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effort to bring help council, in an effort to bring help to civilians in gaza. the head of hamas arrives in egypt for talks as pressure mounts for a pause in the fighting. colorado's top court ruled that donald trump cannot run for president in the state. he says he will appeal to the us supreme court. uk inflation falls to 3.9%, the lowest rate in more than two years. and the european union reaches a breakthrough deal on new migration rules after years of failed talks. hello, i'm samantha simmons, a warm welcome to verified live, three hours of breaking stories and checking out the truth behind them. hopes are arriving of a temporary pause in the fighting in gaza, with a series of diplomatic initiatives under way. a vote is expected on a new security so council resolution
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shortly. the text calls for extended humanitarian pauses and aid corridors. the leader of hamas, ismail haniyeh, has arrived in cairo for talks on a freshly five. israel's president has said his country is ready for what he calls another humanitarian pause. nearly 20,000 people are now reported to have been killed in gaza. 1200 people were killed and 240 taken hostage when hamas attacked israel on the 7th of october. i mentioned the un security council. a text has been released on the war in gaza to been released on the war in gaza to be put to the security guards are in the next few hours. the draft is very long but their key section talks of extended humanitarian pauses and corridors throughout the gaza strip for a sufficient number of days to enable full, rapid, safe
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and unhindered humanitarian access. it remains to be seen if the wording is now acceptable to the united states. for more on this let's speak to our correspondent who is in the un. this has been delayed now for two days, this is the third day that a resolution has been tried to be agreed upon. take us through what we understand the wedding looks like and your assessment of whether it will be acceptable to the us? i think that it's important to note that this vote was originally scheduled for sunday, although diplomats knew they would need more time. how much time they needed wasn't clear until now. despite numerous delays to try to get the united states on board to avoid a us veto, diplomats say we are now headed likely for a third us veto. in these last few weeks, in the
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israel hamas war. the united states was concerned about some of the language about a cessation of hostilities and the draft was watered down to call for a suspension of hostilities. it seems that the breaking point was over the calls in this revolution to establish a un mechanism to establish a un mechanism to establish aid in gaza —— this ref solution. the us was not on board with that call and is likely to block this resolution. i have seen the optimism from diplomats start to wane yesterday as this vote got further and further pushed and i am told there is a mixture of frustration, anger and sadness that the security council is likely to be in a position again to have another failed resolution. we in a position again to have another failed resolution.— failed resolution. we will be back with ou if failed resolution. we will be back with you if there _ failed resolution. we will be back with you if there are _ failed resolution. we will be back with you if there are any -
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failed resolution. we will be back with you if there are any other. with you if there are any other developments. i spoke earlier about the head of hamas visiting egypt for talks on a fresh ceasefire. 0ur middle east correspondent, yolande kneu middle east correspondent, yolande knell is injerusalem. we middle east correspondent, yolande knell is in jerusalem._ knell is in jerusalem. we know that the presence _ knell is in jerusalem. we know that the presence of _ knell is in jerusalem. we know that the presence of ismail _ knell is in jerusalem. we know that the presence of ismail haniyeh - knell is in jerusalem. we know that the presence of ismail haniyeh in l the presence of ismail haniyeh in egypt indicates a level of seriousness. he is going to meet meeting the egyptian intelligence chief who handed the gaza file and we understand there will be discussions around the possibility of a short turn ceasefire that would see more israeli hostages being released. hamas has said it will not accept anything less then a permanent ceasefire before it releases those hostages. this will require a change in her mass back, stated position. their intense efforts under way by egypt and qatar to try to get a new in fighting. for
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families of— to try to get a new in fighting. for families of the hostages taken by hamas, securing their releases the number one priority. this man were taken on october the 7th and remains in captivity in gaza. we taken on october the 7th and remains in captivity in gaza.— in captivity in gaza. we expected the israel government _ in captivity in gaza. we expected the israel government to - in captivity in gaza. we expected the israel government to do - in captivity in gaza. we expected - the israel government to do whatever they can to release him and all the other hostages. to keep releasing them is priority number one for everyone in israel. it is the number—one task the world. everyone in israel. it is the number-one task the world. joining me now number-one task the world. joining me new from _ number-one task the world. joining me now from tel— number-one task the world. joining me now from tel aviv _ number-one task the world. joining me now from tel aviv is _ number-one task the world. joining me now from tel aviv is an - number-one task the world. joining me now from tel aviv is an israeli l me now from tel aviv is an israeli political analyst. thanks you for being with us. i would like you to reflect on what is happening in the un shortly. we are expecting a vote on a new un resolution. it is unclear whether the un will back it or abstain or veto it. what is the
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view there in israel about what could be agreed at the un? how much weight doesn't havei have to say israel is in general are pretty sceptical of the is international community and organisations. these kind of resolutions, _ community and organisations. these kind of resolutions, israel— community and organisations. these kind of resolutions, israel in - kind of resolutions, israel in general, leaders and the public, expect the united states to come to israel's side. it is hard to know exactly what the expectations are because it has not been dominating the new cycle today. my general assessment would be that israelis are sceptical of what kind of power those resolutions have and expect the united states to agree with what israel decided. it is worth noting the language has been watered down numerous times and so clearly israel would not be getting the most severe kind of language that it would be concerned about, there have been
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indications from the israeli side that they are prepared to renew some kind of humanitarian pause. so it is a bit hard to say until it actually happens. let's say the israeli public is sceptical of international resolutions.— public is sceptical of international resolutions. .,., ., ., ., , resolutions. two and a half months into this war _ resolutions. two and a half months into this war and _ resolutions. two and a half months into this war and more _ resolutions. two and a half months into this war and more than - resolutions. two and a half months into this war and more than a - into this war and more than a hundred hostages remaining in captivity, what is the mood among the israeli public?— the israeli public? clearly everybody _ the israeli public? clearly everybody is _ the israeli public? clearly everybody is very - the israeli public? clearly| everybody is very invested the israeli public? clearly. everybody is very invested in getting the hostages release. what that means is divisive. we have seen demonstrations and significant demonstrations and significant demonstrations after the painful incident on friday evening of three hostages who were killed by israeli forces after they had broken loose in gaza. you saw a major groundswell of public calls for the government to negotiate some sort of release of hostages, which would involve a sea
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fire. at the same time, into railings are in a combative mood and think the government needs to continue the war and is behind the government aims. there is great scepticism around the actual aim is and what they are and whether the government has a clear plan. about what happens during and after this war. israelis are essentially behind the war, but feeling deep uncertainty about whether it will achieve the aim of releasing the hostages or lead to longer term stability. these are deep contradictions in how israelis are feeling. overall there is a strong feeling. overall there is a strong feeling of shock and trauma. the public itself is having a hard time answering questions about anything detailed for the long term.
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some breaking news to bring you, a boy and a girl both age 16 have been found guilty of the murder of a trans teenager in cheshire. 16—year—olds was stabbed in a park near warrington in february. the boy and girl cannot be named for legal reasons. let's go straight to manchester crown court. we usually assume it has _ manchester crown court. we usually assume it has been _ manchester crown court. we usually assume it has been done _ manchester crown court. we usually assume it has been done in - manchester crown court. we usually assume it has been done in the - assume it has been done in the middle of the night in a remote area but this was a horrific crime. it was a 16—year—old girl who was stabbed 28 times in a park in broad daylight. broad daylight as it is now. in a park, surrounded by dog walkers and people out walking at the weekend. the boy and a girl who have both been convicted, werejust 15 years old. they were children when they carried this out. their
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two children lowered breanna into the park and stabbed her 28 times. their defence for both the boy and the girl was very simple, they said it wasn't me, it was the other one. thejudge at it wasn't me, it was the other one. the judge at manchester crown court told the jury when they were sent out, they don't have to decide exactly what happened or why. the jury exactly what happened or why. the jury tookjust four exactly what happened or why. the jury took just four hours exactly what happened or why. the jury tookjust four hours and 40 minutes before it came back a few minutes before it came back a few minutes ago to find both defendants guilty. they were 15 years old then and are 16 years old now. the boy has been diagnosed with autism. in the last year he has passed eight gcses and is studying for his a—levels. the girl has milder traits of autism and adhd. neither of them can be named and have been known as x and y throughout the court case, simply because of their age and they can't be identified. there is a
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court ruling in place. the boy denied disliking gay and trans people, did not have any feelings towards the victim because she was transgender. the girl admitted having the boy's contact details saved in her phone as the name of an assassin in a film. the girl denied it was an assassin. she had download an app on the internet to view torture videos and used it to search for things like that. she said she found the personalities of serial killers interesting. the two were said to have been involved in a long—running fantasy about killing people. they said it was simply a fantasy. the boy said he did not know it was illegal to carry a knife around. he bought one on holiday, but it was the knife used in the murder. when the gods house was
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searched by police, they found a planning note for the murder. —— when the girl's house was searched. 1pm walked down to library, wait until she gets bass. walk to the park. there continues. i say codeword two x, he stabbed her in the back. we both cover up the area with logs. when the two of them carried out the attack. we don't know which one actually carried out the murder, both have been convicted today. instead of either of them helping the girl, they both ran off, past dog walkers who spotted them and who helped with the conviction today. the boy admitted taking the knife to the park and said he gave it to the girl and she did the stabbing. the girl said she had gone for a walk, turned round and saw the boy carry out the stabbing. in the
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end to thejury boy carry out the stabbing. in the end to the jury it didn't matter, they are both convicted today. they will be sentenced at a later date. the details that you have been telling us today are so disturbing. the jury didn't need very long. they didn't take very long in their deliberations.— didn't take very long in their deliberations. ., ., , :: , deliberations. four hours 40 minutes is not a long — deliberations. four hours 40 minutes is not a long time. _ deliberations. four hours 40 minutes is not a long time. it _ deliberations. four hours 40 minutes is not a long time. it was _ deliberations. four hours 40 minutes is not a long time. it was a _ is not a long time. it was a three—week trial. the judge was very clear in the instructions and the guidance that she gave to the jury. she said they didn't have to work out exactly what happened, they didn't need to find out who had carried out the stabbing. both of them were there and had planned it in text messages for days beforehand. they had carried out the murder and then they carried on with the text messages afterwards. we heard that the girl, known as x,
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that's the only way she can be identified. she even carried on texting the victim after the murder had taken place, trying to offset the blame from her and put it on to other people. this was never... although the victim was transgender, transgender played no part in it for the simple reason that when police look through mobile phone records of both x and y, they found references to someone else they were planning to someone else they were planning to kill. it didn't matter to them who it was. they were determined to kill someone and that's what they did. . ., , ,., kill someone and that's what they did. our correspondent has some background _ did. our correspondent has some background to — did. our correspondent has some background to this _ did. our correspondent has some background to this case - did. our correspondent has some background to this case and - did. our correspondent has some background to this case and i - did. our correspondent has some i background to this case and i should warn you it contains six this dressing details. her
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warn you it contains six this dressing details.— dressing details. her family describe her _ dressing details. her family describe her as _ dressing details. her family describe her as a _ dressing details. her family describe her as a ball - dressing details. her family describe her as a ball of - dressing details. her family - describe her as a ball of energy. the 16—year—old was also transgender, although they say that did not define her. she transgender, although they say that did not define her.— did not define her. she was fearless. — did not define her. she was fearless, she _ did not define her. she was fearless, she wanted - did not define her. she was fearless, she wanted to - did not define her. she was - fearless, she wanted to identify as a female _ fearless, she wanted to identify as a female and where goat's school uniform _ a female and where goat's school uniform and she just did it. it wasn't — uniform and she just did it. it wasn't a _ uniform and she just did it. it wasn't a hurdle for her. not everyone — wasn't a hurdle for her. not everyone wished _ wasn't a hurdle for her. iifrit everyone wished her well. she was targeted as a murder victim for 2d teenagers who plan to stab her in the back and the stomach. she was lowered from her home, she thought she was going to meet her friend, but when she got off this bus the girl had brought a boy of the same age along. the group ended up at this park near warrington. it was the middle of saturday afternoon, broad daylight with lots of people walking their dogs. they saw the teenagers walking along this path and hanging around some steps. the exact detail of what happened next
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is where accounts differed in court. the boy said he left the other sitting on the bench and then went to the toilet be signed some trees when he saw the girl stabbing the victim. she said she went to stretch her legs and it was the boy who knifed her. the teenagers ran off across these fields leaving the victim with 28 stab wounds. her mum came home to find police and her street. i came home to find police and her street. ., ., , street. i 'oke and said that if she doesnt street. ijoke and said that if she doesn't come — street. ijoke and said that if she doesn't come home _ street. ijoke and said that if she doesn't come home soon - street. ijoke and said that if she doesn't come home soon i - street. ijoke and said that if she doesn't come home soon i will. doesn't come home soon i will have to ring _ doesn't come home soon i will have to ring the — doesn't come home soon i will have to ring the police. i got to the front— to ring the police. i got to the front door— to ring the police. i got to the front door and it was open and there were two— front door and it was open and there were two policemen stood in the house _ were two policemen stood in the house. they said they had found a body _ house. they said they had found a body i_ house. they said they had found a body. i rememberthe house. they said they had found a body. i remember the first thing i said was— body. i remember the first thing i said was that i knew that something was going _ said was that i knew that something was going to happen. the said was that i knew that something was going to happen.— was going to happen. the identities ofthe was going to happen. the identities of the children _ was going to happen. the identities of the children have _ was going to happen. the identities of the children have been _ was going to happen. the identities of the children have been protectedj of the children have been protected during the trial due to their age. they heard disturbing detail with
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their fascination with subjects like torture. their fascination with sub'ects like torture. , , ., torture. they were quite depraved in terms of the — torture. they were quite depraved in terms of the conversation _ torture. they were quite depraved in terms of the conversation they - torture. they were quite depraved in terms of the conversation they were | terms of the conversation they were having _ terms of the conversation they were having it _ terms of the conversation they were having. it was her accessibility that led — having. it was her accessibility that led to her being a victim on that led to her being a victim on that day — that led to her being a victim on that day. we believe there were others _ that day. we believe there were others who were possible victims. the lgbtq+ community mourned her and other victims. the case was not built around that has a motive. there was never any evidence of her being _ there was never any evidence of her being bullied — there was never any evidence of her being bullied in _ there was never any evidence of her being bullied in school— there was never any evidence of her being bullied in school or— there was never any evidence of her being bullied in school or out- there was never any evidence of her being bullied in school or out of- being bullied in school or out of schooi~ — being bullied in school or out of schooi~ she _ being bullied in school or out of school. she was _ being bullied in school or out of school. she was able _ being bullied in school or out of school. she was able to - being bullied in school or out of school. she was able to give . being bullied in school or out of- school. she was able to give as good as she _ school. she was able to give as good as she got _ school. she was able to give as good as she got i— school. she was able to give as good as she got. i think— school. she was able to give as good as she got. i think what _ school. she was able to give as good as she got. i think what was - school. she was able to give as good as she got. i think what was really i as she got. i think what was really hard _ as she got. i think what was really hard was — as she got. i think what was really hard was that _ as she got. i think what was really hard was that she _ as she got. i think what was really hard was that she was _ as she got. i think what was really hard was that she was pro—trade l as she got. i think what was reallyl hard was that she was pro—trade in the media — hard was that she was pro—trade in the media as — hard was that she was pro—trade in the media as a _ hard was that she was pro—trade in the media as a victim. _ hard was that she was pro—trade in the media as a victim. she - hard was that she was pro—trade in the media as a victim. she didn't l the media as a victim. she didn't live her_ the media as a victim. she didn't live her life — the media as a victim. she didn't live her life in _ the media as a victim. she didn't live her life in the _ the media as a victim. she didn't live her life in the victim - the media as a victim. she didn't live her life in the victim she - the media as a victim. she didn't live her life in the victim she was a loud _ live her life in the victim she was a loud and — live her life in the victim she was a loud and proud _ live her life in the victim she was a loud and proud and _ live her life in the victim she was a loud and proud and confident l live her life in the victim she was| a loud and proud and confident in who she — a loud and proud and confident in
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who she was _ a loud and proud and confident in who she was. her— a loud and proud and confident in who she was-— who she was. her family say that ositivi who she was. her family say that positivity is _ who she was. her family say that positivity is what _ who she was. her family say that positivity is what they _ who she was. her family say that positivity is what they want - who she was. her family say that positivity is what they want her i who she was. her family say that | positivity is what they want her to be remembered for, for her to be happy and the world to remember her as the life for she was. let’s happy and the world to remember her as the life for she was.— as the life for she was. let's go back to nick — as the life for she was. let's go back to nick at _ as the life for she was. let's go back to nick at manchester - as the life for she was. let's go l back to nick at manchester crown court. you have a statement from manchester prosecution service. in court there was no reaction from either of the children, but one of the parents gasped and had to be consoled. the crown prosecution service has given a statement. they said it was one of the most distressing cases that the cps has had to deal with. she was subjected to a frenzied and ferocious attack and was stabbed 28 times in broad daylight in a public park. girl x and boy why appear to have been a
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deadly influence on each other and turned what may have started out as dark fantasies about murder into a reality. the pages of whatsapp messages between the two, planning and plotting to kill people, talking of murder, torture and cruelty were very difficult to read. the message goes on. the messages provided a terrifying insight into the minds of the two defendants. they also provided us with detail of the planning of the attack and attempts to cover it up. the cps authorised a charge of murderfor to cover it up. the cps authorised a charge of murder for both defendants. they were both equally responsible in planning and carrying out the killing. in the trial, the defendants tried to blame each other to absolve themselves. the jury has seen that for the lies it was. this has been a difficult prosecution because two very young people were on trial for the most serial offence no to criminal law. it used a number
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of measures to ensure the defendants could participate fully. the statement thanks the family of the victim for the courage and dignity they have shown throughout the proceedings. we hope today's verdict brings some solace. there was talk in the statement of the special measures put in place to make this an accessible court case for the two young people. there were frequent breaks, every 40 minutes or hour of the trial. they were allowed a short break. it was explain to them what was going on. one of the defendants has adhd and the other has levels of autism. that was taken into account as well by the prosecution and defence and the judge, to as well by the prosecution and defence and thejudge, to make as well by the prosecution and defence and the judge, to make sure this was is there a process as
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possible. if this was is there a process as possible-— possible. if there are any statements _ possible. if there are any statements from - possible. if there are any statements from the - possible. if there are any l statements from the police possible. if there are any - statements from the police or the family, we will go back to it. now, a man who murdered his former partner in 2012 has been jailed for life with a minimum turn of 20 years. he killed his partner in a drunken argument after she left a city centre pub. her body has never been found. clay holland was 22 when she went missing. she disappeared in june 2012. there was no trace of her. untilfouryears june 2012. there was no trace of her. untilfour years ago. the police got a call, confessing to the worst of crimes. i police got a call, confessing to the worst of crimes.— police got a call, confessing to the worst of crimes. i am handing myself in. worst of crimes. i am handing myself in- handing — worst of crimes. i am handing myself in. handing herself— worst of crimes. i am handing myself in. handing herself in _ worst of crimes. i am handing myself in. handing herself in for— worst of crimes. i am handing myself in. handing herself in for what - worst of crimes. i am handing myself in. handing herself in for what it's i in. handing herself in for what it's
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murder. officers _ in. handing herself in for what it's murder. officers arrested - in. handing herself in for what it's murder. officers arrested to i in. handing herself in for what it's murder. officers arrested to him i in. handing herself in for what it's i murder. officers arrested to him but he later retracted _ murder. officers arrested to him but he later retracted his _ murder. officers arrested to him but he later retracted his admission, i he later retracted his admission, saying he had been drunk and suicidal. so began an extraordinary operation. an undercover officer moved on to his road, befriended him and earned his trust, whilst recording him. he said he blamed claire for their son being taken into care and that he had killed her, cut up her body and dumped her in the severn estuary. she left this pub at around closing time, on her way to meet darren. there was no trace of her, no record sense. the prosecution had to show without a body that claire was dead and that darren was responsible. thejury found him guilty of murder and he will now be heading to prison. claire's family finally have some
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answers about what happened to her but they still don't have her body. claire holland's sister spoke a short time about her sister and the impact her murder has had. tote short time about her sister and the impact her murder has had. we will forever miss _ impact her murder has had. we will forever miss her _ impact her murder has had. we will forever miss her happy, _ impact her murder has had. we will forever miss her happy, warm i impact her murder has had. we will forever miss her happy, warm and i forever miss her happy, warm and friendly personality. she loved her children wholeheartedly. she would have continued to live a meaningful life with the support of her family. instead, she has been denied the right to live. she has missed numerous significant family events including seeing herfamily being brought into the world or sharing the last moments with others who have passed away. during the trial we have been sickened to hear how claire's life was cruelly taken from us. her death was totally senseless and completely unjustified. we have learned how one person called 999 in the summer of 2019 and confessed to having killed her. the same person
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retracted this and then continually denied being responsible for ending her life. we have this in two weeks of painful evidence. claire's character was openly attacked but she was not there to defend herself. during evidence we had to sit silently while hearing how the same person had used the most vile and obscene language to describe her. despite all this, we do not know the full details of what happened to claire. her body has never been found. the person who took her life has continued coolness as agony. we continue to suffer because of this failure to tell us about her final moments. her death is indefensible. we have been haunted by not being able to see how one final time. she deserves to be given a place to rest where we can honour and respect her memory. where we can honour and respect her memo . ., ., , . where we can honour and respect her memo . .,., , . memory. two other news which has broken in the _ memory. two other news which has broken in the last _ memory. two other news which has broken in the last hour _ memory. two other news which has broken in the last hour or— memory. two other news which has broken in the last hour or so. i memory. two other news which has broken in the last hour or so. the i broken in the last hour or so. the irish government has decided to take
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a case against the uk in the european court of human rights to challenge the way that. it came law in september despite opposition in dublin. ireland is taking the uk to court, the you court on human rights because it says britain has breached its international legal obligations in this legislation. it changes the way that killings from the conflict in northern ireland are investigated. the trouble is lasted for about 30 years, to the late 19905. for about 30 years, to the late 1990s. more than three and a half thousand people died. it's will take over all investigations related to the troubles and the most controversial aspect is that
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legislation provides for a conditional amnesty for suspects, former paramilitaries and members of the state forces who cooperate with the state forces who cooperate with the commission. the irish government is opposed to this prep approach. most campaign groups are also opposed, so too are all northern ireland political parties. they say it's not in keeping with the basic principles ofjustice. the uk government has previously said that the chances of successful prosecutions going through the courts now are vanishingly small, because so much time has passed. focusing on an information gathering process is the best opportunity to get the truth to families who want it. it has been highly controversial. the irish government has been mulling over this issue for the last three months, taking legal advice and now it has announced that
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it will be taking an interstate case in the european court i human rights. the irish foreign minister says he regrets things have reached this stage. he says there is no more political solution now this legislation has become law. the legal rate is the only one open to the irish government. in response to the court of session ruling that the uk government acted lawfully when it blocked controversial changes to gender laws in scotland. we will go to that as soon as it gets under way. meanwhile, the rate at which prices are rising fell again last month. inflation was down to 3.9% in november. the office for national statistics said the drop has been driven by falls in the cost of fuels
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and full food. prices remain substantially above what they were before the russian invasion of ukraine. things are rising —— aunts rising as they used to. close all furniture, inflation pressures are easing. some things are still much more expensive.— more expensive. inflation is killing us. takin: more expensive. inflation is killing us- taking the _ more expensive. inflation is killing us. taking the heat _ more expensive. inflation is killing us. taking the heat out _ more expensive. inflation is killing us. taking the heat out of - more expensive. inflation is killing us. taking the heat out of high i more expensive. inflation is killing | us. taking the heat out of high food costs is difficult. _ us. taking the heat out of high food costs is difficult. shopping - us. taking the heat out of high food costs is difficult. shopping around l costs is difficult. shopping around for ingredients.— for ingredients. prices are so up and down _ for ingredients. prices are so up and down at _ for ingredients. prices are so up and down at the _ for ingredients. prices are so up and down at the moment. if- for ingredients. prices are so up and down at the moment. if it's| and down at the moment. if it's possible for us we will order it, if not then we shop around. i go in the morning to preston, do the shopping or go to the supermarket, because sometimes the veg is cheaper. stiii sometimes the veg is cheaper. still 996 hither sometimes the veg is cheaper. still 9% higher than
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sometimes the veg is cheaper. still 9% higherthan a sometimes the veg is cheaper. still 9% higher than a year ago. services still 6% more expensive. overall inflation at 3.9% still almost double what the bank of england wants to see. but all of those are easing more quickly than the bank expected. what does that mean for its earlier warning that rates may not come down soon? that its earlier warning that rates may not come down soon?— its earlier warning that rates may not come down soon? that last mile in caettin not come down soon? that last mile in getting inflation _ not come down soon? that last mile in getting inflation down _ not come down soon? that last mile in getting inflation down might i not come down soon? that last mile in getting inflation down might not l in getting inflation down might not be quite as difficult as the bank of england thinks. but we will need a couple moments of big data to see that happen. if it does we may see interest rates come down in the spring. ih interest rates come down in the s-urin. ., ., , spring. in the meantime it remains challenging — spring. in the meantime it remains challenging for— spring. in the meantime it remains challenging for households, - spring. in the meantime it remains challenging for households, which | challenging for households, which the chancellor acknowledged. the onl wa the chancellor acknowledged. the only way we _ the chancellor acknowledged. the only way we can make things better for families who are working hard and feeling they are in a cost of living _ and feeling they are in a cost of living crisis— and feeling they are in a cost of living crisis that they haven't seen for many— living crisis that they haven't seen for many years, is to get the economy— for many years, is to get the economy growing sustainably. that means _ economy growing sustainably. that means you — economy growing sustainably. that means you have to bring down
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inflation — means you have to bring down inflation. �* , ., ., ., inflation. any fall in inflation will be welcome _ inflation. any fall in inflation will be welcome news i inflation. any fall in inflation will be welcome news for i inflation. any fall in inflation i will be welcome news for families, giving _ will be welcome news for families, giving the — will be welcome news for families, giving the cost _ will be welcome news for families, giving the cost of _ will be welcome news for families, giving the cost of living _ will be welcome news for families, giving the cost of living crisis i giving the cost of living crisis they— giving the cost of living crisis they are _ giving the cost of living crisis they are experiencing - giving the cost of living crisis they are experiencing at i giving the cost of living crisis they are experiencing at the i giving the cost of living crisis - they are experiencing at the moment going _ they are experiencing at the moment going into _ they are experiencing at the moment going into christmas _ they are experiencing at the moment going into christmas prices _ they are experiencing at the moment going into christmas prices are - going into christmas prices are still rising _ going into christmas prices are still rising. when _ going into christmas prices are still rising. when people - going into christmas prices are still rising. when people go. going into christmas prices are still rising. when people go to| going into christmas prices are i still rising. when people go to the shops— still rising. when people go to the shops they— still rising. when people go to the shops they will _ still rising. when people go to the shops they will find _ still rising. when people go to the shops they will find there - still rising. when people go to the shops they will find there are i shops they will find there are things— shops they will find there are things they— shops they will find there are things they can't _ shops they will find there are things they can't afford. i shops they will find there are things they can't afford. thel things they can't afford. the ministerial _ things they can't afford. ministerial statement that things they can't afford.- ministerial statement that i mentioned in holyrood is getting under way now. flat mentioned in holyrood is getting under way now.— mentioned in holyrood is getting underwa now. ., ., under way now. not everyone agreed with the bell, — under way now. not everyone agreed with the bell, some _ under way now. not everyone agreed with the bell, some strongly - under way now. not everyone agreed| with the bell, some strongly opposed it they voted to pass the bill with all members of all parties voting in favour, but within four weeks scottish ministers petition for judicial review. it undermined hollywood's democratic well and by extension the will of the people we are here to represent. let me be
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