tv Influential with Katty Kay BBC News December 31, 2023 3:30am-4:01am GMT
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this is so lovely. thank you for having us here. this is wonderful. this is... this is your work. i live right next—door. this is your store. and this is my office. yeah. so the house is just there. you have a very short commute. a very short commute. sometimes the rabbits get in the way, but, you know, usually it's fairly... fairly traffic free. i feel like i know the space because i've watched so many videos. you don't have any sense of the scale. you don't. when i first told jeffrey i was going to build a kitchen here, i think he imagined, like, a little kitchen. and he kept seeing this thing go up and up and up. and he was like, "what are you building here?!" is it a pleasure to cook in here still? oh, it's just wonderful! and i actually think good architecture makes you better at whatever you're doing. i walk in every day and i think, "i can't believe i get to work here." and itjust makes me like show up more. you feel happy being in this space. i can see that. and i'm actually quite... when i cook, i'm quite manic about cleaning up as i go along, unlike my husband, who leaves a sort of
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minor nuclear disaster. that's me! iam... how can you cook like that? ..a total disaster. and then ijust throw everything in the sink and it's a big pile of dishes. and then wejust... we work our way through it. by the way, you have so many cookbooks. i have a few. out of the corner of my eye... i collect cookbooks, but nothing like on the scale that you do. i'm obsessive. can we have a peek? can we have a look? come on. i love that. this is my collection of things that i use almost all the time. if i'm looking for... like, what would a good french bavette, like a flank steak be? i'll just start looking in french cookbooks and just say, "oh, that's interesting. "julia child would do this and patricia wells would do "that," and just kind of collect information for myself and then i'll put them all away and just start cooking. and you still refer to cookbooks? i do. yeah, i do. yeah. i mean, there are so many great cookbooks. why not? ok, let's go and sit. so, we're going to have a drink. yes.
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thank you. i've made some watermelon lemonade. yum! i'm working on it for my next book, so it's a process. so am i a guinea pig? you're a guinea pig? exactly. this smell... this is from the garden? it's from the garden. yeah. so what have we got? so we've got watermelon lemonade, a little strawberry in it... mm—hm. ..and poured over ice. how easy is that? i'm thinking i can do this. do you think i have enough mint here? ithink... ithink we... we could just grow a mint bush in there. 0h, cheers! so happy to see you. thank you so much for having us. that's great. i can taste the strawberry. i'm surprised that i can taste the strawberry, too. not bad. and what i'm always looking for is layers of flavour. not too many layers, but that you can taste them all the same way. the watermelon, the lemon and the strawberry. you get the watermelon first. and then the lemon. which is what i want. and the hint of strawberry. a hint of strawberry. right. and then a smell of mint.
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and the smell of mint. and it looks beautiful, too. how would it be with a shot of vodka in it? i happen to know! and it's delicious! 0k, afterfilming, guys, when we are no longer on public television, we hit it... a little slosh might fall in there. i'm wondering if it's a little thick. i might like it a little thinner. it's... it's slightly slurpee—ish. i'm going to try something. so what would you do? add a bit more lemonade? add a little more water. no, definitely don't want more lemon. let me get some water. we're testing recipes while we go here. you know what you could do? what? would you ever put a tiny bit of soda water in it? that's a good idea. or not? shall we do that? look at that! i helped. i've got katty kay testing recipes for me. that's something i'm going to take home, that i encouraged ina garten to change a recipe, and she listened. if it's bad, i'm taking no responsibility, by the way. that's a great idea. i like that. this is a very at home kitchen. ifeel very at home in here. slosh it around.
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yeah. 0k. actually, i like the colour better. it's a little lighter pink. not a bad idea. that's perfect. mine is perfect now. refreshing. and i like the bit of soda water. it's a little more refreshing. and that's how i develop recipes. do i get a small credit? yes, exactly! that's nice. mm! not bad. more than not bad. good! right, let's go and sit. 0k. when you look at everything you've done and how your career as a... i don't even know how to describe you. and i hate that phrase "celebrity chef", so i'm not going to use that. first, i'm not a chef. i'm a home cook. you're a home cook. but... so, what would you say your influence has been? if you've been... you are incredibly influential. why? what is it?
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well, thank you. i don't know that i am, but you know what i love? i love when i walk down the street and somebody leans in and says, "you taught me how to cook. "thank you." and that to me isjust... itjust gives my life meaning that i never expected to have. i wrote a cookbook, thinking i would... i was trying to figure out what i was going to do next after i had speciality a food store, but ijust didn't have anything to do. ithought, "well, i'll write a cookbook while i figure it "out." i had no idea that's what i was going to be doing. so it's kind of like my life. you'vejust got tojump in the pond, splash around and do something, and you never know where it's going to lead to. and that it led to a place where the wayjulia child taught me how to cook, i've been able to teach other people how to cook. it's just a great pleasure. it's extraordinary. and there's something about you, i think, and you've described it as, particularly because all your instagram followers are younger, many of them are younger. it's a huge range, isn't it? a huge range of people. i mean, you've got older people, i'm sure, watching your
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shows from the food network from years ago. when i mention the people i'm interviewing for this show, it's always the young people who said, "oh, you're interviewing ina garten?" isn't that interesting? i don't think all of them even cook. i mean, people follow you who don't cook, but it's something about you and your persona. i mean, that sounds terribly grandiose, but it is something about your persona that people love. i think it's accessible. it's not like, first carve the pumpkin and then make the pumpkin soup for it. it's like, just make pumpkin soup and it's delicious and people will... it's about taking care of each other. i think we need that. and young people don't have, like, mum in the kitchen any more or grandma in the kitchen any more. so they don't know how to cook. and i think it's just one of life's great pleasures is to cook for people you love, and i think they kind of miss that. did you think, all those years ago, when you were sitting in the white house... no! so you're in... we have to go back here, because you were in the white house, working on nuclear
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energy policy, working in science, obviously, and clearly something was missing. i mean, something drove you to leave. you have this job, that most people would die for, a job in energy policy, nuclear energy policy... well, i wouldn't die forajob in... they wouldn't want me in nuclear energy policy... why they wanted me, i don't know. they clearly did! and yet something was missing. i think a lot of things were happening at the same time in my 20s. i kind of wanted to grow up to bejeffrey, and he was in the state department, and worked for kissinger, wrote policy papers. i mean, he was... i'm of a generation where women didn't necessarily go to work. right. so the role models we had were the men that were around us. and so i wanted to bejeffrey. and when i was offered this job in the white house, ithought, "ok, this is what i want to do." but then i hit 30 and ijust thought, "this isn't me, "this is jeffrey." and i love to cook. i love to renovate old houses. i love the creative stuff. and i was doing that as soon as i got home,
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but i wasn't doing it in my work, and i saw an ad for a business for sale and it was a specialty food store. and i came home and i said tojeffrey, "that's "what i want to do." and i think we all need one person to just believe in us. and he said, "let's go look at it." so you threw it in and bought the barefoot contessa and you worked in that insanely hard? insanely. i mean, the white house must have felt like a breeze by comparison. insanely hard. but i loved it. iwould... i'd start at 5:00 in the morning. i'd arrive when the bread bakers were arriving and then i would work in the store all day. then i would do catering at night. i'd do like five parties at night. i'd come home at midnight, or two in the morning, and then i'd do it all over again the next day. and ijust loved the energy of it. i loved the creativity and i loved that it was mine. i loved that instead of $25 billion subjects like, you know, nuclear power plants, it was $25, but it was my $25. did you...
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i know what it's like, that whole washington scene, because i live in washington, and kind of know lots of people that work in the white house. it takes quite a lot of courage and self—awareness to say this is not for me because it's like a kind of... it sucks you in, that world, where your identity is defined by "i work in the white house and i have a badge and i can "get into the white house and i'm important..." a clearance for nuclear energy. "i have a clearance and i'm terribly important. and then to say, "actually, i'm going to go and run a shop "in the hamptons." and that takes quite a lot of self—confidence. well, let's just say my parents thought i was crazy, and they did everything possible to convince me not to do it. butjeffrey was there going, "do what you love, "if you love "it, you'll be really good at it." you got married at the age of 20, which is young. yeah. even back then, it was... even then, it was young. but you also made a decision, which is not very traditional, which was not to have children. mm. and you made that decision young, too.
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talk about that a little bit. you knew you wanted to get married, but you didn't want children. did you know you couldn't do what you wanted to do if you had them? i think it's much harder. yeah. i don't think that's why i made the decision. i'm actually writing a memoir now and i'm kind of looking back at my childhood. it was nothing i wanted to recreate. right. and it's so interesting to look... i'm always looking forward, to look back and realise a lot of my decisions were based on my childhood. and so i think that was really the motivating factor. and jeffrey and i were just so happy together. you make very bold choices. everybody wants to know, "where am i going to end up?" forget where you're going to end up. you don't know where you're going to end up. all you know is that if you jump in a pond and you splash around, while you're there, you're going to look around and go, "oh, that's really "interesting over there. "i think i'll follow it there," and see where it brings you. somebody described it to me once that if you're in a stream and you keep knocking against the riverbanks you're in the wrong stream.
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what you want to do is be in a stream where the stream carries you along. and so i think it's i'm always trying to find where that stream is, where it's going to carry me along. i don't know if you felt this. i felt it in my 20s that i was in a terrible rush. yeah. and that i had to do... oh, my god, you know, and actually, i remember the first time i got pregnant, bursting into tears, thinking, "no—one's ever going to take "me seriously again. "i'm never going to work again. "and that's it. "my career is over." and i wish i could have said to my younger self, "it's ok, take your time. "you've got lots of time". you talked aboutjeffrey and how he's always believed in you, and i know you once said that your mother tried to keep you out of the kitchen. i love the idea that you've made a phenomenal success out of the one thing you were not meant to do! and is there a connection there? probably! i'm 75 years old and i'm still saying, "you can't "tell me what to do." do you still find it hard, cooking? yes, i always find it hard.
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but you make it... so how do you do that? you make it look so easy. and notjust that, you make it look so easy, you make other people believe they can do it in a way that is easy. first, i've simplified a lot of things. i mean, i make it as simple as i can, but, you know, i'm so... i have such a high standard for myself that when, you know, it'sjust like when i have people coming for dinner, the corn is different every single time. you know, it's. .. it's starchier, it's sweeter, depending on the time of the year, whether it's from the farmstand or the grocery store. and i have a flavour in my head that i want everything to taste like and a texture. i'm looking for something specific and i'm miserable until i get there. so i think cooking's hard because i'm hard on myself. right. but, i mean, i keep doing it. and jeffrey, i said to him, "why do i keep doing this? because it's so hard." and he said, "i think if it was easy, "you wouldn't be interested, you'd be bored." you'd be restless. so that really kind of, you know...
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i mean, people think i'm just like throwing things together in the 15 minutes before people are arriving and jeffrey is like chatting away. i'm like, "don't talk to me!" and you still have that, that still slightjumping off a cliff feeling. i have something to show you, ina. we have to move, though. 0k. is that 0k, cameras? are you happy? 0k. wait. some photographs. i don't know... i like the box of coke. this is... this is me in a tent... i know! ..in france. i want the whole story, because every time i've read about this story, it's... i mean, how heaven, a teenage camping trip with the man you love, no money... 0n $5 a day. $5 a day. that's all we had. and we bought a tent. we bought a sleeping bag. we rented a car.
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it was a renault. and the stick shift was on the dashboard and it was red and it rained every single... is that it? that's it. that's it in the background. it rained every single night forfour months that we were on this camping trip. so we would take out the backseat of the car and we'd sleep in the car and i would cook in the car. were you happ ? oh, my god! y i was just so happy. and at the end of the four months, we actually wanted to keep going. and i thought, "oh, this is a good sign for a marriage "that after four months in a tent that was like "this tall, we're still having fun together." this just looks like happiness to me. this one, i know you know this one, but i love it. so, this is the beginning. that was the beginning. that was the first store that i bought. it was 400 square feet. and because i knew nothing, the deal i made with the woman who sold me the store, who was a wonderful teacher, is that she would stay with me for a month and teach me how to cook and slice smoked salmon and tell whether the brie was ripe.
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and i decided i was going to be very creative. and i did all of this new signage, which at the time was very �*60s. this was not how you bought it. no, it was very �*60s to have that...that font and to have the name go straight up. tell me about the name, the barefoot contessa, because originally you didn't like it. the woman who sold me the store was italian, and when she was a little girl, they used to call her the barefoot contessa, which is about... you know, it came from a movie. it's kind of a dark movie, but it has an idea of being elegant and earthy. and when i bought the store, i thought, i don't want to call it the barefoot contessa. it doesn't say food. it doesn't say where it is, it doesn't say who it is. but i didn't know anything about the business, so i thought, i'll wait for a year and then i'll change the name. and then it didn't matter because people would call me the contessa and the store... i think my style really is about being elegant and earthy. ok. we have to talk aboutjeffrey.
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this was jeffrey in the military. he was he was aide to the general in charge of the green berets. he was a paratrooper. i mean, everybody seesjeffrey as this incredibly gentle, sweet guy, which he is, but he's also incredibly smart and really good, a wonderful guy. this is after you were first married and jeffrey was in the military and you were apart for a year. well, he was in the military for four years. one of them, he was in thailand. right. and so, yeah, i was finishing college. and he was... he was in thailand and they said dependents couldn't go to thailand where he was, and i kind of said, "ok." and then at some point after i graduated from college, i thought, well, they can't tell me i can't go to bangkok. so i got myself a flight just by myself. i don't know... you're a rule breaker. i'm definitely a rule breaker. and i got myself a flight to bangkok and he came to bangkok and picked me up and we went to... amazingly, there was
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a dartmouth club... he went to dartmouth, a dartmouth club dinner that night, and we met somebody who said, "just come live with us." so i went and lived with them and i would go back and forth between where jeffrey was in the middle of thailand. and i spent, i think, three or four months there. this is also you and jeffrey and i chose this one because this is your time at... this is how you... this is what you got away from. yeah, that's what i got away from. and, you know, when i worked at the white house, all i wanted to do is have a job where nobody told me what to do, and i could wear sneakers to work. you know, when you get dressed up every day and have to wear stockings and heels... we really did. ..and silk blouses and... oh, my god, you got really dressed up. yeah. and ijust wanted to do something where i didn't have to get dressed up anymore. yeah. i did it! we were talking earlier about what people love about you. i think your marriage tojeffrey and your love story with jeffrey. .. oh, thank you. don't you think? i think there's something so... oh, i got very lucky.
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i really did. i think he's incredibly generous. he has this huge heart. he's smart, he's funny, and he really believes in me, which is... and i believe in him. what more could you want? exactly. and he's so much fun. and you have fun together. we just have fun together. and i do think, you know, for generations of young people who are looking, i think they look at you two, and they... that's what we all want. a friend of mine said that any good marriages, each person feels like they get the better deal than the other one. and i think we do feel that way. that's so nice. we're off to the market. how's that? you ready? yeah. let's go. isn't this great? and they grow all their own... everything. do you come at this time of year and just want to buy everything? yeah.
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and i think we are, aren't we? these are the best, they have the best melons, but their corn is just extraordinary. so, the melons look like what i would see in france. yeah. how do you choose a melon? it's very simple. what you don't want to do is press it because you'll... ..you'll give it... it'll have brown spots. 0k. so what you want to do is just...smell it. if it smells like a melon, it's ripe. so that one smells pretty ripe? that one's perfect. perfect. yeah. so would you like some corn? i would love some. let's see. here. hold the bag one sec. everybody always pulls that back, the top. you shouldn't do that. yeah. cut the worms off. how's that? they're the best. the doughnut peaches. have you ever had them? 0h, we'll have to get some. i'll have to try one or two. we'll definitely have to get some. will you hold this? yes. see these, too. you canjust... theyjust smell like peaches. yeah. so when you buy produce and it's got
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a little brown spot on it? yeah? it's because somebody pressed it. oh, that's because somebody�*s pressed it. yeah. so never press it. never press. just smell. just smell it. see, that one... i'm not smelling as much. that's right. yeah. i'm not either. it's the best, this time of year, isn't it, for produce. fabulous. 0k. are we ready? 0k. perfect. look at these tomatoes. smell so good. beautiful. the ones i love are these ones. the ones that are slightly... me, too. yeah. the flavour is so good. aren't they gorgeous? fab! and look at all of that salad. 0h! gorgeous. i don't know how we're going to check out because i have no money at all. does anybody have money? thank you! this is wonderful. we've got people running in with credit cards... i like that. that's very nice. thank you so much. i'm assuming with the corn... this is all for you. oh, thank you. it's a very tiny going home gift.
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and peaches. do you have any advice on the corn? what would you do? i would just put it in a pot of boiling water for like seven minutes. boiling salted water for seven minutes. a bit of butter or not even butter? 0h, definitely butter. butter makes everything better, right? always — butter makes all the difference. will you come back and spend another day with me, please? i would love to. thank you, ina. thank you so much. thank you. i've got to give you back your hat. just wonderful. that was really just the nicest day. thank you. thank you for being so kind and gentle. 0h, don't be silly. thank you for coming. and for all of the tips. i think we shared lots of tips. thank you. thank you so much. bye. it was so good to see you.
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hello. the weather's been continuing to cause some disruption through the final few days of 2023. we've had heavy rain, heavy snow across parts of scotland on saturday. for new year's eve on sunday, still some strong winds and heavy showers, especially in the south and the west. generally, a bit drier and less windy across the northeast of the uk, away from the northern isles — thatis, where we'll have this lingering weather front. but low pressure very much with us, drifting its way gradually eastwards, and there'll be a rash of showers rotating around that area of low pressure, blown in on these brisk west or southwesterly winds. so, the strongest of the winds probably for the southwest of england, the channel isles could be gusting 60mph. similar for the
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northern isles too. 50mph gusts possible through the davis straits, for instance. and plenty of those heavy showers really across southern and western parts of england, wales, northern ireland and southwest scotland. 6 to 10 degrees cooler than recent days. some drier conditions for central parts of scotland, perhaps the east of the pennines and in northern england as well. but if you're planning on heading out to see some fireworks new year's eve, let's look at what the weather is doing around about midnight. and there are still some showers across southern england and wales, but they will, i think, tend to ease a little bit in frequency, so you may miss them. they are still blown in on these fairly brisk winds, though i think most of the showers will be across northern england, perhaps northern ireland as well and a few of them across the northeast of scotland, where they could be wintry, but some clearer and drier weather for central and western scotland as well. so, really is going to be a mixed picture around midnight with a scattering of showers almost anywhere. moving through into the early hours of monday, new year's day, and the winds will start to ease a little bit.
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for most of us, it'll be frost—free but some frost and some icy conditions, particularly if you've got that lying snow across the northeast of scotland. new year's day itself, still some showers around, but they're going to tend to ease for northern ireland, parts of southern scotland, northern england as well, so some drier, brighter, less windy weather for many of us. but heavy rain close to the south coast here just could push in for the likes of the isle of wight, perhaps sussex and kent, for instance, as well. and then, more persistent rain will rattle its way through later on monday into tuesday as well, so a spell of wetter weather, i think, later in the day and more of the same to come over the next week or so. it's still unsettled. further spells of rain. perhaps a little bit cooler and drier towards the end of next week. bye— bye.
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live from washington, this is bbc news. ukraine says more than 120 villages were struck by russia with dozens killed. it comes as the kremlin claims ukraine killed 20 people in a border city and injured more than 100 others. israeli forces push deeper into parts of central and southern gaza as aid agencies say hospitals have been overwhelmed with casualties. and with women's reproductive issues likely to be a key factor in the us 2024 election, we ask what's being done to improve health outcomes for black mothers. i'm helena humphrey.
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good to have you with us. parts of ukraine are again under attack by russian drones after two days of massive aerial assaults by both sides. ukraine's military says its air defence system has been activated in kyiv to repel a russian drone attack. and one person has been killed in kherson by russian shelling. meanwhile, officials in kharkiv say russian strikes hit a hotel and a residential building. 19 people were injured, no deaths have been reported. moscow has been retaliating after ukrainian strikes on the russian border city of belgorod, one of its biggest drone assaults on russian territory since the war began. these pictures show smoke rising above belgorod on saturday. russia says at least 20 people, including three children, were killed in air strikes. more than 100 others were injured. kyiv says only military facilities were targeted. the city is located approximately a0 kilometres north of the border with ukraine, 80 kilometres away from the ukrainian city of kharkiv. it follows friday's massive bombardment of ukraine,
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