following their own imagination, fancy dress is a competition in its own right. on the stage, 180 is the maximum, both players kept hitting them in the succession. cross was good, right here at the highest level, little it was better. he took the set and the lead. —— littler was better. his influence stretches far beyond alexandra palace put in st helens, where he perfected his art, his inspiration is felt most keenly among friends at the academy where he trains. ~ , , , u, , among friends at the academy where he trains. ~ , , , , ., he trains. mesmerising because, oh m cod, i he trains. mesmerising because, oh my god, i know him, _ he trains. mesmerising because, oh my god, i know him, and _ he trains. mesmerising because, oh my god, i know him, and didn't - he trains. mesmerising because, ohl my god, i know him, and didn't know he could do such big things when he was at the academy, i thought it was a normal kid who played darts but now i see him in the world championships.— now i see him in the world championships. now i see him in the world cham--ionshis. ~ , ., , championships. when he gets to be oche and he — championships. when he gets to be oche and he doesn't _ championships. when he gets to be oche and he doesn't feel _ championships. when he gets to be oche and he doesn't feel anything, l oche and he doesn't feel anything, playing _ oche and he doesn't feel anything, playing someone who knows or a stranger— playing someone who knows or a strangerjust gets on with his game. now want_ strangerjust gets on with his game. now want to see three perfect outs? this is how you finish a leg point

of the audacity, the accuracy... keep up, he hasjust won. 6—2, simple, staggeringly simple. so far, no opponent can live with luke littler and there is just one match to come. it terrorised the oceans millions of year ago, and now the skull of a giant sea monster, discovered in dorset, has gone on display for the very first time. the two—metre—long fossil belongs to a pliosaur, one of the most fearsome predators that ever lived. and this computer—generated image shows what it would have looked like. the fossil was discovered — where else — on thejurassic coast in dorset, and has now gone on display nearby for the first time. time for a look at the weather. darren�*s here. hello, the weather is coming down a bit, the winds have dropped but earlier we had a gust of 81 mph at

exeter airport and in the strong winds drove into the south—east where we had a gust of 69 at heathrow. it will take a while longerfor heathrow. it will take a while longer for the flood waters to recede, we had a lot of rain across england and wales and there's a lot of flooding put heaviest rainfall has been in the hills of wales, feeding into the fast responding rivers in the midlands which is why we have 290 flood warnings in england just a short while ago put it this is the radar picture in the past three hours, still reigning in northern england, she was following in the south—west. if i show you where the storm is now, it is now heading into scandinavia. we still have rain draped around that in the north—east of scotland but otherwise clay spells and showers through the night. is not too cold heading into tomorrow's and not as windy tomorrow, not as wet either. still some wet weather in the north—east of scotland where it will be windy for a while and still some strong winds in the channel and the south—west but not as windy

yesterday and generally tomorrow will be a day of sunshine and showers. may be wet weather coming back into more of scotland in the afternoon. but the wind will not be afternoon. but the wind will not be a strong. temperatures around 9—12 , a strong. temperatures around 9—12 , a little bit lower than today but not by much. heading into thursday, probably more sunshine, if you are showers, still some damp weather in the north—east of scotland in that breeze and the chance of some rain heading through the english channel, just clipping the far south—east but otherwise quiet with temperatures a bit lower. low pressure had brought the wet and windy weather for a long time but signs are that things will calm down, high—pressure means it will be drier but

tens of thousands ofjunior doctors in england are set to begin a six—day strike. some campaigners are concerned about the risks it could pose to the vulnerable. we'll speak to a doctor about why they're taking part, and to the nhs confederation about the impact it could have. also tonight: more dead in ukraine, after vladimir putin vowed to intensify attacks. ukraine's capital kyiv and the second largest city kharkiv have come under heavy missile attacks today with at least five killed and more than 100 injured. we ask where the war is heading in 202a? the russians are not able to stick it out, but it means a lot more to them because the stakes are a lot

higher and the fact they think they can win means they are more prepared to persist. with this year almost certain to be an election year in the uk, we'll ask a panel of experts whether issues at home such as crime and justice could sway votes. and 16—year—old luke littler has reached the world darts championship final. we ask former tabletennis champion—turned—author matthew syed whether the innocence of youth can actually be the key to success — in sport and beyond. good evening. it's usually the busiest and hardest time of the year for hospitals and gp surgeries across the country, with flu and winter illnesses adding to existing pressures. but the first week of this new year coincides with the biggest strike in the nhs�*s 75—year history. from 7am tomorrow, junior doctors in england will go on strike for six days — amounting to a continuous walkout of 144 hours. it's over pay, with

the british medical association wanting a 35% pay rise, to make up for what it says have been below—inflation rises since 2008. the government says that's unaffordable and has offered an extra 3% pay rise, on top of 8.8% already given. since the industrial action started, more than a million appointments and treatments have been cancelled. nhs leaders have said this strike will put patients at "serious risk". it's not exactly an ideal start to the new year for the prime minister, when cutting nhs waiting lists is one of his five pledges central to his premiership. kate lamble has more on this. this time last year, rishi sunak was setting out the five priorities he said voters should judge him on, including cutting nhs waiting lists, promising people would get the care they needed more quickly. recently, though, some — including the health secretary — have warned that strikes like those

starting tomorrow could affect whether the government's waiting list target is met. we know winter can be a particularly pressured time for the nhs, especially when both flu and covid are on the rise, because demand and staff sickness can spike. and when some staff are also out on strike, making sure emergency care is still available can mean having to cancel other work like routine operations. just one example — barking, havering and redbridge trust told newsnight they've already cancelled around a quarter of their planned operations during the upcoming strike. so what about waiting lists, then? when rishi sunak made his pledge a year ago, there were just over 6 million people waiting for treatment in england, some for more than one condition. the most recent data shows that has since risen to almost six and a half million. but the government also made specific pledges to focus on those who've been waiting the longest. so let's just take a look at that for a second. lastjanuary, the prime minister said they were on track to eliminate waits of 18 months or more by the spring. that group has reduced significantly, but in recent months,

it's just started to tick up slightly once again. the government also pledged to eliminate waits of over 65 weeks by this coming march. that group, at the top here, has also shrunk. but just five months from the government's deadline, it still accounted for more than 100,000 referrals. and you canjust see it, too, has started increasing. so has an unprecedented year of strikes contributed to these waiting times? i think it's very unlikely that that will be the reason. before the strikes even happened, the waiting list had increased in that previous year by 1.1 million, so the waiting list was growing. we do think the strikes had an impact. up until the latest round of strikes in december, we thought it probably, they would have added about 200,000 to the waiting list, but nowhere near as much as it had grown from the time a pledge was made. to put it in context, the just over 200,000 referrals which the health foundation estimates strike action added to the waiting list last year

is less than 3% of the current total and less than the list has grown since rishi sunak made his pledge. charles�*s team estimate even without the upcoming strikes, the waiting list would still have continued to grow until august this year. and i should say last november, before these latest strikes were even announced, the government rejected the nhs�*s request forjust over £1,000,000,000 to cover their estimate for the cost of the strikes. in return, the nhs announced it was reducing the nationwide target for elective activity, things like operations for those on the waiting list. so the reality of this ambition may have been in question months ago. kate lamble. the department of health has tonight told us: "we know how distressing it is for patients who have had appointments and procedures cancelled, and we have provided £800 million to ensure patients continue to receive the highest quality care this winter and ease pressure on hospitals impacted by industrial action."

joining us live is dr emma runswick, deputy chair of the bma council, a junior doctor herself and also a member of the unite union. but first, matthew taylor, chief executive of the nhs confederation, which represents managers. thank you forjoining us. first, what impact thank you forjoining us. first, what impact do thank you forjoining us. first, what impact do you thank you forjoining us. first, what impact do you think thank you forjoining us. first, what impact do you think these strikes are going to have and can you also convey the severity of this in terms of what you are seeing at the moment?— in terms of what you are seeing at the moment? well, the strikes are auoin to the moment? well, the strikes are going to have _ the moment? well, the strikes are going to have a _ the moment? well, the strikes are going to have a significant - the moment? well, the strikes are going to have a significant impact, | going to have a significant impact, there is no question about that. i have spoken to leaders today and i think the general sense is one of trepidation. we know that in many trusts, rotas are spread very, very thin and that means that if a senior clinician is unable to work because maybe they are sick or called away for optically complex procedure, then we might be in a situation

where we are not able to provide a surface and if it is worse than that i have to declare a critical incident. there are two issues. one is that kind of risk and in relation to that risk, it is really important that the bma on the ground responds positively and quickly if trust leaders tell them they are unable to ensure patient safety. but even if we are able to do that and we hope that we can work with bma colleagues to ensure that, there still will be that knock—on effect on our capacity to perform the balancing act the nhs always has to try to perform, which is on the one hand meeting huge levels of demand at the front door of hospitals in primary care and we have talked about the increase in flu and norovirus and covid, and at the same time making inroads into that huge backlog. that balancing act of meeting demand and making inroads into the backlog, that is a difficult thing to do at the best of times. when strikes are happening, it is almost impossible. aha,

times. when strikes are happening, it is almost impossible.— it is almost impossible. a couple of auestions, it is almost impossible. a couple of questions. the _ it is almost impossible. a couple of questions, the government - it is almost impossible. a couple of questions, the government says i questions, the government says significant contingency measures have been taken to reduce disruption, is that the impression you are getting?— disruption, is that the impression you are getting? well, yes. this has been the life — you are getting? well, yes. this has been the life of— you are getting? well, yes. this has been the life of nhs _ you are getting? well, yes. this has been the life of nhs managers - you are getting? well, yes. this has been the life of nhs managers nowl been the life of nhs managers now for a year because we have been having industrial action for a year. they would prefer to spend that time meeting that demand, making inroads into the backlog. they are having to spend that time rewriting stuff rotas, making contingency plans. so we are pretty good at this. but even those leaders who have been working on this for the last year and have become pretty adept at managing this crisis, albeit it does have those knock—on effects, but even those hardened managers are saying to me that a six day strike in the busiest week of the year for the nhs, we are entering into uncharted territory. and how bad do you think in your mind things could get, what is the worst case scenario?—

worst case scenario? well, it de-ends worst case scenario? well, it depends to _ worst case scenario? well, it depends to an _ worst case scenario? well, it depends to an extent - worst case scenario? well, it depends to an extent on - worst case scenario? well, it - depends to an extent on demand and we know that demand is rising because of blue for example. it will vary from place to place. and that's why it is so important that we don't have national derogation —— flu. the bma has not agreed to national exemptions from the straight, but it has agreed of local trusts are under pressure, they can ask the bma locally —— junior doctors to come back into work to avoid for example a critical incident to be announced, so it is really important bma colleagues do honour that. sometimes, it has been slightly adversarial and a slow process. we need to move quickly when those situations occur to minimise the risk to patients.— risk to patients. and 'ust briefly because i do h risk to patients. and 'ust briefly because i do need _ risk to patients. and just briefly because i do need to _ risk to patients. and just briefly because i do need to speak- risk to patients. and just briefly because i do need to speak to l risk to patients. and just briefly - because i do need to speak to doctor emma runswick, but do you think they will be abiding to that agreement that if there is an emergency situation, they will agree to work? generally speaking, that is what has happened and we are grateful for that. we know that people don't take

industrial action in the nhs slightly, but we are skating on the thinnest ice. so it is even more important than before that the bma locally is responsive to trust leaders if they say.- locally is responsive to trust leaders if they say. locally is responsive to trust leaders if the sa . ., ., leaders if they say. ok. doctor emma runswick, why _ leaders if they say. ok. doctor emma runswick, why are _ leaders if they say. ok. doctor emma runswick, why are you _ leaders if they say. ok. doctor emma runswick, why are you holding - leaders if they say. ok. doctor emma runswick, why are you holding the i runswick, why are you holding the strikes now? you can imagine some people at home watching this thinking it is the busiest time, you have got winter flu and norovirus, the stats show it is rising and the vulnerable are feeling even more vulnerable. vulnerable are feeling even more vulnerable-— vulnerable are feeling even more vulnerable. ., ., , ., vulnerable. unfortunately, we are holdin: vulnerable. unfortunately, we are holding strikes _ vulnerable. unfortunately, we are holding strikes now— vulnerable. unfortunately, we are holding strikes now because - vulnerable. unfortunately, we are holding strikes now because we . vulnerable. unfortunately, we are i holding strikes now because we want to restore _ holding strikes now because we want to restore doctors' pay and keep staff_ to restore doctors' pay and keep staff in — to restore doctors' pay and keep staff in the nhs rather than moving abroad _ staff in the nhs rather than moving abroad or— staff in the nhs rather than moving abroad or into the private sector. we have — abroad or into the private sector. we have qualified doctors today and indeed _ we have qualified doctors today and indeed our— we have qualified doctors today and indeed our new year's day and bank hoiiday— indeed our new year's day and bank holiday working for £15 53 an hour. we think— holiday working for £15 53 an hour. we think they should be paid the equivalent to what they were paid in 2008. _ equivalent to what they were paid in 2008, which would be about £20 an houi’, _ 2008, which would be about £20 an hour, we _ 2008, which would be about £20 an hour, we think that is perfectly reasonable for a doctor to be paid. and despite negotiating in good

faith from october all the way through— faith from october all the way through into december with an agreed, — through into december with an agreed, a _ through into december with an agreed, a mutually agreed deadline for those _ agreed, a mutually agreed deadline for those negotiations, the government has not put forward a credible _ government has not put forward a credible offer forjunior doctors' pay _ credible offer forjunior doctors' pay. they— credible offer forjunior doctors' pay. they haven't even put forward their final — pay. they haven't even put forward their final offer stock we have been hoping _ their final offer stock we have been hoping that over christmas period, victoria _ hoping that over christmas period, victoria atkins would come back with the final— victoria atkins would come back with the final offer she has said she has held back— the final offer she has said she has held back so we could avoid strike action, _ held back so we could avoid strike action, but— held back so we could avoid strike action, but it has not been forthcoming.— action, but it has not been forthcomina. , ., , , forthcoming. sorry to interrupt, but can ou forthcoming. sorry to interrupt, but can you see — forthcoming. sorry to interrupt, but can you see it— forthcoming. sorry to interrupt, but can you see it might _ forthcoming. sorry to interrupt, but can you see it might not _ forthcoming. sorry to interrupt, but can you see it might not sit - forthcoming. sorry to interrupt, but can you see it might not sit well- forthcoming. sorry to interrupt, but can you see it might not sit well as| can you see it might not sit well as some people? that this is an incredibly busy as time and the hardest time for many, hospitals and surgeries and you are going on strike. age uk say they are deeply concerned about the risks the strike poses to older people. you are a doctor and some might argue you have been trained to take care of people. and when this time has arisen, you are going on strike.— are going on strike. yes, and it doesnt are going on strike. yes, and it doesn't sit _ are going on strike. yes, and it doesn't sit well _ are going on strike. yes, and it doesn't sit well with _ are going on strike. yes, and it doesn't sit well with me - are going on strike. yes, and it doesn't sit well with me either| are going on strike. yes, and it i doesn't sit well with me either that we have _ doesn't sit well with me either that we have had to take strike action again _ we have had to take strike action

again i— we have had to take strike action again. i was really hopeful we would be again. i was really hopeful we would he at _ again. i was really hopeful we would he at the _ again. i was really hopeful we would be at the end of our dispute. but we have to _ be at the end of our dispute. but we have to make that call about whether we accept _ have to make that call about whether we accept the nhs continuously getting — we accept the nhs continuously getting worse as the health foundation contribution demonstrated. we have thousands upon thousands— demonstrated. we have thousands upon thousands of appointments cancelled all the _ thousands of appointments cancelled all the time. the real college of emergency medicine is pointing out that we _ emergency medicine is pointing out that we have such delay that hundreds of people die unnecessarily a week_ hundreds of people die unnecessarily a week -- _ hundreds of people die unnecessarily a week —— the royal college. we either— a week —— the royal college. we either accept it will continue to -et either accept it will continue to get worse _ either accept it will continue to get worse or try and make an intervention to restore doctors' pay to keep staff in the nhs and to improve — to keep staff in the nhs and to improve our service over time. we don't _ improve our service over time. we don't have — improve our service over time. we don't have to — improve our service over time. we don't have to go on strike, if we have _ don't have to go on strike, if we have a _ don't have to go on strike, if we have a credible offer from the government, to strike can end tomorrow _ government, to strike can end tomorrow. it could have ended 14 months _ tomorrow. it could have ended 14 months ago when we first opened up dispute _ months ago when we first opened up dispute with the government over pay restoration _ dispute with the government over pay restoration. and i am hopeful that in the _ restoration. and i am hopeful that in the future, in the near future, we wiii— in the future, in the near future, we will he — in the future, in the near future, we will be able to stop striking because — we will be able to stop striking because we have solved those problems. so because we have solved those problems— because we have solved those roblems. , ., ., ., , ., because we have solved those roblems. ., ., ., problems. so you are hoping to have another discussion _

problems. so you are hoping to have another discussion with _ problems. so you are hoping to have another discussion with the - another discussion with the government soon. the department of health and social care said, we urge the bmajunior doctors�* committee to call off their strikes and come back to the negotiating table so we can find a fair and reasonable solution and so we can all get back to focusing on patients and their care. so when will you go back to talking to ministers? that so when will you go back to talking to ministers?— to ministers? at any time. so it is not us to ministers? at any time. so it is rrot us that— to ministers? at any time. so it is not us that doesn't _ to ministers? at any time. so it is not us that doesn't want - to ministers? at any time. so it is not us that doesn't want to - to ministers? at any time. so it is not us that doesn't want to be i to ministers? at any time. so it is not us that doesn't want to be in i not us that doesn't want to be in negotiations at the moment, it is a government policy position to not have negotiations whilst we have strike _ have negotiations whilst we have strike dates on the table. but they have negotiated with other groups whiist _ have negotiated with other groups whilst they have been striking, including — whilst they have been striking, including for example the criminal barristers — including for example the criminal barristers. and in scotland, the government negotiated whilst there was strike action called. so it is perfectly— was strike action called. so it is perfectly possible for them to put a credible _ perfectly possible for them to put a credible offer at any time. we will engage _ credible offer at any time. we will engage in— credible offer at any time. we will engage in talks at any time. i'm hoping — engage in talks at any time. i'm hoping that the government will do that and _ hoping that the government will do that and bring this dispute to an end _ that and bring this dispute to an end. . ~ that and bring this dispute to an end. ., ,, , ., that and bring this dispute to an end. ., ,, i. that and bring this dispute to an end. ., ~' i., ., that and bring this dispute to an end. ., ,, i. ., ., end. thank you, matthew taylor and doctor emma _ end. thank you, matthew taylor and doctor emma runswick. _ the new year brings further violence in ukraine,

as russian attacks intensify, with a major escalation in missile strikes. today, at least five people have been killed and more than 130 have been injured. president zelensky has described vladamir putin as "an animal", after kyiv claimed to have intercepted dozens of missiles and drones launched by russian forces. in recent days, there have been major aerial assaults by both sides. and on new year�*s eve, russia launched the largest drone attack of the war so far. joe inwood has this report on what it could tell us about where the conflict is heading. it was not fireworks that greeted the new year in ukraine, but a barrage of deadly missiles and drones. the war may not be in the headlines as much as it once was, but it continues. so as we enter 2024, where do things stand? the front lines may not be moving, but that doesn�*t mean we have

reached a stalemate. the level of attrition and the level or speed at which both sides can regenerate combat power, offensive combat power, will set the conditions for later in 2024. so both sides are in a race, trying to inflict the most damage or attrition possible, while regenerating their own forces. and whoever wins that process is going to have a substantial advantage later in the conflict. and so this isn�*t... ..just because there isn�*t movement, doesn�*t mean things aren�*t changing. 2023 saw ukraine launch a long awaited counter—offensive. there had been talk of cutting off crimea. in the end, the front lines barely moved. now it�*s the russians who are on the offensive. so what do we see here now? that they are preparing to attack again, on at least three directions again.

that's kharkiv, that's the north of ukraine. again, an area that's on the way to kyiv. and the south of ukraine. russia has stepped up its aerial bombardment of ukraine in recent days, launching hundreds of drone and missile attacks across the country. that�*s a campaign which is aimed at degrading the ukrainian will and capacity to resist. the second line of effort is to run down the magazines of air defense interceptors, because if the russians can exhaust the available air defenses, then the russian air force will gain access to medium altitude over the front line, and that will translate into a tactical advantage on the battlefield. for ukraine, the big hope has always been the arrival of western jets, and it seems us made f—16s will soon be in the skies.

they are a totemic issue, but how much of an impact will they really have? the f—16s would provide valuable air cover to troops on the ground. they would also give the ukrainians much more range in terms of going farther afield and striking at russian military targets. they have great defensive capability as well. so there�*s a lot that they can do with the f—16s once they have them. but they will not be a silver bullet. victory in this war is about more than what happens on the battlefield. this is really a battle of societies, of their political will, and their industrial capacity. ukraine is making considerable efforts to expand production domestically, and that is bearing fruit. but ukraine does not control the financing or have access

to the supply chains to be able to massively ramp up production. russia, on the other hand, is not under the same kind of missile threat. it�*s less constrained. it has substantially more resources, and it does have control of a lot of the supply chains involved. and so the russians have moved on to a war footing in their defence industry and are rapidly accelerating production. well, mr president, welcome back. left on its own, ukraine would not win this war. it�*s relied on the significant support of its allies, but distracted by crises elsewhere in the world, there is a fear the west�*s resolve may be wavering. but the loss of ukraine, that would be the historical, the huge historical eu and our partners�* mistake if they stop to support. the russians have decided that they are able to outlast the west's political will and therefore

they think they can win. and the fact that they think they can win means that they are prepared to persist because they think that their prospects will improve over time. now, whether they're correct in those assessments is up to us. now on to another promise of the prime minister�*s. the government�*s said it has delivered on his pledge to clear the legacy backlog of asylum cases by the end of 2023, but labour has called the claim "just not true", with the government�*s own figures showing that there are more than 4,500 existing cases in that backlog. nick is here with more on this. once again, asylum and immigration at the forefront. that is right, it was a big overnight fanfare with a press release from the home office same legacy backlog cleared but immediate questions because there are 4500 complex cases still being looked at.

so our colleague on the today programme said to james cleverly how can you speak about the backlog being cleared with those outstanding cases. and he said our commitment was to process them and we have done that. back in december 2022 rishi sunak set up a target he spoke about swifter processing but on that specific target he talked about we expect to abolish the backlog of initial asylum decisions by the end of next year and talked about cutting the initial asylum backlog and then talked about clearing that backlog. the prime minister repeated that language this morning and the editor of the spectator magazine described it as a false claim and said he hoped that today would serve as a lesson learned for the prime minister and his social media team. all of this as we head into an election?—

all of this as we head into an election? ., , ., ., ., ., election? that is right and tomorrow it will feel that — election? that is right and tomorrow it will feel that election-year - election? that is right and tomorrow it will feel that election-year is i it will feel that election—year is under way as we have the liberal democrat leader visiting jeremy hunt and michael gove�*s seats in surrey vowing to tear down the blue wall. the later on we will see richard tice the leader of reform uk, talking about how reform is the key wild card of the coming election. on the timing everything that we are hearing suggest that november, may be waiting until after the presidential election but everything that we seek to suggest that downing street is keeping an early election in may open. there will be a budget in may open. there will be a budget in march and then the small boats legislation by the end of march before parliament dissolves. this week, we�*re going to be exploring different areas that could prove to be pivotal in the upcoming general election. from the economy to politics to foreign affairs,

all of it is likely to affect the way people decide to vote. today, we�*re going to be looking at home affairs, and what issues here might be important to you. along with illegal migration, there are things like crime and justice that can also destroy lives. tonight, we�*re going to delve into those subjects to see what state they�*re in and what changes are being called for, as the public considers who should be the next resident of number 10 downing street. they say home is where the heart is, but it�*s also where the headaches are. and it�*s no different for the government�*s home affairs — reduce legal and illegal migration. the end of last year showed rishi sunak�*s not having an easy time of it, with people within his own party adamant he�*s not doing enough to fulfil his goals on this. but of course, there are other issues on his doorstep that will have a big sway with the voters, as we head into a general election, starting off with crime. for generations, the tories

have branded themselves as being tough on law and order. but what did the stats say? get on the ground! incidents of violent crime have dropped by 28% in the year tojune 2023, but knife possession offences jumped, rising to 28,211 in the yeartojune, while crime associated with knives recorded by police rose 3% in the last year. this remains 7% below the pre—pandemic level. shoplifting offences recorded by the police have risen by 25%, while incidents of burglary were down 29% on the number recorded in the year to march 2020. when you look at crime as an issue amongst the british public, it�*s a middling issue, in terms of how they see it as important at a national level. but at a local level, this is one of the most important issues to the british populace and they are worried about things like burglaries,

anti—social behaviour and so on. so when they�*re voting in the elections, yes, they�*ll be worried about some of those big national issues like cost of living, like the economy and like public services such as the nhs, but there may also be some impetus on voting around localised issues like rates of crime and what they�*re seeing on their doorsteps. the government says since 2010, communities are safer, with neighbourhood crimes down. talk of moving away from short—term sentences has led to criticism from traditional tory voters, but thejustice secretary has said that the prison population in england and wales is greater than it has ever been. while the chief inspector of prisons recently said that jails were dangerously understaffed, with some inmates living in inhumane conditions. the current prison population stands at 87,891. a year ago, it was 82,832.

the system�*s full capacity is 88,782. i speak to prisoners all the time. some of my friends who i was inside with have sadly gone back away. i talk to their wives, their girlfriends, their parents, and it's absolutely desperate. it's notjust prisoners who are at risk. it's the officers who are at risk, who are going in day after day into impossibly very dangerous, violent environments. and what you're going to get is an increase in officer deaths and riots. the government says it�*s building six new prisons, as it creates an additional 20,000 places, and has recruited almost 1,500 new prison officers over the last year, with more of them staying in post for longer. to get to prison, there of course needs to be a guilty plea or a conviction, but courts are facing their own challenges. with a backlog of cases reaching 65,000 in october, ministers have a target of reducing that backlog to 53,000

by early—2025. and let�*s not forget the police. the chief inspector of constabulary said last year forces were experiencing one of their biggest crises in living memory, with trust severely damaged in recent years. the government says it�*s delivered more police officers in england and wales than ever before and has invested record funding in policing. these issues at home might end up causing major headaches, if people feel there is little action taken to make the situation better. joining us now, conservative mp and formerjustice secretary sir robert buckland. and with us in the studio, former metropolitan police chief superintendent dal babu. and juliet lyon, visiting professor in the school of law at birkbeck university of london and former director of the prison reform trust.

thank you forjoining me. starting with robert buckland, a backlog of 65,000 cases, some people would describe that as a mess. the crown court i describe that as a mess. the crown court i think _ describe that as a mess. the crown court i think has _ describe that as a mess. the crown court i think has been _ describe that as a mess. the crown court i think has been working i describe that as a mess. the crown court i think has been working very| court i think has been working very hard to try to deal with the problem that predated covid and got worse during that because of course we lost several months ofjury during that because of course we lost several months of jury trials due to the lockdown and restrictions. and despite the ending of any limit restrictions. and despite the ending ofany limit on restrictions. and despite the ending of any limit on crown court sitting days which happened when i was in charge, there is a real issue now is to the availability i think of barristers and indeed ofjudges. another current lord chancellor has appointed newjudges and we now have more circuitjudges able to do these trials but there still remains the problem notjust of the number of cases but the complexity of the case

being dealt with. sexual allegations which do not result in early guilty pleas that need the trial process to handle them. so the problem is not going to go away quickly and it is one that requires i think more investment of a type that i certainly encouraged when i was in office and would like to see more of in the years ahead. i office and would like to see more of in the years ahead.— in the years ahead. i hear what you sa but in the years ahead. i hear what you say but you — in the years ahead. i hear what you say but you are _ in the years ahead. i hear what you say but you are just _ in the years ahead. i hear what you say but you are just a _ in the years ahead. i hear what you say but you are just a secretary i say but you are just a secretary from 2019 until 2021, surely you take some responsibility for the state of the courts and prisons. let me put this quote from the criminal bar association to you, they say you are in action in restoring sitting days long before covid meant trial delay built up and the backlog grew by 25% even before the pandemic. i increase the number of sitting days increase the number of sitting days in the first year i was in office and then remove the restriction on sitting days altogether. i presided over an increase of 20% on

investment in the ministry of justice and the biggest single increase in court maintenance budget increase in court maintenance budget in 20 years was also one of my initiatives and i did everything i could. �* .,. initiatives and i did everything i could. �* , , could. but the fact is you were 'ust a secretary — could. but the fact is you were 'ust a secretary and fi could. but the fact is you were 'ust a secretary and at i could. but the fact is you were 'ust a secretary and at the i could. but the fact is you were 'ust a secretary and at the momenti a secretary and at the moment prisons are overcrowded and the courts are facing a backlog of 65,000 cases. what i�*m saying to your critics is that, i should say your critics is that, i should say your critics is that, i should say your critics are saying that you should take some responsibility for that situation. i work very hard to increase funding in the justice system and notjust on the court system, but in the prison system as well, i initiated the biggest single prison building programme since the victorians and an increase in revenue budget as well. and i started the process that led to the welcome increase in pay for barristers. all these things

took time, but i worked as hard as i could in the two years that i was given in charge to advance the criminaljustice given in charge to advance the criminal justice system given in charge to advance the criminaljustice system and to pull the ratchet back from notjust underinvestment in the past ten or 15 years, but a generation of a lack of precedence that has been given to the justice system. of precedence that has been given to thejustice system. i of precedence that has been given to the justice system. i think are far too long compared to health and education, justice has been the poor relation and i worked very hard to try and change that.— relation and i worked very hard to try and change that. briefly, robert buckland, i — try and change that. briefly, robert buckland, i have _ try and change that. briefly, robert buckland, i have to _ try and change that. briefly, robert buckland, i have to talk _ try and change that. briefly, robert buckland, i have to talk to - try and change that. briefly, robert buckland, i have to talk to the i buckland, i have to talk to the other guests, what is the solution here? you have talked about further investment. how do we eradicate such an enormous backlog? i investment. how do we eradicate such an enormous backlog?— an enormous backlog? i think the short term _ an enormous backlog? i think the short term issue _ an enormous backlog? i think the short term issue is _ an enormous backlog? i think the short term issue is indeed - an enormous backlog? i think the short term issue is indeed to i short term issue is indeed to increase investment. but there are longer term issues about the way in which the justice system is run. longer term issues about the way in which thejustice system is run. i think it is an end—to—end process from the beginning of the complaint being made through to the trial process. i don�*t think there is

enough emphasis on case management. i know a lot of hard work has been put into that, but i think increasingly, we have to use technology in a clever away and improve productivity within the system so victims ofjustice can give evidence and have childhood at a more early stage. juliet give evidence and have childhood at a more early stage.— a more early stage. juliet lyon, even the justice _ a more early stage. juliet lyon, even the justice secretary i a more early stage. juliet lyon, even the justice secretary has l a more early stage. juliet lyon, i even the justice secretary has said even thejustice secretary has said there are more people in our prisons now then there have been ever before and the statistics in that piece showed it is on the cusp of reaching full capacity. i mean, what is your reaction to that? i full capacity. i mean, what is your reaction to that?— reaction to that? i think it is awful. reaction to that? i think it is awful- and _ reaction to that? i think it is awful. and | _ reaction to that? i think it is awful. and i think _ reaction to that? i think it is awful. and i think any i reaction to that? i think it is i awful. and i think any government coming _ awful. and i think any government coming in. — awful. and i think any government coming in, whatever stripe, needs to take a _ coming in, whatever stripe, needs to take a much— coming in, whatever stripe, needs to take a much longer and much more thoughtful— take a much longer and much more thoughtful view about who do we need to use _ thoughtful view about who do we need to use prison for? of course if someone _ to use prison for? of course if someone represents a real risk to the public, — someone represents a real risk to the public, the prison serves a purpose — the public, the prison serves a purpose. but there are community sentences — purpose. but there are community sentences. there are opportunities for peopie — sentences. there are opportunities for people to have mental health care _ for people to have mental health care. there are opportunities for drug _ care. there are opportunities for drug and — care. there are opportunities for drug and alcohol treatment and we simply— drug and alcohol treatment and we simply don't make good enough use of

those _ simply don't make good enough use of those so— simply don't make good enough use of those. so when robert buckland was talking _ those. so when robert buckland was talking about longer term, i was hoping _ talking about longer term, i was hoping that he would say that we will look — hoping that he would say that we will look at the number of children in care _ will look at the number of children in care and — will look at the number of children in care and by half the children and young _ in care and by half the children and young offenders institutions have been _ young offenders institutions have been in _ young offenders institutions have been in the care system. i wanted him to— been in the care system. i wanted him to say— been in the care system. i wanted him to say people who are ill and have _ him to say people who are ill and have attempted suicide at some point, _ have attempted suicide at some point, why do they end up in prison? but he _ point, why do they end up in prison? but he was _ point, why do they end up in prison? but he was talking about it from a systemic— but he was talking about it from a systemic point of view only adjust how to _ systemic point of view only adjust how to make the system work better. what i _ how to make the system work better. what i am _ how to make the system work better. what i am saying is actually, many of the _ what i am saying is actually, many of the solutions lie in health and many— of the solutions lie in health and many of— of the solutions lie in health and many of them lie in housing. and what about _ many of them lie in housing. fific what about rehabilitation? the many of them lie in housing. a"ic what about rehabilitation? the chief inspector of prisons said only days ago that there were so many people in prison that they are unable to provide the rehab that they want so that when they are released, they have a normal life.— have a normal life. yes, and they have a normal life. yes, and they have a normal life. yes, and they have a chance _ have a normal life. yes, and they have a chance of _ have a normal life. yes, and they have a chance of not _ have a normal life. yes, and they have a chance of not going i have a normal life. yes, and they have a chance of not going back | have a chance of not going back again _ have a chance of not going back again. because with the system just perpetuating itself. but i think it is very— perpetuating itself. but i think it is very ambitious to talk about rehab— is very ambitious to talk about rehab in— is very ambitious to talk about rehab in a _ is very ambitious to talk about rehab in a system which is so

fabulously overcrowded. so disastrously overcrowded. and it means— disastrously overcrowded. and it means that the focus is on, do you .et means that the focus is on, do you get an— means that the focus is on, do you get an hour— means that the focus is on, do you get an hour out of yourself a day, is that— get an hour out of yourself a day, is that what— get an hour out of yourself a day, is that what you can manage? in which _ is that what you can manage? in which case _ is that what you can manage? in which case, then you can perhaps use a phone _ which case, then you can perhaps use a phone or— which case, then you can perhaps use a phone or get a shower. the aim of trying _ a phone or get a shower. the aim of trying to— a phone or get a shower. the aim of trying to make the punishment loss of liberty— trying to make the punishment loss of liberty and make use of the sentence. _ of liberty and make use of the sentence, do something with that time and — sentence, do something with that time and enable people to change, that is— time and enable people to change, that is really in a system currently so siited _ that is really in a system currently so silted up, simply as possible. dal so silted up, simply as possible. dai babu, — so silted up, simply as possible. dal babu, the police have faced a scathing report after scathing report in recent months. trust is so low. we have the chief inspector of constabulary who said last year that forces were experiencing one of their biggest crises in living memory. that is quite the statement. how can police forces build that trust that has been eroded, if you like, in recent years?— trust that has been eroded, if you like, in recent years? well, you're riaht, like, in recent years? well, you're right. trust _ like, in recent years? well, you're right. trust is _ like, in recent years? well, you're right, trust is key. _

like, in recent years? well, you're right, trust is key. and _ like, in recent years? well, you're right, trust is key. and if- like, in recent years? well, you're right, trust is key. and if we i like, in recent years? well, you're right, trust is key. and if we don't| right, trust is key. and if we don't have _ right, trust is key. and if we don't have trust— right, trust is key. and if we don't have trust in — right, trust is key. and if we don't have trust in the _ right, trust is key. and if we don't have trust in the police, _ right, trust is key. and if we don't have trust in the police, then i right, trust is key. and if we don't have trust in the police, then we i have trust in the police, then we struggie — have trust in the police, then we struggie the _ have trust in the police, then we struggle. the rest _ have trust in the police, then we struggle. the rest of— have trust in the police, then we struggle. the rest of it, - have trust in the police, then we struggle. the rest of it, the i have trust in the police, then we struggle. the rest of it, the rest| struggle. the rest of it, the rest of policing — struggle. the rest of it, the rest of policing and _ struggle. the rest of it, the rest of policing and effective - struggle. the rest of it, the rest| of policing and effective criminal justice _ of policing and effective criminal justice is— of policing and effective criminal justice is built _ of policing and effective criminal justice is built on _ of policing and effective criminal justice is built on that— of policing and effective criminal justice is built on that trust. i. justice is built on that trust. i think— justice is built on that trust. i think so— justice is built on that trust. i think so roberts _ justice is built on that trust. i think so roberts talks - justice is built on that trust. i think so roberts talks about i justice is built on that trust. i- think so roberts talks about what happens — think so roberts talks about what happens in — think so roberts talks about what happens in the _ think so roberts talks about what happens in the initial— think so roberts talks about what happens in the initial complaint. anybody— happens in the initial complaint. anybody who _ happens in the initial complaint. anybody who has _ happens in the initial complaint. anybody who has had _ happens in the initial complaint. anybody who has had dealings l happens in the initial complaint. i anybody who has had dealings with poiice _ anybody who has had dealings with poiice recently _ anybody who has had dealings with police recently will _ anybody who has had dealings with police recently will know _ anybody who has had dealings with police recently will know how - police recently will know how chaiienging _ police recently will know how chaiienging it _ police recently will know how challenging it is _ police recently will know how challenging it is to _ police recently will know how challenging it is to get - police recently will know how challenging it is to get a i police recently will know howl challenging it is to get a crime police recently will know how i challenging it is to get a crime to be investigated _ challenging it is to get a crime to be investigated —— _ challenging it is to get a crime to be investigated —— sir— challenging it is to get a crime to be investigated —— sir robert. i challenging it is to get a crime to i be investigated —— sir robert. that is where _ be investigated —— sir robert. that is where the — be investigated —— sir robert. that is where the problem _ be investigated —— sir robert. that is where the problem is. _ be investigated —— sir robert. that is where the problem is. we - be investigated —— sir robert. that is where the problem is. we have. is where the problem is. we have generation— is where the problem is. we have generation after— is where the problem is. we have generation after generation, i generation after generation, whenever— generation after generation, whenever we _ generation after generation, whenever we have _ generation after generation, whenever we have had - generation after generation, i whenever we have had reduction generation after generation, - whenever we have had reduction in crime, _ whenever we have had reduction in crime we — whenever we have had reduction in crime we have _ whenever we have had reduction in crime, we have reduced _ whenever we have had reduction in crime, we have reduced the - whenever we have had reduction in crime, we have reduced the size i crime, we have reduced the size of the poiice — crime, we have reduced the size of the police service. _ crime, we have reduced the size of the police service. this— crime, we have reduced the size of the police service. this is- crime, we have reduced the size of the police service. this is across i crime, we have reduced the size of the police service. this is across a| the police service. this is across a number— the police service. this is across a number of— the police service. this is across a number of decades. _ the police service. this is across a number of decades. and - the police service. this is across a number of decades. and what i the police service. this is across a number of decades. and what wel the police service. this is across a i number of decades. and what we have done is _ number of decades. and what we have done is we _ number of decades. and what we have done is we have — number of decades. and what we have done is we have got— number of decades. and what we have done is we have got almost _ number of decades. and what we have done is we have got almost a - number of decades. and what we have done is we have got almost a quarter. done is we have got almost a quarter of the _ done is we have got almost a quarter of the poiice — done is we have got almost a quarter of the police officers _ done is we have got almost a quarter of the police officers have _ done is we have got almost a quarter of the police officers have got less i of the police officers have got less than five _ of the police officers have got less than five years _ of the police officers have got less than five years experience. - of the police officers have got less than five years experience. so i of the police officers have got lessl than five years experience. so what we need _ than five years experience. so what we need to— than five years experience. so what we need to do— than five years experience. so what we need to do is— than five years experience. so what we need to do is we _ than five years experience. so what we need to do is we need _ than five years experience. so what we need to do is we need to - than five years experience. so whatl we need to do is we need to ensure, no matter— we need to do is we need to ensure, no matter who — we need to do is we need to ensure, no matter who is _ we need to do is we need to ensure, no matter who is in _ we need to do is we need to ensure, no matter who is in power, - we need to do is we need to ensure, no matter who is in power, that- we need to do is we need to ensure, no matter who is in power, that we i no matter who is in power, that we don't _ no matter who is in power, that we don't keep— no matter who is in power, that we don't keep having _ no matter who is in power, that we don't keep having the _ no matter who is in power, that we don't keep having the system i don't keep having the system whenever— don't keep having the system whenever crime _ don't keep having the system whenever crime goes- don't keep having the system whenever crime goes down, i don't keep having the system l whenever crime goes down, we don't keep having the system - whenever crime goes down, we reduce policing, _ whenever crime goes down, we reduce policing, because — whenever crime goes down, we reduce policing, because police _ whenever crime goes down, we reduce policing, because police officers- policing, because police officers need _ policing, because police officers need experience. _ policing, because police officers need experience. they- policing, because police officers need experience. they learn- policing, because police officers need experience. they learn on| policing, because police officers. need experience. they learn on the 'ob. need experience. they learn on the job and _ need experience. they learn on the job and i_ need experience. they learn on the job and i feel_ need experience. they learn on the job. and i feel for— need experience. they learn on the job. and i feel for those _ need experience. they learn on the job. and i feel for those new- need experience. they learn on the job. and i feel for those new police| job. and i feel for those new police officers _ job. and i feel for those new police officers who — job. and i feel for those new police officers who haven't _ job. and i feel for those new police officers who haven't got _ job. and i feel for those new police officers who haven't got the - officers who haven't got the experience. _ officers who haven't got the experience, who _ officers who haven't got the experience, who haven't- officers who haven't got the | experience, who haven't got officers who haven't got the i experience, who haven't got the

skills— experience, who haven't got the skills to — experience, who haven't got the skills to be _ experience, who haven't got the skills to be able _ experience, who haven't got the skills to be able to _ experience, who haven't got the skills to be able to effectively. skills to be able to effectively police — skills to be able to effectively poiice so _ skills to be able to effectively police so it _ skills to be able to effectively police. so it is _ skills to be able to effectively police. so it is a _ skills to be able to effectively police. so it is a plea - skills to be able to effectively police. so it is a plea to- skills to be able to effectively. police. so it is a plea to ensure that _ police. so it is a plea to ensure that we — police. so it is a plea to ensure that we have _ police. so it is a plea to ensure that we have the _ police. so it is a plea to ensure that we have the stability- police. so it is a plea to ensure that we have the stability in i that we have the stability in policing _ that we have the stability in policing and _ that we have the stability in policing and that _ that we have the stability in policing and that is - that we have the stability in policing and that is when i that we have the stability in. policing and that is when you that we have the stability in - policing and that is when you start building _ policing and that is when you start building up— policing and that is when you start building up the _ policing and that is when you start building up the trust _ policing and that is when you start building up the trust and - policing and that is when you start building up the trust and start i building up the trust and start working — building up the trust and start working with _ building up the trust and start working with all— building up the trust and start working with all sections i building up the trust and starti working with all sections of the community— working with all sections of the community to _ working with all sections of the community to ensure _ working with all sections of the community to ensure that i working with all sections of the community to ensure that the i working with all sections of the i community to ensure that the police are trusted — community to ensure that the police are trusted again. _ community to ensure that the police are trusted again. because - community to ensure that the police are trusted again. because at - community to ensure that the police are trusted again. because at the i are trusted again. because at the moment, — are trusted again. because at the moment, the _ are trusted again. because at the moment, the discussions- are trusted again. because at the moment, the discussions i- are trusted again. because at the moment, the discussions i used i are trusted again. because at the i moment, the discussions i used to have _ moment, the discussions i used to have was— moment, the discussions i used to have was with _ moment, the discussions i used to have was with people _ moment, the discussions i used to have was with people of— moment, the discussions i used to have was with people of colour, i have was with people of colour, iesbian— have was with people of colour, lesbian and _ have was with people of colour, lesbian and gay and _ have was with people of colour, lesbian and gay and bisexual i have was with people of colour, i lesbian and gay and bisexual people, young _ lesbian and gay and bisexual people, young peopie — lesbian and gay and bisexual people, young people who— lesbian and gay and bisexual people, young people who didn't _ lesbian and gay and bisexual people, young people who didn't trust - lesbian and gay and bisexual people, young people who didn't trust the i young people who didn't trust the police _ young people who didn't trust the police i went _ young people who didn't trust the police. i went to a _ young people who didn't trust the police. i went to a dinner party. young people who didn't trust the police. i went to a dinner party of| police. i went to a dinner party of middle _ police. i went to a dinner party of middle age — police. i went to a dinner party of middle age might— police. i went to a dinner party of middle age might women - police. i went to a dinner party of middle age might women who i police. i went to a dinner party of| middle age might women who are police. i went to a dinner party of- middle age might women who are now saying. _ middle age might women who are now saying. i— middle age might women who are now saying. idon't— middle age might women who are now saying, i don't trust _ middle age might women who are now saying, i don't trust the _ middle age might women who are now saying, i don't trust the police. - saying, idon't trust the police. that— saying, idon't trust the police. that is— saying, i don't trust the police. that is the _ saying, i don't trust the police. that is the situation _ saying, i don't trust the police. that is the situation we - saying, i don't trust the police. i that is the situation we have got to, a _ that is the situation we have got to, a huge — that is the situation we have got to, a huge battle _ that is the situation we have got to, a huge battle ahead - that is the situation we have got to, a huge battle ahead for- to, a huge battle ahead for the governed _ to, a huge battle ahead for the governed-— to, a huge battle ahead for the coverned. ., , ., , governed. the government says it has delivered more _ governed. the government says it has delivered more offices _ governed. the government says it has delivered more offices in _ governed. the government says it has delivered more offices in england i delivered more offices in england and wales than ever before and invested record policing in funding. how can that help we trust and confidence? you say the people coming in are inexperienced and it will take time for them to build up that experience. but will take time for them to build up that experience.— that experience. but i think it is also important _ that experience. but i think it is also important to _ that experience. but i think it is also important to look- that experience. but i think it is also important to look at - that experience. but i think it is also important to look at the i that experience. but i think it is - also important to look at the number of people _ also important to look at the number of people leaving _ also important to look at the number of people leaving as _ also important to look at the number of people leaving as well. _ also important to look at the number of people leaving as well. so - also important to look at the number of people leaving as well. so the - of people leaving as well. so the issues _ of people leaving as well. so the issues are — of people leaving as well. so the issues are we _ of people leaving as well. so the issues are we are _ of people leaving as well. so the issues are we are asking - of people leaving as well. so the issues are we are asking a - of people leaving as well. so the issues are we are asking a lot. issues are we are asking a lot of these _ issues are we are asking a lot of these new— issues are we are asking a lot of these new police _ issues are we are asking a lot of these new police officers - issues are we are asking a lot of these new police officers and i issues are we are asking a lot of| these new police officers and the retention —

these new police officers and the retention rates _ these new police officers and the retention rates are _ these new police officers and the retention rates are low. - these new police officers and the retention rates are low. some i retention rates are low. some places. — retention rates are low. some places. 20% _ retention rates are low. some places. 20% of— retention rates are low. some places, 20% of the _ retention rates are low. some places, 20% of the people - retention rates are low. some - places, 20% of the people coming in are leaving _ places, 20% of the people coming in are leaving within _ places, 20% of the people coming in are leaving within two _ places, 20% of the people coming in are leaving within two years. - places, 20% of the people coming in are leaving within two years. so - places, 20% of the people coming in are leaving within two years. so i- are leaving within two years. so i think— are leaving within two years. so i think what— are leaving within two years. so i think what we _ are leaving within two years. so i think what we need _ are leaving within two years. so i think what we need is _ are leaving within two years. so i think what we need is a - are leaving within two years. so ii think what we need is a grown—up conversation _ think what we need is a grown—up conversation around _ think what we need is a grown—up conversation around the - think what we need is a grown—up l conversation around the importance of resources, — conversation around the importance of resources, but _ conversation around the importance of resources, but i _ conversation around the importance of resources, but i know— conversation around the importance of resources, but i know it - conversation around the importance of resources, but i know it is - conversation around the importance of resources, but i know it is very. of resources, but i know it is very easy— of resources, but i know it is very easy to _ of resources, but i know it is very easy to talk — of resources, but i know it is very easy to talk about _ of resources, but i know it is very easy to talk about resources, - of resources, but i know it is very easy to talk about resources, but| of resources, but i know it is very. easy to talk about resources, but if you have _ easy to talk about resources, but if you have resources _ easy to talk about resources, but if you have resources and _ easy to talk about resources, but if you have resources and you - easy to talk about resources, but if you have resources and you have . easy to talk about resources, but if you have resources and you have a | you have resources and you have a degree _ you have resources and you have a degree of— you have resources and you have a degree of stability _ you have resources and you have a degree of stability and _ you have resources and you have a degree of stability and you - you have resources and you have a degree of stability and you have i degree of stability and you have experienced _ degree of stability and you have experienced police _ degree of stability and you have experienced police officers - degree of stability and you have experienced police officers that| degree of stability and you have i experienced police officers that are able to _ experienced police officers that are able to deat— experienced police officers that are able to deal with _ experienced police officers that are able to deal with situations. - experienced police officers that are able to deal with situations. and i. able to deal with situations. and i look back— able to deal with situations. and i look back at— able to deal with situations. and i look back at my _ able to deal with situations. and i look back at my time _ able to deal with situations. and i look back at my time when - able to deal with situations. and i look back at my time when i - able to deal with situations. and i look back at my time when i wasl able to deal with situations. and i. look back at my time when i was 19, 20-vear-old — look back at my time when i was 19, 20—year—old police _ look back at my time when i was 19, 20—year—old police officer— look back at my time when i was 19, 20—year—old police officer working l 20—year—old police officer working in tottenhanr. _ 20—year—old police officer working in tottenham, i— 20—year—old police officer working in tottenham, i didn't— 20—year—old police officer working in tottenham, i didn't have - 20—year—old police officer working in tottenham, i didn't have a - 20—year—old police officer working in tottenham, i didn't have a cluel in tottenham, i didn't have a clue what _ in tottenham, i didn't have a clue what i _ in tottenham, i didn't have a clue what i was — in tottenham, i didn't have a clue what i was doing. _ in tottenham, i didn't have a clue what i was doing. i— in tottenham, i didn't have a clue what i was doing. i relied - in tottenham, i didn't have a clue what i was doing. i relied on - what i was doing. i relied on experienced _ what i was doing. i relied on experienced police - what i was doing. i relied on experienced police officers i what i was doing. i relied on| experienced police officers to what i was doing. i relied on - experienced police officers to hold my hand. — experienced police officers to hold my hand. to — experienced police officers to hold my hand, to actually— experienced police officers to hold my hand, to actually help - experienced police officers to hold my hand, to actually help me - experienced police officers to holdl my hand, to actually help me learn how policing — my hand, to actually help me learn how policing was~ _ my hand, to actually help me learn how policing was. what _ my hand, to actually help me learn how policing was. what you - my hand, to actually help me learn how policing was. what you are - how policing was. what you are getting — how policing was. what you are getting is — how policing was. what you are getting is you _ how policing was. what you are getting is you get _ how policing was. what you are | getting is you get inexperienced police _ getting is you get inexperienced police officers _ getting is you get inexperienced police officers teaching - getting is you get inexperienced police officers teaching the - police officers teaching the brand-new _ police officers teaching the brand—new police - police officers teaching the brand—new police officers i police officers teaching the i brand—new police officers and police officers teaching the - brand—new police officers and that is the _ brand—new police officers and that is the kind — brand—new police officers and that is the kind of— brand—new police officers and that is the kind of situation _ brand—new police officers and that is the kind of situation we - brand—new police officers and that is the kind of situation we have . brand—new police officers and that| is the kind of situation we have got to. is the kind of situation we have got to so _ is the kind of situation we have got to so we _ is the kind of situation we have got to so we need _ is the kind of situation we have got to. so we need to— is the kind of situation we have got to. so we need to really— is the kind of situation we have got to. so we need to really in- is the kind of situation we have got to. so we need to really in some i to. so we need to really in some ways— to. so we need to really in some ways hold — to. so we need to really in some ways hold our— to. so we need to really in some ways hold our nerve _ to. so we need to really in some ways hold our nerve and - to. so we need to really in some ways hold our nerve and see - to. so we need to really in some | ways hold our nerve and see that experience — ways hold our nerve and see that experience bedded _ ways hold our nerve and see that experience bedded in— ways hold our nerve and see that experience bedded in with - ways hold our nerve and see that experience bedded in with the i ways hold our nerve and see that - experience bedded in with the police officers. _ experience bedded in with the police officers. and — experience bedded in with the police officers, and then— experience bedded in with the police officers, and then we _ experience bedded in with the police officers, and then we will— experience bedded in with the police officers, and then we will see - experience bedded in with the police officers, and then we will see trust l officers, and then we will see trust improving — officers, and then we will see trust improving more _ officers, and then we will see trust improving more effective - officers, and then we will see trust improving more effective criminal. improving more effective criminal justice _ improving more effective criminal justice svstem _ improving more effective criminal justice system-— improving more effective criminal 'ustices stem. ., ,, justice system. thank you, dal babu, juliet l on justice system. thank you, dal babu, juliet lyon and _ justice system. thank you, dal babu, juliet lyon and robert _ justice system. thank you, dal babu, juliet lyon and robert buckland. - justice system. thank you, dal babu, juliet lyon and robert buckland. i - juliet lyon and robert buckland. i appreciate your time and i wish you

appreciate your time and i wish you a lovely evening.