�*to close the book to close the book on the ready to close the book on the trickle — ready to close the book on the trickle down nonsense once and for all. applause and finally, i promise this. a determination to bring our country together, — determination to bring our country together, not exploit its divisions. an understanding that britain's standing — an understanding that britain's standing in the world can never be taken _ standing in the world can never be taken for— standing in the world can never be taken for granted and the politics of respect and service, that show zero _ of respect and service, that show zero tolerance towards the darker side of— zero tolerance towards the darker side of westminster. don't get me wrong, _ side of westminster. don't get me wrong, there are good people in westminster. people who love their country _ westminster. people who love their country and want to change it for the better — country and want to change it for the better. and yet, a basic principle _ the better. and yet, a basic principle of any organisation i have worked _ principle of any organisation i have worked on — principle of any organisation i have worked on outside of politics, but you should — worked on outside of politics, but you should follow the rules you set for others, — you should follow the rules you set for others, uphold the values you advocate — for others, uphold the values you advocate. thisjust doesn't seem

for others, uphold the values you advocate. this just doesn't seem to be followed or understood in westminster. i mean, honestly, what does anyone— westminster. i mean, honestly, what does anyone think it looks like to the people of this country to see people _ the people of this country to see people rewarded, honoured for crashing — people rewarded, honoured for crashing the economy under liz truss? — crashing the economy under liz truss? if— crashing the economy under liz truss? if your mortgage is going up this year— truss? if your mortgage is going up this year and you see those people swanning _ this year and you see those people swanning around the house of lords, what do _ swanning around the house of lords, what do you — swanning around the house of lords, what do you think? no, i say to all my what do you think? no, i say to all nty fettow— what do you think? no, i say to all my fellow politicians, labour and tory. _ my fellow politicians, labour and tory. to — my fellow politicians, labour and tory, to change britain, we must change _ tory, to change britain, we must change ourselves. we need to clean up change ourselves. we need to clean up politics. — change ourselves. we need to clean up politics, no more vip fast lanes, no more _ up politics, no more vip fast lanes, no more kickbacks for colleagues, no more _ no more kickbacks for colleagues, no more revolving doors between government and the companies they regutate~ _ government and the companies they regutate~ i_ government and the companies they regulate. i will restore standards in public— regulate. i will restore standards in public life with a total crackdown on cronyism. applause.

i have put expense politics injail before, — i have put expense politics injail before, i— i have put expense politics injail before, i didn't care if they were labour— before, ididn't care if they were labour or— before, i didn't care if they were labour or tory. before, i didn't care if they were labour ortory. my before, i didn't care if they were labour or tory. my grew up working class _ labour or tory. my grew up working class and _ labour or tory. my grew up working class and spare me the self—serving excuses. _ class and spare me the self—serving excuses. it — class and spare me the self—serving excuses, itjust won't class and spare me the self—serving excuses, it just won't wash. this ends _ excuses, it just won't wash. this ends now— excuses, it just won't wash. this ends now and nobody will be above the law _ ends now and nobody will be above the law in— ends now and nobody will be above the law in a — ends now and nobody will be above the law in a britain that i lead. applause. but with respect and service i also promise _ but with respect and service i also promise this... a politics that treads— promise this... a politics that treads a — promise this... a politics that treads a little lighter on all of our lives _ treads a little lighter on all of our lives. because that is the thing about— our lives. because that is the thing about populism or nationalism, any politics— about populism or nationalism, any politics fuelled by division. it need — politics fuelled by division. it need your full attention, need you constantly— need your full attention, need you constantly focusing on this week's common— constantly focusing on this week's common enemy. that is exhausting, isn't it? _ common enemy. that is exhausting, isn't it? 0n— common enemy. that is exhausting, isn't it? on the other hand, a

politics— isn't it? on the other hand, a politics that aspires to national unity, — politics that aspires to national unity, bringing people together, the common— unity, bringing people together, the common good. that is harder to express, — common good. that is harder to express, less colourful, fewer cticks — express, less colourful, fewer clicks on — express, less colourful, fewer clicks on social media. and in some ways, _ clicks on social media. and in some ways, it _ clicks on social media. and in some ways, it is — clicks on social media. and in some ways, it is more demanding of you. it ways, it is more demanding of you. it asks _ ways, it is more demanding of you. it asks you — ways, it is more demanding of you. it asks you to — ways, it is more demanding of you. it asks you to moderate your political _ it asks you to moderate your political wishes out of respect for the different wishes of others. i nrean. — the different wishes of others. i nrean. 45— the different wishes of others. i mean, 45 million voters cannot get everything — mean, 45 million voters cannot get everything they want, that is democracy. so no matter the road the tories _ democracy. so no matter the road the tories take _ democracy. so no matter the road the tories take this year, i believe that— tories take this year, i believe that if— tories take this year, i believe that if people see the commitment to service _ that if people see the commitment to service is— that if people see the commitment to service is always there in politics, if they— service is always there in politics, if they can — service is always there in politics, if they can see the people in power respect _ if they can see the people in power respect their concerns then i think a lot of— respect their concerns then i think a lot of people across the country, after _ a lot of people across the country, after everything we have been through— after everything we have been through in the last 14 years will find some — through in the last 14 years will find some hope in that. it will feel different. — find some hope in that. it will feel different, frankly. the character of

politics— different, frankly. the character of politics will change and with it the national— politics will change and with it the national mood. a collective breathing out, a burden lifted. and then the _ breathing out, a burden lifted. and then the space for a more hopeful look forward, because the truth is it is this _ look forward, because the truth is it is this kind of politics and only this kind — it is this kind of politics and only this kind of— it is this kind of politics and only this kind of politics that can offer real change. the energy needed for divisive _ real change. the energy needed for divisive politics is a distraction. you _ divisive politics is a distraction. you can— divisive politics is a distraction. you can see that with the snp in scotland — you can see that with the snp in scotland or the tories here in england _ scotland or the tories here in england. and i learnt this first hand — england. and i learnt this first hand in— england. and i learnt this first hand in northern ireland. before the police _ hand in northern ireland. before the police service of northern ireland was set _ police service of northern ireland was set up, the idea that the nationalist community would buy into it in any— nationalist community would buy into it in any way— nationalist community would buy into it in any way was utterly unthinkable. now, there is always more _ unthinkable. now, there is always more work— unthinkable. now, there is always more work to do on that, peace in northern— more work to do on that, peace in

northern ireland has to be won every day. northern ireland has to be won every day and _ northern ireland has to be won every day. and yet, with patient listening, with determination, with the people of northern ireland coming — the people of northern ireland coming together, not only with those different _ coming together, not only with those different to them, not only with those _ different to them, not only with those who disagreed with them, but even with— those who disagreed with them, but even with those who took up arms against _ even with those who took up arms against them. the unthinkable happened, catholic men and women did step up— happened, catholic men and women did step up to _ happened, catholic men and women did step up to serve. so don't listen to the voices— step up to serve. so don't listen to the voices who say, we cannot change britain _ the voices who say, we cannot change britain we _ the voices who say, we cannot change britain. we can and we will. don't listen _ britain. we can and we will. don't listen when — britain. we can and we will. don't listen when they say we are all the same _ listen when they say we are all the same we — listen when they say we are all the same. we are not and we never will be. same. we are not and we never will be and _ same. we are not and we never will be and don't — same. we are not and we never will be. and don't listen when they say politics— be. and don't listen when they say politics makes no difference, because _ politics makes no difference, because it does. if you cannot get an affordable home in your town, but with labour— an affordable home in your town, but with labour you can, that is a difference _ with labour you can, that is a difference worth fighting for. if

you cannot get a job with regular hours _ you cannot get a job with regular hours that— you cannot get a job with regular hours that will let you look after your _ hours that will let you look after your family, hours that will let you look after yourfamily, but hours that will let you look after your family, but with labour you can _ your family, but with labour you can that— your family, but with labour you can that is— your family, but with labour you can... that is a difference worth fighting — can... that is a difference worth fighting for _ can... that is a difference worth fighting for. if you are a care worker— fighting for. if you are a care worker who saved lives during the pandemic— worker who saved lives during the pandemic and has been rewarded with poverty— pandemic and has been rewarded with poverty wages, but with labour you can get— poverty wages, but with labour you can get a _ poverty wages, but with labour you can get a fair pay agreement, that's a difference worth fighting for. applause. the same is true for our nhs, for our schools. _ the same is true for our nhs, for our schools, climate change and energy— our schools, climate change and energy security, securing our borders, _ energy security, securing our borders, restoring britain's standing, crime and justice. borders, restoring britain's standing, crime andjustice. only labour— standing, crime andjustice. only lahourwitt— standing, crime andjustice. only labour will make a difference. only labour _ labour will make a difference. only labour would drag our politics back to service, — labour would drag our politics back to service, only labour can lead britain — to service, only labour can lead britain back to national renewal. and you — britain back to national renewal. and you have the power to vote for it, a party— and you have the power to vote for it, a party of— and you have the power to vote for it, a party of service with a plan versus— it, a party of service with a plan versus a — it, a party of service with a plan versus a party with nothing to offer

because _ versus a party with nothing to offer because it — versus a party with nothing to offer because it only cares about itself. hope _ because it only cares about itself. hope or— because it only cares about itself. hope or cynicism? a new politics of the same _ hope or cynicism? a new politics of the same old westminster? continue to decline _ the same old westminster? continue to decline with the tories or national— to decline with the tories or national renewal with labour? applause. nobody in britain thinks the years ahead _ nobody in britain thinks the years ahead will be easy. but this year is the chance. — ahead will be easy. but this year is the chance, the only chance to change — the chance, the only chance to change our course. the future of britain _ change our course. the future of britain in — change our course. the future of britain in your hands, the power of the vote _ britain in your hands, the power of the vote in— britain in your hands, the power of the vote in your control and we will fi-ht the vote in your control and we will fight every— the vote in your control and we will fight every day to earn it. why labour? — fight every day to earn it. why labour? because we serve your interests — labour? because we serve your interests. why labour? because we will interests. why labour? because we witt grow— interests. why labour? because we will grow every corner of our country _ will grow every corner of our country. why labour? because we have a plan _ country. why labour? because we have a plan to— country. why labour? because we have a plan to take _ country. why labour? because we have a plan to take back our streets, switch — a plan to take back our streets, switch on — a plan to take back our streets, switch on great british energy, get the nhs _ switch on great british energy, get the nhs back on its feet, tear down the nhs back on its feet, tear down the barriers — the nhs back on its feet, tear down the barriers to opportunity and get

britain _ the barriers to opportunity and get britain building again. a partnership with you in pursuit of a new britain— partnership with you in pursuit of a new britain with foundations built to last _ new britain with foundations built to last. the value of hard work restored, _ to last. the value of hard work restored, sticking plasters rejected. the tory era of division, over~ _ rejected. the tory era of division, over a— rejected. the tory era of division, over. a britain standing tall again, tooking _ over. a britain standing tall again, looking forward again, believing again— looking forward again, believing again that tomorrow will be better for your— again that tomorrow will be better for your children. that is our future — for your children. that is our future and _ for your children. that is our future and this year, we get it back — future and this year, we get it back. thank you very much. applause. studio: sur keir starmer giving his first speech of the new year, in what is expected to be an election year. a big call to counter apathy of voters, a message of hope and a call for unity. he described the country instead of despair, despair of a downtrodden country, he said this year the general election gets the understandable despair of a downtrodden country and i will ask the british people to believe in it

again, believe in politics again. i believe he will take some questions from the journalists who were there at the moment. chris mason, bbc news. happy new year to you. you say you are right to be anti—westminster when you are talking to voters and you accuse the conservatives of being cynical and populous. are you not talking down the very institutions, the very thing that you aspire to lead? is that not cheap, irresponsible? trio. i that not cheap, irresponsible? no, i am talkin: that not cheap, irresponsible? no, i am talking un— that not cheap, irresponsible? no, i am talking up the _ that not cheap, irresponsible? no, i am talking up the very _ that not cheap, irresponsible? no, i am talking up the very institutions and the _ am talking up the very institutions and the very politics i believe in. i and the very politics i believe in. i believe — and the very politics i believe in. i believe populism and nationalism thrive _ i believe populism and nationalism thrive on _ i believe populism and nationalism thrive on division and that drives a theme _ thrive on division and that drives a theme of— thrive on division and that drives a theme of anti—westminster, the sense that politicians are simply saying things— that politicians are simply saying things to — that politicians are simply saying things to gain votes, but not believing in what they are saying. i think— believing in what they are saying. i think that — believing in what they are saying. i think that is the cynicism i am pointing — think that is the cynicism i am pointing towards. the choice now,

the next _ pointing towards. the choice now, the next election, is so clear. which — the next election, is so clear. which is _ the next election, is so clear. which is between 14 years of decline and a _ which is between 14 years of decline and a decade of national renewal. and i_ and a decade of national renewal. and i don't— and a decade of national renewal. and i don't think there is almost anyone — and i don't think there is almost anyone across the country who doesn't — anyone across the country who doesn't think we have had 14 years of decline — doesn't think we have had 14 years of decline. when i say that, people don't _ of decline. when i say that, people don't quarrel with me and say you were _ don't quarrel with me and say you were wrong — don't quarrel with me and say you were wrong about that, they know it has been _ were wrong about that, they know it has been decline. what we are offering — has been decline. what we are offering is— has been decline. what we are offering is a decade of national renewat, — offering is a decade of national renewal, a decade to indicate it is going _ renewal, a decade to indicate it is going to _ renewal, a decade to indicate it is going to take time. national because it is a _ going to take time. national because it is a national project and renewal because _ it is a national project and renewal because we — it is a national project and renewal because we want to just not fix the country— because we want to just not fix the country but — because we want to just not fix the country but take the country forward _ country but take the country forward. thank you, chris. beth. thank— forward. thank you, chris. beth. thank you. — forward. thank you, chris. beth. thank you, part of your pitch seems to be to energise apathetic voters, but beyond the rhetoric in that speech, and there was lots of it, when you get to the nuts and bolts of a labour government and public service as you say money is so tight you will not invest. on tax you more

or less eight the tories. we seem to be ditching your one id, which is big money for green investment. your entire pitch seems to be vote labour to see the back of the tories. isn't there a danger the voters will see you, not as a leader of change, but one who is overly cautious and timid and who them off?— and who them off? beth, i think if ou look and who them off? beth, i think if you look at _ and who them off? beth, i think if you look at this _ and who them off? beth, i think if you look at this distinction, - and who them off? beth, i think if you look at this distinction, the i you look at this distinction, the change — you look at this distinction, the change we _ you look at this distinction, the change we are offering and the difference we want to make between 14 years _ difference we want to make between 14 years of _ difference we want to make between 14 years of decline and a decade of national— 14 years of decline and a decade of national renewal, there are two fundamentally different things and underpinning the decade of national renewat~ _ underpinning the decade of national renewal. these are notjust words, i have _ renewal. these are notjust words, i have set _ renewal. these are notjust words, i have set out — renewal. these are notjust words, i have set out over the last 12 months. _ have set out over the last 12 months, five national missions we will seek— months, five national missions we will seek to — months, five national missions we will seek to achieve over the period of the _ will seek to achieve over the period of the next — will seek to achieve over the period of the next labour government. and they are _ of the next labour government. and they are really ambitious. the idea there _

they are really ambitious. the idea there is— they are really ambitious. the idea there is no— they are really ambitious. the idea there is no change, the high sustained growth in the g7 felt with living _ sustained growth in the g7 felt with living standards improved across the country _ living standards improved across the country was — living standards improved across the country was huge. nobody says to me that is— country was huge. nobody says to me that is a _ country was huge. nobody says to me that is a minor difference, it is a huge. _ that is a minor difference, it is a huge. huge _ that is a minor difference, it is a huge, huge difference. clean power try huge, huge difference. clean power by 2030, _ huge, huge difference. clean power by 2030, lower bills, energy security— by 2030, lower bills, energy security and the next generation of jobs _ security and the next generation of jobs. nobody says to me that is no different— jobs. nobody says to me that is no different to the tories. they ask, how witt— different to the tories. they ask, how will you achieve it? when i say we want _ how will you achieve it? when i say we want safer streets, within which we want safer streets, within which we are _ we want safer streets, within which we are committing to having violence against _ we are committing to having violence against women and girls, no government or opposition has ever committed — government or opposition has ever committed to that before. i know from _ committed to that before. i know from my— committed to that before. i know from my work as chief prosecutor, 'ust from my work as chief prosecutor, just how— from my work as chief prosecutor, just how hard that is. nobody says to me _ just how hard that is. nobody says to me that— just how hard that is. nobody says to me that is no difference. if it is the _ to me that is no difference. if it is the opportunities that our children— is the opportunities that our children need, the skills they need, nobody— children need, the skills they need, nobody says that is no different. and whether it is the nhs that is, notjust— and whether it is the nhs that is, notiust on— and whether it is the nhs that is, notjust on its knees, on its face at the _ notjust on its knees, on its face at the moment, picked up a made fit for the _ at the moment, picked up a made fit for the future. nobody says to me that is— for the future. nobody says to me that is no— for the future. nobody says to me

that is no different. these are huge. — that is no different. these are huge, fundamental differences. the power— huge, fundamental differences. the power this— huge, fundamental differences. the power this year is with the voters to vote _ power this year is with the voters to vote for— power this year is with the voters to vote for that change. so i think there _ to vote for that change. so i think there is— to vote for that change. so i think there is a — to vote for that change. so i think there is a huge, clear distinction. we have — there is a huge, clear distinction. we have set out our case in terms. it is we have set out our case in terms. it is very— we have set out our case in terms. it is very clearly the risk of going on with— it is very clearly the risk of going on with 14 — it is very clearly the risk of going on with 14 more years of this decline — on with 14 more years of this decline or— on with 14 more years of this decline or turning our face to the task of— decline or turning our face to the task of national renewal. and that, i task of national renewal. and that, ithink. _ task of national renewal. and that, ithink. is— task of national renewal. and that, ithink. is a — task of national renewal. and that, i think, is a fundamental difference in politics — i think, is a fundamental difference in politics. thank you, beth. it�*irr in politics. thank you, beth. itv news. in politics. thank you, beth. itv news keir— in politics. thank you, beth. iti.i news. keir starmer, you say you want to fight the selection on the economy. this week party slammed the government for raising taxes, including freezing income tax thresholds. if you don't want voters to be cynical then level with them, if you win power, will you unfreeze income tax thresholds?— income tax thresholds? look, startin: income tax thresholds? look, starting from _ income tax thresholds? look, starting from fundamental - income tax thresholds? look, - starting from fundamental principles on this, _ starting from fundamental principles on this, i_ starting from fundamental principles on this, i do want more people to have _ on this, i do want more people to have more — on this, i do want more people to

have more money in their pocket, it is a fundamental principle be started _ is a fundamental principle be started. the question is, how do we -et started. the question is, how do we get to— started. the question is, how do we get to that? — started. the question is, how do we get to that? i am challenged on tax all the _ get to that? i am challenged on tax all the time. the first lever we want _ all the time. the first lever we want to— all the time. the first lever we want to pull, the first place we will go — want to pull, the first place we will go is — want to pull, the first place we will go is growth in the economy. that is— will go is growth in the economy. that is what has been missing for 14 years _ that is what has been missing for 14 years. without growth we won't have the money— years. without growth we won't have the money to run public services, to provide _ the money to run public services, to provide what — the money to run public services, to provide what is desperately needed. that is— provide what is desperately needed. that is why— provide what is desperately needed. that is why we have put all focus on growth _ that is why we have put all focus on growth and — that is why we have put all focus on growth and the economy. where we are --oin growth and the economy. where we are going to _ growth and the economy. where we are going to make adjustments to tax, we have been— going to make adjustments to tax, we have been clear about what that looks _ have been clear about what that looks like — have been clear about what that looks like. we have said what we are going _ looks like. we have said what we are going to _ looks like. we have said what we are going to do _ looks like. we have said what we are going to do with vat and private schools. — going to do with vat and private schools, the non—dom status and the toophotes _ schools, the non—dom status and the loopholes we have. where we are making _ loopholes we have. where we are making adjustments, we are very clear— making adjustments, we are very clear about it. and as pat mcfadden said this _ clear about it. and as pat mcfadden said this morning on the media, any tax cuts _ said this morning on the media, any tax cuts have — said this morning on the media, any tax cuts have to be fair and affordable and we have to be realistic _ affordable and we have to be realistic about that. but i think the place — realistic about that. but i think the place to go is to growth. but the place to go is to growth. but the idea, — the place to go is to growth. but the idea, frankly, that the tories

can tecture — the idea, frankly, that the tories can lecture anybody about tax cuts or tax _ can lecture anybody about tax cuts or tax rises — can lecture anybody about tax cuts or tax rises is now ludicrous. we have _ or tax rises is now ludicrous. we have tyre — or tax rises is now ludicrous. we have tyre tax burden now than at any time since _ have tyre tax burden now than at any time since the second world war. that is— time since the second world war. that is every government, including all those _ that is every government, including all those labour governments. they are in— all those labour governments. they are in absolutely no position and that is— are in absolutely no position and that is why— are in absolutely no position and that is why i said centrally in the speech, — that is why i said centrally in the speech, if— that is why i said centrally in the speech, if they want to fight on economy, — speech, if they want to fight on economy, if they think in some fantasyland this is strong territory for them, — fantasyland this is strong territory for them, they don't realise how much _ for them, they don't realise how much we — for them, they don't realise how much we have turned the tables now. they don't _ much we have turned the tables now. they don't realise how poor card it is for— they don't realise how poor card it is for them — they don't realise how poor card it is for them to play. thank you, pull a channet— is for them to play. thank you, pull a channel 4 — is for them to play. thank you, pull a channel 4-— is for them to play. thank you, pull a channel4. a . . . . a channel4. full mcnamara, channel 1. a channel4. full mcnamara, channel 4 news. a channel4. full mcnamara, channel 4 news where _ a channel4. full mcnamara, channel 4 news. where is _ a channel4. full mcnamara, channel 4 news. where is your _ a channel4. full mcnamara, channel 4 news. where is yourjacket, - 4 news. where is yourjacket, another glitter incident? sorry, they say they don't know what keir starmer government would stand for and the same comes up again in focus groups. i know you say have two pages are policies, but it is two

years on, both labour policy chief, former or whatever and voters don't know what a keir starmer government would stand for, what is it you are getting wrong?— getting wrong? thank you for the cuestion. getting wrong? thank you for the question- last — getting wrong? thank you for the question. last year _ getting wrong? thank you for the question. last year i _ getting wrong? thank you for the question. last year i set - getting wrong? thank you for the question. last year i set out - getting wrong? thank you for the question. last year i set out in i question. last year i set out in more — question. last year i set out in more detail than i think any opposition leader has ever set out before, _ opposition leader has ever set out before, the five driving missions of the next _ before, the five driving missions of the next labour government. i have 'ust the next labour government. i have just been— the next labour government. i have just been through them, the higher growth, _ just been through them, the higher growth, high sustained growth in the g7. growth, high sustained growth in the g7~ there _ growth, high sustained growth in the g7~ there is — growth, high sustained growth in the g7. there is no lack of clarity there. — g7. there is no lack of clarity there. it _ g7. there is no lack of clarity there. it is _ g7. there is no lack of clarity there, it is very clear what that means — there, it is very clear what that means. measured in living standards across— means. measured in living standards across the _ means. measured in living standards across the whole country. nhs, not 'ust across the whole country. nhs, not just off _ across the whole country. nhs, not just off its — across the whole country. nhs, not just off its feet but fit for the future, — just off its feet but fit for the future, no lack of clarity there. i don't _ future, no lack of clarity there. i don't accept what you are talking about _ don't accept what you are talking about the — don't accept what you are talking about. the opportunities young people — about. the opportunities young people need, the skills they need for their— people need, the skills they need for their life and the work they will do — for their life and the work they will do. you cannot say that is ambiguous, i don't understand that. safe streets, having violence against — safe streets, having violence against women and girls, what is ambiguous or unclear about that? and

clean power— ambiguous or unclear about that? and clean power by 2030, this idea of ensuring — clean power by 2030, this idea of ensuring we have lower bills, energy security— ensuring we have lower bills, energy security and — ensuring we have lower bills, energy security and the next generation of jobs _ security and the next generation of jobs there — security and the next generation of jobs. there is no lack of clarity there~ — jobs. there is no lack of clarity there so _ jobs. there is no lack of clarity there so i _ jobs. there is no lack of clarity there. so i believe firmly that we have _ there. so i believe firmly that we have set — there. so i believe firmly that we have set out precisely what we are going _ have set out precisely what we are going to _ have set out precisely what we are going to do. i have also said these will be _ going to do. i have also said these will be our— going to do. i have also said these will be our priority and i have said a number— will be our priority and i have said a number of— will be our priority and i have said a number of times, there will be labour— a number of times, there will be labour things we won't be able to do how we _ labour things we won't be able to do how we wanted and when we wanted. so how we wanted and when we wanted. so how we _ how we wanted and when we wanted. so how we will _ how we wanted and when we wanted. so how we will achieve it and i take your— how we will achieve it and i take your question as an invitation just to repeat — your question as an invitation just to repeat that so hopefully those that still— to repeat that so hopefully those that still claim that we have not been _ that still claim that we have not been clear can have another chance to remind _ been clear can have another chance to remind themselves of all things i have been— to remind themselves of all things i have been saying for many, many months _ have been saying for many, many months now. thank you very much. chris _ months now. thank you very much. chris. , ., , ., , months now. thank you very much. chris. , .,, .,, , �* , chris. christopher hope, gb news. you mention _ chris. christopher hope, gb news. you mention clear _ chris. christopher hope, gb news. you mention clear power _ chris. christopher hope, gb news. you mention clear power by - chris. christopher hope, gb news. you mention clear power by 2030 l chris. christopher hope, gb news. i you mention clear power by 2030 and lower bills, that would mean. how would she fund the 28 billion costs,

from burrowing or taxes. and the darts last night, has luke littler�*s maturity shown that the voting age should be lowered. you maturity shown that the voting age should be lowered.— maturity shown that the voting age should be lowered. you are the first to reach should be lowered. you are the first to preach the _ should be lowered. you are the first to preach the one _ should be lowered. you are the first to preach the one question. - should be lowered. you are the first to preach the one question. on - should be lowered. you are the first| to preach the one question. on clean power. _ to preach the one question. on clean power. the _ to preach the one question. on clean power, the first thing to say is let's— power, the first thing to say is let's be — power, the first thing to say is let's be clear at the mission is, clean _ let's be clear at the mission is, clean power by 2030. that is one of our five _ clean power by 2030. that is one of our five missions and we are determined to achieve it, for all the reasons i have said, because with that — the reasons i have said, because with that comes lower bills, energy security, _ with that comes lower bills, energy security, president putin cannot put his foot _ security, president putin cannot put his foot on — security, president putin cannot put his foot on our throats and with that comes the next generation of jobs _ that comes the next generation of jobs we — that comes the next generation of jobs. we have set out how that will be funded — jobs. we have set out how that will be funded. the money that is needed for the _ be funded. the money that is needed for the investment that is undoubtedly needed, saying the £28

billion— undoubtedly needed, saying the £28 billion will be ramped up in the second — billion will be ramped up in the second half of the parliament, it will be _ second half of the parliament, it will be subject, of course, to any money— will be subject, of course, to any money the — will be subject, of course, to any money the government is already putting _ money the government is already putting in — money the government is already putting in. it will be subject to our fiscal— putting in. it will be subject to our fiscal rules. and that means that if— our fiscal rules. and that means that if the — our fiscal rules. and that means that if the money is for borrowing, which _ that if the money is for borrowing, which it— that if the money is for borrowing, which it will— that if the money is for borrowing, which it will become a borrowing to invest— which it will become a borrowing to invest but — which it will become a borrowing to invest but the fiscal rules don't allow— invest but the fiscal rules don't allow it. — invest but the fiscal rules don't allow it, then we will borrow less. it is allow it, then we will borrow less. it is very— allow it, then we will borrow less. it is very clear. that is why this attack— it is very clear. that is why this attack is — it is very clear. that is why this attack is utterly misconceived on us. attack is utterly misconceived on us it— attack is utterly misconceived on us it is— attack is utterly misconceived on us it is a — attack is utterly misconceived on us. it is a very clear strategy and frankly, — us. it is a very clear strategy and frankly, i— us. it is a very clear strategy and frankly, i think most people understand the argument. it is an everyday— understand the argument. it is an everyday argument that you have to invest _ everyday argument that you have to invest in _ everyday argument that you have to invest in the future and that is what _ invest in the future and that is what we — invest in the future and that is what we will do. it is the lack of investment and the lack of long—term thinking _ investment and the lack of long—term thinking that has put us in the position— thinking that has put us in the position we are enough. we are more exposed _ position we are enough. we are more exposed on _ position we are enough. we are more exposed on the international market when _ exposed on the international market when it— exposed on the international market when it comes to energy, why? because — when it comes to energy, why? because the government didn't take lon- because the government didn't take long term _ because the government didn't take long term but back on the darts,

luke _ long term but back on the darts, luke littler, it has been credible watching — luke littler, it has been credible watching the darts, seeing what he has done — watching the darts, seeing what he has done i— watching the darts, seeing what he has done. i am not going to claim i watch _ has done. i am not going to claim i watch darts — has done. i am not going to claim i watch darts every day, everybody knows _ watch darts every day, everybody knows football is my game. but it has been — knows football is my game. but it has been an electrifying couple of days _ has been an electrifying couple of days i_ has been an electrifying couple of days i am — has been an electrifying couple of days. i am a big has been an electrifying couple of days. iam a big believer has been an electrifying couple of days. i am a big believer in 16—year—olds being able to express their views, — 16—year—olds being able to express theirviews, have 16—year—olds being able to express their views, have their vote and win darts _ their views, have their vote and win darts tournaments. i thought he did brilliantly— darts tournaments. i thought he did brilliantly and everybody is incredibly proud of him as a 16—year—old with real composure as well _ 16—year—old with real composure as well you _ 16—year—old with real composure as well. you know, to do that on that stage _ well. you know, to do that on that stage in— well. you know, to do that on that stage in that wayjust up the road from _ stage in that wayjust up the road from me — stage in that wayjust up the road from me in— stage in that wayjust up the road from me in ali parlay was quite phenomenal. sophie, from the mirror. sophie _ phenomenal. sophie, from the mirror. sophie has _ phenomenal. sophie, from the mirror. sophie has consent from the mirror. if the tories reduce or scrap inheritance tax, it will you reverse this if you get into number ten? fin this if you get into number ten? on inheritance tax, we are fundamentally opposed to what the tories _ fundamentally opposed to what the tories are _ fundamentally opposed to what the

tories are pretending they are going to do _ tories are pretending they are going to do they— tories are pretending they are going to do. they floated this last year, i to do. they floated this last year, ithink~ _ to do. they floated this last year, i think. they are floating it again now and — i think. they are floating it again now and i— i think. they are floating it again now and i don't know whether they are going _ now and i don't know whether they are going to do it. i would have thought— are going to do it. i would have thought by now they would have learnt _ thought by now they would have learnt the lesson that further tax breaks _ learnt the lesson that further tax breaks for — learnt the lesson that further tax breaks for those who are the best off with _ breaks for those who are the best off with nothing for working people is not _ off with nothing for working people is not a _ off with nothing for working people is not a good idea. i don't believe in tax _ is not a good idea. i don't believe in tax breaks for those that are already— in tax breaks for those that are already well off when there is nothing — already well off when there is nothing on offer for working people. so i wouldn't be doing what they are floating, _ so i wouldn't be doing what they are floating, we will wait and see if they— floating, we will wait and see if they actually do it. they have floated — they actually do it. they have floated it _ they actually do it. they have floated it many, many times already. thank— floated it many, many times already. thank you _ floated it many, many times already. thank you. matt from the times. thank— thank you. matt from the times. thank you. — thank you. matt from the times. thank you, immigration is bound to be one of the key issues at the election and i'm not sure you mentioned it once in your speech. i will ask you on illegal migration, you have said you are open to the idea of processing asylum seekers abroad. either by allowing them to claim asylum from abroad or sending them offshore. where would you send

those people who are refused asylum and quickly on illegal migration, this time next year you could be inheriting a policy to increase the family visa income to 38,000, would you keep it or scrap it? fin family visa income to 38,000, would you keep it or scrap it?— you keep it or scrap it? on the cuestion you keep it or scrap it? on the question of— you keep it or scrap it? on the question of what _ you keep it or scrap it? on the question of what we _ you keep it or scrap it? on the question of what we do - you keep it or scrap it? on the question of what we do with i you keep it or scrap it? on the - question of what we do with illegal migration, we have got a problem with the _ migration, we have got a problem with the boats that are coming across — with the boats that are coming across the channel and we need to stop them — across the channel and we need to stop them. nobody should be making that dangerousjourney stop them. nobody should be making that dangerous journey across the channel — that dangerous journey across the channel. the government has lost control— channel. the government has lost control of— channel. the government has lost control of the borders and that is why it _ control of the borders and that is why it is — control of the borders and that is why it is of— control of the borders and that is why it is of such concern to many people _ why it is of such concern to many people in— why it is of such concern to many people in the country. i am open to credible _ people in the country. i am open to credible ways of dealing with that. ithink— credible ways of dealing with that. i think the — credible ways of dealing with that. i think the most credible way of dealing — i think the most credible way of dealing with it are smashing the gangs _ dealing with it are smashing the gangs in — dealing with it are smashing the gangs in the first place. those boats — gangs in the first place. those boats are _ gangs in the first place. those boats are being made now pretty much to order, _ boats are being made now pretty much to order, they are bigger boats, they— to order, they are bigger boats, they are — to order, they are bigger boats, they are being stored in europe and

brought— they are being stored in europe and brought across europe to the north coast _ brought across europe to the north coast of— brought across europe to the north coast of france and being used there — coast of france and being used there. gangs are running this, vile gangs _ there. gangs are running this, vile gangs are — there. gangs are running this, vile gangs are running this. for five years— gangs are running this. for five years i— gangs are running this. for five years i was— gangs are running this. for five years i was chief prosecutor and they— years i was chief prosecutor and they worked with other law enforcement agencies across europe to smash _ enforcement agencies across europe to smash drug smuggling gangs. people _ to smash drug smuggling gangs. people smuggling gangs, terrorist gangs~ _ people smuggling gangs, terrorist gangs~ it— people smuggling gangs, terrorist gangs. it can be done. i refused to accept _ gangs. it can be done. i refused to accept the — gangs. it can be done. i refused to accept the only gang that cannot be broken _ accept the only gang that cannot be broken is _ accept the only gang that cannot be broken is the gang that is running this vile _ broken is the gang that is running this vile trade. and so that would be my— this vile trade. and so that would be my number one, which is stop it in the _ be my number one, which is stop it in the first— be my number one, which is stop it in the first place, put your political _ in the first place, put your political energy into that. i also think. _ political energy into that. i also think. by— political energy into that. i also think, by the way, we should process the claims _ think, by the way, we should process the claims of— think, by the way, we should process the claims of those who are actually here~ _ the claims of those who are actually here most— the claims of those who are actually here. most people would be pretty shocked _ here. most people would be pretty shocked to know that of all those that arrived by small boats in the last year— that arrived by small boats in the last year or— that arrived by small boats in the last year or so, only 1%, less than 1% last year or so, only 1%, less than l% have _ last year or so, only 1%, less than 1% have actually had their claims processed — 1% have actually had their claims processed so the system is fundamentally broken. and then we need to— fundamentally broken. and then we need to have a system for returning those _ need to have a system for returning those who _ need to have a system for returning those who fail to the country that

they came — those who fail to the country that they came from. on the specifics of your question about processing offshore. — your question about processing offshore, there's a difference between _ offshore, there's a difference between processing offshore deporting people to places like luanda — deporting people to places like luanda. and that does happen in some cases— luanda. and that does happen in some cases already. the ukraine scheme has an— cases already. the ukraine scheme has an element of processing offshore _ has an element of processing offshore before people arrive in this country. —— ra wanda. it can be done _ this country. —— ra wanda. it can be done and _ this country. —— ra wanda. it can be done and i— this country. —— ra wanda. it can be done and i am — this country. —— ra wanda. it can be done and i am open to suggestions on credible _ done and i am open to suggestions on credible solutions to what is obviously a problem. but i refused to back— obviously a problem. but i refused to back down from my central proposition that i do not accept you can smash — proposition that i do not accept you can smash drug gangs, terrorist gangs. — can smash drug gangs, terrorist gangs, people smuggling gangs but somehow everybody does not think you can smash _ somehow everybody does not think you can smash the gangs that are running this vile _ can smash the gangs that are running this vile trade in the first place. iwill— this vile trade in the first place. i will never— this vile trade in the first place. i will never accept that and i will continue — i will never accept that and i will continue to maintain that it can be done _ continue to maintain that it can be done and — continue to maintain that it can be done and if— continue to maintain that it can be done and if we have a labour government, we will roll up our sleeves — government, we will roll up our sleeves and put our shoulder to the wheel— sleeves and put our shoulder to the wheel and — sleeves and put our shoulder to the wheel and get on with it. in terms

of the _ wheel and get on with it. in terms of the family visa, something the government is adjusting its position on this— government is adjusting its position on this so— government is adjusting its position on this so we will have to see what they say— on this so we will have to see what they say in— on this so we will have to see what they say in the new year. but i have been _ they say in the new year. but i have been clear. — they say in the new year. but i have been clear. i— they say in the new year. but i have been clear, i hope, that one of the main _ been clear, i hope, that one of the main drivers— been clear, i hope, that one of the main drivers of lawful immigration is the _ main drivers of lawful immigration is the fact— main drivers of lawful immigration is the fact that we don't have the skills— is the fact that we don't have the skills we — is the fact that we don't have the skills we need in this country. if you look— skills we need in this country. if you look at— skills we need in this country. if you look at the rising numbers of work— you look at the rising numbers of work visas, — you look at the rising numbers of work visas, care worker visas the —— that is— work visas, care worker visas the —— that is usually— work visas, care worker visas the —— that is usually through the roof and that is usually through the roof and that is— that is usually through the roof and that is because we don't have a skilled — that is because we don't have a skilled strategy to deal with it. that _ skilled strategy to deal with it. that will— skilled strategy to deal with it. that will have an effect to drive the numbers down, and for good reason _ the numbers down, and for good reason because we should have a skills _ reason because we should have a skills strategy. thank you, harriet from _ skills strategy. thank you, harriet from the — skills strategy. thank you, harriet from the daily mail.— from the daily mail. when the aeneral from the daily mail. when the general election _ from the daily mail. when the general election campaign - from the daily mail. when the - general election campaign comes, will you be prepared to do several head—to—head tv debates with rishi sunak, are you and your aids, as has been reported, keen to dock them?

that report is nonsense. i have been saying _ that report is nonsense. i have been saying bring — that report is nonsense. i have been saying bring it on for a long time. happy_ saying bring it on for a long time. happy to — saying bring it on for a long time. happy to debate any time, happy to be here, _ happy to debate any time, happy to be here, all these events i do i take _ be here, all these events i do i take all— be here, all these events i do i take all the questions from pretty well all— take all the questions from pretty well all the journalists that are here — well all the journalists that are here i— well all the journalists that are here. i don't think anyone can accuse — here. i don't think anyone can accuse me _ here. i don't think anyone can accuse me of ducking scrutiny or debate — accuse me of ducking scrutiny or debate as— accuse me of ducking scrutiny or debate. as i have said many, many times, _ debate. as i have said many, many times, bring— debate. as i have said many, many times, bring it on... applause. chloe. ., applause. chloe. . , ., ., ., chloe. thank you, 'ust to go back to our earl chloe. thank you, 'ust to go back to your early answer — chloe. thank you, just to go back to your early answer on _ chloe. thank you, just to go back to your early answer on income - chloe. thank you, just to go back to your early answer on income tax, i chloe. thank you, just to go back to | your early answer on income tax, you are attacking the tories for freezing income tax thresholds and say labour not set out any changes to personal taxes until you see economic growth? is that correct and what level of growth will be talking? what level of growth will be talkin: ? ~ . what level of growth will be talkina? ~ . . what level of growth will be talkina? . . ., , talking? what i have said, chloe, is that before — talking? what i have said, chloe, is that before we _ talking? what i have said, chloe, is that before we get _ talking? what i have said, chloe, is that before we get to _ talking? what i have said, chloe, is that before we get to the _ talking? what i have said, chloe, is that before we get to the question | that before we get to the question of tax. _ that before we get to the question of tax. we — that before we get to the question of tax, we have got to grow the economy — of tax, we have got to grow the economy i_ of tax, we have got to grow the economy. i know that might be slightly— economy. i know that might be slightly different to what some labour — slightly different to what some labour leaders have said in the past _ labour leaders have said in the past that _

labour leaders have said in the past. that we have gone traditionally to spend or to tax. i think— traditionally to spend or to tax. i think we — traditionally to spend or to tax. i think we have got to grow the economy— think we have got to grow the economy and it has got to be measured in living standards across the country — measured in living standards across the country. i am not going to put a percentage — the country. i am not going to put a percentage on that, we desperately need to— percentage on that, we desperately need to turn the situation around because — need to turn the situation around because the economy has been flat for 14— because the economy has been flat for 14 years and that means people's rages— for 14 years and that means people's rages have _ for 14 years and that means people's rages have not risen significantly for 14— rages have not risen significantly for 14 years and everyone is feeling the pinch _ for 14 years and everyone is feeling the pinch on the cost of living crisis~ — the pinch on the cost of living crisis. before we get to the question— crisis. before we get to the question of tax we have got to deal with the _ question of tax we have got to deal with the economy. that is not to say there _ with the economy. that is not to say there won't— with the economy. that is not to say there won't be changes to tax, but where _ there won't be changes to tax, but where there are to be changes, we will set _ where there are to be changes, we will set them out, as we have done in the _ will set them out, as we have done in the examples i gave earlier. 0bviously— in the examples i gave earlier. obviously we have another fiscal event _ obviously we have another fiscal event before the election and we need _ event before the election and we need to— event before the election and we need to see what the situation is there _ need to see what the situation is there but — need to see what the situation is there. but in principle, i do want to see _ there. but in principle, i do want to see lower taxes on working people. — to see lower taxes on working people. i_ to see lower taxes on working people, i want people to have more money— people, i want people to have more money in _ people, i want people to have more money in their pocket. but the first lever— money in their pocket. but the first lever we _ money in their pocket. but the first lever we will pull is the growth lever— lever we will pull is the growth lever because in the end that is the only way— lever because in the end that is the only way to — lever because in the end that is the only way to get the money we need to fund our— only way to get the money we need to fund our public services. steph at the express.

fund our public services. steph at the “press— the express. you have been on a 'ourne the express. you have been on a journey over _ the express. you have been on a journey over transit _ the express. you have been on a journey over transit rights, - the express. you have been on a journey over transit rights, so i the express. you have been on a| journey over transit rights, so our single sex faces 100% guaranteed under a labour government? yes. i have been — under a labour government? yes. i have been really _ under a labour government? yes. i have been really clear _ under a labour government? yes. i have been really clear and - have been really clear and unwavering on this. from my time as chief— unwavering on this. from my time as chief prosecutor i worked with a whole _ chief prosecutor i worked with a whole bunch of people on violence against _ whole bunch of people on violence against women and girls. i saw myself, — against women and girls. i saw myself, for my own observations, 'ust myself, for my own observations, just how— myself, for my own observations, just how important it is. that has never— just how important it is. that has never been — just how important it is. that has never been an issue for me. i was persuaded — never been an issue for me. i was persuaded of that many, many years a-o. persuaded of that many, many years ago i_ persuaded of that many, many years ago iwas— persuaded of that many, many years ago. i was doing that work in 2008 to 2015 _ ago. i was doing that work in 2008 to 2013. thank you very much. jim from _ to 2013. thank you very much. jim from the _ to 2013. thank you very much. jim from the ft — to 2013. thank you very much. jim from the ft-_ from the ft. you have been very clear that _ from the ft. you have been very clear that you — from the ft. you have been very clear that you believe _ from the ft. you have been very clear that you believe the - from the ft. you have been very clear that you believe the green | clear that you believe the green prosperity plan is an investment in the future. but the plan has been through changes and scope and changes in timing this year, it has been reduced in size and will be

delayed somewhat. can you guarantee this plan will not go through further changes or further watering down before the election and if you will excuse me, the ft did a report this summer on a jp report suggested that peter mandelson had stayed at the new york town house ofjeffrey epstein in 2009 when he was defective deputy prime minister and while the financier was imprisoned for soliciting prostitution from a minor. do you think lord mandelson, a close political ally of yours has some questions to answer? let me first ush some questions to answer? let me first push back — some questions to answer? let me first push back on _ some questions to answer? let me first push back on the _ some questions to answer? let me first push back on the first - some questions to answer? let me first push back on the first part i some questions to answer? let me first push back on the first part of l first push back on the first part of your question. there is no question on pushing — your question. there is no question on pushing back the mission as clean power— on pushing back the mission as clean power by— on pushing back the mission as clean power by 2030. nobody is pushing back on— power by 2030. nobody is pushing back on that and nobody is saying we want a _ back on that and nobody is saying we want a later— back on that and nobody is saying we want a later date, or 50% clean power. — want a later date, or 50% clean power. i— want a later date, or 50% clean power, i have been clear from the start— power, i have been clear from the start what— power, i have been clear from the start what the mission is and there is no _ start what the mission is and there is no pushing back on that. obviously we have looked carefully at the _ obviously we have looked carefully at the investment needed for that.

the investment we want to put in is intended _ the investment we want to put in is intended to — the investment we want to put in is intended to trigger private investment at a ratio of one to three — investment at a ratio of one to three we _ investment at a ratio of one to three. we have an extensive discussions with global investors as to how— discussions with global investors as to how that will work. the date that the check is written is not _ the date that the check is written is not the — the date that the check is written is not the date did mission is delivered _ is not the date did mission is delivered. obviously, we have pushed back the _ delivered. obviously, we have pushed back the ramping up to £28 billion, it doesn't— back the ramping up to £28 billion, it doesn't mean there is nothing before _ it doesn't mean there is nothing before that, it is ramped up to £28 million _ before that, it is ramped up to £28 million subject to the money the government may already be pulling in. government may already be pulling in and _ government may already be pulling in~ and to— government may already be pulling in. and to our fiscal rules. but that— in. and to our fiscal rules. but that is— in. and to our fiscal rules. but that isiust _ in. and to our fiscal rules. but that isjust sensible investment. looking — that isjust sensible investment. looking at — that isjust sensible investment. looking at the changes since we first announced this in the cost of debt, _ first announced this in the cost of debt, and — first announced this in the cost of debt, and looking at the practicalities, now we are in quite intensive — practicalities, now we are in quite intensive discussions with the partners _ intensive discussions with the partners that we hope to deliver with about what can be done when, what needs—

with about what can be done when, what needs to be tackled first. so for