diplomatic efforts to bring an end to the war in gaza continue, with the eu's top diplomat josep borell in beirut, warning against a widening of the conflict. he spoke shortly after the lebanese militia hezbollah fired dozens of rockets into northern israel. police in london confirm they're investigating potential fraud offences in relation to the wrongful prosecution of hundreds of sub—post masters by the post office. downing street files seen by the bbc suggest that uk prime minister rishi sunak had serious doubts about the uk government's rwanda migration policy when he was chancellor of the exchequer. the papers indicate that his view in early 2022 was that it would not stop the channel crossings. now on bbc news, the arts interviews: sir anthony hopkins.

30 seconds to on air! 0k, and you are just here. couldn't i sit farther back? sir anthony hopkins playing an ordinary man with an extraordinary story. sir nicholas winton was just 29 in 1938 when he embarked on a campaign to bring hundreds of refugee children from prague to london. for 50 years, he didn't talk about his efforts until they were revealed by the bbc tv programme that's life. if they hadn't been rescued and brought over to england, these children would have been killed by the nazis. i'm the bbc�*s culture editor, katie razzall, and for this edition of the arts interviews, i interrupted sir anthony's busy filming schedule to talk to him about his role in one life. is everybody happy? are you happy, sir anthony? yes. tony. i think this whole story has affected me and has actually stayed with me throughout the whole

of my life, really. i also speak to the younger nicky winton actor, johnny flynn... the experience of making it will never leave me. ..and 90—year—old renate collins, whose life was saved by nicholas winton. i'm assuming that's you. that's me. if it's not faith that drives you, what is it? ethics. this is sir nicholas winton being interviewed on the bbc�*s hardtalk programme in 2014 when he was 105. love, honesty, decency... ..ethics. that standard of life. i believe in ethics. and if everybody believes in ethics, we'd have no problems at all.

26 years earlier, another bbc programme, that's life, thrust him into the spotlight after it was handed a wartime scrapbook. that tv show told the true story of how nicholas winton had saved the lives of 669 mainly jewish children. so we told her about him. she said... "i tried very hard to find out who had rescued us. "i even tried the archbishop of canterbury to see if he knew. "but i drew a blank. "i would very much like to meet nicholas winton to thank him "for saving my life. "if it hadn't been for this man, i wouldn't be here "to tell the tale." vera gissing is with us here tonight. hello, vera. and i should tell you that you are actually sitting next to nicholas winton. hello. applause hello. that story has gone from the small screen to the big

in the feature film one life. thank you. as i'm now, when i was playing him — how old was i then? — i was in my, yeah, mid 80s, so i didn't have to act old — i am old. personally, it meant something to me in a different way because i'm old enough to have remembered the war and remembered the holocaust. i was born in 1937, the end of �*37, and i was 18 months old when war broke out, and when neville chamberlain declared war on adolf hitler. and so i remember the remnants of the war from about 1942 onwards, the bombing of swansea, and all that sort of thing, and the air raids. so, i rememberthose first newsreel films and they showed the first signs, the first camps, bergen—belsen. and then years later, the russians released auschwitz and dachau and...

and, er, yeah. hello. i'm sorry. i haven't got anything. oh, wait, hold on a moment. chocolate. there we go. actorjohnny flynn plays the young nicholas winton, who was a london city stockbroker when he visited prague in 1938. there he found hundreds of refugees, many of whom had been pushed out of germany and austria by the nazis. he was shocked by the conditions they were living in and feared for their future with hitler closing in. and so he headed a campaign to bring the children from prague to london. baby cries i'm sorry. i'll... i'll bring more another day. baby screams she pleads

being in prague and trying to recreate these harrowing scenes in refugee camps and at the refugee office that he worked in with a tiny team watching people play the parents of children and they're sending their children off and seeing them, kind of, families wrenched apart and knowing what happened to the parents, you get a glimpse into what he would have felt. we are moving the children. in big groups, by train. that's a two—day trip, - which would mean crossing holland and the dutch have shut their borders - tojewish refugees. and they'd have to cross germany. yes, but they'd only be passing through and on british visas. with british foster parents waiting. well, that is if you can find british foster parents. - there are 1,000 - children on that list. the welcome may not be as warm as you're all imagining. _ god bless nicholas winton and all people who tried. you know, it's like viktor frankl in man's search for meaning inspired people to survive.

don't give in to death. one child who did survive the journey was renate collins, who was put onto a train for london. that's me, innocent little five—year—old. this actually is a legal visa. a lot of the children came with visas without the perforations there. that was ripped off a sheet. some came with illegal ones with no perforations. and if you notice, they've got the swastika on the back. 0h. the germans wanted us to go, look. wow. i had a temperature of 104 and chicken pox, and my mother didn't want to put me on the train. and our doctor said, "if you don't put her on this train, she'll never go."

and do you remember saying goodbye to your mother? oh, i remember, yes, because i was so poorly. but only one parent was allowed on the platform. and before the train went out, i rememberthe german soldiers were in a line. and theyjust lined up and kept the parents from going near the train. but on the film, it shows the parents going right up to the carriages. we are working to evacuate these children by train to safety in britain. why are you doing this, mr winton? to secure the children's visas, winton and his team had to find foster families for them before they came to britain. well, i'd written a letter via my mother, which my mother had quite good english, that if they didn't have any spinach in england, and plenty of ice cream, i could be a very good girl.

because you didn't like spinach? but there wasn't much ice cream during the war anyway! so i don't know. but i only knew two words of english — yes and no. so how difficult? how quickly did you learn? that's difficult. when do you say yes and when you say no? renate�*s mother and grandmother was shot dead while being transferred between concentration camps. herfather and uncle died in auschwitz. in total, she lost 64 members of her family during the war. so this was from a concentration camp? it doesn't say which concentration camp, but i think terezin was the concentration camp where they went to first and then they were distributed all over the place afterwards. what does it say? "many birthday wishes. we think continually of you. "are well, hope you, too. much love, kind regards,

"and thanks to your foster parents." and you see, my foster parent tried to... "many thanks for birthday greetings." and then he had got confirmed that he couldn't reply. it was too late, so... renate was on the last train to leave prague. the next train, the ninth, was due to leave on the day world war ii was declared and the borders closed. 251 children were on the train ready to leave for great britain when they were stopped by the nazis. announcement: london, liverpool street. _ the last train and all the others that he would have organised after that point didn't leave. for him, it was a tragedy, and he almost can't admit to himself what he knows to be true, which is what happened to those children. and i think only two of them survived the war. so, that was a deep shame that he had to overcome. and so it was a lovely thing for him to meet the children as adults.

we asked as many as possible of these grown—up children to get in touch with us, so they'd have the chance to thank mr winton personally. can i ask, is there anyone in our audience tonight who owes their life to nicholas winton? if so, could you stand up, please? after the first that's life episode featuring sir nicholas winton�*s story aired in 1988, dozens more survivors got in touch with the programme. sir nicholas was invited back to the studio, and this time the audience included many more of the children from the prague trains and their descendants. from this moment on, they called themselves nicky's children, and renate was one of them. applause tv clip: ..mr winton personally. renate: here's me. tv clip: can i ask, is there anyone in our audience tonight _ who owes their life to nicholas winton? and you'd never met him at this point? no, never. no. tv clip: in the meantime, mr winton. .. _ we often wondered

who had brought us. and of course, then, there were 40 of us came up to that show. and of course, since then, we've done all sorts of things with him, you know? and what kind of a man was he, in your experience? he was very introverted. he didn't want anybody to know, actually. he didn't want any accolade. do you ever think about the children and what happened to them? yes. yes, i do from time to time. do you? no, not really. well, maybe a little, recently. it is incredible what you achieved. oh, i don't think of it that way. no, no, no, no.j i mean it, truly. i mean, you should be proud. save one life, save i the world, you know? well, it's nothing to brag about. i mean, look at doreen and trevor. they did far more than i did. they took all the risks.

they actually stayed in prague. you know, nicky, telling people isn't bragging. i i admired his sense of anonymity. he didn't want to be exposed or revealed. i think he was quite a remarkable man because of his humility. and so... i'd seen that bbc documentary with esther rantzen just some years ago, and i admired his low—key presentation, how he was baffled by esther rantzen�*s revelation of his work and his eagerness to give credit to the other people, who were the kindertrain people, who organised the children's escape from prague. cutting! like sir nicholas, sir anthony was also kept in the dark about the film's that's life studio audience. he was not told until hours before filming that the scene's extras were, in fact,

the descendants and relatives of the original refugee children. thank you very much. well done. _ oh, god. it's too much. so you lost family in the holocaust? ancestors. we lost family, ancestors. quite an event. you know, we can overstate and it becomes very dramatic, but it was quite an event seeing them all there and knowing that some of them were the grandchildren and maybe the children as well of the survivors. it was really quite an emotional moment. i suppose with nicky, his thing that anthony captures so well is he shrugs off and he prays and he's incredibly humble. he didn't tell anyone what he'd done in the '305 until years later, when the story was sort of dragged out of him and the scrapbook was found and he went on that's life.

he had to be kind of duped into going onto it. it's estimated that there are 6,000 people alive today because of the prague rescue. none of them would have known of sir nicholas and his team's involvement in that rescue had it not been for a scrapbook which documented the details of all the children needing to be saved. this is a copy of the original scrapbook.

wow. i mean, it looks incredibly real to me. yeah, it's incredible to have it all in one place. wow. this is the list of people, yeah, who were going to make it, hopefully. and the houses that they were going to. and you can see, like, swapping things around. they had to make the difficult decision to split up siblings, i think. yeah. the scrapbook is now housed at yad vashem, israel's holocaust museum. here in london, the wiener holocaust library holds the uk's most extensive collection of holocaust material, and in amongst its archive are the heartbreaking letters sent by renate's family. she donated all her documents to this library. the tragic thing is that we don't seem to learn and, all politics apart and religions apart, and so on, it's very interesting because winton said something so interesting,

which i responded to. he was interviewed, i think, by an american journalist. he said, "do you believe in god?" and he said, "well, nazi germany was playing for god. "britain was praying for god, for peace. so where's god?" and the otherjournalist asked him, "do you see any hope for the future?" he said, "no, none at all." startling. and he was very dogmatic. he said, "no, no hope for us, unless we learn to compromise, "unless we learn to listen to the other question, "the other side. "otherwise, there is no hope." there are children here living in fields, in the open, in mud. the worst of winter's still to come and under the threat of nazi invasion. i have seen this and i cannot unsee it. and because i may be able to do

something about it... ..i must...at least try. the task you propose - requires money and visas. i don't have them...yet. there's a scene in which he's asked why he wants to help the children and if he'sjewish, and he says, "there are children living in the open, winter yet to come." i know from reading the accounts that it was really hard to get people, because there was mostly jewish refugees, but there were communists and various other groups as well. and to get their kind of spokespeople to hand over the lists of names so that you could actually get in touch with these people and find out who needed to be taken out of the country was really hard because they'd been, you know, knocked back and forth. they'd been on the run for a long time. and thenjust before the story

starts, the allied governments have handed over the sudetenland to hitler as a kind of an act of appeasement, and then he ignores the agreement. so they're naturally mistrustful, basically. and i think that's what... so the rabbi is sort of saying, what's your interest in these people? and it's a lovely chance for nicky to spell out who he really is, which is — i love that scene — he says, "i see myself as a european, as a human being, "and i see fellow human beings in distress." and he doesn't see borders and barriers and differences in race and religion. he just sees children that need rescuing. the prague route wasjust one of a network used to save an estimated 10,000 children from mainland europe. this commemorative service organised by the association ofjewish refugees was held at london's liverpool street station in december on the 85th anniversary of the first kindertransport. to all who lost their lives.

alexandra greensted was just seven when she arrived here from prague weeks before the start of the second world war. at 92, she still remembers sir nicholas winton. oh, he's wonderful. he was the most wonderful, generous, helpful... you couldn't say enough about him. also at the event was one of sir nicholas�*s actual children, his son nick. he believes one life has captured his father's story brilliantly. it's based on my sister's book, which is true to life, with a few little creative licences. but sir anthony hopkins, boy, at times i would swear that that's my father in the room. it's just extraordinary how he's captured all the little details. i'm talking to you from the wiener holocaust library, which is the uk's holocaust library of record. it feels like an important place

to speak to you from. we've also been speaking to some of the survivors and also his son, who said of your portrayal of his father, he told us, "at times, i would swear that's my father in the room." well, i watched various documentaries on him. i come from a different background, different nationa... i'm welsh. but ijust made those translations or transitions. but i watched him very carefully and, as i say, i was impressed by his modesty, his humility. i'm just a cipher. i'm just the kind of actor who just portrays it, but, no, thank nicholas winton. when i was clearing out all the papers, i came across that old scrapbook from prague. do you remember that? i do, yes. you're not throwing that out? no. i think it could be quite an important note of record in its way. you know, full of history we should learn from.

it is. look, maybe the wiener archive might like it in london. - yeah. but what is tragic is this whole wave of prejudice building again. and i think in the human brain, we'rejust stuck. there's something stuck in us where we cannot move forward. and i was doing some research and there was a letter, but there was a documentary statement by commandant hoss of auschwitz, and he described how, you know, "well, i wasjust doing my duty." ha. it's just so grotesque. "i was just doing my duty. "i was doing what..." "it was goebbels who was to blame. "hitler was to blame. himmler was to blame." but we were all responsible. we turned a blind eye. and it is an immense tragedy.

life on any side of a conflict is a tragedy. one child's death is a tragedy on both sides. so, what are we to do? my only feeling is that nicholas winton was right. maybe they should put that as like a big brother peace sign. let us compromise. let's compromise. winton had no sentimentality about it. he didn't want to be regarded as a hero. he just hoped that we would learn from it. you don't think we have, is what i'm gathering from that conversation? well, i do. i think we can have. i mean, fortunately, i've been around a long time. so, i remember the end of the war. and i remember standing in trafalgar square with cnd, campaign for nuclear disarmament, november 1961. and bertrand russell was standing there with a microphone,

he was very old, and he said, "if you're all alive next year, you'll all be very lucky." well, that was 61 years ago. so we weren't nuked. but there is an insanity in us. how can we do what we do? and we all are there. we can march and we can say and we can protest. we point one finger, there'll be pointing three back at ourselves. we are the human beast. and it is a tragedy, but it's the human tragedy. it's quite extraordinary. and i think there's some... i didn't realise how much this film meant to me until, you know, your question. and because it is part of my life, really. i mean, i was never involved in, you know... but i was around, i was a boy. i was growing up. it's good to see you. good to see you. we interviewed johnny flynn. he said — you know, meeting you, for him,

was clearly, really important. clearly sort of meeting one of his heroes as a young actor. did you have people like that when you were young that you met, that you looked up to in the way thatjohnny flynn looked up to you? oh, yes. peter o'toole, i rememberseeing him at the bristol old vic playing jimmy porter. ten years later, he was playing my father in lion in winter. and laurence olivier, i worked with him. my life has unfolded in a way which is beyond my — i couldn't have organised anything like that. i couldn't have dreamed that up. but i've been the most fortunate person in the world. the funny thing, now, at 86 years of age and facing, you know, the inevitable, and i feel more at peace with that than i've ever done, is the fact that i can't really take credit for any of it. my life is a complete mystery to me. i don't even know why i act. so when any young actor says, "how do you do it?", i say, "i don't know. "learn your lines, show up and don't

bump into the furniture!" but use compassion. compassion. thanks so much. what a treat. compassion, a quality that sir nicholas winton also had in abundance. well, you can see now from our conversation, there was nothing heroic about it. it'sjust a question of organisational work.

hello there. for many, it's been a much drier day to day with some sunshine. but again, there are still around 200 flood warnings in force because all the rain that we've had is still making its way through the major river system. so for more detail, you can check out the website. but actually the drier weather is here for a while now. it will feel colder as it has done today and we will have some frost and some lingering fog like we had today in cumbria. and thatjust thickens up again this evening and overnight under the high pressure. but the high pressure is going to be responsible for the drier weather. it's blocking these weather systems from bringing their rain in off the atlantic. but it's not altogether dry. there have been quite a number of showers, which will continue to diminish for most this evening and overnight, although we may pick up more across east anglia and the south—east and they could fall as sleet or snow over the higher ground here, it's certainly going

to be cold enough. widespread frost, and of course, because it's been so damp, so wet, there'll be quite a few issues with ice, i should imagine. and certainly first thing sunday morning along with the fog. so potentially some freezing fog around. still quite a keen breeze up in the north of scotland and more of a breeze compared with today in the south and the east. one or two wintry showers around, but they should be easing, one or two showers to the east as well, but fewer further west. that's when we'll see the lengthier spells of sunshine. but it's not going to help our temperatures much, actually. it'll feel chilly wherever you are, and obviously it will be accentuated by that keen breeze. it's going to be picking up more so today across east anglia in the southeast. but then it's a return to frost and fog then through tomorrow night into the start of monday. and that cold air, that high pressure just hangs on this week. but that increasing wind across the southern half of the uk in particular preventing as many fog issues across the far south and the east, butjust making it feel colder still. and temperatures are dropping lower by night, so they're not going to rise as much by day.

and you can see starting to get a bit polluted with some fog around here and there. so we will see some lingering fog as we go through the coming few days. tuesday is a similar set up, although by then that brisk wind may just lift a bit more of the cloud in the south. so we might see a bit more sunshine on tuesday across southern and central areas, perhaps a bit more cloud coming and going further north. but it's drier right across the board. and that drier weather looks set to last through much of the coming week. temperatures may recoverjust a little bit towards the end of the week, but it's dry. bye— bye.

live from london, this is bbc news: alaska airlines grounds boeing 737 max 9 planes after a section of fuselage including a window broke off mid—air, forcing an emergency landing. diplomatic efforts to bring an end to the war in gaza continue, with the eu's chief diplomat warning against a widening of the conflict. it is imperative to avoid regional escalation in the middle east. police in london confirm they're investigating potential fraud offences in relation to the wrongful prosecution of hundreds of sub—post masters by the post office. i'm lucy grey. hello. we start with drama on an alaskan airlines flight in america — which had to make an emergency landing after a part of the fuselage broke off in mid air.

despite the issues, no—one was hurt and everyone