' the �*the bbc because they might work for the bbc or who _ because they might work for the bbc or who were helping to get out, not to come _ or who were helping to get out, not to come to — or who were helping to get out, not to come to britain necessarily but to come to britain necessarily but to carry _ to come to britain necessarily but to carry on — to come to britain necessarily but to carry on their work from egypt or elsewhere — to carry on their work from egypt or elsewhere. can to carry on their work from egypt or elsewhere. l, , l, , to carry on their work from egypt or elsewhere-— to carry on their work from egypt or elsewhere. ., y., , ,, . . ., elsewhere. can you be specific about the number — elsewhere. can you be specific about the number of _ elsewhere. can you be specific about the number of uk _ elsewhere. can you be specific about the number of uk nationals - elsewhere. can you be specific about the number of uk nationals who - the number of uk nationals who remain? . the number of uk nationals who remain? , ., ., �* , remain? yes, there are two british nationals. there _ remain? yes, there are two british nationals. there are _ remain? yes, there are two british nationals. there are two _ remain? yes, there are two british nationals. there are two british - nationals. there are two british nationals— nationals. there are two british nationals that remain as hostages. i don't _ nationals that remain as hostages. i don't want _ nationals that remain as hostages. i don't want to make any further comment— don't want to make any further comment on them. there are also of coursem _ comment on them. there are also of coursem 00— comment on them. there are also of course... ~ ., y comment on them. there are also of course... ~ ., , . . course... do we know they are alive? i 'ust course... do we know they are alive? ijust don't — course... do we know they are alive? i just don't want _ course... do we know they are alive? i just don't want to _ course... do we know they are alive? i just don't want to say _ course... do we know they are alive? i just don't want to say any _ course... do we know they are alive? i just don't want to say any more. - ijust don't want to say any more. we don't — ijust don't want to say any more. we don't have any information to share _ we don't have any information to share with — we don't have any information to share with you. there are also, of course, _ share with you. there are also, of course, people very connected to britain _ we are doing everything we can to help in_ we are doing everything we can to help in those cases. how we are doing everything we can to help in those cases.— help in those cases. how many hostaaes help in those cases. how many hostages have _ help in those cases. how many hostages have we _ help in those cases. how many hostages have we managed - help in those cases. how many hostages have we managed to | help in those cases. how many i hostages have we managed to get help in those cases. how many - hostages have we managed to get back to the uk? n

hostages have we managed to get back to the uk? ., �* . , to the uk? i don't have the figures ofthe to the uk? i don't have the figures of the to - to the uk? i don't have the figures of the tap of _ to the uk? i don't have the figures of the tap of my — to the uk? i don't have the figures of the top of my head. _ to the uk? i don't have the figures of the top of my head. there - to the uk? i don't have the figures i of the top of my head. there were... i will have _ of the top of my head. there were... i will have to — of the top of my head. there were... i will have to write to you about it. i i will have to write to you about it i don't — i will have to write to you about it. i don't want to give a false figure — it. i don't want to give a false fiaure. ~ . �* it. i don't want to give a false firure, . ., �* it. i don't want to give a false fiaure. ~ . �* . it. i don't want to give a false fiuure.~ . �* . ':: :: :: figure. we aren't looking at 1000 eo - le figure. we aren't looking at 1000 --eole we figure. we aren't looking at 1000 people we aren't _ figure. we aren't looking at 1000 people we aren't sure _ figure. we aren't looking at 1000 people we aren't sure about. - figure. we aren't looking at 1000| people we aren't sure about. how many— people we aren't sure about. how many british _ people we aren't sure about. how many british nationals _ people we aren't sure about. how many british nationals have - people we aren't sure about. how many british nationals have been| many british nationals have been brought— many british nationals have been brought back_ many british nationals have been brought back you _ many british nationals have been brought back you were _ many british nationals have been brought back you were hostagesl many british nationals have been- brought back you were hostages held by hamas? _ brought back you were hostages held b hamas? . . . brought back you were hostages held b hamas? , . , ., ~ brought back you were hostages held b hamas? , . , . ,, ., by hamas? israel is taking the lead in conjunction _ by hamas? israel is taking the lead in conjunction with _ by hamas? israel is taking the lead in conjunction with international - in conjunction with international partners to secure the release of hostages. we have been acting in support of that. i don't think the question, how many have the uk brought back to the uk is right. by, brought back to the uk is right. a few of us met in doha, the us

spokesman _ few of us met in doha, the us spokesman can— few of us met in doha, the us spokesman can tell— few of us met in doha, the us spokesman can tell me - few of us met in doha, the us spokesman can tell me all- few of us met in doha, the us spokesman can tell me all of. few of us met in doha, the us . spokesman can tell me all of the hostages, — spokesman can tell me all of the hostages, their— spokesman can tell me all of the hostages, their names, - spokesman can tell me all of the hostages, their names, let- spokesman can tell me all of the| hostages, their names, let alone spokesman can tell me all of the i hostages, their names, let alone in venice _ hostages, their names, let alone in venice sueita, _ hostages, their names, let alone in venice suella, and _ hostages, their names, let alone in venice suella, and he _ hostages, their names, let alone in venice suella, and he can- hostages, their names, let alone in venice suella, and he can tell- hostages, their names, let alone in venice suella, and he can tell me l venice suella, and he can tell me those _ venice suella, and he can tell me those back— venice suella, and he can tell me those back to _ venice suella, and he can tell me those back to the _ venice suella, and he can tell me those back to the us. _ venice suella, and he can tell me those back to the us. how - venice suella, and he can tell me those back to the us. how manyi venice suella, and he can tell me - those back to the us. how many have been brought— those back to the us. how many have been brought back— those back to the us. how many have been brought back to _ those back to the us. how many have been brought back to the _ those back to the us. how many have been brought back to the uk - those back to the us. how many have been brought back to the uk who - those back to the us. how many have been brought back to the uk who had| been brought back to the uk who had uk citizenship? — been brought back to the uk who had uk citizenship?— uk citizenship? there are two, others connected _ uk citizenship? there are two, others connected with - uk citizenship? there are two, others connected with the - uk citizenship? there are two, others connected with the uk i uk citizenship? there are two, - others connected with the uk through family ties. they were brought back... i family ties. they were brought back... ., �* ., , ., back... i don't care who brought them back- _ back. .. i don't care who brought them back- i— back... i don't care who brought them back. i care _ back... i don't care who brought them back. i care about - back... i don't care who brought them back. i care about britishl them back. i care about british nationals. _ them back. i care about british nationals, how— them back. i care about british nationals, how many _ them back. i care about british nationals, how many were - them back. i care about british- nationals, how many were brought back? _ nationals, how many were brought back? i— nationals, how many were brought back? ., �* ~' . nationals, how many were brought back? ., �* ~ . . , nationals, how many were brought back? ~ . . , | back? i don't think there are any. i think that is _ back? i don't think there are any. i think that is right. _ back? i don't think there are any. i think that is right. i _ back? i don't think there are any. i think that is right. i will _ back? i don't think there are any. i think that is right. i will say - back? i don't think there are any. i think that is right. i will say from l think that is right. i will say from our discussions, _ think that is right. i will say from our discussions, we _ think that is right. i will say from our discussions, we know- think that is right. i will say from - our discussions, we know citizenship isn't taken _ our discussions, we know citizenship isn't taken into— our discussions, we know citizenship isn't taken into account. _ our discussions, we know citizenship isn't taken into account. many - isn't taken into account. many others — isn't taken into account. many others hoped _ isn't taken into account. many others hoped that _ isn't taken into account. many others hoped that maybe - isn't taken into account. many . others hoped that maybe foreign nationais— others hoped that maybe foreign nationals would _ others hoped that maybe foreign nationals would be _ others hoped that maybe foreign

nationals would be the _ others hoped that maybe foreign nationals would be the first - others hoped that maybe foreign nationals would be the first to i others hoped that maybe foreign| nationals would be the first to be reieased~ — nationals would be the first to be released. there _ nationals would be the first to be released. there are _ nationals would be the first to be released. there are no _ nationals would be the first to be released. there are no british. released. there are no british nationais— released. there are no british nationals being _ released. there are no british nationals being held - released. there are no british nationals being held by- released. there are no british. nationals being held by hamas, released. there are no british- nationals being held by hamas, and i understand _ nationals being held by hamas, and i understand why — nationals being held by hamas, and i understand why you _ nationals being held by hamas, and i understand why you can't _ nationals being held by hamas, and i understand why you can't share - nationals being held by hamas, and i understand why you can't share howl understand why you can't share how many. _ understand why you can't share how many. but _ understand why you can't share how many, but no — understand why you can't share how many. but no one _ understand why you can't share how many, but no one has— understand why you can't share how many, but no one has been- understand why you can't share how many, but no one has been broughti many, but no one has been brought home _ many, but no one has been brought home as _ many, but no one has been brought home as yet? — many, but no one has been brought home as yet?— home as yet? that is right. one of the thins home as yet? that is right. one of the things i _ home as yet? that is right. one of the things i did _ home as yet? that is right. one of the things i did was _ home as yet? that is right. one of the things i did was to _ home as yet? that is right. one of the things i did was to make - home as yet? that is right. one of the things i did was to make sure l home as yet? that is right. one of l the things i did was to make sure we are saying. _ the things i did was to make sure we are saying, yes, we must make sure we do _ are saying, yes, we must make sure we do everything possible, but there are people _ we do everything possible, but there are people who are deeply connected, sister— are people who are deeply connected, sister of. _ are people who are deeply connected, sister of, brother of, and we must do everything we can for them. when you look— do everything we can for them. when you took at— do everything we can for them. when you look at that category, there are peopie _ you look at that category, there are people connected who have been released — people connected who have been released. then you are getting into how many— released. then you are getting into how many different connections there are. how many different connections there are the _ how many different connections there are. the british nationals, two, non-have — are. the british nationals, two, non—have been release. one are. the british nationals, two, non-have been release. one last question- — non-have been release. one last question- he _ non-have been release. one last question. he may _ non-have been release. one last question. he may not _ non-have been release. one last question. he may not know- non-have been release. one last question. he may not know the l non-have been release. one last - question. he may not know the answer to this, but are you able to assess

the threat to british hostages from the threat to british hostages from the idf bombardment in the area, and have you made any specific representations to the idf or the government to protect those hostages? brute government to protect those hostages?— government to protect those hostaues? ~ . , ,, government to protect those hostaues? . . , ,, ., ., hostages? we raise the issue of not 'ust the hostages? we raise the issue of not just the british _ hostages? we raise the issue of not just the british hostages, _ hostages? we raise the issue of not just the british hostages, but - just the british hostages, but there's— just the british hostages, but there's more generally every time we speak— there's more generally every time we speak with _ there's more generally every time we speak with israeli ministers. i had a cati— speak with israeli ministers. i had a call on _ speak with israeli ministers. i had a call on saturday morning, i raised the hostages issue then. in israel itself, _ the hostages issue then. in israel itself, there is a huge lobby on behalf— itself, there is a huge lobby on behalf of— itself, there is a huge lobby on behalf of hostages in wanting to get them home and safe. so we raise it on every— them home and safe. so we raise it on every occasion.— on every occasion. moving to the conduct of _ on every occasion. moving to the conduct of the _ on every occasion. moving to the conduct of the operation, - on every occasion. moving to the conduct of the operation, i - on every occasion. moving to the conduct of the operation, i am i conduct of the operation, i am interested in hamas's capability and the intent. i

interested in hamas's capability and the intent. . ., , the intent. i will have to be careful what _ the intent. i will have to be careful what i _ the intent. i will have to be careful what i say, - the intent. i will have to be careful what i say, but - the intent. i will have to be careful what i say, but i've| the intent. i will have to be - careful what i say, but i've seen figures — careful what i say, but i've seen figures suggesting they have lost well over 50% of their capacity and capability— well over 50% of their capacity and capability in terms of being able to launch— capability in terms of being able to launch rockets and all the rest of it. i launch rockets and all the rest of it i don't — launch rockets and all the rest of it. i don't think i can go further than _ it. i don't think i can go further than that _ it. i don't think i can go further than that. their ability to launch rockets — than that. their ability to launch rockets have been degraded, but they still have _ rockets have been degraded, but they still have launch rockets in recent days _ still have launch rockets in recent da s. . . . still have launch rockets in recent da s. , . , , still have launch rockets in recent da s. ,. , , . days. the israelis said they have dismantled _ days. the israelis said they have dismantled hamas's _ days. the israelis said they have dismantled hamas's structure i days. the israelis said they have dismantled hamas's structure ini days. the israelis said they have - dismantled hamas's structure in the north of gaza. you touched on the need for pauses. is that not an opportunity we bring a pause in the north of gaza if hamas have been dismantled? should we look at particular areas, dismantled? should we look at particularareas, have dismantled? should we look at particular areas, have a pause, otherwise what is the objective?

what we have push for is to say consider— what we have push for is to say consider pauses. we haven't particularly focus on an individual area _ particularly focus on an individual area. anything would help. there are still~~~ _ area. anything would help. there are still~~~ most— area. anything would help. there are still... most of the gazans have moved — still... most of the gazans have moved from the north to the south, so it is— moved from the north to the south, so it is helpful to have a pause for the whole — so it is helpful to have a pause for the whole of gaza. anything would help _ the whole of gaza. anything would help one — the whole of gaza. anything would help. one of the issues we would like israel— help. one of the issues we would like israel to look at is switching the water— like israel to look at is switching the water back on into northern gaza _ the water back on into northern gaza. hit— the water back on into northern gaza. �* ., , , ., gaza. all of these things. one of the challenges _ gaza. all of these things. one of the challenges is _ gaza. all of these things. one of the challenges is there _ gaza. all of these things. one of the challenges is there is - gaza. all of these things. one of the challenges is there is no - gaza. all of these things. one of. the challenges is there is no place thatis the challenges is there is no place that is safe for them to go. president biden, he said the has been indiscriminate bombings taking place. you warned sibling casualties were too high and israel must abide by law —— civilian casualties. how have you achieved a reduction in

civilian casualties question what we have done on every occasion of talking to the israeli prime minister or presidents or ministers, we always make the points that we believe israel has a right to defend itself, but it has to do so within humanitarian law and avoid civilian casualties. brute humanitarian law and avoid civilian casualties. ~ . . . , casualties. we are clear they needed to do better — casualties. we are clear they needed to do better in _ casualties. we are clear they needed to do better in the _ casualties. we are clear they needed to do better in the south. _ casualties. we are clear they needed to do better in the south. they - casualties. we are clear they needed to do better in the south. they say i to do better in the south. they say today— to do better in the south. they say today they — to do better in the south. they say today they are moving from a combat phase _ today they are moving from a combat phase to _ today they are moving from a combat phase to a _ today they are moving from a combat phase to a more stabilised face. i don't _ phase to a more stabilised face. i don't fully— phase to a more stabilised face. i don't fully know what they mean by that, _ don't fully know what they mean by that, but _ don't fully know what they mean by that, but we want them to do everything they can to move to a phase _ everything they can to move to a phase where civilians are less under threat _ phase where civilians are less under threat. ,, . ~' phase where civilians are less under threat. ,, . ,, . , threat. the us talk about friends and punches _ threat. the us talk about friends| and punches behind-the-scenes. threat. the us talk about friends - and punches behind-the-scenes. has and punches behind—the—scenes. has the uk been unable to restrain israel in the way it has conducted its air strikes? it

israel in the way it has conducted its air strikes?— its air strikes? it is a difficult ruestion its air strikes? it is a difficult question to _ its air strikes? it is a difficult question to answer. - its air strikes? it is a difficult question to answer. i - its air strikes? it is a difficult question to answer. i will. its air strikes? it is a difficult - question to answer. i will answer a slightly— question to answer. i will answer a slightly different question. the relentless pressure israel faced, that did — relentless pressure israel faced, that did make a difference. they eventually relented. i would hope what we _ eventually relented. i would hope what we said, because we are a friend _ what we said, because we are a friend of— what we said, because we are a friend of israel and we have been a helpful— friend of israel and we have been a helpful friend in many ways, i hope they listen— helpful friend in many ways, i hope they listen to us. helpfulfriend in many ways, i hope they listen to us.— they listen to us. when i asked the prime minister _ they listen to us. when i asked the prime minister about _ they listen to us. when i asked the prime minister about the _ they listen to us. when i asked the prime minister about the same - they listen to us. when i asked the i prime minister about the same topic, he said he hadn't seen israel's targeting procedures.- he said he hadn't seen israel's targeting procedures. have we seen it? i targeting procedures. have we seen it? i haven't — targeting procedures. have we seen it? i haven't asked _ targeting procedures. have we seen it? i haven't asked to _ targeting procedures. have we seen it? i haven't asked to see _ targeting procedures. have we seen it? i haven't asked to see it. - targeting procedures. have we seen it? i haven't asked to see it. it - it? i haven't asked to see it. it isn't _ it? i haven't asked to see it. it isn't something i think they would share _ isn't something i think they would share with — isn't something i think they would share with us.— share with us. they would share their collateral _ share with us. they would share their collateral damage - share with us. they would share their collateral damage with - share with us. they would share their collateral damage with us. i their collateral damage with us. they have shared that, they argue the collateral damage percentage

shows _ the collateral damage percentage shows they are taking it seriously. ithink— shows they are taking it seriously. i think that — shows they are taking it seriously. i think that is a difficult one... it i think that is a difficult one... it is _ i think that is a difficult one... it is a — i think that is a difficult one... it is a good _ i think that is a difficult one... it is a good way to hold them to account. the uk normally operates around 3% collateral damage percentage. israel's... they must be operating at 20, 30, 20 something percent. i'm surprised we don't know what their percentage is, because that would allow us to assess them. they do in the conversation talk about— they do in the conversation talk about what they think their percentages are. we don't think that is good _ percentages are. we don't think that is good enough and we always push them _ is good enough and we always push them we _ is good enough and we always push them. we know what they say. final

ruestion. them. we know what they say. final question. during _ them. we know what they say. final question. during the _ them. we know what they say. i; rial question. during the hostilities in gaza in 2014, your government decided to review licenses for arms exports to israel, and you committed not to grant any further licences. there were 12 specific licenses you are concerned about. why has there been no reviews despite the fact there should be an automatic trigger that exists in the department to suspend when is a significant change on the ground? the suspend when is a significant change on the ground?— on the ground? the way it works, as i'm sure on the ground? the way it works, as l'm sure you — on the ground? the way it works, as i'm sure you know, _ on the ground? the way it works, as i'm sure you know, the _ on the ground? the way it works, as i'm sure you know, the grant - on the ground? the way it works, as i'm sure you know, the grant of - i'm sure you know, the grant of licences— i'm sure you know, the grant of licences is— i'm sure you know, the grant of licences is done by the department for trade _ licences is done by the department for trade on the advice of the foreign— for trade on the advice of the foreign office, they have to look at compliance with international humanitarian law based on assessment of the _ humanitarian law based on assessment of the commitment that israel has comedy— of the commitment that israel has comedy capability bay harbour, can they deliver on it, and the

compliance. it is permanently reviewed, _ compliance. it is permanently reviewed, and where the circumstances change, we advise the department accordingly. the immediate — department accordingly. iie: immediate handbrake, department accordingly. "iie: immediate handbrake, after department accordingly. iie: immediate handbrake, after the terrorist attack in kosovo, there was no handbrake on the situation having been a terrorist attack. because of the circumstances, they are different because of october the 7th. are different because of october the 7th the _ are different because of october the 7th. the position is israel has a right— 7th. the position is israel has a right to — 7th. the position is israel has a right to defend itself and stop hamas— right to defend itself and stop hamas launching future terrorist attacks — hamas launching future terrorist attacks. what you have to do is assess — attacks. what you have to do is assess on — attacks. what you have to do is assess on an ongoing basis. israel has a full right _ assess on an ongoing basis. israel has a full right to _ assess on an ongoing basis. israel has a full right to defend - assess on an ongoing basis. israel has a full right to defend itself, i has a full right to defend itself, but the government needs to make sure licences are correct. you aren't aware of any review formally?

it is as you described. you aren't aware of any review formally? it is as you described.— it is as you described. you put one in lace, it is as you described. you put one in place. which _ it is as you described. you put one in place, which is _ it is as you described. you put one in place, which is why _ it is as you described. you put one in place, which is why i'm - it is as you described. you put one | in place, which is why i'm surprised but hasn't been one... the casualties are much higher this time. ~ . casualties are much higher this timer . . ,, , casualties are much higher this time. . ,, , casualties are much higher this time. . ,, time. what happens is it is a decision for _ time. what happens is it is a decision for the _ time. what happens is it is a decision for the department | time. what happens is it is a l decision for the department of time. what happens is it is a - decision for the department of trade based _ decision for the department of trade based on _ decision for the department of trade based on advice from the foreign office _ based on advice from the foreign office l — based on advice from the foreign office. . based on advice from the foreign office. , , . office. i 'ust find it strange when there office. i just find it strange when there were _ office. i just find it strange when there were much _ office. i just find it strange when there were much lower— office. i just find it strange when there were much lower levels - office. i just find it strange when there were much lower levels of| there were much lower levels of hostility you put it in, and this time around, despite being more serious, that hasn't been a review. i think i've answered the question. have _ i think i've answered the question. have you _ i think i've answered the question. have you received any guidance or advice _ have you received any guidance or advice or— have you received any guidance or advice or received _ have you received any guidance or advice or received any— have you received any guidance or| advice or received any submissions from _ advice or received any submissions from government— advice or received any submissions from government lawyers - advice or received any submissions from government lawyers that - advice or received any submissions i from government lawyers that israel may be _ from government lawyers that israel may be in— from government lawyers that israel may be in breach _ from government lawyers that israel may be in breach of— from government lawyers that israel may be in breach of humanitarian i may be in breach of humanitarian

law? _ may be in breach of humanitarian law? say— may be in breach of humanitarian law? say that _ may be in breach of humanitarian law? say that again. _ may be in breach of humanitarian law? say that again. have - may be in breach of humanitarian law? say that again. have you . law? say that again. have you received — law? say that again. have you received any _ law? say that again. have you received any legal— law? say that again. have you received any legal advise - law? say that again. have you received any legal advise that| received any legal advise that israel— received any legal advise that israel may— received any legal advise that israel may be _ received any legal advise that israel may be in— received any legal advise that israel may be in breach - received any legal advise that israel may be in breach of- israel may be in breach of international— israel may be in breach of| international humanitarian israel may be in breach of- international humanitarian law? i have international humanitarian law? have received advice as part of international humanitarian law?“ have received advice as part of this process, _ have received advice as part of this process, and the advice then was passed _ process, and the advice then was passed on— process, and the advice then was passed on consistent with that advice — passed on consistent with that advice to— passed on consistent with that advice to the department of trade. in advice to the department of trade. in terms— advice to the department of trade. in terms of— advice to the department of trade. in terms of israel's actions post october— in terms of israel's actions post october seven, _ in terms of israel's actions post october seven, have _ in terms of israel's actions post october seven, have you - in terms of israel's actions post october seven, have you seen. in terms of israel's actions post. october seven, have you seen any evidence — october seven, have you seen any evidence been— october seven, have you seen any evidence, been made _ october seven, have you seen any evidence, been made aware - october seven, have you seen any evidence, been made aware of- october seven, have you seen any| evidence, been made aware of any evidence _ evidence, been made aware of any evidence or— evidence, been made aware of any evidence or have _ evidence, been made aware of any evidence or have reasonable - evidence, been made aware of any. evidence or have reasonable grounds to believe _ evidence or have reasonable grounds to believe israel— evidence or have reasonable grounds to believe israel has— evidence or have reasonable grounds to believe israel has breached - to believe israel has breached international— to believe israel has breached international humanitarian - to believe israel has breached i international humanitarian law? i have international humanitarian law? have to act on the advice i am given, — have to act on the advice i am given, that _ have to act on the advice i am given, that advice is based on what we believe — given, that advice is based on what we believe is happening, and so we ask a _ we believe is happening, and so we ask a whole — we believe is happening, and so we ask a whole series of questions of the israeli — ask a whole series of questions of the israeli government about individual actions brought to our

attention — individual actions brought to our attention. then we receive advice on that. _ attention. then we receive advice on that, consider it and then pass it on to— that, consider it and then pass it on to the — that, consider it and then pass it on to the department of trade, for them _ on to the department of trade, for them to— on to the department of trade, for them to make the decision. i understand your relationship... what i am understand your relationship... what i am asking _ understand your relationship... what i am asking you. _ understand your relationship... what i am asking you, have _ understand your relationship... what i am asking you, have you _ understand your relationship... what i am asking you, have you been- understand your relationship... whati i am asking you, have you been made aware _ i am asking you, have you been made aware or— i am asking you, have you been made aware or seen— i am asking you, have you been made aware or seen any— i am asking you, have you been made aware or seen any evidence _ i am asking you, have you been made aware or seen any evidence or- i am asking you, have you been made aware or seen any evidence or have i aware or seen any evidence or have reasonable — aware or seen any evidence or have reasonable grounds _ aware or seen any evidence or have reasonable grounds to _ aware or seen any evidence or have reasonable grounds to believe - aware or seen any evidence or have i reasonable grounds to believe israel has breached — reasonable grounds to believe israel has breached international- has breached international humanitarian _ has breached international humanitarian law? - has breached international| humanitarian law? nothing has breached international. humanitarian law? nothing to has breached international- humanitarian law? nothing to do has breached international— humanitarian law? nothing to do with arms exports — humanitarian law? nothing to do with arms exports l— humanitarian law? nothing to do with arms “ports-— arms exports. i have seen lots of thins arms exports. i have seen lots of things that _ arms exports. i have seen lots of things that have _ arms exports. i have seen lots of things that have been _ arms exports. i have seen lots of things that have been deeply - things that have been deeply concerning, and when i do, i ask advice _ concerning, and when i do, i ask advice as— concerning, and when i do, i ask advice. as part of this arms export, we formally— advice. as part of this arms export, we formally have to do it, ask advice — we formally have to do it, ask advice about whether that is in breach— advice about whether that is in breach of— advice about whether that is in breach of humanitarian law. in your assessment — breach of humanitarian law. in your assessment as _ breach of humanitarian law. in your assessment as foreign _ breach of humanitarian law. in your assessment as foreign secretary, l breach of humanitarian law. in your. assessment as foreign secretary, has israel— assessment as foreign secretary, has israel at _ assessment as foreign secretary, has israel at any— assessment as foreign secretary, has israel at any point _ assessment as foreign secretary, has israel at any point in _ assessment as foreign secretary, has israel at any point in its _ assessment as foreign secretary, has israel at any point in its response - israel at any point in its response breached — israel at any point in its response breached international— israel at any point in its response i breached international humanitarian law? trig— breached international humanitarian law? ~ , ., , breached international humanitarian law? g , ., ., .

law? my 'ob is not to make the legal 'udoka law? my job is not to make the legal judoka and. — law? my job is not to make the legal judoka and, because _ law? my job is not to make the legal judoka and, because i— law? my job is not to make the legal judoka and, because i am _ law? my job is not to make the legal judoka and, because i am not- law? my job is not to make the legal judoka and, because i am not a - judoka and, because i am not a lawyer. — judoka and, because i am not a lawyer. it — judoka and, because i am not a lawyer. it is _ judoka and, because i am not a lawyer, it is for me to consult my lawyers _ lawyer, it is for me to consult my lawyers and — lawyer, it is for me to consult my lawyers and say will you reach a judgment — lawyers and say will you reach a judgment about whether it breaches humanitarian law based on the commitment, capability and compliance... commitment, capability and compliance. . ._ commitment, capability and compliance... commitment, capability and comliance... . , commitment, capability and comliance... . ., compliance... that takes me back to m initial compliance... that takes me back to my initial question, _ compliance... that takes me back to my initial question, have _ compliance... that takes me back to my initial question, have your - my initial question, have your lawyers — my initial question, have your lawyers in _ my initial question, have your lawyers in government - my initial question, have your lawyers in government giving| my initial question, have your- lawyers in government giving you any advice _ lawyers in government giving you any advice as— lawyers in government giving you any advice as to _ lawyers in government giving you any advice as to whether— lawyers in government giving you any advice as to whether israel— lawyers in government giving you any advice as to whether israel has - advice as to whether israel has breached — advice as to whether israel has breached international- advice as to whether israel has - breached international humanitarian law? you _ breached international humanitarian law? you seem _ breached international humanitarian law? you seem to— breached international humanitarian law? you seem to be _ breached international humanitarian law? you seem to be saying - breached international humanitarian law? you seem to be saying it- breached international humanitarian law? you seem to be saying it has. law? you seem to be saying it has been _ law? you seem to be saying it has been examined... _ law? you seem to be saying it has been examined... [— law? you seem to be saying it has been examined. . ._ law? you seem to be saying it has been examined... i know what you are askin: , been examined... i know what you are asking. and — been examined... i know what you are asking. and l — been examined... i know what you are asking, and i don't _ been examined... i know what you are asking, and i don't want _ been examined... i know what you are asking, and i don't want to... - asking, and i don't want to... answer— asking, and i don't want to... answer it~ _ asking, and i don't want to... answer it i— asking, and i don't want to... answer it. i don't want to give an inaccurate — answer it. i don't want to give an inaccurate answer. you see lots of things. _ inaccurate answer. you see lots of things. is— inaccurate answer. you see lots of things, is that on line? that is a process— things, is that on line? that is a process that the foreign office has to go— process that the foreign office has to go through, to look at those

instances. _ to go through, to look at those instances, to put questions to the israeli _ instances, to put questions to the israeli authorities, to consider those — israeli authorities, to consider those answers and give me the considered advice. does that mean we think israel— considered advice. does that mean we think israel is in breach of humanitarian rights? the answer is one advice — humanitarian rights? the answer is one advice goes... that is the way it works _ one advice goes... that is the way it works. . ~ one advice goes... that is the way it works. . ,, , ., . ._ one advice goes... that is the way it works. . ,, i. . ._ ., it works. let me take you away to more specifics. _ it works. let me take you away to more specifics. a _ it works. let me take you away to more specifics. a few _ it works. let me take you away to more specifics. a few minutes - it works. let me take you away to i more specifics. a few minutes ago, in reply— more specifics. a few minutes ago, in reply to — more specifics. a few minutes ago, in reply to the _ more specifics. a few minutes ago, in reply to the chair, _ more specifics. a few minutes ago, in reply to the chair, you _ more specifics. a few minutes ago, in reply to the chair, you said - more specifics. a few minutes ago, in reply to the chair, you said one i in reply to the chair, you said one of the _ in reply to the chair, you said one of the things _ in reply to the chair, you said one of the things we _ in reply to the chair, you said one of the things we would _ in reply to the chair, you said one of the things we would like - in reply to the chair, you said one of the things we would like the i of the things we would like the israelis — of the things we would like the israelis to— of the things we would like the israelis to do _ of the things we would like the israelis to do is _ of the things we would like the israelis to do is switch - of the things we would like the israelis to do is switch the - of the things we would like the. israelis to do is switch the water back— israelis to do is switch the water back on — israelis to do is switch the water back on that _ israelis to do is switch the water back on. that says _ israelis to do is switch the water back on. that says they- israelis to do is switch the water back on. that says they turned i israelis to do is switch the water| back on. that says they turned it of, back on. that says they turned it of. it _ back on. that says they turned it of. it says — back on. that says they turned it of. it says you _ back on. that says they turned it of, it says you recognise - back on. that says they turned it of, it says you recognise they. back on. that says they turned it i of, it says you recognise they have the power— of, it says you recognise they have the power to— of, it says you recognise they have the power to turn _ of, it says you recognise they have the power to turn it _ of, it says you recognise they have the power to turn it on. _ of, it says you recognise they have the power to turn it on. therefore, isn't _ the power to turn it on. therefore, isn't turning — the power to turn it on. therefore, isn't turning water— the power to turn it on. therefore, isn't turning water off _ the power to turn it on. therefore, isn't turning water off and - the power to turn it on. therefore, isn't turning water off and having i isn't turning water off and having the ability— isn't turning water off and having the ability to _ isn't turning water off and having the ability to turn _ isn't turning water off and having the ability to turn it _ isn't turning water off and having the ability to turn it back- isn't turning water off and having the ability to turn it back on - isn't turning water off and having the ability to turn it back on but. the ability to turn it back on but choosing — the ability to turn it back on but choosing not— the ability to turn it back on but choosing not to, _ the ability to turn it back on but choosing not to, isn't _ the ability to turn it back on but choosing not to, isn't that - the ability to turn it back on but choosing not to, isn't that a - the ability to turn it back on but. choosing not to, isn't that a breach of humanitarian _ choosing not to, isn't that a breach of humanitarian law? _ choosing not to, isn't that a breach of humanitarian law? it’s _ choosing not to, isn't that a breach of humanitarian law?— of humanitarian law? it's 'ust something i of humanitarian law? it's 'ust something they i of humanitarian law? it's 'ust something they ought h of humanitarian law? it's 'ust something they ought to h of humanitarian law? it'sjust something they ought to do. | of humanitarian law? it'sjust i something they ought to do. of something they ought to do. oi course something they ought to do. of course they should. every human being _ course they should. every human being would _ course they should. every human being would say— course they should. every human being would say that. _ course they should. every human being would say that. i— course they should. every human being would say that. i am -

course they should. every human| being would say that. i am asking you as _ being would say that. i am asking you as foreign— being would say that. i am asking you as foreign secretary... - being would say that. i am asking you as foreign secretary... in- you as foreign secretary... in ismel— you as foreign secretary... in israel have — you as foreign secretary... in israel have the _ you as foreign secretary... in israel have the power- you as foreign secretary... in israel have the power to - you as foreign secretary... in israel have the power to turn| you as foreign secretary... in. israel have the power to turn the water— israel have the power to turn the water back— israel have the power to turn the water back on _ israel have the power to turn the water back on that _ israel have the power to turn the water back on that they- israel have the power to turn the water back on that they turned i israel have the power to turn the i water back on that they turned off, surely— water back on that they turned off, surely that— water back on that they turned off, surely that is— water back on that they turned off, surely that is a _ water back on that they turned off, surely that is a flagrant _ water back on that they turned off, surely that is a flagrant breach i water back on that they turned off, surely that is a flagrant breach of. surely that is a flagrant breach of international— surely that is a flagrant breach of international humanitarian - surely that is a flagrant breach of international humanitarian law? i surely that is a flagrant breach ofi international humanitarian law? i surely that is a flagrant breach of- international humanitarian law? i aim international humanitarian law? i am not a lawyer- — international humanitarian law? i am not a lawyer- they — international humanitarian law? not a lawyer. they ought to switch it on _ not a lawyer. they ought to switch it on because the north of gaza, the conflict _ it on because the north of gaza, the conflict is _ it on because the north of gaza, the conflict is over there, so getting more _ conflict is over there, so getting more water and power there would be a good _ more water and power there would be a good thing to do. you don't how to be a lawyer— a good thing to do. you don't how to be a lawyer to make a judgment. under— be a lawyer to make a judgment. under international obligations, do they have an obligation to provide water? ., . . . water? you are asking the a technical — water? you are asking the a technical question. - water? you are asking the a technical question. we i water? you are asking the a technical question. we all i water? you are asking the a i technical question. we all know water? you are asking the a - technical question. we all know that under international _ technical question. we all know that under international law _ technical question. we all know that under international law is _ technical question. we all know that under international law is an - under international law is an obligation to provide water. you are askin: be obligation to provide water. you are asking be a — obligation to provide water. you are asking be a technical _ obligation to provide water. you are asking be a technical question i obligation to provide water. you are | asking be a technical question about occupying powers. i imagine you are

correct, but i'm also... just occupying powers. i imagine you are correct, but i'm also...— correct, but i'm also... just bear in mind. — correct, but i'm also... just bear in mind. we _ correct, but i'm also... just bear in mind, we have _ correct, but i'm also... just bear in mind, we have come - correct, but i'm also... just bear in mind, we have come to i correct, but i'm also... just bear in mind, we have come to such i correct, but i'm also... just bear| in mind, we have come to such a correct, but i'm also... just bear i in mind, we have come to such a good place to working with you. because we have the confidence you do know these details, you know it is not you presume i'm correct. i these details, you know it is not you presume i'm correct.- you presume i'm correct. i think that is right- _ you presume i'm correct. i think that is right. so, _ you presume i'm correct. i think that is right. so, yes. _ you presume i'm correct. i think that is right. so, yes. but- you presume i'm correct. i think that is right. so, yes. but i i you presume i'm correct. i think. that is right. so, yes. but i would add, in answering your questions earlier about occupying... i am not askin: earlier about occupying... i am not asking you — earlier about occupying... i am not asking you that- — earlier about occupying... i am not asking you that. lord _ earlier about occupying... i am not asking you that. lord cameron, i earlier about occupying... i am not | asking you that. lord cameron, you received no advice at any point that state israel is in breach of humanitarian law question mark that is not what i have said. i will humanitarian law question mark that is not what i have said.— is not what i have said. i will give ou the is not what i have said. i will give you the same _ is not what i have said. i will give you the same answer, _ is not what i have said. i will give you the same answer, my - is not what i have said. i will give you the same answer, my role. i is not what i have said. i will give i you the same answer, my role. i'm not interested _ you the same answer, my role. in not interested in that.

you the same answer, my role. i'm not interested in that. the - you the same answer, my role. i'm not interested in that. the legal. not interested in that. the legal advice i received _ not interested in that. the legal advice i received is _ not interested in that. the legal advice i received is consistent i not interested in that. the legal. advice i received is consistent with the fact— advice i received is consistent with the fact we — advice i received is consistent with the fact we haven't changed our e>

rockets into israel. there is a difference — rockets into israel. there is a difference in _ rockets into israel. there is a difference in using _ rockets into israel. there is a difference in using chemical. rockets into israel. there is a - difference in using chemical weapons to kill_ difference in using chemical weapons to kill people... and israel fighting _ to kill people... and israel fighting a conflict where they are trying _ fighting a conflict where they are trying to— fighting a conflict where they are trying to deal with a terrorist force — trying to deal with a terrorist force which inflicted an appalling attack _ i don't think we would get much further — i don't think we would get much further if— i don't think we would get much further. if you are asking me am i worried _ further. if you are asking me am i worried israel has taken action that might— worried israel has taken action that might be _ worried israel has taken action that might be iri— worried israel has taken action that might be in breach of law, because this particular premises has been bombed, — this particular premises has been bombed, of course i am. that is why i consult _ bombed, of course i am. that is why i consult the — bombed, of course i am. that is why i consult the lawyers. if you put it that way. — i consult the lawyers. if you put it that way. i— i consult the lawyers. if you put it that way, i am happy to say yes, of course, _ that way, i am happy to say yes, of course, i_ that way, i am happy to say yes, of course, i look— that way, i am happy to say yes, of course, i look at what happens everyday — course, i look at what happens everyday and ask questions, is this ih-tihe _ everyday and ask questions, is this ih-tihe with — everyday and ask questions, is this in—line with law, could the israelis have _ in—line with law, could the israelis have done —

in—line with law, could the israelis have done better? we in-line with law, could the israelis have done better?— in-line with law, could the israelis have done better? we have no doubt ou would have done better? we have no doubt you would ask— have done better? we have no doubt you would ask those _ have done better? we have no doubt you would ask those questions, - have done better? we have no doubt you would ask those questions, it. have done better? we have no doubt you would ask those questions, it is| you would ask those questions, it is the responses. i you would ask those questions, it is the re5ponses-_ the responses. i understand the auestion the responses. i understand the question you — the responses. i understand the question you want _ the responses. i understand the question you want to _ the responses. i understand the question you want to answer, i the responses. i understand the l question you want to answer, but the responses. i understand the - question you want to answer, but the question— question you want to answer, but the question is, _ question you want to answer, but the question is, have _ question you want to answer, but the question is, have you _ question you want to answer, but the question is, have you received - question you want to answer, but the question is, have you received legal. question is, have you received legal advice _ question is, have you received legal advice which — question is, have you received legal advice which says _ question is, have you received legal advice which says israel— question is, have you received legal advice which says israel is _ question is, have you received legal advice which says israel is in- advice which says israel is in ttreach— advice which says israel is in breach of— advice which says israel is in breach of humanitarian - advice which says israel is ini breach of humanitarian law? advice which says israel is in- breach of humanitarian law? the short answer— breach of humanitarian law? the short answer is _ breach of humanitarian law? short answer is no, but i want breach of humanitarian law?- short answer is no, but i want to qualified — short answer is no, but i want to qualified. it's not fair on the lawyers, _ qualified. it's not fair on the lawyers, because they give me lots of advice _ lawyers, because they give me lots of advice. we will consult with the israeli _ of advice. we will consult with the israeli lawyers and ask questions and give — israeli lawyers and ask questions and give you considered legal advice. — and give you considered legal advice, on the basis of capability. have _ advice, on the basis of capability. have they— advice, on the basis of capability. have they broken the law? that is why it _ have they broken the law? that is why it is _ have they broken the law? that is why it is not yes or no. i am trying to be _ why it is not yes or no. i am trying to be helpful. why it is not yes or no. i am trying to be helpful-— why it is not yes or no. i am trying to be helpful. does that help at all auestion to be helpful. does that help at all question mark— to be helpful. does that help at all question mark no! _ question mark no! laughter- laughter i think it is as good as it will

get. i think it is as good as it will net. ~ . i think it is as good as it will retr ., ,, i think it is as good as it will net. ., ,, ., i think it is as good as it will get. what assessment have you made ofthe get. what assessment have you made of the ambassador's _ get. what assessment have you made of the ambassador's claimed - get. what assessment have you made of the ambassador's claimed that - of the ambassador's claimed that every— of the ambassador's claimed that every school, _ of the ambassador's claimed that every school, mosque _ of the ambassador's claimed that every school, mosque and - of the ambassador's claimed that| every school, mosque and second house _ every school, mosque and second house has— every school, mosque and second house has access _ every school, mosque and second house has access to _ every school, mosque and second house has access to tunnels - every school, mosque and second house has access to tunnels and i every school, mosque and second . house has access to tunnels and our ministry? _ house has access to tunnels and our ministry? she — house has access to tunnels and our ministry? she said _ house has access to tunnels and our ministry? she said it _ house has access to tunnels and our ministry? she said it in _ house has access to tunnels and our ministry? she said it in a _ ministry? she said it in a television _ ministry? she said it in a television interview, - ministry? she said it in a television interview, and| ministry? she said it in a - television interview, and when pressed — television interview, and when pressed on _ television interview, and when pressed on it— television interview, and when pressed on if it— television interview, and when pressed on if it means - television interview, and when. pressed on if it means destruction of gaza _ pressed on if it means destruction of gaza try— pressed on if it means destruction of gaza by israel, _ pressed on if it means destruction of gaza by israel, she _ pressed on if it means destruction of gaza by israel, she said, - pressed on if it means destruction of gaza by israel, she said, do- pressed on if it means destruction| of gaza by israel, she said, do you have _ of gaza by israel, she said, do you have another— of gaza by israel, she said, do you have another solution? _ of gaza by israel, she said, do you have another solution? was - of gaza by israel, she said, do you have another solution? was she i have another solution? was she freelancing _ have another solution? was she freelancing when— have another solution? was she freelancing when she _ have another solution? was she freelancing when she was - have another solution? was she - freelancing when she was speaking, or was— freelancing when she was speaking, or was she — freelancing when she was speaking, or was she speaking _ freelancing when she was speaking, or was she speaking for— freelancing when she was speaking, or was she speaking for the - or was she speaking for the government? _ or was she speaking for the government? i— or was she speaking for the government?— or was she speaking for the covernment? ., �* ., ., government? i don't agree with that a- roach. government? i don't agree with that approach- if — government? i don't agree with that approach- if you _ government? i don't agree with that approach. if you are _ government? i don't agree with that approach. if you are asking - government? i don't agree with that approach. if you are asking me... i government? i don't agree with that | approach. if you are asking me... do ou approach. if you are asking me... you think she approach. if you are asking me... do you think she was speaking on the half of— you think she was speaking on the half of the — you think she was speaking on the half of the israeli _ you think she was speaking on the half of the israeli government? i you think she was speaking on the half of the israeli government? [i half of the israeli government? i don't half of the israeli government? don't know. i would hope that half of the israeli government?“ don't know. i would hope that is half of the israeli government?_ don't know. i would hope that is not the position— don't know. i would hope that is not the position of the israeli government, because it is the wrong position _ government, because it is the wrong position. just government, because it is the wrong osition. , , ., government, because it is the wrong oisition. , , . �* government, because it is the wrong oisition. , ., �* ., position. just quickly, and i'm not t in: to position. just quickly, and i'm not trying to scratch _ position. just quickly, and i'm not trying to scratch the _ position. just quickly, and i'm not trying to scratch the same - position. just quickly, and i'm not trying to scratch the same sort. i trying to scratch the same sort. none of the individuals released so

far, none of the individuals released so far. no— none of the individuals released so far, no british hostages have been released — far, no british hostages have been released. i�*m far, no british hostages have been released. �* ., ., , far, no british hostages have been released. �* ., ., i ., far, no british hostages have been released. �* ., ., , ., ., released. i'm going to try ask in a more productive _ released. i'm going to try ask in a more productive way. _ released. i'm going to try ask in a more productive way. i'm - released. i'm going to try ask in a more productive way. i'm not- released. i'm going to try ask in a l more productive way. i'm not trying to ask you to be a false lawyer. i am aware in hamas, you have an organisation which doesn't pretend to do anything by any moral justification we recognise, it slaughters and rapes people. i also understand israel feels the world is always very quick to judge its actions and never bothers to judge the actions of those people, hamas. having said that, reading between the lines, what you seem to be saying is not you've had lawyers say they are breaching international law, because it is difficult to argue that, because you have to understand the israeli's legal approach and how theyjudge proportionality. i'm assuming,

reading between the lines, your lawyers are saying that potentially the israelis are runnable to a challenge from the hague court and elsewhere that in some of the things they are doing in relation to proportionality there is vulnerability.— proportionality there is vulnerabili. ., ., ., vulnerability. close to that. in all these cases. _ vulnerability. close to that. in all these cases, there _ vulnerability. close to that. in all these cases, there is _ vulnerability. close to that. in all these cases, there is a _ vulnerability. close to that. in all these cases, there is a questionl these cases, there is a question mark— these cases, there is a question mark over— these cases, there is a question mark over whether it is in breach of law, and _ mark over whether it is in breach of law, and that — mark over whether it is in breach of law, and that is why you have to go back, _ law, and that is why you have to go back, look— law, and that is why you have to go back, lookat— law, and that is why you have to go back, look at the episode, what was bombed, _ back, look at the episode, what was bombed, and then ask yourself a bunch _ bombed, and then ask yourself a bunch of— bombed, and then ask yourself a bunch of questions, which is what the lawyers do. the advice obama has been they— the lawyers do. the advice obama has been they have a commitment —— the advice _ been they have a commitment —— the advice so _ been they have a commitment —— the advice so far~ — been they have a commitment —— the advice so far. there is always a question — advice so far. there is always a question-— advice so far. there is always a cuestion. i ., ., question. ten years ago you were outspoken — question. ten years ago you were outspoken on — question. ten years ago you were outspoken on gaza _ question. ten years ago you were outspoken on gaza being - question. ten years ago you were

outspoken on gaza being an i question. ten years ago you were i outspoken on gaza being an open-air outspoken on gaza being an open—air prison~ _ outspoken on gaza being an open—air prison~ i_ outspoken on gaza being an open—air prison~ i want — outspoken on gaza being an open—air prison i want to— outspoken on gaza being an open—air prison. i want to say— outspoken on gaza being an open—air prison. i want to say some _ outspoken on gaza being an open—air prison. i want to say some of - outspoken on gaza being an open—air prison. i want to say some of the i prison. i want to say some of the statistics— prison. i want to say some of the statistics i— prison. i want to say some of the statistics i have, _ prison. i want to say some of the statistics i have, 1.9 _ prison. i want to say some of the statistics i have, 1.9 million i statistics i have, 1.9 million people _ statistics i have, 1.9 million people have _ statistics i have, 1.9 million people have been _ statistics i have, 1.9 millionl people have been displaced, statistics i have, 1.9 million - people have been displaced, 70% of buildings _ people have been displaced, 70% of buildings destroyed, _ people have been displaced, 70% of buildings destroyed, most _ people have been displaced, 70% of buildings destroyed, most schools l buildings destroyed, most schools and hospitals _ buildings destroyed, most schools and hospitals rendered _ buildings destroyed, most schoolsl and hospitals rendered inoperable. this week, — and hospitals rendered inoperable. this week, the _ and hospitals rendered inoperable. this week, the international- and hospitals rendered inoperable. this week, the international camelj this week, the international camel court _ this week, the international camel court will— this week, the international camel court will hold _ this week, the international camel court will hold hearings _ this week, the international camel court will hold hearings on - this week, the international camel court will hold hearings on south l court will hold hearings on south africa's _ court will hold hearings on south africa's application— court will hold hearings on south africa's application under- africa's application under obligations _ africa's application under obligations relating - africa's application under obligations relating to i africa's application underl obligations relating to the africa's application under— obligations relating to the genocide convention — obligations relating to the genocide convention 1— obligations relating to the genocide convention. ~ , convention. i think it is the international _ convention. i think it is the international court - convention. i think it is the international court of i convention. i think it is the i international court ofjustice, but international court ofjustice, but i don't _ international court ofjustice, but i don't think that is helpful, i don't — i don't think that is helpful, i don't agree with it. i don't think we should — don't agree with it. i don't think we should bandy around terms like genocide _ we should bandy around terms like genocide in this case. that doesn't change _ genocide in this case. that doesn't change our— genocide in this case. that doesn't change our position that ultimately it is for— change our position that ultimately it is for the — change our position that ultimately it is for the courts to decide, to define — it is for the courts to decide, to define genocide, not for states. i'm

clear— define genocide, not for states. i'm clear about — define genocide, not for states. i'm clear about that. in terms of what i said about — clear about that. in terms of what i said about gaza, look, it has been unsatisfactory for years, the fact that has— unsatisfactory for years, the fact that has not been better access to and from — that has not been better access to and from gaza... it�*s that has not been better access to and from gaza. . ._ that has not been better access to and from gaza... it's not for courts to determine. _ and from gaza... it's not for courts to determine, it _ and from gaza... it's not for courts to determine, it states _ and from gaza... it's not for courts to determine, it states party i and from gaza... it's not for courts to determine, it states party to i and from gaza... it's not for courts| to determine, it states party to the convention — to determine, it states party to the convention. the— to determine, it states party to the convention-— convention. the long-standing osition convention. the long-standing position on _ convention. the long-standing position on the _ convention. the long-standing position on the british - convention. the long-standing i position on the british government on all— position on the british government on all questions of genocide is that it is not— on all questions of genocide is that it is not for— on all questions of genocide is that it is not for a government to say that is— it is not for a government to say that is genocide, it is for a court, the icj. _ that is genocide, it is for a court, the icj. to— that is genocide, it is for a court, the iq, to determine. it is that is genocide, it is for a court, the icj, to determine.— that is genocide, it is for a court, the icj, to determine. it is not for the icj, to determine. it is not for the government _ the icj, to determine. it is not for the government to _ the icj, to determine. it is not for the government to conserve i the icj, to determine. it is not for the government to conserve the l the icj, to determine. it is not for i the government to conserve the risk of genocide — the government to conserve the risk of genocide if— the government to conserve the risk of genocide-— of genocide. if we want to put information _ of genocide. if we want to put information into _ of genocide. if we want to put information into a _ of genocide. if we want to put information into a court i of genocide. if we want to put information into a court when | of genocide. if we want to put i information into a court when they are considering a question, we are at liberty— are considering a question, we are at liberty to — are considering a question, we are at liberty to do it. we have done it in the _ at liberty to do it. we have done it in the case — at liberty to do it. we have done it in the case of what has happened recently— in the case of what has happened recently in — in the case of what has happened recently in burma, predates my time

as foreign _ recently in burma, predates my time as foreign secretary. you asking me about— as foreign secretary. you asking me about the _ as foreign secretary. you asking me about the south african case. our view— about the south african case. our view is _ about the south african case. our view is israel does have a right to defend _ view is israel does have a right to defend itself, must act within law, should _ defend itself, must act within law, should avoid civilian casualties, do better— should avoid civilian casualties, do better on— should avoid civilian casualties, do better on it — should avoid civilian casualties, do better on it. but we don't believe calling _ better on it. but we don't believe calling this genocide is the right approach, and we don't agree with what _ approach, and we don't agree with what africa — approach, and we don't agree with what africa is doing. i approach, and we don't agree with what africa is doing.— what africa is doing. i actually a . ree what africa is doing. i actually agree with — what africa is doing. i actually agree with you _ what africa is doing. i actually agree with you that _ what africa is doing. i actuallyl agree with you that sometimes what africa is doing. i actually - agree with you that sometimes it's not about the technical definitions and at around that good feeling of is it right or wrong. can i pivot to another issue around the west bank? what is your view of the increase in violence there? have you had conversations with the israeli government to try reduce that question yes, what is happening in terms of violence is unacceptable.

we are working with the home office, we have _ we are working with the home office, we have put— we are working with the home office, we have put in place travel bans on those _ we have put in place travel bans on those people responsible for violence. and we have the opportunity, should we judge it right, _ opportunity, should we judge it right, to — opportunity, should we judge it right, to move that from a travel ban of— right, to move that from a travel ban of to— right, to move that from a travel ban of to a — right, to move that from a travel ban of to a full sanction, which includes — ban of to a full sanction, which includes the travel ban and assets freeze _ includes the travel ban and assets freeze we — includes the travel ban and assets freeze. we keep a clear eye on it. it is freeze. we keep a clear eye on it. it is hot _ freeze. we keep a clear eye on it. it is not right what is happening, it is also— it is not right what is happening, it is also as _ it is not right what is happening, it is also as well as being terrible for the _ it is also as well as being terrible for the palestinian people who live there. _ for the palestinian people who live there. this — for the palestinian people who live there, this is long—term, very bad for israel— there, this is long—term, very bad for israel because they need a two state _ for israel because they need a two state solution in order for its security~ _ state solution in order for its security. they need to make a west bank _ security. they need to make a west bank a _ security. they need to make a west bank a functional space.— bank a functional space. given you are making — bank a functional space. given you are making representations, - bank a functional space. given you l are making representations, others are, why— are making representations, others are, why is — are making representations, others are, why is this— are making representations, others are, why is this not— are making representations, others are, why is this not working? - are making representations, others are, why is this not working? [it- are making representations, others are, why is this not working? [it is l are, why is this not working? it is are, why is this not working? it is a ranue are, why is this not working? it is a range of— are, why is this not working? it is

a range of things. _ are, why is this not working? a range of things. because are, why is this not working? it it a range of things. because of october— a range of things. because of october seven and after, you've got a rise _ october seven and after, you've got a rise of— october seven and after, you've got a rise of tensions across the occupied _ a rise of tensions across the occupied palestinian territories and in the _ occupied palestinian territories and in the west bank. you have got the extreme _ in the west bank. you have got the extreme settler movement who have been perpetrating these acts. you have some — been perpetrating these acts. you have some politicians in israel who don't _ have some politicians in israel who don't call— have some politicians in israel who don't call them out, even support thenr~ _ don't call them out, even support thenr~ that — don't call them out, even support them. that is why it is important from _ them. that is why it is important from the — them. that is why it is important from the friends of israel do called us out _ from the friends of israel do called us out and — from the friends of israel do called us out and clear.— us out and clear. given you have announced _ us out and clear. given you have announced we _ us out and clear. given you have announced we have _ us out and clear. given you have announced we have banned - us out and clear. given you have i announced we have banned settlers from entering the uk, what would be the trigger to up that to a full sanction? it's a very good question and i cannot— it's a very good question and i cannot give you a hard and fast answer~ — cannot give you a hard and fast answer i— cannot give you a hard and fast answer. i think the sense that if this continues, it gets worse, more acts are _ this continues, it gets worse, more acts are carried out, then we would consider— acts are carried out, then we would consider taking the travel ban up to a full— consider taking the travel ban up to a full sanction.— a full sanction. more acts being carried out? — a full sanction. more acts being carried out? they _

a full sanction. more acts being carried out? they are _ a full sanction. more acts being carried out? they are being - a full sanction. more acts being . carried out? they are being carried out. this is happening all the time. i must press the point... if out. this is happening all the time. i must press the point. . ._ i must press the point... if you are askin: i must press the point... if you are asking for — i must press the point... if you are asking for a _ i must press the point... if you are asking for a matrix _ i must press the point... if you are asking for a matrix for _ i must press the point... if you are asking for a matrix for the - asking for a matrix for the decision, _ asking for a matrix for the decision, i don't have one, but it is a decision, idon't have one, but it is a very— decision, i don't have one, but it is a very good point that i will go away— is a very good point that i will go away and — is a very good point that i will go away and think about it. but there is no _ away and think about it. but there is no hesitation. our view is this is no hesitation. our view is this is not _ is no hesitation. our view is this is not right, _ is no hesitation. our view is this is not right, we should use your sanctions — is not right, we should use your sanctions and deterrence in the smartest— sanctions and deterrence in the smartest way you can come up and we are very— smartest way you can come up and we are very happy to do that. you touched about _ are very happy to do that. you touched about the _ are very happy to do that. gm. touched about the need for reconstruction in the first answer. israel has said they are looking to the eu and us to pay for the reconstruction of gaza. can i ask if you agree with that? l reconstruction of gaza. can i ask if you agree with that?— you agree with that? i think it is auoin to you agree with that? i think it is going to take — you agree with that? i think it is going to take a _ you agree with that? i think it is going to take a giant _ you agree with that? i think it is i going to take a giant international effort _ going to take a giant international effort. because the level of the destruction is so great. i think we are going — destruction is so great. i think we are going to have to try to bring together, — are going to have to try to bring together, i_ are going to have to try to bring together, i know this is something looked _ together, i know this is something looked at. — together, i know this is something looked at, bring together a whole group _ looked at, bring together a whole group of— looked at, bring together a whole group of countries that include