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, election ,election commission that the central election commission says that 86% of polling stations have been counted, have submitted their votes so we know that we are getting quite close to the end before the official results come out. we also know that voter turnout this year is 69%, a bit down on the last election four years ago at 75% and we will be crossing soon to shaimaa khalil our corresponded on the ground at the dpp headquarters where we are expecting the front runner in this election, the front runner in this election, the democratic progressive party's candidate william lai to be making a speech shortly and that is because we are hearing that there have been concession speech is already being happening from the main opposition party, the kuomintang and their presidential candidate hou yu—ih. he has conceded the election. before we get to shaimaa khalil, while she gets all set up, i do have a guest with me who can help us understand the context of this and what it means for taiwan going forward. former taiwan legislator, thanks for joining me up here on the rooftop.
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it has all been happening incredibly fast, especially in the last half an hour or so. what do you make of this news we have just received that kuomintang candidate for the presidential race hou yu—ih has conceded? presidential race hou yu-ih has conceded?— presidential race hou yu-ih has conceded? ~ , ., ., conceded? absolutely, at the end of the race, conceded? absolutely, at the end of the race. it — conceded? absolutely, at the end of the race, it was _ conceded? absolutely, at the end of the race, it was nail-biting - conceded? absolutely, at the end of the race, it was nail-biting and - conceded? absolutely, at the end of the race, it was nail-biting and we i the race, it was nail—biting and we expected — the race, it was nail—biting and we expected whether winning or losing, it would _ expected whether winning or losing, it would be — expected whether winning or losing, it would be a small margin but it looks_ it would be a small margin but it looks like — it would be a small margin but it looks like the margin is larger that we have _ looks like the margin is larger that we have expected. we see this as more _ we have expected. we see this as more voters decided, undecided voters. — more voters decided, undecided voters, decided to vote for lai at the last— voters, decided to vote for lai at the last minute. this is out of our expectation, to be honest. you the last minute. this is out of our expectation, to be honest. you are a bit surprised — expectation, to be honest. you are a bit surprised that _ expectation, to be honest. you are a bit surprised that these _ expectation, to be honest. you are a bit surprised that these numbers - bit surprised that these numbers extended as more of the counts came in but as part of the democratic process here in taiwan, the concession speeches also come rather quickly? i concession speeches also come rather cuickl ? ., ., ., quickly? i would say that whatever the outcome. _ quickly? i would say that whatever the outcome, the _ quickly? i would say that whatever the outcome, the victory - quickly? i would say that whatever the outcome, the victory belongs. quickly? i would say that whatever. the outcome, the victory belongs to the outcome, the victory belongs to the people — the outcome, the victory belongs to the people of taiwan. although there are different parties with different stances _ are different parties with different stances fighting vigorously and
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having — stances fighting vigorously and having their own stances on issues, at the _ having their own stances on issues, at the end — having their own stances on issues, at the end of— having their own stances on issues, at the end of the day, it is the people — at the end of the day, it is the people of— at the end of the day, it is the people of taiwan who choose and we should _ people of taiwan who choose and we should respect the outcome. stay with us, should respect the outcome. stay with us. we _ should respect the outcome. stay with us, we will— should respect the outcome. stay with us, we will get _ should respect the outcome. sit: with us, we will get your should respect the outcome. sit
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last half hour. people have been really, really lifted. the mood has just changed. you can see the chance and the cheers and some of the people that i have actually spoken to, two of the ladies said that they were worried are now waving their flags just over there. that is the mood at the dpp rally. that is the mood at the dpp rally. that is the mood outside their headquarters. that is the mood as they edge that much closer to victory. their supporters are happy. this is not going to make beijing happy. william lai has been dubbed by beijing as a troublemaker. this is not going to go down well in china. but for the supporters here in the raleigh, they are exceptionally happy about where this is going. are exceptionally happy about where this is going-—
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this is going. usually when we have a concession _ this is going. usually when we have a concession speech, _ this is going. usually when we have a concession speech, it _ this is going. usually when we have a concession speech, it is _ this is going. usually when we have a concession speech, it is very - a concession speech, it is very quickly followed by a winners acceptance speech, is that what you are expecting to see in the minutes to come? i are expecting to see in the minutes to come? ~' ~' are expecting to see in the minutes to come? ~ ,., ~ ., to come? i think so. i think that william lai _ to come? i think so. i think that william lai is— to come? i think so. i think that william lai is expected - to come? i think so. i think that william lai is expected to - to come? i think so. i think that william lai is expected to make j to come? i think so. i think that i william lai is expected to make a speech. we are not exactly sure about the time but it should follow quite quickly. we are in the rally here, we are also very close to the press centre so he is also likely to give a press conference but, yes, now that we have gotten those concession speeches, we are expecting him to address his supporters, address the dpp followers, and announce the victory. if i have time, can ijust quickly ask our cameraman to come here. jesse, we have been speaking a lot, you were worried, how do you feel now? ~ ., ., , you were worried, how do you feel now? . . ., , you were worried, how do you feel now? ~ . ., , , , ., now? we have a very good numbers now so we are very — now? we have a very good numbers now so we are very happy _ now? we have a very good numbers now so we are very happy now! _ now? we have a very good numbers now so we are very happy now! we _ now? we have a very good numbers now so we are very happy now! we were - so we are very happy now! we were confident— so we are very happy now! we were confident all the way. i
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so we are very happy now! we were confident all the way.— confident all the way. i see a big smile, confident all the way. i see a big smile. now _ confident all the way. i see a big smile. now you _ confident all the way. i see a big smile, now you are _ confident all the way. i see a big smile, now you are waiting - confident all the way. i see a big smile, now you are waiting for. smile, now you are waiting for william lai?— smile, now you are waiting for william lai? , , , ., william lai? yes. god might yes, now the are william lai? yes. god might yes, now they are waiting _ william lai? yes. god might yes, now they are waiting for— william lai? yes. god might yes, now they are waiting for the _ william lai? yes. god might yes, now they are waiting for the man - william lai? yes. god might yes, now they are waiting for the man to - william lai? yes. god might yes, now they are waiting for the man to get. they are waiting for the man to get to the _ they are waiting for the man to get to the stage and actually confirm it. , ., to the stage and actually confirm it. , . ., , ., it. on the stage, we are seeing a concession _ it. on the stage, we are seeing a concession speech _ it. on the stage, we are seeing a concession speech from - it. on the stage, we are seeing a concession speech from the - it. on the stage, we are seeing a concession speech from the tpp| it. on the stage, we are seeing a - concession speech from the tpp which makes people that much more confident that things are going to go their way tonight. lode confident that things are going to go their way tonight.— confident that things are going to go their way tonight. we will come back and check _ go their way tonight. we will come back and check in _ go their way tonight. we will come back and check in with _ go their way tonight. we will come back and check in with you - go their way tonight. we will come back and check in with you when i back and check in with you when william lai does take to the stage for that concession speech, thanks very much for giving us a flavour of what things like downing headquarters at the democratic progressive party. i'm up here the rooftop with jason. we were being shown images of the jubilant supporters of the dpp, she was chatting with some of them, they are jubilant, very excited they managed to get across the line. she did also mention that in reaction to this win tjy mention that in reaction to this win by the dpp candidate william lai, china will be watching, china will not necessarily be happy with what they have seen here. give us your reaction? �* , , ., ., ,
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reaction? let's remember that lais victo is reaction? let's remember that lais victory is rrot _ reaction? let's remember that lais victory is rrot a _ reaction? let's remember that lais victory is not a landslide _ reaction? let's remember that lais victory is not a landslide like - reaction? let's remember that lais victory is not a landslide like it - victory is not a landslide like it was for— victory is not a landslide like it was for my— victory is not a landslide like it was for my keys go. he is winning by a very— was for my keys go. he is winning by a very small— was for my keys go. he is winning by a very small margin and he has been given— a very small margin and he has been givena— a very small margin and he has been givena very— a very small margin and he has been givena very weak a very small margin and he has been given a very weak mandate. if you look at _ given a very weak mandate. if you look at the — given a very weak mandate. if you look at the numb numbers of the vote, _ look at the numb numbers of the vote, you — look at the numb numbers of the vote, you realise that actually, 60% of the _ vote, you realise that actually, 60% of the voters with two opposition parties _ of the voters with two opposition parties combined are actually opposed to a dpp presidency so he must _ opposed to a dpp presidency so he must go _ opposed to a dpp presidency so he must go into his presidency remembering that he has a weakened mandate, _ remembering that he has a weakened mandate, he must work with the opposition— mandate, he must work with the opposition parties and there might be issues — opposition parties and there might be issues that he needs to compromise on and he will face internally. _ compromise on and he will face internally, domestic issues that he needs— internally, domestic issues that he needs to _ internally, domestic issues that he needs to answer. people are concerned about corruption and some of the _ concerned about corruption and some of the issues, controversy, overthe vaccine _ of the issues, controversy, overthe vaccine procurement and externally, he must _ vaccine procurement and externally, he must face china's pressure and as well as— he must face china's pressure and as well as what— he must face china's pressure and as well as what he is going to say first— well as what he is going to say first of— well as what he is going to say
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first of all— well as what he is going to say first of all in his acceptance speech— first of all in his acceptance speech as well as his inauguration speech, _ speech as well as his inauguration speech, vis—a—vis china's positioning. speech, vis-a-vis china's positioning.— speech, vis-a-vis china's ”ositionin. ., ., , positioning. you mention his... there are _ positioning. you mention his... there are three _ positioning. you mention his... there are three parties - positioning. you mention his... i there are three parties contesting this presidential race. i want to get more in depth on that injust this presidential race. i want to get more in depth on that in just a moment but first of all, we heard shaimaa khalil tell us that the dpp presidential candidate —— tpp_ shaimaa khalil tell us that the dpp presidential candidate —— tpp. also conceding. this presidential candidate -- tpp. also concedinu. �* , ., ., conceding. as i mentioned earlier, 0 - osition conceding. as i mentioned earlier, opposition camp — conceding. as i mentioned earlier, opposition camp split _ conceding. as i mentioned earlier, opposition camp split into - conceding. as i mentioned earlier, opposition camp split into two - opposition camp split into two parties — opposition camp split into two parties and the two parties vote combined — parties and the two parties vote combined is over 60% of total votes. you can— combined is over 60% of total votes. you can see — combined is over 60% of total votes. you can see that this is a very unfortunate situation. 60% of voters actually _ unfortunate situation. 60% of voters actually wanted a change of government but yet we now have a rather _ government but yet we now have a rather weakened president and i think— rather weakened president and i think it — rather weakened president and i think it will be important to see how he — think it will be important to see how he will deal with a rather divided — how he will deal with a rather divided legislative view as well when — divided legislative view as well when dpp is also likely to lose the
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majority— when dpp is also likely to lose the majority with tpp and kuomintang combined — majority with tpp and kuomintang combined will hold majority seats. you mentioned that the two parties that have conceded, combined is more than william lai's vote count for the dpp for the presidential race. there was a point in time when those two parties were looking to form a joint ticket and if they had, in hindsight, they could look back and say that was a really big missed opportunity?— say that was a really big missed opportunity? say that was a really big missed ouortuni ? . �*, , ., , opportunity? that's right, yeah. up to the last period _ opportunity? that's right, yeah. up to the last period of— opportunity? that's right, yeah. up to the last period of the _ opportunity? that's right, yeah. up to the last period of the race, - to the last period of the race, people — to the last period of the race, people were still hopeful that the two opposition parties can forge an alliance _ two opposition parties can forge an alliance and unfortunately, that didn't— alliance and unfortunately, that didn't happen. that has sort of become — didn't happen. that has sort of become the deciding factor that lai is likely— become the deciding factor that lai is likely to — become the deciding factor that lai is likely to win and also the split votes _ is likely to win and also the split votes among the voters are likely to be the _ votes among the voters are likely to be the final— votes among the voters are likely to be the final decision makers that could _ be the final decision makers that could change the game. we be the final decision makers that could change the game.- be the final decision makers that could change the game. we are going to cross node — could change the game. we are going to cross node to _ could change the game. we are going to cross node to another— could change the game. we are going to cross node to another guest - could change the game. we are going to cross node to another guest that i to cross node to another guest that we can speak to. thanks very much, do stay with us for a bit longer. we can speak to a historian... just a
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missing munication on my part, let's keep going with jason. we will get to albert in a moment. jason, the fact that they could have had a joint ticket, could have had a different outcome, lessons have to be learned then. but the two parties, the tpp and the kmt, you have to bear in mind that they also were not close enough on the key issues because they had a very public falling out in a press conference when they were supposed to be projecting a common front? that's right and i think we have to recognise — that's right and i think we have to recognise that this election is very much _ recognise that this election is very much also — recognise that this election is very much also an election on china as well _ much also an election on china as well going — much also an election on china as well. going forward, if the opposition parties were to compete with the _ opposition parties were to compete with the dpp on the issues concerning china, there must be a new narrative or new strategy that could _ new narrative or new strategy that could convince the people of taiwan that there _ could convince the people of taiwan that there are other parties that can handle and safeguard democracy
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of taiwan— can handle and safeguard democracy of taiwan better than dpp. i think the opposition parties must work harder— the opposition parties must work harder to — the opposition parties must work harder to convince people of taiwan that they _ harder to convince people of taiwan that they can deliver a better china policy _ that they can deliver a better china oli . ., , . policy. thanks very much, jason. we're going _ policy. thanks very much, jason. we're going to — policy. thanks very much, jason. we're going to come _ policy. thanks very much, jason. we're going to come back- policy. thanks very much, jason. we're going to come back to - policy. thanks very much, jason. we're going to come back to the | we're going to come back to the studio in london for a minute so we can get set up with our guest. to give you a bit more context of how the selection plays out and what it means which i won's relationship with china going forward. —— taiwan's relationship. thanks, steve. we have the scenes at the dpp rally in taipei. as you can see, scenes ofjubilation you saw there with our correspondent shaimaa khalil with some veryjubilant khalil with some very jubilant supporters. khalil with some veryjubilant supporters. we know that in the last few minutes, bearing in mind that the ballots only closed, what, just overfour the ballots only closed, what, just over four hours ago? it has been extraordinarily rapid, the whole
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counting process, butjust in the last few minutes, as you were hearing there from steve and the team in taiwan, kmt, the main opposition party, conceded defeat. their leader congratulated the democratic progressive party's leader, william lai. also in the last few minutes, the tpp, very much younger party, only came on the scene a few years ago, appealed to younger people, they also conceded defeat. let's go back to steve just to bring us right up to date with the latest lines coming out of taiwan. thanks forjoining me back in taipei as the results have been coming in and we are expecting to hear a victory speech by the presidential candidates from the democratic
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progressive party william lai shortly. especially after we have had two concession speeches from the other two opposition parties, the kuomintang as well as the tpp, the taiwan people's party. let's set this in some context, i'm joint here on the rooftop by a taiwan historian. albert, give us some context to what we have been seeing. the dpp looking like they are going to have a third successive term as president of taiwan?— president of taiwan? yeah, it is unprecedented. _ president of taiwan? yeah, it is unprecedented. from _ president of taiwan? yeah, it is unprecedented. from 2000 - president of taiwan? yeah, it is unprecedented. from 2000 to l president of taiwan? yeah, it is - unprecedented. from 2000 to 2008, the dpp had two terms and then 2008 to 2016, the kmt had two terms so this would be the first time that the dpp had won three times in a row so it does mark a new uncharted territory for taiwanese politics. democracy in taiwan is incredibly vibrant but democracy in taiwan doesn't date that far back? yes and
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no. the doesn't date that far back? yes and no- the first _ doesn't date that far back? yes and no. the first time _ doesn't date that far back? yes and no. the first time there _ doesn't date that far back? yes and no. the first time there was - doesn't date that far back? yes and no. the first time there was a - no. the first time there was a presidential election was only 1996, so in that sense, it is very young. but even under authoritarian law, the kmt allowed for local elections and also some form of national elections for some representatives so there was the practice of voting, but of course, yeah, they were sort of limited in terms of the types of people that they could vote for and how the ballots were counted. yes and how they _ how the ballots were counted. yes and how they would have different parties with very different ideology is putting forward their case to be able to be ruling the self ruled island of taiwan. if we stay with kmt, they are the longest party in taiwan. give it a bit of context about them, how they were formed? so, i think this is one of the big stories is the decline of kmt support. at least looking at the numbers, they will do less well than in 2020 and if you look at all of
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the identity poles, the kmt in terms of core issues of how do people identify in terms of whether they are chinese, taiwanese, the kmt is losing support on that core fundamental issue. i think you do see that in the kmt�*s loss of numbers but also the rise of the tpp as this third, that they are siphoning away some of the votes from the kmt. i! siphoning away some of the votes from the kmt.— from the kmt. if we talk about identity for _ from the kmt. if we talk about identity for taiwan _ from the kmt. if we talk about identity for taiwan and - from the kmt. if we talk about identity for taiwan and how - from the kmt. if we talk about. identity for taiwan and how they from the kmt. if we talk about - identity for taiwan and how they see themselves, in the context of a relationship with china, this new party, the taiwan people's party, has a lot of support from young people in taiwan that perhaps want a new path or want a bit of a change from the more established two parties of the dpp and the kmt? yeah, and i think that is their strategy that they want to be a little ambiguous about how they identify themselves and throughout the campaign, the tpp have been
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quite clever and at times signalling that they are more of a taiwanese identity and that he will shift back, ko wen—ji. at least to the younger voters that i have talked to, they seemed to like that ambiguity in terms of identity and it also is linked to their masterful use of social media. they are able to tap into that.— use of social media. they are able to tap into that. how would you rate their success _ to tap into that. how would you rate their success in _ to tap into that. how would you rate their success in terms _ to tap into that. how would you rate their success in terms of _ to tap into that. how would you rate their success in terms of this - their success in terms of this election because mike they are only a young party, they won a few seats in the last election, this is their second election. they have done better, is there hope for them to get more seats in legislature this year? get more seats in legislature this ear? , ~ , ., get more seats in legislature this ear? , ~ year? yes, i think they are probably auoin to year? yes, i think they are probably going to come _ year? yes, i think they are probably going to come down _ year? yes, i think they are probably going to come down as _ year? yes, i think they are probably going to come down as one - year? yes, i think they are probably going to come down as one of - year? yes, i think they are probably going to come down as one of the i year? yes, i think they are probably. going to come down as one of the big winners tonight because it seems like there is not going to be a clear majority within the legislature so ko wen—ji's party can be the pin make it in certain
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issues. they can vote strategically with the kmt on certain issues, vote strategically with the dpp on others. they can push certain types of legislative agendas forward. i think what really is a striking and i went to their rally yesterday is that their base really is among people from 2a to a0 so it bodes well, if they can continue to harness this energy, for the next election cycle. 3 million votes is no laughing matter in terms of the national stage so the only question is whether they can organise their party in a coherent fashion. 50. is whether they can organise their party in a coherent fashion.- party in a coherent fashion. so, it seems the _ party in a coherent fashion. so, it seems the dpp _ party in a coherent fashion. so, it seems the dpp have _ party in a coherent fashion. so, it seems the dpp have won - party in a coherent fashion. so, it seems the dpp have won the - seems the dpp have won the presidential election and the tpp, the taiwan people's party, have made inroads and ground very quickly in the last four years in the shift in the last four years in the shift in the politics from the established two parties. that kind of leaves the kmt, the oldest party in taiwan and also the main opposition party, is
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it fair to call them the biggest loser in the selection? i it fair to call them the biggest loser in the selection?- it fair to call them the biggest loser in the selection? i think all three parties _ loser in the selection? i think all three parties can _ loser in the selection? i think all three parties can claim - loser in the selection? i think all three parties can claim a - loser in the selection? i think all three parties can claim a certain | three parties can claim a certain victory. the kmt, i think they will still be quite big in the legislatures, they can say they prevented the dpp from retaining their majority. but i think on the other hand, yeah, they certainly could be considered the biggest losers. although, ithink could be considered the biggest losers. although, i think all three parties would have a coherent story to say, oh, we won in a certain way. thanks very much, we are going to cross live to shaimaa khalil at the democratic progressive party's victory celebrations that are going on at the headquarters. i know it is loud where you are, i'll be getting closer to hearing the acceptance speech from william lai? i closer to hearing the acceptance speech from william lai?- closer to hearing the acceptance speech from william lai? i think so. we are hearing _ speech from william lai? i think so. we are hearing a _ speech from william lai? i think so. we are hearing a lot _ speech from william lai? i think so. we are hearing a lot from _ speech from william lai? i think so. we are hearing a lot from party - we are hearing a lot from party officials and other legislature members and we are expecting him quite soon, i think. when exactly? i
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can't tell you but what i can tell you is that there is a great sense of excitement and every time a concession speech comes on the screen, every time pictures from other rallies of other parties, on the screen, there is a great deal of excitement and a cheer as the supporters now know that they are edging very, very close towards that victory. essentially celebrating the victory. essentially celebrating the victory with their candidate. the last name of the presidential and vice presidential candidate, there has been nervousness and anxiety here because remember, that when it is not a landslide. these numbers were really, really close. it kept the people on the edge for such a long time. many people have told me they were confident but were very nervous. can ijust quickly say hello to, what is your name? my name is joe . hello to, what is your name? my name is joey- how — hello to, what is your name? my name is joey- how do — hello to, what is your name? my name is joey- how do you — hello to, what is your name? my name is joey. how do you feel _ hello to, what is your name? my name is joey. how do you feel right - hello to, what is your name? my name is joey. how do you feel right now? .
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is joey. how do you feel right now? reall , is joey. how do you feel right now? really. really _ is joey. how do you feel right now? really, really exciting _ is joey. how do you feel right now? really, really exciting and - is joey. how do you feel right now? really, really exciting and finally i really, really exciting and finally can sleep — really, really exciting and finally can sleep tonight! and really, really exciting and finally can sleep tonight!— really, really exciting and finally can sleep tonight! and can breathe! i saw ou can sleep tonight! and can breathe! i saw you were _ can sleep tonight! and can breathe! i saw you were a — can sleep tonight! and can breathe! i saw you were a bit _ can sleep tonight! and can breathe! i saw you were a bit anxious, - can sleep tonight! and can breathe! i saw you were a bit anxious, how i can sleep tonight! and can breathe! | i saw you were a bit anxious, how do you feel that victory is arrived? it is democracy, right? actually for us, i_ is democracy, right? actually for us, l was — is democracy, right? actually for us, i was voting kmt before, a long time ago. _ us, i was voting kmt before, a long time ago, and then i vote to tpp before _ time ago, and then i vote to tpp before and — time ago, and then i vote to tpp before and now definitely dpp because right now, we know what we are fighting _ because right now, we know what we are fighting for. fighting for people. _ are fighting for. fighting for people, fighting for our democracy. just quickly because my colleague steve has been discussing with guests about china and their reaction, are you worried? you have your son, are you worried as a mother about them?— your son, are you worried as a mother about them? yes, of course. we love taiwan, _ mother about them? yes, of course. we love taiwan, we _ mother about them? yes, of course. we love taiwan, we live _ mother about them? yes, of course. we love taiwan, we live in _ mother about them? yes, of course. we love taiwan, we live in taiwan, i we love taiwan, we live in taiwan, our kids. _ we love taiwan, we live in taiwan, our kids. our— we love taiwan, we live in taiwan, our kids, our future, we love taiwan, we live in taiwan, our kids, ourfuture, everything, we are team _ our kids, ourfuture, everything, we are team taiwan, we want to keep going! _ are team taiwan, we want to keep going! but— are team taiwan, we want to keep going! but there is no other country going _ going! but there is no other country going to _ going! but there is no other country going to come by us because we know hon- going to come by us because we know hong kong _ going to come by us because we know hong kong. fire going to come by us because we know hon: kona. �* i. .,
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going to come by us because we know hon: kona. �* ., hong kong. are you worried about china told? _ hong kong. are you worried about china told? yes. _ hong kong. are you worried about china told? yes. there _ hong kong. are you worried about china told? yes. there you - hong kong. are you worried about china told? yes. there you go, . china told? yes. there you go, excitement. — china told? yes. there you go, excitement, victory _ china told? yes. there you go, excitement, victory but - china told? yes. there you go, excitement, victory but a - china told? yes. there you go, excitement, victory but a little bit of worry in the back of their minds about how beijing is going to react to this win. he has been dubbed the troublemaker, william lai, and now beijing would have to react to him being the president elect of taiwan. fascinating to see the celebrations going on at the dpp headquarters there with shaimaa khalil. very clear from the people she is speaking with that they are very excited about what it means for the dpp victory. i have a guest with me, we will talk a bit more about what we will talk a bit more about what we have been seeing, law professor at the national taiwan university. michelle, we havejust been at the national taiwan university. michelle, we have just been seeing shaimaa khalil at the dpp headquarters, a lot of people very excited about the victory that william lai imminently is about to proclaim. i want to get your reaction to that first of all? first reaction to that first of all? first of all, it reaction to that first of all? first of all. it is _ reaction to that first of all? first
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of all. it is a _ reaction to that first of all? first of all, it is a huge _ reaction to that first of all? first of all, it is a huge victory - reaction to that first of all? first of all, it is a huge victory for- reaction to that first of all? f “st of all, it is a huge victory for the dpp. it is very close and a lot of people have been waiting nervously to see, because we know it is going to see, because we know it is going to be very close. we haven't had such a three—way close election since 2000 and there were a lot of fears. ., ~ ., , since 2000 and there were a lot of fears. . ~ ., , ., ,., fears. talking a little bit about that election _ fears. talking a little bit about that election in _ fears. talking a little bit about that election in 2000 - fears. talking a little bit about that election in 2000 where i fears. talking a little bit about. that election in 2000 where there were three party candidates up for election for the presidency. it split parliament, what does that mean? it split parliament, what does that mean? ., , ., split parliament, what does that mean? .,, , , split parliament, what does that mean? ,, ~ mean? it was a surprise victory. a lot of scholars _ mean? it was a surprise victory. a lot of scholars date _ mean? it was a surprise victory. a lot of scholars date his _ mean? it was a surprise victory. a lot of scholars date his victory - mean? it was a surprise victory. a lot of scholars date his victory as i lot of scholars date his victory as the moments where people felt comfortable proclaiming themselves as taiwanese. here is where we should probably have some... we should probably have some... we should view the victory is a victory today but i think the dpp has a really important decision to make in the next four years because it is a close election and they will have to really listen to what voters want because had the white blue alliance
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not failed, he would have lost. the white blue alliance being the kuomintang and the taiwan people's party and the fact they didn't have an alliance going into this election which we spoke about with our previous guest. you mentioned then about the young people of taiwan and william lai having to listen to other voices. william lai having to listen to othervoices. identity william lai having to listen to other voices. identity as well plays a part in all of this, how do you think taiwan sees itself or what can be read into these election results about high taiwan identifies itself? —— how taiwan? for my generation, for the people who came of age of 2a years ago, taiwanese identity was subversive. it meant saying we won't chinese and we are going to acknowledge a0 years of martial law, we are going to embrace democracy, embrace freedom and i think taiwanese identity has lost that subversive edge for the younger generation who view it as self—evident. i was born in taiwan, why wouldn't i be taiwanese, why would i be chinese? in that sense,
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you have to really speak to young voters and figure out what they want and i think they are tired of talk of relations, they want cheaper housing, they want rent protections, they want more wage mobility. these are real domestic issues. on the other hand, i should also say that there are 5.5 million tiktok users in taiwan. there is a pro—china news outweighing pro taiwan news by a factor of ten to one so there are also ongoing efforts by china to spread disinformation. that said, i do think that the dpp doesn't need to listen to what young voters want domestically and the vote for the tpp is a protest vote against the dpp whom they believe have not listened to them for years. when you sa the listened to them for years. when you say the young — listened to them for years. when you say the young vote. _ listened to them for years. when you say the young vote, just _ listened to them for years. when you say the young vote, just quickly, - say the young vote, just quickly, want to move away from the geopolitics of the day and the
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rhetoric that the dpp has with china and focus more on the bread and butter issues that they are concerned about? i butter issues that they are concerned about?- butter issues that they are concerned about? ~ . , ., concerned about? i think that is a fair way to _ concerned about? i think that is a fair way to phrase _ concerned about? i think that is a fair way to phrase it _ concerned about? i think that is a fair way to phrase it although - concerned about? i think that is a fair way to phrase it although i i fair way to phrase it although i would also add that i think china, it is impossible to avoid the china factor. the fact remains that china can shape how taiwanese economy through suddenly banning fish imports, pineapple imports, in that sense, everybody does have to tread cautiously on china. you can never really escape the china issue. even as you say you support bread—and—butter issues. as you say you support bread-and-butter issues. michelle, thank ou bread-and-butter issues. michelle, thank you very _ bread-and-butter issues. michelle, thank you very much _ bread-and-butter issues. michelle, thank you very much for _ bread-and-butter issues. michelle, thank you very much for speaking i thank you very much for speaking with me today. law professor at the national taiwan university. we will be staying here in taipei talking to more people, getting more analysis as the results get formally confirmed by the election commission and we have that speech by what seems to be the winner, william lai, from the democratic progressive party. do stay with us here on bbc.
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in the meantime, back to you in london. steve, thank you so much for that analysis. as you say, we will be back with you in taipei as we get more reaction to the results of the taiwan elections which look pretty much set. we have been showing you the jubilant pictures from the democratic progressive party's rally. do stay with us here on bbc news. there is plenty more to come. hello, there. most of us have seen plenty of this today, a lot of cloud around, but it is predominantly dry. the weather story, though, is on the change from tomorrow and into next week. it's going to turn noticeably colder with a risk of snow, even at lower levels in the north. and, yes, we will see some severe night—time frost. for the here and now, though, for the start of this weekend, we've got this cold front sinking its way steadily southwards. the real cold air not quite arriving yet, but it means some brighter skies behind that cold front, a scattering of showers to the north west of the great glen and some sunshine to the east
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of the pennines. our weather front moving out of northern ireland into central and southern england. here we will continue to see a fair amount of cloud through the day, but it will stay relatively warmer than it has been. we're looking at highs of around a to 8 degrees. as we move through the night, that blanket of cloud will continue to linger across england and wales. so that will prevent temperatures from falling too far. some clearer skies further north, the breeze picking up and changing more to a northerly. so some of those showers in the far north of scotland will be of snow. here it will be a chilly start to sunday morning. so, the cold air starting to push into scotland. some of those showers at lower levels now starting to turn to snow. there will be some sunshine across the scottish borders into the north of england, along with northern ireland. few scattered showers from that weak weather front sinking south across england and wales. here we keep temperatures 5 to 7 degrees, but a colder story starting to develop into scotland. that cold air will continue to dominate into monday.
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further snow into scotland, wintry showers into northern ireland, dry but cold elsewhere, predominantly sunny. however, as we move out of monday into tuesday, this little weather front could enhance the risk of snow into northern ireland and potentially northern england. so, anywhere north of this could see further snow and we'll start to see accumulations gathering. some disruption is likely. to the south of that, it still stays cold, but it should be quite sunny with it. so temperatures here around three or four degrees, but struggling in scotland — below freezing in rural parts. then there were some thoughts that this area of low pressure could bring some snow for a time across southern england. but, at the moment, computer models want to take it over to france. so here it looks slightly quieter.
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this is bbc news. the headlines. the us military says they have carried out a fresh new strike on a houthi target in yemen, a day after dozens of similar us—british air strikes across the country. houthis say the us strikes had no significant impact on their ability to continue attacks on vessels in the red sea. and in the uk, the minister responsible for the post office has called for jail time for those responsible for an it scandal in which hundreds of workers were falsely accused of theft.
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we'll be heading back to taiwan for the reactions of the results of the election there but let's stick to some other stories now. the israeli bombardment of gaza has continued overnight, with the crowded southern cities of khan younis and rafah bearing the brunt. rockets were also fired from gaza into southern israel. the israeli military says overnight, its forces killed three palestinians armed with knives, a rifle and axes, who were trying to break into a settlement in the occupied west bank. official palestinian media say two were aged 16, and one 19. the area around adora has now been sealed off. meanwhile hamas run gaza's health ministry says, a total of 23,8a3 palestinians have been killed and over 60,000 have been wounded in israeli strikes on gaza since oct 7th.
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the figures included 135 palestinians killed and 312 woundedin the previous 2a hours. the us has launched a new strike against the houthis in yemen. military officials say they hit a radar site with missiles fired from the uss carney, based in the red sea. they've described the fresh strike as a "follow—on action" to there joint attacks yesterday, which authorities say are designed to "degrade the houthis ability to attack maritime vessels". earlier, president biden had warned the us would respond if the iran—backed group continued what he called "outrageous behaviour" in attacking shipping in the red sea. on friday, the us and uk hit around 30 sites across yemen, including the capital city of sana'a. houthi leaders said five people were killed, and have warned of more retaliation. our correspondent, graham satchell has more before and after — satellite images show
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the impact of the american and british bombing raids. the americans say airfields and weapons storage depots were destroyed. the raf didn't take part in the new attack overnight, but both the british and americans say the raids are vital to keep shipping routes open in the red sea. houthi militia have been targeting container ships off the yemeni coast for weeks. sometimes, like this, they have boarded vessels. in other attacks, they used drones and missiles. they say they are disrupting this key shipping route to show their support for palestinians in gaza. yemen sits at a key strategic position in the middle east, especially for global shipping. the normal route from the far east goes around the coast of yemen, through the red sea and the suez canal. it has been significantly disrupted. most vessels are now taking the longer route around southern africa. it means delay and extra
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cost to global commerce. a huge rally in the yemeni capital, sana'a. protesters burned the american and israeli flags. millions in yemen and across the arab world are appalled by israel's conduct of the war in gaza, and they see the current air strikes by the west as an escalation. a houthi military spokesman said british and american criminal aggression would not go unanswered or unpunished. the americans maintain air strikes are a proportionate response, and they're talking down a wider conflict. we absolutely do not want to see an extension of the conflict in gaza broader into the region and will continue to work hard on that. but at the same time, we can't allow the houthis to continue to conduct these
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attacks, putting innocent mariners' lives at risk and affecting the global economy. the houthis are backed but not controlled by iran. the clear worry now is that what's happening in gaza and the red sea spreads and escalates to the wider region. graham satchell, bbc news. hundreds of thousands have gathered in london in protest against the war in gaza as the conflict widens to yemen. live now to nicky schiller, our correspondent who's at the march hello. tell us what is happening where you are. i am in bank in central london and the march, pro—palestinian martyr, is just about to get under way. you can see behind me thousands of
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people are gathered here in the centre and it is the first big match of the year. last year on various saturdays, there were marches in support of the palestinian people in gaza. this is the 7th of march, the first big one of 202a. the organisers are saying it is today because there are other protests, marches happening in 30 countries around the world. that is why it is taking part here today. what is going to happen is, the next few minutes, these tens of thousands of people are going to set off on a specified route the police have specified route the police have specified which will take them through various parts of london. they will leave here and move along fleet street, down the embankment and end up in parliament square where they will be speeches a little bit later. interestingly, we have just seen a giant 3500 metre puppet which is in the crowd. you may be able to see it. it is a little girl.
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basically this puppet travelled from the turkish syrian border back in 2021 and arrived in manchester. it is joining the march 2021 and arrived in manchester. it isjoining the march here 2021 and arrived in manchester. it is joining the march here today to highlight the plight of palestinian refugees particularly children and some palestinian children will be marketing —— marketing with a 3.5 metre that they tear. the main message of the march is calling for an immediate ceasefire. a lot of the banners i have seen say ceasefire now, and people have been chanting it along with, stop bombing gaza. there are thousands of people here and they will move off in the next few minutes along that specified route which will eventually take them to parliament square where they will be some speeches later on. i know it is always difficult when you are there to get a sense of how many people there are around where you are, but what i can see there will
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be a significant number of people. presumably, a significance police operation bearing in mind where you are and the significant major routes which will have to be partially closed off. that is right. the met police say around 1700 officers are on duty today and i have seen a large police presence. the met police say they want to be able to allow people to protest but they are also highlighting the fact they needed to be staying within the law. there is a leaflet they are handing out which says, keep on the right side of the law. it says the law protects lawful protest and the police supports you but they want the law to protect people from religious abuse and terrorism being promoted. it talks about words that must not be used in that you must not incite a racist or
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hatred against any faiths. the police highlighted the fact you need do need to stay within the law because at the other protests, many have been peaceful but they were a number of arrests. over the course of those last process last year, 30 people were arrested and are still going through the system for inciting under the terrorism laws that we have in this country. the police are saying they will keep an eye on what is being chanted and also what is on the banners but they won't allow people here to have a peaceful protest. there is a large police presence on the streets today. tomorrow, there will also be a pro israel demonstration and protest and that'll be in trafalgar square, a static one. it is both today and tomorrow, pro—palestinian today and tomorrow, pro—palestinian today and tomorrow, pro—palestinian today and a pro is really one in the centre of london tomorrow.- today and a pro is really one in the centre of london tomorrow. thank you ve much
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centre of london tomorrow. thank you very much for— centre of london tomorrow. thank you very much for that. _ centre of london tomorrow. thank you very much for that. we _ centre of london tomorrow. thank you very much for that. we will— centre of london tomorrow. thank you very much for that. we will check- centre of london tomorrow. thank you very much for that. we will check in i very much for that. we will check in with him when the match gets under way. there's been a huge rise in the amount of money stolen by scammers advertising fake jobs here in the uk. according to action fraud, con artists send out text and whatsapp messages to people, offering them roles with a high wage let's move to taiwan. as you will be aware, that i election has been taking place and we are nowjust going to tune into the victory speeches by the democratic progressive party. it has become clear that they have won the taiwanese election. our correspondent is there. perhaps you can tell us what we are expecting to hear. yes, we have a live report, live footage we can bring you on the acceptance speech by william lai. he
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is the presidential candidate for the democratic progressive party. we will be able to sort out the pictures for you so you can see the crowds gathered. there is a bit of a party here. the question remains, will he be taiwanese successor in real terms and in policy terms quez market we can get the thoughts of my guest now to talk a bit more of that. i was senior china analyst. we have just seen pictures of william lai making his remarks, accepting his victory speech. how do you see him, orwhat his victory speech. how do you see him, or what is he saying, what will he be saying to his supporters there with him? ., , he be saying to his supporters there with him? . , , with him? that is interesting because even _ with him? that is interesting because even though - with him? that is interesting because even though he - with him? that is interesting because even though he has| with him? that is interesting - because even though he has won, he is winning _ because even though he has won, he is winning with about ao% of the vote and — is winning with about ao% of the vote and this is in contrast to the
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landslide — vote and this is in contrast to the landslide victories in 2020. in a way, _ landslide victories in 2020. in a way, this— landslide victories in 2020. in a way, this was a win for the dpp but not a _ way, this was a win for the dpp but not a resounding win, nor is it a resounding _ not a resounding win, nor is it a resounding endorsement of dpp's governance. resounding endorsement of dpp's governance-— resounding endorsement of dpp's covernance. ., ., ~:: , ., governance. you mention 6096 of the --oulation governance. you mention 6096 of the population want _ governance. you mention 6096 of the population want to _ governance. you mention 6096 of the population want to see _ governance. you mention 6096 of the population want to see change - governance. you mention 6096 of the population want to see change but i population want to see change but they were split by the other two opposition parties. was that the failure of their part because they have the opportunity to come together to be one party in the selection?— together to be one party in the selection? , ., , ., , selection? they was an extremely dramatic series _ selection? they was an extremely dramatic series of _ selection? they was an extremely dramatic series of days _ selection? they was an extremely dramatic series of days in - selection? they was an extremely dramatic series of days in which i selection? they was an extremely i dramatic series of days in which the opposition— dramatic series of days in which the opposition try to form a coalition ticket _ opposition try to form a coalition ticket and — opposition try to form a coalition ticket and that blew up quite dramatically on live tv. absolutely, the opposition had a chance and it is useful— the opposition had a chance and it is useful to — the opposition had a chance and it is useful to note here that this is taiwan's— is useful to note here that this is taiwan's first, it is historic,
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because _ taiwan's first, it is historic, because it _ taiwan's first, it is historic, because it is the third consecutive term _ because it is the third consecutive term for— because it is the third consecutive term for a — because it is the third consecutive term for a major party in taiwan. it was clear— term for a major party in taiwan. it was clear from the voting share that the people _ was clear from the voting share that the people of taiwan wanted to see change _ the people of taiwan wanted to see change but the opposition fumbled the ball _ change but the opposition fumbled the ball. ~ ~ ., change but the opposition fumbled the ball. ~ . . ., _, the ball. with william lai coming into power. _ the ball. with william lai coming into power. he — the ball. with william lai coming into power, he was _ the ball. with william lai coming into power, he was a _ the ball. with william lai coming into power, he was a former - the ball. with william lai coming into power, he was a former vice | into power, he was a former vice president and now he will become the president, do you see him following the policy is given the margin of victory this time around isn't so resounding?— resounding? william lai and olitical resounding? william lai and political interest _ resounding? william lai and political interest at - resounding? william lai and political interest at the - resounding? william lai and political interest at the top | resounding? william lai and| political interest at the top of resounding? william lai and - political interest at the top of his term _ political interest at the top of his term to — political interest at the top of his term to persuade 60% of the population did not vote for him that he will— population did not vote for him that he will be _ population did not vote for him that he will be a — population did not vote for him that he will be a steady hand at the wheel. — he will be a steady hand at the wheel, not to mention he will have in his— wheel, not to mention he will have in his interest to persuade washington, washington has been watching _ washington, washington has been watching this race closely but they will also _ watching this race closely but they will also need to be convinced that william _ will also need to be convinced that william lai — will also need to be convinced that william lai will be stable, so i think— william lai will be stable, so i think he — william lai will be stable, so i think he has every interest to
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pursue — think he has every interest to pursue the path he has promised he would _ pursue the path he has promised he would go _ pursue the path he has promised he would go down on. what pursue the path he has promised he would go down on.— would go down on. what you think china's reaction _ would go down on. what you think china's reaction is _ would go down on. what you think china's reaction is going _ would go down on. what you think china's reaction is going to - would go down on. what you think china's reaction is going to be - would go down on. what you think china's reaction is going to be to l china's reaction is going to be to william lai becoming the president and dpp are continuing to be in control? a and dpp are continuing to be in control? 1, ., , ., and dpp are continuing to be in control? 1, . , ., . ., control? baiting has made it clear the see control? baiting has made it clear they see him _ control? baiting has made it clear they see him as _ control? baiting has made it clear they see him as a _ control? baiting has made it clear they see him as a troublemaker, . control? baiting has made it clear i they see him as a troublemaker, as they see him as a troublemaker, as the amount— they see him as a troublemaker, as the amount they can't trust. —— beijing — the amount they can't trust. —— beijing i— the amount they can't trust. —— beijing. ithink the amount they can't trust. —— beijing. i think it is quite likely we beijing. ! think it is quite likely we will— beijing. i think it is quite likely we will see pressures increase from beijing _ we will see pressures increase from beijing either in the form of economic or military pressures and that pressure might increase after william _ that pressure might increase after william lai assumes office. at that point, _ william lai assumes office. at that point, he _ william lai assumes office. at that point, he was given he will give an inauguration speech. at that point, it is possible we will see larger show— it is possible we will see larger show of— it is possible we will see larger show of force from beijing. do it is possible we will see larger show of force from beijing. show of force from bei'ing. do you think it's show of force from bei'ing. do you think its a — show of force from bei'ing. do you think it's a possibility _ show of force from beijing. do you think it's a possibility we _ show of force from beijing. do you think it's a possibility we might - think it's a possibility we might see that micro...
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think it's a possibility we might see that micro. . ._ see that micro... anything is ossible see that micro... anything is possible at — see that micro... anything is possible at this _ see that micro... anything is possible at this point. - see that micro... anything is possible at this point. the i see that micro... anything is i possible at this point. the only reason — possible at this point. the only reason i — possible at this point. the only reason i think it may be in beijing's_ reason i think it may be in beijing's interest to lean into it more _ beijing's interest to lean into it more discreet forms of pressure in this three—month period is mostly because _ this three—month period is mostly because she'sjinping and biden met in november. we have seen progress. we saw— in november. we have seen progress. we saw a _ in november. we have seen progress. we saw a visit to the us. $0, i don't — we saw a visit to the us. $0, i don't sense _ we saw a visit to the us. $0, i don't sense that either side really wants— don't sense that either side really wants to — don't sense that either side really wants to tear up the marginal progress _ wants to tear up the marginal progress they have made on the relationship but then again, let's see _ relationship but then again, let's see if— relationship but then again, let's see. ., ~' relationship but then again, let's see. . ~ ., see. if we talk about the legislature, _ see. if we talk about the legislature, the - see. if we talk about the legislature, the vote i see. if we talk about the legislature, the vote for| legislature, the vote for parliament, 113 votes. dpp have enjoyed a majority for the last eight years. are we likely to see the same this time around of shall
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we see a bit of a change? it is likely the _ we see a bit of a change? it is likely the dpp _ we see a bit of a change? it is likely the dpp won't _ we see a bit of a change? it is likely the dpp won't get a majority. in likely the dpp won't get a majority. in that _ likely the dpp won't get a majority. in that scenario, there are two different— in that scenario, there are two different scenarios, he wins a majority _ different scenarios, he wins a majority or neither of the major parties — majority or neither of the major parties win and that puts the third party— parties win and that puts the third party in _ parties win and that puts the third party in a — parties win and that puts the third party in a position of influence. in that situation, we will see both sides— that situation, we will see both sides try— that situation, we will see both sides try to court the ttp. that may vary policy — sides try to court the ttp. that may vary policy to _ sides try to court the ttp. that may vary policy to policy. _ sides try to court the ttp. that may vary policy to policy, depending i sides try to court the ttp. that may vary policy to policy, depending on. vary policy to policy, depending on what is on the table, is there a way to know all look ahead on various issues, say defence, for example and dpp's attitude towards china and which way they can get coordination or may be able to get support from the ttp? iii or may be able to get support from the ttp? , ., . the ttp? in terms of the fence, we should note _ the ttp? in terms of the fence, we should note that _ the ttp? in terms of the fence, we
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should note that both _ the ttp? in terms of the fence, we should note that both candidates i the ttp? in terms of the fence, we. should note that both candidates for the ttp _ should note that both candidates for the ttp and kmt have campaigned on strengthening taiwan's defence. they should _ strengthening taiwan's defence. they should be _ strengthening taiwan's defence. they should be in favour of pushing forward, — should be in favour of pushing forward, might i add, defence reforms — forward, might i add, defence reforms in taiwan. sometimes politics— reforms in taiwan. sometimes politics overall policy.- reforms in taiwan. sometimes politics overall policy. thank you so much for _ politics overall policy. thank you so much for speaking _ politics overall policy. thank you so much for speaking with i politics overall policy. thank you so much for speaking with me i politics overall policy. thank you i so much for speaking with me today and helping us understand the implications of the election results that came in incredibly quickly here in taiwan. polls closed ap in local time and it is only a ao 7pm and we have had speeches from the two opposition parties and william lai making his acceptance speech to become taiwan's next president. let's stay on those picture. that is william lai speaking at the campaign headquarters of the dpp. it took 20 minutes to fight their way through the crowd to get there. he is
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speaking he said, i want to thank the taiwanese people for writing a new chapter in our democracy. we have shown the world how much we cherish our democracy, this is our unwavering commitment. taiwan has achieved a victory for the community of democracies. just on the bbc news live web page which is a good place to keep up with the unfolding events in taiwan. william lai is saying, through our actions at the taiwanese people have successfully resisted efforts from external forces to influence our elections. we trust only the people of taiwan have the right to choose their president. extraordinarily important election in this year of elections. but taiwan is particularly important because the eyes of the world very much focusing on is because of its position, its geopolitical position
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between the us and china and rivalries between us and china as we have been hearing from our correspondents and contributors. we will be returning to taiwan right at the top of the our burlesque at a couple of story from the uk. there's been a huge rise in the amount of money stolen by scammers advertising fake jobs here in the uk. according to action fraud, con artists send out text and whatsapp messages to people, offering them roles with a high wage — and then trick them into handing over banking and card details. dan whitworth from radio a's money box has more. like many frauds, this is a numbers game. millions of scam messages get sent out and most are ignored. but itjust takes one to hit the right person at the right time — someone looking for a job or wanting to earn more money — for criminals to seize their opportunity. bella was caught out after she lost herjob and had posted her cv online, and after dozens of follow—up messages and phone calls over several days, she had £3,000 stolen.
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i didn't know if i could stop them, if there was a way of sorting it out. i had no idea how they'd left my account, really. just couldn't draw the two together. it was, yeah, three months' worth of work, two and a half months — the whole summer, 50—55 hour weeks — so i was pretty distraught and upset. last year, 126 people contacted action fraud to report being caught by this scam. nearly £1 million was stolen — 50 times as much as the year before. city of london police, the national lead for fraud, says these numbers are likely to be the tip of the iceberg as most victims don't report fraud because of feelings of embarrassment and shame. people on the outside that aren't looking forjobs, that aren't motivated to respond, sometimes they don't understand how people become victim of this type of crime, but, really, when we think about it,
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if you are concerned about a message or you think that there are alarm bells going off, that fraud is not going to get you. the fraud that gets you is the fraud that makes sense, and that's what these criminals do so well. if you get one of these messages, the advice is to ignore it, report it — you can forward scam texts to 7726 — and then delete it. dan whitworth, bbc news. dan whitworth from the money box spoke to me earlier — i asked him how much money was lost to the scams. so, in 2022, there was about £20,000 stolen from just 15 people in the uk through this particular type of scam. and then last year, thatjumped by 50 times, so the amount stolen was nearly £1 million. and, again, as you just heard in the report, then, it's worth remembering, those numbers arejust the reported ones — so the actual number is likely to be much higher. because we know, in general, fraud is a hugely underreported crime because people feel embarrassed,
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they feel ashamed, they feel guilty, so they don't report it. so the numbers are pretty stark — it really highlights an explosion in this type of fraud. absolutely, yeah — a massive explosion year on year. anyy sense of what's behind this huge rise? yes, there is. again, we know fraudsters, criminals, scammers, they will look to exploit any potential weaknesses that they can from victims. and, of course, for many people in the uk and around the world, they're living through a cost—of—living crisis, so if you get the opportunity to try to earn more money, to try to generate extra income, well, again, that's something that a lot of people will be interested in. and as with all fraud, it's a numbers game. they will send millions of these text messages or whatsapp messages advertising these fake jobs. most of them will get deleted and ignored, but if you are looking for a job, if you just happen to have lost yourjob, well, if they hit the right person at the right time, thieves will seize on that opportunity. and that's exactly what happened to an 18—year—old woman called bella from devon.
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she's hoping to start university in october. she's been working all summer to try to save up money — and, indeed, allautumn now. but in october, what happened to her, she lost herjob that she'd had for three years, she posted her cv online, then she got one of these whatsapp messages advertising a fake job. and, of course, she replied because she was the right person at the right time. that followed up with a couple of days of dozens of messages and phone calls. they elicited lots of personal, private information from her — as you would give over to any potential employer, so your bank details, potentially your card details. anyway, long story short, what happened to her is, she had £3,000 stolen. i'd say a lot of youth at the moment, including me, we're trying to start our life in a very expensive world. everything has gone up — car insurance has gone up, the cost of cars, moving out — everything is ridiculously expensive.
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and you're looking at jobs that pay you between £10, £13 an hour. and you've got limited hours, which means you're very likely to fall into this trap. i mean, i had a friend that did it about eight months ago and i was like, i neverthought... i talked about it, i talked to her, but i never thought i would do it. and then, six months later, i've done the exact same thing. and so, dan, it's really targeting people when they're in such a sort of desperate place, aren't they? and you get something and you can see why people would absolutelyjump on it. but, you know, you've given some advice there. really, what can people do to try and avoid being defrauded? well, firs of all, genuine recruitment companies will never try to approach you through a whatsapp or through a text message that comes out of the blue. so number one isjust be aware — if you're looking for a job, don't seize on an opportunity that might be too good to be true because it probably is. and if you get one of
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these text messages and it doesn't apply to you, you're not looking for a job, there are three things, really. firs of all, you want to ignore it. second of all, report it because it is useful intelligence for the authorities. in the uk, you could do that by forwarding your text messages to 7726 — that spells out spam on your keyboard — and then, of course, delete it. just a reminder of our top story today. that is the result of the taiwan election. you are looking there at the democratic progressive party's william lai who is set to become taiwan's next president. the ballot boxes, the only closed about five hours ago but in the last hour we had concession speeches from the two major opposition parties. speech is effectively conceding defeat.
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william lai making his victory speech. some of the rhine is coming out saying, i want to thank the taiwanese people for writing a new chapter in our democracy. we have shown the world how much we cherish our democracy, this is our unwavering commitment. we will have all the analysis from my colleagues in taiwan. stay with us and bbc news. hello, there. most of us have seen plenty of this today, a lot of cloud around, but it is predominantly dry. the weather story, though, is on the change from tomorrow and into next week. it's going to turn noticeably colder with a risk of snow, even at lower levels in the north. and, yes, we will see some severe night—time frost. for the here and now, though, for the start of this weekend, we've got this cold front sinking its way steadily southwards. the real cold air not quite arriving yet, but it means some brighter skies behind that cold front, a scattering of showers to the north west of the great glen and some sunshine to the east
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of the pennines. our weather front moving out of northern ireland into central and southern england. here we will continue to see a fair amount of cloud through the day, but it will stay relatively warmer than it has been. we're looking at highs of around a to 8 degrees. as we move through the night, that blanket of cloud will continue to linger across england and wales. so that will prevent temperatures from falling too far. some clearer skies further north, the breeze picking up and changing more to a northerly. so some of those showers in the far north of scotland will be of snow. here it will be a chilly start to sunday morning. so, the cold air starting to push into scotland. some of those showers at lower levels now starting to turn to snow. there will be some sunshine across the scottish borders into the north of england, along with northern ireland. few scattered showers from that weak weather front sinking south across england and wales. here we keep temperatures 5 to 7 degrees, but a colder story starting to develop into scotland. that cold air will continue to dominate into monday. further snow into scotland, wintry
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showers into northern ireland, dry but cold elsewhere, predominantly sunny. however, as we move out of monday into tuesday, this little weather front could enhance the risk of snow into northern ireland and potentially northern england. so, anywhere north of this could see further snow and we'll start to see accumulations gathering. some disruption is likely. to the south of that, it still stays cold, but it should be quite sunny with it. so temperatures here around three or four degrees, but struggling in scotland — below freezing in rural parts. then there were some thoughts that this area of low pressure could bring some snow for a time across southern england. but, at the moment, computer models want to take it over to france. so here it looks slightly quieter.
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live from london. this is bbc news. taiwan ruling party's william lai wins the presidential election after the main opposition party conceded defeat. iam i am steve lai in taipei. we will have all the reaction and the analysis to that victory speech by william lai injust a moment. the us military launches a fresh strike against a houthi target in yemen, a day afterjoint us—british air strikes across the country
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hello, iam hello, i am sarah campbell. thank you forjoining me here on bbc news. let's start in taiwan where william lai has won the elections and is set to become taiwan's president. lai is representing the governing dpp — and is set to succeed to the current president tsai ing—wen. lai has been labelled a troublemaker by china, as beijing warned people against voting for him. in his acceptance speech, he said he is "determined to safeguard taiwan from continuing threat and intimidation from china" and will maintain the cross—strait status quo. around 19 million voters were called to elect a new president. my colleague steve lai is in taipei and joins me now. over to you, steve. thanks very much for that. just five
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