saying yes, no, well, maybe, not are saying yes, no, well, maybe, not yet because we want to sort out the border with mexico first. and there are some people in the republican party he did not think the us should be funding ukraine anymore, it is a lost war pouring money after bad. grant shapps saying they will do grant shapps saying they will do more to support ukraine and send these ships?— more to support ukraine and send these ships? £2.5 billion by the uk over a period _ these ships? £2.5 billion by the uk over a period of _ these ships? £2.5 billion by the uk over a period of time _ these ships? £2.5 billion by the uk over a period of time is _ these ships? £2.5 billion by the uk over a period of time is not - these ships? £2.5 billion by the uk over a period of time is not the - over a period of time is not the same as £50 billion from the us right here and now. and another package which is being held up by hungary, that the eu would like to give ukraine. sol hungary, that the eu would like to give ukraine. so i think the bigger picture is that europe is already having to plan for how they are going to help ukraine through the coming two years, on the basis that there is a high chance there's going

to be a republican president and that the president could the donald trump, who has given indications that he may not be interested in funding ukraine to the same extent, if at all, to what this white house is doing. so the longer term picture is doing. so the longer term picture is not that great for ukraine, despite the fact its soldiers fight far better than the russians, their conditions are better and usually their morale is better. but they are in a tough position right now. they are having to move onto the defensive. there is talk of the coming russian offensive. russia rise very much on mass, on size. it hasn't got particularly sophisticated tactics, we saw that at the beginning of the campaign two years ago. they have learned some lessons. they have been good at defence, they have built a very strong defensive line in the south, in separation, which has prevented the ukrainian summer offensive from broking through. they have failed to

do that because the russians have sown so many minds and built so many trenches, covered it with drone and artillery fire. so they have got some tough challenges ahead of them. the ukrainians are not going to give up, they will fight right to the end. they are not going to let russia winless. but they are not winning themselves. so russia winless. but they are not winning themselves.— russia winless. but they are not winning themselves. so to recap the breakin: winning themselves. so to recap the breaking news _ winning themselves. so to recap the breaking news if _ winning themselves. so to recap the breaking news if you _ winning themselves. so to recap the breaking news if you are _ winning themselves. so to recap the breaking news if you are just - breaking news if you are just joining us, ukraine's airforce breaking news if you are just joining us, ukraine's air force as it has shot down a russian a 50 plane, which is the crucial one, and an elder 22 plane. can i turn to the middle east and grant shapps as well, because a lot of people were listening to what he said about that uk attack on the houthis and he is saying, to quote him, it was intended as a single action but they were monitoring the situation. what did you make of what he said? well. did you make of what he said? well, it was quite —

did you make of what he said? well, it was quite a — did you make of what he said? well, it was quite a chilean _ did you make of what he said? well, it was quite a chilean speech. - it was quite a chilean speech. anyone would think we had this incredibly powerful navy but the fact is our navy is tiny these days compared to what it used to be tiny compared to what it used to be tiny compared to what it used to be tiny compared to the multiple threats that it faces. it is not big enough to do all the tasks that's needed, or that are expected of it, as jonathan beale, the defence correspondent referred to. there is no sign of the queen elizabeth. we have these massively expensive two aircraft carriers that have been built at taxpayers expense, costing billions of pounds, they are not in the red sea, either of them. the fighters that are intercepting these houthi missiles, another was fired yesterday, they are coming off of the deck of the uss eisenhower, which is in the red sea. the uk type 45 destroyer that is down there, hms diamond, doesn't have [and attack missiles, so it can shoot down

missiles, so it can shoot down missiles at sea but it doesn't have [and attack cruise missiles. so that is a deficiency, i suppose. i am not a naval expert but that is one, a shortcoming that because of that, britain has had to deploy its typhoon fighters all the way over from cyprus that have to be refuelled on the way. so coming back to your question, is itjust a one off, i don't think it will be a one—off because the houthis are defined and say they will carry on attacking shipping, which they say is linked to israel. the rest of the world says, not all of it, you have been attacking ships which have nothing to do with israel and in fact over the weekend, they rather foolishly attacked a russian ship, a ship that was carrying russian oil by mistake because their marketing and intelligence is not perfect. the houthis will eventually run out of missiles but they still have enough

at the moment to potentially do what they threaten to do, which is a swarm attack, to launch a whole barrage of missiles and drones at a western warship to try and break through its air defences and cripple it or even think it. there is that risk. this happened on tuesday, last tuesday, last week, when they launch 21 tuesday, last week, when they launch 2i drones and missiles that got shot down by us and british forces. so thatis down by us and british forces. so that is a risk. find down by us and british forces. so that is a risk.— that is a risk. and how crucial do ou think that is a risk. and how crucial do you think iran — that is a risk. and how crucial do you think iran is? _ that is a risk. and how crucial do you think iran is? we _ that is a risk. and how crucial do you think iran is? we know - that is a risk. and how crucial do you think iran is? we know they| that is a risk. and how crucial do i you think iran is? we know they are backed by iran but will there be any talks going on behind the scenes with the iranians and the pressure they will put on the houthis? there already have _ they will put on the houthis? there already have been _ they will put on the houthis? there already have been back— they will put on the houthis? i've? already have been back channel warnings, given by both britain and the us to iran. britain has an embassy in tehran, which makes it vulnerable to any mods that want to attack it. iran doesn't control the houthis but it arms and support them and it has a lot of influence over

what they do but they are ultimately independent. they are not a proxy, they are an ally of iran. i think if iran is to say to the houthis, you need to stop your attacks and here is why, the houthis would probably listen to them. they wouldn't necessarily obey but they would certainly listen to them because the houthis depend on iran for military support, just as israel depends on the united states for military support. iran has been quite a clever puppet master, and incredibly annoying one for the west stand for its allies but it has been quite a clever puppet master in the sense that it calibrates just how much it is going to push people and then stopped short of open warfare. so, for example, hezbollah, its ally in lebanon, has been harassing the israelis on the northern border. it has forced over 80,000 israeli citizens to move south of the

israel— lebanon border because it's being harassed by hezbollah incoming fire but hezbollah has stopped just short of open warfare with israel. it is a low—level conflict, it is not a full—blown war in the way 2006 was. so i think there are hopes that iran will try and hold back, restrain the houthis to some extent, once the houthis have made their point. but the trouble is, it still means that the red sea is a threat area and that means that the shipping companies that are avoiding it so far are going to carry on avoiding it until they see months of no attacks. they are not going to go straight back and risk getting a houthi explosive drone landing in the middle of their container deck. frank gardner, great to see your insight as always. thank you very much indeed. if you arejustjoining us, a reminder of the breaking news that ukraine's air force says it has shot down a russian jet. ukraine's air force says it has shot down a russianjet. we ukraine's air force says it has shot down a russian jet. we thought it

was two, it is now being clarified as just one. we will bring you more on that as we get it. i want to discontinue the discussion about what the defence secretary grant shapps was saying in his speech bringing a senior lecturer in security at bath university, specialising in warfare and counterterrorism. thank you very much forjoining us on bbc news. to start with, can i get your initial thoughts on what grant shapps said in his speech?— thoughts on what grant shapps said in his speech? good morning. yes, i thou~ht it in his speech? good morning. yes, i thought it was _ in his speech? good morning. yes, i thought it was very _ in his speech? good morning. yes, i thought it was very eloquent. - in his speech? good morning. yes, i thought it was very eloquent. it - in his speech? good morning. yes, i thought it was very eloquent. it was | thought it was very eloquent. it was obviously well written, well delivered. a bit churchillian. the detail, there wasn't much that those who look at it closely was new to us. it was more of the emphasis of some of the challenges that the uk defence is facing and of course the emphasis on the action in the red sea and the aid to ukraine, which

you just covered. i doubt there were some interesting bits in terms of some interesting bits in terms of some of the politics going around, for example the potential future of the royal marines and the cutting of potential rumours that their landing ships may... grant shapps emphasising the importance of the royal marines in particular, which is only a relatively small part of defence and that those ships would not be... and we will see how it develops but the royal marines are incredibly important and capable, so you want to try and retain that capability as much as you can. numbers have obviously gone down in terms of troops. how well spread our british forces at the moment? prettyr british forces at the moment? pretty well s - read british forces at the moment? pretty well spread in _ british forces at the moment? pretty well spread in terms _ british forces at the moment? pretty well spread in terms of _ british forces at the moment? pretty well spread in terms of no _ british forces at the moment? pretty well spread in terms of no major - well spread in terms of no major ground combat operations. so unlike when i served in the british army, it was running hot with iraq and afghanistan for a long time. now afghanistan for a long time. now afghanistan itself took on a lot of

bandwidth. you have troops, mainly in estonia, and they are spread around in ports around the world in small numbers. the thing about the numbers is there are some interesting things going on. grant shapps mentioned the strong economy making it harder to recruit. it is happening in the us as well, happening in the us as well, happening around europe. but there is also generational shifts going on, so the values that younger generations hold don't completely diverged in military service but they are slightly different and their expectations of serving in the military and what are military should look like in terms of valuing them and also offering them more flexible ways of serving our changing. there is some work to be done there, first of all in resonating with younger generations and also adjusting, which is ongoing and also adjusting, which is ongoing and they are looking at this, ongoing the sort of work model for them as well stop i think this is going to be an ongoing problem,

especially in the strategic situation grant shapps has outlined, where we have increasing multi—polarity and increasing threats and the real fallback of probably going to require looking at, what will we require for future generations to protect us? how difficult is it — generations to protect us? how difficult is it to _ generations to protect us? how difficult is it to attract - generations to protect us? how difficult is it to attract young people into the forces? i know you watch television and you see these glossy adverts, join the navy and come and be with us. how difficult is it to actually get people to sign up? it is it to actually get people to sign u i ? , ., , is it to actually get people to sign ui? , ., , . ., , is it to actually get people to sign up? it is a very complex problem and there are numerous _ up? it is a very complex problem and there are numerous parts _ up? it is a very complex problem and there are numerous parts to - up? it is a very complex problem and there are numerous parts to it. - up? it is a very complex problem and there are numerous parts to it. i - there are numerous parts to it. i will focus, it is one of my research areas, so wellow will focus on some things. one is the messaging, a lot of the messaging is about belonging and that has been effective. so has been the campaign of the snowflake generation, sort of a parody of the snowflake, so are urging that those that think they are the snowflake generation to prove they are not and that has been successful. 0ther

campaigns, less so. it is about finding what resonates with the younger people in terms of the messaging. but there is also a whole piece in terms of, what kind of medical standards do you need for different roles quest much does everybody need to be really super fit or fit enough to train up at least if they are going to be a cyber warrior, for example? no. the military is moving towards that, certainly. there are other things like how long does it take you from your initial point of interest to actually get in? these are young people, they don't want to be hanging around and sitting on their hands for a year to get through the recruitment process. it needs to be fast, they need to get in and then they need to feel valued. it is a very complex thing and certainly... but you can still tailor, there is still things like community is important to generations. a sense of doing right in theirjob, the moral issue of that and also the giving

back, a sense of giving back and doing something for society. these are things the military do, especially on their humanitarian missions. but it has to be tempered in some roles, which can often involve hard violence as well and the ultimate sacrifice, so it is a delicate balancing act in terms of attracting young people. professor, thank ou attracting young people. professor, thank you for— attracting young people. professor, thank you forjoining _ attracting young people. professor, thank you forjoining us _ attracting young people. professor, thank you forjoining us on - attracting young people. professor, thank you forjoining us on bbc - thank you forjoining us on bbc news. just want to bring in some breaking news we are getting in from scotland. two men have beenjailed for life for the murder of a schoolgirl in west dunbartonshire more than 27 years ago. the body of the 14—year—old was discovered on the 14—year—old was discovered on the banks of the river in renton in 1996. robert o'brien, one of those day—old, must serve at least 22 years in prison and the other, andrew kelly, will serve at least 18 years before they can apply for

parole. donnamarie bland was also found guilty of murder but was unfit to attend court and will be sentenced later. the three had denied murder but were convicted after a two—week trial at the high court in glasgow. so two men jailed for the life of the murder of 14—year—old schoolgirl caroline glachan, back in 1996. robert o'brien must serve at least 22 years in prison and andrew kelly will serve at least 18. in prison and andrew kelly will serve at least18. you are watching bbc news. next, review looking into child abuse in rochdale has found there was widespread organised sexual exploitation of children in the town for almost a decade and authorities repeatedly failed to tackle it effectively. the findings covered 2004 to 2013. greater manchester police has apologised and said such cases were handled very differently now. the greater manchester mayor andy burnham who commissioned

the review, spoke earlier in a news conference. the report being published today finds unequivocally that failures that could and should have been avoided were in fact repeated. in the words of the report, it represents a "lamentable strategic failure by leaders in the greater manchester system at the time." 0ver many years, greater manchester police failed to give the investigation of these serious crimes the priority and resources necessary. the report is hard to read. it gives a detailed and distressing account of how so many young women were seriously harmed and appallingly failed. stephen watson who is the chief constable for greater manchester police

apologised for their failings. this report does not pull its punches _ this report does not pull its punches. the findings evidenced within_ punches. the findings evidenced within it — punches. the findings evidenced within it are shocking, stark and shamefuh — within it are shocking, stark and shameful. it speaks to the systemic failure _ shameful. it speaks to the systemic failure of— shameful. it speaks to the systemic failure of various agencies to pull together— failure of various agencies to pull together and do the obvious, and the film together and do the obvious, and the right thing _ together and do the obvious, and the right thing and above all, it outlines _ right thing and above all, it outlines in painful detail all of those — outlines in painful detail all of those missed opportunities where decisive _ those missed opportunities where decisive action could and should have _ decisive action could and should have been— decisive action could and should have been taken to prevent, disrupt and prosecute the scourge of what has been — and prosecute the scourge of what has been evidenced to have been the widespread abuse of children in rochdale some ten to 20 years ago. amongst— rochdale some ten to 20 years ago. amongst those agencies legitimately criticised _ amongst those agencies legitimately criticised as greater manchester police. — criticised as greater manchester police, and it is on behalf of gmp that i_ police, and it is on behalf of gmp that i offer— police, and it is on behalf of gmp that i offer my heartfelt apology to

all of those victims whom we let down _ all of those victims whom we let down so — all of those victims whom we let down so badly. maggie oliver who is a victims campaginer spoke about how changes still needed to be made. this report talks about the past, but what i want to do is to bring it from the past and into the present and into the future because my work in the mau maggie oliver foundation now means i have current information about what is going on today. i would say categorically, and i am sorry, mrwatson, but the would say categorically, and i am sorry, mr watson, but the failures that happened then are still happening now. we have more communication, for sure, but we do not have a system that supports victims, that listens to their voices. leader of rochdale borough council, cllr neil emmott spoke as well. and we will go live

to our reporter who was at that news conference. this is a damning report. police letting children at the mercy of grooming gangs in rochdale? yes, i mean extremely difficult reading is a member of the public, and extremely damning for the authorities, both rochdale borough council and greater manchester police. a a litany of failings pointed out in its report. it talked about how police investigations were sometimes cut short, were under resourced. reallyjust a failure from top to bottom. there are concerns that were raised as early as 2005 by a sexual health clinic in rochdale about the sexual activity of some young girls in the town. in 2007, they raised concerns about a gang of men of pakistani and afghan

heritage sexually abusing children in the town and say that basically from then on, the police investigation up to 2012, 2013 that this report looks at, never really got to the crux of the problem, that the investigations were shut down early, they were under resourced and there was a strategic failure at both rochdale council and by greater manchester police. so there were failings, yes, by the detectives investigating those cases but also there was a more systemic failure by those at the very top of both the police and the council, in terms of how they dealt with this issue and what prominence they gave to it. in fact, we heard from sara rowbotham, the leader of that sexual health clinic, saying how she was disbelieved and sort of disparaged when she tried to bring those complaints forward, raised those issues, and she had apologies today but this clearly had a very significant impact on her life and on that of maggie oliver, who you

heard from, who was a detective within greater manchester police, who was involved in some of these operations and investigations and was unhappy about how they were being handled and felt her complaints were not being taken seriously, that the issue was not being taken seriously and ultimately she resigned from the force over it. i suppose the big question is, why were they not listened to? i mean i think that is a question for the leadership of rochdale council and greater manchester police. some of these girls were seen as unreliable witnesses. i think they thought, the report suggests that police are thought some of these cases would be too difficult to take forward and so they were just not given the credence that they should have been and police did not try hard enough to really bring those cases forward and deal with them as prosecutions, as a result, it says some of these children were left to the potentially victims of abuses into

the future, over many years. looking ahead, the report _ the future, over many years. looking ahead, the report also _ the future, over many years. looking ahead, the report also identifies - the future, over many years. looking ahead, the report also identifies 96 l ahead, the report also identifies 96 men still deemed a potential risk to children. so what are the authorities doing going forward, now that we have got this review out in the public? yes, that was referenced by stephen watson, the current chief constable of greater manchester police, who took over post the events that the report carries. he says they will effectively be relentless in their pursuit of those who carry out child sexual exploitation and those who have carried out in these historical cases as well. rochdale borough council said the people that had beenin council said the people that had been in charge at the council at the time who had failed the victims of child sexual abuse were gone long gone, as he put it, and no longer there and that they had also overhauled their practices. however, maggie oliver, the former police detective who resigned from the force, clearly has concerns, as you heard in that clip there, about

whether the problem has been properly dealt with at the moment. the authors of the report out today have a fourth report which is due out later this year, which will look at current practices. that ultimately will be the test. they are going to look at how child sexual exploitation is investigated and dealt with by the authorities currently and whether there, whether best practices in the place at the moment. andy burnham says he wants to make sure that that is a gold standard, effectively, now in greater manchester.- standard, effectively, now in greater manchester. thank you very much forjoining _ greater manchester. thank you very much forjoining us _ greater manchester. thank you very much forjoining us from _ greater manchester. thank you very l much forjoining us from manchester. the head of the charity, the refugee council, says the government must set up a safe route for migrants to enter the uk — afterfive people died in the channel yesterday. dozens more were rescued — two of them remain critically ill — when a small boat capsized off the french coast near boulogne. the government said its plan to send some asylum seekers to rwanda will help to stop the boats.

live now to the bbc�*s charlie rose in dover. there are obviously fears now that more migrants might try and make that perilous journey. if you are wondering why these small boat crossings have started again, just take a look at the scene behind me. the water might be very cold, 7-8, but it me. the water might be very cold, 7—8, but it is the conditions, that is the crucial thing. the water is almost completely calm and the channel is very, very clear and that is why 182 channel is very, very clear and that is why182 migrants were rescued by the french authorities over the weekend, they say. that is in addition to that small boat which got into difficulty when it left the french coast. it was carrying, we are told, around 70 migrants, some of whom were children and shortly after it left the beach, just to the west of calais, it started taking on

water, it overturned. some of the occupants did manage to call the emergency services and a rescue operation was launched. but sadly, five people didn't make it, they lost their lives. their bodies were found a little later, a short distance away, by a tug boat patrolling the coastline as you mentioned, the government's rwanda plan is due to go before parliament again this week. the idea behind that plan is to act as a deterrent, putting migrants off from trying this thing, trying to cross the channel and it is going, the hope is, the government says at least, that it will do that by sending some asylum seekers to east africa to have their claims processed there. lord cameron, david cameron, the foreign secretary, he says that plan is, would be an effective way of putting a stop to these boats and putting a stop to these boats and putting a stop to these boats and putting a stop to all of these

deaths. but the labour leader sir keir starmer says it is a gimmick and what he would do if he was in power is to pursue the criminal gangs that organise all of this. while these political machinations are going on, the fear is that many more crossings will be taking place over the coming days and weeks. while these conditions here remain calm, clear, clement, albeit very cold. ., calm, clear, clement, albeit very cold. . ., ,, cold. charlie rose in dover, thank ou for cold. charlie rose in dover, thank you forjoining _ cold. charlie rose in dover, thank you forjoining us. _ cold. charlie rose in dover, thank you forjoining us. throughout - cold. charlie rose in dover, thank you forjoining us. throughout the week we will have coverage of the parliamentary debate. now for a cheque in the weather with carol kirkwood. hello again. we're in for another cold week — if anything, a bit colder than it was last week. and as well as that, there will be further snow showers in the forecast, especially, but not exclusively, across northern scotland and northern ireland and we're looking at some sharp overnight frosts. at times, for example, in northern scotland, the temperature could fall away to —10 overnight.

but today, you can see the blues across the whole of the uk. it's going to be a cold day. the wind coming straight down from the arctic, and it's windy across the north and also the east. so some of the snow will be drifting and some of the snow coming down the north sea coastline will drift inland at times, getting in, for example, to yorkshire, eastern parts of norfolk and suffolk, but we'ill continue with snow showers also in northern ireland and some wintriness in the showers across wales and the south—west. but in between, a lot of dry weather. 3 degrees in norwich, but when you add on the strength of the wind, the wind chill will make it feel more like —3. it will feel more like —7 in aberdeen. now, through this evening and overnight, we continue with the snow showers in the north. there'll be a lot of dry weather. the cloud builds in the west, introducing a combination of rain, sleet and snow to some western areas. there'll be a hard and widespread frost. in fact, in sheltered glens in the northeast of scotland, temperature could fall away to —8. so this is the culprit bringing in the combination of rain, sleet and snow during the course

of tuesday night and into wednesday. it's slowed down a little bit, so the worst, the heaviest of the snow could well miss, for example, glasgow during the rush hour. but it is slowly pushing from the west to the east. we'll have about 2—5 centimetres of snow from this band and 10—20 across the higher ground in northern scotland. for northern ireland and northern england, it's a mixture of rain, sleet and snow, but as we push furthersouth, it's going to be largely dry. but, once again, wherever you are, it is going to feel cold throughout the day. then as we move from tuesday into wednesday, the cold air is already in place. we've got this weather front skirting along southern counties. still a little bit of uncertainty about its exact placement. but as it engages with the cold air, we could see a period of heavier snow across cornwall, devon and dorset, clipping kent before it clears. we continue with the snow showers across northern scotland and northern ireland, but in between, a lot of dry weather but, once again, it is going to be cold. where we've got the cloud, though, temperatures a little bit higher.

live from london. this is bbc news. as the us shoots down a missile fired from more military action to repel attacks in the red sea. ukraine says its military has shot down two advanced russian surveillance aircraft over the sea of azov. republicans in iowa prepare to kick—off the 2024 us presidential race — as polls show donald trump holding a commanding lead in the state. and several homes are set on fire after two volcanic fissures erupt in south west iceland. this is the scene live in the fishing town of grindavik —

where defences have partially contained some of the lava flow. hello, iam nicky hello, i am nicky schiller. britain's defence secretary grant shapps has said the uk will consider whether it has to take further action to repel houthi attacks on international cargo ships in the red sea. it comes after the us military says it shot down an anti—ship cruise missile — fired from areas of yemen controlled by houthi rebels. there's been rising tension across the region since the start of the gaza conflict — with the houthis, who support hamas, say they're acting on behalf of gaza palestinians. in a major speech in central london a little earlier mr shapps talked about the uk's involvement with recent strikes aginst houthis forces in yemen. the world sent a very clear message

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