that we need to what i do believe is that we need to get down to the entire truth and make sure it is transparent and we do notjust a jump to a particular sound bite. do notjust a “ump to a particular sound bite.— do notjust a “ump to a particular sound bite. what is fu'itsu's view on the proposed _ sound bite. what is fujitsu's view on the proposed legislation - sound bite. what is fujitsu's view on the proposed legislation is? l on the proposed legislation is? think the prison sentences are appropriate or inappropriate to those found guilty? i appropriate or inappropriate to those found guilty?— those found guilty? i have no exnertise- — those found guilty? i have no expertise. will _ those found guilty? i have no expertise. will fujitsu - those found guilty? i have no expertise. will fujitsu give i those found guilty? i have no| expertise. will fujitsu give its expertise. will fu'itsu give its fullsupporth expertise. will fu'itsu give its full support of_ expertise. will fujitsu give its full support of victims - expertise. will fujitsu give its full support of victims to - expertise. will fujitsu give its full support of victims to have their convictions quashed? i willi their convictions quashed? i will sa two their convictions quashed? i will say two things _ their convictions quashed? i will say two things on _ their convictions quashed? i will say two things on this _ their convictions quashed? in ii say two things on this topic. since my appointment i have been absolutely steadfast in our support for the inquiry and any information that a sub—postmaster needs... it is that a sub-postmaster needs... it is about that a sub—postmaster needs... it is about legislation coming before the housein about legislation coming before the house in a couple of weeks. will fujitsu support what the government intends to do and to quash the convictions of those who have been wrongfully convicted in the largest miscarriage ofjustice in this country has faced? it

miscarriage ofjustice in this country has faced?- country has faced? it is an appalling _ country has faced? it is an appalling situation. - country has faced? it is an appalling situation. while | country has faced? it is an | appalling situation. while i country has faced? it is an - appalling situation. while i am in at natural i would do anything i can to make sure any information... idoiiilii to make sure any information... will fu'itsu to make sure any information... will fujitsu support, and quashing these convictions? does fujitsu accept that everyone under the scheme should have their convictions overturned? it should have their convictions overturned?— should have their convictions overturned? , ,~ ., ., overturned? it is very clear from the inquiry _ overturned? it is very clear from the inquiry that _ overturned? it is very clear from the inquiry that the _ overturned? it is very clear from the inquiry that the answer - overturned? it is very clear from | the inquiry that the answer would overturned? it is very clear from - the inquiry that the answer would be yes. mr the inquiry that the answer would be es. ~ ., .,, the inquiry that the answer would be es. ~ ., , . yes. mr reid, do the post office share that _ yes. mr reid, do the post office share that view? _ yes. mr reid, do the post office share that view? we _ yes. mr reid, do the post office share that view? we do. - yes. mr reid, do the post office share that view? we do. we - yes. mr reid, do the post office share that view? we do. we are j yes. mr reid, do the post office - share that view? we do. we are very clear that we — share that view? we do. we are very clear that we want _ share that view? we do. we are very clear that we want to _ share that view? we do. we are very clear that we want to ensure - share that view? we do. we are very clear that we want to ensure that. clear that we want to ensure that redress _ clear that we want to ensure that redress is— clear that we want to ensure that redress is done as quickly as possible _ redress is done as quickly as possible. the scheme of the massacre and narration that the minister has put forward, we welcome that. have the post office _ put forward, we welcome that. have the post office hired _ put forward, we welcome that. have the post office hired any _ put forward, we welcome that. we: the post office hired any public relations companies to handle this crisis after the drama came to a? if so, how much does the post office pay for that advice. ida. so, how much does the post office pay for that advice.— so, how much does the post office pay for that advice. no, we haven't. we have a — pay for that advice. no, we haven't. we have a report — pay for that advice. no, we haven't. we have a report in _ pay for that advice. no, we haven't. we have a report in the _ pay for that advice. no, we haven't. we have a report in the times - pay for that advice. no, we haven't. we have a report in the times todayj we have a report in the times today about a whistle—blower from the post office who says that as early as

2001, you could go into at their cash, why put completely, you could go to their stock declaration. in a sense, we have a member of post office staff and to visit one sign that access to the terminals as possible. we'll then have from 2013 tapes that show the post office company secretary preparing to brief paula vennells about whether remote access to horizon accounts was possible. we then have the clerk advice in 2013 warning that a former fujitsu horizon architect had given evidence to court pertaining to remote access. mr reid, from your point of view, when do you think that post office staff first knew that post office staff first knew that remote access to horizon terminals was possible? i couldn't dive ou terminals was possible? i couldn't give you an _ terminals was possible? i couldn't

give you an exact _ terminals was possible? i couldn't give you an exact date _ terminals was possible? i couldn't give you an exact date on - terminals was possible? i couldn't give you an exact date on lap. - terminals was possible? i couldn't| give you an exact date on lap. why can ou give you an exact date on lap. why can you not — give you an exact date on lap. why can you not answer _ give you an exact date on lap. deny can you not answer that give you an exact date on lap. “15mg" can you not answer that question? give you an exact date on lap. r“1di;: can you not answer that question? it is fundamental to this case? what can you not answer that question? it is fundamental to this case?- is fundamental to this case? what is fundamental — is fundamental to this case? what is fundamental from _ is fundamental to this case? what is fundamental from our _ is fundamental to this case? what is fundamental from our detective - is fundamental to this case? what is fundamental from our detective is i is fundamental to this case? what is j fundamental from our detective is at the have _ fundamental from our detective is at the have a _ fundamental from our detective is at the have a scintillating sir wyn williams — the have a scintillating sir wyn williams getting to the bottom of this. ., ., ., , ., williams getting to the bottom of this. ., ., ., y., , . this. how long have you been chief executive now? _ this. how long have you been chief executive now? fourmack- this. how long have you been chief executive now? fourmack years. i this. how long have you been chief. executive now? fourmack years. you must surely have had time to cut to the heart of this issue, which is, when did the post office near the access to remote terminals was possible? miro coming into the post office is to do a number of things. surely you must be telling sir wyn williams“s inquiry when someone in the post office knew that remote access to terminals was possible? iodide access to terminals was possible? we will be providing sir wyn williams with all— will be providing sir wyn williams with all the information... but what is the answer? _ with all the information... but what is the answer? i _ with all the information... but what is the answer? i cannot _ with all the information... but what is the answer? i cannot give - with all the information... but what is the answer? i cannot give you . with all the information... but what| is the answer? i cannot give you the specific date. i think we are both

surprised and disappointed that you have not got that question answered on the table. have not got that question answered on the table-— on the table. thank you, chair. i share your _ on the table. thank you, chair. i share your concern _ on the table. thank you, chair. i share your concern about - on the table. thank you, chair. i share your concern about mr - on the table. thank you, chair. i i share your concern about mr reid's lack of opinion about what is happening in the post office prior to him joining four years ago. you enjoyed a pretty stellar career in the retail sector with many big companies and you have a very broad business experience. as a business committee we are concerned about the performance in practice, including the ethics of businesses in the uk. how would you describe the practice and ethics of the post office in the period before you joined it, perhaps from the period from 2000 to you joining in 2019? i from the period from 2000 to you joining in 2019?— joining in 2019? i think when i “oined in joining in 2019? i think when i joined in 2019, _ joining in 2019? i think when i joined in 2019, what - joining in 2019? i think when i joined in 2019, what struck. joining in 2019? i think when i | joined in 2019, what struck me joining in 2019? i think when i - joined in 2019, what struck me about the organisation is that it was in shock— the organisation is that it was in shock and — the organisation is that it was in shock and paralysis. as a

consequence of the horizonjudgment. that would _ consequence of the horizonjudgment. that would be my first observation. i that would be my first observation. ithink. _ that would be my first observation. i think, certainly from my perspective, trying to address that culture _ perspective, trying to address that culture was extremely important and that's— culture was extremely important and that's what— culture was extremely important and that's what i have spent my time trying _ that's what i have spent my time trying to— that's what i have spent my time trying to do. indeed, that is why we obviously— trying to do. indeed, that is why we obviously settled with the g allow almost _ obviously settled with the g allow almost immediately after i had joined — almost immediately after i had joined the business. i think part of the challenge that i have found, clearly, — the challenge that i have found, clearly, is — the challenge that i have found, clearly, is the scandal has gone on for a _ clearly, is the scandal has gone on for a very— clearly, is the scandal has gone on for a very long time, 25 years. obviously— for a very long time, 25 years. obviously there is a mindset that needs— obviously there is a mindset that needs to — obviously there is a mindset that needs to be changed for people to understand just exactly what has happened, which is why it is important that senior executives in my team _ important that senior executives in my team go out and meet with the victims. _ my team go out and meet with the victims. so — my team go out and meet with the victims, so that they see what has occurred — victims, so that they see what has occurred to — victims, so that they see what has occurred. to your point, culturally trying _ occurred. to your point, culturally trying to _ occurred. to your point, culturally trying to understand what is going on in _ trying to understand what is going on in our— trying to understand what is going on in our business, people need to see and _

on in our business, people need to see and feel— on in our business, people need to see and feel what has happened to some _ see and feel what has happened to some of— see and feel what has happened to some of these people. was see and feel what has happened to some of these people.— some of these people. was the existence of _ some of these people. was the existence of this _ some of these people. was the existence of this issue - some of these people. was the i existence of this issue dominating all the thoughts that you and your senior management team had about the nature of the business that you will be asked to manage? i nature of the business that you will be asked to manage?— nature of the business that you will be asked to manage? i don't think it was dominating _ be asked to manage? i don't think it was dominating everything - be asked to manage? i don't think it was dominating everything in - be asked to manage? i don't think it was dominating everything in 2019 l was dominating everything in 2019 when _ was dominating everything in 2019 when i _ was dominating everything in 2019 when ijoined, no. it was dominating everything in 2019 when ijoined, no.— when ijoined, no. it was insignificant? _ when ijoined, no. it was insignificant? name, - when ijoined, no. it was insignificant? name, i. when ijoined, no. it was. insignificant? name, i don't when ijoined, no. it was- insignificant? name, i don't think it was insignificant, _ insignificant? name, i don't think it was insignificant, but _ insignificant? name, i don't think it was insignificant, but i - insignificant? name, i don't think it was insignificant, but i don't i it was insignificant, but i don't think— it was insignificant, but i don't think it — it was insignificant, but i don't think it was dominating everything. -- no, _ think it was dominating everything. -- no, i_ think it was dominating everything. -- no, idon't— think it was dominating everything. —— no, i don't think it was insignificant. -- no, i don't think it was insignificant.— -- no, i don't think it was insignificant. -- no, i don't think it was insidnificant. ., . ., insignificant. you have sat through the evidence _ insignificant. you have sat through the evidence already _ insignificant. you have sat through the evidence already today. - insignificant. you have sat through the evidence already today. did i insignificant. you have sat through | the evidence already today. did you hear a lot about not when talking about the unequal relationship that exists between post—offers and the post office itself? he spoke about the post office about being the most trusted brand stop was at a most trusted brand stop was at a most trusted brand stop was at a most trusted brand then and is it a most trusted brand then and is it a most trusted brand then and is it a most trusted brand now? i trusted brand then and is it a most trusted brand now?— trusted brand now? i think his o-rincile trusted brand now? i think his principle was _ trusted brand now? i think his principle was right, _ trusted brand now? i think his principle was right, it - trusted brand now? i think his principle was right, it is - trusted brand now? i think his principle was right, it is not i trusted brand now? i think his. principle was right, it is not the corporate — principle was right, it is not the corporate entity that is trusted, it is the _

corporate entity that is trusted, it is the local— corporate entity that is trusted, it is the local relationship between the community and postmasters. you recodnise the community and postmasters. you recognise the — the community and postmasters. you. recognise the value of postmasters? i absolutely do. the post office is at the _ i absolutely do. the post office is at the postmaster. so i absolutely do. the post office is at the postmaster.— i absolutely do. the post office is at the postmaster. so then why do one of these _ at the postmaster. so then why do one of these people _ at the postmaster. so then why do one of these people who _ at the postmaster. so then why do one of these people who have - at the postmaster. so then why do | one of these people who have been delivering your mouse trusted brand, jo hamilton, she said when inquiries were being made at the reconciliation of her branch, she felt as if a financial gun was being held to her head. it is felt as if a financial gun was being held to her head.— held to her head. it is appalling, is the obvious _ held to her head. it is appalling, is the obvious comment - held to her head. it is appalling, is the obvious comment i - held to her head. it is appalling, is the obvious comment i would | held to her head. it is appalling, - is the obvious comment i would make. i is the obvious comment i would make. i have _ is the obvious comment i would make. i have enormous sympathy for what she went _ i have enormous sympathy for what she went through. we have all this into what— she went through. we have all this into what has occurred in the inquiry— into what has occurred in the inquiry at _ into what has occurred in the inquiry at the evidence gathered occurred — inquiry at the evidence gathered occurred in the inquiry, as inquiry, as well— occurred in the inquiry, as inquiry, as well as — occurred in the inquiry, as inquiry, as well as the evidence provided by former— as well as the evidence provided by former colleagues, and it is appalling. former colleagues, and it is appalling-— former colleagues, and it is a-oallino.~ . ., ., former colleagues, and it is a - stallin . . ., ., ,., ., ., .,y appalling. we have also heard today that there was _ appalling. we have also heard today that there was a _ appalling. we have also heard today that there was a belief _ appalling. we have also heard today that there was a belief that - appalling. we have also heard today that there was a belief that the - that there was a belief that the motive of the investigators was where something was identified as a

failure, but the motive of the investigators was that of asset recovery rather than trying to identify what might have happened. how can that be the attitude of a most trusted brand? i how can that be the attitude of a most trusted brand?— how can that be the attitude of a most trusted brand? i agree with you entirel , it most trusted brand? i agree with you entirely. it is — most trusted brand? i agree with you entirely, it is deeply _ most trusted brand? i agree with you entirely, it is deeply concerning. - entirely, it is deeply concerning. we have — entirely, it is deeply concerning. we have heard evidence in inquiry to that point. we have heard evidence in inquiry to that ooint. ., . we have heard evidence in inquiry to that ooint. . , ., ., , we have heard evidence in inquiry to that ooint. . , ., , that point. that is what has been orovided. that point. that is what has been provided- i _ that point. that is what has been provided. i think— that point. that is what has been provided. i think it _ that point. that is what has been provided. i think it is _ that point. that is what has been provided. i think it is very - that point. that is what has been provided. i think it is very clear l provided. i think it is very clear to me — provided. i think it is very clear to me there _ provided. i think it is very clear to me there is a reason why we have not prosecuted anybody in the post office. _ not prosecuted anybody in the post office, certainly not under my watch and not _ office, certainly not under my watch and not before 2015, and we have no intention— and not before 2015, and we have no intention of— and not before 2015, and we have no intention of doing so. i think culturally— intention of doing so. i think culturally we have a long way to go to ensure _ culturally we have a long way to go to ensure that we actually put our postmasters for us. they are at the brand. _ postmasters for us. they are at the brand. the — postmasters for us. they are at the brand, the relationship between postmasters and their customers is what matters. certainly we the corporate _ what matters. certainly we the corporate entity you need to

recognise we are here to serve those postmasters. we recognise we are here to serve those postmasters-— postmasters. we have heard this issue described _ postmasters. we have heard this issue described as _ postmasters. we have heard this issue described as the _ postmasters. we have heard this issue described as the largest. issue described as the largest miscarriage ofjustice in british legal history. as someone that running a business, a1 legal history. as someone that running a business, a 1 billion liability against the post office, do you recognise that some and what provision have you made for it in your accounts? the provision have you made for it in your accounts?— your accounts? the 1 billion liability being _ your accounts? the 1 billion liability being what? - your accounts? the 1 billion liability being what? the i your accounts? the 1 billion - liability being what? the liability on the post _ liability being what? the liability on the post office _ liability being what? the liability on the post office come - liability being what? the liability on the post office come of- liability being what? the liability on the post office come of this i on the post office come of this matter being £1 billion. what provision have you made? do you accept a figure, first of all? ida. provision have you made? do you accept a figure, first of all?- accept a figure, first of all? no, i don't accept _ accept a figure, first of all? no, i don't accept the _ accept a figure, first of all? no, i don't accept the figure. - accept a figure, first of all? no, i don't accept the figure. we - accept a figure, first of all? no, i don't accept the figure. we will l don't accept the figure. we will have _ don't accept the figure. we will have seen— don't accept the figure. we will have seen in other accounts and reports — have seen in other accounts and reports that were published last year. _ reports that were published last year. like — reports that were published last year. like mr bates mentioned today, we have _ year. like mr bates mentioned today, we have been concerned that people are not— we have been concerned that people are not coming forward. the funding has been _ are not coming forward. the funding has been provided by government to address— has been provided by government to address the compensation issues, but we are _ address the compensation issues, but we are still— address the compensation issues, but we are still struggling to get

people — we are still struggling to get people to come forward, and that is a problem _ people to come forward, and that is a problem for us. you people to come forward, and that is a problem for us.— a problem for us. you are running a business, a problem for us. you are running a business. you _ a problem for us. you are running a business, you have _ a problem for us. you are running a business, you have got _ a problem for us. you are running a business, you have got this - business, you have got this liability. what is your assessment of the extent of the liability as we sit here today? haste of the extent of the liability as we sit here today?— of the extent of the liability as we sit here today? we have reduced our orovisions sit here today? we have reduced our provisions because _ sit here today? we have reduced our provisions because people _ sit here today? we have reduced our provisions because people were - sit here today? we have reduced our provisions because people were notl provisions because people were not coming _ provisions because people were not coming forward to claim compensation.— coming forward to claim compensation. what is your assessment _ compensation. what is your assessment of _ compensation. what is your assessment of the - compensation. what is your assessment of the figure i compensation. what is yourl assessment of the figure of? compensation. what is your i assessment of the figure of? i compensation. what is your - assessment of the figure of? i think what has been _ assessment of the figure of? i think what has been done _ assessment of the figure of? i think what has been done in _ assessment of the figure of? i think what has been done in his _ assessment of the figure of? i think what has been done in his last - assessment of the figure of? i think what has been done in his last ten l what has been done in his last ten days in— what has been done in his last ten days in terms of the potential to massacres — days in terms of the potential to massacres on the right. that is obviously— massacres on the right. that is obviously going to generate a lot more _ obviously going to generate a lot more people coming forward. is obviously going to generate a lot more people coming forward. is the more people coming forward. is the £1 billion realistic? _ more people coming forward. is the £1 billion realistic? i _ more people coming forward. is the £1 billion realistic? i think— more people coming forward. is the £1 billion realistic? i think it - more people coming forward. is the £1 billion realistic? i think it is - £1 billion realistic? i think it is unlikely to _ £1 billion realistic? i think it is unlikely to be _ £1 billion realistic? i think it is unlikely to be that _ £1 billion realistic? i think it is unlikely to be that size, - £1 billion realistic? i think it is unlikely to be that size, but i £1 billion realistic? i think it is unlikely to be that size, but it| £1 billion realistic? i think it is - unlikely to be that size, but it may well be. _ unlikely to be that size, but it may well be. ~ , ., unlikely to be that size, but it may well be. ~ y., ., 11" well be. when you took over in 2019, the post office _ well be. when you took over in 2019, the post office was _ well be. when you took over in 2019, the post office was already _ well be. when you took over in 2019, the post office was already engaged | the post office was already engaged in substantial litigation. you as chief executive would have wanted to bring you up to speed with the

background of that i'm sure. having done that, can you help us as to why it was nobody in the post office ever queried why they had been such a sudden uptick in the number of prosecutions of postmasters? that question never seems to have been asked. can you help as to why? $5111 asked. can you help as to why? as in from the introduction _ asked. can you help as to why? as in from the introduction of _ asked. can you help as to why? as in from the introduction of horizon right— from the introduction of horizon right the — from the introduction of horizon right the way through? yes. my assessment _ right the way through? yes. my assessment is _ right the way through? yes. my assessment is that _ right the way through? iazs my assessment is that pre—thing—mack... we will— assessment is that pre—thing—mack... we will provide you that data. back to your _ we will provide you that data. back to your point, what astonishes me when _ to your point, what astonishes me when i _ to your point, what astonishes me when i look— to your point, what astonishes me when i look back to 2019 through to 2015 is _ when i look back to 2019 through to 2015 is that there are between 55 and 75_ 2015 is that there are between 55 and 75 prosecutions approximately every— and 75 prosecutions approximately every single year. it is an extraordinary number. it is absolutely stored in the number that that lack—

absolutely stored in the number that that lack of curiosity for an individual saying why is this the case. _ individual saying why is this the case, what is going on, is something that remains— case, what is going on, is something that remains a mystery. as i say, i'm that remains a mystery. as i say, i'm sure — that remains a mystery. as i say, i'm sure it— that remains a mystery. as i say, i'm sure it is— that remains a mystery. as i say, i'm sure it is something that sir wyn— i'm sure it is something that sir wyn williams will understand from those _ wyn williams will understand from those involved precisely why that was the — those involved precisely why that was the case. those involved precisely why that was the case-— those involved precisely why that was the case. ., ., ., , was the case. horizon was also used in at the crown _ was the case. horizon was also used in at the crown office, _ was the case. horizon was also used in at the crown office, wasn't - was the case. horizon was also used in at the crown office, wasn't it? i in at the crown office, wasn't it? has any investigations been down there? was anybody prosecuted? i’m there? was anybody prosecuted? i'm not 100% certain. when _ there? was anybody prosecuted? i'm not 100% certain. when deficiencies l not 100% certain. when deficiencies found in the — not 100% certain. when deficiencies found in the crown _ not 100% certain. when deficiencies found in the crown post _ not 100% certain. when deficiencies found in the crown post office? - not 100% certain. when deficiencies found in the crown post office? i i found in the crown post office? i haven't got that detail. you can see that you _ haven't got that detail. you can see that you are — haven't got that detail. you can see that you are not now undertaken private _ that you are not now undertaken private prosecutions. they think the post office — private prosecutions. they think the post office is unfit as an organisation to carry out prosecutions? | organisation to carry out prosecutions?— organisation to carry out prosecutions? organisation to carry out orosecutions? ., “ ~ organisation to carry out orosecutions? ., �* ~ .,,

prosecutions? i don't think the post office... prosecutions? i don't think the post office- -- the _ prosecutions? i don't think the post office... the post _ prosecutions? i don't think the post office... the post office _ prosecutions? i don't think the post office... the post office in - office... the post office in carrying out those prosecutions, one assumes from the evidence that we heard, that they must have had information from your company, from fujitsu to suggest that it was robust? what you say to the prospect that, actually, inaccurate information provided via your company at led to wrongful prosecutions of people who are subsequently imprisoned? legacy subsequently imprisoned ? legacy scandal, subsequently imprisoned? legacy scandal, isn“t subsequently imprisoned? legacy scandal, isn't it? that subsequently imprisoned? legacy scandal, isn't it?— scandal, isn't it? that exactly one ofthe scandal, isn't it? that exactly one of the topics _ scandal, isn't it? that exactly one of the topics that _ scandal, isn't it? that exactly one of the topics that the _ scandal, isn't it? that exactly one of the topics that the inquiry - scandal, isn't it? that exactly one of the topics that the inquiry is i of the topics that the inquiry is looking — of the topics that the inquiry is looking at. _ of the topics that the inquiry is looking at. looking _ of the topics that the inquiry is looking at. looking at - of the topics that the inquiry is looking at. looking at what - of the topics that the inquiry is - looking at. looking at what evidence was given _ looking at. looking at what evidence was given from — looking at. looking at what evidence was given from the _ looking at. looking at what evidence was given from the post _ looking at. looking at what evidence was given from the post office - looking at. looking at what evidence was given from the post office to . was given from the post office to fujitsu _ was given from the post office to fujitsu to — was given from the post office to fujitsu to support _ was given from the post office to fujitsu to support the _ was given from the post office to i fujitsu to support the prosecutions. said in— fujitsu to support the prosecutions. said in my— fujitsu to support the prosecutions. said in my opening— fujitsu to support the prosecutions. said in my opening point— fujitsu to support the prosecutions. said in my opening point that - fujitsu to support the prosecutions. said in my opening point that we i fujitsu to support the prosecutions. | said in my opening point that we did support— said in my opening point that we did support the — said in my opening point that we did support the post— said in my opening point that we did support the post office _ said in my opening point that we did support the post office and - said in my opening point that we did support the post office and was - support the post office and was prosecutions _ support the post office and was prosecutions and _ support the post office and was prosecutions and we _ support the post office and was prosecutions and we did - support the post office and was prosecutions and we did give i support the post office and was i prosecutions and we did give them information— prosecutions and we did give them information to _ prosecutions and we did give them information to do _ prosecutions and we did give them

information to do that. _ prosecutions and we did give them information to do that. is - prosecutions and we did give them information to do that.— information to do that. is there a moral obligation _ information to do that. is there a moral obligation and _ information to do that. is there a moral obligation and perhaps - moral obligation and perhaps financial obligation for fujitsu for what happened? haste financial obligation for fu'itsu for what hapoonodofi financial obligation for fu'itsu for what hapoohodtfi financial obligation for fu'itsu for what hapoohodafi financial obligation for fu'itsu for what happened? we do see a moral oblioation, what happened? we do see a moral obligation. but _ what happened? we do see a moral obligation, but we _ what happened? we do see a moral obligation, but we also _ what happened? we do see a moral obligation, but we also see - what happened? we do see a moral obligation, but we also see with - what happened? we do see a moral obligation, but we also see with the entire _ obligation, but we also see with the entire end—to—end_ obligation, but we also see with the entire end—to—end of— obligation, but we also see with the entire end—to—end of all— obligation, but we also see with the entire end—to—end of all the - entire end—to—end of all the components— entire end—to—end of all the components to _ entire end—to—end of all the components to get - entire end—to—end of all the components to get to - entire end—to—end of all the components to get to the i entire end—to—end of all the - components to get to the truth. it is the _ components to get to the truth. it is the truth. — components to get to the truth. it is the truth. you _ components to get to the truth. it is the truth. you are _ components to get to the truth. it is the truth. you are already- is the truth. you are already discussing _ is the truth. you are already discussing disclosure, - is the truth. you are already discussing disclosure, howl is the truth. you are already. discussing disclosure, how that information— discussing disclosure, how that information was— discussing disclosure, how that information was given - discussing disclosure, how that information was given to - discussing disclosure, how that information was given to the i discussing disclosure, how that i information was given to the post office _ information was given to the post office and — information was given to the post office and whether _ information was given to the post office and whether that _ information was given to the post office and whether that was - information was given to the post office and whether that was this. office and whether that was this close. _ office and whether that was this close. these _ office and whether that was this close. these are _ office and whether that was this close. these are complicated i office and whether that was this - close. these are complicated matters and sir _ close. these are complicated matters and sir wyn _ close. these are complicated matters and sir wyn williams _ close. these are complicated matters and sir wyn williams is _ close. these are complicated matters and sir wyn williams is rightfully- and sir wyn williams is rightfully examining — and sir wyn williams is rightfully examining those. _ and sir wyn williams is rightfully examining those. when- and sir wyn williams is rightfully examining those. when that - and sir wyn williams is rightfully examining those. when that is i and sir wyn williams is rightfully- examining those. when that is done, we also _ examining those. when that is done, we also expected _ examining those. when that is done, we also expected to _ examining those. when that is done, we also expected to sit _ examining those. when that is done, we also expected to sit down - examining those. when that is done, we also expected to sit down with - we also expected to sit down with government— we also expected to sit down with government to _ we also expected to sit down with government to determine - we also expected to sit down with government to determine our- government to determine our contribution _ government to determine our contribution to— government to determine our contribution to that _ government to determine our- contribution to that compensation. you will— contribution to that compensation. you will make _ contribution to that compensation. you will make provision _ contribution to that compensation. i you will make provision accordingly? to the earlier question, we have not made _ to the earlier question, we have not made provision _ to the earlier question, we have not made provision yet. _ to the earlier question, we have not made provision yet. but _ to the earlier question, we have not made provision yet. but when - to the earlier question, we have not made provision yet. but when we i to the earlier question, we have not i made provision yet. but when we have -ot made provision yet. but when we have got to— made provision yet. but when we have got to that _ made provision yet. but when we have got to that position _ made provision yet. but when we have got to that position we _ made provision yet. but when we have got to that position we absolutely- got to that position we absolutely need to— got to that position we absolutely need to make _ got to that position we absolutely need to make provision _ got to that position we absolutely need to make provision for- got to that position we absolutely need to make provision for it, - got to that position we absolutely need to make provision for it, ofl need to make provision for it, of course _ need to make provision for it, of course we — need to make provision for it, of

course we would. _ when you came into post in 2019, where you presented with the board minutes all the way back to when this issue first started? i was. so you have not gone through the board minutes? , ., ., , minutes? many of them, i have, but not all of them. _ minutes? many of them, i have, but not all of them. clearly, _ minutes? many of them, i have, but not all of them. clearly, we - minutes? many of them, i have, but not all of them. clearly, we spent i minutes? many of them, i have, but not all of them. clearly, we spent a| not all of them. clearly, we spent a lot of— not all of them. clearly, we spent a lot of time — not all of them. clearly, we spent a lot oftime in— not all of them. clearly, we spent a lot of time in 2020 as a board working — lot of time in 2020 as a board working through the issues associated with some of the human impact _ associated with some of the human impact and — associated with some of the human impact and some of the individuals that were — impact and some of the individuals that were involved.— that were involved. could you then orovide a that were involved. could you then provide a date. — that were involved. could you then provide a date, we _ that were involved. could you then provide a date, we have _ that were involved. could you then provide a date, we have had - that were involved. could you then provide a date, we have had this i provide a date, we have had this question already, but could you provide a date in which this is first raised? your board minutes would presumably reflect that. if you can't do it now, will you come back and report to the committee. you also say... we have heard from the opening remarks of that year