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israel's commitment to minister. israel's commitment to international _ minister. israel's commitment to international law _ minister. israel's commitment to international law is _ minister. israel's commitment to international law is unwavering. l international law is unwavering. equally unwavering is our sacred commitment to continue to defend our country and defend our people. king charles is said _ country and defend our people. king charles is said to be doing well after undergoing treatment for an enlarged prostate. jurgen klopp shocks fans as he announces he's leaving the manager's job at the end of the season. no club, no country for the next year, no other english club ever. even if i have nothing to eat, that will not happen. even hello, i'm matthew amroliwala. welcome to verified live — three hours of breaking stories, the un's top court has ordered israel to take action to prevent acts of genocide against palestinians in gaza, but has stopped short of calling for an immediate ceasefire. delivering an interim ruling
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on a case brought by south africa, the international court ofjustice in the hague said israel must ensure that its forces do not commit genocide and take measures to improve the humanitarian situation for palestinian civilians. this is not the court's final ruling on genocide. that's likely to take several years. thejudge went on to order israel to take measures to prevent let's start by hearing from one of the judges. let's start by hearing from one of the judges. the court considers that with regard to the present situation, israel must, in accordance with its obligations under the genocide convention, in relation to palestinians in gaza, take all measures within its power to prevent the commission of all acts within the scope of article two of the convention — in particular, a, killing groups, members of the group, b, causing serious bodily harm to members of the group, c, deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical
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destruction in whole or in part, and d, imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group. the court recalls that these acts fall within the scope of article the court recalls that these acts fall within the scope of article two of the convention when they are committed with the intent to destroy in whole or in part the group as such. the court further considers that israel must ensure with immediate effect that its military forces do not commit any of the aforementioned acts. the court is also of the view that israel must take measures within its power to prevent and punish the direct and public incitement to commit genocide in relation to the members of the palestinian group in the gaza strip. let's analyse get reaction to what we've heard to israel's prime minister. he called the icj charge
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of genocide against israel "false and outrageous". israel's commitment to international law is unwavering. equally unwavering is our sacred commitment to continue to defend our country and defend our people. like every country, israel has an inherent right to defend itself. the vile attempt to deny israel this fundamental right is blatant discrimination against the jewish state and it was justly rejected. the charge of genocide levelled against israel is not only false, it's outrageous, and decent people everywhere should reject it. 0n the eve of the international holocaust remembrance day, that was israel's prime minister. south african president cyril ramaposa addressed the nation a little earlier. here's what he said. it is very much our place as the people who know too well- the pain of dispossession, discrimination, _ state—sponsored violence. we are also a people who are the victims i of the crime of apartheid.
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we know what apartheid looks like. i we experienced and lived through it. sadly, many people died and were exiled like ouri with me is our international editor, jeremy bowen. let's ta ke let's take stock. your assessment on what we've seen today. i let's take stock. your assessment on what we've seen today.— what we've seen today. i think it's very significant — what we've seen today. i think it's very significant because _ what we've seen today. i think it's very significant because israel - very significant because israel essentially positioned the court to throw out the south african application. it didn't do that. more than that, it brought in these interim measures that israel needs to take. it has decided that israel has a plausible case to answer a plausible case made by south africa. it's that israel is guilty of the crime of genocide. that's a —— immensely serious. the fact this is going to be over a few years, it's going to be over a few years, it's going to be over a few years, it's going to take a while, it's something which i think will
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complicate matters enormously for israel and its allies. the politics of support for israel and reputational damage — not least the conduct of the war in gaza at the moment. the court has said israel has the right to defend... well, the court, not surprisingly didn't calls for a cease—fire. there is a right to self—defense. what the court said was israel has to fight the war in a very different way. in terms of the likelihood or otherwise of this actually . . likelihood or otherwise of this actuallj . . ., , , actually changing anything in this war, actually changing anything in this war. what's _ actually changing anything in this war, what's your _ actually changing anything in this war, what's your assessment - actually changing anything in this war, what's your assessment of i actually changing anything in this - war, what's your assessment of that? well, it might. we don't really know. the israelis have said this will go on for months. they say it will go on for months. they say it will go on until hamas is roundly defeated. but will this mean they will fight in a different way that
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they, that they will target what they, that they will target what they do, they want to track areas where lots of civilians live with 2,000 lb bombs? we have to see, but i think it will increase pressure on cease—fire and israel allies to support the next cease—fire resolution that goes ahead at the un security council. there is another round of negotiations going on at the moment for a cease—fire. it's about 60 days. a release of hostages and prisoners, that is going to take quite a bit of negotiation.— quite a bit of negotiation. jeremy bowen, thanks _ quite a bit of negotiation. jeremy bowen, thanks very _ quite a bit of negotiation. jeremy bowen, thanks very much - quite a bit of negotiation. jeremy bowen, thanks very much for- quite a bit of negotiation. jeremy i bowen, thanks very much for taking us through all of that. live now tojohannesburg, where i'm joined by thank you for being on the programme. your reaction to the icj.
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i think the african national congress are substantially in support of the decision by the court ofjustice. you may know the anc�*s organisation... and one of its obligations is to at all times engage in human solidarity. in obligations is to at all times engage in human solidarity. in terms of what you — engage in human solidarity. in terms of what you heard _ engage in human solidarity. in terms of what you heard from _ engage in human solidarity. in terms of what you heard from the - engage in human solidarity. in terms of what you heard from the court, i of what you heard from the court, were you disappointed that there was not a call for a cease—fire? ha. were you disappointed that there was not a call for a cease-fire?— not a call for a cease-fire? no. if ou look not a call for a cease-fire? no. if you look at _ not a call for a cease-fire? no. if you look at the _ not a call for a cease-fire? no. if you look at the icj _ not a call for a cease-fire? no. if you look at the icj cooperation, | not a call for a cease-fire? no. if| you look at the icj cooperation, it poses a number of obligations from the state. that includes the humanitarian court or, —— corridor,
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and at no stage can you prevent through deliberate act access to humanitarian security. secondly, the court appraises itself on the question that the south african government poses around the ethnic cleansing that has been taking place since the 7th of october 2023. unfortunate that it's even considered attacks by hamas against innocent civilians in israel. and
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the icj says that no innocent women and children can be humanely killed, prevent the issues about access to basic services, etc. so, we are reporting the sites of the most vulnerable.— vulnerable. the court was also callin: vulnerable. the court was also calling for— vulnerable. the court was also calling for the _ vulnerable. the court was also calling for the release - vulnerable. the court was also calling for the release of- vulnerable. the court was also calling for the release of the i calling for the release of the hostages taken by hamas on october the 7th. in terms of israel's right, do you accept they do have a right to defend themselves? b5 do you accept they do have a right to defend themselves?— do you accept they do have a right to defend themselves? as the african national congress, _ to defend themselves? as the african national congress, we _ to defend themselves? as the african national congress, we concur- to defend themselves? as the african national congress, we concur and - national congress, we concur and support the icj for the unconditional release of all hostages once captured by hamas. we must all be vocal about that issue. secondly, what the anc subscribed to
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is that any start of self—determination, there is a right of the occupying power. in this case, the state of israel is in power since 1948, and there is right in the nation to evoke at... the power since 1948, and there is right in the nation to evoke at. . .- in the nation to evoke at... the us in the nation to evoke at... the us in the nation to evoke at... the us in the last — in the nation to evoke at... the us in the last few _ in the nation to evoke at... the us in the last few minutes _ in the nation to evoke at... the us in the last few minutes has - in the nation to evoke at... the us l in the last few minutes has repeated that israel does have that basic right of self—defense, and they point to the un to underline that. i'm simply asking you — do you think israel has that right? i'm simply asking you - do you think israel has that right?— israel has that right? israel has a riaht israel has that right? israel has a ri . ht as israel has that right? israel has a right as an _ israel has that right? israel has a right as an occupying _ israel has that right? israel has a right as an occupying power - israel has that right? israel has a right as an occupying power in i right as an occupying power in relation to the civilian oversight. we concur in relation to specific
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aspects, the right to self—defense obviously is occupied power, as the agency, i think you would appreciate that we have a different view. there is a limitation of privileges as it relates to occupying power. just a final question. _ relates to occupying power. just a final question. in _ relates to occupying power. just a final question. in terms _ relates to occupying power. just a final question. in terms of - relates to occupying power. just a final question. in terms of this i final question. in terms of this ruling, there's nothing the icj can do to enforce it. if there is no change by israel, what happens in? i think two of the convention has been articulate by icj. subsequent to this ruling, the nature of the obligations as a relates to the
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state of israel... we do not anticipate that there would be a level of obliviousness or reluctance from israel to comply with the icj. the anc are calling for the results immediately of negotiations in relation to the two—state solution. alvin botes, thanks forjoining us on the programme. i want to get israel reaction now. live now to danny danon, israel's former ambassador to the united nations. welcome here. your reaction from what you've heard of the icj. indie what you've heard of the icj. we knew from _ what you've heard of the icj. , knew from the beginning that there was a fake petition about fake genocide. i'm glad coming from south africa, they were not able to show
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any evidence or intention or actions connected to a genocide. that's part of a diplomatic terrorism that hamas has with south africa trying to apply against israel. the international day of remembrance of the holocaust all over the world, and then in europe, you have a cult blaming israel for genocide. it was shameful and we will continue. you sa that shameful and we will continue. you say that it's- -- _ shameful and we will continue. you say that it's. .. and _ shameful and we will continue. you say that it's. .. and continue - shameful and we will continue. you say that it's. .. and continue to i say that it's. .. and continue to fi . ht say that it's. .. and continue to fight against — say that it's. .. and continue to fight against hamas. - say that it's. .. and continue to fight against hamas. sure. i say that it's. .. and continue to | fight against hamas. sure. you say it is fake and _ fight against hamas. sure. you say it is fake and that _ fight against hamas. sure. you say it is fake and that is _ fight against hamas. sure. you say it is fake and that is what _ fight against hamas. sure. you say it is fake and that is what is - it is fake and that is what is borne out today, but they did not throw out today, but they did not throw out the case. israel asked them to and they did not because presumably, there is a plausible case to answer. it's still to be decided, but they decided there is a plausible case answer here.— decided there is a plausible case answer here. ~ , , ., ., answer here. well, they should have. but the answer here. well, they should have. itut they didn't. _ answer here. well, they should have. but they didn't, that's _ answer here. well, they should have. but they didn't, that's what _ answer here. well, they should have. but they didn't, that's what i'm i but they didn't, that's what i'm saying. but they didn't, that's what i'm sa inc. , , ., .,
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but they didn't, that's what i'm saying— itutl but they didn't, that's what i'm i snyihg-— but they saying. they should have. but they didn't. is saying. they should have. but they didn't- is a — saying. they should have. but they didn't. is a political— saying. they should have. but they didn't. is a political manoeuvre i didn't. is a political manoeuvre auainst didn't. is a political manoeuvre against israel. _ didn't. is a political manoeuvre against israel. it's _ didn't. is a political manoeuvre| against israel. it's unbelievable that a terrorist organisation attacked israel without any provocation. we had a cease—fire with hamas before october the 7th, and then after the butcher massacre, rape and kidnapping of hundreds, we are going to the court and asked them to stop the war. i think many democracies would be worry about this petition because every nation has the right to defend itself. sorry to come in, but nobody is doubting about the horrors of october the 7th. even the court referenced and called for the release of the hostages. but that was a group that israel has likened it to i asked. israel is a democracy. the case in point is how israel has executed this war —— likened to is. indie
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israel has executed this war -- likened to is.— israel has executed this war -- likened to is. we were able to put the court that _ likened to is. we were able to put the court that there _ likened to is. we were able to put the court that there was _ likened to is. we were able to put the court that there was no - the court that there was no issue. no one was able to prove about any intention or any acts. i will give you an example. when you issued the operation into gaza, it took us three weeks before we rolled out. i don't think anyone would have done the same like us. a terrorist organisation is hiding behind civilians, but we are doing anything our power to minimise civilian casualties and we were successful. but you say that, and that is contested. in terms of what the court said today, they said israel should be preventing and punching the direct incitement of genocide —— punishing. and you will know so many of these quotes. the president of your country said it's an entire nation out there that's responsible. you have the minister of national security saying they're all terrorists and they should all be
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destroyed. you are the deputy speaker of the knesset saying we all have one common goal — erasing the gaza strip from the face of the earth. do except with the court has said, that that sort of incitement needs to be reined in and has to stop? needs to be reined in and has to sto - ? a needs to be reined in and has to sto? �* , needs to be reined in and has to sto? �*, ., ~' needs to be reined in and has to sto? �*, .,~' stop? matthew, let's talk about the facts. i'm stop? matthew, let's talk about the facts- i'mjust_ stop? matthew, let's talk about the facts. i'm just asking _ stop? matthew, let's talk about the facts. i'm just asking you _ stop? matthew, let's talk about the facts. i'm just asking you about i facts. i'm 'ust asking you about that facts. i'm just asking you about that question. _ facts. i'm just asking you about that question. i'm _ facts. i'm just asking you about that question. i'm going - facts. i'm just asking you about that question. i'm going to i facts. i'm just asking you about i that question. i'm going to answer with facts- — that question. i'm going to answer with facts- we _ that question. i'm going to answer with facts. we have _ that question. i'm going to answer with facts. we have a _ that question. i'm going to answer with facts. we have a democracy l that question. i'm going to answer| with facts. we have a democracy of my million people, as for the massacre, people spoke out against what happened —— 9 million. they spoke about punishment. the action of the government, we never punish the gaza people, we punish hamas. crosstalk the difficulty with that argument... 0k. ., ., ., ., ~ the difficulty with that argument... ok. you have to make a point that when ou ok. you have to make a point that when you look— ok. you have to make a point that when you look at _ ok. you have to make a point that when you look at that _ ok. you have to make a point that when you look at that atrocity, i when you look at that atrocity, thousands of residents of gaza — not hamas militants — took part in the
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raping and kidnapping and the massacre. we are not blaming the entire population, but no—one can say it was only hamas. this is why i think the future, it will be enough to uproot hamas, but the people of gaza should look for a better future. ~ ,., gaza should look for a better future. ~ ., ., , future. when some of those quotes that i read future. when some of those quotes that i read out _ future. when some of those quotes that i read out - _ future. when some of those quotes that i read out - there _ future. when some of those quotes that i read out - there are - future. when some of those quotes that i read out - there are many i that i read out — there are many more — have been put to the authorities before, they've often said those are people who are not responsible for actual policies. but you read those comments and you see those comments, and you look at the scene, the pictures, the death toll — they look pretty similar. h0. - they look pretty similar. no, i think when _ - they look pretty similar. no, i think when you _ - they look pretty similar. no, i think when you look _ - they look pretty similar. no, i think when you look at - - they look pretty similar. no, i think when you look at the i think when you look at the military action, the intention, the way we pulled back the war, you understand what we are doing the opposite. nobody can speak about the genocide. that's shameful. we try to minimise
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casualties every day and every act we do. we acting according to international law. it is about time the court speaks on behalf of the hostages. it the court speaks on behalf of the hosta . es. �* the court speaks on behalf of the hostaues. �* ., ., , hostages. it did. i've already mentioned — hostages. it did. i've already mentioned it. _ hostages. it did. i've already mentioned it. one _ hostages. it did. i've already mentioned it. one more i hostages. it did. i've already i mentioned it. one more question. will israel abide by the whole variety of those emergency measures that the court has gone through today? they've given israel a month today? they've given israel a month to comply. a really simple question to comply. a really simple question to you — will israel change the way it's being conducting the war and the ways the court has stipulated today? would you do that? indie today? would you do that? we don't have to change _ today? would you do that? we don't have to change it _ today? would you do that? we don't have to change it because _ today? would you do that? we don't| have to change it because we already complied with it. we acted accordingly. but i doubt that hamas will talk tomorrow morning. with all due respect, it's a one—sided
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decision that applies to israel. we comply with it. but until hamas... we are committed to continued the war and to release our boys and girls club are in the home. just 15 seconds. girls club are in the home. just 15 seconds- -- _ girls club are in the home. just 15 seconds. -- boys— girls club are in the home. just 15 seconds. -- boys and _ girls club are in the home. just 15 seconds. -- boys and girls and i girls club are in the home. just 15 i seconds. -- boys and girls and bring seconds. —— boys and girls and bring them home. do you think this increases the pressure on israel to accept some sort of new pause? {lin accept some sort of new pause? on the contrary. i think the court didn't decide to call for a cease—fire because we realise we have no choice to defend ourselves. justices realised that we are fighting and we have no other choice but to defeat evil.— but to defeat evil. danny danon, crateful but to defeat evil. danny danon, grateful for _ but to defeat evil. danny danon, grateful for you _ but to defeat evil. danny danon, grateful for you joining - but to defeat evil. danny danon, grateful for you joining us - but to defeat evil. danny danon, grateful for you joining us live i but to defeat evil. danny danon, | grateful for you joining us live on the programme. thanks very much for your time. the programme. thanks very much for our time. ., ~ i. around the world and across the uk, this is bbc news. let's look at some other
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stories making news. the bbc has found that more than 60 phone calls were made to the police and social services in the three years before a nine—year—old boy was killed by his mother and her partner. alfie steele died in droitwich. alfie steele died in droitwich in worcestershire in 2021, after suffering abuse. a report by worcestershire safeguarding children's partnership has highlighted a string of missed opportunities. the conservative peer, michelle mone, and her husband, doug barrowman, have had millions of pounds in assets frozen or restrained by a court order obtained by the crown prosecution service. the national crime agency is investigating allegations of fraud in contracts for personal protective equipment, awarded during the pandemic to a company linked to mr barrowman. the uk has halted trade talks with canada, with discussions breaking down due to a disagreement over beef and cheese. the two nations have been negotiating for the last two years after britain left the eu, with trade continuing under the same deal originally brokered when the uk
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was a member of the bloc. just a few stories making headlines. you're live with bbc news. as most eyes have been turned to the icj's provisional ruling, there's been an unrelated and rather striking announcement by unwra — the un body responsible for palestinian refugees. in a statement, philippe lazzarini, the body's commissioner—general, said... let's get more on this story from our state department correspondent, tom bateman.
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we've been telling our viewers the you were there in a briefing with the state department officials. they are clearly conserved. take are some of the things they sent to you. this of the things they sent to you. as ou of the things they sent to you. is you say, the state department says that the information came from the israelis, passed to unrwa itself. they said the information was about allegations that some of its staff were involved in the october attacks. we don't have the details of what those allegations were, but it seems to be serious enough that for a start, unrwa have sacked what it describes as several members of staff. the state department here says it will withhold us funding to unrwa until it's satisfied there's been a full investigation, which unrwa says it is doing and they are
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satisfied the matter has been looked into. pretty strong response which i think is suggestive from both unrwa and the us, they see some substance to this. although there is an investigation going on. the reason this matters is that there's always been a sort of... the israelis have no time for unrwa whatsoever. the officials are always very deeply critical of it. it is absolutely crucial and fundamental part of the service provision to palestinians in gaza, the occupied west bank and westjerusalem. it has been since 1948. and westjerusalem. it has been since 19118. and so, what happens with unrwa really matters. it's had funding stream for a very long time for a lot of these political reasons, particularly during the trump years. for context, there are 13,000 staff that work for unrwa in gaza. the state department is
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talking about 12 people. i suppose is this crisis goes on, we might hear a bit more from unrwa that they can't have a handle on everything, on 13,000 people, but they say they are looking into this and investigating.— are looking into this and investigating. are looking into this and investiuuatin. ., . ., ., and charles is said to be doing well. he was visited earlier by queen camilla, seen here leaving the hospital. the king had a procedure being diagnosed with the condition earlier today. being diagnosed with the condition earliertoday. —— being diagnosed with the condition earlier today. —— earlier this month. catherine, the princess of wales, had surgery there last week. gallagher gave us this charlie update. mcqueen, who went to hospital, she's now left the hospital. it's
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possible... the king could well spend the weekend and hospital. another person who is also in the hospital is the princess of wales. she's there as well. chip surgery with a problem with her abdomen —— she had surgery. the king is doing well and the princess is recuperating.— well and the princess is recueratin.. ., ., ., recuperating. charlotte gallagher in the newsroom. _ recuperating. charlotte gallagher in the newsroom. those _ recuperating. charlotte gallagher in the newsroom. those of— recuperating. charlotte gallagher in the newsroom. those of the - recuperating. charlotte gallagher in the newsroom. those of the latestl the newsroom. those of the latest headlines here on bbc news. i'm back injust a moment. don't headlines here on bbc news. i'm back in just a moment. don't go away. hello there. for many parts of the country, it's been a dry and sunny day today. still some rather brisk winds in places. we had some gusty winds overnight on that band of cloud that swept some rain eastwards. that's long gone now, but following on from that, we've seen a bit of a change to something cooler and fresher. those temperatures will drop away
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quickly this evening — already at five o'clock or so, those numbers are going to be sitting around six or seven degrees. whilst the winds are lighter in the south, it's still quite blustery further north, and overnight through the night, we're still likely to have some gates in the far north—west of scotland. it's going to be across the northern half of scotland we continue to see the showers into the night, the odd one possible for northern ireland and then maybe into the far north of england just for a while with a bit more cloud. further south the winds will be lighter, skies will be clearer. it's going to turn quite chilly in the south—east of england — temperatures could be close to freezing by saturday morning. not quite so cold further north in scotland and northern ireland. and the weekend looking pretty good for most of us — lot of dry weather around, some sunshine at times and those temperatures are going to be rising, as well. most of the rain, i think, as we head into saturday is going to be on that band of cloud and rain in the far north of scotland.
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could get one or two spots of rain in the afternoon for northern ireland, later in western scotland, otherwise it's going to be dry. the sunshine could be a bit hazy at times, but temperatures will be higher than today at around nine or ten degrees. there is a weather frontjust sort of lurking out in the atlantic, and eventually it will arrive in the far north—west of the uk, but, ahead of that, the winds are going to be picking up. it's going to be a southerly wind on sunday, and that means temperatures will continue to rise. maybe a bit more cloud around on sunday, especially around some of these western hills and coasts. the best of the sunshine likely to be across the eastern side of the uk. there's that band of rain approaching northern ireland, more especially the north—west of scotland later on in the day. ahead of that, temperatures will be higher. will be higher — could make 111 degrees perhaps around the moray firth in that southerly wind. heading into the beginning of next week, and that weather front bringing that rain in from the north—west is going to stumble its way towards england and wales. may well be some heavy bursts of rain for a while and, with colder air in the north—west, the risk of some snow over the scottish mountains. ahead of that rain, as it pushes into england and wales, maybe the midlands, as well,
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