us and british aggression. a jury in new york orders donald trump to pay $83 million in damages to the writer ejean carroll. mr trump had already been found to have defamed her with comments he made in 2019. the owner ofjohn lewis and waitrose is considering cutting up to 11,000 staffjobs in the next five years as part of a plan to improve efficiency. now on bbc news, newscast. chris, what do you think is the most iconic item of clothing in the uk at the moment on tv? well... traitor style cloak or you're missing tie from the ten o'clock —— traitor style cloak or your missing tie from the ten o'clock news on wednesday night? well, ithink, you know, the traitor style cloak probably pips the tie, i will acknowledge that,

despite my relative ignorance, total ignorance about the traitors. i have still not found my tie, though. have you not? no. but the merit of losing it — and, actually, i think it was worth losing it for this — is that i briefly got to go on scott mills�* show on radio 2. 0h, 0k. because he asked me, well, where is your tie, have you found it? so i sent him a little voice note saying, you know — and this is still true as we record now — i don't know where it has gone. and the ripples then spread out and even i got dragged into this because martin lewis put out a tweet to his, like, 10 million followers saying that i had probably nicked it. so i then had to sort of defend myself. i haven't worn a tie for several years. i haven't worn one all day yet because i still can't find it. anyway, i am going to take my traitors cloak of because, a, it is quite hot... also, we did ask the traitors if we could have one of the real ones. they said, no, they are wearing it on the one show tonight, so we had to get this rip off one. so i'm going to take it off because we will be joined by a traitors mega celebrity towards the end of this episode of newscast, but i am not going to wear this

because our first guest is, like, a political legend. it just feels a little bit inappropriate. but all will unfold and be revealed on this episode of newscast. newscast. newscast from the bbc. hello, it's adam in the studio. i have ditched the cloak. yes. and i'm chris at westminster. and we are joined by the former labour leader, lord kinnock. hello! hello. welcome to newscast for the first time ever. first time, yes. it is part of modern days, and i am still catching up. are labour going to win the general election? we are not going to lose, in my view, but that is about as far as i go. there have been so many false springs and summers. and we get a first past the post electoral system, and the polls give you indications, but they are not the poll, so everything has got to be taken with the fair serving of salt. i mean, lam delighted,

ecstatic sometimes, about how well we are doing. but we have got i think ten months to go yet. and, i mean, so many people have said to me round this place, "0h, is it 1992 or is it 1997?" i mean, ifanyone is going to know... it is 2024. do you know, i was thinking for different reasons a couple of days ago that even the two elections in 1974 were in different circumstances. and certainly elections of '64 and '66, in which i obviously campaigned, they were entirely different. so there is no rehearsal for any election. and you can find elements of genuine comparison, obviously you can, but there is no rerun. i was looking back a couple of weeks

ago at uk general election is over the last century and a bit. i think, if i remember rightly, since 1918 there has been 28 general elections, of which the conservatives have won 18... yes. ..and labour... this is like you are practising for election night. i love it. and labour have won ten. no, we have not won ten. all right, formed a government after ten. yes. why is it that labour are historically so good at losing elections? it is partly because we inflict problems on ourselves, both in opposition certainly and only to a slightly lesser extent in government, because there is nearly always... it is not always the case, and currently it is not the case, which is very healthy. so frequently the case there is a contest in the labour movement between those who want power within labour and those

who want power for labour. the other reason is first past the post because, especially in the years since the 605, particularly, when there have been more than the two parties contesting for seats, the division has invariably been in the anti—conservative majority. and any first past the post system, that gives a real advantage to what apparently has been this monolith of a conservative party. and the conservative party now, is this the sort of spectacularly exhausted kind of conservative party compared to other times in that timeline? yes. they have never been like this before? i mean, john major gave them a new pair of lungs when margaret thatcher was toppled and he was put in her place

because he so manifestly was not in any respect margaret thatcher. and i was anticipating michael heseltine, which i thought would be excellent because he was such a divisive figure, despite his great capabilities, which are not in any doubt. and then along comes the utterly normal man off the street, john major. because he was a surprise, wasn't he? people weren't. .. that wasn't kind of in the line—up. he was as surprised as anybody, i can tell you. he will tell you that himself. but formidably normal. yes, exactly. at a time when nobody voted down... well, maybe in some editorials, but no strategist said the one thing, the one thing, john major, you must be is in every respect not margaret thatcher, so you have to be generous and you have to be extremely courteous in all circumstances,

not as a formality, like mrs t, but the genuine article. and john major was authentic. is keir starmer, quote unquote, normal? yes. does he manage to communicate that? i think it is very difficult as labour leader to communicate that. because to be normal means to be almost perpetually relaxed. and if you are relaxed, you know as labour leader that the nearest erroneous syntax, slipping a reference, that the merest erroneous syntax, slip in a reference, half announced a swear word, not that keir starmer does a lot of cussing, butjust

in the normality of conversation, then you know it is going to be exaggerated, distorted, blown up. not so much by the broadcast media, but they have to be an echo chamber of so—called mainstream news print media. and so consequently, when you know that, being entirely normal continually is not easy. is there something that he is holding back, then, that you see kind of privately? no, no. no, he is giving full hearted commitment, but part of that commitment is pretty ironclad discipline. and it has got to be. now, that can impose a sort of veil between yourself and the public. but it is better for keir starmer to take that small risk that the bigger risk, the speculative risk of being entirely normal — keir starmer bloke and man of distinction, if you can

see the combination. what do you say to the critics — and we are seeing this weaponised more and more by the conservatives — who say there is a central issue about what keir starmer actually stands for? and the evidence that is cited for that is, look at what he said when he was running for the labour leadership and look at what he has said since. and to perhaps caricature that argument, people say, he campaigned on x to get the job and now he is campaigning on y. in other words, he hasjunked loads of what he stood for when he ran for the leadership. now, it is a different electorate, but then what is the voter supposed to believe that he actually believes? what the electorate already understands, that you campaign for the leadership — if i can adapt a phrase — in poetry, and you lead a party in prose. and that is the difference. what keir starmer had to do in running for the leadership — and i wasn't in any sense directly engaged with him at the time,

but i could see what he was necessarily doing — was to reassure the breadth of the labour movement, the breadth, that he shared their concerns, priorities, and he would seek to pursue them. absolutely authentic, totally sincere, no question at all. now what he has to do is to persuade an electorate of over 30 million that he has constructive proposals that are practical over a period of time without inflicting huge costs on working people, and that is a different challenge, and he is performing it the very well. i am going to pivot onto your everyday life now, which has obviously changed massively with the death of glenys, and we were so sorry to hear about that, but the outpouring of amazing stories and affection for her was... actually, you could feel

this wave of affection, it was actually very special. how does it feel to be kind of back in radio studios, back in the lords, back talking about this stuff? well, lam... talking to you two is pleasant. it is like being in a pub at 10.15. indeed, it is a bit. we go to a different pub. but, i mean, it is not unpleasant, this is my trade, it has been for... i don't remember. and you guys know your way and know your business, and you ask interesting, prompting questions. when i went back to the house of lords after four years absent, and my colleagues... not just labour colleagues, on the other side too, were immensely understanding and extremely kind. it was a bit going off the high board, because i knew everybody would be very kind, and i wasn't sure. and sometimes...

that can be hard. yeah, exactly. but, yes, they were extremely kind and solicitous. and i got away with it. and has it made you think differently about some of, like, the public policy issues that may be when you're a full—time politician, they were short of a bit theoretical? i mean things like the social care system, the nhs. theoretical politics has never been my bag. i realised as soon as i said that it was not a very good description. i mean, there is a place for theory and politics, it is in universities. i and politics, it is in universities. hust— and politics, it is in universities. liust mean— and politics, it is in universities. ijust mean that you have lived social care now, as you are a carer for so many years. social care now, as you are a carer for so many yew-— social care now, as you are a carer for so many years. without you even referrin: for so many years. without you even referring to — for so many years. without you even referring to it. _ for so many years. without you even referring to it, i _ for so many years. without you even referring to it, i would _ for so many years. without you even referring to it, i would say _ for so many years. without you even referring to it, i would say that - for so many years. without you even referring to it, i would say that i - referring to it, i would say that i was very— referring to it, i would say that i was very conscious because of previously _

was very conscious because of previously being a constituency mp and being — previously being a constituency mp and being a human being in our country — and being a human being in our country. you know, with any kind of sense _ country. you know, with any kind of sense of— country. you know, with any kind of sense of sensibility that things have _ sense of sensibility that things have been wrong for a very long time _ have been wrong for a very long time in — have been wrong for a very long time. in fact, they have never been right _ time. in fact, they have never been right but _ time. in fact, they have never been right. but with glenys requiring over— right. but with glenys requiring over the — right. but with glenys requiring over the last four years continual care, _ over the last four years continual care, it _ over the last four years continual care, it was _ over the last four years continual care, it was a different scale of things— care, it was a different scale of things in— care, it was a different scale of things in the first couple of years that she — things in the first couple of years that she was diagnosed. but it really— that she was diagnosed. but it really rammed home to me that i don't _ really rammed home to me that i don't know— really rammed home to me that i don't know what people do that can't affordm _ don't know what people do that can't affordm you — don't know what people do that can't afford... you do it in any case, the kind _ afford... you do it in any case, the kind of— afford... you do it in any case, the kind of care — afford... you do it in any case, the kind of care that supported myself and glenys. glenys had supreme carers _ and glenys. glenys had supreme carers. they were phenomenal. and they are _ carers. they were phenomenal. and they are good friends now. but

without — they are good friends now. but without that, she wouldn't have had the support and consideration and attention— the support and consideration and attention that she needed, and everybody in that condition does need. _ everybody in that condition does need. and — everybody in that condition does need, and it probably would have killed _ need, and it probably would have killed me — need, and it probably would have killed me. like it does cool other people. — killed me. like it does cool other people. or— killed me. like it does cool other people, orat killed me. like it does cool other people, or at least it completely —— cool people, or at least it completely —— coot other— people, or at least it completely —— cool other people, or it completely eradicates— cool other people, or it completely eradicates them as people with their own lives _ eradicates them as people with their own lives. and we really have to do something — own lives. and we really have to do something. yes, in terms of pay to carers, _ something. yes, in terms of pay to carers, but — something. yes, in terms of pay to carers, but that does mean a much more _ carers, but that does mean a much more comprehensive health system, and it— more comprehensive health system, and it must— more comprehensive health system, and it must be part of the health care system, that can give support to the _ care system, that can give support to the ageing and disabled population. now, the reason why in some _ population. now, the reason why in some ways — population. now, the reason why in some ways research and development

in these _ some ways research and development in these areas, like the diagnosing and treatment of dementia, is not in its infancy, _ and treatment of dementia, is not in its infancy, but barely reaching its teens, _ its infancy, but barely reaching its teens, is — its infancy, but barely reaching its teens, is that before, people died. now, _ teens, is that before, people died. now, because of the shift in a country. — now, because of the shift in a country. to— now, because of the shift in a country, to which we have not paid as a couhtry— country, to which we have not paid as a country enough attention, since the i960s. _ as a country enough attention, since the 19605, we just a5 a country enough attention, since the 19605, we just have not given it the 19605, we just have not given it the attention, not many other countries _ the attention, not many other countries have either, may be the nordics— countries have either, may be the nordics and — countries have either, may be the nordics and the dutch, that is about it, nordics and the dutch, that is about it. irut— nordics and the dutch, that is about it. but we _ nordics and the dutch, that is about it, but we have got to catch up with it. , ., ~ it, but we have got to catch up with it. i. ~ ., it, but we have got to catch up with it. do you think we are cut out as a country to — it. do you think we are cut out as a country to do _ it. do you think we are cut out as a country to do that? _ it. do you think we are cut out as a country to do that? so _ it. do you think we are cut out as a country to do that? so many - it. do you think we are cut out as a| country to do that? so many people have had to care for a relative and had a really hard time. yet, as a country we still have not gone, right, let's all spend money on social care. that has been under all sorts of different governments. to sorts of different governments. trr sharpen that, is it perhaps the uk's

single biggest public policy failure, that successive governments of different political stripes over at least a generation, if not a couple of generations, have somehow not found the will to deal with this, to sort it out? to not found the will to deal with this, to sort it out?— this, to sort it out? to do it properly. — this, to sort it out? to do it property. we _ this, to sort it out? to do it properly, we have - this, to sort it out? to do it properly, we have got - this, to sort it out? to do it properly, we have got to i this, to sort it out? to do it| properly, we have got to say this, to sort it out? to do it - properly, we have got to say to a generation, — properly, we have got to say to a generation, we are going to have to pay for— generation, we are going to have to pay for the — generation, we are going to have to pay for the future. and it does mean that whilst— pay for the future. and it does mean that whilst we vastly value of the votuntary — that whilst we vastly value of the voluntary effort, all the love, compassion, consideration that goes into looking after your folks, looking — into looking after your folks, looking after neighbours, being part of the _ looking after neighbours, being part of the community, doing things, we love that, _ of the community, doing things, we love that, it— of the community, doing things, we love that, it is great, but it is not _ love that, it is great, but it is not enough and we have got to have defined. _ not enough and we have got to have defined, separate, statutory health and community care tax. you cut the standard _ and community care tax. you cut the standard rate — and community care tax. you cut the standard rate by a bit, and then you

replace _ standard rate by a bit, and then you replace it _ standard rate by a bit, and then you replace it with a tax that can only be dedicated to health care and community care. if we do not do that, _ community care. if we do not do that, we — community care. if we do not do that, we will not finance the research _ that, we will not finance the research in any sphere of medical development, people will die avoid doubly, _ development, people will die avoid doubly, and we will not tackle the massive _ doubly, and we will not tackle the massive challenges and expenses of simply— massive challenges and expenses of simply ageing. we celebrate that, we love that, _ simply ageing. we celebrate that, we tove that, i_ simply ageing. we celebrate that, we love that, i will be 92 and a couple of weeks _ love that, i will be 92 and a couple of weeks - — love that, i will be 92 and a couple of weeks — fingers crossed, you never _ of weeks — fingers crossed, you never know! the 805 is bloody dangerous! much more dangerous than bein- dangerous! much more dangerous than being in— dangerous! much more dangerous than being in the _ dangerous! much more dangerous than being in the sas. i�*m dangerous! much more dangerous than being in the sits-— being in the sas. i'm sure david davis would _ being in the sas. i'm sure david davis would disagree. _ being in the sas. i'm sure david davis would disagree. when - being in the sas. i'm sure david davis would disagree. when he | being in the sas. i'm sure david - davis would disagree. when he gets to 80, he davis would disagree. when he gets to 80. he will— davis would disagree. when he gets to 80, he will agree. _ davis would disagree. when he gets to 80, he will agree. i— davis would disagree. when he gets to 80, he will agree. i love - davis would disagree. when he gets to 80, he will agree. i love the - to 80, he will agree. i love the fact ou to 80, he will agree. i love the fact you have _ to 80, he will agree. i love the fact you have not _ to 80, he will agree. i love the fact you have not lost - to 80, he will agree. i love the fact you have not lost your - to 80, he will agree. i love the i fact you have not lost your touch. yet other really long meandering conversation by the end you still manage to get your key policy talking about and there, you want change to the tax system. i had to

net ou change to the tax system. i had to get you believing _ change to the tax system. i had to get you believing first. _ change to the tax system. i had to get you believing first. lifting - change to the tax system. i had to get you believing first. lifting the | get you believing first. lifting the curtain. thank _ get you believing first. lifting the curtain. thank you _ get you believing first. lifting the curtain. thank you very _ get you believing first. lifting the curtain. thank you very much, i get you believing first. lifting the curtain. thank you very much, it| get you believing first. lifting the i curtain. thank you very much, it has been lovely to catch up.— curtain. thank you very much, it has been lovely to catch up. seems year. i am now been lovely to catch up. seems year. i am now going _ been lovely to catch up. seems year. i am now going to — been lovely to catch up. seems year. i am now going to read _ been lovely to catch up. seems year. i am now going to read out _ been lovely to catch up. seems year. i am now going to read out an - been lovely to catch up. seems year. j i am now going to read out an e-mail i am now going to read out an e—mail that came in on monday. it was addressed to laura and paddy, just to be clear. it said, really not happy with newscast�*s spoiler for the traitor poole yesterday, uk no pause between your spoiler alert and revealing that diane had been a break—out star and had been banished. to avoid that, anonymous e—mail, we are now going to play the newscast spoiler alert klaxon. because we are going to be joined by paul of the traitors. welcome to our very low budget castle. this is probably not the grand jury you are used to. i probably not the grand 'ury you are used to. ~ . . probably not the grand 'ury you are used to. ~' , , . used to. i like it. this is nice. i does have _ used to. i like it. this is nice. i does have a — used to. i like it. this is nice. i does have a conspiratorial i does have a conspiratorial atmosphere. low lighting, cosy. | atmosphere. low lighting, cosy. i will atmosphere. low lighting, cosy. will have to atmosphere. low lighting, cosy. i will have to do a full admission at the start which is that, because my

job entails working for the programme that comes on immediately after traitors... programme that comes on immediately after traitors- - -— after traitors. .. thank you for worming _ after traitors. .. thank you for worming everyone _ after traitors. .. thank you for worming everyone up - after traitors. .. thank you for worming everyone up for i after traitors. .. thank you for worming everyone up for are | worming everyone up for are inheriting a colossal audience for which i am grateful. i approach this conversation with near total ignorance. conversation with near total ignorance-— conversation with near total i ignorance._ there conversation with near total - ignorance._ there may ignorance. that is good. there may be some, despite _ ignorance. that is good. there may be some, despite the _ ignorance. that is good. there may be some, despite the incredible i be some, despite the incredible popularity of the traitor poole, who may be in the same position as me. i will stand on their behalf. it is better to say _ will stand on their behalf. it is better to say that _ will stand on their behalf. it is better to say that and pretend to know _ better to say that and pretend to know. ,, ., , , ., know. indeed. sometimes when you have the veneer _ know. indeed. sometimes when you have the veneer of _ know. indeed. sometimes when you have the veneer of knowledge i know. indeed. sometimes when you have the veneer of knowledge as i know. indeed. sometimes when you have the veneer of knowledge as a l have the veneer of knowledge as a journalist, you attend that, but nsn since i do not even have that. for the last two _ since i do not even have that. for the last two weeks, you have been a bit of a villain, but now here are and your nice! i bit of a villain, but now here are and your nice!— bit of a villain, but now here are and your nice! i do not know which one the actor _ and your nice! i do not know which one the actor is. _ and your nice! i do not know which one the actor is. when _ and your nice! i do not know which one the actor is. when i _ and your nice! i do not know which one the actor is. when i got i and your nice! i do not know which one the actor is. when i got a i and your nice! i do not know which one the actor is. when i got a bit l one the actor is. when i got a bit of cognitive — one the actor is. when i got a bit of cognitive dissonance. if you go into a _ of cognitive dissonance. if you go into a job — of cognitive dissonance. if you go into a job and you really want that role. _ into a job and you really want that role. you — into a job and you really want that role, you have to enable the interview. _ role, you have to enable the interview, which i feel like i did with— interview, which i feel like i did with claudia. then you also have to follow _ with claudia. then you also have to follow up _ with claudia. then you also have to follow up with it because millions

of people — follow up with it because millions of people at home, you have paid them _ of people at home, you have paid them a _ of people at home, you have paid them a promise. you said you're going _ them a promise. you said you're going to — them a promise. you said you're going to be _ them a promise. you said you're going to be a villain, you're going to be _ going to be a villain, you're going to be dastardly, manipulate, lie and all these _ to be dastardly, manipulate, lie and all these things, which happens on the show. — all these things, which happens on the show, i'm going to go out there, do it and _ the show, i'm going to go out there, do it and give — the show, i'm going to go out there, do it and give it my all. how the show, i'm going to go out there, do it and give it my all.— do it and give it my all. how do --eole do it and give it my all. how do people that _ do it and give it my all. how do people that you _ do it and give it my all. how do people that you bump - do it and give it my all. how do people that you bump react i do it and give it my all. how do l people that you bump react when do it and give it my all. how do i people that you bump react when you are in public transport or the supermarket?— are in public transport or the su ermarket? , ., ., ., ~' supermarket? they love it. i took the uk public _ supermarket? they love it. i took the uk public maybe _ supermarket? they love it. i took the uk public maybe one - supermarket? they love it. i took the uk public maybe one or- supermarket? they love it. i took the uk public maybe one or two l the uk public maybe one or two episodes... because at the start i was really— episodes... because at the start i was reallyjarring. in season one, there _ was reallyjarring. in season one, there was— was reallyjarring. in season one, there was no character like me, i've not watched — there was no character like me, i've not watched any of the elements around _ not watched any of the elements around the world, but maybe it is rare for— around the world, but maybe it is rare for someone to say they are going _ rare for someone to say they are going to — rare for someone to say they are going to be — rare for someone to say they are going to be a villain, be dastardly, so i going to be a villain, be dastardly, so i got _ going to be a villain, be dastardly, so i got i _ going to be a villain, be dastardly, so i got i got some heat, negative comments — so i got i got some heat, negative comments online, but they were all about— comments online, but they were all about the _ comments online, but they were all about the character i was portraying in the _ about the character i was portraying in the show — about the character i was portraying in the show. i do not hurt or offend me one _ in the show. i do not hurt or offend me one bit — in the show. i do not hurt or offend me one bit it— in the show. i do not hurt or offend me one bit. if anything, in the show. i do not hurt or offend me one bit. ifanything, it in the show. i do not hurt or offend me one bit. if anything, it is positive _ me one bit. if anything, it is positive because it is sure you are getting _ positive because it is sure you are getting what i was trying to do. but now i_ getting what i was trying to do. but now i have — getting what i was trying to do. but now i have left, people are being really— now i have left, people are being really positive, really nice. i'm even _ really positive, really nice. i'm even getting now that they miss me. you would _ even getting now that they miss me. you would say that, i don't know if

thatis you would say that, i don't know if that is a tactic. 50. you would say that, i don't know if that is a tactic.— that is a tactic. so, the central premise. _ that is a tactic. so, the central premise. help _ that is a tactic. so, the central premise, help me _ that is a tactic. so, the central premise, help me out - that is a tactic. so, the central premise, help me out if- that is a tactic. so, the central premise, help me out if i i that is a tactic. so, the central premise, help me out if i get i that is a tactic. so, the central. premise, help me out if i get this wrong, of the whole show is this idea that some people are nominated to perform this role as traitors. but they can also recruit extra ones. �* . but they can also recruit extra ones. �* , ,., ., ones. and then there is the point of the big reveal- _ ones. and then there is the point of the big reveal. which _ ones. and then there is the point of the big reveal. which brings - ones. and then there is the point of the big reveal. which brings me i ones. and then there is the point of the big reveal. which brings me to l the big reveal. which brings me to this sort of overlap that i find with the job that i do here at westminster, which is not as directly point as you might be expecting, which is that i have come to realise the importance of the enduring power of character. and so i suppose, is there something in your character prior to doing the tele— stuff that allowed you to do what you did so well? tele- stuff that allowed you to do what you did so well?— tele- stuff that allowed you to do what you did so well? there must be. it is such what you did so well? there must be. it is such a — what you did so well? there must be. it is such a great _ what you did so well? there must be. it is such a great question, _ what you did so well? there must be. it is such a great question, and i what you did so well? there must be. it is such a great question, and it i it is such a great question, and it does _ it is such a great question, and it does link— it is such a great question, and it does link politically, a5 it is such a great question, and it does link politically, as well, because _ does link politically, as well, because i_ does link politically, as well, because i think a lot of what enabled _ because i think a lot of what enabled me to do well, so well as i did was— enabled me to do well, so well as i did was charisma. it wasjust confidence. i had such a self

belief. — confidence. i had such a self belief, and people... you gain trust. — belief, and people... you gain trust. and _ belief, and people... you gain trust, and what you have that from a fellow _ trust, and what you have that from a fellow human, you can kind of manipulate them and you can accept their fault— manipulate them and you can accept their fault and you can steer them. your— their fault and you can steer them. your emma— their fault and you can steer them. your emma does that come from? i have _ your emma does that come from? i have no— your emma does that come from? i have no idea — your emma does that come from? i have no idea where it has come from. i have no idea where it has come from. i reckon— have no idea where it has come from. i reckon it _ have no idea where it has come from. i reckon it must have come from early— i reckon it must have come from early childhood. i was very poor in school. _ early childhood. i was very poor in school. i_ early childhood. i was very poor in school. i was _ early childhood. i was very poor in school, i was the class clown, i realised — school, i was the class clown, i realised if— school, i was the class clown, i realised if i_ school, i was the class clown, i realised if i could make people laugh— realised if i could make people laugh i— realised if i could make people laugh i could make them like me. if i can laugh i could make them like me. if i can make — laugh i could make them like me. if i can make them like me, they could maybe _ i can make them like me, they could maybe love — i can make them like me, they could maybe love me. now in the corporate world. _ maybe love me. now in the corporate world. we _ maybe love me. now in the corporate world, i've used it to my benefit to close _ world, i've used it to my benefit to close large — world, i've used it to my benefit to close large business deals in the telecoms — close large business deals in the telecoms industry. it put me in good stead _ telecoms industry. it put me in good stead for— telecoms industry. it put me in good stead for a _ telecoms industry. it put me in good stead for a lie. but telecoms industry. it put me in good stead for a lie.— stead for a lie. but he also said ou stead for a lie. but he also said you were _ stead for a lie. but he also said you were cruel, _ stead for a lie. but he also said you were cruel, as _ stead for a lie. but he also said you were cruel, as well. - stead for a lie. but he also said you were cruel, as well. this i stead for a lie. but he also said you were cruel, as well. this is| stead for a lie. but he also said i you were cruel, as well. this is the thin , you were cruel, as well. this is the thing. you — you were cruel, as well. this is the thing. you are _ you were cruel, as well. this is the thing. you are put _ you were cruel, as well. this is the thing, you are put into _ you were cruel, as well. this is the thing, you are put into an - thing, you are put into an environment where the rules of your reality— environment where the rules of your reality are _ environment where the rules of your reality are unlike the normal world. you can _ reality are unlike the normal world. you can live. — reality are unlike the normal world. you can live, you can manipulate, you can _ you can live, you can manipulate, you can deceive, do whatever you want. _ you can deceive, do whatever you want. that — you can deceive, do whatever you want. that is well within the game. so my— want. that is well within the game. so my perspective is, if i'm given that. _

so my perspective is, if i'm given that. i_ so my perspective is, if i'm given that. iwill— so my perspective is, if i'm given that, i will take so my perspective is, if i'm given that, iwill take it so my perspective is, if i'm given that, i will take it to the absolute line. _ that, i will take it to the absolute line. so _ that, i will take it to the absolute line. . that, i will take it to the absolute line, , . that, i will take it to the absolute line. , . ., line. so it is cruel within a format. — line. so it is cruel within a format, cruel— line. so it is cruel within a format, cruel within i line. so it is cruel within a format, cruel within a i line. so it is cruel within a i format, cruel within a game as opposed to authentically cruel? absolutely right. at the start, i was getting here is a sociopath, he is this. _ was getting here is a sociopath, he is this. he — was getting here is a sociopath, he is this. he is— was getting here is a sociopath, he is this, he is that. but i know the line. _ is this, he is that. but i know the line. i_ is this, he is that. but i know the line. i know— is this, he is that. but i know the line, i know the limit, i know the rules. _ line, i know the limit, i know the rules. so— line, i know the limit, i know the rules. so i— line, i know the limit, i know the rules, so i won't use them to my ability. _ rules, so i won't use them to my ability. in — rules, so i won't use them to my ability. in the outside world, you cannot— ability. in the outside world, you cannot do— ability. in the outside world, you cannot do that. did ability. in the outside world, you cannot do that.— ability. in the outside world, you cannot do that. did you go into this show with an _ cannot do that. did you go into this show with an instinct _ cannot do that. did you go into this show with an instinct that - cannot do that. did you go into this show with an instinct that your i show with an instinct that your character was well suited to it, or did you learn stuff about yourself? it is funny, you have such amazing support— it is funny, you have such amazing support behind the scenes from psychologists and wealthy people to make sure you're mentally in the right— make sure you're mentally in the right place. — make sure you're mentally in the right place. 0ne make sure you're mentally in the right place. one of the questions is, right place. one of the questions is. did _ right place. one of the questions is. did you — right place. one of the questions is, did you learn anything about i5, did you learn anything about yourself? — i5, did you learn anything about yourself? i_ i5, did you learn anything about yourself? i did not learn anything about— yourself? i did not learn anything about myself and when i was in there. — about myself and when i was in there. i— about myself and when i was in there. i know that sounds crazy to say. however, i have never tested my 5ay. however, i have never tested my ability— say. however, i have never tested my ability in _ say. however, i have never tested my ability in such — say. however, i have never tested my ability in such an extreme manner. in a ability in such an extreme manner. in a normal— ability in such an extreme manner. in a normal world, you cannot do that because you have to be nice

person. — that because you have to be nice erson. ., , ., ., ., person. you see that almost with a reluctant shrug. _ person. you see that almost with a reluctant shrug. you _ person. you see that almost with a reluctant shrug. you have - person. you see that almost with a reluctant shrug. you have to i person. you see that almost with a reluctant shrug. you have to be i person. you see that almost with a reluctant shrug. you have to be a l reluctant shrug. you have to be a nice person. _ reluctant shrug. you have to be a nice person. i— reluctant shrug. you have to be a nice person, i wish _ reluctant shrug. you have to be a nice person, i wish you _ reluctant shrug. you have to be a nice person, i wish you could i reluctant shrug. you have to be a nice person, i wish you could not| nice person, iwish you could not expect— nice person, i wish you could not expect there is a line you have to tool if _ expect there is a line you have to tool if you — expect there is a line you have to tool if you want to be successful. you have — tool if you want to be successful. you have to _ tool if you want to be successful. you have to be nice and respectful and all_ you have to be nice and respectful and all that— you have to be nice and respectful and all that type of stuff. even in the pm _ and all that type of stuff. even in the pm tos at certain points, i bet they want— the pm tos at certain points, i bet they want to rip each other apart, but there — they want to rip each other apart, but there are lines and rules. | they want to rip each other apart, but there are lines and rules. i am a terrible liar— but there are lines and rules. i am a terrible liar - _ but there are lines and rules. i am a terrible liar - or— but there are lines and rules. i am a terrible liar - or am _ but there are lines and rules. i am a terrible liar - or am i _ but there are lines and rules. i—n a terrible liar — or am i expected but in yourfamous a terrible liar — or am i expected but in your famous episode, the round table started with claudia saying, we are now going to do something different. one by one, look around this table at your fellow contestants, look them in the i and say, i am a faithful, with the knowledge that not all of them are. you did that completely amazingly, not even a flicker of doubt. how do you do that? in not even a flicker of doubt. how do you do that?— you do that? in my brain, i was a faithful at — you do that? in my brain, i was a faithful at that _ you do that? in my brain, i was a faithful at that point. _ you do that? in my brain, i was a faithful at that point. i _ you do that? in my brain, i was a faithful at that point. i think - you do that? in my brain, i was a faithful at that point. i think i - faithful at that point. i think i could — faithful at that point. i think i could pass a polygraph saying i was a faithful— could pass a polygraph saying i was a faithful at that point. i think harry— a faithful at that point. i think harry is— a faithful at that point. i think harry is quite similar, who is the

other— harry is quite similar, who is the other guy— harry is quite similar, who is the other guy that i bonded with. in that environment, in the rules of the game, — that environment, in the rules of the game, i_ that environment, in the rules of the game, i was a faithful at that point _ the game, i was a faithful at that point i_ the game, i was a faithful at that point. i believe i could pass a polygraph. what is amazing about the actual— polygraph. what is amazing about the actual as _ polygraph. what is amazing about the actual as the faithfuls, towards my departure — actual as the faithfuls, towards my departure and now, started looking more _ departure and now, started looking more dodgy and more like traitors than the _ more dodgy and more like traitors than the traitors did because of that pressure, because of that stress — that pressure, because of that stress. every night could be my last night _ stress. every night could be my last night but— stress. every night could be my last night. but the traitors, we had no stress _ night. but the traitors, we had no stress we — night. but the traitors, we had no stress. we just have do not get caught — stress. we just have do not get caught. and we were very good at not getting _ caught. and we were very good at not getting caught. in this season, traitors— getting caught. in this season, traitors betrayals have been the foundation layer of how traitors have _ foundation layer of how traitors have been found. a traitor has gone for a _ have been found. a traitor has gone for a traitor — have been found. a traitor has gone for a traitor. it have been found. a traitor has gone for a traitor-— for a traitor. it is very good for ou to for a traitor. it is very good for you to come — for a traitor. it is very good for you to come from _ for a traitor. it is very good for you to come from your- for a traitor. it is very good for you to come from your very - for a traitor. it is very good forj you to come from your very big budget show to our no budget show. so we can milk it for all it is worth, look down that camera, convince them, say i am a faithful. i am a faithful. i had a big smirk as well! — i am a faithful. i had a big smirk as well! lt— i am a faithful. i had a big smirk as well! , ., , ., .,

as well! it is old news. thanks for cominu as well! it is old news. thanks for coming in — as well! it is old news. thanks for coming in and _ as well! it is old news. thanks for coming in and thanks _ as well! it is old news. thanks for coming in and thanks for- coming in and thanks for entertaining us. ihla coming in and thanks for entertaining us. coming in and thanks for entertainin: us. ., , ., �* entertaining us. no problem. you'll mooki entertaining us. no problem. you'll mook i think— entertaining us. no problem. you'll mook i think i _ entertaining us. no problem. you'll mook i think i will— entertaining us. no problem. you'll mook i think i will have _ entertaining us. no problem. you'll mook i think i will have to - entertaining us. no problem. you'll mook i think i will have to go - entertaining us. no problem. you'll mook i think i will have to go on - mook i think i will have to go on the iplayer~ _ mook i think i will have to go on the iplayer. have i sold it to you? watch _ the iplayer. have i sold it to you? watch season one first. it is the iplayer. have i sold it to you? watch season one first.— watch season one first. it is the endurina watch season one first. it is the enduring power— watch season one first. it is the enduring power of _ watch season one first. it is the enduring power of character - watch season one first. it is the i enduring power of character thing, thatis enduring power of character thing, that is the thing that is kicking around in my head after this conversation.— around in my head after this conversation. , . ., , conversation. newscast will endure because there _ conversation. newscast will endure because there will _ conversation. newscast will endure because there will be _ conversation. newscast will endure because there will be another - because there will be another episode on bbc sounds very soon. thank you for listening and watching to this one. goodbye. hello. temperatures have been a little bit higher today, but we have seen more cloud around, particularly across more western parts of the uk. a lot of the cloud is still quite thin. high cloud, mind you. and if you have a look at the satellite picture, you can see all that cloud that's

been coming in from the atlantic to the south of our weather front that's been hanging around in the north and northwest of scotland, bringing some outbreaks of rain. but through the night, as we see a southerly wind picking up, we're going to blow that rain hand out of the way. it still could be quite cloudy in northern ireland and scotland, but dampness in the air now and again, rather more variable cloud across england and wales. and last night it got to minus three at exeter airport. lowest temperatures will be across eastern parts of england where we have clearer skies. there could be a touch of ground frost first thing on sunday morning. but with that wind picking up on sunday, we should see temperatures continuing to rise and most places will have a dry day again. some sunshine at times, a bit more cloud in the south west of england, maybe moving into the midlands and ahead of our rain band approaching northern ireland and heading into the northwest of scotland. it's going to be windy with some gates in the northwest, some quite lively winds developing through the irish sea as well. but it is a southerly wind and that's why temperatures are continuing to rise. it's going to be a milder day on sunday, could make iii degrees

in north wales and the moray firth. now those southerly winds are coming from a long way south and they could actually pick up some saharan dust which will get blown in towards the uk just ahead of that weather front there, which will bring some wet weather and we've got a bit more rain pushing towards england and wales could turn quite heavy rain over the hills of wales, across northern england and in the southern uplands. we're likely to find some snow falling as things get colder in scotland and northern ireland. but for the midlands, many parts of eastern england it may well be dry and we're in milder air here. so temperatures are likely to reach 1a or 15 degrees. that milder air, though, will get pushed away overnight as these weather fronts move their way eastwards, could bring some snow to other higher parts of eastern scotland before that, low pressure is out of the way and all the wet weather is out of the way. leaving cloud for england and wales, sunshine across scotland and northern ireland. that'll push a bit further south through the day. it will introduce cooler air, mind you. so we've got eight degrees in glasgow.

could make 12 degrees in the southeast. live from london. this is bbc news. the uk joins the list of countries suspending funding for the un agency for palestinian refugees — after israel accuses some of its staff of being involved in the 7th of october attacks. a former spokesperson has defended the agency. let us not lose sight of the fact that even though there may be some bad apples, there are thousands and thousands of workers who are committed absolutely and robustly

to their humanitarian mandate. a fire is extinguished on a british—linked oil tanker hit by a houthi missile off the coast of yemen. the us is urging china to help rein in iran's support for the houthi attacks. and donald trump says he'll appeal against a court order to pay $83 million in damages to a woman he defamed. hello — i'm rajini vaidyanathan. welcome to this hour. the uk hasjoined the us, australia, italy, finland and canada in suspending funding to the un relief and works agency for palestine refugees — also known as unrwa. israel has accused some unrwa staff of being involved in the 7th of october attacks, in which hamas killed about 1,200 people. its foreign minister has called for it to be replaced with "agencies

dedicated to genuine peace and development".