to take in bird feeders and the like. the hope being, if he is hungry, he mightjust head for home. ian mclnnis, bbc news, in kincraig. time for a look at the weather, here's darren bett. thank you. i start with this amazing picture from a weather watcher taken in argyll and bute. beautiful colours, beautiful sunset earlier on in north—western scotland and northern ireland because we have this thin, medium and high cloud. other parts of the uk have had far too much low cloud. as you can see, we have had some rain falling, a couple of inches in snowdonia. still rain falling couple of inches in snowdonia. still rainfalling in couple of inches in snowdonia. still rain falling in the southern uplands as well but this wet weather will get taken away out into the north sea so it dries up a bit overnight, we keep cloud for england and wales, giving the temperature is up, but clearer skies developing in scotland and northern ireland. the promise

tomorrow some sunshine. a cloudy start president biden is under growing political pressure to take action against iran. what are his options? we'll talk to a former obama administration foreign affairs specialist and one from the trump administration too. we're waiting on news about the possible restoration of power sharing in northern ireland. we are expecting to hear from the dup's sirjeffrey donaldson making a statement imminently, we will bring you the details.

one of the promises of brexit was cheaper food. lots of countries trade around the world on wt trade basis and we can prosper on that. the day after tomorrow post—brexit checks will come in on food being imported from the eu that will push the price of some produce up. ben will explain all. at the end of the month when the post office scandal imprinted itself on the national conscience we bring together four people who've suffered injustice and fought to overturn it. we'll talk live to a mum whose two daughters sarah and vicki died at hillsboro, a man who lost his uncle in the grenfell tower fire, a woman who was told she was an illegal immigrant after her mum had brought her to the uk as a member of the windrush generaton and a former subpostmaster wrongly accused by the post office of theft. they met for the first time evening — they have much in common. hear their conversation in half an hour. good evening.

we'll bring new developments from northern ireland shortly, but first, events in the middle east. "we are not looking for a war with iran." the words tonight of president biden�*s national security council spokesmanjohn kirby when asked by journalits what action the president will take after three american troops injordan were killed and dozens injured yesterday, an attack the us says was carried out by iran—backed militia. iran for its part denies direct involvement. whatever mr biden decides could dictate whether the volatility we see stretching from lebanon to yemen escalates. since hamas s attacks in israel in october, iran—backed groups have fired drones and rockets at american outposts across the middle east hundreds of times. what happened yesterday was the first time us troops have been killed by enemy fire in the middle east after the hamas attacks of october 7th. our international correspondent joe inwood is here.

how dangerous is this? how could this escalate? _ how dangerous is this? how could this escalate? it _ how dangerous is this? how could this escalate? it is _ how dangerous is this? how could this escalate? it is certainly - how dangerous is this? how could this escalate? it is certainly an - this escalate? it is certainly an escalation but it isn't the first time in american forces have come underfire by these time in american forces have come under fire by these groups since october. they called themselves the islamic resistance in iraq and they have attacked us bases around 150 times according to their numbers. also the americans fired back and just a few days ago there was a strike on baghdad that the prime minister of iraq said it was escalate array. so there have been these tit—for—tat attacks. what is different today was that three service people died, americans, and more than a0 were injured. this is because they got through the defences of tower 22. the iranians for their part have said it was nothing to do with them and they cannot control these groups, but they don't want to see escalation in they don't want to see escalation in the region. they don't want to see escalation in the reuion. �* ,, �* , ., . the region. translation: the islamic re-ubfic the region. translation: the islamic re - ublic of the region. translation: the islamic republic of iran _ the region. translation: the islamic republic of iran does _ the region. translation: the islamic republic of iran does not _ the region. translation: the islamic republic of iran does not welcome - republic of iran does not welcome the expansion of conflict in the

region — the expansion of conflict in the region it — the expansion of conflict in the region. it does not interfere in the decisions — region. it does not interfere in the decisions of — region. it does not interfere in the decisions of the resistance groups on how— decisions of the resistance groups on how to — decisions of the resistance groups on how to support the palestinian nation _ on how to support the palestinian nation or— on how to support the palestinian nation or defend themselves and their_ nation or defend themselves and their people against any aggression and occupation. so their people against any aggression and occupation.— and occupation. so how credible is that? notvery- — and occupation. so how credible is that? not very. most _ and occupation. so how credible is that? not very. most people - and occupation. so how credible is| that? not very. most people accept these grouns _ that? not very. most people accept these grouns are — that? not very. most people accept these groups are funded _ that? not very. most people accept these groups are funded by - that? not very. most people accept these groups are funded by an - that? not very. most people accept these groups are funded by an to i that? not very. most people accept| these groups are funded by an to an extent controlled by the iranians. they are part of what is known as the axis of resistance, groups across the region, including the houthi is who are firing into the red sea and hamas in gaza, who are all aligned with iran. what they all have in common is a desire to see the americans out of the region. the irony is these attacks yesterday make that less likely. as you said before, there are calls in america among hardliners in the republican party for attacks in iran. the white house has ruled that out. they say they will strike back and there are a range of options. listening to

john kirby, a leading spokesman for the americans, he says they don't want to see escalation either. yet he was also keen to point out that this will not derail the sensitive talks taking place at the moment, try to negotiate hostage releases in gaza and some sort of ceasefire. there is no reason that whatever a response _ there is no reason that whatever a response is, — there is no reason that whatever a response is, there is no reason for that you _ response is, there is no reason for that you have an impact on the negotiations to get the hostages are reieased~ _ negotiations to get the hostages are released. as i said last week and can say— released. as i said last week and can say today, those discussions are ongoing _ can say today, those discussions are ongoing and — can say today, those discussions are ongoing and we believe they have been _ ongoing and we believe they have been constructive and are moving in a good _ been constructive and are moving in a good direction. i don't want to sound _ a good direction. i don't want to sound sanguine, there is a lot of work— sound sanguine, there is a lot of work left — sound sanguine, there is a lot of work left to— sound sanguine, there is a lot of work left to be done and we don't have _ work left to be done and we don't have an _ work left to be done and we don't have an imminent deal, but based on the discussions we have had over the weekend _ the discussions we have had over the weekend and in recent days we feel it is moving — weekend and in recent days we feel it is moving in a good direction. he it is moving in a good direction. sounded still it is moving in a good direction. he: sounded still relatively optimistic about the hostage deal.— sounded still relatively optimistic about the hostage deal. these are talks taking _ about the hostage deal. these are talks taking place _ about the hostage deal. these are talks taking place in _ about the hostage deal. these are talks taking place in paris - about the hostage deal. these are talks taking place in paris at - about the hostage deal. these are talks taking place in paris at the l talks taking place in paris at the moment between the head of the cia, the head of mossad and the qatari

prime minister. there are positive signs coming out, but there are big stumbling blocks in terms of negotiating a ceasefire. hamas say they want a permanent ceasefire and they want a permanent ceasefire and the israelis say it is a red line and they will only get something temporary. and of course the release of the hostages. there was a deal a few months ago for a week or so that so many hostages are released. that was a ratio of maybe ten to one, palestinians release the other way. this time the number will be far higher and there will be very difficult discussions for the israelis. on the one side you have the far right members of the government and on the other side of the hostage families unstuck in the middle of all of this are people in gaza, more than 25,000 killed or injured. gaza, more than 25,000 killed or in'ured. . ~' ,, let's speak to two sides of the political debate. mara rudman, former deputy special envoy for middle east peace in the state department under president obama, and victoria coates, former deputy u.s national security advisor for middle east and north african affairs in the trump administration.

thank you both for talking to us. i want to ask you both at the same question to begin with. how much of a moment ofjeopardy do you think this is? it a moment of 'eopardy do you think this is? , . , a moment of 'eopardy do you think this is? , ., , ., ., , ., this is? it is a very dangerous and unsettled moment _ this is? it is a very dangerous and unsettled moment and _ this is? it is a very dangerous and unsettled moment and all- this is? it is a very dangerous and i unsettled moment and all americans can agree on that. any time we move this way is a major blow to the country. i think the question is what we do now? we have been hearing for the last months that there would be serious repercussions if americans were killed and obviously we are not in the room for those decisions being made right now but my recommendation is a needs to be a very strong reaction and it makes it clear that the biden administration are serious. i clear that the biden administration are serious-— are serious. i will come back to what that _ are serious. i will come back to what that strong _ are serious. i will come back to what that strong action - are serious. i will come back to what that strong action might l what that strong action might involve. how much of a moment of danger do you think this is? i involve. how much of a moment of danger do you think this is?- danger do you think this is? i think in aeneral danger do you think this is? i think in general the _ danger do you think this is? i think in general the region _ danger do you think this is? i think in general the region is _ danger do you think this is? i think in general the region is a _ danger do you think this is? i thinkj in general the region is a tinderbox and the _ in general the region is a tinderbox and the world is at the flashpoint, it is a _

and the world is at the flashpoint, it is a dangerous time. i have the same _ it is a dangerous time. i have the same joh— it is a dangerous time. i have the same job that victoria had in the present— same job that victoria had in the present administration and so in addition — present administration and so in addition to my work as a middle east peace _ addition to my work as a middle east peace envoy i got a look at the world — peace envoy i got a look at the world as — peace envoy i got a look at the world as a _ peace envoy i got a look at the world as a whole and i tried to make sure that _ world as a whole and i tried to make sure that at — world as a whole and i tried to make sure that at this point iran knows there is— sure that at this point iran knows there is a — sure that at this point iran knows there is a significant problem and issue _ there is a significant problem and issue with — there is a significant problem and issue with its funding and support for these — issue with its funding and support for these groups that are striking at the _ for these groups that are striking at the united states, more than 150, and at _ at the united states, more than 150, and at others in the region. and you have _ and at others in the region. and you have to _ and at others in the region. and you have to do _ and at others in the region. and you have to do that without opening up another— have to do that without opening up another front to a war when the united — another front to a war when the united states is already actively involved — united states is already actively involved in two different conflicts and a _ involved in two different conflicts and a lot — involved in two different conflicts and a lot of bad actors in the world are eager— and a lot of bad actors in the world are eager to— and a lot of bad actors in the world are eager to see the united states further— are eager to see the united states further pulled in two more challenges.— further pulled in two more challenues. . ., ., ., ,, challenges. victoria, you talked about strong — challenges. victoria, you talked about strong action _ challenges. victoria, you talked about strong action and - challenges. victoria, you talked about strong action and donald | challenges. victoria, you talked - about strong action and donald trump is already accusing joe biden of leading the us into world war ii

three. what strong action do you mean? i three. what strong action do you mean? ., ., . ,, ., ., mean? i would go back to two presidents- — mean? i would go back to two presidents. i— mean? i would go back to two presidents. i would _ mean? i would go back to two presidents. i would look- mean? i would go back to two presidents. i would look at - mean? i would go back to two l presidents. i would look at what presidents. i would look at what president reagan did, which was an operation in the 1980s. i would look at what president trump did in 2020 with the liberation of slimani. there were strong actions but they did not result in a lot of conflict. that is what we all agree we want to avoid, given the obligations on ukraine and potential trouble in the pacific. the united states has to be very mindful that drifting into some kind of low intensity or, god forbid, high intensity conflict in the middle east would be really draining right now. i think there two presidents show it can be done. —— presidents. d0 two presidents show it can be done. -- presidents-— two presidents show it can be done. -- presidents. do you agree? i agree that action — -- presidents. do you agree? i agree that action can _ -- presidents. do you agree? i agree that action can be _ -- presidents. do you agree? i agree that action can be taken _ -- presidents. do you agree? i agree that action can be taken and - -- presidents. do you agree? i agree that action can be taken and as - -- presidents. do you agree? i agree that action can be taken and as john. that action can be taken and asjohn kirby— that action can be taken and asjohn kirby indicated in his statements he is considering a variety of

different actions. i would question victoria's — different actions. i would question victoria's reference because each time, _ victoria's reference because each time, at — victoria's reference because each time, at each point in time there are different types of issues going on that— are different types of issues going on that the president of the united states— on that the president of the united states has to grapple with. the strike _ states has to grapple with. the strike on— states has to grapple with. the strike on slimani that she references by president trump did not occur— references by president trump did not occur while there were two as major— not occur while there were two as major conflicts raising —— raging and you — major conflicts raising —— raging and you had a us congress that was not providing the funding needed for the united states to continue to help the — the united states to continue to help the support the action that was so critical, _ help the support the action that was so critical, as is the case here with— so critical, as is the case here with ukraine and israel against hamas — with ukraine and israel against hamas. . ., ., ., ., hamas. victoria, if the war in gaza was stopped. _ hamas. victoria, if the war in gaza was stopped. if — hamas. victoria, if the war in gaza was stopped, if there _ hamas. victoria, if the war in gaza was stopped, if there was - hamas. victoria, if the war in gaza was stopped, if there was some i was stopped, if there was some hostage aid agreement, which led to a pause and eventually led to a ceasefire, that would de—escalate everything, wouldn't it? unfortunately i don't think it would de—escalate everything and unfortunately the hostages include

american citizens as well as israeli hostages and it is a horrible clout on the situation. but i believe unless hamas is taught it's a lesson we unfortunately will be right back here again in the future. if they think there is still a possibility that they will be effectively waging war against israel. israel has to do what it has to do to get that situation under control. if we can get the hostages out there that may make that job get the hostages out there that may make thatjob a little bit more tenable. d0 make that “oh a little bit more tenable. , ., ,, ., make that “oh a little bit more tenable. i. ,, ., , tenable. do you think that is realistic. _ tenable. do you think that is realistic, israel— tenable. do you think that is realistic, israel continues . tenable. do you think that is realistic, israel continues to | tenable. do you think that is i realistic, israel continues to try to achieve its mission of eliminating hamas? but yet somehow the hostages are released and things calm down a little? i the hostages are released and things calm down a little?— calm down a little? i think you have not to calm down a little? i think you have got to pursue _ calm down a little? i think you have got to pursue two — calm down a little? i think you have got to pursue two different - got to pursue two different conflicts at the same time. i was talking _ conflicts at the same time. i was talking to — conflicts at the same time. i was talking to a — conflicts at the same time. i was talking to a former israeli chief of staff who —

talking to a former israeli chief of staff who has called for prioritising the hostage release, which _ prioritising the hostage release, which does not mean not continuing to pursue _ which does not mean not continuing to pursue those who perpetrated the horrendous october the 7th actions and who, _ horrendous october the 7th actions and who, as — horrendous october the 7th actions and who, as victoria pointed out, once _ and who, as victoria pointed out, once the — and who, as victoria pointed out, once the destruction of the israeli state _ once the destruction of the israeli state. they have not hidden that goal~ _ state. they have not hidden that goal~ but — state. they have not hidden that goal. but there are a variety of ways _ goal. but there are a variety of ways of— goal. but there are a variety of ways of pursuing that. the priority now, _ ways of pursuing that. the priority now. i_ ways of pursuing that. the priority now, i agree with victoria, has to be on _ now, i agree with victoria, has to be on hostage release. i think calling — be on hostage release. i think calling back the example of how israel— calling back the example of how israel went after the perpetrators of the _ israel went after the perpetrators of the horrendous massacre at the munich— of the horrendous massacre at the munich olympics is evidence of the ability— munich olympics is evidence of the ability to— munich olympics is evidence of the ability to continue to pursue the most _ ability to continue to pursue the most significant targets of terrorist activity even as you prioritise _ terrorist activity even as you prioritise in the near term something like the hostage release. thank— something like the hostage release. thank you _ something like the hostage release. thank you both very much for your time this evening. it was conservative brexiteerjacob rees mogg who promised cheaper food after brexit. and former prime minister boris johnson who said there wouldd be no extra checks on trade.

it appears both were wrong. the day after tomorrow post—brexit checks begin to be brought in on certain produce coming to the country from the eu, checks that have been delayed five times, and they will push up the domestic price of imported food. such extra checks and charges, a move away from years of frictionless free—flowing trade, became inevitable because of the shape of the brexit deal agreed with the eu in 2020. here's ben. from wednesday we will feel one of the delayed economic effects of brexit as import paperwork on animal and plant origin products coming into great britain from the european union is finally required after years of delays by our government. and physical inspections will start from april. why does it matter and what does it mean for you? first, let's examine why the checks are being imposed. the government cites bio—security threats, pests and diseases, if we continue to allow in unchecked produce. the impact of an outbreak of disease

like foot and mouth, like the one 23 years ago, could be devastating for uk farmers. plus, given the eu imposed checks on uk produce going the other way when the brexit transition ended in 2021, not imposing the checks undermines the competitiveness of uk farmers and producers relative to their eu counterparts. yet uk food manufacturers are warning that the new checks run the risk of shortages on things like bacon which we import a lot from countries like denmark. but why? essentially because european suppliers are not ready to deal with this new bureaucracy they will have to navigate to export to britain. the new system requires vets in the eu to sign off produce bound for the uk and there are concerns about whether there is enough of them. the worry from our members are firstly that there may be a drop off in particularly small eu

exporters for products from italy because of the additional costs that are hitting those businesses. it might mean that our members have less products to bring in to the uk, so that's a big risk. and also the main thing for our members, so for hauliers, is the 30th of april and the disruption that may occur at the border when the physical checks of these products come into force. and that new paperwork imposes costs. the government says the charge for every consignment could be between £20 to £a3. and bear in mind there can be multiple consignments on each lorry. the total estimated cost of the new regime of checks, when it is fully rolled out, is projected by the government to be around £330 million a year. now, in the context of annual uk goods imports from the eu of £260 billion that might seem relatively modest, but make no mistake,

given the way our food system works, any increase in costs will push up domestic uk prices of imported food. at this point it is worth going back to what the former pm borisjohnson said on the 21st of december 2020 after he signed that last—minute free trade deal with the eu. there will be no palisade of tariffs on january the 1st and there will be no nontariff barriers to trade. so he was right there would be no tariffs, taxes on imports, but wrong about the nontariff barriers. that is precisely what these new import checks are. can anything be done to mitigate the impact? industry says there are technical things the government needs to do, such as aligning the list of permitted imports to include something called liquid egg, which sounds obscure but it is very important in uk food processing. they want more administrative support for eu exporters and uk importers and more investment in the new uk border inspection posts to prevent bottlenecks.

yet fundamentally we have to recognise that there is an inescapable cost involving putting up barriers with our trading partners, including nontariff barriers where they didn't exist before. the post office, hillsborough, grenfell and windrush. tragedies, scandals which led to people having to fight for justice. tonight we're bringing togetherjenni hicks, whose two daughters, sarah aged 19 and vicki aged 15, died at hillsborough. karim mussilhy whose uncle hesham rahman died in the grenfell tower fire in 2017. glenda caesar was told she was an illegal immigrant after coming to the uk in 1961 as a baby with her mum as part of the windrush generation. and tracey merritt who was wrongly accused by the post office of theft and sacked by them in 2009.

play stopped after six minutes as overcrowding in the stands at hillsborough stadium led to fans being crushed. a major incident is declared as a huge fire engulfs a tower block in west london. the poorest housing in one of the richest boroughs in the country. # london is the place for me...#. our state's callousness towards windrush generation britons seems boundless. they set up this task force to create what they called a hostile environment for anybody who didn't have exactly the right documents. i haven't got that money and i don't know where it's gone. this terrible scandal has been going on for more than 20 years but this prime—time drama has now put it firmly in the national spotlight. jenni hicks, karim mussilhy, glenda caesar and tracey merrit, thank you very much for being with us on newsnight. you have never met before until this evening, and there are lots of things that you have in common. and

also some very, very different experiences, and i wonder if i could divide our conversation up if you like into different areas. first of all, when you knew you were in the middle of an injustice, when you realised it was going to take a long time to try to overturn the injustice, and then finally i want to ask you how you want it to end. karim, let me start with you. when did it dawn on you that you were facing an injustice? first did it dawn on you that you were facing an injustice?— facing an in'ustice? first of all i 'ust want facing an injustice? first of all i just want to _ facing an injustice? first of all i just want to say _ facing an injustice? first of all i just want to say thanks - facing an injustice? first of all i just want to say thanks for - facing an injustice? first of all i l just want to say thanks for having me. it isjust just want to say thanks for having me. it is just crazy that we are all around the table talking about our different experiences, and they are different experiences, and they are different experiences, and they are different experiences, but so many similarities in what we have gone through and the injustice and the suffering. for me, for grenfell, it took a while. i lived in my own sort of bubble. i worked in the city, i believed everything i heard from the government and the powers that be, and it wasn't until probably a

couple of weeks not seeing any form of authority in the streets apart from police, who weren't treating the family is very well when they were looking for their loved ones, and the response from the government. i started to realise that something really insidious was happening here. this wasn't a freak accident in one of the richest boroughs in europe. something had gone terribly wrong, and as it went on, i started to realise that this was a lot bigger than what had just happened at grenfell. jennl happened at grenfell. jenni, what about? when did you realise you were in the middle of an injustice? realise you were in the middle of an in'ustice? ~ , ,., ., injustice? with the hillsborough families, quite _ injustice? with the hillsborough families, quite quickly, - injustice? with the hillsborough families, quite quickly, really. l injustice? with the hillsborough l families, quite quickly, really. we weren't— families, quite quickly, really. we weren't treated very well on the night _ weren't treated very well on the night when we identified our daughters in the gymnasium at the football— daughters in the gymnasium at the football ground. it was horrendous. we were _ football ground. it was horrendous. we were treated like criminals and asked _ we were treated like criminals and asked to _ we were treated like criminals and asked to make statements that night afteriust_ asked to make statements that night afterjust viewing our daughters in body bags, which... how are you

supposed — body bags, which... how are you supposed to make a statement? | supposed to make a statement? i don't know. neither— supposed to make a statement? i don't know. neither did _ supposed to make a statement? i don't know. neither did i. - supposed to make a statement? i don't know. neither did i. we - supposed to make a statement? i l don't know. neither did i. we didn't have lawyers _ don't know. neither did i. we didn't have lawyers with _ don't know. neither did i. we didn't have lawyers with us _ don't know. neither did i. we didn't have lawyers with us or— don't know. neither did i. we didn't have lawyers with us or anything. i have lawyers with us or anything. and then — have lawyers with us or anything. and then a — have lawyers with us or anything. and then a few days later there was the hideous article in the sun. when the hideous article in the sun. when it accused liverpool _ the hideous article in the sun. hagen it accused liverpool supporters the hideous article in the sun. brim it accused liverpool supporters have essentially urinating on dead bodies, pick pocketing the dead. and we can see your beautiful daughters here, sarraged we can see your beautiful daughters here, sarr aged 19 and vicky aged 15. , , g here, sarr aged 19 and vicky aged 15. so, pretty quickly, you didn't really want _ 15. so, pretty quickly, you didn't really want to _ 15. so, pretty quickly, you didn't really want to believe _ 15. so, pretty quickly, you didn't really want to believe that - 15. so, pretty quickly, you didn't really want to believe that the l really want to believe that the police — really want to believe that the police were covering this up, because _ police were covering this up, because you know, i was brought up to respect— because you know, i was brought up to respect the police, as were my children — to respect the police, as were my children i— to respect the police, as were my children. i was in this bubble, and suddenly— children. i was in this bubble, and suddenly you are thrown into the nridst— suddenly you are thrown into the midst of— suddenly you are thrown into the midst of all of this, and particularly, as i say, would you

believe — particularly, as i say, would you believe it. — particularly, as i say, would you believe it, 35 years down the line, what _ believe it, 35 years down the line, what the _ believe it, 35 years down the line, what the fans were accused of in the sun, wrongly accused, i have to say, because _ sun, wrongly accused, i have to say, because they — sun, wrongly accused, i have to say, because they have been totally exonerated.— because they have been totally exonerated. �* �* ., ., exonerated. and i'm going to come back to you. _ exonerated. and i'm going to come back to you. the — exonerated. and i'm going to come back to you, the fact _ exonerated. and i'm going to come back to you, the fact that _ exonerated. and i'm going to come i back to you, the fact that sometimes the mud sticks, doesn't it? it back to you, the fact that sometimes the mud sticks, doesn't it?— the mud sticks, doesn't it? it does. glenda, the mud sticks, doesn't it? it does. glenda. when _ the mud sticks, doesn't it? it does. glenda, when did _ the mud sticks, doesn't it? it does. glenda, when did you _ the mud sticks, doesn't it? it does. glenda, when did you know- the mud sticks, doesn't it? it does. glenda, when did you know you - the mud sticks, doesn't it? it does. l glenda, when did you know you were in the middle of an injustice? i think it was when i went to a meeting that sort of blew up, and they wanted to meet with us, the person who compiled it, the reps from the home office in a hall, and i looked around and i actually saw people who were vagrants when i was growing up, and i thought, they are in the same position as me. and once it had come out, it was like getting other calls from other people and i was like, wow. but i think what

really hit home was the friend i had known for over 30 odd years, i didn't know she was going through this, and that was when it hit home that we were in the middle of something, a proper injustice. hind. something, a proper in'ustice. and, trace , something, a proper in'ustice. and, tracey. what — something, a proper in'ustice. and, tracey, what about — something, a proper injustice. and, tracey, what about you? _ something, a proper injustice. and, tracey, what about you? you were sacked by the post office in 2009. yes, and as i said, there was no social— yes, and as i said, there was no social media, _ yes, and as i said, there was no social media, so _ yes, and as i said, there was no social media, so we _ yes, and as i said, there was no social media, so we were - yes, and as i said, there was no social media, so we were very l social media, so we were very isolated. _ social media, so we were very isolated. and _ social media, so we were very isolated, and when _ social media, so we were very isolated, and when they - social media, so we were very isolated, and when they told i social media, so we were very . isolated, and when they told us, social media, so we were very - isolated, and when they told us, you are the _ isolated, and when they told us, you are the only— isolated, and when they told us, you are the only one. _ isolated, and when they told us, you are the only one, we _ isolated, and when they told us, you are the only one, we really- isolated, and when they told us, you are the only one, we really believedl are the only one, we really believed it. i are the only one, we really believed it i don't _ are the only one, we really believed it ldon't think— are the only one, we really believed it. idon't think |_ are the only one, we really believed it. i don't think i realised _ are the only one, we really believed it. i don't think i realised until- it. i don't think i realised until alan _ it. idon't think i realised until alan bates— it. i don't think i realised until alan bates got _ it. i don't think i realised until alan bates got together - it. i don't think i realised until alan bates got together a - it. i don't think i realised untill alan bates got together a little group, — alan bates got together a little group, and _ alan bates got together a little group, and then— alan bates got together a little group, and then i— alan bates got together a little group, and then i think- alan bates got together a little group, and then i think it- alan bates got together a little group, and then i think it was. alan bates got together a little i group, and then i think it was one of the _ group, and then i think it was one of the villagers _ group, and then i think it was one of the villagers brought _ group, and then i think it was one of the villagers brought in - group, and then i think it was one of the villagers brought in this - of the villagers brought in this paper— of the villagers brought in this paper work— of the villagers brought in this paper work and _ of the villagers brought in this paper work and said, - of the villagers brought in this paper work and said, tracy, . of the villagers brought in this - paper work and said, tracy, there are others— paper work and said, tracy, there are others of— paper work and said, tracy, there are others of you _ paper work and said, tracy, there are others of you out _ paper work and said, tracy, there are others of you out there. - paper work and said, tracy, there i are others of you out there. because you are _ are others of you out there. because you are in _ are others of you out there. because you are in this— are others of you out there. because you are in this bubble, _ are others of you out there. because you are in this bubble, and - are others of you out there. because you are in this bubble, and it- are others of you out there. because you are in this bubble, and it is- you are in this bubble, and it is the post — you are in this bubble, and it is the post office, _ you are in this bubble, and it is the post office, you _ you are in this bubble, and it is the post office, you trust - you are in this bubble, and it isj the post office, you trust them you are in this bubble, and it is- the post office, you trust them and believe _ the post office, you trust them and believe everything _ the post office, you trust them and believe everything they— the post office, you trust them and believe everything they say. - the post office, you trust them and believe everything they say. and i the post office, you trust them and believe everything they say. and ai believe everything they say. and a few months — believe everything they say. and a few months down _ believe everything they say. and a few months down the _ believe everything they say. and a few months down the line, - believe everything they say. and a few months down the line, with i believe everything they say. and a few months down the line, with al few months down the line, with a little _ few months down the line, with a little group — few months down the line, with a little group in _ few months down the line, with a little group in the _ few months down the line, with a little group in the village - few months down the line, with a little group in the village hall- little group in the village hall which — little group in the village hall which people _ little group in the village hall which people have _ little group in the village hall which people have seen - little group in the village hall which people have seen on . little group in the village hall. which people have seen on the little group in the village hall- which people have seen on the drama, and then— which people have seen on the drama, and then we _ which people have seen on the drama, and then we went _ which people have seen on the drama, and then we went to _ which people have seen on the drama, and then we went to another— which people have seen on the drama, and then we went to another one - which people have seen on the drama, and then we went to another one a - and then we went to another one a few months—

and then we went to another one a few months later, _ and then we went to another one a few months later, and _ and then we went to another one a few months later, and every - and then we went to another one a few months later, and every time, | few months later, and every time, the hall— few months later, and every time, the hall got— few months later, and every time, the hall got fuller— few months later, and every time, the hall got fuller and _ few months later, and every time, the hall got fuller and fuller, - few months later, and every time, the hall got fuller and fuller, and i the hall got fuller and fuller, and that was— the hall got fuller and fuller, and that was when _ the hall got fuller and fuller, and that was when i— the hall got fuller and fuller, and that was when i think _ the hall got fuller and fuller, and that was when i think it - the hall got fuller and fuller, and that was when i think it started i that was when i think it started dawning — that was when i think it started dawning on _ that was when i think it started dawning on us _ that was when i think it started dawning on us that _ that was when i think it started dawning on us that this - that was when i think it started dawning on us that this was - that was when i think it started i dawning on us that this was huge, and we _ dawning on us that this was huge, and we were — dawning on us that this was huge, and we were in— dawning on us that this was huge, and we were in the _ dawning on us that this was huge, and we were in the middle - dawning on us that this was huge, and we were in the middle of- dawning on us that this was huge, and we were in the middle of a - and we were in the middle of a massive — and we were in the middle of a massive problem. _ and we were in the middle of a massive problem.— and we were in the middle of a massive problem. let's talk a little bit about how _ massive problem. let's talk a little bit about how it _ massive problem. let's talk a little bit about how it felt _ massive problem. let's talk a little bit about how it felt when - massive problem. let's talk a little bit about how it felt when you - bit about how it felt when you realised you were in a fight that might last a very long time. first he was a brief reminder of the battles that are still being fought. after hillsborough, anfield became the focus. universal sympathy was found for the relatives of those who died but they could not have realised then that they would spend the next 20 years calling forjustice. a frantic, partisan debate over who is to blame for the destruction of important records. no, the decision to destroy the landing cards was taken in 2009 under a labour government. the world of many subpostmasters was turned upside down. they found themselves being accused by the post office of false accounting and fraud. some went to jail. they still don't have the answers, the official answers, about what happened.

they still don't have justice, there has been no accountability and until they get that they really can't begin to heal. jennl jenni, was there a time when you have a thought, do you know what? this is going to go on for years and years and years? because you had the taylor report, then you had the inquest where the coroner ruled that we are not looking at any deaths after 315, and then you fought for decades to get that new inquest which overturned that accidental death of ruling to unlawfully killed. it is decades. it is decades. _ killed. it is decades. it is decades, we _ killed. it is decades. it is decades, we are - killed. it is decades. it is decades, we are coming | killed. it is decades. it is i decades, we are coming up killed. it is decades. it is decades, we are coming up to the 35th anniversary in april this year. and it _ 35th anniversary in april this year. and it was — 35th anniversary in april this year. and it was decades. when i think the thin- and it was decades. when i think the thing that— and it was decades. when i think the thing that we all have in common here, _ thing that we all have in common here, speaking to these lovely people. — here, speaking to these lovely people, is that it is the powerful protecting themselves. it's those in power— protecting themselves. it's those in power protecting themselves, and

people _ power protecting themselves, and people like all of us sitting here tonight— people like all of us sitting here tonight having to deal with the consequences of then protecting themselves. that is what we all have in common— themselves. that is what we all have in common here, isn't it? | themselves. that is what we all have in common here, isn't it?— in common here, isn't it? i totally auree in common here, isn't it? i totally agree with — in common here, isn't it? i totally agree with you. — in common here, isn't it? i totally agree with you, and _ in common here, isn't it? i totally agree with you, and i'm _ in common here, isn't it? i totally agree with you, and i'm a - in common here, isn't it? i totally agree with you, and i'm a strong i agree with you, and i'm a strong believer in that. i have been saying for a while that the system isn't broken, it is designed specifically this way. that is why they don't want a hillsborough law, because they know that if they do, they will be some level of accountability with these corporate entities and government officials, and we don't have that. and why? because they are protected by their friends have that. and why? because they are protected by theirfriends in government who were given contracts and givenjobs. how many lords and ladies have there been since grenfell, orsince ladies have there been since grenfell, or since any of the scandals? how many of the government ministers have been rewarded while we've suffered trying to get justice? we've suffered trying to get 'ustice? ~ . , , ' we've suffered trying to get 'ustice? ~ ., , , , i] justice? we are still suffering. i remember _ justice? we are still suffering. i

remember talking _ justice? we are still suffering. i remember talking to _ justice? we are still suffering. i remember talking to you, - justice? we are still suffering. i | remember talking to you, karim justice? we are still suffering. ii remember talking to you, karim, justice? we are still suffering. i - remember talking to you, karim, five years after gren fell, the fifth anniversary. and you actually said, i can't be having this conversation with you and another five years. i cannot do what they hillsborough people have done. because it felt then for you to achieve justice for your uncle, for all the families of those who died, it was going to take years. those who died, it was going to take ears. , ~ those who died, it was going to take ears. , . ., , ., ~ years. yes. we realised, and we knew that this wasn't _ years. yes. we realised, and we knew that this wasn't a _ years. yes. we realised, and we knew that this wasn't a sprint, _ years. yes. we realised, and we knew that this wasn't a sprint, this - years. yes. we realised, and we knew that this wasn't a sprint, this was - that this wasn't a sprint, this was always going to be a marathon, and it was after meeting yourselves at hillsborough and a lot of the families there, and one of the best bits of advice that they gave us that hit home with us straightaway was the importance of staying together. the importance of being united. being one front, one voice, leading the campaign, leading the fight. and we did that, and that is why we have grenfell united, and i

don't see this finishing in the next few years, you know? we know that the second phase of the public inquiry�*s report is coming out, and we can't do anything until that is out, and then how long does it take to present the case to the cps, and what happens then with the cps? you know, me personally, i have different personal views about the police. i don't believe that they will give us justice based police. i don't believe that they will give usjustice based on how they went about collecting evidence. you don't ask corporations or individuals after they have committed a crime or you believe them to have committed a crime to hand in any evidence themselves. as the police, are you going to take it, and that is why we learned in the public inquiry that evidence was binned. flan the public inquiry that evidence was binned. . , the public inquiry that evidence was binned. ., , ,_ the public inquiry that evidence was binned. ., , i. the public inquiry that evidence was binned. ., , ., binned. can i 'ust say, you are lucky enough— binned. can ijust say, you are lucky enough to _ binned. can ijust say, you are lucky enough to have - binned. can ijust say, you are lucky enough to have had - binned. can ijust say, you are lucky enough to have had an i binned. can ijust say, you are - lucky enough to have had an inquiry. they got— lucky enough to have had an inquiry. they got wendy williams to do a report— they got wendy williams to do a report on— they got wendy williams to do a report on this, on windrush, but it wasn't _ report on this, on windrush, but it wasn't for— report on this, on windrush, but it wasn't for us, _ report on this, on windrush, but it wasn't for us, it was more for the home _ wasn't for us, it was more for the home office, because nothing came out of— home office, because nothing came

out of that— home office, because nothing came out of that that helped the victims of the _ out of that that helped the victims of the windrush scandal, and what was put _ of the windrush scandal, and what was put in — of the windrush scandal, and what was put in place to help us got taken — was put in place to help us got taken away. was put in place to help us got taken away-— was put in place to help us got taken awa . _, ., ., , ., taken away. the recommendations from rent wendy williams, _ taken away. the recommendations from rent wendy williams, there _ taken away. the recommendations from rent wendy williams, there were - taken away. the recommendations from rent wendy williams, there were 30 - rent wendy williams, there were 30 of them, and pretty patel, home secretary at the time, said that they would recommend them, and then another home secretary, suella braverman, came in.— braverman, came in. they commissioned _ braverman, came in. they commissioned someone i braverman, came in. they| commissioned someone to braverman, came in. they - commissioned someone to come braverman, came in. they commissioned someone to come out and speak to _ commissioned someone to come out and speak to the _ commissioned someone to come out and speak to the windrush victims, and then they— speak to the windrush victims, and then they were all excited because then they were all excited because then they— then they were all excited because then they would have been fair to say, look— then they would have been fair to say, look at us and understand what we have _ say, look at us and understand what we have gone through, and then that -ot we have gone through, and then that got taken _ we have gone through, and then that got taken away from us, so it is so hurtful~ _ got taken away from us, so it is so hurtful~ we — got taken away from us, so it is so hurtful. we haven't got anyone that is willing _ hurtful. we haven't got anyone that is willing to — hurtful. we haven't got anyone that is willing to understand. we can't -et is willing to understand. we can't get legal— is willing to understand. we can't get legal aid. is willing to understand. we can't get legal aid-— get legal aid. people will say you have not get legal aid. people will say you have got compensation, - get legal aid. people will say you have got compensation, it -

get legal aid. people will say you have got compensation, it is - get legal aid. people will say you i have got compensation, it is done. the compensation is not good enough. and some _ the compensation is not good enough. and some people have not got it. and people are still suffering. we are still getting people deported, we still getting people deported, we still have people who cannot get back into the country who have been denied their citizenship as british people — denied their citizenship as british people. it is so unfair. let's talk about your experiences of what it feels like after that initial fight forjustice, when there has at least been a partial acknowledgement of the truth. first, some more recent footage related to each of your experiences. policing is also apologising for the now nearly 3a years that the families have had to wait to have their questions answered, to have justice. you could commit to memorialise grenfell by making fundamental changes in your business models by putting people ahead of profits. it's not just the wait for compensation. around 700 sub postmasters may have been wrongly convicted. jeff applied for the windrush compensation scheme and was offered £10,000.

so actually he got an interim payment but he got it two days before he died. so he didn't get to spend it. it is heartbreaking, isn't it? let me ask you my final question. how does your experience and, if it does end? jennni. does your experience and, if it does end? jennni— end? jennni. well, for me it will never end- _ end? jennni. well, for me it will never end. we _ end? jennni. well, for me it will never end. we have _ end? jennni. well, for me it will never end. we have had - end? jennni. well, for me it will never end. we have had our- end? jennni. well, for me it will. never end. we have had our truth, end? jennni. well, for me it will- never end. we have had our truth, we have had a second inquest where the correct verdict was reached. that all 97 victims were unlawfully killed, which legally means it was gross negligence, manslaughter, but we have never had any accountability. not one person in power has had to account for those 97 unlawfully killed victims.

tracey, how do you want to see the post office candle end? i tracey, how do you want to see the post office candle end?— post office candle end? i mean, it is all coming _ post office candle end? i mean, it is all coming out _ post office candle end? i mean, it is all coming out in _ post office candle end? i mean, it is all coming out in the _ post office candle end? i mean, it is all coming out in the public - is all coming out in the public enquiry _ is all coming out in the public enquiry. we are lucky enough to have a public— enquiry. we are lucky enough to have a public enquiry, but every day you look at _ a public enquiry, but every day you look at the — a public enquiry, but every day you look at the news and new scams are coming _ look at the news and new scams are coming out — look at the news and new scams are coming out from the post office. there _ coming out from the post office. there are — coming out from the post office. there are so many layers to this and everyone _ there are so many layers to this and everyone sits right at the top, but the investigators themselves, they have got— the investigators themselves, they have got a — the investigators themselves, they have got a moral compass, they could have got a moral compass, they could have done _ have got a moral compass, they could have done theirjob and they didn't. ithink— have done theirjob and they didn't. i think i_ have done theirjob and they didn't. i think i would like the post office to be _ i think i would like the post office to be stripped back and the government because someone has got to say— government because someone has got to say they— government because someone has got to say they knew about this years a-o to say they knew about this years ago and _ to say they knew about this years ago and they didn't do anything. for ago and they didn't do anything. for a drama _ ago and they didn't do anything. for a drama to — ago and they didn't do anything. for a drama to make them do something shameful, _ a drama to make them do something shameful, i'm sorry. and i know the people _ shameful, i'm sorry. and i know the people who — shameful, i'm sorry. and i know the people who made the decisions are never— people who made the decisions are never going to go to prison. how do ou sa never going to go to prison. how do you say that — never going to go to prison. how do you say that so _ never going to go to prison. how do you say that so emphatically? -

you say that so emphatically? because justice is never you say that so emphatically? becausejustice is never going to because justice is never going to -et because justice is never going to get them — because justice is never going to get them. they sit on the public enguiry— get them. they sit on the public enquiry and go, i can't remember, sorry, _ enquiry and go, i can't remember, sorry, i_ enquiry and go, i can't remember, sorry, i might have made that statement but i can't remember. they have all— statement but i can't remember. they have all got— statement but i can't remember. they have all got amnesia. they are never going _ have all got amnesia. they are never going to _ have all got amnesia. they are never going to go _ have all got amnesia. they are never going to go to prison. but i would like them — going to go to prison. but i would like them tojust going to go to prison. but i would like them to just feel and going to go to prison. but i would like them tojust feel and go through— like them tojust feel and go throughjust a fraction like them tojust feel and go through just a fraction of what we have _ through just a fraction of what we have gone — through just a fraction of what we have gone through, the humiliation, the loss— have gone through, the humiliation, the loss of— have gone through, the humiliation, the loss of reputation, just a fraction _ the loss of reputation, just a fraction of it, just to be put in our shoes— fraction of it, just to be put in our shoes for a little while. how would you _ our shoes for a little while. how would you like _ our shoes for a little while. how would you like what _ our shoes for a little while. firm would you like what happened to you and others, you told me earlier that you were still in the middle of a nightmare. i you were still in the middle of a nightmare-— you were still in the middle of a niahtmare. ., ., ., ., , ., nightmare. i have got two abroad and i have not nightmare. i have got two abroad and l have got five — nightmare. i have got two abroad and i have got five sisters _ nightmare. i have got two abroad and i have got five sisters all _ nightmare. i have got two abroad and i have got five sisters all in _ nightmare. i have got two abroad and i have got five sisters all in their- i have got five sisters all in their earty— i have got five sisters all in their early 30s— i have got five sisters all in their early 30s who were born here and have _ early 30s who were born here and have just — early 30s who were born here and have just received their british passport— have just received their british passport last year. it is showing you this — passport last year. it is showing you this is — passport last year. it is showing you this is never going to end. there — you this is never going to end. there are _ you this is never going to end. there are people still going to be coming _ there are people still going to be coming forward. we are dealing with the elderly— coming forward. we are dealing with the elderly and their artists deal

young _ the elderly and their artists deal young people who are affected —— still the _ young people who are affected —— still the young people. i am young people who are affected —— still the young people. lam hoping that we _ still the young people. lam hoping that we can come together and be united _ that we can come together and be united and — that we can come together and be united and fight this together. i united and fight this together. wanted united and fight this together. i wanted to suggest, because from hearing _ wanted to suggest, because from hearing your _ wanted to suggest, because from hearing your stories— wanted to suggest, because from hearing your stories we _ wanted to suggest, because from hearing your stories we have - wanted to suggest, because from hearing your stories we have a i hearing your stories we have a relationship _ hearing your stories we have a relationship with— hearing your stories we have a relationship with yourself- hearing your stories we have a relationship with yourself and i hearing your stories we have a - relationship with yourself and some of the _ relationship with yourself and some of the families _ relationship with yourself and some of the families at _ relationship with yourself and some of the families at hillsborough - relationship with yourself and some of the families at hillsborough andl of the families at hillsborough and for me _ of the families at hillsborough and for me learning _ of the families at hillsborough and for me learning about _ of the families at hillsborough and for me learning about all- of the families at hillsborough and for me learning about all of- of the families at hillsborough and for me learning about all of your i for me learning about all of your experiences _ for me learning about all of your experiences individually- for me learning about all of your experiences individually or - for me learning about all of your experiences individually or in - for me learning about all of your| experiences individually or in our small. _ experiences individually or in our small. little _ experiences individually or in our small, little groups _ experiences individually or in our small, little groups we _ experiences individually or in our small, little groups we can- experiences individually or in our small, little groups we can make some _ small, little groups we can make some changes _ small, little groups we can make some changes or— small, little groups we can make some changes or we _ small, little groups we can make some changes or we can - small, little groups we can make some changes or we can bring i small, little groups we can make . some changes or we can bring about some _ some changes or we can bring about some type _ some changes or we can bring about some type of— some changes or we can bring about some type of pressure. _ some changes or we can bring about some type of pressure. but - some changes or we can bring about some type of pressure. but i- some changes or we can bring about some type of pressure. but i feel. some type of pressure. but i feel like we _ some type of pressure. but i feel like we are — some type of pressure. but i feel like we are all— some type of pressure. but i feel like we are all fighting _ some type of pressure. but i feel like we are all fighting the - some type of pressure. but i feel like we are all fighting the same i like we are all fighting the same beast— like we are all fighting the same beast and — like we are all fighting the same beast and we _ like we are all fighting the same beast and we have _ like we are all fighting the same beast and we have spoken - like we are all fighting the same | beast and we have spoken about like we are all fighting the same - beast and we have spoken about how much _ beast and we have spoken about how much similarities— beast and we have spoken about how much similarities we _ beast and we have spoken about how much similarities we have _ beast and we have spoken about how much similarities we have with - beast and we have spoken about how much similarities we have with whatl much similarities we have with what we are _ much similarities we have with what we are going — much similarities we have with what we are going through. _ much similarities we have with what we are going through. so _ much similarities we have with what we are going through. so why- much similarities we have with what we are going through. so why not. we are going through. so why not unite _ we are going through. so why not unite be — we are going through. so why not unite be one _ we are going through. so why not unite, be one voice? _ we are going through. so why not unite, be one voice? bring - we are going through. so why not unite, be one voice? bring thesel unite, be one voice? bring these similarities— unite, be one voice? bring these similarities together— unite, be one voice? bring these similarities together and - unite, be one voice? bring these similarities together and fight i unite, be one voice? bring thesel similarities together and fight the beast _ similarities together and fight the beast. justice _ similarities together and fight the beast. justice comes _ similarities together and fight the beast. justice comes in— similarities together and fight the beast. justice comes in so- similarities together and fight the beast. justice comes in so many. beast. justice comes in so many forms — beast. justice comes in so many forms look— beast. justice comes in so many forms lookat— beast. justice comes in so many forms. look at what _ beast. justice comes in so many forms. look at what is - beast. justice comes in so manyl forms. look at what is happening today, _ forms. look at what is happening today, hundreds _ forms. look at what is happening today, hundreds of _ forms. look at what is happening today, hundreds of thousands - forms. look at what is happening today, hundreds of thousands ofl today, hundreds of thousands of people _ today, hundreds of thousands of people are — today, hundreds of thousands of people are taking _ today, hundreds of thousands of people are taking to _ today, hundreds of thousands of people are taking to the - today, hundreds of thousands of| people are taking to the streets, trying _ people are taking to the streets, trying to— people are taking to the streets, trying to go— people are taking to the streets, trying to go for— people are taking to the streets, trying to go for a _ people are taking to the streets, trying to go for a ceasefire - people are taking to the streets, trying to go for a ceasefire and i trying to go for a ceasefire and stopping — trying to go for a ceasefire and stopping tens _ trying to go for a ceasefire and

stopping tens of _ trying to go for a ceasefire and stopping tens of thousands - trying to go for a ceasefire and stopping tens of thousands ofl stopping tens of thousands of innocent _ stopping tens of thousands of innocent women _ stopping tens of thousands of innocent women and - stopping tens of thousands of innocent women and children| stopping tens of thousands of- innocent women and children being massacred — innocent women and children being massacred and _ innocent women and children being massacred and killed _ innocent women and children being massacred and killed and _ innocent women and children being massacred and killed and they - innocent women and children being massacred and killed and they are. massacred and killed and they are not capable — massacred and killed and they are not capable of— massacred and killed and they are not capable of calling _ massacred and killed and they are not capable of calling for - massacred and killed and they are not capable of calling for a - not capable of calling for a ceasefire _ not capable of calling for a ceasefire. so _ not capable of calling for a ceasefire. so we _ not capable of calling for a ceasefire. so we have - not capable of calling for a ceasefire. so we have to i not capable of calling for a - ceasefire. so we have to come together— ceasefire. so we have to come together and _ ceasefire. so we have to come together and make _ ceasefire. so we have to come together and make sure - ceasefire. so we have to come together and make sure our. ceasefire. so we have to come - together and make sure our voices are unified — together and make sure our voices are unified and _ together and make sure our voices are unified and loud. _ together and make sure our voices are unified and loud. it _ together and make sure our voices are unified and loud. it is - together and make sure our voices are unified and loud. it is hard, - together and make sure our voices are unified and loud. it is hard, it. are unified and loud. it is hard, it is tough — are unified and loud. it is hard, it is tough i— are unified and loud. it is hard, it is tough l have _ are unified and loud. it is hard, it is tough. i have been _ are unified and loud. it is hard, it is tough. i have been doing - are unified and loud. it is hard, it is tough. i have been doing this i is tough. i have been doing this nearly— is tough. i have been doing this nearly seven _ is tough. i have been doing this nearly seven years, _ is tough. i have been doing this nearly seven years, it has - is tough. i have been doing this nearly seven years, it has been| is tough. i have been doing this. nearly seven years, it has been a bit longer— nearly seven years, it has been a bit longer for _ nearly seven years, it has been a bit longer for you _ nearly seven years, it has been a bit longer for you guys, - nearly seven years, it has been a bit longer for you guys, and - nearly seven years, it has been a bit longer for you guys, and i- nearly seven years, it has been a bit longer for you guys, and i am| bit longer for you guys, and i am really— bit longer for you guys, and i am really hoping _ bit longer for you guys, and i am really hoping it— bit longer for you guys, and i am really hoping it isn't, _ bit longer for you guys, and i am really hoping it isn't, but- bit longer for you guys, and i am really hoping it isn't, but the - bit longer for you guys, and i ami really hoping it isn't, but the only way is _ really hoping it isn't, but the only way is if— really hoping it isn't, but the only way is if we — really hoping it isn't, but the only way is if we can— really hoping it isn't, but the only way is if we can continue - really hoping it isn't, but the only way is if we can continue to - really hoping it isn't, but the only way is if we can continue to put i really hoping it isn't, but the only. way is if we can continue to put the pressure _ way is if we can continue to put the pressure on — way is if we can continue to put the pressure on the _ way is if we can continue to put the pressure on the powers _ way is if we can continue to put the pressure on the powers that - way is if we can continue to put the pressure on the powers that be - way is if we can continue to put the | pressure on the powers that be and we are _ pressure on the powers that be and we are all— pressure on the powers that be and we are all fighting _ pressure on the powers that be and we are all fighting the _ pressure on the powers that be and we are all fighting the same - pressure on the powers that be and we are all fighting the same beast. | we are all fighting the same beast. get together— we are all fighting the same beast. get together and _ we are all fighting the same beast. get together and let's _ we are all fighting the same beast. get together and let's unify- we are all fighting the same beast. get together and let's unify 100%.| we are all fighting the same beast. | get together and let's unify 100%. i get together and let's unify 100%. agree. a full round of applause there. in terms of the powers that be, let me read a statement from the government. sorry. it is all right, you react how you react. brute government. sorry. it is all right, you react how you react. we have had so many of — you react how you react. we have had so many of the _ you react how you react. we have had so many of the statements _ you react how you react. we have had so many of the statements and - you react how you react. we have had so many of the statements and you i so many of the statements and you spoke _ so many of the statements and you spoke earlier— so many of the statements and you spoke earlier about _ so many of the statements and you spoke earlier about 30 _ spoke earlier about 30 recommendations - spoke earlier about 30 recommendations that spoke earlier about 30 - recommendations that came out spoke earlier about 30 _ recommendations that came out of a report _ recommendations that came out of a report let _ recommendations that came out of a report let me — recommendations that came out of a report. let me ask— recommendations that came out of a report. let me ask a _ recommendations that came out of a report. let me ask a different- report. let me ask a different question _ report. let me ask a different

question. what _ report. let me ask a different question. what was _ report. let me ask a different question. what was the - report. let me ask a different| question. what was the phase report. let me ask a different- question. what was the phase one report— question. what was the phase one report recommendations? - question. what was the phase one report recommendations? how. question. what was the phase one i report recommendations? how long has it been? _ report recommendations? how long has it been? sorry — report recommendations? how long has it been? sorry titur— report recommendations? how long has it been? sorry-— it been? sorry. our thoughts remain with those affected _ it been? sorry. our thoughts remain with those affected by _ it been? sorry. our thoughts remain with those affected by these - with those affected by these tragedies and the government remains absolutely committed to writing past wrongs and working to ensure justice is delivered for the victims. the government has paid out more than £175 million through the windrush compensation scheme. following grandfather —— grenfell, the government introduced the toughest regulations in the world. this includes creating a duty of candour by law to hold pleasing to high standards. the horizon scandal is one of the greatest miscarriages of justice in our history which is why we set up an independent enquiry to establish culpability. if we had more time i would let you respond to all of that. but i am going to post it there and i am going to thank you so much, jennni, karim, tracey and

glenda. while we have been on air we have been keeping an eye on this scene. you can see an empty press conference but we are waiting for the appearance of the dup leader, sirjeffrey donaldson, following talks with his party the night on the possible restoration of power sharing in northern ireland which, nick, would be a welcome relief to the people of northern ireland. what is on the cards potentially? mi is on the cards potentially? all e es on is on the cards potentially? eii eyes on the bank of microphones in county down where the party's executive was meeting tonight. the plan i am told was for sirjeffrey donaldson to come out at about 10:30pm and say that he has given the dup's agreement to restore power—sharing in northern ireland which will mean that the dup would take the deputy first minister post and sinn fein, michelle o'neill, the first minister post. that has not happened. it is not off yet. there was a huge complication because a loyalist blocker tweeted not from

within the room, but what was happening in the room. there is a very lengthy twitter thread and somebody in the room was telling him what was going on and one dup source thinks somebody literally had their phone on and jamie bryson was basically allowed to live tweet it. that has been a complicating factor. but westminster is expecting to introduce secondary legislation and haveit introduce secondary legislation and have it all done by wednesday. a new speaker in the northern ireland assembly and it is up and running. they are all ready to go but sir jeffrey donaldson has not appeared yet. we're joined now by ben lowry, editor of the unionist news letter newspaper. hello. what are we waiting for? what is the hitch? 50 i hello. what are we waiting for? what is the hitch?— is the hitch? so i don't know what the hitch is- _ is the hitch? so i don't know what the hitch is. i— is the hitch? so i don't know what the hitch is. i think— is the hitch? so i don't know what the hitch is. i think the _ is the hitch? so i don't know what the hitch is. i think the hitch - is the hitch? so i don't know what the hitch is. i think the hitch is . the hitch is. i think the hitch is the hitch is. i think the hitch is the fundamental divide that there is on returning to stormont. if you

zoom _ on returning to stormont. if you zoom out — on returning to stormont. if you zoom out a _ on returning to stormont. if you zoom out a little bit, the dup was founded _ zoom out a little bit, the dup was founded by the reverend ian paisley, approaches party, but in the last almost _ approaches party, but in the last almost 20 — approaches party, but in the last almost 20 years it has, like the conservative party in the uk, rather like being _ conservative party in the uk, rather like being in— conservative party in the uk, rather like being in government. there was always— like being in government. there was always perhaps rupture coming between — always perhaps rupture coming between the pragmatism that is involved — between the pragmatism that is involved in being in government and the essence of the dup, which is a very unionist party. that is what it is about — very unionist party. that is what it is about. and there is this drama with— is about. and there is this drama with the — is about. and there is this drama with the loyalist jamie bryson hearing — with the loyalist jamie bryson hearing what is going on and what he is relaying _ hearing what is going on and what he is relaying is— hearing what is going on and what he is relaying is fundamentally what we understood what nick was saying about legislation to protect the union. — about legislation to protect the union, reductions in cheques and so on. union, reductions in cheques and so on but— union, reductions in cheques and so on but the — union, reductions in cheques and so on. but the eu law will continue to apply— on. but the eu law will continue to apply and — on. but the eu law will continue to apply and that is a very big deal for unions _ apply and that is a very big deal for unions-— apply and that is a very big deal for unions. ~ , ., , ., for unions. will there be a sum of money because — for unions. will there be a sum of money because that _ for unions. will there be a sum of money because that was - for unions. will there be a sum of money because that was under i money because that was under discussion from the westminster government as well? timer;r

discussion from the westminster government as well?— discussion from the westminster government as well? they might even be more