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we do take it down. how to protect children online. bosses of the world's biggest social media firms faced a grilling on capitol hill — about what they're doing to prevent the spread of indecent images. also tonight — how much is too much? when it's $55.8 billion. a judge scraps elon musk�*s record breaking pay day — one that made him the world's richest man — saying the company's board had been "swept up by the rhetoric". we'll take a look at the deal to bring back power—sharing to northern ireland. it will mean no routine checks on goods crossing from great britain and staying in northern ireland. and why eltonjohn, taylor swift and the beatles could soon fall silent on tiktok amid a row over
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payment rights on the social media platform. to discuss all this i'll be joined by the political analyst and democratic party strategist mary—anne marsh and philip rycroft — the former permanent secretary at the uk's department for exiting the eu. the bosses of five major tech firms have been testifying at a senate hearing about what they're doing to protect children from online sexual exploitation. the five have faced some fiery questions, with meta boss mark zuckerberg being asked "what the hell were you thinking?" over an instagram prompt directing users to possible child abuse material. mark zuckerberg and the boss of tiktok voluntarily agreed to testify, but leaders of snap, x — formerly twitter — and discord initially refused and were sent subpoenas, forcing them to appear. all have hundreds of
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millions of young users. senators are particularly worried about a rise in reports of explicit images of children being shared, including those created with artificial intelligence. the republican senator, lindsey graham, said the companies had blood on their hands. mr zuckerberg, you and the companies before us, i know you don't mean for it to be so, but you have blood on your hands. you have a product... cheering. you have a product that's killing people. and i use it, we all use it. there is an upside to everything here. but the dark side hasn't been dealt with. it is now time to deal with the dark side because people have taken your idea and they have turned it into a nightmare for the american people. they've turned it into a nightmare for the world at large. kristin bride is a social media reform advocate — her son carson killed himself
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after being a victim of anonymous cyberbullying. before the hearing she said social media companies were more concerned with profit than safety. we are looking for accountability from the social media companies to actually follow through with what they say that they are going to do, we are going to hear a lot of promises today and a lot of, we also see broken promises. here's some of what facebook founder mark zuckerburg's had to say. no one should have to go through what your families have suffered, this is why we invest so much, and we will continue with industry leading efforts to make sure that no one has to go through the types of things that your families have had to suffer. mary—anne marsh, political analyst
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and democratic party strategist, and philip rycroft, former permanent secretary at department for exiting the eu. good to have you both with us, and marianne let me start with you. he said he's going to put in an industry leading efforts to make sure this doesn't go on, but any of those lawmakers in that room, the families of those who have been exposed to this sort of contact were not happy with what they heard, they said you've had time to deal with this and you're simply profit first. and they're right. what's so disingenuous about mark zuckerberg's apology, he literally recited his talking points that he'd been giving throughout that entire hearing to the very families who lost their children because of his platform and others. and we've seen this time and time again, income the of these social media platforms, they sit before a us senator house committee,
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they take a beating, and yet nothing changes. and that's the real problem here. and in fact, add to it, tiktok is considered a national security threat. and social media has existed for 28 years. the last one on this i would say, while there are few if any regulations to hold these companies accountable, the us senate has not done anything either. they have tried to pass the litany of bills they all tried to pass today when they tried to become and it's been over two years and not one of them has passed. both social media and the senate has to be held accountable but what a disappointing day today. did accountable but what a disappointing da toda . , , ., accountable but what a disappointing da toda. , ., , accountable but what a disappointing datoda. , day today. did you get any sense thou . h day today. did you get any sense though when _ day today. did you get any sense though when we _ day today. did you get any sense though when we were _ day today. did you get any sense though when we were tucker - day today. did you get any sense . though when we were tucker talking earlier, getting bipartisan support is quite a breakthrough in itself. united in what needs to be done and perhaps that unity will bring these firms to the table. is it your sense that something has changed? or are
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we in the same place once again, calling for action and getting very little in reply. calling for action and getting very little in reply-— little in reply. they've had bipartisan _ little in reply. they've had bipartisan bills _ little in reply. they've had bipartisan bills before - little in reply. they've had bipartisan bills before and j little in reply. they've hadl bipartisan bills before and i little in reply. they've had - bipartisan bills before and i think it stands out more now because politics in the united states, especially in congress, is so divided along partisan lines. and we'll see, everyone talked a good game today at the table, you know, they needed subpoenas to come in and they needed subpoenas to come in and the senators as well, i hope they do it. you listen to them today and they believe, you want to believe they're going to do it, but we'll see if it actually happens. philip, that was interesting, _ see if it actually happens. philip, that was interesting, wasn't - see if it actually happens. philip, that was interesting, wasn't it? i that was interesting, wasn't it? marks are covered and tiktok�*s boss, they voluntarily agreed to turn out and get the other three, so x's bus, discord and snap. ihla and get the other three, so x's bus, discord and snap.— discord and snap. no it doesn't, there's a basic _ discord and snap. no it doesn't, there's a basic rule _ discord and snap. no it doesn't, there's a basic rule of _ discord and snap. no it doesn't, l there's a basic rule of appearance nothist—
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there's a basic rule of appearance notjust before committees in congress _ notjust before committees in congress but it applies to houses in parliament— congress but it applies to houses in parliament here in the uk as well, that if_ parliament here in the uk as well, that if you — parliament here in the uk as well, that if you are called u—turn up and you give _ that if you are called u—turn up and you give an — that if you are called u—turn up and you give an account of yourself as you give an account of yourself as you can — you give an account of yourself as you can. this is a really, really tough one _ you can. this is a really, really tough one. have no doubt at all we need _ tough one. have no doubt at all we need to— tough one. have no doubt at all we need to regulate into space, getting that regulation corporate response ability, _ that regulation corporate response ability, personal responsibility, privacy. — ability, personal responsibility, privacy, freedom of speech, it is not easy — privacy, freedom of speech, it is not easy. we've done in the uk with the online _ not easy. we've done in the uk with the online safety act of 2023, there is an eu _ the online safety act of 2023, there is an eu digital services act as welt — is an eu digital services act as well. these are quite new pieces of legislation — well. these are quite new pieces of legislation. we don't have it absolutely right but at least there is an attempt there that we can regulate — is an attempt there that we can regulate what has been unregulated. theres— regulate what has been unregulated. there's a _ regulate what has been unregulated. there's a lot more these companies should _ there's a lot more these companies should he _ there's a lot more these companies should be doing at their own hand, but as— should be doing at their own hand, but as you — should be doing at their own hand, but as you said already, then legislation is required and that's up legislation is required and that's up to— legislation is required and that's up to the — legislation is required and that's up to the legislators to do that and now they've got some examples from elsewhere _ now they've got some examples from
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elsewhere in the world to draw some lessons _ elsewhere in the world to draw some lessons from. elsewhere in the world to draw some lessons from-— lessons from. yeah, and it feels like drawing _ lessons from. yeah, and it feels like drawing those _ lessons from. yeah, and it feels like drawing those lessons - lessons from. yeah, and it feels like drawing those lessons and l like drawing those lessons and having a global united response, because we know that these firms operate across borders and trying to come together globally, collectively, to say this is what we expect of these firms could be one of the important bites. and marianne marsh, politics shins and people of all colours will have these social media firms and their size, given how big a year 2024 will be for elections and voting, it's notjust about the sort of content but manipulation of social media ahead of a huge election year, particularly in the us and the uk but other work to. in particularly in the us and the uk but other work to.— but other work to. in the new hampshire — but other work to. in the new hampshire primary _ but other work to. in the new hampshire primary someone | but other work to. in the new- hampshire primary someone generated in a i allegedly from joe biden telling voters for new hampshire to not vote on primary day and save their vote for november, and it was ai generated. to pick up on his
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point, to the credit of the eu, all these social media companies have much more stringent regulations they have to meet to operate in the eu than they do in the united states where most of them were founded. it's really concerning the uncharted territory we're going to see going into the selection, and that is a concern to everybody, and i always feel like we are fighting the last battle and i hope we are ready to fight this one.— fight this one. yeah, it always feels like _ fight this one. yeah, it always feels like the _ fight this one. yeah, it always feels like the tech _ fight this one. yeah, it always feels like the tech firms - fight this one. yeah, it always feels like the tech firms are l fight this one. yeah, it always l feels like the tech firms are one step ahead of regulations, too. thank you so much for you both. $55.8 billion. that was the record pay day for elon musk in 2018. but today a judge in the us state of delaware said it should be scrapped. the pay deal was the biggest ever in us corporate history and propelled mr musk to the top of the list of the world's richest people. butjudge kathaleen mccormick said the payout was "unfathomable". and could put his title as the world's richest man at risk.
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figures from bloomberg and forbes suggest his net worth is between $198 billion and $220bn. is between $198 billion and $220 billion. the pay was from his electric car company tesla — and was linked to performance targets, such as tesla's share price and profitability. and if you look at that measure — well, the value of the company did soar, topping $1 trillion in 2021, up from $50 billion when the pay deal was originally negotiated. mr musk sold a large chunk of tesla to buy twitter. meaning how owns around 13% of the electric carmaker. cancelling his pay deal means he also misses out on more than 300 million tesla shares — that would have helped boost his stake. injuly, tesla's directors agreed to return $735 million to the company to settle shareholder allegations brought in a separate chris roebuck is a leadership expert on the ucl school
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of management advisory board. he told us what he made of that record payday. there is the business perspective. can you justify this through performance? and then there's the moral perspective, which suggests that in today's society where people are having a hard time, perhaps 58 million is probably too much morally. i think the key question, though, is how it got to the point that he even was offered this deal in the first place. and that's what the judge picked up on in terms of there was a suggestion that perhaps the remuneration committee was not exactly transparent with shareholders. yes. and that talks to his power on that board. and that's what the judge, as you said, in delaware, made note of — suggesting that he had too much influence on the behavior of that board. but you're right. i mean, given that it was set in 2018, linked to performance, it's fair to say the firm delivered on that performance. but i suppose the question is, you know, was it known at that point in 2018 that the firm
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would do so well? the concept of... so first of all, the concept of remuneration committees before remuneration committees. in the bad old days, ceos set their own pay and things got pretty outrageous. so various governments around the world said, look, you can't keep doing this. you need to have an independent committee. independent committee that sets the pay in terms of is it performance, is it relative to other ceos and is it a challenging target that the ceo has to achieve effectively? the board knew that on the current predictions of performance, musk would get his objectives pretty easily without a problem. they did not tell the shareholders that. they implied to the shareholders that mr musk was going to have to work very hard to meet these objectives and that lack
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of transparency to put it subtly, maybe politely, lack of transparency, the judge suggested it might be worse, was why the shareholders agreed. had they known the real situation, they probably wouldn't have agreed it. they probably wouldn't have agreed it, those of the words from chris roebuck. marianne, it's hard to get your head around numbers of the scale, and it depends which side you come into this argument from, isn't it? you could say it's linked to performance of the company and he delivered that, he and the firm delivered that, he and the firm delivered it, but at the same time can you everjustify a salary of that magnitude?— can you everjustify a salary of that magnitude? no, never. i 'ust want to porntfi that magnitude? no, never. i 'ust want to point out, i that magnitude? no, never. i 'ust want to point out, elon �* that magnitude? no, never. i 'ust want to point out, elon musk h that magnitude? no, never. ijust want to point out, elon musk has| that magnitude? no, never. ijustl want to point out, elon musk has a habit, when he has bad news coming, to put out other news so it wasn't a coincidence that must put out the first chip implanted in somebody�*s brain from his new company 24 hours
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before this decision came down, and you look at the board and it looks like an autocrat who had oligarchs on it, not a publicly traded company. he's got his brother on the board, robot murdoch's son on the board, robot murdoch's son on the board who is a good friend, and he really relies on because look, the stocks going up and down, to finance his other endeavours. so here's a lot at stake here, the last one of this, delaware is seen as a state in the united states for a favourable place to put your company, has the most relaxed rules and regulations, for them to come down on him like this and he tweets last night, should i relocate tesla's headquarters to texas? where the operations are now, tells you everything about this. it's an obscene amount of money and nobody deserves that. it obscene amount of money and nobody deserves that-— deserves that. it feels like a ca tive deserves that. it feels like a captive audience _ deserves that. it feels like a captive audience for - deserves that. it feels like a captive audience for his - deserves that. it feels like a - captive audience for his supporters on that platform. but philip rycroft, it raises some interesting examples as well, about trust,
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transparency, integrity. we talked as well about the gap between what buses are getting and workers are getting, there's such a huge divide, the wealth gap growing by the day. and in fact, as i read this, his remuneration would have been 250 times— remuneration would have been 250 times higher than his pay agreement with other— times higher than his pay agreement with other ceos. and frankly those ceos— with other ceos. and frankly those ceos are _ with other ceos. and frankly those ceos are doing pretty well themselves. so that gap, i think, is something — themselves. so that gap, i think, is something that is of concern. not least _ something that is of concern. not least in _ something that is of concern. not least in a — something that is of concern. not least in a time when people are struggling with the cost of living. this is— struggling with the cost of living. this is probably completely unjustified and no independent board probably— unjustified and no independent board probably constituted mere narration committee would have gone anywhere near a _ committee would have gone anywhere near a reward as sizeable as this. but all— near a reward as sizeable as this. but all companies always need to be aware _ but all companies always need to be aware of— but all companies always need to be aware of the impression they are sending — aware of the impression they are sending to — aware of the impression they are sending to their employees, not least _ sending to their employees, not least but — sending to their employees, not least but also to their customers, that the _ least but also to their customers, that the reward package can be
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generous— that the reward package can be generous is within reason. and this frankly— generous is within reason. and this frankly was— generous is within reason. and this frankly was well out of reason. i 'ust frankly was well out of reason. i just wonder if he is prepared to play pay— just wonder if he is prepared to play pay tax on that as well. good cuestion, play pay tax on that as well. good question. we _ play pay tax on that as well. good question, we will— play pay tax on that as well. good question, we will find _ play pay tax on that as well. good question, we will find out - play pay tax on that as well. good question, we will find out in - question, we will find out in due course, joining as i also want to talk to taylor lorentz, a columnist at the washington post. you covered technology. that record payday, lots of big questions about whether he should have been allowed in the first place and whether he exerts too much power over the board. the board that awarded him $55 billion. yeah, absolutely. as you said, this is a record — yeah, absolutely. as you said, this is a record pay— yeah, absolutely. as you said, this is a record pay package _ yeah, absolutely. as you said, this is a record pay package for- yeah, absolutely. as you said, this is a record pay package for a - yeah, absolutely. as you said, this is a record pay package for a ceo. i is a record pay package for a ceo. yes. _ is a record pay package for a ceo. yes. you — is a record pay package for a ceo. yes. you know. _ is a record pay package for a ceo. yes, you know, it's— is a record pay package for a ceo. yes, you know, it's an _ is a record pay package for a ceo. yes, you know, it's an absurd - is a record pay package for a ceo. - yes, you know, it's an absurd amount of money _ yes, you know, it's an absurd amount of money 0t— yes, you know, it's an absurd amount of money. of course _ yes, you know, it's an absurd amount of money. of course elon _ yes, you know, it's an absurd amount of money. of course elon musk- yes, you know, it's an absurd amount of money. of course elon musk is - of money. of course elon musk is salty— of money. of course elon musk is salty about— of money. of course elon musk is salty about it. _ of money. of course elon musk is salty about it, he _ of money. of course elon musk is salty about it, he says— of money. of course elon musk is salty about it, he says don't- of money. of course elon musk is salty about it, he says don't do i salty about it, he says don't do this business— salty about it, he says don't do this business in— salty about it, he says don't do this business in delaware, - salty about it, he says don't do this business in delaware, he's quite _ this business in delaware, he's quite salty— this business in delaware, he's quite salty about _ this business in delaware, he's quite salty about it. _ this business in delaware, he's quite salty about it. the - this business in delaware, he's quite salty about it. the judgel this business in delaware, he's- quite salty about it. the judge made a call—
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quite salty about it. the judge made a call here _ quite salty about it. the judge made a call here and— quite salty about it. the judge made a call here and it _ quite salty about it. the judge made a call here and it sets _ quite salty about it. the judge made a call here and it sets a _ a call here and it sets a precedent. yeah. _ a call here and it sets a precedent. yeah. salty— a call here and it sets a precedent. yeah. salty is _ a call here and it sets a precedent. yeah, salty is certainly _ a call here and it sets a precedent. yeah, salty is certainly how- a call here and it sets a precedent. yeah, salty is certainly how he - a call here and it sets a precedent. yeah, salty is certainly how he has| yeah, salty is certainly how he has been, if there are any further responses. the other tech story today... some tech companies said to be subpoenas to attend, but we were just discussing it with the panel, they are in a position where they say they'll take action but the evidence suggested they all are doing anything but. i evidence suggested they all are doing anything but.— doing anything but. i think it's 'ust doing anything but. i think it's just depending _ doing anything but. i think it's just depending on _ doing anything but. i think it's just depending on what - 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great amount of opposition to co—signing civil— great amount of opposition to co—signing civil similar- great amount of opposition to co—signing civil similar bills i great amount of opposition to co—signing civil similar bills in the united _ co—signing civil similar bills in the united states, _ co—signing civil similar bills in the united states, from - co—signing civil similar bills in the united states, from lgbt| co—signing civil similar bills in i the united states, from lgbt q the united states, from lgbt 0 groups. — the united states, from lgbt 0 groups. human— the united states, from lgbt 0 groups, human rights _ the united states, from lgbt 0 groups, human rights groups, i the united states, from lgbt q . groups, human rights groups, and jens the— groups, human rights groups, and jens the kids — groups, human rights groups, and jens the kids themselves. - groups, human rights groups, and jens the kids themselves. i - groups, human rights groups, and jens the kids themselves. i wish l groups, human rights groups, and l jens the kids themselves. i wish the lawmakers— jens the kids themselves. i wish the lawmakers would _ jens the kids themselves. i wish the lawmakers would engage _ jens the kids themselves. i wish the lawmakers would engage in - jens the kids themselves. i wish the lawmakers would engage in good i jens the kids themselves. i wish the . lawmakers would engage in good faith of those _ lawmakers would engage in good faith of those critics, _ lawmakers would engage in good faith of those critics, because _ lawmakers would engage in good faith of those critics, because they- lawmakers would engage in good faith of those critics, because they seem i of those critics, because they seem tojust _ of those critics, because they seem tojust want — of those critics, because they seem to just want to _ of those critics, because they seem to just want to posture _ of those critics, because they seem to just want to posture a _ of those critics, because they seem tojust want to posture a lot. - to just want to posture a lot. we saw a _ to just want to posture a lot. we saw a lot — to just want to posture a lot. we saw a lot of— to just want to posture a lot. we saw a lot of posturing _ to just want to posture a lot. we saw a lot of posturing i - to just want to posture a lot. we saw a lot of posturing i think- saw a lot of posturing i think today. — saw a lot of posturing i think today, obviously— saw a lot of posturing i think today, obviously both - saw a lot of posturing i think today, obviously both the i saw a lot of posturing i think. today, obviously both the ceos saw a lot of posturing i think- today, obviously both the ceos but also the _ today, obviously both the ceos but also the people _ today, obviously both the ceos but also the people in _ today, obviously both the ceos but also the people in congress. - today, obviously both the ceos but also the people in congress. find. today, obviously both the ceos but also the people in congress. and no wonder of it — also the people in congress. and no wonder of it all _ also the people in congress. and no wonder of it all that _ also the people in congress. and no wonder of it all that posturing - wonder of it all that posturing whether it addresses the issue at hand, because you could say those lawmakers wanted to have the stage committee wanted the attention, they wanted to be looking like they were holding these companies to account. butjosh hawley, republican senator, using instagram's on figures. he said one report said 24% of instagram users between the ages of 13-15 instagram users between the ages of 13—15 received unwanted sexual advances within the last seven days. he asked mark zuckerberg who he had fired as a result, he said i am not
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going to answer that, because he didn't fire anyone come you didn't take any significant action. what's the point of them publishing his figures if they then don't do anything about it?— figures if they then don't do anything about it? there in a catch-22- — anything about it? there in a catch-22. in _ anything about it? there in a catch-22. in one _ anything about it? there in a catch-22. in one sense - anything about it? there in a catch-22. in one sense they| anything about it? there in a i catch-22. in one sense they say anything about it? there in a - catch-22. in one sense they say you catch—22. in one sense they say you don't do _ catch—22. in one sense they say you don't do enough _ catch—22. in one sense they say you don't do enough to _ catch—22. in one sense they say you don't do enough to police _ catch—22. in one sense they say you don't do enough to police this kind i don't do enough to police this kind of stuff. _ don't do enough to police this kind of stuff. and — don't do enough to police this kind of stuff, and then _ don't do enough to police this kind of stuff, and then you _ don't do enough to police this kind of stuff, and then you see - don't do enough to police this kind of stuff, and then you see meta— i of stuff, and then you see meta— policing — of stuff, and then you see meta— policing this _ of stuff, and then you see meta— policing this kind _ of stuff, and then you see meta— policing this kind of— of stuff, and then you see meta— policing this kind of stuff - of stuff, and then you see meta— policing this kind of stuff and - policing this kind of stuff and releasing _ policing this kind of stuff and releasing data _ policing this kind of stuff and releasing data about - policing this kind of stuff and releasing data about the - policing this kind of stuff and | releasing data about the stuff policing this kind of stuff and - releasing data about the stuff they police. _ releasing data about the stuff they police. than — releasing data about the stuff they police, than that's _ releasing data about the stuff they police, than that's used _ releasing data about the stuff they police, than that's used against. police, than that's used against them — police, than that's used against them so— police, than that's used against them so it's _ police, than that's used against them. so it's kind _ police, than that's used against them. so it's kind of— police, than that's used against them. so it's kind of putting. police, than that's used against. them. so it's kind of putting them in a tough — them. so it's kind of putting them in a tough position. _ them. so it's kind of putting them in a tough position. those - them. so it's kind of putting them in a tough position. those figures| in a tough position. those figures are horrifying. _ in a tough position. those figures are horrifying. i_ in a tough position. those figures are horrifying, i want _ in a tough position. those figures are horrifying, i want to - in a tough position. those figures are horrifying, i want to be - in a tough position. those figures are horrifying, i want to be that, i are horrifying, i want to be that, but i _ are horrifying, i want to be that, but i think— are horrifying, i want to be that, but i think it's _ are horrifying, i want to be that, but i think it's worse _ are horrifying, i want to be that, but i think it's worse asking - are horrifying, i want to be that, | but i think it's worse asking what can we _ but i think it's worse asking what can we do— but i think it's worse asking what can we do about _ but i think it's worse asking what can we do about it. _ but i think it's worse asking what can we do about it. the - but i think it's worse asking whatj can we do about it. the solutions that are — can we do about it. the solutions that are proposed _ can we do about it. the solutions that are proposed can _ can we do about it. the solutions that are proposed can end - can we do about it. the solutions that are proposed can end up- can we do about it. the solutions- that are proposed can end up causing more _ that are proposed can end up causing more harm _ that are proposed can end up causing more harm to — that are proposed can end up causing more harm to children— that are proposed can end up causing more harm to children then, - that are proposed can end up causing more harm to children then, you - more harm to children then, you know. _ more harm to children then, you know. what's_ more harm to children then, you know, what's currently— more harm to children then, youl know, what's currently happening more harm to children then, you - know, what's currently happening and ithink— know, what's currently happening and i think some — know, what's currently happening and i think some of— know, what's currently happening and i think some of the _ know, what's currently happening and i think some of the solutions - know, what's currently happening and i think some of the solutions that - i think some of the solutions that the senators— i think some of the solutions that the senators and _ i think some of the solutions that the senators and lawmakers - i think some of the solutions that the senators and lawmakers have proposed — the senators and lawmakers have proposed in — the senators and lawmakers have proposed in states _ the senators and lawmakers have proposed in states and _ the senators and lawmakers have proposed in states and on - the senators and lawmakers have proposed in states and on the - proposed in states and on the federal— proposed in states and on the federal level, _ proposed in states and on the federal level, you _ proposed in states and on the federal level, you know, - proposed in states and on the federal level, you know, have extreme — federal level, you know, have extreme privacy— federal level, you know, have extreme privacy concerns, - extreme privacy concerns, free-speech— extreme privacy concerns, free—speech violation- extreme privacy concerns, i free—speech violation issues, extreme privacy concerns, - free—speech violation issues, we want _ free—speech violation issues, we want to— free—speech violation issues, we want to make _ free—speech violation issues, we want to make sure _ free—speech violation issues, we want to make sure kids - free—speech violation issues, we want to make sure kids are - free—speech violation issues, we want to make sure kids are safel free—speech violation issues, we i want to make sure kids are safe but also that _ want to make sure kids are safe but also that they — want to make sure kids are safe but also that they have _ want to make sure kids are safe but also that they have autonomy - want to make sure kids are safe but also that they have autonomy and l also that they have autonomy and independence _ also that they have autonomy and independence and basic— also that they have autonomy and independence and basic human. also that they have autonomy and - independence and basic human rights. and i
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independence and basic human rights. and i think— independence and basic human rights. and i think that's— independence and basic human rights. and i think that's why _ independence and basic human rights. and i think that's why you _ independence and basic human rights. and i think that's why you see - independence and basic human rights. and i think that's why you see a - and i think that's why you see a lot of lgbt— and i think that's why you see a lot of lde 0 — and i think that's why you see a lot of lde 0 groups— and i think that's why you see a lot of lgbt 0 groups and _ and i think that's why you see a lot of lgbt 0 groups and other- of lgbt 0 groups and other organisations kind - of lgbt 0 groups and other organisations kind of- of lgbt 0 groups and other. organisations kind of speaking of lgbt 0 groups and other- organisations kind of speaking out against _ organisations kind of speaking out against proposed _ organisations kind of speaking out against proposed legislation - organisations kind of speaking out| against proposed legislation under the guise — against proposed legislation under the guise of— against proposed legislation under the guise of protecting _ against proposed legislation under the guise of protecting children . against proposed legislation underl the guise of protecting children but we don't _ the guise of protecting children but we don't know— the guise of protecting children but we don't know if— the guise of protecting children but we don't know if it _ the guise of protecting children but we don't know if it will _ we don't know if it will actually accomplish— we don't know if it will actually accomplish that. _ we don't know if it will actually accomplish that.— we don't know if it will actually accomlish that. ., . , accomplish that. taylor, really good to have your — accomplish that. taylor, really good to have your thoughts, _ accomplish that. taylor, really good to have your thoughts, taylor- to have your thoughts, taylor lorentz there at the washington post. thank you. around the world and across the uk. this is bbc news. a 44?year—old man has been charged with the murders of two teenage boys in bristol. 15—year—old mason rist and 16—year—old max dixon were stabbed to death on saturday night. here's detective superintendent gary haskins, from avon and somerset police. the major crime investigation team has been leading the inquiry into their deaths and have so far made eight arrests. tonight, the crown prosecution service has authorised us to charge one of those arrested with two counts of murder following a review of the evidence collated. 44—year—old anthony snook will
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remain in police custody overnight before appearing in the bristol magistrates' court tomorrow morning. this is a pivotal moment in our investigation and mason and max's family have been informed of the development. the specialist family liaison officers are providing them with support and we continue to ask for their privacy is respected and they are given space to grieve. you're live with bbc news. we're getting more details of that breakthrough in northern ireland — that could pave the way to a return of power—sharing at stormont, northern ireland's devolved assembly. so what's in the deal? well, before brexit, trade between northern ireland, the rest of the uk and the republic of ireland was straightforward because they were all in the eu and shared the same free trade rules. but when the uk — including northern ireland, left the eu, a deal was needed
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to allow trade to continue with the republic of ireland — which remains in the eu — without imposing border checks, which are unacceptable to unionists. the original deal meant new checks on goods from great britain coming into northern ireland, had to take place at ports in northern ireland. that was disputed over claims it would put northern ireland at a disadvantage economically. so it was amended and two "lanes" for goods arriving in northern ireland from great britain were created. a �*green lane' for goods that would remain in ni and a �*red lane' for goods that could be sent on to the republic of ireland, or the eu. this deal this week, will reduce checks and paperwork on goods, and there will be no routine checks on british goods that are staying in northern ireland. it's also been enough to get the party to end its boycott of stormont — a move that left northern ireland without functioning government for nearly two years. here's how the dup's leader sirjeffrey donaldson described the deal.
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this agreement is something we have worked hard to deliver for the people of northern ireland. this is our achievement after two years of hard work and negotiation. let's talk to the panel. and philip, it's not the best deal but it is something they can expect to get back into stormont.— something they can expect to get back into stormont. let's be kate clear, back into stormont. let's be kate clear. anything — back into stormont. let's be kate clear, anything that _ back into stormont. let's be kate clear, anything that goes - back into stormont. let's be kate clear, anything that goes against | clear, anything that goes against the executive restored in northern ireland _ the executive restored in northern ireland two years without a poorly functioning government is not good for northern ireland, a whole list of other— for northern ireland, a whole list of other things. if we can get the executive — of other things. if we can get the executive restored, that is absolutely a good thing. this deal is very— absolutely a good thing. this deal is very interesting. it clearly it has to— is very interesting. it clearly it has to relate very closely to the windsor — has to relate very closely to the windsor framework, that is the deal
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that the _ windsor framework, that is the deal that the eu — windsor framework, that is the deal that the eu about managing this order~ _ that the eu about managing this order. and one of the clear critical questions. — order. and one of the clear critical questions, everyone will be looking at this— questions, everyone will be looking at this including the european commission, does this deal in any way contradict the windsor framework. i've had a look at the command — framework. i've had a look at the command paper, i don't see anything in it that _ command paper, i don't see anything in it that does contradict the windsor— in it that does contradict the windsor framework. for it to do so would _ windsor framework. for it to do so would breach the uk's international obligations and that clearly would cause _ obligations and that clearly would cause a _ obligations and that clearly would cause a whole host of other problems. what it does do is clarify how these — problems. what it does do is clarify how these rules will work, how the uk will— how these rules will work, how the uk will implement the rules, and that means minimising the checks on goods— that means minimising the checks on goods going from gb into northern ireland _ goods going from gb into northern ireland as — goods going from gb into northern ireland as much as possible, as well as a whole _ ireland as much as possible, as well as a whole host of other measures of legislation— as a whole host of other measures of legislation to reassure the people of northern ireland of their constitutional status within the uk. they are _ constitutional status within the uk. they are right to question, challenge any changes they have to make _ challenge any changes they have to make two _ challenge any changes they have to make two rules that come over from the eu _ make two rules that come over from the eu so _ make two rules that come over from the eu so a — make two rules that come over from the eu. so a lot of work done, let's hope _ the eu. so a lot of work done, let's hope it— the eu. so a lot of work done, let's hope it sticks — the eu. so a lot of work done, let's hope it sticks because getting that
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executive — hope it sticks because getting that executive restored is really important. executive restored is really important-— executive restored is really imortant. , ., important. people will be forgiven for lookin: important. people will be forgiven for looking at _ important. people will be forgiven for looking at this _ important. people will be forgiven for looking at this though, - important. people will be forgiven for looking at this though, saying | for looking at this though, saying why couldn't they do this in the first place? i mean some of the other comments there from the du p sank saying form or permit boris johnson promised a lot and didn't deliver. he said rishi sunak has delivered where others haven't. why has it proved to be so difficult? why has it taken two years? well, the whole conundrum _ why has it taken two years? well, the whole conundrum of _ why has it taken two years? well, the whole conundrum of how- why has it taken two years? well, the whole conundrum of how to deal with northern ireland post—brexit has been — with northern ireland post—brexit has been absolutely central to allm — has been absolutely central to all... ~ ., ., .,, all... we were all told in those negotiations, _ all... we were all told in those negotiations, then _ all... we were all told in those negotiations, then ahead - all... we were all told in those negotiations, then ahead of. all... we were all told in those i negotiations, then ahead of that brexit referendum, that it would be very simple, weren't we? brute brexit referendum, that it would be very simple, weren't we?— very simple, weren't we? we were told that, very simple, weren't we? we were told that. but _ very simple, weren't we? we were told that. but i _ very simple, weren't we? we were told that, but i as _ very simple, weren't we? we were told that, but i as a _ very simple, weren't we? we were told that, but i as a man _ told that, but i as a man an official— told that, but i as a man an official working for the government knew _ official working for the government knew it _ official working for the government knew it was not going to be simple. what _ knew it was not going to be simple. what you _ knew it was not going to be simple. what you couldn't do as you said in your introduction is to put a hard border on — your introduction is to put a hard border on the island of ireland to sell~ _ border on the island of ireland to sell~ so— border on the island of ireland to sell. so you have to put the border somewhere. what borisjohnson did come _ somewhere. what borisjohnson did come he _ somewhere. what borisjohnson did come he put it down the irish sea, but he _ come he put it down the irish sea, but he did — come he put it down the irish sea, but he did so in a deal which has
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some really hard conditionality is on it— some really hard conditionality is on it which— some really hard conditionality is on it which annoyed an awful lot of people _ on it which annoyed an awful lot of people in— on it which annoyed an awful lot of people in northern ireland. what rishi _ people in northern ireland. what rishi sunak did was to renegotiate that and _ rishi sunak did was to renegotiate that and to take away some of those conditionality is in the windsor framework. conditionality is in the windsor framework-— conditionality is in the windsor framework. , ., ., ,, ., framework. philip, good to talk to ou, framework. philip, good to talk to you. thank — framework. philip, good to talk to you. thank you. — framework. philip, good to talk to you, thank you, we'll— framework. philip, good to talk to you, thank you, we'll talk - framework. philip, good to talk to you, thank you, we'll talk some i framework. philip, good to talk to i you, thank you, we'll talk some more injust a moment, headlines coming up injust a moment, headlines coming up for you very shortly. hello there. we've seen some very strong winds across northern areas of scotland today. and with those severe gales came some pretty big waves pummelling the coastline of shetland. but it wasn't shetland where the strongest winds in this storm were. no, they were in the core of storm ingunn and that mows straight across the faroe islands to our northwest. no, they were in the core of storm ingunn and that mowed straight across the faroe islands to our northwest. now, landsverk is the public authority that runs the infrastructure in the faroe islands. they reported a gust on one of their weather stations of 155 mph. in relatively well sheltered torshavn, we had a top gust of 120 mph there in the capital of the faroe islands.
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thankfully, those really powerful winds stayed well away from our shores. we had a top gust of 75 in lerwick and not far behind that in the highlands and the hebrides. now, overnight tonight we've got a band of rain, a cold front pushing southwards across england and wales, bringing some rain that will clear later in the night. and with clearing skies and lighter winds, one or two mist and fog patches possible, there's also likely to be one or two patches of frost around as well as we head into the first part of thursday. now storm ingunn will be bringing some very strong winds to norway on thursday, gusts over 100 mph, blizzard conditions with lots of snow. our weather is going to be a good deal quieter than that. you'll be pleased to hear. we've got a ridge of high pressure and that means for many of us, it's a bright start to the day. should stay sunny for the most part across england and wales. further north, it will tend to turn cloudier through the afternoon, with outbreaks of rain arriving across the north and west of scotland through thursday afternoon. with the wind strengthening, it won't be quite as windy as it's been though today. but friday, a lot of cloud around. best of any breaks in the cloud
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across eastern areas will continue to be quite windy generally. some rain across the north and west of scotland. we may see a fern effect set up across the north east of scotland. if that happens, we could see temperatures go as high as 16, but otherwise 14 in aberdeen. well, that's still a good seven or eight degrees above average at this time of the year. it stays mild as well for most of the country on saturday, but particularly so for england and wales. still quite a lot of cloud around. gusty winds on into the east of the pennines, a mixture of sunshine and showers for scotland and northern ireland. top temperature around 14 degrees for east anglia in the south east, but even 10—11 for scotland is still well above average as we head into february. into sunday and next week, generally it's going to stay quite wet and windy across northern areas. the quietest weather will be in the south.
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hello, i'm ben thompson. you're watching the context on bbc news. the white house says the islamic resistance in iraq group carried out the drone strike that killed three us soldiers injordan. let's return to that story. the united states says the islamic resistance in iraq group was behind a drone strike that killed three us soldiers injordan. here's the us national security
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council spokespersonjohn kirby. we believe that the attack injordan was a planned resource facilitated

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