ghey�*s sister said that i now feel anxious and struggled to trust new people that i meet because it was brianna's friend who she trusted who ended her life. no one can ever make me feel better, the only thing that would is hearing her voice and laughter and i must carry that pain the rest of my life. wesley powell, brianna ghey�*s stepdad, said brianna's death wasn't peaceful, it was brutal and savage. she was laid face down in the dirt, terrified and alone. it breaks my heart and fills me with sorrow. brianna had a massive online following but in reality she was lonely and vulnerable, eddie and scarlett knew this and they prayed on her. this has clearly had a massive impact, understandably, on brianna's family, friends, the community and just about everyone whose lives were touched by this case. find about everyone whose lives were touched by this case.— about everyone whose lives were touched by this case. and 'ust for eo - le touched by this case. and 'ust for people joining * touched by this case. and 'ust for people joining us * touched by this case. and 'ust for people joining us now, h touched by this case. and just for people joining us now, roman, i touched by this case. and just for i people joining us now, roman, can peoplejoining us now, roman, can you just give us a bit of background to this case. —— rowan. this is a

case that many people tuning in will remember, a very brutal case, a very brutal murder that took place in what many people know as leafy cheshire. , ., , ., ., cheshire. so, this was a brutal and ferocious murder _ cheshire. so, this was a brutal and ferocious murder of _ cheshire. so, this was a brutal and ferocious murder of a _ cheshire. so, this was a brutal and ferocious murder of a 16-year-oldl ferocious murder of a 16—year—old girl by two children even younger than her. the two killers in this case were 15 when they attacked brianna ghey on february the 11th last year in linear park in culcheth which is a village just outside of warrington. the two of them had planned this murder, it was a premeditated attack on brianna ghey by somebody who she thought was one of their friends. she felt she was going to meet a friend in scarlet but in fact was going to meet 215—year—olds who would ultimately murder her. they met her from a 215—year—olds who would ultimately murder her. they met herfrom a bus. —— two is—year—olds. they walked through the park when she was then

set upon and stabbed repeatedly, 28 times, some of them with considerable force. the two were then seen walloping away into a farmer's field away from the scene and her body was found by a couple who are out walking their dog. this was mid afternoon on a saturday. the two teenagers were arrested within a couple of days, really, of the murder. at any�*s house was fined a bloodied jacket and trainers that he was wearing when he carried out the attack and the knife that police believed it was used to murder brianna ghey. at the scarlet�*s house, they found a note which explain how they were going to carry out this attack and also what was described as a a list of five children's names on it, including that of brianna ghey who they clearly had an interest in harming. the court also heard how scarlet had an interest in the dark web, how she

had downloaded a special browser to allowed to search what is known as the dark web, pages of the internet that aren't indexed by search engines, where she was looking at material related to torture and murder and killing and the two of them discussed how they would carry out the murder ahead of the attack. this is one of the reasons that the prosecution believe they deserve stiffer sentences was that this was a clearly premeditated murder that they had planned out. in fact, they tried to meet up with her once before but the meeting hadn't taken place. this was the second time they had arranged to meet brianna and this was the time that they actually murdered her in the park. the two of them stood trial here at manchester crown court in december last year and in that trial, each tried to blame the other for the murder when in fact they were both complicit. it took the jury less than five hours took the jury less than five hours to find them both guilty of murder and today we have the sentencing of the two of them for the murder of

brianna joy. we are expecting that sentencing to take place at some point today but they are going to be given life sentences. what we will hear from mrs justice given life sentences. what we will hear from mrsjustice yip is the minimum time they will have to spend injail before they minimum time they will have to spend in jail before they are considered eligible for parole.— in jail before they are considered eligible for parole. rowan bridge outside manchester _ eligible for parole. rowan bridge outside manchester crown - eligible for parole. rowan bridge outside manchester crown court| outside manchester crown court bringing us the latest there and don't forget, you can head to the bbc news website. we have a live page “p bbc news website. we have a live page up and running, we have our correspondents inside the court bringing you the very latest, judith moritz is there inside the courtroom and one of her posts i'm just reading to you now from our live page online is one of a statement from esther ghey, brianna's mother, who says it is so quiet without brianna. that was read out on her behalf. she also recalls picking out which pink car brianna would have

liked for her 18th birthday and she says that the good memories hurt so much because she's not there to share them with me. that is just some of the emotion coming out of court and judith inside court, you can get her on twitter or on the live page, judith moritz, saying that courtroom number two at manchester crown court where today's hearing is taking place is packed. it isn'tjust packed full of brianna's family but it is also packed full of both offenders' family. so, so many people involved in this trial. just to show you, here are some family pictures of brianna's family arriving in court today and this is the family that we have been hearing so many impact statements from. the court at one point, one of the prosecution barristers there saying how emotional the court was. so many

people, like i say, brianna's mother, father, sister all having victim statements read out there. well, let's cross live now to criminal law expert scott halliday who joins us on criminal law expert scott halliday whojoins us on bbc news. scott, really good to have you, thank you forjoining us. firstly, let's talk about, we are waiting for the sentencing at the moment, of this pair and our reporter outside court they're just talking about the starting point that these two could get but also the aggravating factors. can you just talk us through what thejudge factors. can you just talk us through what the judge will be deciding, what they will be taking into consideration when it comes to the sentencing of this pair? yes. the sentencing of this pair? yes, aood the sentencing of this pair? yes, good afternoon. _ the sentencing of this pair? yes, good afternoon. i— the sentencing of this pair? yes, good afternoon. i should - the sentencing of this pair? 133 good afternoon. i should say, the sentencing of this pair? was good afternoon. i should say, from my point of view, i am a family law expert with regard to children law and in this circumstance, thejudge, mrsjustice yip, is going to be thinking about from the evidence

that she has heard, the factors that will support potentially her decision in extending the sentence or indeed not. factors such as the motivations, the premeditation and whatnot and only in due course, i suppose, once we have the sentencing remarks will we be able to understand to what extent she has associated significance to those particular aggravating factors or indeed on the converse, mitigating factors, although from what we have heard today, it would seem more aggravating factors, possibly the transphobic nature of some of the motivations may well be much stronger in the remarks than say mitigation which doesn't seem to be as applicable here. and mitigation which doesn't seem to be as applicable here.— as applicable here. and also, of course, as applicable here. and also, of course. the _ as applicable here. and also, of course, the big _ as applicable here. and also, of course, the big news— as applicable here. and also, of course, the big news that - as applicable here. and also, of course, the big news that these

as applicable here. and also, of- course, the big news that these two have been named, those reporting restrictions are lifted by the judge, what are your thoughts? is it a good idea to name child killers? it is a very difficult decision that only a certain small number ofjudge hearings need to deal with. the judge is always going to have to weigh very heavily in their minds the importance of public confidence in the system and so inevitably, there is a way of looking at this on both sides of the coin, i suppose, but nether the less, the judge's decision has to be one that the conclusion of these long—running proceedings and trial, the judge must be satisfied weighing all things in that the public have confidence in the system and given the nature of the crimes that have been committed here, it is hard to imagine a more heinous crime in such circumstances where the balancing

act wouldn't tip in favour of lifting anonymity, as it were. it is hard to really think of a circumstance that would be more severe than what we have been thinking about in this case. find thinking about in this case. and also i think— thinking about in this case. and also i think what _ thinking about in this case. and also i think what the judge was thinking is the age of the pair. they are due to turn 18 soon anyway so their names would be released. this might feel like a bit of an unfair question because i know you are notjudge, scott, but you do work in the industry. would you have made the decision? i work in the industry. would you have made the decision?— made the decision? i think it goes back to what _ made the decision? i think it goes back to what i _ made the decision? i think it goes back to what i just _ made the decision? i think it goes back to what i just said, _ made the decision? i think it goes back to what i just said, i - made the decision? i think it goes back to what i just said, i don't i back to what ijust said, i don't really think that the judge can do more than weigh up the competing points and come to the conclusion that she clearly has. there is precedent, if you like, in different cases where they have been murders committed by children and judges in different but nevertheless he must crimes have come to similar conclusions. so, one can understand

in this very difficult situation, bearing in mind the extremities of the facts, one can understand why the facts, one can understand why thejudge may, though having to wait up thejudge may, though having to wait up very significantly and take a lot of time to do that, one can see how that conclusion could be reached in this very exceptional set of circumstances.— this very exceptional set of circumstances. . . , ., ., circumstances. yeah, exceptional the are. circumstances. yeah, exceptional they are- what — circumstances. yeah, exceptional they are. what is _ circumstances. yeah, exceptional they are. what is the _ circumstances. yeah, exceptional they are. what is the effect - circumstances. yeah, exceptional. they are. what is the effect naming them will have, notjust on both jenkinson and ratcliffe but on their families as well? you work with families as well? you work with families who go into the criminal justice system but this is a huge spotlight to be shone on two families that live in a leafy part of the country. it families that live in a leafy part of the country.— families that live in a leafy part of the country. it is and of course, ou can't of the country. it is and of course, you can't disregard _ of the country. it is and of course, you can't disregard the _ of the country. it is and of course, | you can't disregard the significance of that but it needs to be weighed up of that but it needs to be weighed up against the public�*s confidence in the system and it needs to

ultimately be a decision that the judge makes that she feels, having weighed up those competing interests, ultimately the balance falls in favour of public interest in knowing and understanding the circumstances to the fullest extent. but by comparison, for example, in the family courts, of course this is a criminal matter but in the family courts, it is exceptionally rare for parties, parents, particularly, to be named when for example they are dealing with issues regarding their children. this is clearly a very different set of circumstances. you can imagine a set of circumstances where parents dealing with, for example, arrangements for a child would not want this goal friends to be googling and say they knew their parents were in court about such things —— school friends. but that isn't really an analysis or cross—reference that particularly helps us here because the circumstances are so severe. there

is a need, i suppose when all is said and done, for the public in the system to win the day, as it were, so yes, there are competing points of course and yes this will have ramifications for many, but the system works on the basis in such exceptional circumstances as these where there is, at the end of the trial, a sense thatjustice has been done and it must be weighing heavily on thejudge's mind done and it must be weighing heavily on the judge's mind when she was coming to this conclusion as to what to do about the ramifications. but alas, a carefully weighed up decision in a very difficult set of circumstances has been made. absolutely, i'm not taking away from that but finally just absolutely, i'm not taking away from that but finallyjust before we go, naming the two attackers, do you think that will help restore faith in the criminaljustice system for those who may not have it? i think it is as good _ those who may not have it? i think it is as good as _ those who may not have it? i think it is as good as can _ those who may not have it? i think it is as good as can be _ those who may not have it? i think

it is as good as can be done - those who may not have it? i think it is as good as can be done in - those who may not have it? i think it is as good as can be done in the | it is as good as can be done in the second of circumstances we have. i can't say it will provide full support and confidence but in the circumstances, with the question we have, or scott halliday, i'm going to have to cut you off, thank you very much for your thoughts. you are watchin: very much for your thoughts. you are watching bbc— very much for your thoughts. you are watching bbc news. _ very much for your thoughts. you are watching bbc news. well, _ very much for your thoughts. you are watching bbc news. well, for - very much for your thoughts. you are watching bbc news. well, for those l watching bbc news. well, for those who are watching, we have been rolling live on the news that the two killers of brianna ghey have been named as scarlettjenkinson and eddie ratcliffe. thejudge lifted the order to name both 16—year—olds at manchester crown court. we have been rolling on that breaking news coming from manchester. well, i will report at nick garnet has been following this case from the beginning. scarlettjenkinson scarlett jenkinson and scarlettjenkinson and eddie ratcliffe, the killers of brianna ghey. the two had been close,

trusted friends, at school together untiljenkinson was temporarily moved to birchwood hi where scarlett became friends with brianna. she came across _ became friends with brianna. she came across as _ became friends with brianna. sue: came across as very polite, she was very quiet. in terms of scarlett, there were no red flags that came up. i think sitting and listening in court to the messages between eddie and scarlett was very, very surreal and scarlett was very, very surreal and trying to imagine that anyone would talk in that way, plan in that way and for it to be a child that you have actually met is even more shocking. you have actually met is even more shockina. �* . , ., you have actually met is even more shockin. �* ., ., ., ~ shocking. brianna's friend had dark fantasies she _ shocking. brianna's friend had dark fantasies she shared _ shocking. brianna's friend had dark fantasies she shared with - shocking. brianna's friend had darkj fantasies she shared with ratcliffe. she wrote a letter planning how to attack her. he smuggled a hunting knife out of his home. unaware, on a saturday afternoon, brianna went to meet them. they walked to the park

and murdered her in cold blood, stabbing her more than two dozen times before running off across the fields, leaving her to die alone. they were arrested shortly after the attack and convicted in december. i feel like they need to be off the streets for a very long time, if not forever, because i can't see that that level of... of darkness, i suppose, could ever be rehabilitated. i think that they are both very dangerous and, like i say, they are both in the right place and they are both in the right place and they should be kept away from society because i feel like they would be a risk of them committing crime in the future. this would be a risk of them committing crime in the future.— crime in the future. this is not the first case in _ crime in the future. this is not the first case in which _ crime in the future. this is not the first case in which young _ crime in the future. this is not the | first case in which young murderers have had their identification revealed. the killers of two—year—old james bulger were named after their trial. two-year-old james bulger were named after their trial.— after their trial. defendants, adults, defendants - after their trial. defendants, i

adults, defendants children... after their trial. defendants, - adults, defendants children... the man who led _ adults, defendants children... iie: man who led that prosecution believes it is rightjenkinson and ratcliffe's identities are made public. ratcliffe's identities are made -ublic. , ratcliffe's identities are made ublic. , . . ., public. there is much, much good to follow if these _ public. there is much, much good to follow if these cases _ public. there is much, much good to follow if these cases are _ public. there is much, much good to follow if these cases are examined i follow if these cases are examined very fully — follow if these cases are examined very fully and the public know what went wrong in that particular familx — went wrong in that particular family. only then can we ask ourselves_ family. only then can we ask ourselves the question, could this happen— ourselves the question, could this happen in— ourselves the question, could this happen in ourfamily? ourselves the question, could this happen in our family? because at the moment, _ happen in our family? because at the moment, we — happen in our family? because at the moment, we don't know what went wrong _ moment, we don't know what went wronu. �* ., �*, ., ., wrong. but not everyone's in favour of courts identifying _ wrong. but not everyone's in favour of courts identifying young - of courts identifying young offenders. of courts identifying young offenders— of courts identifying young offenders. . ., , ., ., offenders. the naming and shaming of them is a barrier— offenders. the naming and shaming of them is a barrier to _ offenders. the naming and shaming of them is a barrier to rehabilitation. - them is a barrier to rehabilitation. we know that it creates troubles for their safety in prison but then also upon release because these are children, at the end of the day, and they need to be able to be given the space to grow and to move beyond their crime. the

space to grow and to move beyond their crime-— their crime. the trial heard jenkinson _ their crime. the trial heard jenkinson and _ their crime. the trial heard jenkinson and ratcliffe - their crime. the trial heard l jenkinson and ratcliffe were their crime. the trial heard - jenkinson and ratcliffe were deeply and disturbingly interested in torture videos.— and disturbingly interested in torture videos. they had a real thirst for death _ torture videos. they had a real thirst for death and _ torture videos. they had a real thirst for death and for - torture videos. they had a real| thirst for death and for murder. torture videos. they had a real - thirst for death and for murder. the two of— thirst for death and for murder. the two of them — thirst for death and for murder. the two of them are quite depraved in terms _ two of them are quite depraved in terms of— two of them are quite depraved in terms of the conversations they were having _ terms of the conversations they were having i_ terms of the conversations they were having. i think it was brianna's availability or accessibility that led to— availability or accessibility that led to her being a victim on that day~ _ led to her being a victim on that day~ we — led to her being a victim on that day. we believe that there were others _ day. we believe that there were others possibly who it would have been _ others possibly who it would have been bad — others possibly who it would have been had it not been brianna. when mrs justice yip _ been had it not been brianna. when mrs justice yip decided _ been had it not been brianna. when mrs justice yip decided to _ been had it not been brianna. tai�*ie�*i mrs justice yip decided to lift been had it not been brianna. �*mie�*i mrs justice yip decided to lift the mrsjustice yip decided to lift the reporting restrictions, she said, i consider that there is a strong public interest in full and unrestricted reporting of what is plainly an exceptional case. i therefore direct that the order shall be lifted. scarlettjenkinson and eddie ratcliffe arejust i6 and eddie ratcliffe arejust 16 years old. the decision to release their names will have implications for them and their families for the rest of their lives. i for them and their families for the rest of their lives.— rest of their lives. i don't feel that either — rest of their lives. i don't feel that either of _ rest of their lives. i don't feel that either of them, -

rest of their lives. i don't feel that either of them, either i rest of their lives. i don't feel - that either of them, either scarlett or any, other kind of people would get very well on in prison. i suppose that is now a worry for their parents. but they have got to continue knowing that... knowing what their children have done. but brianna's family see the end of the legal fight as brianna's family see the end of the legalfight as a brianna's family see the end of the legal fight as a relief. justice for brianna, who lived her life like her tiktok videos. loud and proud of who she was. nick garnet, bbc news. let's stick with this story and cross live to magister crown court where our reporter rowan bridge is for us and has been reporting on this case throughout the morning. currently inside court, just talk us through what is happening. we are hearing defence mitigation, what are the kcs saying in defence and prosecution?—

the kcs saying in defence and rosecution? , . ., prosecution? so, the prosecution kc was arguing — prosecution? so, the prosecution kc was arguing the _ prosecution? so, the prosecution kc was arguing the fact _ prosecution? so, the prosecution kc was arguing the fact is _ prosecution? so, the prosecution kc was arguing the fact is that - prosecution? so, the prosecution kc was arguing the fact is that they - was arguing the fact is that they think there are aggravating in this case so they pointed to the fact that there have been transphobic comments made by eddie ratcliffe in discussions with scarlett over the planned merger of brianna ghey. they also talked about the level of violence that was used against brianna ghey and the premeditation of the crime, all being fact is that they think should be taken into account in terms of a stiffer sentence for these two teenagers. we have now gone onto the mitigation in terms of the defence counsel, richard pratt kc is addressing the court, the defence counsel for scarlettjenkinson. he has referred to the fact that scarlett confessing to the fact that scarlett confessing to a psychiatrist after conviction that she had been involved in stabbing brianna ghey, said that there had been several versions of what she said at different times and her instructions today were to say something different to what she said to the psychiatrist. he said, nothing that he could say would even

put the smallest weight it's a very moving tester me we have heard and that he wouldn't attempt to do so. —— testimony. thejudge that he wouldn't attempt to do so. —— testimony. the judge said that he wouldn't attempt to do so. —— testimony. thejudge said i'm quite sure the family understand your duty and you have a job to do full stop he said, regarding the transgender issue, thejudge full stop he said, regarding the transgender issue, the judge was saying that as far as the judge was concerned, that was related to eddie ratcliffe, leicester scarlett in this case and that the judge explained it was very difficult when two offenders are convicted of murder by means ofjoint enterprise but may have different motivations. so basically, they were both convicted of murder but what the judges saying is that they may have had different reasons for carrying out that attack and that may have an effect in terms of what the sentence is against each of them.— is against each of them. rowan, as ou have is against each of them. rowan, as you have been _ is against each of them. rowan, as you have been saying _ is against each of them. rowan, as you have been saying throughout i is against each of them. rowan, as i you have been saying throughout the day, we are expecting that sentencing in the coming hours but there is a lot to get through inside there is a lot to get through inside

the court. also being released by police at the moment is lots of cctv, images and of course the lifting of those restrictions to name the two teenagers as scarlett jenkinson and eddie ratcliffe. just talk us through the judge's decision to name these two because it is quite a rare one in the country, isn't it? . .. , quite a rare one in the country, isn't it? . , , ., ., isn't it? yeah, exactly, you are riuht. isn't it? yeah, exactly, you are riht. it isn't it? yeah, exactly, you are right- it is _ isn't it? yeah, exactly, you are right. it is quite _ isn't it? yeah, exactly, you are right. it is quite unusual- isn't it? yeah, exactly, you are right. it is quite unusual to - isn't it? yeah, exactly, you are i right. it is quite unusualto name right. it is quite unusual to name children involved in court cases. they would normally have automatic anonymity for anybody under the age of 18 involved in a case like this. there was an application by the media for the anonymity of the two murderers in this case to be lifted and thejudge had to consider what the impact of that would be. so, what with the impact be for example on the welfare of the two children when they go to prison? what would the potential impact to be on any attempts of rehabilitation of the

two? would that make it more difficult being that there names and faces would be known and what with the psychological impact of that to be? what with the impact be on that rehabilitation if and when they might be considered eligible for parole? on the flip side of that, thejudge also had parole? on the flip side of that, the judge also had to consider what she considered an extraordinary case, was the language she used, and the level of public interest there is in the case and also the principle of open justice, that normally we are allowed to report what happens in court cases. and also, if you look at previous cases where the decision has been made to lift the names of child killers, judges in some of those cases have also said that they believed that there would be a deterrent effect by naming these people and having their names and faces known to the public and that that might act as a deterrent effect to stop anybody else trying to commit a similar crime. but it's a finally balanced decision. in this case, mrsjustice yip has clearly decided the level and severity of the crime is such

that she felt it appropriate for the names of the two children and their images to be released to the public and that is why we are seeing them today. we and that is why we are seeing them toda . ~ . , .,, and that is why we are seeing them toda . ~ . , ., , today. we are seeing those images, also seeing — today. we are seeing those images, also seeing ccw — today. we are seeing those images, also seeing cctv being _ today. we are seeing those images, also seeing cctv being released - today. we are seeing those images, | also seeing cctv being released both before and after the crime was committed. just talk to us about the police investigation and a lot of the evidence that was heard in court and we heard about some really graphic and disturbing text messages between the pair.— between the pair. yeah, i mean, this was a premeditated _ between the pair. yeah, i mean, this was a premeditated attack. - between the pair. yeah, i mean, this was a premeditated attack. the - between the pair. yeah, i mean, this was a premeditated attack. the two l was a premeditated attack. the two of them discussed how they were going to carry out this attack on brianna ghey. they also had what was called a kill list, a list of five children's names that they were considering as possible children to attack and the police believe that brianna ghey was just frankly unfortunate that she was the one that they were able to target. scarlettjenkinson had befriended

scarlett jenkinson had befriended brianna scarlettjenkinson had befriended brianna joy in school and on the day of the attack, february 11th —— brianna ghey. brianna ghey thought she was going to meet a friend in the park, in shed she was meeting to 15—year—old children who decided she was going to murder them on that day. they led her through linear park in culcheth, a village just outside warrington, on a saturday afternoon before she was stabbed 28 times in what was described as a ferocious and frightening attack. her body was then found by a couple who were out walking their dog, she died at the scene. the two teenagers themselves were arrested pretty soon afterwards and in fact, bloodied clothing was found at the home of eddie ratcliffe who had been involved in the attack and at the home of scarlettjenkinson, they found a note where they had discussed how they would carry out the attack, the idea of a code word and how they would carry out the murder of brianna joy. it was something that was clearly premeditated and planned attack. ——

brianna ghey. they stood trial here in december and it took the jury less than five hours to find both of them guilty of the manner of brianna jive. that is the crime they will be sentenced for today. —— brianna ghey. we have been hearing from the prosecution over the fact is they think are aggravating factors in this case including what they believe was transphobia is, hatred towards brianna ghey because she was transgender, violent and forcible nature of that crime, all of which they say should be taken into account by the judge in the case. now we are hearing mitigation on behalf of the defence in terms of mitigating factors that they believe should mean a lesser sentence for the two but they are clearly going to be in jail the two but they are clearly going to be injailfor some time. they will be given life sentences, it will be given life sentences, it will be given life sentences, it will be up to the judge to decide what the minimum time is that they have to spend in jail before they could be possibly considered for parole. could be possibly considered for arole. ., . �* could be possibly considered for arole. ., ., �* ., , parole. ok, rowan bridge outside manchester— parole. 0k, rowan bridge outside

manchester crown _ parole. 0k, rowan bridge outside manchester crown court _ parole. 0k, rowan bridge outside manchester crown court can - parole. 0k, rowan bridge outside manchester crown court can bring j parole. 0k, rowan bridge outside i manchester crown court can bring us the very latest and we will be crossing back to the court when the judge does deliver those sentences. we will have live cameras in court bringing you that right here on bbc news. so do stay with us. let's just recap for those who have joined us. you are watching bbc news, we are continuing with rolling coverage coming from manchester crown court as the identities of brianna ghey�*s killers have been released by mrs justice yip. these are the pictures of the two killers, 16—year—old scarlettjenkinson and 16—year—old eddie ratcliffe. so, they are the pictures released by cheshire police in the last hour or so, as the judge lifted those reporting restrictions because of their ages. they were too

young to be reported. we are also seeing letters, lists between the two that have been written. some lists talking about serial killers that scarlett was a fan of or kill lists as they were called in court of people that they wanted to kill. so, also some of the evidence there that police took into account and presented to the court before that murder conviction last year of the pair. of course, both found guilty of murder of brianna ghey. they are due to sentenced later. we have also had cctv and other images being released by the police. this is scarlettjenkinson's arrest or apologies, this is eddie ratcliffe's arrest. the body cam footage from police officers has been released

and just there, they continued arrest of eddie ratcliffe there. you can see a lot of the footage around him has been blurred out and then this is scarlettjenkinson's arrest. the footage from police body cams there has been released and in some of the images, you can see that she is quite upset following that arrest. you canjust see is quite upset following that arrest. you can just see through that bird footage, it looks like she is crying there. the police releasing this footage to us journalists so that we can show this to the public. and then here, just need to a bus stop, this is moving footage just before the attack of bothjenkinson and ratcliffe. jenkinson marked with an x and ratcliffe marked with a why and then the person in white in the white hoodie is brianna ghey and that is as they met her, just before they

killed her. they stabbed her 28 times using a large knife in a park nearby. and thenjust times using a large knife in a park nearby. and then just after that murder, this is what appears to be eddie ratcliffe boarding a bus, making his way home and he pays for his ticket and boards that bus. higher sentence for the two killers were just 15 at the time. other footage released otherfootage released is this, from the dash cam of a car, showing the two murderers leaving the scene, walking together side by side just after the murder of brianna ghey. well, all of that footage coming through to us from the police because of course this case has sparked huge interest from the

public. earlier, ispoke sparked huge interest from the public. earlier, i spoke to a retired judge and author. it's a balance, isn't it, between the right for open justice of all hearings and at the same time the necessity for courts to protect vulnerable people. vulnerable people can be vulnerable for all sorts of reasons, one of which is age. 15 is young, it's not 12 evidently, but it still presume i2 evidently, but it still presume young and the law protects children as a presumption, whether they be witnesses or defendants or suspects or whatever it might be, and it goes to issuing photographs. it all goes back as well to the protection that has been given to children from legislation from 1939. this is one of the areas of broad discretion of

thejudge. this is