they are still in and three. they are still in hospital this lunchtime being treated for injuries. the youngest of the two girls, the three—year—olds, and her mother, police say may well have suffered life changing injuries. he police say may well have suffered life changing injuries. life changing in'uries. he mentioned there that this — life changing injuries. he mentioned there that this was _ life changing injuries. he mentioned there that this was at _ life changing injuries. he mentioned there that this was at a _ life changing injuries. he mentioned there that this was at a busy - life changing injuries. he mentioned there that this was at a busy time, | there that this was at a busy time, a lot of people would have been at their homes just behind you. a lot of people would have been at their homesjust behind you. a a lot of people would have been at their homes just behind you. a lot of people came out and help this mother and her two daughters following on from the attack and they are being hailed as heroes. yesterday, sergeant gabriel cameron from the metropolitan police praised the people who came to the aid of the people who came to the aid of the mother and the two young children. neighbours, passers by, they also sustained injuries and were taken to hospital. they have now been released. other witnesses told the bbc some quite horrific,

worrying details. they told us that they heard the mother crying out, my eyes, my eyes! and some other worrying details have been coming out about this incident which took place here at around 7:30pm on wednesday evening. it is a very busy area, as you say, very busy part of london. clapham common is one of london's busiest parks so police are hopeful that more people will be coming forward with information, possible sightings of their suspect. one or two neighbours described seeing figure fleeing the scene dressed in dark clothing making their way towards the common and across clapham common. this is a large—scale manhunt being carried out by three of the uk's biggest police forces. the metropolitan police, british transport police and

northumbria police. anyone with any information is being urged to contact the police and dial 999. you mention that _ contact the police and dial 999. you mention that this is not a widespread investigation involving numerous different police forces across the uk. the last sighting of the suspect was in caledonia road just next to king's cross station. is the top ten he then got on a train and travelled north? we understand he has links to the north—east. he understand he has links to the north-east— north-east. he has links to newcastle. _ north-east. he has links to newcastle, which - north-east. he has links to newcastle, which is - north-east. he has links to newcastle, which is why i north-east. he has links to _ newcastle, which is why northumbria police are joining newcastle, which is why northumbria police arejoining in newcastle, which is why northumbria police are joining in with this investigation. it is a huge investigation. it is a huge investigation involving three police forces. police are desperately trying to trackjohn abdul ezedi. they don't know where he is. there is no information yet. it is quite possible that the metropolitan police may give us more information, see more details about where the suspect might be this afternoon. there is a huge investigation, a lot

of resources and officers are being assigned to this investigation to try and track down abdul ezedi. he is described as dangerous and anyone who sees him, police say, should not approach him, but instead get in touch with the police with any information, any sightings, any cctv orany information, any sightings, any cctv or any dash cam footage.— or any dash cam footage. charlie rose in clapham, _ or any dash cam footage. charlie rose in clapham, thank - or any dash cam footage. charlie rose in clapham, thank you - or any dash cam footage. charlie rose in clapham, thank you for i or any dash cam footage. charlie i rose in clapham, thank you for the update. we will follow that story closely on bbc news and we will bring you any updates. in a highly unusual move a judge in manchester has led to the anonymity given to children with criminal convictions and allowed the naming of the killers of 16—year—old brianna ghey, who was murdered last february. eddie ratcliffe and scarlettjenkinson, both 16 years old, are in court and are to be

sentenced for the murder of brianna, who was transgender. she was stabbed 28 times in broad daylight in a park in cheshire in february last year. justice yip previously said there was a strong public interest in the full and unrestricted reporting of what is plainly an exceptional case, she said. roman bridge is outside manchester crown court and has been following the case. it has been a highly emotional day in court. my colleague has been looking back at the case. scarlettjenkinson and eddie ratcliffe, the killers of brianna ghey.

the two had been close, trusted friends, at school together, untiljenkinson was temporarily moved to birchwood high where scarlett became friends with brianna. in terms of scarlett, there were no red flags that came up. i think sitting and listening in court to the messages between eddie and scarlett was very, very surreal, and trying to imagine that anyone would talk in that way, plan in that way, and for it to be a child that you've actually met is even more shocking. brianna's friend had dark fantasies she shared with ratcliffe. she wrote a letter planning how they'd attack her. he smuggled a hunting knife out of his home. unaware, on a saturday afternoon, brianna went to meet them. they walked to the park and murdered her in cold blood, stabbing her more than two dozen

times before running off across the fields, leaving her to die alone. they were arrested shortly after the attack and convicted in december. i feel like they need to be off the streets for a very long time, if not for ever, because i can't see that that level of... of, like, darkness i suppose, can ever be rehabilitated. i think that they are both very dangerous and, like i say, they are both in the right place and they should be kept away from society. because i feel like there would be a risk of them committing crime in the future. this is not the first case in which young murderers have had their identification revealed. the killers of two—year—old james bulger were named after their trial. defendants, adults. defendants, children... the man who led that prosecution believes it's rightjenkinson and ratcliffe's identities

are made public. there is much, much good to follow if these cases are examined very fully, and the public know what went wrong in that particular family. only then can we ask ourselves the question, "could this happen in ourfamily?" because at the moment we don't know what went wrong. the naming and shaming of them is a barrier— the naming and shaming of them is a barrierto— the naming and shaming of them is a barrier to rehabilitation. we know that it _ barrier to rehabilitation. we know that it creates troubles for their safety _ that it creates troubles for their safety in — that it creates troubles for their safety in prison, but also upon release — safety in prison, but also upon release because these are children at the _ release because these are children at the end — release because these are children at the end of the day and they need to he _ at the end of the day and they need to be able _ at the end of the day and they need to be able to be given the space to grow— to be able to be given the space to grow and _ to be able to be given the space to grow and to move beyond their crime.

the trial— grow and to move beyond their crime. the trial heard jenkinson and radcliffe were deeply and disturbingly interested in torture videos. , ., ., ., , ., videos. they had a real thirst for death and _ videos. they had a real thirst for death and murder _ videos. they had a real thirst for death and murder and _ videos. they had a real thirst for death and murder and the - videos. they had a real thirst for death and murder and the two . videos. they had a real thirst for| death and murder and the two of videos. they had a real thirst for - death and murder and the two of them are quite depraved in terms of the conversations they were having. it was brianna cosmic accessibility that led to her being a victim that day. we believe there were others they possibly could have been if it had not been brianna.— they possibly could have been if it had not been brianna. when justice yi lifted had not been brianna. when justice yip lifted the _ had not been brianna. when justice yip lifted the limitations _ had not been brianna. when justice yip lifted the limitations on - yip lifted the limitations on reporting she said. scarlettjenkinson and eddie ratcliffe are just 16 years old. the decision to release their names will have implications for them and their families for the rest of their lives. i don't feel that either of them, idon't feel that either of them, either— i don't feel that either of them, either scarlett or eddie, are the

type of— either scarlett or eddie, are the type of people that will get on very well in _ type of people that will get on very well in prison and i suppose that that is_ well in prison and i suppose that that is now— well in prison and i suppose that that is now a worry for their parents _ that is now a worry for their parents. but they have got to continue _ parents. but they have got to continue knowing what their children have done _ have done. but brianna's family see the end of the legal fight as a relief. justice for brianna, who lived a life, like her tiktok videos, loud and proud of who she was. this morning we have been hearing from the defence and prosecution ahead of sentencing, likely to take place this afternoon. in court the prosecution said how scarlett jenkinson confessed that she grabbed a knife and stabbed brianna. the court was told that she had a personality disorder that had developed over time. in mitigation for eddie ratcliffe, he told the court that he didn't want to do it.

he said he didn't want to go through with the attack. perhaps the most emotional moments in court when the family statements were read out. brianna ghey�*s mother, esther, told the court that the good memories are too much because she is not there to share them with her any more. she said i had memories of herfuneral, identify her body, and the trial were two people tried to blame each other. let's now cross to a guest, mr gamble. just listening to that report their outside court, clearly a complicated case, both mitigation lawyers are talking about mental health problems. i have been speaking to a number of different

guests today who have mixed views about on the court dropping restrictions on naming these two teenagers. first of all, give me a sense of your thoughts when it comes to naming these to i6—year—olds. i to naming these to 16—year—olds. i think you have to consider what is the public benefit of naming them. in essence your naming and shaming them and anyone in their wider family. i can understand the desire to name these two who have carried out such a heinous crime. the law is designed to protect children and young people and recognise that they remain children and young people, evenin remain children and young people, even in the aftermath of a terrible crime like this. i am not a supporter of naming the children at the time. yes you could argue that when there were 18 in a year and a half or less that they could be named anyway, but that is further down the line. i think when they

have finished their sentence, a sentence that they deserved to serve given what they have done, that the likelihood is that with the precedent that was set for example in the jimmy precedent that was set for example in thejimmy bolger case, that's their identities will be anonymized, so at this time i don't agree that the only way to learn lessons from this case is by naming the children or that by naming them you create a greater opportunity to learn those lessons. there are mechanisms, reviews another type of inquiries, they can extrapolate those lessons about why those children ended up committing the cruel and awful acts that they did, but by naming them you are majorly attributing some of that claim to family, you are immediately sharing the same with people in their friendship circle who may in essence have done nothing wrong, so to me you do the learning before you point the finger at other

people, because who knows what the influences were on these children? were those influences primarily online? was it an influence by virtue of the way they were supported and brought up and felt attachment or not with their family? we don't know. but we are speculating about a particular family who will be someone's neighbour and live in summer's community. it neighbour and live in summer's community-— community. it is difficult. it is difficult and _ community. it is difficult. it is difficult and it _ community. it is difficult. it is difficult and it is _ community. it is difficult. it is difficult and it is a _ community. it is difficult. it is difficult and it is a tightrope i community. it is difficult. it is. difficult and it is a tightrope that thejudge will difficult and it is a tightrope that the judge will have to walk along. whatjudges have set in the past as this is a form of deterrent. do you think this works as a deterrent to others who may be contemplating committing a crime? for others who may be contemplating committing a crime?— others who may be contemplating committing a crime? for a deterrent to work in my _ committing a crime? for a deterrent to work in my experience _ committing a crime? for a deterrent to work in my experience you - committing a crime? for a deterrent to work in my experience you have l committing a crime? for a deterrent| to work in my experience you have to have a stake in conformity. you value your reputation, you want to be seen in that truly normal sense. i think children who have been on a pathway to committing a crime of

this type are far from having a stake in conformity. they have critical mental health issues, they don't commit this type of crime for a reason. there have been influences. you're imbalanced, this is something that is awful. i don't think someone is going to become involved in a frenzied attack of this nature is going to sit back and think about the consequence of doing that or else they wouldn't do it at all. i understand the arguments and i don't envy the position of the judge having to make this decision, i'm just trying to understand the practical impact of it because i think what is really key now is that we do learn the lessons about what's opened pathways to this terrible harm with regards to these two children. at the heart of this, this is a child who has been killed by other children. what lessons do you think

could be learnt from this? iatoll. could be learnt from this? well, what we need _ could be learnt from this? well, what we need to _ could be learnt from this? well, what we need to understand - could be learnt from this? well, what we need to understand is l could be learnt from this? vii what we need to understand is what to wear the warning signs? who saw them, who shared them and what did those people do about them? are there issues about the multi—issue partnerships in health and education in children with social care and in health biz was that information shared and proper assessments made? in every case review there will be something about information not being shared. the devil will be in the detail. what information was shared and what risk that was buried and it was understood? d0 shared and what risk that was buried and it was understood?— and it was understood? do you think they should — and it was understood? do you think they should be _ and it was understood? do you think they should be a _ and it was understood? do you think they should be a review? _ and it was understood? do you think they should be a review? there - they should be a review? there absolutely _ they should be a review? there absolutely has _ they should be a review? there absolutely has to _ they should be a review? there absolutely has to be _ they should be a review? there absolutely has to be a - they should be a review? there absolutely has to be a review. i they should be a review? there i absolutely has to be a review. the local authority has already commissioned a review and that has been agreed by the national panel.

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