of doesn't give you that sense of safety and security. but doesn't give you that sense of safety and security.— doesn't give you that sense of safety and security. but the roof was not rebecca's _ safety and security. but the roof was not rebecca's only - safety and security. but the roof was not rebecca's only concern. safety and security. but the roof. was not rebecca's only concern. a year ago, she saw sewage leaking on hospital grounds. figs year ago, she saw sewage leaking on hospital grounds.— year ago, she saw sewage leaking on hospital grounds. as we walked up to the door, hospital grounds. as we walked up to the door. we — hospital grounds. as we walked up to the door, we noticed _ hospital grounds. as we walked up to the door, we noticed a _ hospital grounds. as we walked up to the door, we noticed a really - hospital grounds. as we walked up to the door, we noticed a really foul- the door, we noticed a really foul smell and we looked down and there was sewage coming out of the manhole cover that was about four foot away from the door that leads into the hospital. as we stood there and we could see the sewage, there was rats running around. a trust spokesman said it worked immediately to clear the blocked drain and that all work to reinforce raac concrete is now complete. the department of health and social care said... significant sums have been invested to upgrade and modernise nhs buildings, including £42 billion this financial year, adding that trusts are responsible for prioritising this funding to maintain and refurbish their premises — including the renewal and replacement of equipment. at torbay hospital in devon, the issue is how to prioritise

so many problems, which can impact so many patients. the nhs confederation, which represents trusts, says in a new report today that the next government must boost investment to update crumbling hospital buildings and provide new equipment. hugh pym, bbc news. now some of the other news in the uk. hundreds of people have been forced to leave their homes in plymouth after what is thought to be an unexploded second world war bomb dug up in a garden. police say a tender meat according could be in place for 36 hours while bomb disposal experts try to make the device safe. junior doctors in wales are set to strike over pay. the

doctors union says the welsh government's offer of a 5% increase is the worst in the uk. and a pioneering european satellite is set to fall back down to earth later today. described as one of the grandfathers of observation, it has been gradually descending since it stopped operating in 2011. the european union space agency said most of the two tonne satellite will burn up on the way down. we are going to take you live now to chris warburton, who is taking your calls on what mps should do when they vote later today on motions calling for a ceasefire in gaza. a commons vote is set to be held later today, there is a chance labour's amendment will not

be selected. keir starmer is in a difficult position and chris warburton has the details. let's cross to bbc 5 live. good morning, this is chris warburton, on the nation's phone in. coming up at ten o'clock on 5 live, i will bejoined by coming up at ten o'clock on 5 live, i will be joined by three mps to answer your questions and i am sure we will continue to talk about the situation in gaza. until then, the question is, gaza, what should mps do? we would love to speak to you. we have already had some passionate calls this morning from manchester, from finchleyjust before. we went to the news headlines. i should say welcome to viewers on bbc two and bbc news. you are very welcome indeed. so, this is what we are going to be talking about for the next 30 minutes. it is provoking a

strong response, or course. but we have seen three notable developments in the past 2a hours or so. the vote we are going to be seeing in westminster this afternoon, a shift in position from the united states as well. and we have had this intervention from prince william, saying the fighting in gaza, in his words, must be brought to an end. let's get to some of your calls. we have sarah in portsmouth, raffi in manchester, and mona, a palestinian writer. what should our mps do? fiur writer. what should our mps do? our mps writer. what should our mps do? oi" mps should vote writer. what should our mps do? ij' mps should vote no to a ceasefire. the allies never agreed a ceasefire with the nazis. why should israel

agree with one with hamas, which would allow them to attack israel again and again? it will also leave 130 hostages still in hamas captivity. absolutely no to a ceasefire. if captivity. absolutely no to a ceasefire-— captivity. absolutely no to a ceasefire. ., , ., , , ., captivity. absolutely no to a ceasefire. ., , ., ,, ., ., ceasefire. if there does appear to be growing _ ceasefire. if there does appear to be growing diplomatic— ceasefire. if there does appear to | be growing diplomatic consensus, ceasefire. if there does appear to i be growing diplomatic consensus, i just outlined a view of where that is coming from, that israel has a right to defend itself, most would agree, but that it is going too far with its military efforts. you are looking at gaza in ruins, communities destroyed, millions of children short of food, water, medicine, shelter, thousands of lives lost. a short time ago i took our listeners and now viewers through the latest figures on that. that is before, raffi, we even started talking about the prospect of a ground offensive on rafah? let's just address the figures, to start with. the figures everybody seems to have accepted as fact our

figures from the hamas run health ministry or aid agencies that have a distinct bias against israel. but even if we take the 30,000 figure as fact, and let me start by saying, on whichever side of the conflict, deaths are an absolute tragedy. it would take the figures as fact, the idf has killed around 10,000 or 11,000 hamas terrorists, a one in three ratio. it's a lesser ratio than lodz, most in iraq that the brits and americans went into. the idf is fighting in the most complex urban environment any western military has operated in. if you listen tojohn spencer, head of the urban military warfare academy, he said that israel has gone to more lengths to avoid civilian casualties than any military ever. what lengths to avoid civilian casualties than any military ever. what you're talkin: than any military ever. what you're

talking about _ than any military ever. what you're talking about the _ than any military ever. what you're talking about the challenge - than any military ever. what you're talking about the challenge of- than any military ever. what you're talking about the challenge of the i talking about the challenge of the urban environment, gaza is unlike a lot of those other places described, in respect of residents living so closely, innocent women and children, two combatants. you are 10096 children, two combatants. you are 100% right- _ children, two combatants. you are 10094. right. that _ children, two combatants. you are 10094. right. that is _ children, two combatants. you are 10096 right. that is the _ children, two combatants. you are 10096 right. that is the point - children, two combatants. you are 10096 right. that is the point i - children, two combatants. you are 10096 right. that is the point i was| 100% right. that is the point i was making. the solution to this is very, very clear. people like the snp seem to have lost their moral compass, because they are making a moral equivalence between hamas, a proscribed terrorist organisation, who has a charter which calls for the murder ofjews anywhere in the world, the sovereign state of israel. they are saying, let's: israel. they are saying, let's: israel to have a ceasefire, and let's: hamas, which they agree is a terrorist organisation, to ceasefire. why is there a moral equivalent? surely the demand should clearly be to hamas, surrender, lay down your weapons, you are an illegal terrorist organisation, the

uk prescribes it as such, the eu and us does, lay down your weapons and release the hostages. israel has said time and time again, if that happens, the fighting will end. why is the demand on hamas not to do this? since october the 7th, where has the change been? the western world, the free world said hamas must be destroyed, joe biden said hamas must be destroyed all of a sudden, everybody is saying that ceasefire, let's leave most of their battalions in place, leave them in power. no, doesn't work like that. why can i go with hamas choose not to follow that path, what does winning against hamas look like? they merge into the background, they merge into the population. we know about the underground tunnels. i guess the question is, is there a military answer to what is and what will always be a political problem?

yes and no. there is a military answer to this problem, because the hamas military capability has to be defeated. 18—20 of the 211 hamas battalions have been destroyed or degraded, they are running out of ammunition, as a military force, yes, they will still have pockets of insurgents and resistance, but has a military force they are being degraded significantly. everybody said the idf would be losing 100, 200 soldiers per day. this has been a successful campaign in terms of degrading hamas, except for the battalions left in rafah and the release of hostages. in terms of a political solution, what the west fails to understand, a bit like with the arab spring, where the west tried to instil western democracy in an area of the world where perhaps it wasn't ready for that, and we saw what happened with the arab spring, the devastating consequences of the arab spring, what we have to ask

ourselves is the palestinians cannot even agree who is going to rule themselves. is it fatah, hamas... that seems some way off at the moment, doesn't it? who will rule over the rubble.— moment, doesn't it? who will rule over the rubble. your question was, oliticall , over the rubble. your question was, politically. is _ over the rubble. your question was, politically, is there _ over the rubble. your question was, politically, is there a _ over the rubble. your question was, politically, is there a solution? - politically, is there a solution? israel twice over the palestinians a state, it withdrew from gaza in 2005, it will make peace again, it has shown time and time again, it made peace withjordan, egypt... netanyahu is clearly against the idea of a two—state solution as things stand. idea of a two-state solution as things stand.— idea of a two-state solution as things stand. needs to be stated that until the _ things stand. needs to be stated that until the palestinians - things stand. needs to be stated that until the palestinians can i that until the palestinians can agree who is going to rule them, rule the palestinians, whether it is fatah hamas, and remember that hamas beautifully deposed but are 2006, through fatah members off the roofs of buildings, that is the first

issue. i of buildings, that is the first issue. ., ., , ., issue. i want to bring in other listeners _ issue. i want to bring in other listeners and _ issue. i want to bring in other listeners and viewers. - issue. i want to bring in other listeners and viewers. let - issue. i want to bring in other listeners and viewers. let me issue. i want to bring in other - listeners and viewers. let me bring in mona, a palestinian writer. thank you for being with us.— you for being with us. thank you, chris. you for being with us. thank you, chris- i'm — you for being with us. thank you, chris. i'm stunned. _ you for being with us. thank you, chris. i'm stunned. i— you for being with us. thank you, chris. i'm stunned. i don't - you for being with us. thank you, chris. i'm stunned. i don't know. you for being with us. thank you, i chris. i'm stunned. i don't know how to chris. i'm stunned. idon't know how to reply— chris. i'm stunned. idon't know how to reply to— chris. i'm stunned. i don't know how to reply to this corrupt, mythical narrative — to reply to this corrupt, mythical narrative that raffi is promoting. 0f narrative that raffi is promoting. of course — narrative that raffi is promoting. of course every state has a right to defend _ of course every state has a right to defend itself. that's normal. also, those _ defend itself. that's normal. also, those that— defend itself. that's normal. also, those that are occupying also have the right _ those that are occupying also have the right to resist. —— those that are occupied. please let me finish. they— are occupied. please let me finish. they have — are occupied. please let me finish. they have been illegally occupied for 75 _ they have been illegally occupied for 75 years. you say israel moved out of— for 75 years. you say israel moved out of gaza — for 75 years. you say israel moved out of gaza in 2005. absolutely. but it controlled its borders, who went in, it controlled its borders, who went in. who _ it controlled its borders, who went in, who went out, even foodstuff. so

it is a _ in, who went out, even foodstuff. so it is a total _ in, who went out, even foodstuff. so it is a total corruption of the truth — it is a total corruption of the truth to— it is a total corruption of the truth to say that it has left gaza. it truth to say that it has left gaza. it hasn't — truth to say that it has left gaza. it hasn't. you talk about hamas being _ it hasn't. you talk about hamas being a — it hasn't. you talk about hamas being a terrorist organisation. let me qualify— being a terrorist organisation. let me qualify this immediately, i am against _ me qualify this immediately, i am against the targeting of any civilians _ against the targeting of any civilians by any source. but when you talk — civilians by any source. but when you talk about terrorist organisations, let's not forget that israel— organisations, let's not forget that israel was — organisations, let's not forget that israel was founded through terrorist actions. _ israel was founded through terrorist actions. in _ israel was founded through terrorist actions, in which two prime ministers _ actions, in which two prime ministers that were designated as terrorists— ministers that were designated as terrorists by britain eventually became — terrorists by britain eventually became prime ministers. you talk about— became prime ministers. you talk about hostages being held. 0f became prime ministers. you talk about hostages being held. of course it is appalling that hostages are being _ it is appalling that hostages are being held in gaza. iagree it is appalling that hostages are being held in gaza. i agree 100%. what _ being held in gaza. i agree 100%. what about the palestinian hostages that are _ what about the palestinian hostages that are being held in israel? a lot of them _ that are being held in israel? a lot of them are — that are being held in israel? a lot of them are minors with no charges. what _ of them are minors with no charges. what about— of them are minors with no charges. what about the sexual abuse that is being _ what about the sexual abuse that is being perpetuated on them? i,

frankly, — being perpetuated on them? i, frankly, i— being perpetuated on them? i, frankly, i have to say, i am appalled _ frankly, i have to say, i am appalled and ashamed both as a brit and as— appalled and ashamed both as a brit and as a _ appalled and ashamed both as a brit and as a palestinian that there is even _ and as a palestinian that there is even a _ and as a palestinian that there is even a debate on what is happening i’ili'it even a debate on what is happening right now— even a debate on what is happening right now in — even a debate on what is happening right now in gaza, which is mass slaughter— right now in gaza, which is mass slaughter of innocent women and children — slaughter of innocent women and children. it is horrendous. let me ask ou, children. it is horrendous. let me ask you. mona. — children. it is horrendous. let me ask you, mona, before _ children. it is horrendous. let me ask you, mona, before we - children. it is horrendous. let me ask you, mona, before we go - children. it is horrendous. let me| ask you, mona, before we go back children. it is horrendous. let me . ask you, mona, before we go back to raffi, can i bring you back to the central point of what we are talking about today, which is what our mps should do. we've got this vote in parliament later on today, we see labour have a shift in their position. what would you like to see? people talk about whether there can be a common voice from the house in respect of what this nation thinks should happen next. what you thinks should happen next. what you think mps should do? $5 i thinks should happen next. what you think mps should do?— think mps should do? as i 'ust said, i don't think mps should do? as i 'ust said, i dont think— think mps should do? as i 'ust said, i don't think there h think mps should do? as i 'ust said, i don't think there should _ think mps should do? as ijust said, i don't think there should even - think mps should do? as ijust said, i don't think there should even be i think mps should do? as ijust said, i don't think there should even be a| i don't think there should even be a debate _ i don't think there should even be a debate or— i don't think there should even be a debate or a — i don't think there should even be a debate or a discussion as a human being _ debate or a discussion as a human being at— debate or a discussion as a human being at the — debate or a discussion as a human being at the mass slaughter that is happening right now. there should be an immediate ceasefire. i'm not so

sure, _ an immediate ceasefire. i'm not so sure. you _ an immediate ceasefire. i'm not so sure, you said labour have changed their position, they haven't, really — their position, they haven't, really. they are just playing with political — really. they are just playing with political words. what they have asked _ political words. what they have asked us— political words. what they have asked us for a humanitarian ceasefire _ asked us for a humanitarian ceasefire based on both parties agree _ ceasefire based on both parties agree on — ceasefire based on both parties agree on. they are basically asking the oppressor to agree to stop oppressing and bombing innocent children — oppressing and bombing innocent children. i'm not really sure, although— children. i'm not really sure, although it is a shift, it is... they— although it is a shift, it is... they are _ although it is a shift, it is... they are saying the planned assault on rafah must not take place, as well as demanding an immediate humanitarian ceasefire, that must be observed by all sides. yes. humanitarian ceasefire, that must be observed by all sides.— observed by all sides. yes. as i understand _ observed by all sides. yes. as i understand it, _ observed by all sides. yes. as i understand it, with _ observed by all sides. yes. as i understand it, with both - observed by all sides. yes. as i understand it, with both sides i understand it, with both sides agreeing _ understand it, with both sides agreeing to that. they are not actually— agreeing to that. they are not actually calling for an immediate ceasefire, they are calling for an immediate humanitarian ceasefire on both parties agreeing. that is my understanding. correct me if i am wrong _ understanding. correct me if i am wrong in — understanding. correct me if i am wrong. in any event, i think the

whole _ wrong. in any event, i think the whole point is that if you see any people. — whole point is that if you see any people, whoever they are, being subjected — people, whoever they are, being subjected to mass slaughter, deprived of food aid going in, of course _ deprived of food aid going in, of course you — deprived of food aid going in, of course you must call for an immediate ceasefire. | course you must call for an immediate ceasefire. i know you will be cominu immediate ceasefire. i know you will be coming back _ immediate ceasefire. i know you will be coming back after— immediate ceasefire. i know you will be coming back after ten _ immediate ceasefire. i know you will be coming back after ten o'clock - immediate ceasefire. i know you will be coming back after ten o'clock on | be coming back after ten o'clock on 5 live when we speak to mp5, so let's go to some of our callers. haroun is in welwyn garden city, stewart in nottingham. thank you for getting in contact. what are your thoughts, and what you think mps should do? i thoughts, and what you think mps should do? ., ., ., ., should do? i wanted to go a little bit back to _ should do? i wanted to go a little bit back to the _ should do? i wanted to go a little bit back to the original— should do? i wanted to go a little bit back to the original debate, i l bit back to the original debate, i must say that raffi spoke very well. from your experts, what can britain do? i don't understand so much why

the mps are focusing so much work time on voting, and voting again, changing things. what is really the power, would be my question, of the mp5, of britain. i power, would be my question, of the mps, of britain.— mps, of britain. i suppose it is havin: a mps, of britain. i suppose it is having a consistent _ mps, of britain. i suppose it is having a consistent approach l mps, of britain. i suppose it is| having a consistent approach as mps, of britain. i suppose it is i having a consistent approach as a nation, isn't it, towards a major eventin nation, isn't it, towards a major event in global affairs. i suppose it would then be part of a broader diplomatic direction of travel that the world is obviously seeing at the moment. its. the world is obviously seeing at the moment. �* ., ., the world is obviously seeing at the moment. . ., ., , the world is obviously seeing at the moment. . ., ., moment. a lot of it is also political- _ moment. a lot of it is also political- by _ moment. a lot of it is also political. by then, - moment. a lot of it is also political. by then, supportj moment. a lot of it is also i political. by then, support in moment. a lot of it is also - political. by then, support in the beginning, and now of course because he needs left—wing voters, pro—palestine voters in defeating trump, that is more on our political thing. i can understand in america, with the weapons they are supplying, they might have a little bit more power over israel. i'm not aware so

much what the point is of the british parliament during this vote again and again, with all the other problems we have here in our own country, and what is the power? that would be my question. what is the point. brute would be my question. what is the oint. ~ . . . ~ would be my question. what is the mint, . , , ., ~' ., would be my question. what is the oint.~ ,, ., , point. we will speak to politicians on that after _ point. we will speak to politicians on that after ten _ point. we will speak to politicians on that after ten o'clock. - point. we will speak to politicians on that after ten o'clock. harounl point. we will speak to politicians | on that after ten o'clock. haroun in welwyn garden city, what are you thinking? do you see there being much point in the debate this afternoon from mps? morning, first and foremost. _ afternoon from mps? morning, first and foremost, yes, _ afternoon from mps? morning, first and foremost, yes, i _ afternoon from mps? morning, first and foremost, yes, i think- afternoon from mps? morning, first and foremost, yes, i think we - afternoon from mps? morning, first and foremost, yes, i think we are i afternoon from mps? morning, first and foremost, yes, i think we are a | and foremost, yes, i think we are a great _ and foremost, yes, i think we are a great nation, — and foremost, yes, i think we are a great nation, a powerful nation. it may not— great nation, a powerful nation. it may not seem like that because a lot of the _ may not seem like that because a lot of the dictation is coming from the united _ of the dictation is coming from the united states when it comes to certain— united states when it comes to certain matters. but we do have a say in _ certain matters. but we do have a say in the — certain matters. but we do have a say in the world. i think voting in the house — say in the world. i think voting in the house of parliament, it will go one way— the house of parliament, it will go one way or— the house of parliament, it will go one way or another. the points i wanted — one way or another. the points i wanted to— one way or another. the points i wanted to make, firstly, labour's shift _ wanted to make, firstly, labour's shift in _ wanted to make, firstly, labour's shift in direction is not down to policy— shift in direction is not down to policy or—

shift in direction is not down to policy or the situation in gaza. it is politicat — policy or the situation in gaza. it is political. it is point—scoring. from — is political. it is point—scoring. from the — is political. it is point—scoring. from the snp? is political. it is point-scoring. from the snp?— is political. it is point-scoring. from the snp? dave only started doinu u- from the snp? dave only started doing up now _ from the snp? dave only started doing up now because _ from the snp? dave only started doing up now because they - from the snp? dave only started doing up now because they havel from the snp? dave only started - doing up now because they have seen a lot of— doing up now because they have seen a lot of the _ doing up now because they have seen a lot of the minority vote is going to be lost in the next election. the second point i wanted to make, a couple _ second point i wanted to make, a couple of— second point i wanted to make, a couple of callers have said it will bold couple of callers have said it will hold on — couple of callers have said it will bold on and strengthen hamas, it won't, _ bold on and strengthen hamas, it won't, because the ceasefire is not for them, — won't, because the ceasefire is not forthem, it's won't, because the ceasefire is not for them, it's for the won't, because the ceasefire is not forthem, it's forthe innocent civilians — forthem, it's forthe innocent civilians that are dying. we are nearly— civilians that are dying. we are nearly at — civilians that are dying. we are nearly at the point of 30,000, the majority— nearly at the point of 30,000, the majority of— nearly at the point of 30,000, the majority of whom are children, they have died — majority of whom are children, they have died. once the ceasefire has happened. — have died. once the ceasefire has happened, let me just make my point, once the _ happened, let me just make my point, once the ceasefire is achieved, then we need _ once the ceasefire is achieved, then we need to— once the ceasefire is achieved, then we need to start looking at a two state _ we need to start looking at a two state solution that eradicates the need _ state solution that eradicates the need of— state solution that eradicates the need of any form of resistance from anywhere _ need of any form of resistance from anywhere. that is the issue. israel is opposing — anywhere. that is the issue. israel is opposing a two—state solution though— is opposing a two—state solution though what are we doing right now?

the ceasefire would be for civilians, it would also be for humanitarian relief, it would also be for the israeli hostages. if hamas does not release those hostages, where does the pressure come on them to do so?— hostages, where does the pressure come on them to do so? well, see, this is another— come on them to do so? well, see, this is another debate, _ come on them to do so? well, see, this is another debate, isn't - come on them to do so? well, see, this is another debate, isn't it? - come on them to do so? well, see, this is another debate, isn't it? at l this is another debate, isn't it? at the moment, the main issue is that we need to— the moment, the main issue is that we need to destroy hamas. that has been the _ we need to destroy hamas. that has been the argument. we are not going to destroy— been the argument. we are not going to destroy it _ been the argument. we are not going to destroy it by bombing gaza to oblivion — to destroy it by bombing gaza to oblivion. it's not going to happen. it's oblivion. it's not going to happen. it's an— oblivion. it's not going to happen. it's an ideology. the only way you can destroy— it's an ideology. the only way you can destroy it is by eradicating the need _ can destroy it is by eradicating the need for— can destroy it is by eradicating the need for them to exist. right now, apart— need for them to exist. right now, apart from — need for them to exist. right now, apart from the other elements in the charter. _ apart from the other elements in the charter. it— apart from the other elements in the charter. it is— apart from the other elements in the charter, it is an independent palestine. they are fighting for the palestinian people. if we take that away with— palestinian people. if we take that away with a two—state solution, you will win _ away with a two—state solution, you will win the — away with a two—state solution, you will win the battle. away with a two-state solution, you will win the battle.— will win the battle. you're talking about several _ will win the battle. you're talking about several steps _ will win the battle. you're talking about several steps down - will win the battle. you're talking about several steps down the - will win the battle. you're talking | about several steps down the line. we are talking about a year and now,

and 134 hostages still being held on gazan territory by hamas. i completely get that and i sympathise with that _ completely get that and i sympathise with that. hostages should not be held anywhere. but my only concern is that _ held anywhere. but my only concern is that we _ held anywhere. but my only concern is that we are talking about having a vote _ is that we are talking about having a vote and — is that we are talking about having a vote and other resolutions, whether— a vote and other resolutions, whether solution is right in front of us _ whether solution is right in front of us and — whether solution is right in front of us. and nobody ever talks about that, _ of us. and nobody ever talks about that, because it is not a popular resolution— that, because it is not a popular resolution for anyone. a that, because it is not a popular resolution for anyone.— that, because it is not a popular resolution for anyone. a couple of our resolution for anyone. a couple of your texts. _ resolution for anyone. a couple of your texts, thank _ resolution for anyone. a couple of your texts, thank you _ resolution for anyone. a couple of your texts, thank you for - resolution for anyone. a couple of your texts, thank you for those. i resolution for anyone. a couple of l your texts, thank you for those. the uk government with delusions of grandeur, your made to listen when the us pulls the plug on the political, financial and military support is unflinchingly provides, regardless of what happens in westminster. esther says the snp has pushed this purely for political point scoring. netanyahu will not even care what our parliament says, that this motion will further divide

and entrench feelings in the uk. as will be evidenced by your callers. well, let's see. stuart is in nottingham. we have danny in barnet, and we have yvonne in bolsover. good morning to you. stuart in nottingham, you have been waiting the longest. what do you think our mps should do?— mps should do? well, they can't do an hina. mps should do? well, they can't do anything- this _ mps should do? well, they can't do anything. this situation _ mps should do? well, they can't do anything. this situation is _ mps should do? well, they can't do anything. this situation is beyond i anything. this situation is beyond repair, chris. israel won't be happy until they have completely flattened the whole area and dispersed 2.4 million people. and hamas will not be happy until they have created a third world war. you listen every day on the radio, this is on most

days, do you get israeli people who are very nice and very calm, very well educated, they only give one side of the story. and then you get the palestinian people in this country, who have come across, they see their side. surely in 2024, 99.9% of us want to live safely, see their side. surely in 2024, 99.9% of us want to live safety, we want a job, we want a hospital, we want a job, we want a hospital, we want education, we want food. you're not telling me that 2.4 million people are murderers. what are to the jewish people people are murderers. what are to thejewish people was beyond the repulsive. and the israeli people are doing the same as what happened in 1939-45. , ., , ., are doing the same as what happened in 1939-45. , ., ., , in 1939-45. some people are really cuite in 1939-45. some people are really quite uncomfortable _ in 1939-45. some people are really quite uncomfortable with _ in 1939-45. some people are really quite uncomfortable with that - quite uncomfortable with that comparison that is sometimes made,

sojust to comparison that is sometimes made, so just to represent their discomfort. i understand that. stuart is saying it is a situation beyond repair. i’zre stuart is saying it is a situation beyond repair-— beyond repair. i've gotten very stron: beyond repair. i've gotten very strong views — beyond repair. i've gotten very strong views on _ beyond repair. i've gotten very strong views on this. _ beyond repair. i've gotten very strong views on this. i - beyond repair. i've gotten very strong views on this. i the - beyond repair. i've gotten very| strong views on this. i the main point _ strong views on this. i the main point is — strong views on this. i the main point is the _ strong views on this. i the main point is the western governments are completely— point is the western governments are completely out of the loop about the situation _ completely out of the loop about the situation in the middle east. they talk about— situation in the middle east. they talk about a two—state solution. let's _ talk about a two—state solution. let's talk — talk about a two—state solution. let's talk about the blockade on gaza, _ let's talk about the blockade on gaza, if — let's talk about the blockade on gaza, if gaza is a separate country, with a _ gaza, if gaza is a separate country, with a two—state solution, why should — with a two—state solution, why should israel have to just let anything go through the border? we. are anything go through the border? are getting anything go through the border? - are getting ahead of ourselves, what are getting ahead of ourselves, what are we going to do now? there should be no ceasefire, _ are we going to do now? there should be no ceasefire, let's _ are we going to do now? there should be no ceasefire, let's get _ are we going to do now? there should be no ceasefire, let's get rid _ are we going to do now? there should be no ceasefire, let's get rid of- be no ceasefire, let's get rid of hamas—

be no ceasefire, let's get rid of hamas completely. if hamas want to survive _ hamas completely. if hamas want to survive at _ hamas completely. if hamas want to survive at all, say, right, we surrender~ _ survive at all, say, right, we surrender-— survive at all, say, right, we surrender. ., ., , ., surrender. no matter the number of lives bein: surrender. no matter the number of lives being lost? _ surrender. no matter the number of lives being lost? as _ surrender. no matter the number of lives being lost? as i _ surrender. no matter the number of lives being lost? as i said, - surrender. no matter the number of lives being lost? as i said, 29,330 l lives being lost? as i said, 29,330 palestinians killed. istate lives being lost? as i said, 29,330 palestinians killed.— lives being lost? as i said, 29,330 palestinians killed. we are peddling lies, 29,000. — palestinians killed. we are peddling lies, 29,000, is — palestinians killed. we are peddling lies, 29,000, is that _ palestinians killed. we are peddling lies, 29,000, is that including - lies, 29,000, is that including hamas— lies, 29,000, is that including hamas terrorist combatants? we haven't _ hamas terrorist combatants? we haven't had an honest figure of how many— haven't had an honest figure of how many hamas terrorists have been killed _ many hamas terrorists have been killed and — many hamas terrorists have been killed and how many civilians. just because _ killed and how many civilians. just because they said 500 people are killed _ because they said 500 people are killed in— because they said 500 people are killed in a — because they said 500 people are killed in a hospital where nagy had he fired _ killed in a hospital where nagy had he fired a — killed in a hospital where nagy had he fired a rocket... what killed in a hospital where nagy had he fired a rocket. . ._ he fired a rocket... what would be an ok figure _ he fired a rocket... what would be an ok figure for— he fired a rocket... what would be an ok figure for you? _ he fired a rocket... what would be an ok figure for you? i _ he fired a rocket... what would be an ok figure for you? i don't - he fired a rocket... what would be| an ok figure for you? i don't know, every single _ an ok figure for you? i don't know, every single civilian _ an ok figure for you? i don't know, every single civilian matters - an ok figure for you? i don't know, every single civilian matters to - an ok figure for you? i don't know, | every single civilian matters to me, irrelevant _ every single civilian matters to me, irrelevant of— every single civilian matters to me, irrelevant of colour, creed or anything _ irrelevant of colour, creed or anything. hamas do not care about civilians _ anything. hamas do not care about civilians. let's not forget how many people _ civilians. let's not forget how many people they kill on a regular basis. let's _ people they kill on a regular basis. let's not _ people they kill on a regular basis. let's not forget, they wanted 1000 prisoners — let's not forget, they wanted 1000 prisoners. they put down a figure of

1000-l _ prisoners. they put down a figure of 1000-l that— prisoners. they put down a figure of 1000-1. that is prisoners. they put down a figure of 1000—1. that is a very stupid thing to say, _ 1000—1. that is a very stupid thing to say, really. but hamas really don't _ to say, really. but hamas really don't care — to say, really. but hamas really don't care about lives. gk, to say, really. but hamas really don't care about lives. 0k, yvonne is in bolsover. _ don't care about lives. 0k, yvonne is in bolsover. what _ don't care about lives. 0k, yvonne is in bolsover. what are _ don't care about lives. 0k, yvonne is in bolsover. what are you - is in bolsover. what are you thinking? i is in bolsover. what are you thinking?— is in bolsover. what are you thinkinu? ., , ., thinking? i am listening to both sides. thinking? i am listening to both sides- it's _ thinking? i am listening to both sides- it's a _ thinking? i am listening to both sides. it's a complicated - thinking? i am listening to both - sides. it's a complicated argument. if we don't know history, we don't understand it. that's a very clear case of whenever hamas is in gaza, they will not be peace. that is a sad fact. hamas do not want peace. the un have been repeatedly asked to step in. israel has requested help. egypt has requested help. we forget, and most people do not know the

history around the middle east, so therefore they believe... it is so dangerous. they do not want israel to exist. please don't interrupt me. that's incredibly rude. the un was set up after the nuremberg trials. when the jewish set up after the nuremberg trials. when thejewish people were almost completely eradicated. why was the un set up in the first place? to stop genocide happening ever again. we forget what we and millions of people all around the world have to do in the second world war. fiic to do in the second world war. 0k. to sto do in the second world war. ok. to stop the ideology of destroying...

the only reason i'm interrupting yvonne is because i want to try to keep things focused on what we are talking about today. and we can't just keep going on with a history lesson. because we have done that for months and months. you lesson. because we have done that for months and months.— lesson. because we have done that for months and months. you do not understand — for months and months. you do not understand history, _ for months and months. you do not understand history, history- for months and months. you do not understand history, history repeats| understand history, history repeats itself. i understand history, history repeats itself. . . . understand history, history repeats itself. , ., ., , ., understand history, history repeats itself. , ., ., ., itself. i understand what you are sa inc. itself. i understand what you are saying- 0k- _ itself. i understand what you are saying. 0k. mps— itself. i understand what you are saying. 0k. mps are _ itself. i understand what you are saying. 0k. mps are in - itself. i understand what you are saying. 0k. mps are in a - itself. i understand what you are l saying. 0k. mps are in a catch-22 situation, because _ saying. 0k. mps are in a catch-22 situation, because everybody - saying. 0k. mps are in a catch-22 i situation, because everybody thinks it is binary choice. istate situation, because everybody thinks it is binary choice.— it is binary choice. we have only not three it is binary choice. we have only got three minutes _ it is binary choice. we have only got three minutes left. - it is binary choice. we have only got three minutes left. we've i it is binary choice. we have only. got three minutes left. we've got catherine in leicestershire, just to finish up. we havejust got a couple of minutes to make your point. the caller asked — of minutes to make your point. ire: caller asked what's of minutes to make your point. iis: caller asked what's the of minutes to make your point. ii2 caller asked what's the point, of minutes to make your point. "ii2 caller asked what's the point, we've got enough problems in our country, is there we are some sort of little insular, tiny place that is not totally interconnected, as though our democracy is something we can take for granted. i was really

offended by that. she needs to think about our oil and gas, and food supplies, travel. iagree, i agree, what has happened to populations historically... i have never understood how a population has suffered then goes on to harbour this. that is the problem with homo sapiens, i'm afraid. look.

with homo sapiens, i'm afraid. look, thank ou with homo sapiens, i'm afraid. look, thank you very _ with homo sapiens, i'm afraid. look, thank you very much. _ with homo sapiens, i'm afraid. look, thank you very much. i _ with homo sapiens, i'm afraid. look, thank you very much. i am _ with homo sapiens, i'm afraid. look, thank you very much. i am sorry - with homo sapiens, i'm afraid. look, thank you very much. i am sorry you| thank you very much. i am sorry you only got a short while to make your point but thank you, much appreciated. we are going to continue to talk about this on 5 live with our panel of mps after we have had the news that 10.00. with that, we will say goodbye to our viewers on bbc two and on bbc news sent a thank you for your company over the last half hour.

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