good morning. welcome to breakfast with charlie stayt and naga munchetty. our headlines today... anger, chaos and apologies. the house of commons speaker, sir lindsay hoyle, holds talks with key mps, after a debate on a ceasefire in gaza descended into disorder. where on earth is the speaker of the house of commons? how do we bring him to that seat? from today, bereaved parents in england can apply for government certificates to recognise baby loss before 2a weeks of pregnancy. police report an "epidemic" of drug—driving, with almost 50% of roadside tests positive for cocaine and cannabis.

dozens of people have been hit with legal bills of thousands of pounds after this sheffield law company collapsed, despite signing up on a no win no fee basis. i'll have the details. a new national stadium in the north. that's the vision of this man — the new manchester united co—owner, sirjim ratcliffe, who ideally wants to knock old trafford down and regenerate the whole area. could this revolving restaurant make a comeback? one of london's most famous landmarks — bt tower — is being turned into a hotel. good morning. heavy and persistent rain accompanied by gael falls wins meeting across england and wales. for scotland and northern ireland, sunny spells and heavy showers. —— gale force winds. all of the details

later on in the programme. it's thursday, the 22nd of february. the commons speaker, sir lindsay hoyle, is expected to hold talks with party leaders after last night's debate on a call for a ceasefire in gaza descended into chaos. more than 30 mps have signed a motion of no confidence in sir lindsay after he broke with convention to allow a vote on a labour amendment to an snp proposal. he later apologised and said he wanted to have a discussion on "what is the best way forward." our deputy political editor vicki young reports. there was confusion. there were angry demands for the speaker to explain himself. where on earth is the speaker of the house of commons? loud cheering how do we bring him to that seat? and there was a walkout by the snp and conservatives — an unlikely alliance. chaotic scenes in the commons after mps had been debating one of the most serious foreign policy

issues of the day. outside parliament, feelings were already running high... chanting: ceasefire now! ..with hundreds of people queuing for hours to lobby their mps. the rules meant the only motion that was being considered was one from the snp, calling for an immediate ceasefire. lots of labour members were tempted to vote for it against their leader's wishes, but that all changed when the speaker, going against official advice, said this. i think it's important on this occasion that the house is able to consider the widest possible range of options. i have therefore decided to select the amendments both in the name of the prime minister and in the name of the leader of the opposition. furious snp mps felt that was bending the rules to help sir keir starmer out of a sticky situation. now, we completely appear to be doing things in a way that's never been done before.

can i ask for your advice, mr speaker? what is the point of an opposition day if it's going to be done like this? later, just before the votes were due to happen, the leader of the commons weighed in. the government will play no further part in the decision this house takes on today's proceedings. i would like to stress that the government's position on israel and gaza remains unchanged. by the time the votes on the ceasefire were being called, there was so much noise, very few could hear what was going on. loud heckling: ayes! the ayes have it. to the side, watching all this unfold was sir lindsay hoyle, who'd had no choice but to come back to apologise for the mess. i am honest to this house. i am true to this house. i believe in all members of this house and i tried to do... i have tried to do what i thought

was the right thing for all sides of this house. it is regrettable and i apologise. all this meant labour avoided another damaging rebellion over gaza and they were happy to defend sir lindsay's decision. the speaker was rightly playing his role. he's there to protect the rights of all mps. he was wanting to ensure the widest possible debate. the serious issue of what's going on in the middle east was debated. it was never going to change uk foreign policy but several mps have said this was an embarrassing episode for parliament. vicki young, bbc news, westminster. you are taking a look at developments we will be covering later in the programme as well. yes. from today, bereaved parents in england can apply for official certificates to mark

the loss of a baby before 2a weeks of pregnancy. the documents are intended to help families cope with grief, as tim muffett reports. we have our little jack and aj. sometimes it does feel like it's alljust been a bad dream. and it's like i need something to know that it was real, they did exist. nat has a healthy two—year—old daughter but, before she was born, nat lost three babies during pregnancy. i lost my first son in 2019 at 20 weeks. we lost our daughter sophie in 2020 at 38 weeks. and then in my third pregnancy, i found out that i'd lost my little girl's twin at about five weeks. until now, the loss of a baby in england before 2a weeks gestation hasn't been officially recognised. it was hard. so whilst nat received a death certificate for sophie, who she lost at 38 weeks, there was nothing for a] and jack. my worry is we were always going to leave this world and apart from the few family and friends that

do acknowledge them, that they'd be forgotten. from today in england, parents who've lost a baby before 2a weeks' gestation will be able to apply for a certificate free of charge. the voluntary scheme will be available to those who have experienced the loss since the 1st of september 2018. we know that there'll be lots of people, who had losses prior to that date, who will possibly want one of these certificates, too. we can understand, you know, that these things are complicated. you know, there's potentially so many people, who will want these things, so they need to make sure that the systems are robust and that people can get it and test those systems. but we do... we desperately do want to see it extended to losses previous to that date. the change follows years of work from campaigners — including actress kym marsh. i was 21 weeks five days pregnant when i went into labour and lost my son, sadly. one of the most upsetting

things for me was the fact i lost sophie. nat was able to take part in a trial scheme, which is why she already has her certificate. what difference do you think this will make for many families? it will make a huge difference for so many families. it's that extra connection to their babies. i've got friends in the lost community that had their babies born at 23 plus five, so a matter of two days and they have nothing to show for their little one. and that breaks their heart. the impact of the certificates on nat has already been profound. so, no, they're never going to be forgotten. tim muffett, bbc news. the uk has air—dropped aid into gaza for the first time since war began after striking a deal withjordan. four tonnes of supplies including medicines, food and fuel were delivered into gaza on a jordanian air

force plane yesterday. companies have been told they should make workplace adjustments for women going through the menopause, including relaxing uniform policies and offering working from home on warm days. the equality and human rights commission guidance also states that using language that ridicules someone because of their menopausal symptoms could be harassment. king charles has revealed he's been reduced to tears by the messages of support since he was diagnosed with cancer. he was speaking to the prime minister rishi sunak in his first face—to—face audience since his diagnosis was made public. our royal correspondent daniela relph reports. the prime minister, your majesty. good evening, your majesty. they usually meet every week, but it's been a disrupted start to the year. wonderful to see you looking so well. well, it's all done by mirrors. well, we're... we're all behind you. the country is behind you.

i've had so many wonderful messages and comments. ican imagine. reduced me to tears, most of the time. clearly moved by the public�*s good wishes, this was a hint of normal royal business for the king. the audience with the prime minister has been an important moment. a sign that the king is coping well with his cancer treatment and can still do those core duties. it's now three weeks since the king left hospital, after treatment for a prostate condition. it was during his stay here that his cancer was discovered. he's not expected to return to a full schedule of engagements for several months. the audience lasted around 45 minutes, during which the king also recognised how going public with his diagnosis had highlighted the work of cancer charities — many of which have him as a patron. daniela relph, bbc news, buckingham palace.

a drone sent to film parts of antarctica that have never been mapped before has taken to the air over the continent for the first time. these are some of the pictures you can see now. the drone was specifically built to withstand tough environments, and it's hoped the information it gathers can be used to help forecast the impact of climate change. i remember we spoke to one of the scientist who was involved in the project, saying about the difficulties of working in those conditions and just what they are hoping to achieve. there we go. the first images, obviously accessing a place in a way that was not possible previously. you know who will be interested in that, don't you? carol. slightly different background, slightly different weather, i hope. you background, slightly different weather, i hope.— background, slightly different weather, i hope. you are right. fascinating- — weather, i hope. you are right. fascinating. the _ weather, i hope. you are right. fascinating. the weather- weather, i hope. you are right.

fascinating. the weather overl weather, i hope. you are right. i fascinating. the weather over the next few days is contrary. we had heavy and persistent rain pushing across england and wales, accompanied by strong to gale false wins. some wintry showers especially over their heels. it will turn colder today. this is front brings some heavy and persistent rain. —— gale force winds. you can see the second band coming through. on higher ground behind this, in wales and the midlands for example, there is some winteriness over the hills. in scotland and northern ireland we are looking at sunny spells. wintry over their heels in wales and northern ireland. a windy day, especially in the south, blustery in the north with gales through the english channel, the straits of dover and the east coast of east anglia. temperature quite different

today. eight as we push towards the south east. the cold and digging in. close to where they should be in february. this evening and overnight we lose the rain. there will be clear skies following in on behind. there will be wintry showers over the hills of wales, north—west england, western scotland and a blustery night. colder than we have had of late. a touch of frost in the north of the country. something else to watch out for is the risk of ice. on friday something a little bit quieter comes our way. we are looking at a mix of sunshine and showers, some of which will be wintry. the full forecast later on in the programme. i wintry. the full forecast later on in the programme.— wintry. the full forecast later on in the programme. i said it was not auoin to in the programme. i said it was not going to be — in the programme. i said it was not going to be anything _ in the programme. i said it was not going to be anything like _ in the programme. i said it was not going to be anything like the - going to be anything like the antarctic. i do not know if i was

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and the result of that dictates whether any further action is taken. how prevalent do you think drug—driving actually is? so we've seen quite a lot, it's really prevalent. over the last few years, we've seen year—on—year increases of the number of people that were arrested for drug—driving. as a proportion — about two thirds the number of drugs to one third drink — that's generally throughout the year. driving with certain illegal or prescription drugs in your system above set limits can lead to a driving ban, a fine or potentially prison time. while causing death by careless driving under the influence of drugs can carry a life sentence. summerfrom king's lynn knows the impact drug—driving can have all too well. looking at this photo, itjust takes my breath away. just me being the only one left. a year ago, her mother, sister and stepdad were killed in a crash, caused by a driver with drugs in his system. the moment them people are gone, like your whole life has just been destroyed. it's absolutely shattered into a million pieces. she thinks greater awareness

is needed and stronger punishments. we need harsher sentencing at the start. if someone is to commit drug—driving, it needs to be harsher straight away because if you have a harsh sentence that put someone away the moment they drug—drive, that is going to deter people. national police leaders also want to see tougher sentences. they don't think there's the same understanding or social stigma around drug—driving compared with drink—driving. we're definitely seeing more younger people, who are driving under the influence of drugs. i think generally in society we're seeing more use of cannabis, for example, and we are definitely seeing that when we are stopping and testing drivers. drink—driving, ithink, still remains more socially unacceptable. police say too many people are still getting behind the wheel under the influence of drink or drugs, but with drugs in particular, they're seeing

the trend go in the wrong direction. katie austin, bbc news. in a statement, the home office said that driving under the influence of drugs is unaccepatable, adding that it has tough penalties and rigorous enforcement in place to screen people at the roadside. it added that people found guilty of causing death by careless driving while under the influence of drugs, can now face a lifetime prison sentence. let's take a look at today's papers. many focus on those dramatic scenes in the house of commons during yesteday�*s vote on calls for a ceasefire in the israel—gaza war. "commons chaos" is the is headline. it reports that the speaker, sir lindsay hoyle, apologised for appearing to break with protocol over the debate. the telegraph's front page says sir lindsay is "on the brink" and "fighting to keep hisjob", as he "faces

a no—confidence motion". the paper reports that the tories and the snp are attempting to remove him from his post after he was accused of adopting a position that favoured the labour party. the times focuses on new guidance from britain's equality watchdog calling on employers to "respect the menopause". the paper says firms "could be sued for disability discrimination if they fail to make reasonable adjustments for menopausal women " and finally, the mirror splashes on the celebrations of richard and debbie nuttall from lancashire — who have scooped a £61 million lotteryjackpot. the paper calls it a "del of a win" for the couple — after they said they partied like del boy and rodney from the bbc sitcom only fools and horses. we'll be hearing more from richard and debbie later in the programme.

are you a creature of habit? to a degree. i like a cup of tea in the morning. what about breakfast? is it fixed? this is what i have for breakfast. you are among millions, 9 million, in fact brits who have eaten the same breakfast every day for five years. eaten the same breakfast every day forfive years. really? what eaten the same breakfast every day for five years. really? what are you surprised about? that 9 million it the same breakfast or you are one of them. that 9 million eat the same breakfast. half of them claim it is part of the routine and others say they do not have time to make something different. some want to be more adventurous. there is obviously a feed manufacturer behind this, which says... it can be a good idea to make simple taste twists to favourite dishes like adding a tropical splash of coconut to a bowl

of cereal or topping off a morning brew with a dash of almond drink. 12% brew with a dash of almond drink. i2% turn to the internet or television for inspiration for their breakfast. i do get breakfast being the same thing every day. you are in a rash and need to crack on. it is easy to do the same thing. the mindset for the morning is aware of chatgpt. you could ask that question of it. apparently it has been struck by what is called a glitch with users being bewildered by chatgpt using what is called spanglish, mixing up language. among the bizarre replies recently recorded, a mix of english and spanish. chat gpt is also saying the word over and over again. is also saying the word over and overagain. one is also saying the word over and over again. one example, is also saying the word over and overagain. one example, i is also saying the word over and over again. one example, i will try to get this right. one example said,

let me... articulation is hungry for. ifeel like let me... articulation is hungry for. i feel like restarting let me... articulation is hungry for. ifeel like restarting you let me... articulation is hungry for. i feel like restarting you when you say something like that. i didn't know it was doing this all the time. apparently it was quite a frequent occurrence. it mangles up words and sentences which make no sense. ai could fix that. people don't ever mangle up sentences and make no sense. there you go. you have set us up for the next three hours! seven—year—old conjoined twins marieme and ndeye share many things, but not the same sense of style, meaning dressing them is a daily struggle for their dad. there is a reason. as well as finding clothes that both of them like, buying custom made items is also expensive. now, the twins have had their wardrobe re—stocked with bespoke designs, made by a team of fashion designers.

our reporter lucy owen has the story. two girls, one body, and very different tastes in clothes. i want pink. pink? 0k. orlike red. every item of clothing the girls wear has to be specially altered to fit them. it's another challenge for their dad. it's so difficult to find outfits for them, and it's giving me grey hair every day. look. i would like this one. and this blue one? yeah. the girls have different practical needs from their clothing too. ndeye's heart works harder to help her sister, which makes her hot. marieme feels the cold. we could do a combination here of the t—shirt and the sweatshirt. that'd really good. marieme and ndeye's anatomy and needs are totally unique, but adaptive fashion for most disabled people still isn't widely available. these jeans here, it comes up

the back a lot more. so when you go in transfers from car to a wheelchair, they don't slip down. bbc reporter matthew bassett has been using a wheelchair for 12 years. he used to have to make the best of clothing bought off the shelf. i ended up having to ask friends or familyjust to always pull up these jeans. a grown man having to ask someone to pull up your trousers every couple of hours? so yeah, i mean, i had to do it because if they go too low, then you've got the creases on your bum and that could give you pressure sores, could give you marks. matthew now buys adaptive jeans, which he says give him independence and dignity. but that freedom comes at a price — around £80 a pair. there are now calls for more big fashion chains to make clothing we can all wear to help bring down prices. i think it'd be great if a label could take hold of it, make it more mainstream, maybe

a wheelchair—friendly selection. then things will expand. it's supply and demand. so without it out there for us to purchase, you know, it's not going to materialise. do we have a favourite we've tried on so far? ooh la la! and if proof were needed of what difference specialist clothing can make, well, just take a look at marieme and ndeye. for more on the twins' story, a documentary called inseparable sisters is available on bbc iplayer. if you were watching yesterday, you'll know we were with the friends and family of murdered metropolitan police sergeant matt ratana, as they attempted to walk 100 miles from reading to bristol to raise funds in his name. sergeant ratana was killed while on duty at croydon custody centre four years ago. well, 100 miles was never going to be easy and they weren't helped by the weather — but they made it! our reporterjames dunn was with them. over the hills of the west country to kick off in bristol.

100 miles in total and the final stretch was the wettest of them all. it felt like you just wanted to give up, but in the back of your mind you just know what you're doing. all these people raised so much money for us. you've just got to keep going. that's what it's all about. i know matt up there is thinking the same. you'll never... you'll never be defeated. today was nice to finish. and we all finished together and everybody made it to the end. so, yeah, brilliant. they stayed at local rugby clubs en route. they've had hurdles to overcome, but there's been help just around the corner every step of the way. i mean, it was really, really wet. there was one point, actually, a guy drove past. he was a gardening landscaper and he gave us a lift for 300 yards on the back of his flatbed lorry. welcome to east grinstead rugby football club. a much—loved and respected rugby coach, matt ratana was also a metropolitan police officer. he tragically lost his life just months before retirement, shot in a police station by a suspect, who had a concealed gun.

but this tragedy has united the rugby community. the walk finished with a charity rugby match — attracting stars of the past and present, paying tribute to matt. among those watching on is dean richards. a legend as a coach and a player and a former policeman. we're here because of matt — what he meant and what he stood for. you know, nobody wants the unfortunate circumstances, but at the same time, it's what has come out of it and the fact that so many... so many youngsters will benefit from it and it'll make a difference. and we're here to make a difference. playing tonight, there are a number of pros and ex—pros. coaching on the pitch right now is in zinzan brooke, the former new zealand international, who performed the hacker at matt ratana's funeral. he's a fellow kiwi and a very proud hawke's bay boy. and, you know, part of that — that heritage. i'm more than delighted to come to the match and make my contribution to matt.

the money raised from the match and the walk funds training sessions, like these in croydon — just a few miles from where matt was killed. and that made 100 miles on foot that little bit easier. i have officially sacrificed three toenails to the cause. a small sacrifice compared to what we actually are going to achieve with the funds that we've raised, which will help us to continue coaching in schools and providing opportunities where there might not have been opportunities before. well done. one challenge may be over, but this is where the hard work begins. giving young people opportunities through rugby is matt ratana's true legacy. james dunn, bbc news, bristol. well done to them. the weather wasn't kind, that would be fair to say. no, it was not. when you do

something like that and it motivates you and makes you realise how important it is to you. coming up on breakfast... what have you ordered? that is please sir, can i have some more? really! i wouldn't mind but this is meant to be for the night. yes, johnny vegas is a man of many talents. he'll be here to tell us how he's even started officiating at weddings on his quirky campsite, and about the successful second series of carry on glamping. you couldn't make it up, could you? he will be talking to us about how much he never realised went into wedding planning and now he is part of it. we will talk to him. time now to get the news, travel and weather where you are.

hello. good morning from bbc london. i'm victoria hollins. a former met police officer has been convicted of kidnap and multiple counts of rape. 24—year—old cliff mitchell was found guilty of 10 counts of rape, three counts of rape of a child under 13 and one count of kidnap, following a trial at croydon crown court yesterday. he was a serving constable in hounslow when a number of offences were committed. the met says mitchell was dismissed from the force in december last year and that it is "doing more than" it has done "in decades to rid the met of those who corrupt" its integrity, schools across london are being called on to do more to create more welcoming environments for all pupils and to cut down on suspensions and absenteeism. they're being asked to sign up to an �*inclusion charter�* by the mayor's violence reduction unit, which says children who are not in school are more at risk from crime. young people who aren't in school, you know, actually, they're much less safe. they're actually much more likely to be caught up in exploitation. unfortunately, they're much more

likely to be caught up in violence we know that kids out of school are twice as likely to be carrying a knife. and we know that when we go into a prison, one in two of those prisoners have been excluded. a �*housing emergency�* was declared by crawley council last night. the local authority says their annual costs for temporary accommodation have risen twelve fold in the past five years, and now stands at around £5.7 million. the authority says there is also a "dire shortage" of permanent accommodation. maternity services at the royal surrey county hospital in guildford have been rated as outstanding. the report by the care quality commission comes after an inspection last september. staffing levels and training in the maternity unit were highly praised. let's take a look at the tubes now. there's a good service on the tubes this morning although the central line is part suspended north acton to ealing broadway because of a points failure. now onto the weather with sara. morning.

it's going to be a very wet and windy day across the capital today. a storm system named louis by the french metservice is moving across us and we have not one but two met office weather warnings, one for some heavy, persistent rain, especially the further north and west you are. and one for very strong, gusty winds as well. we'll see all of that system slowly tracking away towards the southeast through the day today. behind it, much colder air filtering in with some showers as well for the next few days. here comes the initial rain band, then moving across a squally rain. then the whole system expands a little into this afternoon, keeping that rain pumping towards us. temperatures will have been as high as 11 or 12 celsius, but as the afternoon wears on, those temperatures will start to drop away as colder air digs in and the rain pulls away. then the winds will ease as we go through the night. tonight, we are much colder and clearer. a few showers to start tomorrow morning, but typically it is a lot drier and there will be a different

feel to things much colder with some much colder with some showers around tomorrow and for the start of the weekend, rain on sunday. that's it — head to our website to find out about the london landmark, the bt tower being turned into a hotel. we're back in half an hour. bye for now. hello. this is breakfast with charlie stayt and naga munchetty. hundreds of people have been unexpectedly hit with huge legal bills after a law firm collapsed — leaving many unable to pay. if you ever think you will be involved in a no—win, no fee type of claim. the thing you are most worried about is will you get the money i think i deserve in the justice i think i deserve. you certainly don't think about the company that is supposed to be representing you are fighting for

you going under. representing you are fighting for you going under-— representing you are fighting for you going under. certainly, and if ou sin you going under. certainly, and if you sign up _ you going under. certainly, and if you sign up for— you going under. certainly, and if you sign up for this, _ you going under. certainly, and if you sign up for this, the - you going under. certainly, and if you sign up for this, the last - you going under. certainly, and if| you sign up for this, the last thing you sign up for this, the last thing you expect is to be landed with a fee. this all goes back to insulation that was put in as part of scheme a decade ago — but could have implications for years to come. it all stems from claims made by dozens of people who say they had cavity wall insulation fitted ten years ago then many later started noticing they had damp or mould in their houses — a result of the insulation often not being suitable for older properties. a few years later thousands of people mainly in the north of england were approached by companies including sheffield—based law firm ssb law. it said it would help them claim against the insulation companies on what is known as a no win

no fee basis. so if the case doesn't succeed then the claimant doesn t have to pay legal fees. some of them lost their cases — and to their surprise started receiving legal bills for tens of thousands of pounds. and earlier this year ssb law went bust — leaving many questions as to why its clients were now getting these bills. among them yusuf patel from blackburn. he had insulation fitted, noticed mould in his home but his claim failed and he got a big legal bill — there is no chance we can pay. how are ou there is no chance we can pay. how are you feeling? — there is no chance we can pay. how are you feeling? i— there is no chance we can pay. how are you feeling? i am _ there is no chance we can pay. how are you feeling? i am feeling - there is no chance we can pay. how are you feeling? i am feeling like i there is no chance we can pay. how are you feeling? i am feeling like a| are you feeling? i am feeling like a broken man. _ are you feeling? i am feeling like a broken man, it _ are you feeling? i am feeling like a broken man, it is _ are you feeling? i am feeling like a broken man, it is scary _ are you feeling? i am feeling like a broken man, it is scary to - are you feeling? i am feeling like a broken man, it is scary to me, - broken man, it is scary to me, because — broken man, it is scary to me, because we _ broken man, it is scary to me, because i've never been in that situation — because i've never been in that situation in _ because i've never been in that situation in my lifetime, and i can't — situation in my lifetime, and i can't sleep. my life has stopped at the moment. this can't sleep. my life has stopped at the moment-— but there are so many that a support group was set up to help people in lancashire. it says it's been inundated.

one of the solicitors firms appointed to help claimants following the ssb law collapse say that more than fourteen hundred people could be affected.the issue has now been raised in parliament. we just don't know how many people are involved. we know it is a lot, hundreds— are involved. we know it is a lot, hundreds of— are involved. we know it is a lot, hundreds of thousands, we don't know. _ hundreds of thousands, we don't know. but— hundreds of thousands, we don't know, but what we do know is that these _ know, but what we do know is that these court — know, but what we do know is that these court costs make people very vulnerable — these court costs make people very vulnerable and it means i have people — vulnerable and it means i have people coming to me and they have been asked for £15,000, £16,000. they haven't got it. and they are being _ they haven't got it. and they are being warned that they will eventually have to sell their homes. that is— eventually have to sell their homes. that is a _ eventually have to sell their homes. that is a dreadful thing hanging over anybody. the that is a dreadful thing hanging over anybody-— that is a dreadful thing hanging over an bod . ., over anybody. the government said in arliament over anybody. the government said in parliament that _ over anybody. the government said in parliament that the _ over anybody. the government said in parliament that the situation - over anybody. the government said in parliament that the situation was - parliament that the situation was appalling and it would look into things. the solicitors watchdog is also investigating ssb law and said it would take appropriate action if the company did not uphold standards. and it also advises people affected to seek legal advice as they might be able to make a

claim on ssb law's insurance and would like to hearfrom claim on ssb law's insurance and would like to hear from you if you've been affected or perhaps you know someone who can help you get in touch and all of the usual ways on screen. —— ssb law. rare touch and all of the usual ways on screen. -- ssb law.— touch and all of the usual ways on screen. -- ssb law. we will find out more throughout _ screen. -- ssb law. we will find out more throughout the _ screen. -- ssb law. we will find out more throughout the programme. l screen. -- ssb law. we will find out - more throughout the programme. when you get new owners. as a fan, you think, if it's been going well, don't change anything. if it hasn't been going well, which in the case of manchester united, it hasn't been as good as it could have been. you want an injection of life. this as good as it could have been. you want an injection of life.— want an in'ection of life. this is a sto of want an injection of life. this is a story of sir— want an injection of life. this is a story of sirjim — want an injection of life. this is a story of sirjim ratcliffe. -

his vision goes way beyond the team. a bit like manchester city did in the east of manchester, and building what he thinks could be a stadium for the whole of the north to celebrate but fans of other clubs might have something to say. he certainly has the vision. big plans for manchester united now that he has completed his deal for a minority stake. one of which is to get the club back to the top of english and european football. the other is the ground, which he says it's rather tired and ideally he wants to build a new ground when she wants to build a new ground when she wants to build a new ground when she wants to be a new national stadium in the north and suggested having a conversation with the government about using taxpayers money. here is his reasoning. obviously england, wembley is in the south. twickenham is in the south. wimbledon's in the south. the, you know, the concert centre 02

in the south, the olympic village in the south, the people in the north pay their taxes just like the people in the south. but there's a there's a significant bias, i think, in terms of those major investments being in the south. and you can see the full interview with sirjim ratcliffe, and our sports editor dan roan on the iplayer now. sirjim ratcliffe — the interview. ratcliffe said his long term ambition is to repeat history and knock their rivals off their perch — but that won't happen soon, and liverpool's lead at the top of the premier league table, is now four points, after they came from behind to beat luton town 4—1 at anfield last night. harvey elliott rounded off a second—half turn around, with a goal on his 100th appearance for liverpool. that's three wins on the bounce forjurgen klopp's side, since losing to arsenal at the start of the month, and the liverpool boss is thrilled to have the title destiny in their own hands. it's the best place you can be. that was a super important game,

and with all the things around, it would have been easy to step in the trap. there's a final at the weekend. how can we do that? we ignored the fact that as any other game in our life again and just went for it. and i love that. after a seven—year absence from the champions league knockout stages, arsenal were left disappointed on their return, losing their last 16 first leg, to porto 1—0 in portugal. the gunners had the lions' share of posession, and looked to be heading back to the emirates, with the tie goalless, but they were stunned by porto's galeno in the fourth minute of stoppage time. the second leg is next month. i was disappointed the way we gave the the game away at the end and not managing the situation well enough. and you get punished in the champions league, you cannot win it. you don't lose it. we really dominated the game, but we lacked purpose in the first half.

in the other game last night, napoli salvaged a draw against barcelona. victor osimhen scoring here to cancel out robert lewandowski's opener. mercedes boss toto wolff says the investigation into allegations of inappropriate behaviour, facing red bull's christian horner, is "an issue for all of formula one". horner said the allegations, which he denies, are a distraction for his team, but on the track it was business as usual, at the first testing event of the season in bahrain. max verstappen finished more than a second, ahead of the pack, with briton lando norris in second. what red bull has started is an independent investigation. if this is done in the right way with transparency and with that rigour, i think that's something that we we need to look at what the what the outcomes are and what it means for formula one and how we can how we can learn from that. england captain ben stokes says

he's never seen anything like the pitch for the fourth test against india, which begins tomorrow. the surface in ranchi has cracks running down one side of the strip, affecting both wickets. at 2—1 down in the series, england need a victory to have a chance of winning the series. it's possible that stokes himself may be bowling. there's definitely a chance. he's not confirmed it yet even in the changing room. so i think he's going to say he got you out of the batter�*s today. so he's going to see how he pulls up tomorrow and see how he goes. and if that's that's good, then hopefully we can see him with the ball in his hand in the game. there was disappointment for andy murray at the qatar open as he lost to 18—year—old jakub mensik. it came the day after the 36 year—old won his first match of the year. murray ended a run of six straight defeats beating alexandre muller in the first round on tuesday, but went down in three sets to the 116th ranked mensik 2a hours later. the scot will drop out

of the top 60 as a result. but that is pretty punishing comity matches in 2a hours for a 36—year—old, which is getting on a bit in tennis. for 36-year-old, which is getting on a bit in tennis.— 36-year-old, which is getting on a bit in tennis. for anyone. when you think of the — bit in tennis. for anyone. when you think of the exertion _ bit in tennis. for anyone. when you think of the exertion involved, - bit in tennis. for anyone. when you think of the exertion involved, it's l think of the exertion involved, it's tough for anyone. don't be ageist. thanks, mike. it's hoped a new teachers' timetable being trialled at one midlands school could lead to happier staff and better outcomes for students. the new flexible rota at west grantham academy, gives teachers an additional day off each fortnight — within existing budget and staffing levels. crispin rolfe has been to find out more.

things you'd like to do with an extra day off in the week. and of course, the reality. i dropped my daughter off at 9:00 and then i pretty much work solidly until i pick her up at 6:00. and that's on rachel's new flexible day off, right? can you please make sure that all your sheets are inside your exercise books, please? the pressure on teachers. it's why one school in grantham is offering every full time staff member who wants it one school day off every two weeks. they can work from home or manage their time to suit their personal needs. what is this worth to you? it's brilliant, i came from leeds originally and you struggle down every day. it really helpful that the extra day because obviously go back and see my children on a weekend. so it's been really helpful for that. it allows me to get out a little bit now, so weather's getting better. i've been out my bike quite a bit. that's nice. nice things to do. i can use it to catch up on work that you need to do for the week. does it benefit you?

yeah, it does. it means that on a sunday i don't have to do quite so much work, whereas normally i would work on a sunday afternoon and evening. it gives me a bit of flexibility to then do that on a monday. west grantham academy's done this within existing resources, but it has meant timetable changes, including lengthening lessons from an hour to 75 or 80 minutes each. this is an incredible rota. is it worth the effort you've got to go into to make all of this work? it's no secret that there is a massive issue with recruitment and retention in education. i think if you're looking for the very best people to come and work and stay within education, you have to look at the differences and the ways in which you can attract people to come to work within schools. we are working with professionals and how they choose to use their free time, i have professional trust in them to use it effectively. the teachers taking part are still working the same hours for their fixed day away from school each fortnight. but what do the pupils make of it? how do you feel about your teachers getting to skive off school when you guys don't? i don't have an actual problem with it.

as long as we get through the lessons and you know, if it actually gives them a day off and it makes them a happier person, you know, having a happier teacher always makes the class a bit better. i think for the teachers it's good for them to take a break as well from just teaching in general. before they had that day off, they looked quite i like overworked and overrun. but now they can do their work one | day every two weeks at their home| in their own comfort zone. so i think it's very beneficial for the lessons as well. - other schools across the country may follow west grantham's example, but it's probably safe to say that most teachers days off won't look like this. crispin rolfe, bbc news. carol has been doing her homework. see what i did there? very good, charlie _ see what i did there? very good, charlie. ~ ., , ., ~' see what i did there? very good, charlie. ~ ., ~ ., ~ see what i did there? very good, charlie. ~ ., ,, ., ~ ., charlie. would you like an no that are a old charlie. would you like an no that are a gold star? _ charlie. would you like an no that are a gold star? all _ charlie. would you like an no that are a gold star? all of _ charlie. would you like an no that are a gold star? all of them. - charlie. would you like an no that are a gold star? all of them. can l charlie. would you like an no that j are a gold star? all of them. can i inform you — are a gold star? all of them. can i inform you about _ are a gold star? all of them. can i inform you about the _ are a gold star? all of them. can i inform you about the weather. - are a gold star? all of them. can i i inform you about the weather. here inform you about the weather. here in salford this morning it was

tipping down, is that a technical phrase enough for you? absolutely. all meteorological _ phrase enough for you? absolutely. all meteorological forecasts - phrase enough for you? absolutely. all meteorological forecasts should | all meteorological forecasts should have that _ all meteorological forecasts should have that word in it because it's so descriptive. — have that word in it because it's so descriptive, and you're absolutely right _ descriptive, and you're absolutely right we — descriptive, and you're absolutely right. we have heavy rain pushing across— right. we have heavy rain pushing across england and wales accompanied by squally— across england and wales accompanied by squally winds and strong to gale force even — by squally winds and strong to gale force even severe gales through the english _ force even severe gales through the english channel is an behind it for scotland — english channel is an behind it for scotland and northern ireland we are looking _ scotland and northern ireland we are looking at _ scotland and northern ireland we are looking at a mixture of sunny spells and showers and some will be happy, more _ and showers and some will be happy, more on _ and showers and some will be happy, more on that later and it's turning cotder~ _ more on that later and it's turning colder. yesterday the top temperature in the uk was in real in north— temperature in the uk was in real in north wales, 15.1 sources but you can kiss _ north wales, 15.1 sources but you can kiss goodbye to that because it's turning colder from today. we have _ it's turning colder from today. we have a _ it's turning colder from today. we have a weather from producing all of this rain— have a weather from producing all of this rain which is moving east through— this rain which is moving east through the day and behind it we are dragging _ through the day and behind it we are dragging in _ through the day and behind it we are dragging in colderairthan through the day and behind it we are dragging in colder air than we have seen— dragging in colder air than we have seen of— dragging in colder air than we have seen of late. you can see that here, the yellows— seen of late. you can see that here, the yellows representing the milder air in the _ the yellows representing the milder air in the south being pushed away by the _ air in the south being pushed away by the colder air, right across the country— by the colder air, right across the country as— by the colder air, right across the

country as we head through the next few days, _ country as we head through the next few days, even to the start of next week, _ few days, even to the start of next week, with — few days, even to the start of next week, with temperatures returning close _ week, with temperatures returning close to _ week, with temperatures returning close to average. this is the band of rain _ close to average. this is the band of rain if— close to average. this is the band of rain. if you are travelling this morning — of rain. if you are travelling this morning to _ of rain. if you are travelling this morning to pay heed, because it is heavy— morning to pay heed, because it is heavy and — morning to pay heed, because it is heavy and persistent with squally winds _ heavy and persistent with squally winds and thunder and lightning and hail as— winds and thunder and lightning and hail as possible and note how we have _ hail as possible and note how we have a _ hail as possible and note how we have a second leg coming in behind it. it have a second leg coming in behind it it is _ have a second leg coming in behind it. it is windy across england and wales— it. it is windy across england and wales and — it. it is windy across england and wales and the gales, sometimes severe _ wales and the gales, sometimes severe gales for the english channel and also _ severe gales for the english channel and also very windy between the straits _ and also very windy between the straits of — and also very windy between the straits of dover and the coast of east anglia so here are the bands of rain pushing towards the east and on the package we could see wintry notes _ the package we could see wintry notes on — the package we could see wintry notes on the hills wales and the midlands — notes on the hills wales and the midlands and the circles represent the gusts — midlands and the circles represent the gusts of wind. for scotland and northern— the gusts of wind. for scotland and northern ireland you will have sunny spells _ northern ireland you will have sunny spells and _ northern ireland you will have sunny spells and showers but some of the showers _ spells and showers but some of the showers will be heavy and persistent with some _ showers will be heavy and persistent with some hail and thunder and wintry— with some hail and thunder and wintry on — with some hail and thunder and wintry on the tops of the hills, so here _ wintry on the tops of the hills, so here are — wintry on the tops of the hills, so here are the temperatures, four in lerwick, _ here are the temperatures, four in lerwick, six— here are the temperatures, four in lerwick, six in birmingham and eight

and nine_ lerwick, six in birmingham and eight and nine in— lerwick, six in birmingham and eight and nine in the far south but the temperatures slip through the course of the _ temperatures slip through the course of the afternoon. as we move into the evening — of the afternoon. as we move into the evening we eventually say goodbye to the weather front and there _ goodbye to the weather front and there will— goodbye to the weather front and there will be clear skies around but a plethora — there will be clear skies around but a plethora of showers in the north and west— a plethora of showers in the north and west and some of those are wintry— and west and some of those are wintry on — and west and some of those are wintry on the tops of the hills and it will— wintry on the tops of the hills and it will be — wintry on the tops of the hills and it will be blustery and with temperatures falling away below freezing in northern areas we are looking _ freezing in northern areas we are looking at— freezing in northern areas we are looking at frost and the risk of ice where _ looking at frost and the risk of ice where it _ looking at frost and the risk of ice where it has been damp. as we head into tomorrow we have this weather front coming in from the west for friday. _ front coming in from the west for friday. so— front coming in from the west for friday, so friday is a quieter day for most — friday, so friday is a quieter day for most and a better chance of staying — for most and a better chance of staying dry and there will be sunny spells. _ staying dry and there will be sunny spells, damp spells and you can see the showers. some of those will be wintry, _ the showers. some of those will be wintry, mostly on the hills but we could _ wintry, mostly on the hills but we could see — wintry, mostly on the hills but we could see some at lower levels across — could see some at lower levels across north—west scotland and temperatures between six or 8 degrees — temperatures between six or 8 degrees north to south and as we head into — degrees north to south and as we head into the weekend, it settles down _ head into the weekend, it settles down a _ head into the weekend, it settles down a bit. we have a ridge of high

pressure _ down a bit. we have a ridge of high pressure across us but there is low pressure _ pressure across us but there is low pressure scooting past the south—west which means on sunday we might— south—west which means on sunday we might see _ south—west which means on sunday we might see rain and windy conditions but there _ might see rain and windy conditions but there will be rain at times, showers — but there will be rain at times, showers at _ but there will be rain at times, showers at times, mist and fog at times— showers at times, mist and fog at times and — showers at times, mist and fog at times and it — showers at times, mist and fog at times and it will be frosty but egualty— times and it will be frosty but equally there will be some sunshine. a bit of— equally there will be some sunshine. a bit of everything in there. thanks so much. it a bit of everything in there. thanks so much. , ., a bit of everything in there. thanks so much. ,, . a bit of everything in there. thanks so much. i. ., ., a bit of everything in there. thanks so much. ,, . . . a bit of everything in there. thanks so much. ., ., ., ., ., so much. if you are at all familiar with the london _ so much. if you are at all familiar with the london skyline, - so much. if you are at all familiar with the london skyline, you - so much. if you are at all familiar with the london skyline, you will| with the london skyline, you will recognise this iconic building. what you might not know is that the bt tower has faced an uncertain future in recent years. but now it's been announced that a hotel company has bought it for £275 million. built in1961t, the bt tower rises 620 feet above the capital. i'm sitting on top of the most noticeable example of britain's new post office. its primary purpose was to revolutionise telecommunications.

why do you need a high tower like this right in the middle of london? the microwave system. the prime minister at the time, harold wilson, opened the building in 1965 by making one such revolutionary call to birmingham. i can see you very clearly on the monitor. next to a man with the word microwave behind him. there was a revolving restaurant on the 34th floor. there's priority in the lift for diners on the way up to the restaurant. there was also a race uo the tower�*s stairs in 1968 because... well, why not? it took it minutes, 46 seconds, by the way. but beneath the surface of excitement lay a world of secrets. the tower�*s role in national security remains cloaked in intrigue. in 1978, a journalist was tried for collecting information about it. during the trial, the judge said the tower could only be referred to as location 23. the tower was also a target.

this bomb was a far more powerful and far more sophisticated device than others used in recent bomb outrages in england. it was just this awful bang. and as i say, it was panic. the restaurant closed shortly after, then all public access stopped in 1981. the london exchanges are overloaded. the stock exchange lines we've had problems with as well. nigel�*s trying to solve those. in the 20005, it got its now famous led lights, announcing everything from scorching hot summer days to the birth of royal offspring. announcing they've sold it, bt said the deal will help preserve the building for decades to come. ross miklashevich, bbc news. there is a history, but what is the future? the charity twentieth century society will be involved in the planning process for the hotel. its director catherine croftjoins us now. catherine, good morning. it's an

iconic building, particularly for londoners who seen it throughout the years and the story of the building, but what does the future hold for it? how do you envisage this, because you will be part of the project? i because you will be part of the ro'ect? ~ �* , because you will be part of the ro'ect? ~ 3 ., , because you will be part of the ro'ect? ~ �*, ., , ., , project? i think it's really early da 5 and project? i think it's really early days and there _ project? i think it's really early days and there is _ project? i think it's really early days and there is no _ project? i think it's really early days and there is no planning i days and there is no planning permission at the moment and the new owners arejust permission at the moment and the new owners are just starting on working out what to do with it and it's going to be really challenging. it has the amazing revolving restaurant at the top but the floors below that are tiny and it's a very narrow stairmand to the building and fitting hotel bedrooms in them will be really challenging —— a very narrow stem to the building. but it's the views. _ narrow stem to the building. but it's the views. it _ narrow stem to the building. but it's the views. it is _ narrow stem to the building. but it's the views. it is a _ narrow stem to the building. but it's the views. it is a complete i it's the views. it is a complete one. it's the views. it is a complete one- we _ it's the views. it is a complete one- we see _ it's the views. it is a complete one. we see the _ it's the views. it is a complete one. we see the pictures - it's the views. it is a complete | one. we see the pictures when it's the views. it is a complete - one. we see the pictures when the messa . es one. we see the pictures when the messages are _ one. we see the pictures when the messages are put _ one. we see the pictures when the messages are put on _ one. we see the pictures when the messages are put on the _ one. we see the pictures when the messages are put on the screen i one. we see the pictures when the messages are put on the screen at| messages are put on the screen at the top. i wonder if there are some things thatjust cannot be compromised? i things thatjust cannot be compromised?— things thatjust cannot be compromised? things thatjust cannot be comromised? ~ . , . compromised? i think that basic silhouette is _

compromised? i think that basic silhouette is crucial. _ compromised? i think that basic silhouette is crucial. the - silhouette is crucial. the extraordinary thing is that when the building was first completed it was the tallest building in london and now it looks minute compared to some of the clusters of towers around the city, there where it is, in bloomsbury, it's still really stands out and you can see that silhouette and it is right, it is something that londoners feel incredibly fond of. it's a realfriend that londoners feel incredibly fond of. it's a real friend and just a very distinctive landmark. i was reminding _ very distinctive landmark. i was reminding myself _ very distinctive landmark. i was reminding myself and _ very distinctive landmark. i was reminding myself and i'd - very distinctive landmark. i was reminding myself and i'd kinda | reminding myself and i'd kinda forgotten about it when that goodies had a kitten climbing up the outside of it and sometimes buildings take on a wider cultural significance when they are incorporated into different things?— when they are incorporated into different things? yes, and with the kitten, it kind _ different things? yes, and with the kitten, it kind of climbs _ different things? yes, and with the kitten, it kind of climbs up - different things? yes, and with the kitten, it kind of climbs up on - different things? yes, and with the kitten, it kind of climbs up on the i kitten, it kind of climbs up on the whole thing keels over, and the whole thing keels over, and the whole point of the building was that it was incredibly robust and

designed to withstand a nuclear attack and hundred mile per hour gales, so i think that was kind of a skit on its part of its brief, that it was designed to be an indestructible part of the communication system, notjust communication system, not just domestic communication system, notjust domestic communication but government security communications. and the shape of it, which you mentioned a few times and we see it in the images here, do we know why it was designed, won the cylinder shape, got narrower and then broadened out. do you know what the logic was? the broadened out. do you know what the lo . ic was? . , broadened out. do you know what the louicwas? , , .,, logic was? the cylinder shape, the main cylinder— logic was? the cylinder shape, the main cylinder is _ logic was? the cylinder shape, the main cylinder is where _ logic was? the cylinder shape, the main cylinder is where the - logic was? the cylinder shape, the main cylinder is where the offices. main cylinder is where the offices and rooms for equipment were and the bit where it narrows down his where they had all the satellite dishes and then the bit at the top is the fun bit with the restaurant on the cocktail bar. so the top bit was designed to make it accessible to get people to come in and enjoy it and celebrate it and the rest was

the working bit. irlat and celebrate it and the rest was the working bit.— and celebrate it and the rest was the working bit. not in the shot we are looking — the working bit. not in the shot we are looking there _ the working bit. not in the shot we are looking there but _ the working bit. not in the shot we are looking there but it _ the working bit. not in the shot we are looking there but it almost - are looking there but it almost looks like the top is slightly top—heavy, doesn't it? looks like the top is slightly top-heavy, doesn't it? maybe that is it, ma be top-heavy, doesn't it? maybe that is it, maybe like _ top-heavy, doesn't it? maybe that is it, maybe like it— top-heavy, doesn't it? maybe that is it, maybe like it shouldn't _ top-heavy, doesn't it? maybe that is it, maybe like it shouldn't work, - it, maybe like it shouldn't work, and yet it does. $5 it, maybe like it shouldn't work, and yet it does.— and yet it does. as part of the twentieth _ and yet it does. as part of the twentieth century _ and yet it does. as part of the twentieth century society, . and yet it does. as part of the | twentieth century society, you and yet it does. as part of the - twentieth century society, you can tell me, and you alluded to it already, bt tower, you would spoty and it could almost be a landmark you could go towards if you were going to that area of london and now it is dwarfed, but how important it is even though they are smaller buildings and might not be as glitzy, it's important that they remain to keep the character of any city or town or any village they are in. ., city or town or any village they are in. . , , . , , ., in. yeah. distinctive buildings that tell specific _ in. yeah. distinctive buildings that tell specific stories _ in. yeah. distinctive buildings that tell specific stories are _ tell specific stories are irreplaceable and it really makes cities feel richer and more enjoyable and enhance notjust the people who live there, their lives, but bring in tourists as well so,

yeah and the buildings and is the 60s and 70s are getting to an age where they need some investment if they are going to survive and be enjoyable places to go with two through the 21st—century. the time is ripe for the post office tower to have a major refurbishment and hopefully it has a new owner who really gets what is special about it. one of the other hotels in the chain is thejfk terminal building which is an extraordinary, almost like a mini sydney opera house, all concrete shells overlapping and the same chain has taken on that building and done a really good job, so that bodes well. good building and done a really good 'ob, so that bodes mmi so that bodes well. good to talk to ou, so that bodes well. good to talk to you. catherine _ so that bodes well. good to talk to you, catherine croft, _ so that bodes well. good to talk to you, catherine croft, director- of the twentieth century society.

paloma faith will be here to tell us how finding her way back to happiness after leaving a long term relationship inspired her latest album. it brings a new meaning to hands—free driving, that video. hello, good morning from bbc london. i'm victoria hollins. schools across london are being called on to do more to create more welcoming environments for all pupils, and to cut down on suspensions and absenteeism. they're being asked to sign up to an "inclusion charter" by the mayor's violence reduction unit, which says children who are not in school are more at risk from crime.

young people who aren't in school, you know, actually, they're much less safe. they're actually much more likely to be caught up in exploitation. unfortunately, they're much more likely to be caught up in violence we know that kids out of school are twice as likely to be carrying a knife. and we know that when we go into a prison, one in two of those prisoners have been excluded. a former met police officer has been convicted of kidnap and multiple counts of rape. 24—year—old cliff mitchell was found guilty of ten counts of rape, three counts of rape of a child under 13 and one count of kidnap, following a trial at croydon crown court yesterday. he was a serving constable in hounslow when a number of offences were committed. the met says mitchell was dismissed from the force in december last year and that it is "doing more than" it has done "in decades to rid the met of those who corrupt" its integrity. a "housing emergency" was declared by crawley council last night. the local authority says their annual costs for temporary accommodation have risen twelve fold in the past five years, and now stands

at around £5.7 million. the authority says there is also a "dire shortage" of permanent accommodation. maternity services at the royal surrey county hospital in guildford have been rated as outstanding. the report by the care quality commission comes after an inspection last september. staffing levels and training in the maternity unit were highly praised. let's take a look at the tubes now. there's a good service on the tubes this morning, although there are minor delays on the central line. now onto the weather with sara. morning. it's going to be a very wet and windy day across the capital today. a storm system named louis by the french metservice is moving across us and we have not one but two met office weather warnings, one for some heavy, persistent rain, especially the further north and west you are. and one for very strong gusty winds as well. we'll see all of that system slowly

tracking away towards the southeast through the day today. behind it, much colder air filtering in with some showers as well for the next few days. here comes the initial rain band, then moving across as squally rain. then the whole system expands a little into this afternoon, keeping that rain pumping towards us. temperatures will have been as high as 11 or 12 celsius, but as the afternoon wears on, those temperatures will start to drop away as colder air digs in and the rain pulls away. then the winds will ease as we go through the night. tonight, we are much colder and clearer. a few showers to start tomorrow morning, but typically it is a lot drier and there will be a different feel to things. much colder with some showers around tomorrow and for the start of the weekend, rain on sunday. that's it — head to our website to find out about the london landmark— the bt tower being turned into a hotel. we're back in half an hour. bye for now

good morning. welcome to breakfast with charlie stayt and naga munchetty. our headlines today... anger, chaos and apologies — the house of commons speaker, sir lindsay hoyle, holds talks with key mps, after a debate on a ceasefire in gaza descended into disorder. where on earth is the speaker of the house of commons? how do we bring him to that seat? eight people have been wounded, three critically, in a shooting in the west bank, east ofjerusalem. from today, bereaved parents in england can apply for government certificates to recognise baby loss before 2a weeks of pregnancy. liverpool seize control again in the race for the premier league title. their lead is back to it points, after they came from behind to thrash luton, at anfield. and johnny vegas joins us to talk about his unlikely venture into the glamping business.

good morning. across northern ireland and scotland, a mix of sunny spells and heavy, potentially thundery showers with hail and wintry over the hills. some heavy rain, squally winds gale force winds fulsome and severe gales over the english channel. it is all going on. the details later on in the programme. it's thursday, the 22nd of february. the commons speaker, sir lindsay hoyle, is expected to hold talks with party leaders after last night's debate on a call for a ceasefire in gaza descended into chaos. more than 30 mps have signed a motion of no confidence in sir lindsay after he broke with convention to allow a vote on a labour amendment to an snp proposal. he later apologised and said he wanted to have a discussion on "what is the best way forward." our deputy political editor vicki young reports. there was confusion.

there were angry demands for the speaker to explain himself. where on earth is the speaker of the house of commons? loud cheering how do we bring him to that seat? and there was a walkout by the snp and conservatives — an unlikely alliance. chaotic scenes in the commons after mps had been debating one of the most serious foreign policy issues of the day. outside parliament, feelings were already running high... chanting: ceasefire now! ..with hundreds of people queuing for hours to lobby their mps. the rules meant the only motion that was being considered was one from the snp, calling for an immediate ceasefire. lots of labour members were tempted to vote for it against their leader's wishes, but that all changed when the speaker, going against official advice, said this. i think it's important on this

occasion that the house is able to consider the widest possible range of options. i have therefore decided to select the amendments both in the name of the prime minister and in the name of the leader of the opposition. furious snp mps felt that was bending the rules to help sir keir starmer out of a sticky situation. now, we completely appear to be doing things in a way that's never been done before. can i ask for your advice, mr speaker? what is the point of an opposition day if it's going to be done like this? later, just before the votes were due to happen, the leader of the commons weighed in. the government will play no further part in the decision this house takes on today's proceedings. i would like to stress that the government's position on israel and gaza remains unchanged. by the time the votes on the ceasefire were being called, there was so much noise, very few could hear what was going on. loud heckling: ayes!

the ayes have it. to the side, watching all this unfold was sir lindsay hoyle, who'd had no choice but to come back to apologise for the mess. i am honest to this house. i am true to this house. i believe in all members of this house and i tried to do... i have tried to do what i thought was the right thing for all sides of this house. it is regrettable and i apologise. all this meant labour avoided another damaging rebellion over gaza and they were happy to defend sir lindsay's decision. the speaker was rightly playing his role. he's there to protect the rights of all mps. he was wanting to ensure the widest possible debate. the serious issue of what's going on in the middle east was debated. it was never going to change uk foreign policy but several mps have said this was an embarrassing

episode for parliament. vicki young, bbc news, westminster. charlie, we have had some news coming in in the last hour or so of an incident in the middle east. that is right. let's take you through what we know so far. in the last hour, we've heard reports that eight people have been wounded — three critically — in a shooting in the west bank. east ofjerusalem. we understand two attackers have been shot dead. we can talk now to our correspondentjenny hill. we know the details are a little sketchy at the moment. take us through the timeline.— sketchy at the moment. take us through the timeline. israeli police sa --eole through the timeline. israeli police say people were — through the timeline. israeli police say people were waiting _ through the timeline. israeli police say people were waiting in - through the timeline. israeli police say people were waiting in their i say people were waiting in their cars, stuck in a trafficjam near a checkpoint on the road near this

west bank area intojerusalem when three gun men, armed with automatic weapons, got out of their vehicle and began to shoot. we now understand that one person has died. details are only reallyjust beginning to emerge. it is less than a week since two people were killed in another shooting in southern israel. of course, the war in gaza is exacerbating existing volatility in the west bank and all across the region. combined with the humanitarian cost of this war, it is one of the reasons the international community is so keen to find a solution. we are seeing peace talks continuing behind—the—scenes talks aimed at brokering not only a temporary ceasefire but the release of israeli hostages. today the us's most senior middle east expert and

adviser is due in israel fought talks that are continuing. it is hard to describe it as a glimmer of optimism. if you look at what one of the ministers in israel's will happen is saying, he says there are the first indications of a possibility towards progress in those talks. that is just about as optimistic as you can get at this stage. the uk has air—dropped aid into gaza for the first time since war began after striking a deal withjordan. four tonnes of supplies, including medicines, food and fuel were delivered into gaza on a jordanian air force plane yesterday. our middle east correspondent quentin sommerville was on the plane. morning to you. take us through this plight. what was delivered? what were the logistics? hate plight. what was delivered? what

were the logistics?— were the logistics? we left here last niuht were the logistics? we left here last nightjust — were the logistics? we left here last nightjust before _ were the logistics? we left here last nightjust before sundown. | were the logistics? we left here | last nightjust before sundown. it does not take long to fly from a to gaza, about a 45 minute flight. we were very high up and had to put on oxygen. there were four large pallets, for the first time british aid being dropped into the gaza strip. we have sent it by truck and see but never... thejordanians have been doing this for months now. it contains generator fuel, been doing this for months now. it contains generatorfuel, critical medical supplies and also ration packs for patients and medical staff. the jordanian packs for patients and medical staff. thejordanian military hospital in the gaza strip. they aim for very small targets in northern gaza. it has now been turned into a wasteland. there are still 300,000 palestinian people surviving, struggling to survive. most of the population driven out. they are in

desperate need. the need is so bad. the situation on the ground is too violent and too chaotic and it can no longer deliver. these airdrops are pretty much one of the few options left in getting help to those people in gaza.- options left in getting help to those people in gaza. thank you very much. from today, bereaved parents in england can apply for official certificates to mark the loss of a baby before 2a weeks of pregnancy. the documents are intended to help families cope with grief, as tim muffett reports. we have our little jack and aj. sometimes it does feel like it's alljust been a bad dream. and it's like i need something — to know that it was real, they did exist. nat has a healthy two—year—old daughter but, before she was born, nat lost three babies during pregnancy. i lost my first son in 2019 at 20 weeks. we lost our daughter sophie in 2020 at 38 weeks. and then in my third pregnancy,

i found out that i'd lost my little girl's twin at about five weeks. until now, the loss of a baby in england before 2a weeks gestation hasn't been officially recognised. it was hard. so whilst nat received a death certificate for sophie, who she lost at 38 weeks, there was nothing for aj and jack. my worry is we were always going to leave this world and apart from the few family and friends that do acknowledge them, that they'd be forgotten. from today in england, parents who've lost a baby before 2a weeks' gestation will be able to apply for a certificate free of charge. the voluntary scheme will be available to those who have experienced the loss since the 1st of september 2018. we know that there'll be lots of people, who had losses prior to that date, who will possibly want one of these certificates, too. we can understand, you know, that these things are complicated. you know, there's potentially so many people, who will want these things,

so they need to make sure that the systems are robust and that people can get it and test those systems. but we do... we desperately do want to see it extended to losses previous to that date. the change follows years of work from campaigners — including actress kym marsh. i was 21 weeks five days pregnant when i went into labour and lost my son, sadly. one of the most upsetting things for me was the fact that there was no record of him ever being here. i lost sophie. nat was able to take part in a trial scheme, which is why she already has her certificate. what difference do you think this will make for many families? it will make a huge difference for so many families. it's that extra connection to their babies. i've got friends in the lost community that had their babies born at 23 plus five, so a matter of two days and they have nothing to show for their little one. and that breaks their heart.

the impact of the certificates on nat has already been profound. so, no, they're never going to be forgotten. tim muffett, bbc news. companies have been told they should make workplace adjustments for women going through the menopause, including relaxing uniform policies and offering working from home on warm days. the equality and human rights commission guidance also states that using language that ridicules someone because of their menopausal symptoms could be harassment. king charles has revealed he's been reduced to tears by the messages of support since he was diagnosed with cancer. he was speaking to the prime minister rishi sunak in his first face—to—face audience since his diagnosis was made public. our royal correspondent daniela relph reports. the prime minister, your majesty. good evening, your majesty. they usually meet every week, but it's been a disrupted start to the year.

wonderful to see you looking so well. well, it's all done by mirrors. well, we're... we're all behind you. the country is behind you. i've had so many wonderful messages and cards. ican imagine. reduced me to tears, most of the time. clearly moved by the public�*s good wishes, this was a hint of normal royal business for the king. the audience with the prime minister has been an important moment. a sign that the king is coping well with his cancer treatment and can still do those core duties. it's now three weeks since the king left hospital, after treatment for a prostate condition. it was during his stay here that his cancer was discovered. he's not expected to return to a full schedule of engagements for several months. the audience lasted around 45 minutes, during which the king also recognised how going public with his diagnosis had highlighted the work of cancer charities — many of which have him as a patron.

daniela relph, bbc news, buckingham palace. a drone sent to film parts of antarctica that have never been mapped before has taken to the air over the continent for the first time. the drone was specifically built to withstand tough environments, and it's hoped the information it gathers can be used to help forecast the impact of climate change. these images could not be seen from the air previously. it is going to be cold, not as cold as that. carol will get to that. beautiful picture behind you. will get to that. beautiful picture behind you-— will get to that. beautiful picture behind ou. ., , , will get to that. beautiful picture behind ou. ., ,

behind you. good morning. this is a icture of behind you. good morning. this is a picture of norfolk _ behind you. good morning. this is a picture of norfolk taken _ behind you. good morning. this is a picture of norfolk taken earlier. - behind you. good morning. this is a picture of norfolk taken earlier. it i picture of norfolk taken earlier. it is dry with the beautiful sunrise. that will change when rain is not too far away. there is heavy and persistent rain with squally winds across england and wales, scotland and northern ireland. the showers could be fairly potent and it is turning colder than it has been this is the band of rain crossing england and wales at the moment. it split into two. again, squally winds around with gales from severe gales at times through the english channel, the straits ofjoe that and the coast of east anglia. it will brighten up behind it. full scotland and northern ireland we will have sunny spells from the start of the day but there will be potent showers. later on in the day some of that could get down to lower levels in the north west of scotland. these

are the temperatures, 49 degrees. this is when a friend this evening and overnight clears away. there will be clear skies around. —— this weather front. will be clear skies around. —— this weatherfront. most will be clear skies around. —— this weather front. most of the winteriness in the showers will be over the hills. where we have clear skies is where we will have the lowest temperatures. in the north we are likely to see a touch of frost. watch out for ice on untreated surfaces as well. tomorrow is quieter but still a day of sunshine and showers, some of those wintry over the hills but still feeling cool over the hills but still feeling cool. temperatures closer to where they should be at this stage in february. hate they should be at this stage in februa . ~ ., they should be at this stage in februa . ~ . , , ., ,, february. we have been spoilt. thank ou. we've heard many stories recently about a shortage of medications for common conditions such as asthma, adhd, diabetes and the menopause — now there's a warning that some of the drugs used to treat epilepsy,

are also in short supply. charities say a lack of stock is leaving an increasing number of those living with the condition struggling to access what they need — with potentially serious consequences. charlie rose has more. if you're an epilepsy patient, accessing the right medication can be a matter of life and death. i didn't know, a of the ticking time bomb of a fit coming, or b, mentally it would affect me, how it would affect me. iwas... well, i was a wreck. wendy had to travel from her home in cheshire to find the medicine she desperately needs from a chemist 75 miles away. i found some in wakefield, so i called that pharmacist and i said, "can you put my name down on them? can you hold them for me until i can get a prescription to you?" and they said they would,

which was very nice of them. and by 2 o'clock, my nerves were just shot. epilepsy is a serious neurological condition, affecting more than half a million people in the uk — many of whom rely on being able to access the same medication day in, day out. phil is one of them, but he says recently he's been having up to two seizures a week after he was given a generic unbranded version of his usual pills. with epilepsy, you can't keep mixing and matching and changing the types because, well, sort of fundamentally, all the ingredients is the same. how they process in your body and your brain isn't the same. i have a nocturnalform of epilepsy. you're sort of going to bed worrying what's going to happen at night. you read about stories where people don't wake up. and i think my wife touched on that. she's always concerned

about it as well. so it makes it really importantjust to keep it all under control. if there's anything stressful happening, it's more likely that phil will have more fits. so worrying about him being stressed about getting the medication is... it's an extra layer of stress. epilepsy charities say more and more people are having difficulty accessing medication. some of the reasons for this may be problems of supply of the basic- product to produce drugs. so we need to probably think. about a strategic drug reserve. so for this sort of- things not to happen, because this really affects the life of many people. l the department for health and social care told us issues of this kind affect not only the uk and it's working with the pharmaceutical industry, the nhs and others to improve the supply of epilepsy medications as quickly as possible. but industry experts are warning of a shortage in many other medicines, including drugs

to treat parkinson's, asthma and diabetes. they're blaming the uk's pricing strategy in an increasingly competitive global market. for now, it seems there's no end in sight for the stress and anxiety phil and many others are facing over the supply of their life—saving drugs. itjust feels like people are playing god with my medical condition and i've got no control over what i'm going to get next for my medication. so, yeah, it's a really sort of worrying time at the moment. charlie rose, bbc news. we're joined now by clare pelham, chief executive of the epilepsy society, alongside thorrun govind, pharmacist and health care lawyer. good morning to you both. you know exactly from the people you work

with how epilepsy can impact life and how manageable most epilepsy is, most epileptic conditions are. when this happens there are consequences that are even more far—reaching than just... i say that not with any trite nurse, thanjust the physical effects. trite nurse, than 'ust the physical effects. ., , , , ., effects. completely. it is not understood _ effects. completely. it is not understood that _ effects. completely. it is not understood that one - effects. completely. it is not understood that one in - effects. completely. it is not understood that one in 100 i effects. completely. it is not - understood that one in 100 others have epilepsy. in every school year, in every workplace, probably there will be somebody. two thirds of us have seizures under control. many people with epilepsy do not own up to having it. people with epilepsy do not own up to having it— to having it. because of stigma? because of— to having it. because of stigma? because of stigma, _ to having it. because of stigma? because of stigma, they - to having it. because of stigma? because of stigma, they are - because of stigma, they are frightened it will affect employability and promotion. unfortunately, when we get to a drug shortages problem is we are in today, the anxiety about a drug shortage can, in itself, cause a seizure. so they are outed against

their will in the workplace. if there is one really depressing side—effect of the drug shortage, it is that stigma against people with epilepsy may increase. i was watchinu epilepsy may increase. i was watching you _ epilepsy may increase. i was watching you listening - epilepsy may increase. i was watching you listening to - epilepsy may increase. i wasj watching you listening to the epilepsy may increase. i was - watching you listening to the film a moment ago, phil was detailing his story and trying to get the correct drugs, taking other drugs. his wife mandy was talking about that as well. even a sign, they should not be happening. it well. even a sign, they should not be happening-— well. even a sign, they should not be happening. it really should not. we have had _ be happening. it really should not. we have had people _ be happening. it really should not. we have had people ringing - be happening. it really should not. we have had people ringing up - be happening. it really should not. we have had people ringing up a i we have had people ringing up a helpline in tears because they are so anxious about the drug shortages, they do not know where to turn and where to find them. we had one lady who had driven 160 miles to get her prescription fulfilled. another chap with a full—time job and without a lot of money spent £50 on a cab to go round separate pharmacies to try

to get the drugs he needs. it is so important for lifestyles and happiness. important for lifestyles and happiness-— important for lifestyles and hauiness. ., , ., , ., , happiness. you will be at the sharp end of this- — happiness. you will be at the sharp end of this. presumably, _ happiness. you will be at the sharp end of this. presumably, people i happiness. you will be at the sharp | end of this. presumably, people are calling you asking for medication. i have had patients breaking down in the pharmacy about access to medication. this shortages issue is now part _ medication. this shortages issue is now part of— medication. this shortages issue is now part of our day to day. we are spending _ now part of our day to day. we are spending an— now part of our day to day. we are spending an extra 11 hours in pharmacies across the country trying to locate _ pharmacies across the country trying to locate medication. with epilepsy, there _ to locate medication. with epilepsy, there is— to locate medication. with epilepsy, there is a _ to locate medication. with epilepsy, there is a very specific concern. patients — there is a very specific concern. patients who suffer with epilepsy need _ patients who suffer with epilepsy need to— patients who suffer with epilepsy need to be maintained on specific brands _ need to be maintained on specific brands of— need to be maintained on specific brands of medication. is to do with bioavailability, just about the active — bioavailability, just about the active drug getting into the body. that is— active drug getting into the body. that is a — active drug getting into the body. that is a specific concern with epilepsy. _ that is a specific concern with epilepsy. shortages are causing problems. it is hard to know how to manage _ problems. it is hard to know how to manage medication if you do not know when the _ manage medication if you do not know when the next supply will be coming

in. ., ~ , when the next supply will be coming in. . ~' , ., when the next supply will be coming in. . ~ , ., ., when the next supply will be coming in. take us through a scenario. if ou are in. take us through a scenario. if you are in _ in. take us through a scenario. if you are in the — in. take us through a scenario. if you are in the pharmacy - in. take us through a scenario. if you are in the pharmacy and - you are in the pharmacy and someone comes in and you do not have the drugs they need. what do you do? what do you do next?— what do you do next? since 2019, there has been _ what do you do next? since 2019, there has been a _ what do you do next? since 2019, there has been a serious - what do you do next? since 2019, there has been a serious shortage j there has been a serious shortage protocot — there has been a serious shortage protocol. that has been something from the _ protocol. that has been something from the department of health and social— from the department of health and social care and legislature meaning we are _ social care and legislature meaning we are able to provide a substitution or alternative. there are no— substitution or alternative. there are no serious shortage of protocols at the _ are no serious shortage of protocols at the moment, which is ludicrous, considering — at the moment, which is ludicrous, considering there are 100 drugs in shortage _ considering there are 100 drugs in shortage this month. considering there are100 drugs in shortage this month.— considering there are 100 drugs in shortage this month. sorry. step me throu~h shortage this month. sorry. step me through this- — shortage this month. sorry. step me through this. you _ shortage this month. sorry. step me through this. you are _ shortage this month. sorry. step me through this. you are not _ shortage this month. sorry. step me through this. you are not allowed . shortage this month. sorry. step me through this. you are not allowed to| through this. you are not allowed to hand over alternative drugs that might help, although they are not correct. you are not allowed to do that. ., , ., .. ., correct. you are not allowed to do that. ., , ., ., , ., that. now. if your medication is a 40 mt that. now. if your medication is a 40 mg medication, _ that. now. if your medication is a 40 mg medication, i— that. now. if your medication is a 40 mg medication, i cannot - that. now. if your medication is a i 40 mg medication, i cannot provide you with _ 40 mg medication, i cannot provide you with two 20 mg, to add up to the

correct _ you with two 20 mg, to add up to the correct dose — you with two 20 mg, to add up to the correct dose you need. if you need tablets _ correct dose you need. if you need tablets and — correct dose you need. if you need tablets and i have captured, i cannot— tablets and i have captured, i cannot provide you with the alternative because i am not allowed to do so _ alternative because i am not allowed to do so. the current scenario, unless— to do so. the current scenario, unless there are serious shortages protocols— unless there are serious shortages protocols in place, we had to send you back— protocols in place, we had to send you back to— protocols in place, we had to send you back to the doctor and the doctor— you back to the doctor and the doctor has— you back to the doctor and the doctor has to write a prescription for you _ doctor has to write a prescription for you to — doctor has to write a prescription for you to come back in for us to provide — for you to come back in for us to provide that _ for you to come back in for us to provide that medication. presumably the argument _ provide that medication. presumably the argument is _ provide that medication. presumably the argument is to _ provide that medication. presumably the argument is to protect _ provide that medication. presumably the argument is to protect the - the argument is to protect the patient. that is why the protocols exist in the first place. as you describe them out when they are not helpful but there is a reason they are there in the first place. absolutely. the position we are in was completely avoided in the preparations for brexit. while we were making contingency plans for brexit, in combination with the department of health, drugs manufacturers agreed to have a six—week rolling supply so we never ran out of the most important drugs.

what we suspect, it is a suspicion not evidence, they have reverted to just—in—time delivery. rather than spending money on warehousing supplies, which would protect the patient, they are looking at the bottom line. it is cheaper to providejust—in—time bottom line. it is cheaper to provide just—in—time drugs. bottom line. it is cheaper to providejust—in—time drugs. did provide 'ust-in-time drugs. did brexit providejust—in—time drugs. did brexit help? provide just-in-time drugs. did brexit help? they _ provide just-in-time drugs. did brexit help? they contingency. provide just-in-time drugs. did - brexit help? they contingency plan worked really _ brexit help? they contingency plan worked really well. _ brexit help? they contingency plan worked really well. if _ brexit help? they contingency plan worked really well. if the _ worked really well. if the department of health could work with manufacturers to bring back that sort of contingency planning, that would resolve the problem. what would resolve the problem. what could someone _ would resolve the problem. what could someone do _ would resolve the problem. what could someone do today? - would resolve the problem. what could someone do today? the . could someone do today? the department — could someone do today? the department of _ could someone do today? the department of health needs could someone do today? “iie: department of health needs to could someone do today? i“ie: department of health needs to speak to drug manufacturers along that line. forthe to drug manufacturers along that line. for the individual person, do not become stress, try to keep calm and plan ahead. that not become stress, try to keep calm and plan ahead-— and plan ahead. that sounds patronising. _ and plan ahead. that sounds patronising. i— and plan ahead. that sounds patronising, i want - and plan ahead. that sounds patronising, i want to - and plan ahead. that sounds patronising, i want to aid - and plan ahead. that sounds. patronising, i want to aid with this. telling someone to keep calm and don't become stressed, the reason for doing this is because

anxiety can become a trigger. the last thing we _ anxiety can become a trigger. i“ie: last thing we want anxiety can become a trigger. iie: last thing we want is anxiety can become a trigger. i“ie: last thing we want is anxiety about a shortage triggering a seizure. there is help and support on our helpline, accessed through epilepsy society .org.uk. give yourself a week in hand before tablets run out. is a real worry there will be a loss of life because of this? —— is there a real worry? of life because of this? -- is there a real worry?— of life because of this? -- is there a real worry? a realworry? seizures can happen. it will a realworry? seizures can happen. it will happen- _ a realworry? seizures can happen. it will happen. is _ a realworry? seizures can happen. it will happen. is there _ a realworry? seizures can happen. it will happen. is there a _ a realworry? seizures can happen. it will happen. is there a concern i it will happen. is there a concern for loss of— it will happen. is there a concern for loss of life? _ it will happen. is there a concern for loss of life? for— it will happen. is there a concern for loss of life? for every - it will happen. is there a concern | for loss of life? for every person, not bein: for loss of life? for every person, not being able — for loss of life? for every person, not being able to _ for loss of life? for every person, not being able to have _ for loss of life? for every person, not being able to have drugs - for loss of life? for every person, not being able to have drugs theyj not being able to have drugs they need,it not being able to have drugs they need, it is a crisis. very rarely it

can be a fatal crisis.— need, it is a crisis. very rarely it can be a fatal crisis. thank you for our time can be a fatal crisis. thank you for your time this _ can be a fatal crisis. thank you for your time this morning. _ time now to get the news, travel and weather where you are. hello, good morning from bbc london. i'm victoria hollins. schools across london are being called on to do more to create more welcoming environments for all pupils, and to cut down on suspensions and absenteeism. they're being asked to sign up to an 'inclusion charter�* by the mayor's violence reduction unit, which says children who are not in school are more at risk from crime. young people who aren't in school, you know, actually, they're much less safe. they're actually much more likely to be caught up in exploitation. unfortunately, they're much more likely to be caught up in violence we know that kids out of school are twice as likely to be carrying a knife. and we know that when we go into a prison, one in two of those prisoners have been excluded. a former met police officer has been convicted of kidnap and multiple counts of rape. 24—year—old cliff mitchell was found guilty of 10 counts of rape, three counts of rape of a child

under 13 and one count of kidnap, following a trial at croydon crown court yesterday. he was a serving constable in hounslow when a number of offences were committed. the met says mitchell was dismissed from the force in december last year and that it is "doing more than" it has done "in decades to rid the met of those who corrupt" its integrity, the london assembly is due to vote on mayor 5 final budget today at city hall. sadiq khan will present his final draft to members for a final vote on the financial plans. it includes the budget for the metropolitan police, the fire service and transport for london. maternity services at the royal surrey county hospital in guildford have been rated as outstanding. the report by the care quality commission comes after an inspection last september. staffing levels and training in the maternity unit were highly praised. let's take a look at the tubes now. there's a good service

on the tubes this morning although there are minor delays on the central line. morning. it's going to be a very wet and windy day across the capital today. a storm system named louis by the french metservice is moving across us and we have not one but two met office weather warnings, one for some heavy, persistent rain, especially the further north and west you are, and one for very strong, gusty winds as well. we'll see all of that system slowly tracking away towards the southeast through the day today. behind it, much colder airfiltering in with some showers as well for the next few days. here comes the initial rain band, then moving across a squally rain. then the whole system expands a little into this afternoon, keeping that rain pumping towards us. temperatures will have been as high as 11 or 12 celsius, but as the afternoon wears on, those temperatures will start to drop away as colder air digs in and the rain pulls away. then the winds will ease as we go through the night. tonight, we are much colder and clearer. a few showers to start tomorrow

morning, but typically it is a lot drier and there will be a different feel to things. much colder with some showers around tomorrow and for the start of the weekend, rain on sunday. that's it — head to our website to find out about the london landmark, the bt tower being turned into a hotel. we're back in half an hour. bye for now. hello, this is breakfast with charlie stayt and naga munchetty. it's more than five years since the 21—year—old university student libby squire went on a night out with herfriends and never came home. libby was raped and murdered by pawel relowicz, who had a history of indecent exposure and voyeurism. now, libby's mum, lisa, is calling for offences like these to be taken more seriously. lisa joins us now.

good morning, lisa, and thank you for your time. tell us about the areas that you think are relevant for what happened so sadly to your daughter and what we are talking about now?— daughter and what we are talking about now? ~ ., ., . ., , about now? when pawel relowicz was arrested in connection _ about now? when pawel relowicz was arrested in connection with _ about now? when pawel relowicz was arrested in connection with her - arrested in connection with her disappearance, they took his dna and put it through the database and it came _ put it through the database and it came up— put it through the database and it came up with all of these unsolved noncontact— came up with all of these unsolved noncontact sexual offences and he was eventually charged with 13 of them, _ was eventually charged with 13 of them, and some of them had been reported _ them, and some of them had been reported and some hadn't, so now we are saying _ reported and some hadn't, so now we are saying that the government and everybody _ are saying that the government and everybody needs to take noncontact sexual— everybody needs to take noncontact sexual offences as the red flags that they— sexual offences as the red flags that they are and the serious crime that they are and the serious crime that they— that they are and the serious crime that they are. so that they are and the serious crime that they are-— that they are and the serious crime that they are. so that was then. do

ou see that they are. so that was then. do you see anything — that they are. so that was then. do you see anything happening - you see anything happening differently in the way things are being treated or talked about? yes. being treated or talked about? yes, i think so. being treated or talked about? yes, i think so- i — being treated or talked about? yes, i think so- i go _ being treated or talked about? yes, i think so. i go into _ being treated or talked about? yes, i think so. i go into schools and talk— i think so. i go into schools and talk to— i think so. i go into schools and talk to young people about what happened to libby and i say to girls and boys, _ happened to libby and i say to girls and boys, if— happened to libby and i say to girls and boys, if this happens to you, you must— and boys, if this happens to you, you must report it and i speak to a lot of— you must report it and i speak to a lot of police — you must report it and i speak to a lot of police and the police want to know, _ lot of police and the police want to know. and — lot of police and the police want to know, and there is a change, and they— know, and there is a change, and they are — know, and there is a change, and they are beginning to realise how serious _ they are beginning to realise how serious these offences are and some of them _ serious these offences are and some of them can— serious these offences are and some of them can be gateway crimes. you ave of them can be gateway crimes. you gave evidence _ of them can be gateway crimes. gm. gave evidence at the home affairs committee yesterday. what were you telling them? you were talking about libby, but what were you telling them in orderfor them to libby, but what were you telling them in order for them to take this as an issue and moving forwards? i told them about what happened to libby and — told them about what happened to libby and the fact that his crimes and an— libby and the fact that his crimes and an 18 — libby and the fact that his crimes and an 18 month period ramped up from _ and an 18 month period ramped up from what — and an 18 month period ramped up from what people would call low level— from what people would call low level of— from what people would call low level of voyeurism to some really quite _ level of voyeurism to some really quite horrible things he did, even

the weekend before he killed her, so i the weekend before he killed her, so i was _ the weekend before he killed her, so i was raising — the weekend before he killed her, so i was raising awareness about that and saying — i was raising awareness about that and saying that we need to have proper— and saying that we need to have proper sentences and help for these people _ proper sentences and help for these people in— proper sentences and help for these people in treatment services and there's— people in treatment services and there's not much research and data into the _ there's not much research and data into the amount of noncontact sexual offenders _ into the amount of noncontact sexual offenders who go on to become rapists — offenders who go on to become raists. , ., .,, offenders who go on to become raists. , ., ., rapists. there is almost that narrative. — rapists. there is almost that narrative, it _ rapists. there is almost that narrative, it was _ rapists. there is almost that narrative, it was just - rapists. there is almost that narrative, it wasjust a - rapists. there is almost that narrative, it wasjust a look, rapists. there is almost that - narrative, it wasjust a look, how can i report that? what do i say, he or they made me feel old? libby herself had her own experience in november before she was killed. she did, and she rang me and she was furious _ did, and she rang me and she was furious that — did, and she rang me and she was furious that she had been walking home _ furious that she had been walking home when somebody had exposed himself— home when somebody had exposed himself to _ home when somebody had exposed himself to her and we were on the phone _ himself to her and we were on the phone for— himself to her and we were on the phone for about an hour and i calmed her down _ phone for about an hour and i calmed her down and i said, are you 0k, do you want— her down and i said, are you 0k, do you want me— her down and i said, are you 0k, do you want me to get you and she said she was— you want me to get you and she said she was fine — you want me to get you and she said she was fine and finished the conversation and i didn't think to tell her_ conversation and i didn't think to tell her to — conversation and i didn't think to tell her to go and report it to the police _ tell her to go and report it to the police because i didn't know better

then _ police because i didn't know better then. ., , police because i didn't know better then. . , ., ., then. that is the thing. how do you make it, like _ then. that is the thing. how do you make it, like the _ then. that is the thing. how do you make it, like the message - then. that is the thing. how do you make it, like the message now - make it, like the message now compared to say 30 years ago that it's not a right to pinch somebody�*s bottom, but how do you make that the narrative that if someone deliberately makes you feel uncomfortable and you know they are doing it and they know that you know they are doing it, so how do you make that narrative and everyday narrative and an everyday procedure that you go to the police and you know it will be listened to? i think it's very much _ know it will be listened to? i think it's very much about _ know it will be listened to? i think it's very much about education, i know it will be listened to? i think it's very much about education, to keep— it's very much about education, to keep doing — it's very much about education, to keep doing things like this and keep putting _ keep doing things like this and keep putting it _ keep doing things like this and keep putting it out there for schools, when _ putting it out there for schools, when they— putting it out there for schools, when they are talking in their lessons — when they are talking in their lessons to say that these behaviours are not— lessons to say that these behaviours are not ok — lessons to say that these behaviours are not ok. for parents to say to their— are not ok. for parents to say to their children, it happens to you, you must— their children, it happens to you, you must report it. we have to talk about _ you must report it. we have to talk about it _ you must report it. we have to talk about it more. and you must report it. we have to talk about it more-— about it more. and knowing the re ”ortin about it more. and knowing the reporting process _ about it more. and knowing the reporting process is _ about it more. and knowing the reporting process is not - about it more. and knowing the reporting process is not as - reporting process is not as intimidating and will be taken seriously. intimidating and will be taken seriousl . ., ., seriously. you can report online. you don't _ seriously. you can report online. you don't have _ seriously. you can report online. you don't have to _ seriously. you can report online. you don't have to have _ seriously. you can report online. you don't have to have a - you don't have to have a conversation with a police officer if you _ conversation with a police officer if you don't — conversation with a police officer if you don't want to. the police are

not going _ if you don't want to. the police are not going to — if you don't want to. the police are not going to go out and catch the person— not going to go out and catch the person that night, that's impossible, but they have the data and they— impossible, but they have the data and they need to know where it was, when _ and they need to know where it was, when it— and they need to know where it was, when it was — and they need to know where it was, when it was, and they have the baseline — when it was, and they have the baseline there so they can work with that _ baseline there so they can work with that and _ baseline there so they can work with that and if— baseline there so they can work with that. and if there is a repeat, they can go— that. and if there is a repeat, they can go out— that. and if there is a repeat, they can go out and investigate it. but i think— can go out and investigate it. but i think it's _ can go out and investigate it. but i think it's making sure that girls know— think it's making sure that girls know they— think it's making sure that girls know they can do this and should do this. ., ., “ know they can do this and should do this. ., ., ~ ., , ., �* this. lisa, looking at this, and i'm careful around _ this. lisa, looking at this, and i'm careful around the _ this. lisa, looking at this, and i'm careful around the terminology, i this. lisa, looking at this, and i'm i careful around the terminology, the lower level, what is the phrase i should use?— lower level, what is the phrase i should use?_ but i lower level, what is the phrase i i should use?_ but the should use? sex offences. but the lower end- — should use? sex offences. but the lower end- say _ should use? sex offences. but the lower end. say you _ should use? sex offences. but the lower end. say you have _ should use? sex offences. but the lower end. say you have a - should use? sex offences. but the l lower end. say you have a daughter in the school and a boy in the school sends them an explicit image. that is wrong, ok, and it's literally itself an offence. but in the same breath, that child who has

been sent the message might be concerned that by raising it officially or reporting it to the police they are going to get someone into serious trouble when maybe, and i'm being very careful, where they think it's not such a bad thing. and i'm not trying to say it's not a bad thing. and that's difficult, isn't it, because you know there can be consequences that should happen. that you don't want to escalate it beyond where it should be. do you understand my question? i'm not trying to trivialise it remotely trying to trivialise it remotely trying to trivialise it remotely trying to deal with is in a practical sense about the concern somebody might have and why they might not escalate it. i somebody might have and why they might not escalate it.— might not escalate it. i completely aet might not escalate it. i completely net that might not escalate it. i completely get that and _ might not escalate it. i completely get that and it _ might not escalate it. i completely get that and it would _ might not escalate it. i completely get that and it would be _ might not escalate it. i completely get that and it would be very - get that and it would be very difficult _ get that and it would be very difficult for the school, if it's a classmate, they have to rob alongside that classmates however many _ alongside that classmates however many years but it is still wrong, so actually, _ many years but it is still wrong, so actually, if— many years but it is still wrong, so actually, if you didn't report it, what _ actually, if you didn't report it, what happens if that boy does it

again— what happens if that boy does it again and — what happens if that boy does it again and again and then it escalates over the years? that is therefor— escalates over the years? that is therefor saying the woman shouldn't report— therefor saying the woman shouldn't report it _ therefor saying the woman shouldn't report it but the boy has done something wrong. i�*m report it but the boy has done something wrong. report it but the boy has done somethin: wronu. �* , ., something wrong. i'm genuinely not -auttin that something wrong. i'm genuinely not putting that forward. _ something wrong. i'm genuinely not putting that forward. i _ something wrong. i'm genuinely not putting that forward. i get _ something wrong. i'm genuinely not putting that forward. i get it's - putting that forward. i get it's really hard- — putting that forward. i get it's really hard. as _ putting that forward. i get it's really hard. as to _ putting that forward. i get it's really hard. as to jumping - putting that forward. i get it's really hard. as to jumping on | putting that forward. i get it's - really hard. as to jumping on this, really hard. as to 'umping on this, so ou really hard. as to 'umping on this, so you rs — really hard. as to 'umping on this, so you to or _ really hard. as to jumping on this, so you are 13 or 14 _ really hard. as to jumping on this, so you are 13 or 14 and _ really hard. as to jumping on this, so you are 13 or 14 and a _ really hard. as to jumping on this, so you are 13 or 14 and a boy - really hard. as to jumping on this, so you are 13 or 14 and a boy does| so you are 13 or 14 and a boy does this, and they are a boy, and they are absolutely wrong, misguided, but should they then be put on a register there and then? that is the fear that you could ruin somebody�*s life of them doing something utterly stupid as a young persons mistake. i think the authorities would look at that in_ think the authorities would look at that in that case, and think, actually, _ that in that case, and think, actually, he's a young boy, we will sort him _ actually, he's a young boy, we will sort him out, we will have a word and hopefully that would be enough to stop _ and hopefully that would be enough to stop it, _ and hopefully that would be enough to stop it, but it can't go unrecognised, that is my point. and a lot of this — unrecognised, that is my point. fific a lot of this argument comes unrecognised, that is my point. ric a lot of this argument comes down to phones in schools. yes a lot of this argument comes down to phones in schools.— phones in schools. yes and parents. where are you _ phones in schools. yes and parents. where are you question _ phones in schools. yes and parents. where are you question me - phones in schools. yes and parents.

where are you question me because phones in schools. yes and parents. i where are you question me because we had the education secretary about the proposals for guidance in terms of phones in schools? i the proposals for guidance in terms of phones in schools?— of phones in schools? i don't think they should _ of phones in schools? i don't think they should be _ of phones in schools? i don't think they should be able _ of phones in schools? i don't think they should be able to _ of phones in schools? i don't think they should be able to have - of phones in schools? i don't think they should be able to have their. they should be able to have their phones _ they should be able to have their phones on — they should be able to have their phones on during school hours. i don't _ phones on during school hours. i don't know— phones on during school hours. i don't know if i would go as far as banning — don't know if i would go as far as banning them off the premises, but children— banning them off the premises, but children should be told or young people _ children should be told or young people should be told you are coming to school— people should be told you are coming to school at _ people should be told you are coming to school at 830, phones on and you can have _ to school at 830, phones on and you can have it _ to school at 830, phones on and you can have it back at 330. is it directly linked _ can have it back at 330. is it directly linked to _ can have it back at 330. is it directly linked to social - can have it back at 330. i3 i directly linked to social media because of the access, and the bullying and the sending of images? absolutely. i know at my children's school _ absolutely. i know at my children's school if _ absolutely. i know at my children's school if they are found with their phone _ school if they are found with their phone on— school if they are found with their phone on during a lesson they have the phone — phone on during a lesson they have the phone taken away and they get it back at— the phone taken away and they get it back at the _ the phone taken away and they get it back at the end of the day. it's not up back at the end of the day. it's not up to— back at the end of the day. it's not up to schools, it's up to parents to reinforce _ up to schools, it's up to parents to reinforce it — up to schools, it's up to parents to reinforce it. you cannot have your phone _ reinforce it. you cannot have your phone if— reinforce it. you cannot have your phone if i— reinforce it. you cannot have your phone. if i find you happy and your phone _ phone. if i find you happy and your phone during the day, i will take it, phone during the day, i will take it. which— phone during the day, i will take it, which i've done before —— i phi find _ it, which i've done before —— i phi find you _ it, which i've done before —— i phi find you have _ it, which i've done before —— i phi find you have had your phone. in find you have had your phone. relation to find you have had your phone. i"i relation to how schools run in find you have had your phone. ii relation to how schools run in real time, and they have their own policy on the school and it works. this is a slightly different notion, the notion that they are required to is

a slightly different thing. do you think that is helpful or do you think that is helpful or do you think you should leave it to head teachers who know how to make things work? ii it teachers who know how to make things work? . , , ., ., work? if it was up to me i would leave it to _ work? if it was up to me i would leave it to head _ work? if it was up to me i would leave it to head teachers - work? if it was up to me i would | leave it to head teachers and ask the parents to support the head teachers — the parents to support the head teachers decision. that would be me. it is teachers decision. that would be me. it is using _ teachers decision. that would be me. it is using a _ teachers decision. that would be me. it is using a sledgehammer to crack a nut, _ it is using a sledgehammer to crack a nut, really. in my experience, we haven't_ a nut, really. in my experience, we haven't had — a nut, really. in my experience, we haven't had a — a nut, really. in my experience, we haven't had a huge problem with it in my— haven't had a huge problem with it in my children's school, but i don't think— in my children's school, but i don't think they— in my children's school, but i don't think they should have phones during the school— think they should have phones during the school day. think they should have phones during the school day-— the school day. always good to talk to ou. it the school day. always good to talk to you- it is — the school day. always good to talk to you- it is a _ the school day. always good to talk to you. it is a tough _ the school day. always good to talk to you. it is a tough one. there - the school day. always good to talk to you. it is a tough one. there is i to you. it is a tough one. there is no riaht to you. it is a tough one. there is no right or _ to you. it is a tough one. there is no right or wrong. _ to you. it is a tough one. there is no right or wrong. always - to you. it is a tough one. there is no right or wrong. always good i to you. it is a tough one. there is| no right or wrong. always good to talk to you, _ no right or wrong. always good to talk to you, lisa. _ no right or wrong. always good to talk to you, lisa. thank _ no right or wrong. always good to talk to you, lisa. thank you - no right or wrong. always good to talk to you, lisa. thank you very l talk to you, lisa. thank you very much. talk to you, lisa. thank you very much- and _ talk to you, lisa. thank you very much. and good _ talk to you, lisa. thank you very much. and good luck. _ talk to you, lisa. thank you very much. and good luck. thank- talk to you, lisa. thank you very | much. and good luck. thank you. mike is takin: a much. and good luck. thank you. mike is taking a look— much. and good luck. thank you. mike is taking a look at _ much. and good luck. thank you. mike is taking a look at new _ much. and good luck. thank you. mike is taking a look at new owners, - much. and good luck. thank you. mike is taking a look at new owners, new i is taking a look at new owners, new prospects, ambition. it's got it all, it's whether it comes to

fruition. sirjim ratcliffe has set out his long term vision for manchester united now he has completed his deal, for a minority stake and control of football operations, at old trafford. one of his big ambitions focuses on the ground itself. he says he wants to build a new national stadium in the north. joe lynskey reports. as manchester united kicked off at old trafford, what a game this promised to be. for more than a century, they've come to this ground. manchester united's great memories have been made at old trafford. yes! it's iconic, its historic. but in the last 20 years, it's been left behind. united's rivals have grounds fit for 2024. the last major works at old trafford were in 2006. leaks in the roof and concourse problems have made it a symbol of a club in decline.

that makes it an issue for their new co—owner, sirjim ratcliffe who spoke exclusively to the bbc�*s dan roan. if you take the view that united is the greatest or one of the great clubs in the world, then you should have a stadium that's befitting of that. it probably isn't there today because the stadium, you know, it's a bit tired. i think there are two main issues in this club, one's performance on the field, the other one probably is the stadium. ratcliffe and united have two ways to change things. like liverpool and real madrid, they could improve existing stands. at old trafford, that's been hampered by the railway that runs past. there is another option. the club owns around 100 acres of land around the stadium. much of it is unused and undeveloped, so there is opportunity. united could build a new ground and a surrounding sports village, all while staying on the site of their spiritual home. it would take huge investment. just to build a new stadium could cost £2 billion.

you know, there is quite a big argument, in my view, for regenerating that whole south side of manchester and within it, the nucleus of it being a new stadium, which would be a world class state of the art stadium, which could take england games, it could take the fa cup final, it could take the champions league final and it could service the north of england. and how would you pay for it, sirjim? because there's been suggestions that you'd want public funding from government. i think if it was part of that regeneration project and a national stadium, then that clearly has to be a conversation with the government. the north deserves some thought about, you know, government investment and regeneration as well as the south. ratcliffe now says he'll assemble a taskforce. they'll discuss the options and make further plans. the aim is to work on a new look for old trafford to make this historic ground fit for a modern era. joe lynskey, bbc news. and you can see the full interview with sirjim ratcliffe,

and our sports editor dan roan on the i—player now. sirjim ratcliffe — the interview. ratcliffe said his long term ambition is to repeat history and knock their rivals off their perch — but that won't happen soon, and liverpool's lead at the top of the premier league table is now four points, after they came from behind to beat luton town 4—1 at anfield last night. with some key players injured, jurgen klopp had to make changes. harvey elliott rounded off a second—half turnaround with a goal on his 100th appearance for liverpool. that's three wins on the bounce since losing to arsenal at the start of the month. next up is the carabao cup final against chelsea, but who will be fit? i really don't know. i really don't know if these boys can go again. that's the situation we have. last night after the game, i couldn't believe the situation would today be like that, but we have learned a lesson. we will wait until we get further information and on friday we

will think about how we can line up for the final. arsenal will have to come from behind if they are to make the quarter—finals of the champions league, after they lost the first leg, of their tie, against porto last night. the gunners had the lions' share of possession in portugal, and looked to be heading back to the emirates, with a goalless draw, but they were stunned by porto's galeno in the fourth minute of stoppage time. the second leg is next month. in the other last 16match last night, napoli and barcelona is finely balanced after a 1—1 draw. victor osimhen scoring here to cancel out robert lewandowski's opener. it's 7:46am. that means it's carol time. i like carol time, that sounds so good. time. i like carol time, that sounds so aood. . v time. i like carol time, that sounds so aood. . �*, . time. i like carol time, that sounds so aood. ., �*, . ., so good. that's nice of you. good morning- — so good. that's nice of you. good morning- it's _ so good. that's nice of you. good morning- it's a — so good. that's nice of you. good morning. it's a wet _ so good. that's nice of you. good morning. it's a wet start - so good. that's nice of you. good morning. it's a wet start to - so good. that's nice of you. good morning. it's a wet start to the i so good. that's nice of you. good i morning. it's a wet start to the day for some _ morning. it's a wet start to the day for some of— morning. it's a wet start to the day for some of us and you can see this lovely— for some of us and you can see this lovely weather watchers picture

telling — lovely weather watchers picture telling the story nicely taken earlier— telling the story nicely taken earlier and we have heavy and persistent rain, squally winds around — persistent rain, squally winds around it— persistent rain, squally winds around it pushing across england and wales— around it pushing across england and wales and _ around it pushing across england and wales and some heavy showers in scotland _ wales and some heavy showers in scotland and northern ireland but it's going — scotland and northern ireland but it's going to turn colder temperatures returning to closer to where _ temperatures returning to closer to where we _ temperatures returning to closer to where we would expect them to be at this time _ where we would expect them to be at this time of— where we would expect them to be at this time of year. we have two bands of rain _ this time of year. we have two bands of rain moving across england and wales— of rain moving across england and wales and — of rain moving across england and wales and you can see a plethora of showers _ wales and you can see a plethora of showers across the north of the country — showers across the north of the country and we have a band which is accompanied by squally winds, lightning and hail and accompanied by squally winds, lightning and hailand it accompanied by squally winds, lightning and hail and it is generally windier across england and wales— generally windier across england and wales where ever you are with even severe _ wales where ever you are with even severe gales at times through the english _ severe gales at times through the english channel and it will be windy through— english channel and it will be windy through the straits of dover and the coast _ through the straits of dover and the coast of— through the straits of dover and the coast of east anglia. north of that we have _ coast of east anglia. north of that we have brighter skies but heavy showers — we have brighter skies but heavy showers as well and some of them will have _ showers as well and some of them will have hail and thunder embedded in them _ will have hail and thunder embedded in them and it will be wintry on higher— in them and it will be wintry on higher ground and later we could see the snow— higher ground and later we could see the snow get to lower levels across the snow get to lower levels across the north— the snow get to lower levels across the north west of scotland. the rain continues— the north west of scotland. the rain continues to — the north west of scotland. the rain continues to edge eastwards as we go through— continues to edge eastwards as we go through the day and we could see some _ through the day and we could see some wintering us on the hills on

the backend of wales and the south—west and the midlands and behind _ south—west and the midlands and behind it— south—west and the midlands and behind it it will turn colder than it has— behind it it will turn colder than it has been. moving in through the evening _ it has been. moving in through the evening and overnight there goes the rain and _ evening and overnight there goes the rain and we _ evening and overnight there goes the rain and we are looking at clearer skies _ rain and we are looking at clearer skies and — rain and we are looking at clearer skies and some showers coming in from _ skies and some showers coming in from the _ skies and some showers coming in from the west and some of those wintry— from the west and some of those wintry on — from the west and some of those wintry on the hills and still a blustery— wintry on the hills and still a blustery night and a cold one across the northeast with a touch of frost and the _ the northeast with a touch of frost and the risk of fright —— risk of ice _ and the risk of fright —— risk of ice. tomorrow a bit drier but still breezy— ice. tomorrow a bit drier but still breezy and — ice. tomorrow a bit drier but still breezy and we will have a lot of showers — breezy and we will have a lot of showers in _ breezy and we will have a lot of showers in the west, some of them drifting _ showers in the west, some of them drifting over towards the east and temperatures tomorrow, wherever you are, it _ temperatures tomorrow, wherever you are, it will — temperatures tomorrow, wherever you are, it will feel cool. what temperatures tomorrow, wherever you are, it will feel cool.— are, it will feel cool. what about for camping? — are, it will feel cool. what about for camping? we _ are, it will feel cool. what about for camping? we are _ are, it will feel cool. what about for camping? we are talking - are, it will feel cool. what about for camping? we are talking to i for camping? we are talking to johnny vegas in a moment about his new camping ventures. it doesn't look like good camping weather. it doesn't, especially not today, tonight, — doesn't, especially not today, tonight, and even tomorrow it will be blustery with all of the showers blowing _ be blustery with all of the showers blowing in — be blustery with all of the showers blowing in from the west, so not ideal— blowing in from the west, so not ideal at— blowing in from the west, so not ideal at all~ — blowing in from the west, so not ideal at all-— blowing in from the west, so not ideal at all. ., ., ~ ., ., ideal at all. carol, i know you love cam-tin

ideal at all. carol, i know you love camping in — ideal at all. carol, i know you love camping in the — ideal at all. carol, i know you love camping in the winter _ ideal at all. carol, i know you love camping in the winter and - ideal at all. carol, i know you love camping in the winter and i - ideal at all. carol, i know you love camping in the winter and i will i camping in the winter and i will put ina camping in the winter and i will put in a good word for you withjohnny in a good word for you withjohnny in a good word for you withjohnny in a moment. we will sort you out with a nice cosy tent.— with a nice cosy tent. very kind of ou. with a nice cosy tent. very kind of you- thank _ with a nice cosy tent. very kind of you- thank you — with a nice cosy tent. very kind of you. thank you very _ with a nice cosy tent. very kind of you. thank you very much. - with a nice cosy tent. very kind of you. thank you very much. the i with a nice cosy tent. very kind of i you. thank you very much. the thing about johnny — you. thank you very much. the thing about johnny vegas's _ you. thank you very much. the thing about johnny vegas's campsite - you. thank you very much. the thing about johnny vegas's campsite and i you. thank you very much. the thing i about johnny vegas's campsite and he aboutjohnny vegas's campsite and he will explain in a moment, it is not conventional by any means. ida. quirky, but he's described it, this television show is a midlife crisis turned into a television show. well it proved such a hit that the second series of "carry on glamping" draws to a close tonight — with johnny officiating at a star wars—themed wedding on his famous "field of dreams". let's take a look. whilejohnny grapples with his costume, everybody is ready and waiting at the field. isn't the husband meant to be waiting for the bride and not the bride and the groom waiting for the celebrant? yeah. some things are happening - in the wrong order, aren't they? i think so. where is he? no idea. since he was legally ordained online as a jedi minister.

this is johnny's first official engagement. good afternoon, everybody. i'm actually really nervous now. i shouldn't admit that. and bride to be natalie has chosen a suitably appropriate wedding veil channelling her inner sith. surprise. am i allowed to take this off? i think you are allowed to take it off. yeah, that was a really bad idea. i can't breathe. hey. you look wonderful. thank you. natalie, you inspired us to make this happen. it's lovely to be a part of this. thank you for letting us celebrate it with you. johnnyjoins us now. good morning. how you doing? good,

thank ou. good morning. how you doing? good, thank you- we — good morning. how you doing? good, thank you. i've sorted _ good morning. how you doing? good, thank you. i've sorted my _ good morning. how you doing? good, thank you. i've sorted my day. - good morning. how you doing? good, thank you. i've sorted my day. what i thank you. i've sorted my day. what does that mean? _ thank you. i've sorted my day. what does that mean? i _ thank you. i've sorted my day. what does that mean? i prioritised - thank you. i've sorted my day. what does that mean? i prioritised you. i does that mean? i prioritised you. thank you- _ does that mean? i prioritised you. thank you- i _ does that mean? i prioritised you. thank you. i woke _ does that mean? i prioritised you. thank you. i woke up _ does that mean? i prioritised you. thank you. i woke up and - does that mean? i prioritised you. thank you. i woke up and i - does that mean? i prioritised you. | thank you. i woke up and i thought will i thank you. i woke up and i thought will! to thank you. i woke up and i thought will i go out _ thank you. i woke up and i thought will i go out and _ thank you. i woke up and i thought will i go out and buy _ thank you. i woke up and i thought will i go out and buy some - thank you. i woke up and i thought will i go out and buy some strange | will i go out and buy some strange objects— will i go out and buy some strange objects of— will i go out and buy some strange objects of desire to work from and then i_ objects of desire to work from and then i realised i am on bbc news with the — then i realised i am on bbc news with the two greatest broadcasters ever~ _ with the two greatest broadcasters ever. ~ . . ~' with the two greatest broadcasters ever. . . . ~ ., did with the two greatest broadcasters ever-— did you i with the two greatest broadcasters| ever._ did you just ever. what a kind man. did you 'ust share with us — ever. what a kind man. did you 'ust share with us that i ever. what a kind man. did you 'ust share with us that you i ever. what a kind man. did youjust share with us that you have eight i share with us that you have eight alarm calls in the morning? i do. i have developed _ alarm calls in the morning? i do. i have developed a _ alarm calls in the morning? i do. i have developed a slow _ alarm calls in the morning? i do. i have developed a slow process i alarm calls in the morning? i do. i have developed a slow process of| have developed a slow process of waking _ have developed a slow process of waking up — have developed a slow process of waking up and processing waking up are not— waking up and processing waking up are not waking up in a panic, that i've are not waking up in a panic, that i've got— are not waking up in a panic, that i've got to — are not waking up in a panic, that i've got to get up and do things now _ i've got to get up and do things now is— i've got to get up and do things now. , . ~' i've got to get up and do things now. , ., ~ ., i. i've got to get up and do things now. , ., ~ ., m now. is that linked to your adhd? yes, but in _ now. is that linked to your adhd? yes. but in a _ now. is that linked to your adhd? yes, but in a good _ now. is that linked to your adhd? yes, but in a good way. _ now. is that linked to your adhd? yes, but in a good way. so - now. is that linked to your adhd? yes, but in a good way. so it's - yes, but in a good way. so it's bein: yes, but in a good way. so it's being able _ yes, but in a good way. so it's being able to _ yes, but in a good way. so it's being able to have _ yes, but in a good way. so it's| being able to have manageable chunks. it’s being able to have manageable chunks. �*, ., ., being able to have manageable chunks. �* , ., ., ., being able to have manageable chunks. �*, ., ., ., ., ., ., chunks. it's allowing all of that to come in, absorb _ chunks. it's allowing all of that to come in, absorb it, _ chunks. it's allowing all of that to come in, absorb it, have - chunks. it's allowing all of that to come in, absorb it, have another| come in, absorb it, have another kip, _ come in, absorb it, have another kip. wake — come in, absorb it, have another kip, wake up, trim off the things that don't— kip, wake up, trim off the things that don't need doing, have a kip,

wake _ that don't need doing, have a kip, wake up, — that don't need doing, have a kip, wake up, and eventually get out of bed and _ wake up, and eventually get out of bed and go— wake up, and eventually get out of bed and go first things first, what is achievable today? rather than hiding _ is achievable today? rather than hiding behind setting yourself a massive — hiding behind setting yourself a massive task that has nothing to do with not— massive task that has nothing to do with not -- — massive task that has nothing to do with not —— what needs to be done. i love with not —— what needs to be done. love it when with not —— what needs to be done. i love it when you say that, not set yourself a massive task, and then there is that. these things do not just sit there. you best explain to people who don't know anything about it, what is that? i people who don't know anything about it, what is that?— it, what is that? i would say that is deadlines. _ it, what is that? i would say that is deadlines. they _ it, what is that? i would say that is deadlines. they are _ it, what is that? i would say that is deadlines. they are good - it, what is that? i would say that is deadlines. they are good for i is deadlines. they are good for people — is deadlines. they are good for people. it's a helicopter that arose from _ people. it's a helicopter that arose from a _ people. it's a helicopter that arose from a joke — people. it's a helicopter that arose from a joke with beverley at the end of series— from a joke with beverley at the end of series one about getting a helicopter. l of series one about getting a helicopter-— of series one about getting a helico oter. , , ,, ,. helicopter. i say she helps you, beverley basically _ helicopter. i say she helps you, beverley basically runs - helicopter. i say she helps you, beverley basically runs things i helicopter. i say she helps you, i beverley basically runs things for you. beverley basically runs things for ou. , ,., y beverley basically runs things for ou. , , ., , beverley basically runs things for ou. ,_ ., beverley basically runs things for ou. , ., ., beverley basically runs things for ou. _ , ., ,., ., ., you. everybody wants a medal for beverle . you. everybody wants a medal for beverley- you _ you. everybody wants a medal for beverley. you had _ you. everybody wants a medal for beverley. you had the _ you. everybody wants a medal for beverley. you had the idea - you. everybody wants a medal for beverley. you had the idea of - you. everybody wants a medal for| beverley. you had the idea of why not have a — beverley. you had the idea of why not have a helicopter— beverley. you had the idea of why not have a helicopter you - beverley. you had the idea of why not have a helicopter you can - beverley. you had the idea of why not have a helicopter you can use | beverley. you had the idea of why i not have a helicopter you can use as part of your glam thing. ii not have a helicopter you can use as part of your glam thing.— part of your glam thing. if there is one out there _ part of your glam thing. if there is one out there and _ part of your glam thing. if there is one out there and nothing - part of your glam thing. if there is one out there and nothing else i part of your glam thing. if there is | one out there and nothing else will be done with it and it will end up as scrap, it deserves a second life, and the excitement of people staying

here is great. it and the excitement of people staying here is great-— here is great. it might be in bits or it might _ here is great. it might be in bits or it might be — here is great. it might be in bits or it might be a _ here is great. it might be in bits or it might be a burger- here is great. it might be in bits or it might be a burger van, - here is great. it might be in bits or it might be a burger van, i i or it might be a burger van, i think that was— or it might be a burger van, i think that was the — or it might be a burger van, i think that was the original plan, and now people _ that was the original plan, and now people stay in the field and it's fantastic — people stay in the field and it's fantastic. i'm so proud of that, because — fantastic. i'm so proud of that, because we thought we had bitten off more than _ because we thought we had bitten off more than we could chew and then when _ more than we could chew and then when they— more than we could chew and then when they turned up on the field, i think— when they turned up on the field, i think there's a bit on the show where — think there's a bit on the show where i— think there's a bit on the show where i feel like a professional, like a _ where i feel like a professional, like a player. where i feel like a professional, like a player-— like a player. i've got a helicopter. _ like a player. i've got a helicopter. you - like a player. i've got a. helicopter. you describe like a player. i've got a - helicopter. you describe the like a player. i've got a _ helicopter. you describe the show, the series and we said it, a midlife crisis turned into a tv show and you said that we see more of michael, your real name being michael pennington thanjohnny vegas. can you explain? it’s pennington than johnny vegas. can you “plain?— you explain? it's not a showbiz thin. i you explain? it's not a showbiz thing- i have — you explain? it's not a showbiz thing. i have an _ you explain? it's not a showbiz thing. i have an idea, - you explain? it's not a showbiz

thing. i have an idea, creative | thing. i have an idea, creative ideas — thing. i have an idea, creative ideas and _ thing. i have an idea, creative ideas and working with the entertainment industry to taking those _ entertainment industry to taking those ideas and bringing them through— those ideas and bringing them through but as michael, i'm not on stage. _ through but as michael, i'm not on stage. i've — through but as michael, i'm not on stage, i've got to apply myself and i've stage, i've got to apply myself and i've got— stage, i've got to apply myself and i've got to — stage, i've got to apply myself and i've got to think about the practicalities and that is where they— practicalities and that is where they have is invaluable like you've .ot they have is invaluable like you've got to _ they have is invaluable like you've got to meet some about the windscreens for the helicopter, you .ot windscreens for the helicopter, you got to— windscreens for the helicopter, you got to talk— windscreens for the helicopter, you got to talk to stuart, you've got to do this _ got to talk to stuart, you've got to do this and — got to talk to stuart, you've got to do this. and it's great to have that creative _ do this. and it's great to have that creative side of me and the business _ creative side of me and the business. i don't even like the word business _ business. i don't even like the word business it's— business. i don't even like the word business. it's something for me. something — business. it's something for me. something you can share that is unexpected and i think it's from the art school— unexpected and i think it's from the art school background of saying i want _ art school background of saying i want to — art school background of saying i want to do — art school background of saying i want to do this and it's part of the adhd, _ want to do this and it's part of the adhd, but— want to do this and it's part of the adhd, but you go, i've done my day 'ob adhd, but you go, i've done my day job and _ adhd, but you go, i've done my day job and i_ adhd, but you go, i've done my day job and i need to focus on something else that _

job and i need to focus on something else that excites me just as much, and it's— else that excites me just as much, and it's this — else that excites me just as much, and it's this, seeing a helicopter turn _ and it's this, seeing a helicopter turn into— and it's this, seeing a helicopter turn into a — and it's this, seeing a helicopter turn into a glamping van. that bit we saw at the _ turn into a glamping van. that bit we saw at the beginning - turn into a glamping van. that bit we saw at the beginning before i turn into a glamping van. that bit i we saw at the beginning before you came on, the scene with the wedding, and can you explain, that is official? i'm not going to spoil it for people, but we could see what was going on, it appeared to be you officiating at a wedding. i was going on, it appeared to be you officiating at a wedding.— officiating at a wedding. i watch every episode — officiating at a wedding. i watch every episode as _ officiating at a wedding. i watch every episode as it _ officiating at a wedding. i watch every episode as it goes - officiating at a wedding. i watch every episode as it goes out - officiating at a wedding. i watch | every episode as it goes out and i've every episode as it goes out and i've not— every episode as it goes out and i've not watched this one, so i tune in with— i've not watched this one, so i tune in with everyone every week. what is aooin on? in with everyone every week. what is going on? you _ in with everyone every week. what is going on? you see, _ in with everyone every week. what is going on? you see, this— in with everyone every week. what is going on? you see, this is— in with everyone every week. what is going on? you see, this is a - going on? you see, this is a different — going on? you see, this is a different one. _ going on? you see, this is a different one. i— going on? you see, this is a different one. i had - going on? you see, this is a different one. i had to - going on? you see, this is a i different one. i had to officiate a wedding — different one. i had to officiate a wedding and how much are you johnny and how— wedding and how much are you johnny and how much are you michael any respect _ and how much are you michael any respect the — and how much are you michael any respect the fact that two people are making _ respect the fact that two people are making their vows to each other and thankfully— making their vows to each other and thankfully michael shot johnny up and went, play nice.— and went, play nice. there is a theme to _ and went, play nice. there is a theme to the event. _ and went, play nice. there is a theme to the event. yes. i and went, play nice. there is a theme to the event. yes. the | theme to the event. yes. the blushin: theme to the event. yes. the blushing bride _ theme to the event. yes. the blushing bride is _ theme to the event. yes. the blushing bride is here. i

theme to the event. yes. the blushing bride is here. the i theme to the event. yes. the i blushing bride is here. the amount of work— blushing bride is here. the amount of work that— blushing bride is here. the amount of work that went into that, i cannot— of work that went into that, i cannot tell you, and once we had worked _ cannot tell you, and once we had worked so — cannot tell you, and once we had worked so hard to get the site up and running, and there was a comment that we _ and running, and there was a comment that we should try weddings and we thought. _ that we should try weddings and we thought, let's do weddings and then we thought, let's do a star wars wedding — we thought, let's do a star wars wedding which adds another 40 or 50% of work— wedding which adds another 40 or 50% of work to— wedding which adds another 40 or 50% of work to make the field look like a star— of work to make the field look like a star wars— of work to make the field look like a star wars theme and the cake, i was so— a star wars theme and the cake, i was so proud of that. i have smashed it. was so proud of that. i have smashed it star— was so proud of that. i have smashed it starwars— was so proud of that. i have smashed it. star wars fans everywhere. what was it like? — it. star wars fans everywhere. what was it like? it _ it. star wars fans everywhere. what was it like? it was _ it. star wars fans everywhere. what was it like? it was three _ it. star wars fans everywhere. what was it like? it was three tiers, i was it like? it was three tiers, aooin was it like? it was three tiers, going into _ was it like? it was three tiers, going into the _ was it like? it was three tiers, going into the death _ was it like? it was three tiers, going into the death star. i going into the death star. everything was edible, six different types _ everything was edible, six different types of— everything was edible, six different types of cake. for the vegans, for everybody — types of cake. for the vegans, for everybody. we've got four different spaceships that are edible, the millennium falcon, the x wing, the

tie fighters — millennium falcon, the x wing, the tie fighters. anyone who is into star wars... tie fighters. anyone who is into star wars- - -_ tie fighters. anyone who is into star wars. . . tie fighters. anyone who is into starwars... ~ ., ,, ., , ., , star wars... were you into star wars customer you've — star wars... were you into star wars customer you've always _ star wars... were you into star wars customer you've always been i star wars... were you into star wars customer you've always been into i star wars... were you into star wars customer you've always been into it. | customer you've always been into it. the research part and have to be done? , ., ., ., , done? the fifth show went out last nioht done? the fifth show went out last ni . ht and done? the fifth show went out last night and l'm _ done? the fifth show went out last night and i'm starting _ done? the fifth show went out last night and i'm starting to _ done? the fifth show went out last night and i'm starting to enjoy i done? the fifth show went out last night and i'm starting to enjoy it i night and i'm starting to enjoy it and i_ night and i'm starting to enjoy it and i had — night and i'm starting to enjoy it and i had a _ night and i'm starting to enjoy it and i had a little cry last night because — and i had a little cry last night because it was me and stuart stood on top _ because it was me and stuart stood on top of— because it was me and stuart stood on top of oscar, chatting and this year we _ on top of oscar, chatting and this year we had a tough summer last year, _ year we had a tough summer last year, financially, it's been really close _ year, financially, it's been really close to — year, financially, it's been really close to the wire whether we would open _ close to the wire whether we would open the _ close to the wire whether we would open the ship and we are open and you are— open the ship and we are open and you are thinking, oh, i can start actually— you are thinking, oh, i can start actually enjoying watching everybody else's _ actually enjoying watching everybody else's journey along with my own. i .et else's journey along with my own. get the else's journey along with my own. i get the distinct impression that the whole thing is quite emotional for you. why wouldn't it be? people are getting married. you are investing a lot of yourself in this, aren't you? there are so many days when we

think. _ there are so many days when we think. we — there are so many days when we think, we don't need this, just do a panel— think, we don't need this, just do a panel show — think, we don't need this, just do a panel show. but something in you has to do it _ panel show. but something in you has to do it and _ panel show. but something in you has to do it. and when you do it and you .et to do it. and when you do it and you get it— to do it. and when you do it and you get it right, — to do it. and when you do it and you get it right, it's lovely. when my two sons came, you know, michael, _ when my two sons came, you know, michael, did— when my two sons came, you know, michael, did all of the boards for oscar's _ michael, did all of the boards for oscar's landing pad and working with him in _ oscar's landing pad and working with him in a _ oscar's landing pad and working with him in a shed at 2am in the morning. we are— him in a shed at 2am in the morning. we are building a business. trust me _ we are building a business. trust me and — we are building a business. trust me and my— we are building a business. trust me. and my youngest, tom, it's very hard to— me. and my youngest, tom, it's very hard to be _ me. and my youngest, tom, it's very hard to be a _ me. and my youngest, tom, it's very hard to be a out at 53, and he got in hard to be a out at 53, and he got ihand— hard to be a out at 53, and he got inand said— hard to be a out at 53, and he got in and said it's amazing, and it kind— in and said it's amazing, and it kind of— in and said it's amazing, and it kind of ears. —— to be a cool dad at 53. kind of ears. —— to be a cool dad at 55 for— kind of ears. —— to be a cool dad at 55 forabout— kind of ears. —— to be a cool dad at 53. for about ten minutes and then he pointed — 53. for about ten minutes and then he pointed out all the health and safety _ he pointed out all the health and safety issues. can he pointed out all the health and safety issues-— he pointed out all the health and safety issues. can you go and stay in the glamping — safety issues. can you go and stay in the glamping place _ safety issues. can you go and stay in the glamping place now? i safety issues. can you go and stay in the glamping place now? we i safety issues. can you go and stay| in the glamping place now? we are o-oenin in in the glamping place now? we are opening in april- — in the glamping place now? we are opening in april. i— in the glamping place now? we are opening in april. i was _ in the glamping place now? we are opening in april. i was getting i in the glamping place now? we are opening in april. i was getting told | opening in april. i was getting told off for—

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and to cut down on suspensions and absenteeism. they're being asked to sign up to an "inclusion charter" by the mayor's violence reduction unit, which says children who are not in school are more at risk from crime. a former met police officer has been convicted of kidnap and multiple counts of rape. 24—year—old cliff mitchell's offences involve a child under 13. he also faced one count of kidnap, following a trial at croydon crown court yesterday. he was a serving constable in hounslow when a number of offences were committed. a "housing emergency" was declared by crawley council last night. the local authority says their annual costs for temporary accommodation have risen twelve fold in the past five years, and there is also a "dire shortage" of permanent accommodation. let's take a look at the tubes now. there's a good service on the tubes this morning, although there are minor delays

on the central line. overground part suspended. now on to the weather. this morning will see cloudy skies and a band of rain moving south—eastwards. the skies will remain cloudy early in the afternoon with more rain moving in. bright breaks will develop later on. maximum temperature, 12c. that's it. we're back in half an hour. good morning. welcome to breakfast with charlie stayt and naga munchetty. our headlines today... charlie stayt and naga munchetty. anger, chaos and apologies — the house of commons speaker, sir lindsay hoyle, holds talks with key mps, after a debate on a ceasefire in gaza descended into disorder. where on earth is the speaker of the house of commons? how do we bring him to that seat? one person has been killed and several others wounded

in a shooting in the west bank, east ofjerusalem. from today, bereaved parents in england can apply for government certificates to recognise baby loss before 24 weeks of pregnancy. dozens of people have been hit with legal bills of thousands of pounds after this law sheffield law company collapsed — despite signing up on a no—win, no—fee basis. i'll have the details. # this is how you leave a man.# and paloma faith joins us to talk about her new heartbreak album, the glorification of sadness. good morning. heavy and persistent rain, accompanied by strong to gale force winds moving across england and wales. sunny spells and showers across scotland and northern ireland. some of the showers will be potent. all of the details later on

in the programme. it's thursday, the 22nd of february. the commons speaker, sir lindsay hoyle, is expected to hold talks with party leaders after last night's debate on a call for a ceasefire in gaza descended into chaos. more than 30 mps have signed a motion of no confidence in sir lindsay after he broke with convention to allow a vote on a labour amendment to an snp proposal. he later apologised and said he wanted to have a discussion on "what is the best way forward." our deputy political editor vicki young reports. there was confusion. there were angry demands for the speaker to explain himself. where on earth is the speaker of the house of commons? loud cheering how do we bring him to that seat? and there was a walkout by the snp and conservatives — an unlikely alliance. chaotic scenes in the commons after mps had been debating one of the most serious foreign policy

issues of the day. outside parliament, feelings were already running high... chanting: ceasefire now! ..with hundreds of people queuing for hours to lobby their mps. the rules meant the only motion that was being considered was one from the snp, calling for an immediate ceasefire. lots of labour members were tempted to vote for it against their leader's wishes, but that all changed when the speaker, going against official advice, said this. i think it's important on this occasion that the house is able to consider the widest possible range of options. i have therefore decided to select the amendments both in the name of the prime minister and in the name of the leader of the opposition. furious snp mps felt that was bending the rules to help sir keir starmer out of a sticky situation. now, we completely appear to be doing things in a way that's never been done before.

can i ask for your advice, mr speaker? what is the point of an opposition day if it's going to be done like this? later, just before the votes were due to happen, the leader of the commons weighed in. the government will play no further part in the decision this house takes on today's proceedings. i would like to stress that the government's position on israel and gaza remains unchanged. by the time the votes on the ceasefire were being called, there was so much noise, very few could hear what was going on. loud heckling: ayes! the ayes have it. to the side, watching all this unfold was sir lindsay hoyle, who'd had no choice but to come back to apologise for the mess. i am honest to this house. i am true to this house. i believe in all members of this house

and i tried to do... i have tried to do what i thought was the right thing for all sides of this house. it is regrettable and i apologise. all this meant labour avoided another damaging rebellion over gaza and they were happy to defend sir lindsay's decision. the speaker was rightly playing his role. he's there to protect the rights of all mps. he was wanting to ensure the widest possible debate. the serious issue of what's going on in the middle east was debated. it was never going to change uk foreign policy but several mps have said this was an embarrassing episode for parliament. vicki young, bbc news, westminster. we have had some news coming through to us in the last hour and a half in the middle east and some developments. one person has been killed and several others wounded, in a shooting in the west bank, east ofjerusalem.

police say three gunmen opened fire on several vehicles that were in traffic near a checkpoint. the gunmen have all been shot dead. we can talk now to our correspondentjenny hill. morning to you. take us through what we know, the sequence of events. yes. people were sitting in their cars, stuck in a trafficjam on a road notorious for bad traffic, waiting to go through a checkpoint when three gunmen, police say they are palestinian, two of them brothers from villages near to bethlehem. they got out of reportedly two vehicles and opened fire. they had automatic weapons. eight people were seriously injured and one person has died. two of those people are in a serious condition. details have been emerging all morning. this, i think,

will only heighten concerns about the way in which the war in gaza is exacerbating existing volatilities, not only in the west bank but across this region. it is one of the reasons international agents are really desperate to try to bring that conflict to some kind of resolution. the other is growing international alarm at humanitarian conditions inside gaza, where israel has been carrying out its war in response to the hamas attacks. in the last couple of days we have seen aid agencies expressing deep concern about conditions for palestinian civilians trapped inside gaza, who face not only israeli air strikes but also hunger and disease. this morning, the guards and run palestinian health authority has said 99 palestinians were killed overnight in israeli air strikes. for the moment, thank you.

the uk has air—dropped aid into gaza for the first time since war began after striking a deal withjordan. four tonnes of supplies, including medicines, food and fuel were delivered into gaza on a jordanian air force plane yesterday. companies have been told they should make workplace adjustments for women going through the menopause, including relaxing uniform policies and offering working from home on warm days. the equality and human rights commission guidance also states that using language that ridicules someone because of their menopausal symptoms could be harassment. king charles has revealed he's been reduced to tears by the messages of support since he was diagnosed with cancer. he was speaking to the prime minister rishi sunak in his first face—to—face audience since his diagnosis was made public. our royal correspondent daniela relph reports. the prime minister, your majesty. good evening, your majesty. they usually meet every week, but it's been a disrupted start to the year. wonderful to see you looking so well. well, it's all done by mirrors.

well, we're... we're all behind you. the country is behind you. i've had so many wonderful messages and cards. ican imagine. reduced me to tears, most of the time. clearly moved by the public�*s good wishes, this was a hint of normal royal business for the king. the audience with the prime minister has been an important moment. a sign that the king is coping well with his cancer treatment and can still do those core duties. it's now three weeks since the king left hospital, after treatment for a prostate condition. it was during his stay here that his cancer was discovered. he's not expected to return to a full schedule of engagements for several months. the audience lasted around 45 minutes, during which the king also recognised how going public with his diagnosis had highlighted the work of cancer charities — many of which have him as a patron. daniela relph, bbc news,

buckingham palace. here's carol with a look at this morning's weather. good morning to you. we were talking tojohnny vegas earlier. he has a lovely tent at the end of the field ready for you today, this weekend, if you want it. we said you did not need thrills and would be happy for the basics. sort it. you can thank me later. i the basics. sort it. you can thank me later. ., ., ., me later. i will look forward to it. toda is me later. i will look forward to it. today is wet _ me later. i will look forward to it. today is wet and _ me later. i will look forward to it. today is wet and windy, - me later. i will look forward to it. | today is wet and windy, especially across england and wales. scotland and northern ireland, some heavy showers as well. it is turning colder. we are saying goodbye to the higher temperatures of late. this weather front is sinking south. the speckled cloud behind it represent showers. here is the heavy and

persistent when the sunshine embedded in it. squally winds across england and wales. gales, even severe gales, across the english channel, very windy and also the coast of east anglia. it will brighten up behind it. there could be winteriness on the hills. for scotland, northern ireland and eventually england, we are looking at a brighter day, a bit more sunshine and also showers. some of the showers could be heavy and thundery. the winteriness coming down to lower levels across the north west. these other temperatures, five in the north to nine, ten in the south—east. as the weather front goes through, temperatures in the south—east will slip away. this evening and overnight there goes the rain. some clear skies. a lot of showers coming into the west. a blustery night. we are looking at some winteriness, especially down to lower levels. it

will be a cold night as well. cold in the north—east, where we are looking at frost and the risk of ice. tomorrow a wee bit brighter but we are looking at sunshine and a lot of showers. we are looking at sunshine and a lot of showers-— of showers. thank you for that long forecast in around _ of showers. thank you for that long forecast in around half-an-hour. i of showers. thank you for that long i forecast in around half-an-hour. see forecast in around half—an—hour. see you then. for the first time in england, bereaved parents, who experience pregnancy loss can now receive a certificate of recognition. it follows nine years of campaigning by the charity "the mariposa trust." so, let's take a look at what it involves. in order to be eligible to apply for the certificate, you must live in england and have lost a baby before 24 weeks. the loss must also have occurred in the last five years, with the pregnancy ending on — or after — september the 1st 2018. applicants will be able to head to the government website to apply the address is gov.uk/request baby loss certificate. but the situation varies across the uk. for people in scotland, parents have been able to apply

to record their loss in a memorial book, and to receive a certificate, since october last year. in wales and northern ireland, there is currently no certification process in place, but spokesmen for both governments say they are exploring the option of introducing them. the government says it's looking at expanding the scheme for losses, which pre—date september 2018. there will be lots of people who had losses prior to that date who will possibly want one of the certificates too. we can understand these things are complicated. there are potentially so many people who will want these things, so they need to make sure the systems are robust and people can get it and test their systems. we desperately do want to see it extended to losses prior to that date. we're joined now by two of those behind the government's independent pregnancy loss review — which led to the scheme. zoe clark—coates is from the "saying goodbye" charity,

who began campaigning on this issue following the loss of five of her own babies. alongside zoe is sam collinge, a lead bereavement midwife, who has also experienced the loss of two of her own babies. a very good morning to both of you. i am aware we sort of introduce you like that. i say these statistics, i say the loss that you both suffered. it does not do justice to it at all. that is the point of this campaign. do you want to explain to us, for you personally, what does it represent? when you get, as he will commit certificates for your loss recognised what will it mean for you personally? fsine recognised what will it mean for you oersonall ? , ., recognised what will it mean for you personally?— personally? one thing everyone will tell ou personally? one thing everyone will tell you when _ personally? one thing everyone will tell you when you _ personally? one thing everyone will tell you when you have _ personally? one thing everyone will tell you when you have gone i personally? one thing everyone will| tell you when you have gone through a pre—24 week baby loss, your loss is unrecognised by so many people and often it is treated like a medical incident. you do not feel like you have a right to grieve or

talk about it at all. what i hope is it gives people some recognition, honouring their baby, saying he did have a baby can make your baby sadly did not get to stay. stand have a baby can make your baby sadly did not get to stay.— have a baby can make your baby sadly did not get to stay._ it i did not get to stay. and for you? it is no secret — did not get to stay. and for you? it is no secret l _ did not get to stay. and for you? it is no secret i had _ did not get to stay. and for you? it is no secret i had two _ did not get to stay. and for you? it| is no secret i had two miscarriages. it is is no secret i had two miscarriages. it is a _ is no secret i had two miscarriages. it is a long — is no secret i had two miscarriages. it is a long time ago but you never forget _ it is a long time ago but you never forget those babies. sally and i have _ forget those babies. sally and i have met — forget those babies. sally and i have met so many bereaved parents over the _ have met so many bereaved parents over the years. people have contacted me through my work as a bereavement midwife, who had losses 40, bereavement midwife, who had losses 40. 50 _ bereavement midwife, who had losses 40, 50 years ago but it was never spoken— 40, 50 years ago but it was never spoken about, it was pushed to one side and _ spoken about, it was pushed to one side and they were never allowed to talk about— side and they were never allowed to talk about it. these women sadly have _ talk about it. these women sadly have had — talk about it. these women sadly have had years and he has had problems— have had years and he has had problems with mental health. they had been _ problems with mental health. they had been on antidepressants because they had _ had been on antidepressants because they had never been allowed to recognise, acknowledge or recognise their babies. over the last few years— their babies. over the last few years there is a lot more awareness

and people — years there is a lot more awareness and people are encouraged to create memories— and people are encouraged to create memories of their babies. there are still people, — memories of their babies. there are still people, like zoe said, who treat— still people, like zoe said, who treat it — still people, like zoe said, who treat it as— still people, like zoe said, who treat it asjust still people, like zoe said, who treat it as just a medical still people, like zoe said, who treat it asjust a medical incident, as if it _ treat it asjust a medical incident, as if it is — treat it asjust a medical incident, as if it is one _ treat it asjust a medical incident, as if it is one of those things, just— as if it is one of those things, just a — as if it is one of those things, just a statistic. to most people, as soon _ just a statistic. to most people, as soon as— just a statistic. to most people, as soon as they— just a statistic. to most people, as soon as they get that positive pregnancy test, it is a baby. can i -ick u- pregnancy test, it is a baby. can i pick up on — pregnancy test, it is a baby. can i pick up on that — pregnancy test, it is a baby. can i pick up on that point? _ pregnancy test, it is a baby. can i pick up on that point? when i pregnancy test, it is a baby. cagi i pick up on that point? when you get a positive pregnancy test, what i am not clear about, who decides? obviously it is the person carrying the child. he decides, yes, you have had a pregnancy loss? it is the child. he decides, yes, you have had a pregnancy loss?— had a pregnancy loss? it is down to the family- — had a pregnancy loss? it is down to the family- it _ had a pregnancy loss? it is down to the family. it is _ had a pregnancy loss? it is down to the family. it is optional— had a pregnancy loss? it is down to the family. it is optional for- had a pregnancy loss? it is down to the family. it is optional for the i the family. it is optional for the parents. it is not evidence asked for. it is being done on an honesty basis. these losses will never have been recorded on medical notes. we did not want anyone to have been excluded. it did not want anyone to have been excluded. , , ., ., excluded. it is being done on their word. whoever _ excluded. it is being done on their word. whoever has _ excluded. it is being done on their word. whoever has lost _ excluded. it is being done on their word. whoever has lost a - excluded. it is being done on their word. whoever has lost a baby i excluded. it is being done on their word. whoever has lost a baby or| excluded. it is being done on their i

word. whoever has lost a baby or has experienced baby loss, ishould word. whoever has lost a baby or has experienced baby loss, i should say, just applies from today, back to september 2018. it is just applies from today, back to september 2018.— just applies from today, back to september 2018. it is going to be ooredatin september 2018. it is going to be predating that. _ september 2018. it is going to be predating that. it _ september 2018. it is going to be predating that. it has _ september 2018. it is going to be predating that. it has already i september 2018. it is going to be l predating that. it has already been announced it will be backdated whether— announced it will be backdated whether your loss was 80 years ago, yesterday _ whether your loss was 80 years ago, yesterday or in the future comic you will be _ yesterday or in the future comic you will be able — yesterday or in the future comic you will be able to apply. just so the system — will be able to apply. just so the system does not crash, they have limited _ system does not crash, they have limited it — system does not crash, they have limited it to losses from september 2018 onwards. for those who have had losses _ 2018 onwards. for those who have had losses predating that, you had to wait a _ losses predating that, you had to wait a little bit longer. you losses predating that, you had to wait a little bit longer.— wait a little bit longer. you have both alluded _ wait a little bit longer. you have both alluded to _ wait a little bit longer. you have both alluded to the _ wait a little bit longer. you have both alluded to the fact - wait a little bit longer. you have both alluded to the fact it i wait a little bit longer. you have both alluded to the fact it is i wait a little bit longer. you have both alluded to the fact it is not| wait a little bit longer. you have i both alluded to the fact it is not a medical incident. it is not something, this happens, it is your body getting used to it, particularly if someone has baby lost the first time they are pregnant. these narratives are put out there to make people feel better rather than acknowledge we agree. that is what is so desperately

painful. many people. they want their loss recognised and treated for what it is. we so often use the word pregnancy loss, almost eliminating the baby from that. fir eliminating the baby from that. or miscarriage. there _ eliminating the baby from that. or miscarriage. there are _ eliminating the baby from that. or miscarriage. there are so - eliminating the baby from that. or miscarriage. there are so many i miscarriage. there are so many different types _ miscarriage. there are so many different types of _ miscarriage. there are so many different types of baby - miscarriage. there are so many different types of baby loss. i miscarriage. there are so many i different types of baby loss. what we are trying to do through the pregnancy loss review, which is what we have been chairing on behalf of the government, is say all of these losses are baby loss and we need to treat people like that and say you have lost a child, what sort of support do you require? obviously, this is a really _ support do you require? obviously, this is a really important _ support do you require? obviously, this is a really important step i support do you require? obviously, this is a really important step and i this is a really important step and will mean a lot to a lot of people. in the same breath, it may well bring back a lot of memories. as you said before, it can go back a very long time, and could have been buried, put in a place. quite rightly this will be a marker. that will possibly bring to the four

emotions that have been buried for a very long time as well.— very long time as well. absolutely. that is why — very long time as well. absolutely. that is why we _ very long time as well. absolutely. that is why we are _ very long time as well. absolutely. that is why we are really _ very long time as well. absolutely. that is why we are really keen i very long time as well. absolutely. that is why we are really keen in i that is why we are really keen in our recommendation around the certification scheme we would make it optional and not mandatory. there will always be people who will not want to remember or mark the loss and that is absolutely fine. for the majority of parents we have worked with over the years and met over the course of the review process, this certificate is so important. for years, you probably are aware, we have been able to provide commemorative certificates for parents. charities such as sands, saying goodbye, mick has worked with me for years providing beautiful commemorative certificates to parents. these certificates have a baby's weight and are pretty

certificates. they are not what families really want, and official, government issued recognition of their loss. ~ . , government issued recognition of theirloss. ., their loss. what is on the certificate? _ their loss. what is on the certificate? what i their loss. what is on the certificate? what does i their loss. what is on the certificate? what does it| their loss. what is on the - certificate? what does it look like? there are so many things when it comes to pregnancy, the due date, the gestation period, for example. their weight, the gestation period, for example. theirweight, if the gestation period, for example. their weight, if possible of a lost pregnancy. their weight, if possible of a lost reunan . , their weight, if possible of a lost pregnancy-— their weight, if possible of a lost pregnancy. their weight, if possible of a lost reunan . , ~ ., ., pregnancy. they look like almost a standard birth _ pregnancy. they look like almost a standard birth and _ pregnancy. they look like almost a standard birth and death _ standard birth and death certificate. when we spoke with the families_ certificate. when we spoke with the families they said that is what they wanted, _ families they said that is what they wanted, they wanted it to be an official— wanted, they wanted it to be an official certificate and did not want — official certificate and did not want it — official certificate and did not want it to be commemorative. it looks_ want it to be commemorative. it looks like — want it to be commemorative. it looks like a _ want it to be commemorative. it looks like a normal birth and death certificate — looks like a normal birth and death certificate or a still birth certificate. it is whether a family knows _ certificate. it is whether a family knows the — certificate. it is whether a family knows the information or not. they might— knows the information or not. they might not— knows the information or not. they might not know the due date. some may know_ might not know the due date. some may know the gender but they may not. may know the gender but they may not there — may know the gender but they may not. there are boxes to fill in or

leave _ not. there are boxes to fill in or leave blank _ not. there are boxes to fill in or leave blank-— not. there are boxes to fill in or leave blank. ., ~ ., ., leave blank. talk to me about men in this equation- — leave blank. talk to me about men in this equation. that _ leave blank. talk to me about men in this equation. that is _ leave blank. talk to me about men in this equation. that is an _ this equation. that is an interesting response. i this equation. that is an interesting response. i think it is something _ interesting response. i think it is something that _ interesting response. i think it is something that we _ interesting response. i think it is something that we had - interesting response. i think it is something that we had both - interesting response. i think it is| something that we had both been really passionate about, that this is... it stops becoming an issue thatis is... it stops becoming an issue that is identified as just a female issue. it affects all genders, all families. we need to acknowledge that everybody is affected by this when the loss of a baby happens. as a charity, we were one of the first to run a campaign saying dads matter, we need to offer support to both people. matter, we need to offer support to both maple-— matter, we need to offer support to both people. dads can apply for this certificate? absolutely. _ both people. dads can apply for this certificate? absolutely. both - certificate? absolutely. both arents certificate? absolutely. both parents can _ certificate? absolutely. both parents can apply, _ certificate? absolutely. both parents can apply, either - parents can apply, either separately, if they are not together for instance, altogether if they are. ~ .

for instance, altogether if they are. . . for instance, altogether if they are. ., ., ., for instance, altogether if they are. . ., ., ., in our are. what are your thoughts? in our exaerience. — are. what are your thoughts? in our exaerience. so _ are. what are your thoughts? in our experience, so many— are. what are your thoughts? in our experience, so many partners, - are. what are your thoughts? in our experience, so many partners, not| experience, so many partners, not 'ust experience, so many partners, not just dads, _ experience, so many partners, not just dads, partners, are totally disregarded in terms of impact on them _ disregarded in terms of impact on them and — disregarded in terms of impact on them and mental health. it is a struggle — them and mental health. it is a struggle for the person going through— struggle for the person going through the miscarriage to access mental— through the miscarriage to access mental health services as it is. we rely verv— mental health services as it is. we rely very heavily on charities and on volunteers to provide counselling. it is the same across the board, — counselling. it is the same across the board, isn't it? with mental health — the board, isn't it? with mental health a— the board, isn't it? with mental health. a lot of money is put into mental— health. a lot of money is put into mental health services. it is so difficult — mental health services. it is so difficult in _ mental health services. it is so difficult in practice to access counselling support in a timely manner— counselling support in a timely manner and counselling support in a timely mannerand even counselling support in a timely manner and even worse for partners and dads _ manner and even worse for partners and dads it _ manner and even worse for partners and dads. it is almost as if kamate you know. — and dads. it is almost as if kamate you know, they haven't been affected and, you know, they haven't been affected and. you _ you know, they haven't been affected and, you know, they are often very traumatised. they had seen the person— traumatised. they had seen the person they love going through the worst— person they love going through the worst time of their lives and they are expected to go back to work straightaway. sometimes they are never— straightaway. sometimes they are never even asked how they are and how they— never even asked how they are and

how they feel. in the pregnancy loss review, _ how they feel. in the pregnancy loss review, we _ how they feel. in the pregnancy loss review, we put together 73 recommendations, sounds a lot but that is— recommendations, sounds a lot but that is the _ recommendations, sounds a lot but that is the scale of the problem. that— that is the scale of the problem. that is— that is the scale of the problem. that is around improving mental health— that is around improving mental health care for both partners and wider— health care for both partners and wider siblings and grandparents. we. will wider siblings and grandparents. will explain wider siblings and grandparents. - will explain to people how they go about applying. good to see you this morning. you can apply for a certificate online from today. the website is gov.uk/ request—baby—loss—certificate. and if you have been affected by any of the issues discussed you can find details of organisations offering help and support at the bbc action line website, just go to bbc.co.uk/action line. morning live follows breakfast on bbc one this morning.

let's find out what they have in store with helen and gethin. i wonder if they have a nice sunrise. too late for that. it is rainy in salford and manchester. grey and miserable. at least the safer is bright and the studio is bright. safer is bright and the studio is briuht. , ., ., ~ safer is bright and the studio is brim, , ., ., safer is bright and the studio is briuht. , ., ., ., bright. they look forward to tuning and 'ust to bright. they look forward to tuning and just to see _ bright. they look forward to tuning and just to see the _ bright. they look forward to tuning and just to see the skyline. - bright. they look forward to tuning and just to see the skyline. we - bright. they look forward to tuning and just to see the skyline. we are not, this guy _ and just to see the skyline. we are not. this guy is- — and just to see the skyline. we are not, this guy is. good _ and just to see the skyline. we are not, this guy is. good job - and just to see the skyline. we are not, this guy is. good job we - and just to see the skyline. we are not, this guy is. good job we are l and just to see the skyline. we are not, this guy is. good job we are a| not, this guy is. good job we are a ray of— not, this guy is. good job we are a ray of sunshine. —— the sky is. coming up, alarming new figures out this morning, show families on the breadline need to work an impossible eight days a week to pay essential bills. the bbc's cost of living correspondent colletta smith is here with advice if you're struggling. five million brits are living in a negative budget, where the money coming in doesn't cover daily living expenses. i'll share what support is available and which bills are a priority if you've fallen behind. plus, we're talking about intermittent fasting. followers claim it helps with weight loss, blood pressure and even anti—aging, so we asked cook briony may williams to test

if it's a recipe for success. also today, we're joined by dragons' den star touker suleyman. after football pundit gary neville's guest appearance, he's revealing his next dream dragon, and telling us why it's never too late to start your own business. and yvonne's in the kitchen cooking up her creamy one—pot marmite chicken for around £1.50 per portion. it's a taste you're supposed to love or hate — but i promise this is going to be your new weeknight winner. all that, plus rugby pundit ugo monye is here ahead of a big weekend in the six nations — it's a rivalry for the ages as scotland and england go head—to—head! see you at 9:30am. after ireland and wales. three big names at

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prisoners have been excluded. a former met police officer has been convicted of kidnap and multiple counts of rape. 24—year—old cliff mitchell's offences involve a child under 13. he also faced one count of kidnap, following a trial at croydon crown court yesterday. he was a serving constable in hounslow when a number of offences were committed. the london assembly is due to vote on mayor s completed budget today at city hall. sadiq khan will present his final draft to members for a last vote on the financial plans. it includes the budget for the metropolitan police, the fire service and transport for london. maternity services at the royal surrey county hospital in guildford have been rated as outstanding. the report by the care quality commission comes after an inspection last september. staffing levels and training in the maternity unit were highly praised. let's take a look at the tubes now.

there's a good service on the tubes this morning although there are minor delays on the central line and severe delays on london overground between willesden junction and clapham junction now onto the weather with sara. morning. it's going to be a very wet and windy day across the capital today. a storm system named louis by the french metservice is moving across us and we have not one but two met office weather warnings, one for some heavy, persistent rain, especially the further north and west you are, and one for very strong, gusty winds as well. we'll see all of that system slowly tracking away towards the southeast through the day today. behind it, much colder airfiltering in with some showers as well for the next few days. here comes the initial rain band, then moving across as squally rain. then the whole system expands a little into this afternoon, keeping that rain pumping towards us. temperatures will have been as high as 11 or 12 celsius, but as the afternoon wears on, those temperatures will start

to drop away as colder air digs in and the rain pulls away. then the winds will ease as we go through the night. tonight, we are much colder and clearer. a few showers to start tomorrow morning, but typically it is a lot drier and there will be a different feel to things. much colder with some showers around tomorrow and for the start of the weekend, rain on sunday. that's it — head to our website to find out about the london landmark, the bt tower, being turned into a hotel. we're back in half an hour. bye for now hello, this is breakfast with charlie stayt and naga munchetty. hundreds of people have been unexpectedly hit with huge legal bills after a law firm collapsed — leaving many unable to pay.

ben has more on this, and ben, the reason this is significant is because the claimants had signed up on a no—win—no—fee basis? you go into presumably in the title is there, and i go into this legal situation and i will never face a bill. ., ., ., , . situation and i will never face a bill. ., ., ., ,. ., situation and i will never face a bill. ., ., ., ,. bill. you would not expect to be hit with a legal— bill. you would not expect to be hit with a legal fee _ bill. you would not expect to be hit with a legal fee if _ bill. you would not expect to be hit with a legal fee if you _ bill. you would not expect to be hit with a legal fee if you signed i with a legal fee if you signed up for no—win, no fee and that's the situation — for no—win, no fee and that's the situation people have ended up in and it— situation people have ended up in and it goes back ten years, a decade to wherr— and it goes back ten years, a decade to when they had cavity wall insulation fitted and then the legal problems all began there. it stems from claims made by dozens of people who say they had cavity wall insulation fitted ten years ago then many later started noticing they had damp or mould in their houses — a result of the insulation often not being suitable for older properties. a few years later thousands of people, mainly in the north of england, were approached by law firms including sheffield—based ssb law. it said it would help them claim against the insulation companies on a no—win, no—fee basis.

that means if the case doesn't succeed the claimant doesn t have to pay legal fees. imagine the shock then, when some of them lost their cases and started receiving legal bills for tens of thousands of pounds. it's not yet clear exactly why, when they'd been told that would not happen. some reports suggest it may be down to problems with the insurance that the firm had in place to cover costs in failed cases. to make matters worse, ssb law went bust with big debts earlier this year. among its clients, yusuf patel from blackburn. he had insulation fitted, noticed mould in his home but his claim failed and he got a big legal bill — as he told the bbc's abbie jones. how much are they saying you over? 27,400 how much are they saying you over? 27,1i00 plus interest and more legal fees. can you pay that? no. haifa 27,400 plus interest and more legal fees. can you pay that? no. how are ou fees. can you pay that? no. how are you feeling? — fees. can you pay that? no. how are you feeling? i— fees. can you pay that? no. how are you feeling? i am — fees. can you pay that? no. how are you feeling? i am feeling _ fees. can you pay that? no. how are you feeling? i am feeling like - fees. can you pay that? no. how are you feeling? i am feeling like a i you feeling? i am feeling like a broken man. _ you feeling? i am feeling like a broken man. it _ you feeling? i am feeling like a broken man. it is _ you feeling? i am feeling like a

broken man. it is scary - you feeling? i am feeling like a broken man. it is scary to i you feeling? i am feeling like a broken man. it is scary to me | broken man. it is scary to me because i have never been in that situation in my lifetime, i have never owed anyone a penny. i can't sleep. my life is stopped at the moment. , , , , yusuf's isjust one case. but there are so many that a support group was set up to help people in lancashire. it says it's been inundated. one of the solicitors firms appointed to help claimants following the collapse of ssb law say that more than fourteen hundred people could be affected. the issue has now been raised in parliament, including by the huddersfield mp barry sheerman. we just wejust don't we just don't know how many people are involved. we know it is a lot. hundreds, thousands, we don't know but all we do know is that these court costs make people are very vulnerable. it means i have people coming to me and they have been asked for 15,000, coming to me and they have been asked for15,000, £16,000. they haven't got it. and they have been warned that they will eventually

have to sell their homes. that is a dreadful thing hanging over anybody. the government and the solicitors' watchdog both said they are investigating — and appropriate action will be taken if standards haven't been met. those affected are being advised to seek legal advice as they may be able to make a claim on ssb law's insurance. we're joined now by brett dixon who is a law society council member and also a personal injury lawyer. good to have you with this. firstly, how is— good to have you with this. firstly, how is it _ good to have you with this. firstly, how is it come to this? they've signed — how is it come to this? they've signed up — how is it come to this? they've signed up for no—win, no fee and they— signed up for no—win, no fee and they are — signed up for no—win, no fee and they are hit — signed up for no—win, no fee and they are hit with a legal fees. the background _ they are hit with a legal fees. the background is that no—win, no fee was introduced _ background is that no—win, no fee was introduced as _ background is that no—win, no fee was introduced as civil— background is that no—win, no fee was introduced as civil legal- background is that no—win, no fee was introduced as civil legal aid i was introduced as civil legal aid was introduced as civil legal aid was removed _ was introduced as civil legal aid was removed by— was introduced as civil legal aid was removed by the _ was introduced as civil legal aid. was removed by the government was introduced as civil legal aid i was removed by the government and its there _ was removed by the government and its there for— was removed by the government and its there for people _ was removed by the government and its there for people who _ was removed by the government and its there for people who cannot - its there for people who cannot afford — its there for people who cannot afford the — its there for people who cannot afford the legal _ its there for people who cannot afford the legal help _ its there for people who cannot afford the legal help they - its there for people who cannotl afford the legal help they need, its there for people who cannot i afford the legal help they need, so there _ afford the legal help they need, so there is— afford the legal help they need, so there is a _ afford the legal help they need, so there is a way— afford the legal help they need, so there is a way to _ afford the legal help they need, so there is a way to get _ afford the legal help they need, so there is a way to get that - afford the legal help they need, so there is a way to get that legal- there is a way to get that legal help— there is a way to get that legal help and — there is a way to get that legal help and what _ there is a way to get that legal help and what you _ there is a way to get that legal help and what you need - there is a way to get that legal help and what you need is i there is a way to get that legal help and what you need is to l there is a way to get that legall help and what you need is to be certain— help and what you need is to be certain that _ help and what you need is to be certain that she _ help and what you need is to be certain that she will— help and what you need is to be certain that she will not - help and what you need is to be certain that she will not pay- help and what you need is to bel certain that she will not pay your solicitors — certain that she will not pay your solicitors fees _ certain that she will not pay your solicitors fees if _ certain that she will not pay your solicitors fees if your— certain that she will not pay your solicitors fees if your case - certain that she will not pay your solicitors fees if your case is i certain that she will not pay your solicitors fees if your case is not| solicitors fees if your case is not successful— solicitors fees if your case is not successful -- _ solicitors fees if your case is not successful —— that _ solicitors fees if your case is not successful —— that you _ solicitors fees if your case is not successful —— that you will- solicitors fees if your case is not successful —— that you will not. i successful —— that you will not. because — successful —— that you will not. because you _ successful —— that you will not. because you can _ successful —— that you will not. because you can win _ successful —— that you will not. because you can win and - successful —— that you will not. because you can win and lose i successful —— that you will not. l because you can win and lose at court _ because you can win and lose at court but — because you can win and lose at court but you _ because you can win and lose at court. but you need _ because you can win and lose at court. but you need to - because you can win and lose at court. but you need to be - because you can win and lose at| court. but you need to be certain there _ court. but you need to be certain there is— court. but you need to be certain there is something _

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difficulties that might arise if a firm closes down. who on earth to check whether _ firm closes down. who on earth to check whether there _ firm closes down. who on earth to check whether there is _ firm closes down. who on earth to check whether there is sufficient l check whether there is sufficient indemnity fund or good insurance policy held by the solicitor that tells you, we will deal with this and if you don't win, you don't pay? the truth is when people go to ca solicitor— the truth is when people go to ca solicitor it's — the truth is when people go to ca solicitor it's usually _ the truth is when people go to ca solicitor it's usually at _ the truth is when people go to ca solicitor it's usually at a _ the truth is when people go to ca solicitor it's usually at a live - solicitor it's usually at a live event — solicitor it's usually at a live event point _ solicitor it's usually at a live event point. 1&— solicitor it's usually at a live event point-— solicitor it's usually at a live event oint. . . , , , event point. a crisis point. they have been _ event point. a crisis point. they have been injured _ event point. a crisis point. they have been injured through i event point. a crisis point. they have been injured through no i event point. a crisis point. they i have been injured through no point of their own or they have had another life event.— of their own or they have had another life event. they want to buy another life event. they want to buy a house, another life event. they want to buy a house. or — another life event. they want to buy a house. or they _ another life event. they want to buy a house, or they are _ another life event. they want to buy a house, or they are getting - another life event. they want to buy a house, or they are getting a i a house, or they are getting a divorce — a house, or they are getting a divorce now— a house, or they are getting a divorce. now one _ a house, or they are getting a divorce. now one of - a house, or they are getting a divorce. now one of the - a house, or they are getting a i divorce. now one of the reasons people _ divorce. now one of the reasons people go— divorce. now one of the reasons people go to _ divorce. now one of the reasons people go to solicitors _ divorce. now one of the reasons people go to solicitors as - divorce. now one of the reasons people go to solicitors as there i divorce. now one of the reasonsl people go to solicitors as there is a framework— people go to solicitors as there is a framework and _ people go to solicitors as there is a framework and safety _ people go to solicitors as there is a framework and safety net - people go to solicitors as there is a framework and safety net in i people go to solicitors as there is i a framework and safety net in place for when _ a framework and safety net in place for when things— a framework and safety net in place for when things go _ a framework and safety net in place for when things go wrong. - a framework and safety net in place for when things go wrong. the i for when things go wrong. the difficulties— for when things go wrong. the difficulties with _ for when things go wrong. the difficulties with tom _ for when things go wrong. the difficulties with tom plex - for when things go wrong. the i difficulties with tom plex areas is not often — difficulties with tom plex areas is not often we _ difficulties with tom plex areas is not often we don't _ difficulties with tom plex areas is not often we don't know- difficulties with tom plex areas is not often we don't know the - not often we don't know the questions _ not often we don't know the questions to _ not often we don't know the questions to ask. _ not often we don't know the questions to ask. -- - not often we don't know the questions to ask. not often we don't know the cuestions to ask. . ., , . . , questions to ask. -- complex areas. peole questions to ask. -- complex areas. peeple watching _ questions to ask. -- complex areas. people watching now, _ questions to ask. -- complex areas. people watching now, regardless . questions to ask. -- complex areas. people watching now, regardless of| people watching now, regardless of how the claims came about, what now for people who thought they could use a no—win, no fee system and people think, i'm still not in a position where i can afford a solicitor but now i need to know

what questions to ask.— what questions to ask. yes. fundamentally _ what questions to ask. yes. fundamentally it _ what questions to ask. yes. fundamentally it is - what questions to ask. yes. i fundamentally it is important what questions to ask. yes. - fundamentally it is important to have _ fundamentally it is important to have access _ fundamentally it is important to have access to _ fundamentally it is important to have access to justice _ fundamentally it is important to have access to justice for - fundamentally it is important to - have access to justice for everybody and for _ have access to justice for everybody and for there — have access to justice for everybody and for there to _ have access to justice for everybody and for there to be _ have access to justice for everybody and for there to be a _ have access to justice for everybody and for there to be a means- have access to justice for everybody and for there to be a means to - have access to justice for everybody and for there to be a means to get. and for there to be a means to get legat— and for there to be a means to get legal help— and for there to be a means to get legal help when _ and for there to be a means to get legal help when you _ and for there to be a means to get legal help when you need - and for there to be a means to get legal help when you need it - and for there to be a means to get legal help when you need it and i legal help when you need it and the no-win, _ legal help when you need it and the no-win, no — legal help when you need it and the no-win, no fee— legal help when you need it and the no—win, no fee agreement - legal help when you need it and the no—win, no fee agreement is the i no—win, no fee agreement is the methodology that— no—win, no fee agreement is the methodology that the _ no—win, no fee agreement is the i methodology that the government require _ methodology that the government require to — methodology that the government require to be — methodology that the government require to be used _ methodology that the government require to be used and _ methodology that the government require to be used and the - methodology that the government. require to be used and the questions you would _ require to be used and the questions you would ask — require to be used and the questions you would ask and i've _ require to be used and the questions you would ask and i've had similar. you would ask and i've had similar conversations _ you would ask and i've had similar conversations with _ you would ask and i've had similar conversations with family- you would ask and i've had similari conversations with family members is, what _ conversations with family members is. what happens _ conversations with family members is, what happens if— conversations with family members is, what happens if i _ conversations with family members is, what happens if i lose, - conversations with family members is, what happens if i lose, what- is, what happens if i lose, what happens — is, what happens if i lose, what happens to— is, what happens if i lose, what happens to your _ is, what happens if i lose, what happens to your fees. - is, what happens if i lose, what happens to your fees. what - is, what happens if i lose, what- happens to your fees. what happens to the _ happens to your fees. what happens to the other— happens to your fees. what happens to the other side's _ happens to your fees. what happens to the other side's fees _ to the other side's fees and it's that which— to the other side's fees and it's that which is _ to the other side's fees and it's that which is fundamental- to the other side's fees and it's that which is fundamental to i that which is fundamental to understanding _ that which is fundamental to understanding whether- that which is fundamental to understanding whether you i that which is fundamental to . understanding whether you are property — understanding whether you are properly protected. _ understanding whether you are properly protected.— understanding whether you are properly protected. people will be watchin: properly protected. people will be watching their _ properly protected. people will be watching their television - properly protected. people will be watching their television in - properly protected. people will be watching their television in the . watching their television in the middle of the situation will see an advert that comes on saying, no—win, no fee, so how is that allowed? it should be no—win, no fee but there might be a fee if there is a problem

somewhere down the line? how is it allowed that these are legal firms putting out the adverts, and if that is not true, and in this case it's not true, how is it allowed? in is not true, and in this case it's not true, how is it allowed? in this case as far — not true, how is it allowed? in this case as far as _ not true, how is it allowed? in this case as far as our— not true, how is it allowed? in this case as far as our understanding i not true, how is it allowed? in this case as far as our understanding isj case as far as our understanding is to complete — case as far as our understanding is to complete as _ case as far as our understanding is to conrptete as to _ case as far as our understanding is to complete as to what went - case as far as our understanding is. to complete as to what went wrong, they had _ to complete as to what went wrong, they had treen— to complete as to what went wrong, they had been advised _ to complete as to what went wrong, they had been advised that - to complete as to what went wrong, l they had been advised that insurance cover— they had been advised that insurance cover woutd — they had been advised that insurance cover would he — they had been advised that insurance cover would be put— they had been advised that insurance cover would be put in— they had been advised that insurance cover would be put in place, - they had been advised that insurance cover would be put in place, so- they had been advised that insurance cover would be put in place, so it - cover would be put in place, so it would _ cover would be put in place, so it would he — cover would be put in place, so it would be no—win, _ cover would be put in place, so it would be no—win, no _ cover would be put in place, so it would be no—win, no fee - cover would be put in place, so it would be no—win, no fee so- cover would be put in place, so it would be no—win, no fee so you i would be no—win, no fee so you wouldn't — would be no—win, no fee so you wouldn't play _ would be no—win, no fee so you wouldn't play -- _ would be no—win, no fee so you wouldn't play -- pay— would be no—win, no fee so you wouldn't play —— pay the - would be no—win, no fee so you . wouldn't play —— pay the solicitors costs _ wouldn't play —— pay the solicitors costs if— wouldn't play —— pay the solicitors costs if you — wouldn't play —— pay the solicitors costs if you lost _ wouldn't play —— pay the solicitors costs if you lost and _ wouldn't play —— pay the solicitors costs if you lost and there - wouldn't play —— pay the solicitorsl costs if you lost and there wouldn't be costs if you lost and there wouldn't he cover— costs if you lost and there wouldn't he cover for— costs if you lost and there wouldn't be cover for the _ costs if you lost and there wouldn't be cover for the other— costs if you lost and there wouldn't be cover for the other side's - costs if you lost and there wouldn't be cover for the other side's costs, j be cover for the other side's costs, and it— be cover for the other side's costs, and it seems— be cover for the other side's costs, and it seems that _ be cover for the other side's costs, and it seems that may— be cover for the other side's costs, and it seems that may not - be cover for the other side's costs, and it seems that may not have . and it seems that may not have happened — and it seems that may not have happened and _ and it seems that may not have happened and that's _ and it seems that may not have happened and that's where - and it seems that may not have happened and that's where the | happened and that's where the problems. _ happened and that's where the problems, rather— happened and that's where the problems, rather than- happened and that's where the problems, rather than the - happened and that's where the l problems, rather than the things that they— problems, rather than the things that they have _ problems, rather than the things that they have to _ problems, rather than the things that they have to them. - problems, rather than the things that they have to them. but- problems, rather than the things that they have to them. but they've offered something _ that they have to them. but they've offered something that _ that they have to them. but they've offered something that could - that they have to them. but they've offered something that could not i offered something that could not happen. if i'm understanding what you said correctly, those legal firms did offer something they could not guarantee. is that right? itrtui’eiiii. not guarantee. is that right? well, no, the insurance _ not guarantee. is that right? well, no, the insurance policy _ not guarantee. is that right? well, no, the insurance policy to - not guarantee. is that right? well, no, the insurance policy to cover i no, the insurance policy to cover the cost — no, the insurance policy to cover the cost of — no, the insurance policy to cover the cost of the _ no, the insurance policy to cover the cost of the other— no, the insurance policy to cover the cost of the other side - no, the insurance policy to cover the cost of the other side if- no, the insurance policy to cover the cost of the other side if you i the cost of the other side if you lose _ the cost of the other side if you lose woutd _ the cost of the other side if you lose would provide _ the cost of the other side if you lose would provide the - the cost of the other side if you i lose would provide the element. the cost of the other side if you - lose would provide the element. 50 lose would provide the element. so it lose would provide the element. it wasn't in place? lose would provide the element. so it wasn't in place? so _ lose would provide the element. so it wasn't in place? so they - lose would provide the element. so it wasn't in place? so they knew- it wasn't in place? so they knew when they _

it wasn't in place? so they knew when they advertised _ it wasn't in place? so they knew when they advertised the - it wasn't in place? so they knew. when they advertised the product, it wasn't in place? so they knew- when they advertised the product, it could _ when they advertised the product, it could not— when they advertised the product, it could not offer— when they advertised the product, it could not offer what _ when they advertised the product, it could not offer what it _ when they advertised the product, it could not offer what it offered. - when they advertised the product, it could not offer what it offered. i- could not offer what it offered. i don't _ could not offer what it offered. i don't know _ could not offer what it offered. i don't know if— could not offer what it offered. i don't know if they _ could not offer what it offered. i don't know if they did _ could not offer what it offered. i don't know if they did know - could not offer what it offered. i don't know if they did know or. don't know if they did know or didn't— don't know if they did know or didn't know _ don't know if they did know or didn't know. if— don't know if they did know or didn't know. if they— don't know if they did know or didn't know. if they had - don't know if they did know or. didn't know. if they had offered don't know if they did know or- didn't know. if they had offered it and it— didn't know. if they had offered it and it was— didn't know. if they had offered it and it was not— didn't know. if they had offered it and it was not in— didn't know. if they had offered it and it was not in place, _ didn't know. if they had offered it and it was not in place, to - didn't know. if they had offered it and it was not in place, to my- didn't know. if they had offered it i and it was not in place, to my mind, i and it was not in place, to my mind, iwoutd _ and it was not in place, to my mind, iwoutd view— and it was not in place, to my mind, i would view that _ and it was not in place, to my mind, i would view that is _ and it was not in place, to my mind, i would view that is negligent - and it was not in place, to my mind, i would view that is negligent and i i would view that is negligent and that is— i would view that is negligent and that is where _ i would view that is negligent and that is where the _ i would view that is negligent and that is where the indemnity- that is where the indemnity insurance _ that is where the indemnity insurance comes— that is where the indemnity insurance comes into - that is where the indemnity insurance comes into it. - that is where the indemnity insurance comes into it. that's what is bein: insurance comes into it. that's what is being looked _ insurance comes into it. that's what is being looked at. _ insurance comes into it. that's what is being looked at. it's _ insurance comes into it. that's what is being looked at. it's a _ insurance comes into it. that's what is being looked at. it's a safety - is being looked at. it's a safety net. is being looked at. it's a safety net- thanks — is being looked at. it's a safety net. thanks so _ is being looked at. it's a safety net. thanks so much _ is being looked at. it's a safety net. thanks so much for - is being looked at. it's a safety| net. thanks so much forjoining is being looked at. it's a safety . net. thanks so much forjoining us net. thanks so much for 'oining us and thank you. t net. thanks so much for 'oining us and thank you, ben, _ net. thanks so much forjoining us and thank you, ben, very - net. thanks so much forjoining us and thank you, ben, very much. i police in some areas say they're now catching more drivers under the influence of illegal drugs than of alcohol — with one force describing what they called an "epidemic" of drug—driving. senior offers say some motorists seem to vew drug—driving as more acceptable than drink—driving. our transport correspondent katy austin reports. 9am on a tuesday morning and merseyside police are out in central liverpool. today, they're particularly looking out for drink and drug driving. officers have been pulling over any vehicles that look like they're unsafe in some way or are being driven

in an unsafe manner. and already, within half an hour this morning, they've made three arrests after positive roadside drug tests. 927. those tests, called drug wipes, indicated the presence of cannabis, cocaine or both. that gets them arrested and taken to the station for a forensic blood test. and the result of that dictates whether any further action is taken. how prevalent do you think drug—driving actually is? so we've seen quite a lot, it's really prevalent. over the last few years, we've seen year—on—year increases of the number of people that were arrested for drug—driving. as a proportion — about two thirds the number of drugs to one third drink — that's generally throughout the year. driving with certain illegal or prescription drugs in your system above set limits can lead to a driving ban, a fine or potentially prison time. while causing death by careless driving under the influence of drugs can carry a life sentence. summerfrom king's lynn knows the impact drug—driving can have all too well. looking at this photo,

itjust takes my breath away. just me being the only one left. a year ago, her mother, sister and stepdad were killed in a crash, caused by a driver with drugs in his system. the moment them people are gone, like your whole life has just been destroyed. it's absolutely shattered into a million pieces. she thinks greater awareness is needed and stronger punishments. we need harsher sentencing at the start. if someone is to commit drug—driving, it needs to be harsher straight away because if you have a harsh sentence that puts someone away the moment they drug—drive, that is going to deter people. national police leaders also want to see tougher sentences. they don't think there's the same understanding or social stigma around drug—driving compared with drink—driving. we're definitely seeing more younger people, who are driving under the influence of drugs. i think generally in society we're seeing more use of cannabis, for example, and we are definitely

seeing that when we are stopping and testing drivers. drink—driving, ithink, still remains more socially unacceptable. police say too many people are still getting behind the wheel under the influence of drink or drugs, but with drugs in particular, they're seeing the trend go in the wrong direction. katie austin, bbc news. we're joined now by professor kim wolff, who helped advise the government on drug—driving legislation, and also by teresa clark, who has a personal experience of this. you run the wellness revolution, and this is an organisation that i think i'm correct in saying champions well—being in the there is a reason you are doing this now. can you tell us why? in you are doing this now. can you tell us wh ? :: :: ~ you are doing this now. can you tell

uswh? ::::~ you are doing this now. can you tell uswh ? iii: ~ ., us why? in 2006 i was driving home from a festival _ us why? in 2006 i was driving home from a festival and _ us why? in 2006 i was driving home from a festival and i _ us why? in 2006 i was driving home from a festival and i had _ us why? in 2006 i was driving home from a festival and i had taken - from a festival and i had taken ecstasy, and unfortunately i fell asleep while driving and three of my friends sadly passed away. thea;r asleep while driving and three of my friends sadly passed away. they were in the car with — friends sadly passed away. they were in the car with you? _ friends sadly passed away. they were in the car with you? they _ friends sadly passed away. they were in the car with you? they were - friends sadly passed away. they were in the car with you? they were in - in the car with you? they were in the car and _ in the car with you? they were in the car and my — in the car with you? they were in the car and my friends _ in the car with you? they were in the car and my friends in - in the car with you? they were in the car and my friends in the - in the car with you? they were in | the car and my friends in the back weren't wearing a seat belt so there weren't wearing a seat belt so there were many factors, and i nearly died, and i lost six and a half pints of blood and had a fence post went through my leg and out of my bottom and then in this leg and it was absolutely horrific and i had very severe mental help issues and i went to prison for two years and my life since then has been rebuilding and making and i made a promise to my friends and i stood by the and now i tell my story and we understand the consequences of actions. ~ ., ., , ., , actions. who do you tell your story to? itell actions. who do you tell your story to? i tell it — actions. who do you tell your story to? | tell it to — actions. who do you tell your story

to? i tell it to people _ actions. who do you tell your story to? i tell it to people i— actions. who do you tell your story to? i tell it to people i work- actions. who do you tell your story to? i tell it to people i work with, l to? i tell it to people i work with, and i will also _ to? i tell it to people i work with, and i will also be _ to? i tell it to people i work with, and i will also be starting - to? i tell it to people i work with, and i will also be starting to - to? i tell it to people i work with, and i will also be starting to go i and i will also be starting to go into schools this year. this and i will also be starting to go into schools this year.- into schools this year. this is interesting. _ into schools this year. this is interesting, because - into schools this year. this is interesting, because drugs . into schools this year. this is - interesting, because drugs come along in life, and some choose to and some choose not to experiment, and some choose not to experiment, and you can't always stop that, you could give advice, but you cannot stop it, say the fact is, do you think there is an awareness, because we've had such big drink—driving campaigns, do you think there is such an impact for drug—driving, that you've taken drugs on a saturday night and you're driving on a sunday afternoon, the impact that might have. is that something that needs to be spoken about? definitely. there's a lack of awareness and may be a naivety that it won't happen to me or maybe it's not as bad as drinking. i also think we cannot ignore the root causes of why people are drink—driving and drug—driving driving and how directly related it is to mental health and addiction, and i think that something that is overlooked

because somebody in a good state of mind will not make those kind of decisions as well and i think we need more education around it, around drugs because they are illegal and in the shadow side, so it's something people don't talk about as much. fir it's something people don't talk about as much.— it's something people don't talk| about as much._ or it's something people don't talk- about as much._ or ask about as much. or ask about. or ask about as much. or ask about. or ask about openly- _ about as much. or ask about. or ask about openly. just _ about as much. or ask about. or ask about openly. just bring _ about as much. or ask about. or ask about openly. just bring us - about as much. or ask about. or ask about openly. just bring us up to - about openly. just bring us up to date in terms _ about openly. just bring us up to date in terms of _ about openly. just bring us up to date in terms of uk _ about openly. just bring us up to date in terms of uk driving - date in terms of uk driving legislation. we saw the statistics a monrent— legislation. we saw the statistics a moment ago about the number of times when people stopped and are found to have treen— when people stopped and are found to have been found to be using drugs. take us— have been found to be using drugs. take us through what the legislation is and _ take us through what the legislation is and how— take us through what the legislation is and how it may or may not change. in is and how it may or may not change. in 2015, _ is and how it may or may not change. in 2015, as _ is and how it may or may not change. in 2015, as you — is and how it may or may not change. in 2015, as you know, the government introduced _ in 2015, as you know, the government introduced a _ in 2015, as you know, the government introduced a strict _ in 2015, as you know, the government introduced a strict liability _ introduced a strict liability offence _ introduced a strict liability offence for _ introduced a strict liability offence for 17 _ introduced a strict liability offence for 17 different - introduced a strict liability - offence for 17 different drugs, a mixture — offence for17 different drugs, a mixture of— offence for 17 different drugs, a mixture of illicit _ offence for 17 different drugs, a mixture of illicit drugs - offence for 17 different drugs, a mixture of illicit drugs and - mixture of illicit drugs and prescribed _ mixture of illicit drugs and prescribed drugs- mixture of illicit drugs and prescribed drugs to - mixture of illicit drugs and prescribed drugs to makei mixture of illicit drugs and - prescribed drugs to make them illeqal— prescribed drugs to make them illegal to — prescribed drugs to make them illegal to be _ prescribed drugs to make them illegal to be found _ prescribed drugs to make them illegal to be found in— prescribed drugs to make them illegal to be found in the - prescribed drugs to make them illegal to be found in the body. illegal to be found in the body above — illegal to be found in the body above a — illegal to be found in the body above a certain— illegal to be found in the body above a certain limit- illegal to be found in the body above a certain limit and - illegal to be found in the body above a certain limit and a - illegal to be found in the body- above a certain limit and a greater awareness — above a certain limit and a greater awareness and _ above a certain limit and a greater awareness and testing _

above a certain limit and a greater awareness and testing of- above a certain limit and a greater awareness and testing of that - awareness and testing of that legislation— awareness and testing of that legislation has— awareness and testing of that legislation has caused - awareness and testing of that legislation has caused the - awareness and testing of that - legislation has caused the increase and we've — legislation has caused the increase and we've seen— legislation has caused the increase and we've seen these _ legislation has caused the increase and we've seen these defences - legislation has caused the increase i and we've seen these defences taken through— and we've seen these defences taken through the _ and we've seen these defences taken through the system. _ and we've seen these defences taken through the system. inth?— and we've seen these defences taken through the system.— and we've seen these defences taken through the system. why do you think there seems — through the system. why do you think there seems to _ through the system. why do you think there seems to be _ through the system. why do you think there seems to be a _ through the system. why do you think there seems to be a gap _ through the system. why do you think there seems to be a gap in _ through the system. why do you think there seems to be a gap in peoples i there seems to be a gap in peoples understanding of what constitutes a driving _ understanding of what constitutes a driving offence in terms of something affecting your ability to drive and — something affecting your ability to drive and be breaking the law. | drive and be breaking the law. i think drive and be breaking the law. think it's drive and be breaking the law. i think it's interesting. as we know, qeneration— think it's interesting. as we know, qeneration 2— think it's interesting. as we know, generation 2 do— think it's interesting. as we know, generation 2 do not _ think it's interesting. as we know, generation 2 do not tend - think it's interesting. as we know, generation 2 do not tend to - think it's interesting. as we know, generation 2 do not tend to use i generation 2 do not tend to use drink— generation 2 do not tend to use drink as — generation 2 do not tend to use drink as much _ generation 2 do not tend to use drink as much as _ generation 2 do not tend to use drink as much as they - generation 2 do not tend to use drink as much as they do - generation 2 do not tend to use | drink as much as they do drugs, generation 2 do not tend to use - drink as much as they do drugs, and i drink as much as they do drugs, and i think— drink as much as they do drugs, and i think the _ drink as much as they do drugs, and i think the legislation _ drink as much as they do drugs, and i think the legislation has _ i think the legislation has recoqnised _ i think the legislation has recognised this— i think the legislation has recognised this but - i think the legislation has . recognised this but perhaps i think the legislation has - recognised this but perhaps the awareness _ recognised this but perhaps the awareness of _ recognised this but perhaps the awareness of young _ recognised this but perhaps the awareness of young people - recognised this but perhaps thej awareness of young people who recognised this but perhaps the - awareness of young people who are caught _ awareness of young people who are caught in— awareness of young people who are caught in these _ awareness of young people who are caught in these situations _ awareness of young people who are caught in these situations is - awareness of young people who are caught in these situations is not - awareness of young people who are caught in these situations is not asi caught in these situations is not as good _ caught in these situations is not as good as— caught in these situations is not as good as it — caught in these situations is not as good as it might— caught in these situations is not as good as it might be, _ caught in these situations is not as good as it might be, so— caught in these situations is not as good as it might be, so i— caught in these situations is not as good as it might be, so i agree - caught in these situations is not asl good as it might be, so i agree with what was _ good as it might be, so i agree with what was said — good as it might be, so i agree with what was said earlier _ good as it might be, so i agree with what was said earlier that _ good as it might be, so i agree with what was said earlier that there - what was said earlier that there needs— what was said earlier that there needs to — what was said earlier that there needs to be _ what was said earlier that there needs to be an _ what was said earlier that there needs to be an awareness - what was said earlier that there - needs to be an awareness campaign and better— needs to be an awareness campaign and better education— needs to be an awareness campaign and better education about - needs to be an awareness campaign and better education about the - and better education about the dangers— and better education about the dangers of— and better education about the dangers of drink _ and better education about the dangers of drink and _ and better education about the dangers of drink and driving, . and better education about the . dangers of drink and driving, and drugs— dangers of drink and driving, and druqsand— dangers of drink and driving, and drugs and driving. _ dangers of drink and driving, and drugs and driving.— dangers of drink and driving, and drugs and driving. going back to the incident you — drugs and driving. going back to the incident you were _ drugs and driving. going back to the incident you were involved - drugs and driving. going back to the incident you were involved in, - drugs and driving. going back to the incident you were involved in, can . incident you were involved in, can you put— incident you were involved in, can you put yourself back into the mindset — you put yourself back into the mindset you had at the time, in

relation — mindset you had at the time, in relation to— mindset you had at the time, in relation to what you were thinking and how— relation to what you were thinking and how that is relevant now to encourage _ and how that is relevant now to encourage people to think differently? yes i was 26 at the time _ differently? yes i was 26 at the time and — differently? yes i was 26 at the time and very naive. it�*s differently? yes i was 26 at the time and very naive.— time and very naive. it's one of those things — time and very naive. it's one of those things where _ time and very naive. it's one of those things where i _ time and very naive. it's one of those things where i think - time and very naive. it's one of those things where i think it. time and very naive. it's one of. those things where i think it won't happen to me. we were all having a good time, like it did not even seem... and i think because i had not had a drink and i had this idea around drinking was really bad, and then not driving, but i will be honest, i had driven before when i'd taken honest, i had driven before when i'd ta ken ecstasy honest, i had driven before when i'd taken ecstasy so it wasn't like a split second decision i made. i thought it would be ok and i was trying to limit damage and i took my last half at 8pm and didn't drive until 12 and had the accident at 4.9, tram, until 12 and had the accident at 4.9, 4am, so i guess in my way i was trying to be responsible but did not really understand the magnitude of the decision i was making. there really understand the magnitude of the decision i was making.- the decision i was making. there is also eer the decision i was making. there is also peer pressure. _ the decision i was making. there is also peer pressure. now— the decision i was making. there is also peer pressure. now you - the decision i was making. there is also peer pressure. now you see, ij also peer pressure. now you see, i think most people are quite comfortable if their friend

think most people are quite comfortable if theirfriend has had a drink and about to get in the car, to take the car keys. once upon a time you would not dream of doing it, and you might think, oh no, they are going to drive, but that kind of needs to be in the world of drugs now. ok, we take drugs, but you've done it and we are not driving. totally. done it and we are not driving. totall . r �* . . done it and we are not driving. totall . . �* , , ., , done it and we are not driving. totall . . �*, , ., , ., done it and we are not driving. totall.�* �*, , .,, totally. and it's being able to be confident with _ totally. and it's being able to be confident with that _ totally. and it's being able to be confident with that language - totally. and it's being able to be. confident with that language even totally. and it's being able to be i confident with that language even if you are at a younger age, because you are at a younger age, because you think that and your friends are busy did not say anything, i'm assuming. taste busy did not say anything, i'm assuming-— busy did not say anything, i'm assuminl. ., ., ., , , , busy did not say anything, i'm assuminu. . ., ., , , assuming. we all had a consensus and eve bod assuming. we all had a consensus and everybody was — assuming. we all had a consensus and everybody was aware, _ assuming. we all had a consensus and everybody was aware, so _ assuming. we all had a consensus and everybody was aware, so there - assuming. we all had a consensus and everybody was aware, so there was i assuming. we all had a consensus and everybody was aware, so there was a l everybody was aware, so there was a kind of group think like, is this 0k, kind of group think like, is this ok, we will stay awake with you and we had all these plans, but obviously things don't go to plan and that's the thing. we think we are in control of everything and we are in control of everything and we are not and that split decision, you look at the impact it has had on so many lives, it'sjust not look at the impact it has had on so many lives, it's just not worth it. thank you very much, therese i, for sharing _ thank you very much, therese i, for sharing your — thank you very much, therese i, for sharing your story, and professor, thank— sharing your story, and professor,

thank you — sharing your story, and professor, thank you for your time this morning _ in a statement, the home office said that driving under the influence of drugs is unacceptable, adding that it has tough penalties and rigorous enforcement in place to screen people at the roadside. it added that people found guilty of causing death by careless driving while under the influence of drugs can now face a lifetime prison sentence. the singer—songwriter paloma faith is known for her unapologetic approach to both life and music. three years away from performing, she's back with her sixth studio album, "the glorification of sadness", which in part deals with the breakdown of her long term relationship. let's take a look at some of paloma's most iconic hits from the past decade. # now she's gone # and i'm picking up the pieces # i watch you cry, but you don't see # that i'm the one by your side

# 'cause ijust need your song # something to sing along # when i'm not feeling strong, i need you # to sing me your sweet lullaby # sing your own special song # make your own kind of music # even if nobody else sings along # to try to pull you closer # tell you that it ain't over # remember what i told ya # this is how you leave a man # and you painted me this way # then act surprised when i changed # i'm not a good girl, i'm a bad woman paloma faithjoins us now. good morning. so nice to be here. looking _ good morning. so nice to be here. looking very— good morning. so nice to be here. looking very regal. i'm enjoying that. how are you? i’m looking very regal. i'm en'oying that. how are you?* looking very regal. i'm en'oying that. how are you? i'm very good, i'm that. how are you? i'm very good,

l'm excited — that. how are you? i'm very good, l'm excited to _ that. how are you? i'm very good, i'm excited to have _ that. how are you? i'm very good, i'm excited to have an _ that. how are you? i'm very good, i'm excited to have an album - that. how are you? i'm very good, i'm excited to have an album out i i'm excited to have an album out again _ i'm excited to have an album out aaain. �* . . i'm excited to have an album out aaain. �* , , ., i'm excited to have an album out again-_ they i i'm excited to have an album out| again-_ they say again. it's been a while. they say that but i work _ again. it's been a while. they say that but i work incessantly - that but i work incessantly and people — that but i work incessantly and people say you took a break and unlike _ people say you took a break and unlike now,. people say you took a break and unlike nown— people say you took a break and unlike now,. ~ ., , ., , ., unlike now,. where are you when you are writin: unlike now,. where are you when you are writing stuff. _ unlike now,. where are you when you are writing stuff. where _ unlike now,. where are you when you are writing stuff. where is _ unlike now,. where are you when you are writing stuff. where is your - are writing stuff. where is your place? do you have a place? i go are writing stuff. where is your place? do you have a place? i go to a studio that _ place? do you have a place? i go to a studio that is _ place? do you have a place? i go to a studio that is close _ place? do you have a place? i go to a studio that is close to _ place? do you have a place? i go to a studio that is close to my - place? do you have a place? i go to a studio that is close to my house i a studio that is close to my house because _ a studio that is close to my house because i— a studio that is close to my house because i got the two kids. you can't concentrate _ because i got the two kids. you can't concentrate on _ because i got the two kids. gm. can't concentrate on the house because there is too much noise. and because there is too much noise. and i like to be close so i have as little — i like to be close so i have as little travel time as possible but i'm little travel time as possible but i'm really— little travel time as possible but i'm really excited about this, it is my sixth — i'm really excited about this, it is my sixth album called the glorification of sadness and it's all about— glorification of sadness and it's all about illustrating the stages of .rief all about illustrating the stages of grief that i went through when breaking up with my children's dad, which _ breaking up with my children's dad, which is _ breaking up with my children's dad, which is kind of like an unusual subject— which is kind of like an unusual subject matter in pop, because in country. — subject matter in pop, because in country. in — subject matter in pop, because in country, in that genre, people sing about— country, in that genre, people sing about reality and being a parent and all of— about reality and being a parent and all of that— about reality and being a parent and all of that and i've done it in the pop all of that and i've done it in the

pop genre, _ all of that and i've done it in the pop genre, because my kids voices are on— pop genre, because my kids voices are on the — pop genre, because my kids voices are on the album and i feel devastated by the situation, but it chronicles — devastated by the situation, but it chronicles those stages of grief. it's chronicles those stages of grief. it's been — chronicles those stages of grief. it's beenjust over two chronicles those stages of grief. it's been just over two years chronicles those stages of grief. it's beenjust over two years now and it's— it's beenjust over two years now and it's a — it's beenjust over two years now and it's a labour of love, and actually— and it's a labour of love, and actually while i was writing it i felt it— actually while i was writing it i felt it was very therapeutic to do it, felt it was very therapeutic to do it. but— felt it was very therapeutic to do it, but coming back and doing interviews feels like picking the scab _ interviews feels like picking the scab off— interviews feels like picking the scab off every time, revisiting those — scab off every time, revisiting those feelings, but it is out and, yes. _ those feelings, but it is out and, yes. luckily— those feelings, but it is out and, yes, luckily 50% of marriages end in divorce. _ yes, luckily 50% of marriages end in divorce. so— yes, luckily 50% of marriages end in divorce, so there's a lot of people in the _ divorce, so there's a lot of people in the country who will understand it. ., . _ in the country who will understand it. you are saying luckily, not because of— it. you are saying luckily, not because of your _ it. you are saying luckily, not because of your marriage. i i it. you are saying luckily, not i because of your marriage. i mean --eole because of your marriage. i mean people empathise _ because of your marriage. i mean people empathise with _ because of your marriage. i mean people empathise with and - because of your marriage. i mean people empathise with and it's i people empathise with and it's articulating things that aren't necessarily commonly said in the context— necessarily commonly said in the context of— necessarily commonly said in the context of popular music. | necessarily commonly said in the context of popular music.- context of popular music. i don't wish to pick _ context of popular music. i don't wish to pick away _ context of popular music. i don't wish to pick away at _ context of popular music. i don't wish to pick away at the - context of popular music. i don't wish to pick away at the scab. i context of popular music. i don't i wish to pick away at the scab. carry on, i'm wish to pick away at the scab. carry on. l'm used _ wish to pick away at the scab. carry on. l'm used to _ wish to pick away at the scab. carry on, i'm used to it— wish to pick away at the scab. carry on, i'm used to it now. _

wish to pick away at the scab. carry on, i'm used to it now. sounds- wish to pick away at the scab. carry| on, i'm used to it now. sounds very uncomfortable, _ on, i'm used to it now. sounds very uncomfortable, but _ on, i'm used to it now. sounds very uncomfortable, but you're - on, i'm used to it now. sounds very uncomfortable, but you're putting i on, i'm used to it now. sounds very| uncomfortable, but you're putting it out there, and it is a brave thing to do. you are baring your soul in a way a lot of people frankly wouldn't. i way a lot of people frankly wouldn't-— way a lot of people frankly wouldn't. ~ , , ., �*, wouldn't. i think so, because that's what i've always _ wouldn't. i think so, because that's what i've always done _ wouldn't. i think so, because that's what i've always done and - wouldn't. i think so, because that's what i've always done and what i what i've always done and what people — what i've always done and what people say they quite like about me, you say— people say they quite like about me, you say stuff and make me feel normal — you say stuff and make me feel normal it — you say stuff and make me feel normal. it is a taboo subject and that is— normal. it is a taboo subject and that is not— normal. it is a taboo subject and that is not a _ normal. it is a taboo subject and that is not a great thing. i think it feels— that is not a great thing. i think it feels better for people, like a lot of— it feels better for people, like a lot of parents have come out to me about _ lot of parents have come out to me about some — lot of parents have come out to me about some of the songs that talk about— about some of the songs that talk about guilt and the invisible labour that women go through and there is a son. that women go through and there is a song that— that women go through and there is a song that is— that women go through and there is a song that is all about the expectations on women in society. it's expectations on women in society. it's quite _ expectations on women in society. it's quite a — expectations on women in society. it's quite a feminist record and i feminist — it's quite a feminist record and i feminist i — it's quite a feminist record and i feminist i don't mean only for women, — feminist i don't mean only for women, i_ feminist i don't mean only for women, i mean to open peoples minds up, women, i mean to open peoples minds up. and— women, i mean to open peoples minds up, and feminism affects all genders _

up, and feminism affects all genders. one song bad woman, is about— genders. one song bad woman, is about rejecting social pressure and i'm about rejecting social pressure and i'm raisinq — about rejecting social pressure and i'm raising two daughters myself and i'm raising two daughters myself and i feel i'm raising two daughters myself and i feel it's _ i'm raising two daughters myself and i feel it's quite important. my two—year—old asks me to sing it to her every— two—year—old asks me to sing it to her every night before she goes to sleep _ her every night before she goes to sleep and — her every night before she goes to sleep and she tells everybody she is a bad _ sleep and she tells everybody she is a bad woman and i'm very pro—her aspiring _ a bad woman and i'm very pro—her aspiring to— a bad woman and i'm very pro—her aspiring to be one, because i think society— aspiring to be one, because i think society has— aspiring to be one, because i think society has put too much on women. we are _ society has put too much on women. we are working, mothering, we always have to _ we are working, mothering, we always have to be _ we are working, mothering, we always have to be nice, irrespective of the amount— have to be nice, irrespective of the amount of— have to be nice, irrespective of the amount of stress, and if we are not people _ amount of stress, and if we are not people are — amount of stress, and if we are not people are like, oh, she's a bit caqey, — people are like, oh, she's a bit caqey, and _ people are like, oh, she's a bit cagey, and i don't feel necessarily that pressure is put upon men at the same _ that pressure is put upon men at the same level— that pressure is put upon men at the same level and in the same way. sol feel a _ same level and in the same way. sol feel a bit— same level and in the same way. sol feel a bit cheated, actually. i feel a bit cheated, actually. think a feel a bit cheated, actually. i think a lot of people feel a bit cheated, actually. i think a lot of people watching you now will be nodding. nodding as you say those things. it might be in little ways, in the workplace or whatever. it

little ways, in the workplace or whatever-— little ways, in the workplace or whatever. , . , , ., whatever. it is an invisible mental load that particularly _ whatever. it is an invisible mental load that particularly mothers i whatever. it is an invisible mental. load that particularly mothers have. so much _ load that particularly mothers have. so much pressure, we have to be young, _ so much pressure, we have to be young, we — so much pressure, we have to be young, we have to be nice, we have been _ young, we have to be nice, we have been mothering, we have to be working — been mothering, we have to be working. it's like, oh my god, this is a lot _ working. it's like, oh my god, this is a lot l— working. it's like, oh my god, this is a lot. . . . . working. it's like, oh my god, this isalot. ,, ., ., is a lot. i assume this is not what ou look is a lot. i assume this is not what you look like _ is a lot. i assume this is not what you look like every _ is a lot. i assume this is not what you look like every day. - is a lot. i assume this is not what you look like every day. i'm i is a lot. i assume this is not what i you look like every day. i'm usually covered in — you look like every day. i'm usually covered in my _ you look like every day. i'm usually covered in my children's _ you look like every day. i'm usually covered in my children's breakfast, j covered in my children's breakfast, and food _ covered in my children's breakfast, and food all— covered in my children's breakfast, and food all over— covered in my children's breakfast, and food all over my _ covered in my children's breakfast, and food all over my tracksuit. i covered in my children's breakfast, | and food all over my tracksuit. hora; and food all over my tracksuit. how old is your— and food all over my tracksuit. how old is your oldest? _ and food all over my tracksuit. how old is your oldest? she's _ and food all over my tracksuit. how old is your oldest? she's just i old is your oldest? she's 'ust turned three. i i old is your oldest? she's 'ust turned three. i forgot, i old is your oldest? she's just turned three. i forgot, like . old is your oldest? she's just i turned three. i forgot, like two days— turned three. i forgot, like two days ago _ turned three. i forgot, like two da saao. v turned three. i forgot, like two days ago-— days ago. it's fine. when your three-year-old _ days ago. it's fine. when your three-year-old asks - days ago. it's fine. when your three-year-old asks you i days ago. it's fine. when your three-year-old asks you to i days ago. it's fine. when your i three-year-old asks you to sing, days ago. it's fine. when your - three-year-old asks you to sing, do three—year—old asks you to sing, do you perform for her? i three-year-old asks you to sing, do you perform for her?— you perform for her? i sing it auietl you perform for her? i sing it quietly because _ you perform for her? i sing it quietly because it's _ you perform for her? i sing it quietly because it's a - you perform for her? i sing it| quietly because it's a bedtime you perform for her? i sing it - quietly because it's a bedtime song. because _ quietly because it's a bedtime song. because it's quite rousing, quite anthemic. i because it's quite rousing, quite anthemic. ., ., ., _ , ., anthemic. i do a lullaby version. and she is _ anthemic. i do a lullaby version. and she is just _ anthemic. i do a lullaby version. and she is just like _ anthemic. i do a lullaby version. and she isjust like dozing - anthemic. i do a lullaby version. and she isjust like dozing off. l anthemic. i do a lullaby version. | and she isjust like dozing off. so and she isjust like dozing off. wonderful. and she isjust like dozing off. sr wonderful. you should put out that version as well. it works.— version as well. it works. there could be many, _ version as well. it works. there could be many, many— version as well. it works. there

could be many, many versions. i version as well. it works. there - could be many, many versions. when ou could be many, many versions. when you thought — could be many, many versions. when you thought about _ could be many, many versions. when you thought about writing _ could be many, many versions. when you thought about writing it - could be many, many versions. when you thought about writing it before you thought about writing it before you started writing your experiences and about the emotions, did you think about, maybe you don't care, what your former partner might have thought or your children might have thought, and offering that personal part of their lives as well? i ieei part of their lives as well? i feel like if you _ part of their lives as well? i feel like if you listen _ part of their lives as well? i feel like if you listen to _ part of their lives as well? i feel like if you listen to the - part of their lives as well? i feel like if you listen to the album i part of their lives as well? i feel| like if you listen to the album it's very much— like if you listen to the album it's very much focused on my internal experience — very much focused on my internal experience and it's not a finger—pointing album. it's not a revenge — finger—pointing album. it's not a revenge album. it's about my intemai— revenge album. it's about my internal experience. and in a way i think_ internal experience. and in a way i think it's _ internal experience. and in a way i think it's quite positive because they've — think it's quite positive because they've listened to it and they have a bit more — they've listened to it and they have a bit more empathy because it's articulating that thing. i'm not an angry— articulating that thing. i'm not an angry person and i realise in a way that it _ angry person and i realise in a way that it takes — angry person and i realise in a way that it takes two people to start a relationship same as it takes two

people _ relationship same as it takes two pe0pte to — relationship same as it takes two people to end it and it's more about me accepting responsibility for my part as _ me accepting responsibility for my part as opposed to saying you did this or— part as opposed to saying you did this or that, it's not a public blame — this or that, it's not a public blame game. this or that, it's not a public blame game-— this or that, it's not a public blame game. this or that, it's not a public blame came. ., ~ ., ., ~ blame game. you know what i like, there is a song. _ blame game. you know what i like, there is a song, i _ blame game. you know what i like, there is a song, i can't _ there is a song, i can't remember there is a song, i can't remember the name of it, where you talk about almost in films, there is a big finale finish to a relationship, big argument, big bang ending, and the reality is relationships fizzle out, and you ignore each other or reject each other quietly. you and you ignore each other or re'ect each other quietlyi each other quietly. you become auietl each other quietly. you become quietly distant _ each other quietly. you become quietly distant or _ each other quietly. you become quietly distant or you'll - each other quietly. you become quietly distant or you'll lose - quietly distant or you'll lose communication.— quietly distant or you'll lose communication. . ., ., ., communication. and you're not afraid to sa that communication. and you're not afraid to say that and _ communication. and you're not afraid to say that and l _ communication. and you're not afraid to say that and i thought _ communication. and you're not afraid to say that and i thought that - communication. and you're not afraid to say that and i thought that was - to say that and i thought that was really exposing. to say that and i thought that was really exoosing-— to say that and i thought that was really exposing. yeah, my partner and i really exposing. yeah, my partner and l have — really exposing. yeah, my partner and l have a _ really exposing. yeah, my partner and i have a really _ really exposing. yeah, my partner and i have a really good _ and i have a really good relationship. obviously he is creative _ relationship. obviously he is creative so he is empathetic to it all, creative so he is empathetic to it all. but — creative so he is empathetic to it all. but he — creative so he is empathetic to it all, but he hasn't actually even listens — all, but he hasn't actually even listens to — all, but he hasn't actually even listens to the record. is all, but he hasn't actually even listens to the record.— all, but he hasn't actually even listens to the record. is he going to? he doesn't _ listens to the record. is he going to? he doesn't really _ listens to the record. is he going to? he doesn't really want - listens to the record. is he going to? he doesn't really want to. i listens to the record. is he going i to? he doesn't really want to. he's sa inc , to? he doesn't really want to. he's saying. play _ to? he doesn't really want to. he's saying. play me _ to? he doesn't really want to. he's saying, play me which _ to? he doesn't really want to. he's saying, play me which bits - to? he doesn't really want to. he's saying, play me which bits i - saying, play me which hits i want you to _ saying, play me which hits i want you to hear — saying, play me which hits i want you to hear and i did play him the

song _ you to hear and i did play him the song divorce because that's the only one that _ song divorce because that's the only one that is _ song divorce because that's the only one that is really about him and all the others — one that is really about him and all the others feel like they are about nry own _ the others feel like they are about my own experience and i was like, this one _ my own experience and i was like, this one you — my own experience and i was like, this one you should hear and it's the one — this one you should hear and it's the one with our children's voices on it, _ the one with our children's voices on it. which— the one with our children's voices on it, which gets me every time i hear— on it, which gets me every time i hear it _ on it, which gets me every time i hear it i— on it, which gets me every time i hear it. i feel so choked. gn on it, which gets me every time i hear it. i feel so choked.- on it, which gets me every time i hear it. i feel so choked. on a more frivolous note... _ hear it. i feel so choked. on a more frivolous note... trying _ hear it. i feel so choked. on a more frivolous note... trying to _ hear it. i feel so choked. on a more frivolous note... trying to change . frivolous note... trying to change the subject _ frivolous note... trying to change the subject in _ frivolous note... trying to change the subject in a _ frivolous note... trying to change the subject in a truly _ frivolous note... trying to change the subject in a truly british - frivolous note... trying to change the subject in a truly british way. | the subject in a truly british way. your— the subject in a truly british way. your driving technique, not holding the steering wheel, what is going on there? i’m the steering wheel, what is going on there? �* ,., , the steering wheel, what is going on there? �* , ., ., there? i'm three points away from losina m there? i'm three points away from losing my licence _ there? i'm three points away from losing my licence anyway. - there? i'm three points away from losing my licence anyway. the - there? i'm three points away from i losing my licence anyway. the whole leanin: losing my licence anyway. the whole leaning outside _ losing my licence anyway. the whole leaning outside of— losing my licence anyway. the whole leaning outside of the _ losing my licence anyway. the whole leaning outside of the car— losing my licence anyway. the whole leaning outside of the car thing. - losing my licence anyway. the whole leaning outside of the car thing. a i leaning outside of the car thing. a bad example. a bad example to set. you are on a trolley, obviously. luckily it wasn't in the uk so i couldn't— luckily it wasn't in the uk so i couldn't be prosecuted. that's what the told couldn't be prosecuted. that's what they told you- _ couldn't be prosecuted. that's what they told you. and _ couldn't be prosecuted. that's what they told you. and you _ couldn't be prosecuted. that's what they told you. and you believed - they told you. and you believed them. . �* , , they told you. and you believed them. ., �* , , . them. that's my driving technique. it's nice to — them. that's my driving technique. it's nice to sing _ them. that's my driving technique. it's nice to sing along _ them. that's my driving technique. it's nice to sing along when - them. that's my driving technique. it's nice to sing along when you - them. that's my driving technique. i it's nice to sing along when you are in the car though. isn't it? irlat

in the car though. isn't it? not lookin: in the car though. isn't it? not looking at _ in the car though. isn't it? not looking at the _ in the car though. isn't it? not looking at the road there. and | in the car though. isn't it? not - looking at the road there. and then the next thing _ looking at the road there. and then the next thing you _ looking at the road there. and then the next thing you know, _ looking at the road there. and then the next thing you know, you - looking at the road there. and then the next thing you know, you are l the next thing you know, you are hanging out the window. here the next thing you know, you are hanging out the window. here we go, look. you know _ hanging out the window. here we go, look. you know there _ hanging out the window. here we go, look. you know there are _ hanging out the window. here we go, look. you know there are children - look. you know there are children watching, paloma. but look. you know there are children watching, paloma.— watching, paloma. but the record straiaht, watching, paloma. but the record straight. don't — watching, paloma. but the record straight, don't do _ watching, paloma. but the record straight, don't do that. _ watching, paloma. but the record straight, don't do that. yes, - watching, paloma. but the record straight, don't do that. yes, i - watching, paloma. but the record l straight, don't do that. yes, i mean there was a — straight, don't do that. yes, i mean there was a truck _ straight, don't do that. yes, i mean there was a truck pulling _ straight, don't do that. yes, i mean there was a truck pulling me - straight, don't do that. yes, i mean there was a truck pulling me but i straight, don't do that. yes, i mean there was a truck pulling me but it i there was a truck pulling me but it didnt— there was a truck pulling me but it didn't feel— there was a truck pulling me but it didn't feel that safe, if i'm honest _ didn't feel that safe, if i'm honest. it didn't feel that safe, if i'm honest. , . . didn't feel that safe, if i'm honest. , ., ., , ., honest. it is a delight having you with us. honest. it is a delight having you with us- you _ honest. it is a delight having you with us. you were _ honest. it is a delight having you with us. you were with _ honest. it is a delight having you with us. you were with us - honest. it is a delight having you with us. you were with us at - honest. it is a delight having you| with us. you were with us at least ten years ago, and it's great, you are still as bubbly and fabulous and your music is brilliant. and are still as bubbly and fabulous and your music is brilliant.— your music is brilliant. and thanks to everyone _ your music is brilliant. and thanks to everyone who _ your music is brilliant. and thanks to everyone who has _ your music is brilliant. and thanks to everyone who has downloaded | to everyone who has downloaded and bought _ to everyone who has downloaded and bought the album and listened to it this week — bought the album and listened to it this week. which is called? paloma. stay with us, headlines coming up.

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