in ukraine, it was an invasion by russia plain and simple, with no justification. we are seeing what's kind of being dubbed here as "ukraine fatigue". in fact, the us ambassador, linda thomas—greenfield, really kind of warned nations against this. putin has miscalculated to because he thought. ukraine would be weak, _ the ukrainians would be weak, but also the west will be weak, that we'll be divided. - on our panel tonight — rose gottemoeller, former nato deputy secretary general, and christopher steele, former head of the russia desk at mi6. first, the latest headlines. the us and eu have announced hundreds of new sanctions on russia to mark the second anniversary of its invasion of ukraine and the death of the

dissident alexei navalny. moscow has called the sanctions illegal. talks are under way in paris to try to secure a deal to halt fighting in gaza and release the remaining hostages. both israel and hamas have expressed muted hope this latest push towards a ceasefire may make genuine progress. police in spain say they are no longer searching for any people still missing after thursday's devastating fire at a block of flats in valencia. ten people are confirmed to have died. shamima begum, who had her british citizenship revoked after travelling to syria to join the islamic state group, has lost the latest stage of her legal battle with the government. the court of appeal has ruled that the government acted lawfully in removing her citizenship. good evening. on this night two years ago, president putin put the world on notice. within several hours of this address from the kremlin, the first rockets were already

falling in ukraine, and so began russia's biggest assault on europe since world war ii. the armoured columns crossed from the north—east towards luhansk oblast as the rockets fell in the west, close to lviv. not since the battle of berlin in 1945 had russia combined its forces with such menace, but the resistance was equally strong. immediately, president zelensky declared martial law, and over the coming months, the brave ukrainians would not only blunt the russian advance, but by the summer of 2023 were taking ground back. on the eve of this second anniversary, it is hard to quantify how many have died, but by some distance it is the russians that have suffered the biggest losses. at recent estimates, there were 315,000 dead and injured russian soldiers. that's nearly 90% of the pre—war invasion force for an additional ii% gain in territory. tonight, the security council is gathered in new york

to discuss the war. the uk's lord cameron spoke a short time ago. you can see on you can see on your screen you can see on your screen there the ambassador from you can see on your screen there the ambassadorfrom russia making his statement to the council. the uk's lord cameron spoke a short time ago. putin believes he can take territories, redraw borders, exercise force to build his empire, and we must not let this stand. we know ukraine's answer. we saw the courage of president zelensky two years ago, and i say to the permanent representative of the russian federation — he is quite capable and the ukrainian people are quite capable of making up their own mind about whether they should surrender part of their country to your illegal invasion. international humanitarian law which clearly prohibits attacks on civilians and civilian infrastructure must be adhered to at all times and by all parties. as a nation that knows all too well what it means to suffer from military aggression, korea firmly believes that

aggression must not go unanswered. as a nation all too familiar with the agonising consequences of armed conflict, korea has a profound sense of empathy with the plight of the ukrainian people. the only nazis are in the kremlin, said david cameron, a regime perpetrating a 19th century ideology where my is right. live now to our north america correspondent, nada tawfik. no punches pulled. absolutely not, christian. and _ no punches pulled. absolutely not, christian. and in _ no punches pulled. absolutely not, christian. and in that _ no punches pulled. absolutely not, christian. and in that clip _ no punches pulled. absolutely not, christian. and in that clip you - christian. and in that clip you mentioned _ christian. and in that clip you mentioned where _ christian. and in that clip you mentioned where lord - christian. and in that clip you mentioned where lord davidi christian. and in that clip you - mentioned where lord david came in to david _ mentioned where lord david came in to david cameron, _ mentioned where lord david came in to david cameron, the _ mentioned where lord david came in to david cameron, the foreign- to david cameron, the foreign secretary. _ to david cameron, the foreign secretary, talked _ to david cameron, the foreign secretary, talked about - to david cameron, the foreigni secretary, talked about russia wanted — secretary, talked about russia wanted to _ secretary, talked about russia wanted to bring _ secretary, talked about russia wanted to bring the _ secretary, talked about russia wanted to bring the world - secretary, talked about russiai wanted to bring the world back secretary, talked about russia i wanted to bring the world back to the 19th _ wanted to bring the world back to the 19th century. _ wanted to bring the world back to the 19th century. he _ wanted to bring the world back to the 19th century. he was - wanted to bring the world back to the 19th century. he was wanting| the 19th century. he was wanting to make _ the 19th century. he was wanting to make the _ the 19th century. he was wanting to make the point— the 19th century. he was wanting to make the point that _ the 19th century. he was wanting to make the point that a _ the 19th century. he was wanting to make the point that a war— the 19th century. he was wanting to make the point that a war is - the 19th century. he was wanting to make the point that a war is not - make the point that a war is not 'ust make the point that a war is not just about — make the point that a war is not just about ukraine _ make the point that a war is not just about ukraine but - make the point that a war is not just about ukraine but about. make the point that a war is not. just about ukraine but about every ntenther's— just about ukraine but about every member's territorial— just about ukraine but about every member's territorial integrity, - member's territorial integrity, saying — member's territorial integrity, saying that _ member's territorial integrity, saying that if _ member's territorial integrity, saying that if putin _ member's territorial integrity, saying that if putin gets - member's territorial integrity, saying that if putin gets his i member's territorial integrity, i saying that if putin gets his wife that any— saying that if putin gets his wife that any country— saying that if putin gets his wife that any country with _ saying that if putin gets his wife that any country with a - saying that if putin gets his wife that any country with a large - that any country with a large neighbour— that any country with a large neighbour could _ that any country with a large neighbour could fall- that any country with a large neighbour could fall the - that any country with a large i neighbour could fall the same that any country with a large - neighbour could fall the same fate. this is_

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called here at the un as ukraine fatigue, underscoring that there | fatigue, underscoring that there are also other— fatigue, underscoring that there are also other multiple _ fatigue, underscoring that there are also other multiple global— fatigue, underscoring that there are also other multiple global crises - also other multiple global crises that have — also other multiple global crises that have really _ also other multiple global crises that have really started - also other multiple global crises that have really started to - also other multiple global crisesj that have really started to divert attention — that have really started to divert attention away _ that have really started to divert attention away from _ that have really started to divert attention away from the - that have really started to divert attention away from the war - that have really started to divert attention away from the war in l attention away from the war in ukraine — attention away from the war in ukraine we _ attention away from the war in ukraine. we also _ attention away from the war in ukraine. we also obviously - attention away from the war in . ukraine. we also obviously heard from _ ukraine. we also obviously heard from russia's_ ukraine. we also obviously heard from russia's ambassador - ukraine. we also obviously heard from russia's ambassador againl ukraine. we also obviously heard i from russia's ambassador again just reiterating _ from russia's ambassador again just reiterating russia _ from russia's ambassador again just reiterating russia positive _ from russia's ambassador again just reiterating russia positive position. reiterating russia positive position

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creation of the organisation. i do want to underscore that at certain times when the great powers have been getting along together, we have actually been able to make a good deal of progress in certain areas, but for the past almost ten years at this point since russia's first invasion of ukraine in 2014 and also the syrian civil war, the un security council has increasingly been tied in knots by vetoes and a lot of them coming from the russian federation. so this is a situation we are in full so i would not want to throw over the institution. we need to figure out a way to make it work and that goes with the other institutions that were formed in the wake of the second world war, but at the moment we are in a tough place. when you look at where we are two years on from the invasion, on the one hand we have more nato and yet there was so much anxiety in munich at the security conference last week, concerns about america's

position on ukraine, whether nato can rely on the united states, and i get the feeling that president putin is waiting that out. it's a wait—and—see strategy. is waiting that out. it's a wait-and-see strategy. yes, there are two aspects — wait-and-see strategy. yes, there are two aspects to _ wait-and-see strategy. yes, there are two aspects to this _ wait-and-see strategy. yes, there are two aspects to this and - wait-and-see strategy. yes, there are two aspects to this and is - wait-and-see strategy. yes, there are two aspects to this and is a - are two aspects to this and is a psychology— are two aspects to this and is a psychology of _ are two aspects to this and is a psychology of it, _ are two aspects to this and is a psychology of it, if— are two aspects to this and is a psychology of it, if you - are two aspects to this and is a psychology of it, if you like, of| psychology of it, if you like, of the russian _ psychology of it, if you like, of the russian leadership - psychology of it, if you like, of the russian leadership and - psychology of it, if you like, of the russian leadership and ofl the russian leadership and of western— the russian leadership and of western countries. it - the russian leadership and ofi western countries. it certainly the russian leadership and of- western countries. it certainly you are right in — western countries. it certainly you are right in saying that _ western countries. it certainly you are right in saying that obviously l are right in saying that obviously not with — are right in saying that obviously not with the lord _ are right in saying that obviously not with the lord came - are right in saying that obviously not with the lord came in - not with the lord came in tonight, but others — not with the lord came in tonight, but others that _ not with the lord came in tonight, but others that there _ not with the lord came in tonight, but others that there is _ but others that there is an element of defeatism that _ but others that there is an element of defeatism that is _ but others that there is an element of defeatism that is crafty- but others that there is an element of defeatism that is crafty and - of defeatism that is crafty and possibly _ of defeatism that is crafty and possibly. but _ of defeatism that is crafty and possibly. but also _ of defeatism that is crafty and possibly. but also there's - of defeatism that is crafty and possibly. but also there's the| possibly. but also there's the reality — possibly. but also there's the reality of _ possibly. but also there's the reality of this _ possibly. but also there's the reality of this war— possibly. but also there's the reality of this war and - possibly. but also there's the reality of this war and the - possibly. but also there's thel reality of this war and the fact is that nato— reality of this war and the fact is that nato has— reality of this war and the fact is that nato has never— reality of this war and the fact is that nato has never been- reality of this war and the fact is i that nato has never been stronger. we have _ that nato has never been stronger. we have just — that nato has never been stronger. we have just got _ that nato has never been stronger. we have just got finland _ that nato has never been stronger. we have just got finland and - we have just got finland and sweden tojoin in— we have just got finland and sweden tojoin in finland _ we have just got finland and sweden tojoin in finland is a _ we have just got finland and sweden tojoin in finland is a first—class- tojoin in finland is a first—class military— tojoin in finland is a first—class military as _ tojoin in finland is a first—class miiitary as you _ tojoin in finland is a first—class military as you know _ tojoin in finland is a first—class military as you know with - tojoin in finland is a first—class military as you know with a - tojoin in finland is a first—class. military as you know with a citizen army _ military as you know with a citizen army of up— military as you know with a citizen army of up to _ military as you know with a citizen army of up to 900,000 _ military as you know with a citizen army of up to 900,000 troops. . military as you know with a citizen . army of up to 900,000 troops. and military as you know with a citizen - army of up to 900,000 troops. and so we also _ army of up to 900,000 troops. and so we also have _ army of up to 900,000 troops. and so we also have seen— army of up to 900,000 troops. and so we also have seen probably— army of up to 900,000 troops. and so we also have seen probably half- we also have seen probably half the russian _ we also have seen probably half the russian army— we also have seen probably half the russian army destroyed _ we also have seen probably half the russian army destroyed on - we also have seen probably half the russian army destroyed on the - russian army destroyed on the battlefield. _ russian army destroyed on the battlefield, happenstance, - russian army destroyed on the battlefield, happenstance, a l russian army destroyed on the i battlefield, happenstance, a third of its _ battlefield, happenstance, a third of its armoured _ battlefield, happenstance, a third of its armoured vehicles and - battlefield, happenstance, a third. of its armoured vehicles and so on. and i_ of its armoured vehicles and so on. and ijust _ of its armoured vehicles and so on. and ijust think— of its armoured vehicles and so on. and ijust think that _ of its armoured vehicles and so on. and i just think that we've - of its armoured vehicles and so on. and ijust think that we've got to l and ijust think that we've got to be realistic— and ijust think that we've got to be realistic about _ and ijust think that we've got to be realistic about this, _ and ijust think that we've got to be realistic about this, that - be realistic about this, that actually— be realistic about this, that actually win _ be realistic about this, that actually win this _ be realistic about this, that i actually win this war started, be realistic about this, that. actually win this war started, i would —

actually win this war started, i would not _ actually win this war started, i would not have _ actually win this war started, i would not have given - actually win this war started, i would not have given ukrainel actually win this war started, i - would not have given ukraine against a full-scale _ would not have given ukraine against a full—scale russian _ would not have given ukraine against a full—scale russian invasion - would not have given ukraine against a full—scale russian invasion more i a full—scale russian invasion more than _ a full—scale russian invasion more than a _ a full—scale russian invasion more than a few— a full—scale russian invasion more than a few weeks— a full—scale russian invasion more than a few weeks to _ a full—scale russian invasion more than a few weeks to resist, and i a full—scale russian invasion more . than a few weeks to resist, and here we are _ than a few weeks to resist, and here we are two years _ than a few weeks to resist, and here we are two years later. _ than a few weeks to resist, and here we are two years later. yes, - than a few weeks to resist, and here we are two years later. yes, we - than a few weeks to resist, and here| we are two years later. yes, we have had a few _ we are two years later. yes, we have had a few setbacks _ we are two years later. yes, we have had a few setbacks and _ we are two years later. yes, we have had a few setbacks and certainly- had a few setbacks and certainly need _ had a few setbacks and certainly need to— had a few setbacks and certainly need to talk— need to talk about what's happening in the us— need to talk about what's happening in the us congress, _ need to talk about what's happening in the us congress, but— need to talk about what's happening in the us congress, but i— need to talk about what's happening in the us congress, but i think- in the us congress, but i think overall— in the us congress, but i think overall ukrainians _ in the us congress, but i think overall ukrainians have - in the us congress, but i think overall ukrainians have done l in the us congress, but i think. overall ukrainians have done very well and — overall ukrainians have done very well and nato _ overall ukrainians have done very well and nato has _ overall ukrainians have done very well and nato has performed - overall ukrainians have done veryj well and nato has performed well overall ukrainians have done very i well and nato has performed well up to now _ well and nato has performed well up to now. l, �* l, well and nato has performed well up to now. ., �* ., ,, ., well and nato has performed well up to now. ., �* ., ., , ., , to now. you've got your own history with donald — to now. you've got your own history with donald trump. _ to now. you've got your own history with donald trump. that _ to now. you've got your own history with donald trump. that much - to now. you've got your own history with donald trump. that much is i with donald trump. that much is clear. but what he said a few weeks ago which was widely condemned about russia doing what it wants if nato countries don't pay, ijust wonder actually if that has crystallised what is at stake here for the europeans and in fact actually since that statement, ironically, there is much more talk of what needs to be donein much more talk of what needs to be done in a defence situation. i much more talk of what needs to be done in a defence situation.- done in a defence situation. i think we are living _ done in a defence situation. i think we are living in _ done in a defence situation. i think we are living in a _ done in a defence situation. i think we are living in a new— done in a defence situation. i think we are living in a new era - done in a defence situation. i think we are living in a new era and i - we are living in a new era and i think_ we are living in a new era and i think that's _ we are living in a new era and i think that's important to underline full so _ think that's important to underline full so the — think that's important to underline full so the fact is a military industrial base and the capability industrial base and the capability in europe — industrial base and the capability in europe is not what it needs to be. in europe is not what it needs to he i_ in europe is not what it needs to he i don'i— in europe is not what it needs to be. i don't think up until a few be. idon't think up until a few years— be. idon't think up until a few years ago— be. i don't think up until a few years ago anyone certainly could not

have conceived a situation where we had a _ have conceived a situation where we had a major— have conceived a situation where we had a major land war going on in eumpe, — had a major land war going on in europe, but_ had a major land war going on in europe, but we do and we have to adjust to— europe, but we do and we have to adjust to that. and one of the ways we adjusted that is by accepting that civilian economy is so one has to he _ that civilian economy is so one has to be re—orientated and that certain sacrifices _ to be re—orientated and that certain sacrifices economically and financially have to be made because believe _ financially have to be made because believe you me if we don't stop putin_ believe you me if we don't stop putin in— believe you me if we don't stop putin in ukraine, not only putin but other— putin in ukraine, not only putin but other despots around the world will ignite _ other despots around the world will ignite numerous crises in the world will fall_ ignite numerous crises in the world will fall into a very deep pit. before — will fall into a very deep pit. before i_ will fall into a very deep pit. before i let you go, joe biden always talks about the rules —based order. constantly invokes that when he sets out positions on world affairs. is that undermined by what is going on in gaza and his failure to stop at? i is going on in gaza and his failure to step at?— to stop at? i think it absolutely is, christian. _ to stop at? i think it absolutely is, christian. russia _ to stop at? i think it absolutely is, christian. russia has- to stop at? i think it absolutely l is, christian. russia has certainly taken— is, christian. russia has certainly taken the — is, christian. russia has certainly taken the opportunity _ is, christian. russia has certainly taken the opportunity to - is, christian. russia has certainly taken the opportunity to call- is, christian. russia has certainly taken the opportunity to call outi taken the opportunity to call out what _ taken the opportunity to call out what it _ taken the opportunity to call out what it says _ taken the opportunity to call out what it says is _ taken the opportunity to call out

what it says is the _ taken the opportunity to call out what it says is the west's - what it says is the west's double standards — what it says is the west's double standards and _ what it says is the west's double standards and advocacy- what it says is the west's double standards and advocacy and - what it says is the west's double standards and advocacy and the i standards and advocacy and the council — standards and advocacy and the council and _ standards and advocacy and the council and general— standards and advocacy and the council and general assembly. council and general assembly whenever _ council and general assembly whenever there _ council and general assembly whenever there is _ council and general assembly whenever there is a _ council and general assembly whenever there is a debate, l council and general assembly. whenever there is a debate, but council and general assembly- whenever there is a debate, but the reality— whenever there is a debate, but the reality is— whenever there is a debate, but the reality is it — whenever there is a debate, but the reality is it goes _ whenever there is a debate, but the reality is it goes far— whenever there is a debate, but the reality is it goes far past _ whenever there is a debate, but the reality is it goes far past the - reality is it goes far past the west's— reality is it goes far past the west's strongest— reality is it goes far past the west's strongest critics. - reality is it goes far past the. west's strongest critics. even allies— west's strongest critics. even allies of— west's strongest critics. even allies of the _ west's strongest critics. even allies of the west _ west's strongest critics. even allies of the west have - west's strongest critics. even i allies of the west have criticised it. allies of the west have criticised it it _ allies of the west have criticised it it was — allies of the west have criticised it. it was interesting _ allies of the west have criticised it. it was interesting because . allies of the west have criticised i it. it was interesting because there was the _ it. it was interesting because there was the former— it. it was interesting because there was the former french _ it. it was interesting because there was the former french ambassador it. it was interesting because there i was the former french ambassador to the un _ was the former french ambassador to the un said _ was the former french ambassador to the un said that— was the former french ambassador to the un said that the _ was the former french ambassador to the un said that the rest— was the former french ambassador to the un said that the rest of— the un said that the rest of the world _ the un said that the rest of the world needs _ the un said that the rest of the world needs to _ the un said that the rest of the world needs to start _ the un said that the rest of the - 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ireland, jeffrey sachs and others. that's what we are seeing play i ireland, jeffrey sachs and others. l that's what we are seeing play out here at _ that's what we are seeing play out here at the — that's what we are seeing play out here at the un _ that's what we are seeing play out here at the un. very— that's what we are seeing play out here at the un. very clearly - that's what we are seeing play out here at the un. very clearly when| that's what we are seeing play out. here at the un. very clearly when it comes— here at the un. very clearly when it conres to _ here at the un. very clearly when it conres to the — here at the un. very clearly when it comes to the debate _ here at the un. very clearly when it comes to the debate about - here at the un. very clearly when it| comes to the debate about ukraine, questions about _ comes to the debate about ukraine, questions about what _ comes to the debate about ukraine, questions about what about - comes to the debate about ukraine, questions about what about the - comes to the debate about ukraine, questions about what about the war| questions about what about the war in gaza? _ questions about what about the war in gaza? i_ questions about what about the war in gaza? i asked _ questions about what about the war in gaza? i asked david _ questions about what about the war in gaza? i asked david cameron- questions about what about the war. in gaza? i asked david cameron about that a _ in gaza? i asked david cameron about that a city— in gaza? i asked david cameron about that a city sees— in gaza? i asked david cameron about that a city sees a _ in gaza? i asked david cameron about that a city sees a very _ in gaza? i asked david cameron about that a city sees a very clear— that a city sees a very clear distinction _ that a city sees a very clear distinction in _ that a city sees a very clear distinction in terms - that a city sees a very clear distinction in terms of - that a city sees a very clear distinction in terms of a - that a city sees a very clear- distinction in terms of a country invading another country- distinction in terms of a country invading another country versus distinction in terms of a country - 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october the — country responding to an attack on october the 7th. _ country responding to an attack on october the 7th. so _ country responding to an attack on october the 7th. so certainly- country responding to an attack on october the 7th. so certainly the l october the 7th. so certainly the west— october the 7th. so certainly the west continues _ october the 7th. so certainly the west continues to _ october the 7th. so certainly the west continues to say— october the 7th. so certainly the west continues to say that - october the 7th. so certainly the west continues to say that theyl october the 7th. so certainly the i west continues to say that they are concerned — west continues to say that they are concerned about— west continues to say that they are concerned about what's _ west continues to say that they are concerned about what's happeningl west continues to say that they are i concerned about what's happening in gaza in— concerned about what's happening in gaza in that — concerned about what's happening in gaza in that we — concerned about what's happening in gaza in that we should _ concerned about what's happening in gaza in that we should not _ concerned about what's happening in gaza in that we should not compare i gaza in that we should not compare the situations. _ gaza in that we should not compare the situations, but— gaza in that we should not compare the situations, but i— gaza in that we should not compare the situations, but i think— gaza in that we should not compare the situations, but i think for- gaza in that we should not compare the situations, but i think for many| the situations, but i think for many in the _ the situations, but i think for many in the global— the situations, but i think for many in the global south, _ the situations, but i think for many in the global south, they _ the situations, but i think for many in the global south, theyjust - the situations, but i think for many in the global south, theyjust don't see it _ in the global south, theyjust don't see it the _ in the global south, theyjust don't see it the same _ in the global south, theyjust don't see it the same way. _ in the global south, theyjust don't see it the same way. for— in the global south, theyjust don't see it the same way. for them - in the global south, theyjust don't see it the same way. for them if. in the global south, theyjust don't see it the same way. for them if it| see it the same way. for them if it took— see it the same way. for them if it took about— see it the same way. for them if it took about the _ see it the same way. for them if it took about the international - see it the same way. for them if it took about the international rulesl took about the international rules -based _ took about the international rules -based order, _ took about the international rules —based order, they— took about the international rules —based order, they don't - took about the international rules —based order, they don't believel —based order, they don't believe there _ —based order, they don't believe there should _ —based order, they don't believe there should be _ —based order, they don't believe there should be an— —based order, they don't believe there should be an exception- —based order, they don't believe there should be an exception forj there should be an exception for israet _ there should be an exception for israel. . ~' , ., , there should be an exception for israel. . ,, , ., , . israel. thank you very much indeed for that. well, during my time in warsaw yesterday, i got a chance before i left to meet with the mayor of the city, rafal trzaskowski. he is likely to be a strong presidential candidate in may next year when president andrzej duda's term is up. and mr trzaskowski is someone with a very keen eye on world affairs. he was educated in michigan and has a sharp understanding of american politics. but his business this past two years has been accomodating the ukrainian refugees, and that is where we started our interview. in three weeks, a million and a half ukrainians passed through warsaw, and we were housing 300,000 ukrainians. the important thing is that when europe was overwhelmed in 2015 — remember the chaotic pictures and panic and so on —

there were 200,000 people coming to europe, the whole continent, in a month, and we were in a panic. we had 300,000 coming tojust one city in three weeks. and now? now we have around 100,000 ukrainians who stay in warsaw, and we are just counting those who registered after the war because, you know, our ukrainian diaspora is much bigger. so how will the local population, the polish population, react to the two—year anniversary this weekend? is there still the same patience, the same welcome from poles for ukrainians? well, you know, at the beginning, there was this reflex of incredible solidarity, because the incredible thing was that most of the ukrainians found home with ordinary people, you know, who opened their homes to our ukrainian friends. now, of course, after two years, you know, the situation is different, because first of all, there is a bit of fatigue, not as much as in the west. but also there are problems on the border with grain coming in from ukraine without any checks

and being accepted by the european union, because there is a certain tension, and i would even say hypocrisy, when it comes to the european decision—makers. because at the time when we were having a green deal in agriculture, when we were trying to tell our farmers that they have to use very stringent measures and that all of our laws, agricultural laws, will become more stringent because we need to fight global warming, at the same time, you know, our border with ukraine is completely open to their products, which is not checked. sometimes it's even contaminated, so that produces a backlash among the farmers. and, of course, that also has an impact on the population at large. do you worry with the state of the war as it is, the renewed bombing of ukrainian cities, that soon you might see another wave of refugees coming your way? and are you prepared for that? well, i mean, that was always my argument that, first of all, we have to be prepared for another wave, and that's why i was telling my american

and european friends that we need to wake up and come up with some solutions that are long—term. and secondly, that you never know what's going to happen in ukraine, because we should look at it globally. i mean, every crazy dictator in the world is looking at how well are we going to manage the crisis. because putin has miscalculated, because he thought that ukraine will be weak, the ukrainians will be weak, but also that the west will be divided. and we withstood that test, but what's going to happen now is crucial. and now, of course, you know, the russians are getting support from north korea, from iran, and god knows where from. we need to have a global response to that. we've just come from president duda, who sees the threat. would you say your country is on a war footing? well, you know, we've decided to be prepared, and that's the most important thing. and whatever we say, of course with the american

elections looming on the horizon, we need to be prepared. we need to take responsibility. we've decided, as you know, the nato target, you know, is 2% of the gdp spent on defence. we've over—passed that. we are at 3% and aiming at 1t%, whereas many of our friends and allies in europe are not doing it. so the most important thing is that we need to spend more money on defence because deterrence is absolutely key. we need to also have our own capabilities as the european union, so we need to invest in that. is that more acute because of what donald trump said just a few weeks ago? of course. president duda wouldn't really be drawn on that, and of course, they're very they're very close allies. but i was making the point to him that fundamentally it undermines this central tenet of the nato treaty of collective security. absolutely, and of course, you know, my intention is not to criticise president trump all the time, although i think that he as a responsible politician should take

into account how his words will be used by propaganda. because, you know, putin is not just an enemy of poland or the european union, but he's an enemy of the whole western world. there are three lessons from the pandemic and from the war. first of all, we as europeans, we need to become independent, 0k? when it comes to raw materials, when it comes to chips and infrastructure and so on and so forth. and of course, when it comes to defence. second thing is that we should invest in capabilities, and that's absolutely clear. and that our budget in the european union cannot stay as it is now. because, i mean, what we are doing now is within the budget that we have. we are trying to shift funds, you know, a bit from agriculture, a bit from the structural funds helping underdeveloped regions, you know, to put it slowly into defence and so on and so forth. we should enlarge the budget if we are to seriously think about being more resilient. and of course one answer, and president duda talks about it, is to think about the frozen russian funds. and of course this is a good idea.

you ran last time for the presidency. i don't know whether you will do the next time. i know you've not decided, but clearly there is a challenge on. donald tusk said in october that he would restore democracy in poland within 2a hours. it's not quite worked out that way, has it? well, he said that he's going to restore european funds and, of course, also the freedom of the media, but of course it is difficult. first of all, because we won the parliamentary elections, but we haven't won yet the regional elections, which are absolutely crucial because it's the regions who are implementing policies and so on and have a great degree of independence. and there is the presidential elections to be had, and our president wields the right of veto. so of course it's not easy, but i would submit to you that this is a great lesson for us all, because for the first time we are able to actually fight with the populists in a way which is successful. and we have that problem all around the world.

interesting on that issue that people vote for the policies of populist governments but it's very difficult to unpick when they been there for some years because he are bent to their will. and certainly donald tusk is having a problem fulfilling that promise to bring back democracy, full democracy is he sees it, within 2a hours slip but the point i wanted to pick up with you with the idea of expanding the european budget. when you consider that after the pandemic the european countries managed to cobble together 800 billion euros for post—pandemic help around the european union, could they and should they not do something similar on defence? itrefoil. something similar on defence? well, first of all i wanted _ something similar on defence? well, first of all i wanted to _ something similar on defence? well, first of all i wanted to stress - first of all i wanted to stress that, — first of all i wanted to stress that, and _ first of all i wanted to stress that, and i always agreed withjens stoltenberg when i was as deputy and nato, _ stoltenberg when i was as deputy and nato, that— stoltenberg when i was as deputy and nato, that when the note does supports — nato, that when the note does supports the european union and vice

versa~ _ supports the european union and vice versa~ not _ supports the european union and vice versa. not like there are separate budgets _ versa. not like there are separate budgets but they are separate budgets but they are separate budgets but they are separate budgets but separate defence spending in the two institutions and they really— spending in the two institutions and they really must be designed and planned — they really must be designed and planned so that they support each other~ _ planned so that they support each other~ and — planned so that they support each other. and that they really are, i would _ other. and that they really are, i would say — other. and that they really are, i would say that one supports the objectives of the other is probably the easiest way to say it. it certainly— the easiest way to say it. it certainly that they don't contradict each other. let's think about them is all— each other. let's think about them is all part— each other. let's think about them is all part of— each other. let's think about them is all part of a piece. it is important that the european allies in nato _ important that the european allies in nato as— important that the european allies in nato as well as in the european union _ in nato as well as in the european union and — in nato as well as in the european union and european union members were not— union and european union members were not embers of nato be spending more on _ were not embers of nato be spending more on defence acquisition but also on defence _ more on defence acquisition but also on defence industries and modernising and building up defence industries _ modernising and building up defence industries again. so those are goals and objectives both institutions share _ and objectives both institutions share and what i would not like to see is— share and what i would not like to see is basically one institution, the european union, strutting off a direction _ the european union, strutting off a direction and leaving behind the 75 years— direction and leaving behind the 75 years of— direction and leaving behind the 75 years of experience that we have in the nato _

years of experience that we have in the nato alliance in terms of planning _ the nato alliance in terms of planning operations, command—and—control, supporting what we need _ command—and—control, supporting what we need to— command—and—control, supporting what we need to do on the military frontm — we need to do on the military front... ,.,,, ., we need to do on the military front... , ., , ., we need to do on the military front... ., , ., ., , front... the boss of the german army com an front... the boss of the german army company said — front... the boss of the german army company said the _ front... the boss of the german army company said the other _ front... the boss of the german army company said the other day _ front... the boss of the german army company said the other day there - front... the boss of the german army company said the other day there is l company said the other day there is no trust because the contracts have not been there. that issue is central procurement and that could drive confidence in the defence sector in this way so crucial in that the point the mayor is making. definitely a corporate policy issue, and no _ definitely a corporate policy issue, and no question about it. in those decisions — and no question about it. in those decisions are made on a national basis _ decisions are made on a national basis. germany have to work to the weekend _ basis. germany have to work to the weekend of— basis. germany have to work to the weekend of its acquisitions process which _ weekend of its acquisitions process which is _ weekend of its acquisitions process which is highly bureaucracy ties as i understand so i know the germans are working — i understand so i know the germans are working hard on that, seeing interviews — are working hard on that, seeing interviews this week about the necessity of setting a priority in that area — necessity of setting a priority in that area coming out of berlin. so i think— that area coming out of berlin. so i think the realisation is they are, but the — think the realisation is they are, but the reality once again when you have highly established regulatory bodies _ have highly established regulatory bodies and the way they have always worked _ bodies and the way they have always worked things in the past is a little — worked things in the past is a little bit _ worked things in the past is a little bit difficult to work the way through suitable location and

speeding those processes up. reallyt speeding those processes up. really interestinu. around the world and across the uk, this is bbc news. let's look at some other stories making news in the uk. britain today signed an agreement with the european union's borderagency, frontex, to co—operate more closely on tackling irregular migration. it'll boost the exchange of information, including on human smuggling patterns and document fraud. but it will not see joint patrols and does not provide for the return of migrants from britain. a government—commissioned review into tackling political violence is to recommend the police should be able to shutdown protests outside mps' offices, council buildings and the houses of parliament. the issue of mps' safety was used by the commons speaker, sir lindsay hoyle, to justify his controversial handling of a debate on the israel—hamas war. interesting debate coming up on that later in the programme. a court date has been set for a hearing to determine whether child serial killer lucy letby can appeal against her convictions

for the murder and attempted murder of babies. the nurse's case will be considered by a panel ofjudges at a public hearing in april. you're live with bbc news. the russian authorities have threatened to bury alexei navalny at the arctic prison colony where he died if his family does not agree to a closed funeral. in a message posted on x, a family spokeswoman said, that deadline has passed. in response to the news of navalny�*s death, the white house today announced more than 500 new sanctions against russia targeted at those, at every level, who were involved in his detention. you want to talk about this, chris, not least because there is a threat

to her, navalny�*s mother, and the independent burial she wants for her son separate to what the state wants but all the other i was in figure two are held by putin in prison. bond two are held by putin in prison. and the are two are held by putin in prison. and they are not — two are held by putin in prison. fific they are notjust two are held by putin in prison. fific they are not just opposition figures they are notjust opposition figures was that there is one joint british citizen who went back to russia recently and was immediately imprisoned and it's been taken to solitary confinement in some arctic penal colony. but in addition to that, of course you have as you will know a number of western journalists and otherjournalists like evan gursky vitch who have also been imprisoned unfairly and unjustly and effectively being held hostage. and even then it's notjustjournalists. there are russian businessmen who have also been arrested and imprisoned. one that comes to mind is a man he was given a 20 year

prison sentence for a trumped up fraud charge. and has barely been in a prison and not seen daylight for the last 50 days in the arctic winter. and so i think the degree of cruelty, the degree of lawlessness now in russia has reached a level that not even i could have envisaged evenif that not even i could have envisaged even if you years ago. this is a very stark warning of what anybody in eastern ukraine or anywhere else is occupied by russia is going to face down the track.— face down the track. there are 16,000 individuals _ face down the track. there are 16,000 individuals who - face down the track. there are 16,000 individuals who are . 16,000 individuals who are sanctioned in russia. would it have been better to target the frozen russian assets and central banks around the world? would have been better to cut the russian oil revenues that are slightly above where they were at the invasion? we have not made any progress in deconstructing the war economy that putin his belt. i deconstructing the war economy that putin his belt.— putin his belt. i don't think we have made — putin his belt. i don't think we have made no _ putin his belt. i don't think we have made no progress, - putin his belt. i don't think we -

have made no progress, christian, i don't agree with that. i think there is clear evidence that the russian military industrial base is very much lacking high—technology components and so on, but i think that we have failed to do is to cut the actual budget revenues themselves. and of course most of those come from oil. i think 25% of the russian state income comes from oil export tax which is better than income tax in the country. and the problem is here, christian, is fundamentally that third countries art refining russian oil making profits from it and re—exporting it. so in orderfor sessions profits from it and re—exporting it. so in order for sessions to work, we have to be prepared to threaten or impose secondary sanctions on companies and countries in places like turkey and india in order to reduce russia's revenue. {lila like turkey and india in order to reduce russia's revenue. 0k, we will no to a reduce russia's revenue. 0k, we will go to a short — reduce russia's revenue. 0k, we will go to a short break _ reduce russia's revenue. 0k, we will go to a short break and _ reduce russia's revenue. 0k, we will go to a short break and haply more l go to a short break and haply more coming up on the programme. stay with us.

hello there. friday was a day of sunshine and showers and with that misty and we had the cumbrian fella. this february has been a bit of a wash out across england and wales. cardiff and coventry have had well over double the average rainfall so far this month and parts of east anglia and houston hall in norfolk had three times the average rainfall and more common as well. on the satellite picture, all of this white speckled cloud to concede to the north and west of the uk is shallow cloud. there are loads of those and we are looking at more showers working in for over the next few hours, by large these showers are lucky to be across northern and western scotland and if you and the north and west of northern ireland and one or two for wales in the southwest of anyone. but otherwise particularly across inland areas chemically spells into saturday morning and a cold start to the day with some frost or maybe one or two

icy stretches. should be a fine if somewhat chilly start of the day then on saturday but it is another neighbour we will see showers pop up. some of those across northern scotland and some of the heaviest once probably across the areas of mainland and southern and western wales with a real threat of seeing some hail and a bit of thunder mixed in. still with the sunshine comes out, temperatures of around 8—10 to be expected and is about average this time of year. for sunday, for the showers across northern scotland but an area of low pressure looks set to run and across northern france and this could bring a smell of rain and windy or whether it is counties of inwood and wales but it could be the rainjust counties of inwood and wales but it could be the rain just holds a bit further south out in the english channel. that's a big zone of uncertainty really is we had three sunday but still with the book of the uk having a fair amount of sunshine and temperatures still about 8—10. now if we do see that rain in the south could still be affecting east anglia in southeast england in the monday with quite breezy with the condition but for the north for northern ireland and scotland, good portable in england

and wales, underneath the influence of this rigid high—pressure and so the weather should be drier with more in the way of sunshine. after a cold and locally frosty start of the day, temperatures not really changing that much data date, highs of again around 8—10 or so. then deeper into the new working week, it stays unsettled with temperatures often near double figures but there will be rain at times.

hello, i'm christian fraser.