engaged as a citizen stay in the engaged as a citizen because it is urgent —— not leaving the issue. the world would be safer, cleaner, healthier without any question, and there would be a better economy with many more jobs created in these new sectors. everybody is moving too slowly, including ourselves. we are not moving fast enough with the sense of urgency necessary with full commitment. tonight a sit down with the united states leader on climate. john kerry, the white house climate tsar, is leaving hisjob in the coming months. he has told this programme that he leaves the debate in a much better place, but what is it that concerns him about the current direction of travel? and what would a trump presidency mean to the targets that have been set?

also tonight, an emergecy leaders summit at the elysee as things go from bad to worse in ukraine. that meeting is coming to a close this hour. we will bring you all the reaction. good evening. by any measure, this is the year of the climate election. 4 billion people, that's roughly half the world's population, will vote on green policies that will impact not only them and theirfamilies but generations to come. the science is not on the ballot. that was settled a long time ago. what is in question is what the leading parties around the world intend to do about the crisis, specifically, what is their plan to phase out oil, gas, and coal? and nowhere is that question more important than in the united states — the largest emitter of climate pollution in history, and the second largest annual emitter behind china. the man who has been steering us policy on climate isjohn kerry, who will step down in the coming months. so a time then to reflect on what has been achieved, and just what is at stake in this

upcoming november election. when i took the job, when i took thejob, we when i took the job, we were when i took thejob, we were heading towards a 3.7 to [i when i took thejob, we were heading towards a 3.7 to 4 degrees of warming on the planet. now we are heading towards about 2.5, and we have succeeded, i think, globally, in raising ambition of countries around the world. this most recent meeting in dubai, for the first time ever, we have 995 countries that have said we have to transition away from fossil fuels, we have said we have to transition away from fossilfuels, we have have said we have to transition away from fossil fuels, we have to accelerate in this decade, we have to do it in conjunction with a net zero 2050 goal in terms of emissions, and we have to do it according to the science. each of those are very strong imperatives, and it advances us well beyond paris. now, obviously, that isjust words on a piece of paper. if we don't actually do this around the

world. and that is the mission now, it is to implement the tripling of renewables, deployment by 2030, the doubling of energy efficiency, the tripling of nuclear deployment by 2038 - tripling of nuclear deployment by 2038 — these are real goals, they will really make a difference. and the international energy agency has told us, if all of you countries, you governments cannot do everything that you have promised to do in glasgow, in sharm el—sheikh, and now in dubai, we could be at 1.5 degrees. so it is reality check time in every respect, for every government in the world, every business in the world. it is incumbent _ business in the world. it is incumbent for _ business in the world. it is incumbent for the - business in the world. it is incumbent for the two - business in the world. it is incumbent for the two biggest superpowers to go at the same pace. you have a very close relationship with your chinese counterpart. is it a coincidence that you have both stepped down at the same time? yes. it is. butl stepped down at the same time? yes. it is- but i got— stepped down at the same time? yes. it is. but | got the — stepped down at the same time? 133 it is. but i got the feeling being at the cop summit that... we talked

about it, he — at the cop summit that... we talked about it, he told _ at the cop summit that... we talked about it, he told me _ at the cop summit that... we talked about it, he told me he _ at the cop summit that... we talked about it, he told me he was - at the cop summit that... we talked about it, he told me he was planning to leave, and i was planning to leave. it was something we have kind of agreed—upon loosely. but the reason i decided it was time to transition, i am reason i decided it was time to transition, iam not leaving reason i decided it was time to transition, i am not leaving the issue. i will stay and remain engaged as a citizen, and because it is urgent. and i will continue to push the private sector and be involved in the private sector. why? because that is where the fight is now. that is where the trillions of dollars are. and we all know that to affect this transition in time, to avoid the worst damages of the crisis, we must do this urgently, and it will cost somewhere between 2.5 and $5 trillion a year for the next 20 years. we don't have that than any government. no government in the world has that kind of money. the private sector does can easily have that kind of money. the values that you have around the world, it

is in the multiple trillions. and that you have around the world, it is in the multiple trillions.- is in the multiple trillions. and we are seeinu is in the multiple trillions. and we are seeing that _ is in the multiple trillions. and we are seeing that through _ is in the multiple trillions. and we are seeing that through the - are seeing that through the inflation reduction act, without doubt the most ambitious investment in combating climate change anywhere in combating climate change anywhere in the world right now, and yet the united states is still the largest producer in the world.— united states is still the largest - producer in the world.- how producer in the world. correct. how can it lead — producer in the world. correct. how can it lead on _ producer in the world. correct. how can it lead on climate _ producer in the world. correct. how can it lead on climate when - producer in the world. correct. how can it lead on climate when you - producer in the world. correct. how can it lead on climate when you are | can it lead on climate when you are at record levels of production in oil and gas?— at record levels of production in oil and as? �* , ., oil and gas? because gas right now rovides a oil and gas? because gas right now provides a transition _ oil and gas? because gas right now provides a transition away - oil and gas? because gas right now provides a transition away from - oil and gas? because gas right now| provides a transition away from coal and away from oil. that only lasts for a certain period of time, around 2030 gas will begin to be measured far more significantly for the reduction of its emissions. so it is not going to get a freebie, it is not going to get a freebie, it is not that gas is here automatically for the long run, we think, unless we are reducing the emissions. but coal and oil, we are reducing the emissions. but coaland oil, i we are reducing the emissions. but coal and oil, i think most countries, most people are moving away from that very rapidly. except

the asian countries, _ away from that very rapidly. except the asian countries, republicans i away from that very rapidly. except the asian countries, republicans in j the asian countries, republicans in your country would say there 500 gigawatts of coal fire about to come online unabated, why would we start scaling down oil and gas? we would lose our competitive advantage. maw. lose our competitive advantage. now, the entire world _ lose our competitive advantage. now, the entire world needs _ lose our competitive advantage. now, the entire world needs to _ lose our competitive advantage. firm-0", the entire world needs to do this, people have to leave. if everybody sits there waiting for the other guy to move, we don't get there. if we don't have china cooperating with us and we are not cooperating with china, we don't get there. if we do not have russia, mexico, south africa, brazil, a whole group of the largest economies in the world, they are not reducing emissions, we don't get there. are not reducing emissions, we don't aet there. , , .,, ., are not reducing emissions, we don't netthere. , , ., are not reducing emissions, we don't aet there. , , .,, ., _, ., get there. everybody has to come to the table. get there. everybody has to come to the table- 50 — get there. everybody has to come to the table. so why _ get there. everybody has to come to the table. so why on _ get there. everybody has to come to the table. so why on that _ get there. everybody has to come to the table. so why on that basis - get there. everybody has to come to the table. so why on that basis in i the table. so why on that basis in dubai did you not commit the united states unilaterally to a statement that you would phase out oil and gas. that you would phase out oil and t as. ., ., " that you would phase out oil and as. ., ., ~ ., that you would phase out oil and ms, ., ., 4' ., ., , that you would phase out oil and gas. look at what president biden “ust did. gas. look at what president biden just did- he _ gas. look at what president biden just did. he said _ gas. look at what president biden just did. he said we _ gas. look at what president biden just did. he said we are _ gas. look at what president biden just did. he said we are not - just did. he said we are not going to approve the exploration of new

lng right now, we are going to pause because of what happened in dubai, and i think that might look, you cannotjust stop it and i think that might look, you cannot just stop it tomorrow. and i think that might look, you cannotjust stop it tomorrow. i mean, people have to get to work, kids have to go to school, you have emergency vehicles, all the vehicles in the world and transportation needs around the world and power needs around the world and power needs around the world, you cannot just turn that off. what people want to see is the legitimacy of the transition. that is what is called, transition. that is what is called, transition away from fossil fuel, transition away from fossil fuel, transition to the new clean economy, and we have set goals for 2030, not for 2025 necessarily, although you have to set goals en route to get to 2030, so we have to have everybody understand that if you do not meet the 2013 goals we have set, there is no net zero by 2050. fin the 2013 goals we have set, there is no net zero by 2050.— no net zero by 2050. on that basis, what would — no net zero by 2050. on that basis, what would a _ no net zero by 2050. on that basis,

what would a trunk _ no net zero by 2050. on that basis, what would a trunk presidency - no net zero by 2050. on that basis, i what would a trunk presidency mean? i have no idea at this point... we are told the _ i have no idea at this point... we are told the blueprint would be more extreme than in his first term, helix climate science is a scam, it is drill, baby, drill, he would be in power until 2029. —— he thinks climate science is a scam. i in power until2029. -- he thinks climate science is a scam.- climate science is a scam. i don't believe that _ climate science is a scam. i don't believe that will _ climate science is a scam. i don't believe that will happen, - climate science is a scam. i don't believe that will happen, but - climate science is a scam. i don't believe that will happen, but if . climate science is a scam. i don't believe that will happen, but if it| believe that will happen, but if it were to happen, when president trump was president last time, during his term, 75% of the new ultra is at it that came online in the united states came from renewables. why? because that came online in the united states came from renewables. why? because 37 governors in the united states, 37 states, republican and democrat alike, live under the renewable portfolio laws. they have to be moving towards renewables, and they did. so i believe that the economy of the world, ford motor company, general motors, they have decided it will produce electric vehicles, they have spent billions of dollars to retool their plants. if a president or prime minister or a monarch somewhere in the world

stood up and said, we're not going to do this, we are going the other way, guess what? they doing it alone, because the marketplace writ large has decided they are going to move in this direction, just because somebody was elected, the ceo of ford motors or general motors, they are going to not go back and make internal combustion engine cars, thatis internal combustion engine cars, that is not going to happen. globally, the largest corporations in the world have joined something called the first movers coalition. apple, microsoft, sales force, fedex, boeing, ijust mentioned ford, general motors, they have all agreed they are buying green products now even though it might be a bit more expensive in order to send the marketplace and even greater demand signal, so that you are beginning to change people's habits, attitudes, and i believe,

honestly, i think this revolution to a clean energy economy is going to happen. we will become globally a no carb and low carbon global economy. the only issue is will we do this in time to avoid the worst consequences of the crisis was are matters not at all saturn. i of the crisis was are matters not at all saturn. . ~ , ., of the crisis was are matters not at all saturn. ., ~ i. ,., ., of the crisis was are matters not at all saturn-— all saturn. i take your point on the direction of _ all saturn. i take your point on the direction of private _ all saturn. i take your point on the direction of private enterprise - all saturn. i take your point on the direction of private enterprise is i direction of private enterprise is travelling. == direction of private enterprise is travellina . ., direction of private enterprise is travellinu. ., ., ., . ., travelling. -- not at all certain. it requires _ travelling. -- not at all certain. it requires government - travelling. -- not at all certain. - it requires government cooperation, particularly on electric cars. how well do you think the british government is doing that? can you preach net zero and at the same time invest in a new oil and gas fields? i think the meaning of the dubai consensus is that 195 countries signed on to say that we must transition off of fossil fuels. president bidenjust transition off of fossil fuels. president biden just made a decision to say he was not going to approve additional lng development right at this moment, and i think every

country in the world has to be serious about what they signed up to. 50 serious about what they signed up to, ,, ., ., , ., serious about what they signed up to. ., , serious about what they signed up to. ., i. , ., serious about what they signed up to. ., , ., to. so what will you see on your meetings _ to. so what will you see on your meetings today, _ to. so what will you see on your meetings today, then, - to. so what will you see on your meetings today, then, to - to. so what will you see on your meetings today, then, to the i meetings today, then, to the government?— meetings today, then, to the government? well, i will have a discussion _ government? well, i will have a discussion about _ government? well, i will have a discussion about what _ government? well, i will have a discussion about what the - government? well, i will have a discussion about what the plan i discussion about what the plan is, how are they going to meet this goal? is it real? but how are they going to meet this goal? is it real?— how are they going to meet this goal? is it real? but the very fact that ou goal? is it real? but the very fact that you ask _ goal? is it real? but the very fact that you ask if— goal? is it real? but the very fact that you ask if it _ goal? is it real? but the very fact that you ask if it is _ goal? is it real? but the very fact that you ask if it is real, - goal? is it real? but the very fact that you ask if it is real, after- that you ask if it is real, after all the commitments made by boris johnson at cop26 in glasgow, that suggest you are walking it back. now, what i am saying is that everybody is moving too slowly, including ourselves. we are not moving fast enough, with the sense of urgency necessary, with the full commitment to this. look at what you have just said, commitment to this. look at what you havejust said, some people commitment to this. look at what you have just said, some people are saying we are not going to do this if they don't do it. are you kidding me? what part of science, which is pretty basic, the mathematics and physics, of pollution going up into the atmosphere and blanketing the earth and containing heat, is now more than obvious? january and february of this year were the hottest in human history. last year was the hottest year in human

history. in the arctic, it was 70 degrees fahrenheit above normal, and 100 fahrenheit above normal in the arctic. what do people not understand? this is happening, it is only going to get worse and cost more money. and on the other side of the ledger, you have extraordinary job growth potential, you have healthier people, we have 7 million people who die every year right now. as we have seen in the united states, you look at the inflation reduction act and what it is generated, cheap lithium batteries, cheap wind power, more battery plants, so on that basis, when you are saying spend the money now, why, if you were labour, would you step off a commitment to £28 billion, a green commitment that seems to be popular only among young people, they have what that back does that seem to you to be a smart move —— that seems to be popular among young

people? i that seems to be popular among young --eole? ., �* that seems to be popular among young neale? ., �* 4' ., that seems to be popular among young --eole? ., �* ~ ., ., , ., people? i don't know the answer to that question. _ people? i don't know the answer to that question, i _ people? i don't know the answer to that question, i just _ people? i don't know the answer to that question, ijust know - people? i don't know the answer to that question, i just know this - people? i don't know the answer to that question, ijust know this - i that question, ijust know this — that question, ijust know this — that globally, we are not treating this with the seriousness of purpose and commitment that is necessary to get where we need to go. the developed world, the uk, europe, us, japan, canada, australia, other countries, they are moving, they really are moving. not quite fast enough yet, but they are moving. there are some people who are not moving. there are some people who are not movinu. ~ �* , ., there are some people who are not movina.~ �*, ., ., moving. well, there's a reason for that, there — moving. well, there's a reason for that. there is _ moving. well, there's a reason for that, there is something _ moving. well, there's a reason for that, there is something of- moving. well, there's a reason for that, there is something of a - that, there is something of a greenlash right now against climate policy. 0n the right in the uk and across the eu at the moment, climate is being used as a wedge issue, would be farmers, for instance. how do you stick to these pledges that your mission, these commitments that are being made at third max on contemporary politics is trapped in the short—term? —— at cop? i

contemporary politics is trapped in the short-term? -- at cop? i think trauicall the short-term? -- at cop? i think tragically there _ the short-term? -- at cop? i think tragically there are _ the short-term? -- at cop? i think tragically there are too _ the short-term? -- at cop? i think tragically there are too many - tragically there are too many leaders, also called leaders who are not leading, who are exploiting that sort of feeling people have about, well, i don't know if i want to move, you know, there isjust a restraint. and unfortunately we have bad politics, frankly, that is exploiting it, for instance, in our country, wokeism, and esg is being used as an excuse in boardrooms. we actually have the highest legal authorities in the states, attorney generals, threatening to bring suit against certain companies if they invest intelligently in green products or in the transition. this is insanity, it actually is a form of insanity, when you know you are going to... and it is so

short—sighted, it is entirely tied to either money, greed, or the politics of the moment in trying to get elected based on this sort of counter for one. get elected based on this sort of counterfor one. but on get elected based on this sort of counter for one. but on the farmers, for instance, we have to work with those folks, we have to show the farmers ways in which you actually could help them to be able to transition and do better. there are farmers in the midwest of our country who now have wind turbines on their farms, they have got additional... $5 on their farms, they have got additional. . ._ on their farms, they have got additional... a ., additional... as long as you can get additional... as long as you can get a rice for additional... as long as you can get a price for what _ additional... as long as you can get a price for what you _ additional... as long as you can get a price for what you grow, - additional... as long as you can get a price for what you grow, that - additional... as long as you can get a price for what you grow, that is i a price for what you grow, that is the issue. a price for what you grow, that is the issue-— a price for what you grow, that is theissue. ., . ., ., the issue. correct. you can come and ou have the issue. correct. you can come and you have to. — the issue. correct. you can come and you have to. and _ the issue. correct. you can come and you have to, and it _ the issue. correct. you can come and you have to, and it might _ the issue. correct. you can come and you have to, and it might be - the issue. correct. you can come and you have to, and it might be that - you have to, and it might be that thatis you have to, and it might be that that is the place where you put some subsidies, not subsidising the oil and gas industry. we have about $2.5 trillion of subsidy that went to a problem last year rather than to the solution. . ~ problem last year rather than to the solution. ., ~ ., ,., problem last year rather than to the solution. ., ~ ., , ,, , solution. talking about subsidy, the british government _ solution. talking about subsidy, the british government will _ solution. talking about subsidy, the british government will put - solution. talking about subsidy, the british government will put subsidy| british government will put subsidy into a biomass carbon capture plant, it is our biggest power plant. it burns 27 million trees a year,

nearly all that important in your country. the cost of capturing 8 million tonnes of the 12 million tonnes of the carbon that it emits more and more than £1 billion a year to taxpayers' bills. surely there are cleaner ways to invest than that? ., are cleaner ways to invest than that?_ you _ are cleaner ways to invest than that?_ you are - are cleaner ways to invest than that?_ you are an i are cleaner ways to invest than - that?_ you are an advocate that? there are. you are an advocate of carbon capture. _ that? there are. you are an advocate of carbon capture. i _ that? there are. you are an advocate of carbon capture. i am, _ that? there are. you are an advocate of carbon capture. i am, because - that? there are. you are an advocate of carbon capture. i am, because the | of carbon capture. i am, because the scientists are — of carbon capture. i am, because the scientists are telling _ of carbon capture. i am, because the scientists are telling us _ of carbon capture. i am, because the scientists are telling us we _ of carbon capture. i am, because the scientists are telling us we cannot i scientists are telling us we cannot get to net zero 2050 if we don't have some carbon capture. but get to net zero 2050 if we don't have some carbon capture. but it is bein: have some carbon capture. but it is being used — have some carbon capture. but it is being used by _ have some carbon capture. but it is being used by the _ have some carbon capture. but it is being used by the fossil _ have some carbon capture. but it is being used by the fossil fuel- being used by the fossil fuel companies as a get out. it being used by the fossil fuel companies as a get out. it can be, it is not by — companies as a get out. it can be, it is not by everybody. _ companies as a get out. it can be, it is not by everybody. they - companies as a get out. it can be, it is not by everybody. they are i it is not by everybody. they are doing it and they are not putting it back into the atmosphere, people are now doing research about whether or not there are ways to take that carbon, and then created as some staple part of new fuel. a lot of research is taking place now, some of it is out there, some of it is on

a very real track, but i think most people who are involved in this issue believe that that is the way we are ultimately going to make the difference. fusion is now making enormous leaps forward. we could have demonstration projects of fusion somewhere in the next three, four, five years. we have one in massachusetts, my home state. mit has been involved in this for a long time, and fusion isjust has been involved in this for a long time, and fusion is just a has been involved in this for a long time, and fusion isjust a game changer if that breakthrough happens. green hydrogen, prices coming down, we are getting closer. electrolyser is are becoming five times more efficient than they were and producing more. so we are moving in the right direction. again, we have to bring it to scale much faster, much bigger, but we cannot do this without china also doing it, without age doing it. when you mentioned the 500 gigawatts, you are right, it is slated to come on, but guess what? china is also the

largest manufacturer and deploy of renewables in the world. they deploy more renewables than all the rest of the world put together. so if you look at where they are now, it may well be that they do not have to bring all those coal fire power plants online, that is not the reality option with a lot of other countries, where they don't have the other options because they are not deploying the renewables. so this is doable, it is a job creator, it will make life healthierfor doable, it is a job creator, it will make life healthier for people, because we're not putting pollution into the atmosphere, will make countries safer, because they can produce their own energy, not have the threat of interruptions in the persian gulf or having to send your young people off to fight and die somewhere because it is going to support your energy source. the world will be safer, cleaner, healthier without any question, and there will be a better economy with many more jobs created in these new sectors. this is the largest

economic transformation that we are looking at in the history of humankind since the industrial revolution, and there will be enormous numbers ofjobs created, as they already are. in america last year, we had 3.8, 3.9% growth, in clean energyjobs. the growth in the regular energy sector was only about 3%. we now have $1.8 trillion of venture capital in clean energy. last year, the investment in old energy was about $1 trillion. first time ever that clean energy is now beating fossil fuel. so time ever that clean energy is now beating fossilfuel. so i time ever that clean energy is now beating fossil fuel. so i think the trend has started. the issue is, we move fast enough to the worst consequences of a climate crisis? —— will be moved fast enough? john ker who will be moved fast enough? john kerry who will — will be moved fast enough? john kerry who will leave _ will be moved fast enough? john kerry who will leave his job as the climate tsar in the coming months. let's speak to kingsmill bond, energy strategist at the rocky mountain institute.

what interested you the most in that interview? i what interested you the most in that interview? ~ what interested you the most in that interview? ., , ., , interview? i thinkjohn kerry has done a great _ interview? i thinkjohn kerry has done a great job, _ interview? i thinkjohn kerry has done a great job, but _ interview? i thinkjohn kerry has. done a great job, but nevertheless, done a greatjob, but nevertheless, the study as possible even better than john the study as possible even better thanjohn kerry the study as possible even better than john kerry as the study as possible even better thanjohn kerry as saying. we have and we continue to get exponential growth in these renewable energy technologies, the costs are falling, they are below those of fossil fuels, we are getting basically peak fossil fuel demand, fuels, we are getting basically peak fossilfuel demand, and fuels, we are getting basically peak fossil fuel demand, and that is only seen it technology race to be top between china, america, and europe —— unleashing a technology race. and indeed between companies, tess white versus japan versus germany. —— tesla versus japan. now the market can do a lot of the work. we tesla versus japan. now the market can do a lot of the work.— can do a lot of the work. we talked about to be — can do a lot of the work. we talked about to be we _ can do a lot of the work. we talked about to be we have _ can do a lot of the work. we talked about to be we have seen - can do a lot of the work. we talked about to be we have seen it - can do a lot of the work. we talked about to be we have seen it in - about to be we have seen it in europe, through the protests that the farmers have mounted in brussels. there was one thing that stood out to me, the $2.3 trillion in subsidy given to oil and gas,

which he said could be better dedicated to want towards green industries, for transition. do you think enough money has been given to support people who are being asked to follow some of these new restrictions, and are fighting the cost of it? 50 restrictions, and are fighting the cost of it? ~' , restrictions, and are fighting the cost of it? ~ , ., cost of it? so the key thing to remember — cost of it? so the key thing to remember about _ cost of it? so the key thing to remember about the - cost of it? so the key thing to i remember about the renewables cost of it? so the key thing to _ remember about the renewables system is that it is actually cheaper than the fossil fuel system, and the reason why is because every single year, we sent in 2000 billion dollars to vladimir putin and petro states. we will not have to that money any more as you build up the sister, celeste, we have to make sure the money is deployed to those who are damaged by change, but yeah, there will be a lot more money available in the then you are getting free energy from the sun and we can use the spare money and distributed to make it much more

sociallyjust. pare distributed to make it much more sociallyjust— socially “ust. are we using that mone sociallyjust. are we using that money intelligently? _ sociallyjust. are we using that money intelligently? one - sociallyjust. are we using that money intelligently? one of. sociallyjust. are we using that l money intelligently? one of the things he focused on was the drax power plant, the biggest power plant here in the uk, which burns wood chip to take carbon out of what it emits. a lot of those trees come from north america. we substitute the government we think will announce for the power plant, will that be better targeted elsewhere? asjohn that be better targeted elsewhere? as john kerry that be better targeted elsewhere? asjohn kerry said himself, there are far better solutions, bioenergy capture and storage is quite an old way of solving the problem, and very few places outside the uk are doing this seriously, there are much better solutions now, solar, wind... so why is the british government doing it, then, if that sort of science, if that sort of intelligence is out there? it is

sim -l intelligence is out there? it is simply an _ intelligence is out there? it is simply an error. _ intelligence is out there? it is simply an error. they - intelligence is out there? it 3 simply an error. they have made a very basic factual error in thinking that carbon capture and storage actually is a carbon saving technology. it is simply, if you pretend to bad stuff doesn't happen because it is chopping trees down in america, then the numbers add up, but it isjust america, then the numbers add up, but it is just an accounting error, and many people have said this, in addition to this also a ridiculously expensive solution compared to other ways of losing out to without carbon. ,., _, ., ., carbon. he said we cannot live in a world where _ carbon. he said we cannot live in a world where we _ carbon. he said we cannot live in a world where we are _ carbon. he said we cannot live in a world where we are waiting - carbon. he said we cannot live in a world where we are waiting for- carbon. he said we cannot live in a | world where we are waiting for one another to go fast. but that is the politics of it, the republicans point to what is happening in china, that's why they are being asked to cut oil and gas. colombia hasjust joined this new initiative, not a small country, they signed up to a non—proliferation treaty to oil and gas, is that a good initiative?

certainly the non—proliferation treaty is something that will be required over time, but i think i want to go back to the point that this is a technology race, so think of yourself in the year 1900, and some of this is to you there's no point deploying electricity or cars because they are expensive technologies, lots of horses and machine two to pick up the horse manure, that was a stupid thing to do then and stupid now not to —— stupid and out to double down on the it is stupid now to double down on the old systems. just it is stupid now to double down on the old systems.— the old systems. just a final thought. — the old systems. just a final thought. if— the old systems. just a final thought, if you _ the old systems. just a final thought, if you were - the old systems. just a final thought, if you were to - the old systems. just a final thought, if you were to sum the old systems. just a final. thought, if you were to sum up the old systems. just a final- thought, if you were to sum up his legacy, he re—entered the palace climate change, put the united states back into the international picture on climate, he re—established a relationship with china, he had a quite extraordinary relationship with his opposite number, so in that sense he has left the united states policy in a good place, hasn't he? he the united states policy in a good place, hasn't he?— place, hasn't he? he has done a fabulous iob- —

place, hasn't he? he has done a fabulous job. he _ place, hasn't he? he has done a fabulous job. he also _ place, hasn't he? he has done a fabulous job. he also has- place, hasn't he? he has done a fabulous job. he also has got i place, hasn't he? he has done a| fabulous job. he also has got the place, hasn't he? he has done a - fabulous job. he also has got the us fabulousjob. he also has got the us backin fabulousjob. he also has got the us back in the game, stimulating a much greater competition between the us, china, europe, and it is that race to the top for leadership in the technologies of the future which will actually help to drive change. kingsmill bond, thank you, very good to talk to you this evening. we will talk plenty more in the programme about ukraine, there is a summit wrapping up in paris. french president emmanuel macron has called 20 leaders and foreign ministers to the elite eight palace this afternoon to discuss the situation in ukraine, so stay with us, we will bring you all the reaction to that —— the elysee palace. hello there, good evening. a rather wet start across the southeast of england today, but for many, it was largely dry. the best of the sunshine

towards the west today, such as here in northern ireland, also western scotland. wales and the southwest of england, seeing lots of blue sky around, some sunny spells, but also some showers blowing in from the north sea, though, further east. and the general forecast, as we head through the rest of the week, it's going to be changeable — wet and windy at times, some frost and fog forming perhaps for some over the next couple of nights. and then the air turns briefly milder through the middle part of the week. now, overnight tonight, we look out towards the northwest of scotland, into northern ireland, where we see a couple of weather fronts approaching. temperatures dipping away for a while, but then rising again as the cloud starts to thicken and the rain pushes through. but further south, for england and wales, it's going to feel rather chilly. there'll be a frost and also some fog developing as the winds lighten — the fog most likely for the east midlands and into east anglia. but this is how we'll start of the day on tuesday. now, that fog will be slow to lift and clear. there will be some hazy sunshine across the southeastern quadrant of the uk. further north and west, that frontjust continues to slip further southwards and eastwards,

but as it bumps into the high pressure, it's fizzling out. so the rain will be really quite negligible by the time we get to the end of the day. brighter skies developing behind the front. a scattering of showers and temperatures are milder across much of scotland, northern england and northern ireland — 9 or 10 celsius here. now, as we head through tuesday night, again, a frost possible across england and wales, but too windy for any frost to form really further north than that and another warm front approaches. now, this is going to drag with it some milderfeeling air and also some further outbreaks of rain — heaviest towards the west across northern ireland, western scotland, down through northwest england, western wales and the southwest of england. but it's a largely dry day, but with thickening cloud through the afternoon across eastern england. temperatures here reaching double figures as that milder air gradually sweeps its way eastwards. but then a couple of cold fronts will be pushing through as we head through thursday. so, again, it will be turning colderfor most. this rain pushes across east anglia through central southern england, perhaps pepping up at times.

brighter skies, but also a good scattering of showers and some chillierfeeling air. some of these showers could be wintry, perhaps over the scottish mountains, so turning colder. bye— bye.

hello, i'm christian fraser. you're watching the context on bbc news. the last barrier to sweden becoming a member of nato has been lifted as hungarian mps finally

give their approval. plenty more on the situation in ukraine to come but before that we will check on the sport. everton say they're "satisfied" having had their 10 point deduction reduced to six, moving them up from 17th to 15th in the premier league table, now 5 points above the relegation zone. the club were referred to an independent commission in march for alleged breaches of the premier leagues financial rules from the 2021—22 season and were deducted the points in november, which the club appealed. everton say, "while we're still digesting the appeal board s decision, we are satisfied our appeal has resulted in a reduction in the points sanction. the club is also particularly pleased with the appeal board s decision to overturn the original commission s finding that the club failed to act in utmost good faith". it means luton now find themselves deeper in the relegation zone.