it lamentably slow until mr bates, it was the a% you lamentably slow until mr bates, it was the 4% you quoted, lamentably slow, this was not being expedited one bit. . , slow, this was not being expedited one bit. ., , ., slow, this was not being expedited one bit. . , ., , ., one bit. there was a period where it was the responsibility _ one bit. there was a period where it was the responsibility of _ one bit. there was a period where it was the responsibility of the - one bit. there was a period where it was the responsibility of the post i was the responsibility of the post office. _ was the responsibility of the post office, hss, was the responsibility of the post office, h55, and you were the chairman _ office, h55, and you were the chairman. did you fail in getting compensation? no, chairman. did you fail in getting compensation?— chairman. did you fail in getting comensation? ., , , ., compensation? no, because we need to distinuuish compensation? no, because we need to distinguish between _ compensation? no, because we need to distinguish between the _ compensation? no, because we need to distinguish between the various - distinguish between the various schemes and my main gripe is with the overturned convictions and the slow process we had. that the overturned convictions and the slow process we had.— the overturned convictions and the slow process we had. that seems like a smoke and — slow process we had. that seems like a smoke and mirrors _ slow process we had. that seems like a smoke and mirrors answer. - slow process we had. that seems like a smoke and mirrors answer. the - a smoke and mirrors answer. the rouress a smoke and mirrors answer. the progress on _ a smoke and mirrors answer. tue: progress on hss a smoke and mirrors answer. tue: progress on h55 and a smoke and mirrors answer. tue progress on h55 and the other schemes, i don't think, it could have been faster but it is not my biggest gripe. the executors run the

conversation and i thought the progress was adequate as you have had given back to you by simon, so i don't have a gripe with that but i have a gripe with the overturned convictions and the fact it was so slow and we were getting nowhere and we were told it was not possible and then suddenly we had mr bates and then suddenly we had mr bates and then exoneration was possible. including the period you were responsible for? but you don't seem to want_ responsible for? but you don't seem to want to _ responsible for? but you don't seem to want to accept that your organisation when you were chair was part of— organisation when you were chair was part of the _ organisation when you were chair was part of the problem. | organisation when you were chair was part of the problem. i do organisation when you were chair was part of the problem.— part of the problem. i do think the ost office part of the problem. i do think the post office was — part of the problem. i do think the post office was part _ part of the problem. i do think the post office was part of _ part of the problem. i do think the post office was part of the - part of the problem. i do think the | post office was part of the problem but i don't think the compensation could be considered slow. the post office made a point but it wasn't

slow, so i think is a chairman, if something is going wrong, the chief executive should be the first person to deal with it, and if it is going terribly wrong with the chairman needs to sort it with the chief executive and i did not feel the progress with hss was terribly slow and therefore needed the intervention of the chairman. in your interim meeting, you described it as so _ your interim meeting, you described it as so unusual, so at what point did you _ it as so unusual, so at what point did you raise _ it as so unusual, so at what point did you raise what you spoke about with her_ did you raise what you spoke about with her to — did you raise what you spoke about with her to the secretary of state and the _ with her to the secretary of state and the minister or the other senior official? _ and the minister or the other senior official? |_ and the minister or the other senior official? ., , and the minister or the other senior official? . , . ~ ., official? i raised it with nick to sa m official? i raised it with nick to say my assessment _ official? i raised it with nick to say my assessment is, - official? i raised it with nick to say my assessment is, he - official? i raised it with nick to i say my assessment is, he asked official? i raised it with nick to - say my assessment is, he asked me, what you want to do, and i said we should carry on. ahead with the inquiry and compensation, and if we get feedback that we have either

misspent public money or been too quick, i would take the consequences. it was actually quite a brave decision on my part to take that decision. you a brave decision on my part to take that decision.— that decision. you made a decision to not raise — that decision. you made a decision to not raise it _ that decision. you made a decision to not raise it with _ that decision. you made a decision to not raise it with the _ that decision. you made a decision to not raise it with the secretary i to not raise it with the secretary of state, — to not raise it with the secretary of state, the minister or the official— of state, the minister or the official you had had the conversation with. | official you had had the conversation with. ., ., ., ~ conversation with. i had to take action on the — conversation with. i had to take action on the facts _ conversation with. i had to take action on the facts as _ conversation with. i had to take action on the facts as i - conversation with. i had to take action on the facts as i find - conversation with. i had to take l action on the facts as i find them and i took the action that we would not slow in those areas. that meetin: not slow in those areas. that meeting was _ not slow in those areas. that meeting was in _ not slow in those areas. that meeting was in january - not slow in those areas. that meeting was injanuary and on thursday— meeting was injanuary and on thursday 23rd of march in 2023, the post office _ thursday 23rd of march in 2023, the post office minister made a statement to the house of commons, i assume _ statement to the house of commons, i assume as— statement to the house of commons, i assume as the chairman of the post office. _ assume as the chairman of the post office. he _ assume as the chairman of the post office, he said, we expect to make payments — office, he said, we expect to make payments much faster than that, so youthen _ payments much faster than that, so you then heard, despite thinking things— you then heard, despite thinking things were confused, you heard the minister— things were confused, you heard the minister may clear at the dispatch

box that— minister may clear at the dispatch box that he wanted to move things quickly, _ box that he wanted to move things quickly, did you have a conversation with the _ quickly, did you have a conversation with the minister or the secretary of state _ with the minister or the secretary of state or— with the minister or the secretary of state or the official after that point? — of state or the official after that oint? �* .., , of state or the official after that oint? �* .. , of state or the official after that oint? �* .., , , ., point? because i said we should still no point? because i said we should still go ahead, _ point? because i said we should still go ahead, in _ point? because i said we should still go ahead, in terms - point? because i said we should still go ahead, in terms of- point? because i said we should still go ahead, in terms of our. still go ahead, in terms of our spend on the inquiry and compensation and legal fees on the inquiry, i was not uncomfortable with the decision we have taken. this with the decision we have taken. no is the answer? to _ with the decision we have taken. no is the answer? to what? _ with the decision we have taken. no is the answer? to what? that - with the decision we have taken. no is the answer? to what? that you i with the decision we have taken. no | is the answer? to what? that you did not have a conversation _ is the answer? to what? that you did not have a conversation with - is the answer? to what? that you did not have a conversation with the - not have a conversation with the minister? — not have a conversation with the minister? ., �* not have a conversation with the minister?_ ministers minister? no, i didn't. ministers made clear— minister? no, i didn't. ministers made clear in _ minister? no, i didn't. ministers made clear in the _ minister? no, i didn't. ministers made clear in the house - minister? no, i didn't. ministers made clear in the house of- minister? no, i didn't. ministers- made clear in the house of commons that they— made clear in the house of commons that they wanted to accelerate payments, so even so you could... with _ payments, so even so you could... with due _ payments, so even so you could... with due respect, you could see a discrepancy with what you thought you had _ discrepancy with what you thought you had been told and what ministers said at— you had been told and what ministers said at the _ you had been told and what ministers said at the dispatch box, you still decided _ said at the dispatch box, you still decided not to say anything to the only shareholder? | decided not to say anything to the only shareholder?—

decided not to say anything to the only shareholder? i was for anything that accelerated _ only shareholder? i was for anything that accelerated payments _ only shareholder? i was for anything that accelerated payments to - that accelerated payments to postmasters with any scheme, and we now need it on overturned convictions, which i'm supportive of, so when the minister said we can further accelerate payments, i was in favour of it.— in favour of it. you went on record and said the _ in favour of it. you went on record and said the direct _ in favour of it. you went on record and said the direct opposite, - in favour of it. you went on record and said the direct opposite, that| and said the direct opposite, that you had _ and said the direct opposite, that you had been told to delay payments injuty. _ you had been told to delay payments injuty. at _ you had been told to delay payments injuly, at an urgent question you had been told to delay payments in july, at an urgent question from the member sat behind you, there was an urgent— the member sat behind you, there was an urgent question about the horizon scandal— an urgent question about the horizon scandal and minister hollin rake said they— scandal and minister hollin rake said they wanted to speed up compensation. you had a conversation injanuary_ compensation. you had a conversation injanuary and in march it was made very ctear— injanuary and in march it was made very clear that we wanted to move faster— very clear that we wanted to move faster and — very clear that we wanted to move faster and injuly we wanted to move fast, so _ faster and injuly we wanted to move fast, so did _ faster and injuly we wanted to move fast, so did injuly did you speak to the _ fast, so did injuly did you speak to the secretary of state or the minister—

to the secretary of state or the minister of postal affairs? | to the secretary of state or the minister of postal affairs? i was uuite minister of postal affairs? i was quite happy _ minister of postal affairs? i was quite happy with _ minister of postal affairs? i was quite happy with speeding - minister of postal affairs? t —" quite happy with speeding up, that was just fine by me. quite happy with speeding up, that wasjust fine by me. t’itt quite happy with speeding up, that wasjust fine by me.— quite happy with speeding up, that wasjust fine by me. was 'ust fine by me. i'm not asking if wasjust fine by me. i'm not asking if ou wasjust fine by me. i'm not asking if you were — wasjust fine by me. i'm not asking if you were happy. _ wasjust fine by me. i'm not asking if you were happy, i'm _ wasjust fine by me. i'm not asking if you were happy, i'm asking - if you were happy, i'm asking whether— if you were happy, i'm asking whether you raise your concerns that you thought — whether you raise your concerns that you thought there was a view that compensation should be delayed? the oint compensation should be delayed? the. point i'm compensation should be delayed? tue point i'm making is that having heard what miss mumby said, i said we should continue, so i did not have any concerns that we were not paying the postmasters quickly enough, and ijust put this in my file and basically forgot about it. so would you say as chairman of any book— so would you say as chairman of any book if_ so would you say as chairman of any book if your — so would you say as chairman of any book if your primary shareholder gives— book if your primary shareholder gives you — book if your primary shareholder gives you a — book if your primary shareholder gives you a steer on something, you would _ gives you a steer on something, you would take _ gives you a steer on something, you would take the view to ignore it entirety? — would take the view to ignore it entirety? |_ would take the view to ignore it entirel ? ., ., ., ., ., entirely? i have done that on a number of _ entirely? i have done that on a number of occasions _ entirely? i have done that on a number of occasions and - entirely? i have done that on a number of occasions and yourl entirely? i have done that on a i number of occasions and yourjob entirely? i have done that on a - number of occasions and yourjob as chairman is to do the right thing by

the company and unconsciously being told by shareholders we want you to do this and that but i have always found that if you do what shareholders tell you in the corporate sense, and it goes wrong, they never say we told you to do it —— i'm constantly being told. i would always rather do what the right thing is. you never came close to tendering your resignation? t did to tendering your resignation? i did not think it was _ to tendering your resignation? i did not think it was a _ to tendering your resignation? i did not think it was a resignation issue. — not think it was a resignation issue. we _ not think it was a resignation issue, we were going to proceed in the morally— issue, we were going to proceed in the morally right way to pay compensation.— the morally right way to pay compensation. the morally right way to pay comensation. ~ , ., , , compensation. were you 'ust in this forpersonar— compensation. were you 'ust in this for personal financial _ compensation. were you just in this for personal financial benefit? - my pension is a considerable factor of what _ my pension is a considerable factor of what my— my pension is a considerable factor of what my post office salary is, i'm of what my post office salary is, im very — of what my post office salary is, i'm very fortunate to have that position — i'm very fortunate to have that position so i'm not in this for the

money— position so i'm not in this for the money at — position so i'm not in this for the money at all. position so i'm not in this for the money at all-— money at all. what was your enumeration? _ money at all. what was your enumeration? 150,000 - money at all. what was your| enumeration? 150,000 which money at all. what was your . enumeration? 150,000 which is money at all. what was your - enumeration? 150,000 which is half what i enumeration? 150,000 which is half whatl not enumeration? 150,000 which is half what i got in — enumeration? 150,000 which is half what i got in the _ enumeration? 150,000 which is half what i got in the other— enumeration? 150,000 which is half what i got in the other companies i what i got in the other companies that i_ what i got in the other companies that i do— what i got in the other companies that i do for about three times the work _ that i do for about three times the work. ., ., ., ., , .., work. you have heard how significant that is compared _ work. you have heard how significant that is compared to _ work. you have heard how significant that is compared to the _ work. you have heard how significant that is compared to the postmasters| that is compared to the postmasters and sub—postmasters? did you ever ask for that to be increased? t ask for that to be increased? i never asked for an increase, i was not in _ never asked for an increase, i was not in it— never asked for an increase, i was not in it for— never asked for an increase, i was not in it for the money. i got a salary— not in it for the money. i got a salary and _ not in it for the money. i got a salary and i_ not in it for the money. i got a salary and i left it at that. i�*m salary and i left it at that. i'm still not convinced _ salary and i left it at that. t�*tt still not convinced we got a clear answer as to why you decided not to take your concerns to either the secretary of state or the minister responsible for the post office or the department for trade officials, and perhaps if you had spoken to one of them to raise concerns we could have a sense that you are not now conjecturing this with some kind of political ins —— political expedient

scratch mark there is no political expedient is because t am scratch mark there is no political expedient is because— expedient is because i am 'ust a businessman. i expedient is because i am 'ust a businessman. "i expedient is because i am 'ust a businessman. if it i expedient is because i am 'ust a businessman. if it came i expedient is because i am just a businessman. if it came back i expedient is because i am just a businessman. if it came back to| expedient is because i am just a i businessman. if it came back to me and said. _ businessman. if it came back to me and said. you — businessman. if it came back to me and said, you are proceeding to fast, _ and said, you are proceeding to fast, that— and said, you are proceeding to fast, that would have been different but i fast, that would have been different but i was _ fast, that would have been different but i was comfortable with the position— but i was comfortable with the position we were taking which will was that— position we were taking which will was that we would carry on paying postmasters at a decent rate. we are about to move — postmasters at a decent rate. we are about to move into _ postmasters at a decent rate. we are about to move into the _ postmasters at a decent rate. we are about to move into the fifth - postmasters at a decent rate. we are about to move into the fifth hour- postmasters at a decent rate. we are about to move into the fifth hour of. about to move into the fifth hour of hearings _ about to move into the fifth hour of hearings mr— about to move into the fifth hour of hearings. mr mcdonald? _ about to move into the fifth hour of hearings. mr mcdonald? this i about to move into the fifth hour of hearings. mr mcdonald?— about to move into the fifth hour of hearings. mr mcdonald? this has been another unedifying _ hearings. mr mcdonald? this has been another unedifying process _ hearings. mr mcdonald? this has been another unedifying process in - another unedifying process in parliament and mr staunton has titted _ parliament and mr staunton has lifted the lid on what we knew of a dysfunctional organisation, but it has been — dysfunctional organisation, but it has been taken to new heights today. and all— has been taken to new heights today. and all the _ has been taken to new heights today. and all the while, the people we really— and all the while, the people we really care about, the postmasters and post—mistresses, they are no

further— and post—mistresses, they are no further forward, and i don't suppose their confidence has been increased by what _ their confidence has been increased by what they have heard today from anybody _ by what they have heard today from anybody. butjust as by what they have heard today from anybody. but just as a final parting question— anybody. but just as a final parting question from me, in all these circumstances, do you think it is incumbent — circumstances, do you think it is incumbent now on everybody else involved _ incumbent now on everybody else involved in — incumbent now on everybody else involved in the process to give some certainty— involved in the process to give some certainty to — involved in the process to give some certainty to those postmasters and mistresses, to come up with legally binding _ mistresses, to come up with legally binding dates by which they should be compensated?— binding dates by which they should be com ensated? ~ ,,., , ., ., , be compensated? absolutely. not only that, we be compensated? absolutely. not only that. we need — be compensated? absolutely. not only that. we need to _ be compensated? absolutely. not only that, we need to review— be compensated? absolutely. not only that, we need to review the _ be compensated? absolutely. not only that, we need to review the cases i that, we need to review the cases that, we need to review the cases that have been agreed because there is no question that postmasters have signed agreement when they were just taking a fraction, so it is a bigger issue when you have raised in terms of dates but we need to go back and getjustice even for of dates but we need to go back and get justice even for those of dates but we need to go back and getjustice even for those that have agreed amounts, so it is a lot

bigger than you suggest. t agreed amounts, so it is a lot bigger than you suggest. i wanted to ask, as a chairman _ bigger than you suggest. i wanted to ask, as a chairman of— bigger than you suggest. i wanted to ask, as a chairman of the _ bigger than you suggest. i wanted to ask, as a chairman of the board, i i ask, as a chairman of the board, i assume _ ask, as a chairman of the board, i assume you — ask, as a chairman of the board, i assume you do evaluations of the executive — assume you do evaluations of the executive team, how would you rate the performance of mr williams as chief executive? we the performance of mr williams as chief executive?— chief executive? we do do evaluations _ chief executive? we do do evaluations in _ chief executive? we do do evaluations in the - chief executive? we do do evaluations in the board . chief executive? we do do l evaluations in the board and chief executive? we do do i evaluations in the board and with respect of mr read, is a tough job, tougher than the companies i have talked about because there are so many strands to this, so i think he was doing fine, huge pressures on him, and i must�*ve had four conversations when he said he was going to chuck it in and myjob was to be someone who would understand the pressures he was on because i think it would be difficult to find a replacement at this stage with the

business in the state it is in. if i did not think he was doing satisfactory, i would have asked him to change things.— to change things. what about the renumeration _ to change things. what about the renumeration package, _ to change things. what about the renumeration package, based i to change things. what about the renumeration package, based on| to change things. what about the i renumeration package, based on his performance and dealing with the tegacy— performance and dealing with the legacy issues? | performance and dealing with the legacy issues?— performance and dealing with the lea issues? . ., . ., ., legacy issues? i am not the chairman ofthe legacy issues? i am not the chairman of the remco — legacy issues? i am not the chairman of the remco but _ legacy issues? i am not the chairman of the remco but i _ legacy issues? i am not the chairman of the remco but i got _ legacy issues? i am not the chairman of the remco but i got a _ legacy issues? i am not the chairman of the remco but i got a strong i of the remco but i got a strong message from a grant shapps when he was secretary of state, do not think about going for any salary increase, and also a strong message from minister kevin hollinrake, and i said that nick is unhappy with his salary, and he said, do not waste a postage stamp coming to talk to me about it. ., , ., ., _ about it. you did try to get a pay rise? despite — about it. you did try to get a pay rise? despite the _ about it. you did try to get a pay rise? despite the things - about it. you did try to get a pay rise? despite the things we i about it. you did try to get a payj rise? despite the things we have heard _ rise? despite the things we have heard about normal postmasters and sub—masters who were on £20,000, did

you not— sub—masters who were on £20,000, did you not know— sub—masters who were on £20,000, did you not know the discrepancy between the person— you not know the discrepancy between the person at the top and the person at the _ the person at the top and the person at the bottom and did you not care? of course _ at the bottom and did you not care? of course i— at the bottom and did you not care? of course i care and there is an of course i care and there is an enormous discrepancy as there is in any other commercial organisation between the person on the shop floor and the chief executive, so of course i cared, but i don't think we are that different from anywhere else. when i went to see grant shapps i had only been in the organisation a couple of months, if that, so this was not one where i had detailed issues about knowing that we have these issues. tt had detailed issues about knowing that we have these issues.- that we have these issues. if after a month, that we have these issues. if after a month. given — that we have these issues. if after a month, given all— that we have these issues. if after a month, given all the _ that we have these issues. if after a month, given all the problems. that we have these issues. if after. a month, given all the problems we know— a month, given all the problems we know about — a month, given all the problems we know about the post office, you decided — know about the post office, you decided to ask for a pay rise for the chief— decided to ask for a pay rise for the chief executive of the time, that indicates you were not sufficiently over the deeds? | that indicates you were not sufficiently over the deeds? i was tremendously _ sufficiently over the deeds? i was tremendously over _ sufficiently over the deeds? i was tremendously over the _ sufficiently over the deeds? i was tremendously over the detail. i sufficiently over the deeds? the; tremendously over the detail. i'm more over the detail than my

colleagues who are german because i'm an accountant, ijust do that, but this was very early on, in my discussions, and there was a letter drafted by hr and they said, would you go along and talk to the secretary of state, and i went with her and the truth is, of course, i saw very quickly that it was a complete waste of time, just as when the minister wrote to us and said, i'm fed up with these errors happening in the governance and i thought it was a very fair thing to write. . . . thought it was a very fair thing to write. . . , ,., thought it was a very fair thing to write. . . , ,. ., ., write. that draws the panel to a conclusion- _ write. that draws the panel to a conclusion. thank _ write. that draws the panel to a conclusion. thank you _ write. that draws the panel to a conclusion. thank you very i write. that draws the panel to a | conclusion. thank you very much write. that draws the panel to a i conclusion. thank you very much for your evidence — conclusion. thank you very much for your evidence this— conclusion. thank you very much for your evidence this afternoon, - conclusion. thank you very much for your evidence this afternoon, mr i your evidence this afternoon, mr staunton. — your evidence this afternoon, mr staunton. you _ your evidence this afternoon, mr staunton. you have _ your evidence this afternoon, mr staunton. you have stood - your evidence this afternoon, mr staunton. you have stood by- your evidence this afternoon, mr staunton. you have stood by thej staunton. you have stood by the assertions— staunton. you have stood by the assertions in— staunton. you have stood by the assertions in the _ staunton. you have stood by the assertions in the media - staunton. you have stood by the assertions in the media that- staunton. you have stood by the assertions in the media that you | assertions in the media that you came _ assertions in the media that you came away— assertions in the media that you came away from _ assertions in the media that you came away from a _ assertions in the media that you came away from a meeting - assertions in the media that you came away from a meeting with| assertions in the media that you i came away from a meeting with a civil servant — came away from a meeting with a civil servant under— came away from a meeting with a civil servant under the _ came away from a meeting with aj civil servant under the impression that an _ civil servant under the impression that an option _ civil servant under the impression that an option was _ civil servant under the impression that an option was to _ civil servant under the impression that an option was to slow- civil servant under the impression that an option was to slow down i civil servant under the impression. that an option was to slow down the pace of— that an option was to slow down the pace of redress— that an option was to slow down the pace of redress and _ that an option was to slow down the pace of redress and you _ that an option was to slow down the pace of redress and you have - that an option was to slow down the pace of redress and you have said i pace of redress and you have said that there — pace of redress and you have said that there is — pace of redress and you have said that there is not _ pace of redress and you have said that there is not a _ pace of redress and you have said that there is not a hard _ pace of redress and you have said| that there is not a hard ring—fence around _ that there is not a hard ring—fence around the — that there is not a hard ring—fence around the money _ that there is not a hard ring—fence around the money for _ that there is not a hard ring—fence i around the money for compensation,

that is— around the money for compensation, that is your— around the money for compensation, that is your understanding, _ around the money for compensation, that is your understanding, and - around the money for compensation, that is your understanding, and you i that is your understanding, and you have given — that is your understanding, and you have given some _ that is your understanding, and you have given some pretty _ that is your understanding, and you have given some pretty bombshelll have given some pretty bombshell revelations — have given some pretty bombshell revelations about _ have given some pretty bombshell revelations about a _ have given some pretty bombshell revelations about a boardroom i have given some pretty bombshelll revelations about a boardroom that is in some — revelations about a boardroom that is in some disarray, _ revelations about a boardroom that is in some disarray, a _ revelations about a boardroom that is in some disarray, a chief- is in some disarray, a chief executive _ is in some disarray, a chief executive under— is in some disarray, a chief. executive under investigation, is in some disarray, a chief- executive under investigation, and achieve _ executive under investigation, and achieve executive _ executive under investigation, and achieve executive who _ executive under investigation, and achieve executive who has - executive under investigation, and achieve executive who has soughtl executive under investigation, and i achieve executive who has sought to resign— achieve executive who has sought to resign even— achieve executive who has sought to resign even though _ achieve executive who has sought to resign even though he _ achieve executive who has sought to resign even though he has _ achieve executive who has sought to resign even though he hasjust- achieve executive who has sought to resign even though he has just told. resign even though he has just told us on _ resign even though he has just told us on oath — resign even though he has just told us on oath that _ resign even though he has just told us on oath that he _ resign even though he has just told us on oath that he is— resign even though he has just told us on oath that he is not. - resign even though he has just told us on oath that he is not. and - resign even though he has just told us on oath that he is not. and you i us on oath that he is not. and you very— us on oath that he is not. and you very much— us on oath that he is not. and you very much for— us on oath that he is not. and you very much for the _ us on oath that he is not. and you very much for the evidence - us on oath that he is not. and you very much for the evidence to i us on oath that he is not. and you very much for the evidence to the| very much for the evidence to the committee. — very much for the evidence to the committee. we _ very much for the evidence to the committee. we will— very much for the evidence to the committee. we will reflect - very much for the evidence to the committee. we will reflect on i very much for the evidence to the| committee. we will reflect on that and report— committee. we will reflect on that and report back. _ something is raised about the sid process, which i strongly disagree, i have acted absolutely scrupulously and fairly, so i didn't want that to pass. if you'd asked me i could have given you chapter and verse, but... order. ,, , ., �* ., . “ order. studio: you're watching bbc news, it's order. studio: you're watching bbc news. it'sjust _ order. studio: you're watching bbc news, it'sjust gone _ order. studio: you're watching bbc news, it'sjust gone three _ order. studio: you're watching bbc news, it'sjust gone three o'clock, i news, it's just gone three o'clock, he has been watching former post office chair henry staunton giving evidence to mps about