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and we to see how far we have to go and we do want _ to see how far we have to go and we do want a _ to see how far we have to go and we do want a police service that responds— do want a police service that responds to victims with respect and empathy— responds to victims with respect and empathy and we want all recently lines _ empathy and we want all recently lines of— empathy and we want all recently lines of inquiry that can identify a perpetrator, that they are followed and used _ perpetrator, that they are followed and used alongside the evidence base in these _ and used alongside the evidence base in these areas that we are gathering. this new evidence—based approach has started _ this new evidence—based approach has started with _ this new evidence—based approach has started with rape _ this new evidence—based approach has started with rape and _ this new evidence—based approach has started with rape and sexual— started with rape and sexual offences, _ started with rape and sexual offences, and _ started with rape and sexual offences, and it _ started with rape and sexual offences, and it puts- started with rape and sexual offences, and it puts a - started with rape and sexual- offences, and it puts a relentless focus _ offences, and it puts a relentless focus on — offences, and it puts a relentless focus on the _ offences, and it puts a relentless focus on the perpetrator, - offences, and it puts a relentless focus on the perpetrator, and - focus on the perpetrator, and swporting _ focus on the perpetrator, and supporting victims _ focus on the perpetrator, and supporting victims— focus on the perpetrator, and supporting victims alongside other organisations. _ supporting victims alongside other organisations. we _ supporting victims alongside other organisations. we have _ supporting victims alongside other organisations. we have worked - supporting victims alongside other. organisations. we have worked with the violence against women and girls sector, _ the violence against women and girls sector, the _ the violence against women and girls sector, the women's sector, with academics, — sector, the women's sector, with academics, and with victim survivors _ academics, and with victim survivors. we have listened and we still survivors. we have listened and we stilt know _ survivors. we have listened and we still know that the action we are taking _ still know that the action we are taking needs to continue. this is about— taking needs to continue. this is about investing far into the future. we know _ about investing far into the future. we know we still have a long way to lo. we know we still have a long way to -o. | we know we still have a long way to go i have _ we know we still have a long way to go. i have said before that we are turning _ go. i have said before that we are turning the — go. i have said before that we are turning the tables on men who are violent, _ turning the tables on men who are violent, violent to women, both externally, but also internally, looking — externally, but also internally, looking at our own insider threat.
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there _ looking at our own insider threat. there is_ looking at our own insider threat. there is still so much to do in policing — there is still so much to do in policing and across society. i would like to _ policing and across society. i would like to finish by talking directly and speaking directly to women, you will be _ and speaking directly to women, you will be right to be angry today, about — will be right to be angry today, about what you are reading and hearing — about what you are reading and hearing i — about what you are reading and hearing. i want to stress that policing — hearing. i want to stress that policing is _ hearing. i want to stress that policing is taking this seriously. ptease — policing is taking this seriously. please do— policing is taking this seriously. please do come forward and seek help and support— please do come forward and seek help and support if you need it. thank ou. we and support if you need it. thank yom we will _ and support if you need it. thank you. we will now— and support if you need it. thank you. we will now begin _ and support if you need it. thank you. we will now begin the - and support if you need it. thank you. we will now begin the q&a. please introduce yourself first. from itv news. you are all saying that this _ from itv news. you are all saying that this should _ from itv news. you are all saying that this should have _ from itv news. you are all saying that this should have never- that this should have never happened _ that this should have never happened. but— that this should have never happened. but none - that this should have never happened. but none of- that this should have never| happened. but none of your that this should have never- happened. but none of your saying that it _ happened. but none of your saying that it won't — happened. but none of your saying that it won't happen _ happened. but none of your saying that it won't happen again. - happened. but none of your saying that it won't happen again. are - happened. but none of your sayingi that it won't happen again. are any of you _ that it won't happen again. are any of you promising _ that it won't happen again. are any of you promising that _ that it won't happen again. are any of you promising that we _ that it won't happen again. are any of you promising that we don't - that it won't happen again. are anyi of you promising that we don't have another— of you promising that we don't have another wayne _ of you promising that we don't have another wayne couzens _ of you promising that we don't have another wayne couzens right - of you promising that we don't have another wayne couzens right now, i another wayne couzens right now, operating — another wayne couzens right now, operating within _ another wayne couzens right now, operating within the _ another wayne couzens right now, operating within the police? - another wayne couzens right now, operating within the police? [t- another wayne couzens right now, operating within the police? [it is l operating within the police? it is very difficult. — operating within the police? very difficult, absolutely impossible to give a cast—iron, copper bottom guarantee like that, but what we are expressing is a
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determination to minimise that threat. i can talk about lots of things, but let me first talk about setting, vetting is only one part of a protective network which will protect women against men like couzens. in terms of vetting, we haveissued couzens. in terms of vetting, we have issued a code of practice, which chief constables must have due regard to. that makes it very clear, no vetting, nojob. and regard to. that makes it very clear, no vetting, no job. and forces like metropolitan police under mark rowley�*s leadership are actually bringing that to life. we are currently consulting on the 10th of february, on the authorised practice vetting. that makes it very clear what the rule book is. there are over 90 changes which recognise that we need to change that, but actually having a code of practice, having a rule book is still not good enough, which is why the college of policing responsible for setting the standards and ensuring the consistency, is determined to license every police force vetting unit. if that force vetting unit does not reach its licensed standards, then won't be doing any vetting. we have already started
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this work so please don't think that i am saying that we have got this, we have done it, but we are doing everything in our power to ensure that this does not happen again. the thank you. that this does not happen again. the thank ou. . ~ that this does not happen again. the thank ou. . ,, i. . ,, that this does not happen again. the thank ou. . ,, . ,, ., thank you. thank you. thank you for answerin: thank you. thank you. thank you for answering the _ thank you. thank you. thank you for answering the detail _ thank you. thank you. thank you for answering the detail of _ thank you. thank you. thank you for answering the detail of that, - thank you. thank you. thank you for answering the detail of that, i - answering the detail of that, i should — answering the detail of that, i should say, there was nothing that we could _ should say, there was nothing that we could say to the family of sarah everard. _ we could say to the family of sarah everard. all— we could say to the family of sarah everard, all those who love to, that would _ everard, all those who love to, that would convey how deeply sorry we are. would convey how deeply sorry we are wayne — would convey how deeply sorry we are. wayne couzens' crimes were horrific— are. wayne couzens' crimes were horrific and — are. wayne couzens' crimes were horrific and he should not have been a police _ horrific and he should not have been a police officer in a position to abuse — a police officer in a position to abuse that rank. to a police officer in a position to abuse that rank.— a police officer in a position to abuse that rank. to commit those crimes. abuse that rank. to commit those crimes- we _ abuse that rank. to commit those crimes. we are _ abuse that rank. to commit those crimes. we are relentlessly, - crimes. we are relentlessly, step—by—step, improving our approach. and i knowl step—by—step, improving our approach. and i know i have the support of the vast majority of men and women in the vet or met, policing, widely, to make the improvements that we need more widely. —— the met. it lays bare a very low base that we are starting
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from, and so whilst those improvements have started, we have a long way to go, to build the high degree of resilience and strength to reduce an absolute —— to reduce an absolute minimum threat of somebody so horrific in policing. hi. i absolute minimum threat of somebody so horrific in policing.— so horrific in policing. hi, i 'ust wanted to fl so horrific in policing. hi, i 'ust wanted to ask, i so horrific in policing. hi, i 'ust wanted to ask, things i so horrific in policing. hi, ijust wanted to ask, things could . so horrific in policing. hi, ijust - wanted to ask, things could be very different— wanted to ask, things could be very different today, if police officers in different towns had done their 'ob. in different towns had done their iob~ do _ in different towns had done their job. do you concede that if police officers _ job. do you concede that if police officers could done that i could have _ officers could done that i could have done the job?— officers could done that i could have done the job? have done the “ob? elish angiolini in the report. — have done the job? elish angiolini in the report, makes _ have done the job? elish angiolini in the report, makes clear - have done the job? elish angiolini in the report, makes clear what i l in the report, makes clear what i call a catalogue of missed opportunities, errors, information, not corrected —— not connected, sorry, and clearly, within that, there are opportunities to intervene and put a stop to couzens's attitude
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early on in his career. as i said earlier, he should never have been a police officer in the first place. none of us could predict whether somebody of such depravity would go on to harm someone else in society, but what we can say is that he would not have been a police officer had that been done properly, at the time that been done properly, at the time that he committed the horrific abduction, rape, murder of sarah everard. ,, , ., ., everard. question for the commissioner, _ everard. question for the commissioner, and - everard. question for the commissioner, and the i everard. question for the - commissioner, and the chair, if anyone — commissioner, and the chair, if anyone else _ commissioner, and the chair, if anyone else also _ commissioner, and the chair, if anyone else also was _ commissioner, and the chair, if anyone else also was to - commissioner, and the chair, if anyone else also was to come l commissioner, and the chair, if. anyone else also was to come in. given— anyone else also was to come in. given all— anyone else also was to come in. given all of— anyone else also was to come in. given all of this, _ anyone else also was to come in. given all of this, do _ anyone else also was to come in. given all of this, do not - anyone else also was to come in. given all of this, do not accept i given all of this, do not accept that— given all of this, do not accept that policing _ given all of this, do not accept that policing is— given all of this, do not accept that policing is cottage - given all of this, do not accept that policing is cottage usuallyj that policing is cottage usually much — that policing is cottage usually much on? _ that policing is cottage usually much on? -- _ that policing is cottage usually much on? —— is— that policing is cottage usually much on? —— is institutionallyi much on? —— is institutionally misogynistic? _ much on? —— is institutionally misogynistic? to _ much on? —— is institutionally misogynistic? to turn - much on? —— is institutionally misogynistic? to turn a - much on? —— is institutionally misogynistic? to turn a blind | much on? —— is institutionally. misogynistic? to turn a blind eye much on? —— is institutionally- misogynistic? to turn a blind eye to behaving _ misogynistic? to turn a blind eye to behaving like — misogynistic? to turn a blind eye to behaving like this? _ misogynistic? to turn a blind eye to behaving like this? i— misogynistic? to turn a blind eye to behaving like this?—
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behaving like this? i would use the lanauuae behaving like this? i would use the language that _ behaving like this? i would use the language that elish _ behaving like this? i would use the language that elish angiolini - behaving like this? i would use the language that elish angiolini uses l language that elish angiolini uses in her report, about the police services that a police service needs are very clear determination to be anti—misogynistic, antiracist, anti—discrimination ore. we have made that commitment, we are working towards it. —— and it is common eatery. towards it. -- and it is common eate . . . . . eatery. can you guarantee that the offices turning _ eatery. can you guarantee that the offices turning a _ eatery. can you guarantee that the offices turning a blind _ eatery. can you guarantee that the offices turning a blind eye - eatery. can you guarantee that the offices turning a blind eye to - eatery. can you guarantee that the offices turning a blind eye to this l offices turning a blind eye to this behaviourm _ offices turning a blind eye to this behaviourm ? _ offices turning a blind eye to this behaviour... ?_ offices turning a blind eye to this behaviour... ?— behaviour... ? one of the things that are covered _ behaviour... ? one of the things that are covered in _ behaviour... ? one of the things that are covered in the _ behaviour... ? one of the things that are covered in the report i behaviour... ? one of the things. that are covered in the report was how wayne couzens was very careful to disguise and hide his corrupt and criminal views and behaviours. most offices and the report is very clear offices and the report is very clear of the link, what we have to be better at doing is identifying those subsets, those toxic groups, like the whatsapp group he was a part of,
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offices across the met and... we have to find a way to find groups that identify them and take them out of the organisation. we will be relentless about this. i need to reassure women and children in a london that we really get this, this has shaken, absolutely shaking your confidence in us, we understand that, and we are not going to take stock, step—by—step fork mount a week are completely set on the issue. i week are completely set on the issue. . . week are completely set on the issue. , . ., . issue. i 'ust want to add something to issue. ijust want to add something to that, issue. ijust want to add something to that. with _ issue. ijust want to add something to that, with regards _ issue. ijust want to add something to that, with regards to _ issue. ijust want to add something to that, with regards to my - issue. i just want to add something | to that, with regards to my national league. _ to that, with regards to my national league. a _ to that, with regards to my national league, a visit forces regularly all the time, — league, a visit forces regularly all the time, and what i have seen is more _ the time, and what i have seen is more and — the time, and what i have seen is more and more particularly female police _ more and more particularly female police officers come forward to say that they _ police officers come forward to say that they feel confident in speaking out, they— that they feel confident in speaking out, they feel confident in reporting everything from a poor behaviour— reporting everything from a poor behaviour to commonality. we have seen that— behaviour to commonality. we have seen that in— behaviour to commonality. we have seen that in the numbers in our perspective, and our departments,
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but i perspective, and our departments, but i have — perspective, and our departments, but i have that conduct may have seen _ but i have that conduct may have seen that — but i have that conduct may have seen that difference over the last couple _ seen that difference over the last couple of — seen that difference over the last couple of years. —— criminality. which — couple of years. —— criminality. which takes _ couple of years. —— criminality. which takes you back to the importance of the work that we are doing _ importance of the work that we are doing to _ importance of the work that we are doing to notjust importance of the work that we are doing to not just tackle the crime attacks, — doing to not just tackle the crime attacks, but also the culture. doing to notjust tackle the crime attacks, but also the culture. thank ou. ve attacks, but also the culture. thank you- very quick _ attacks, but also the culture. thank you. very quick additional - attacks, but also the culture. thank| you. very quick additional response, the college. — you. very quick additional response, the college. is _ you. very quick additional response, the college, is setting _ you. very quick additional response, the college, is setting the _ you. very quick additional response, the college, is setting the standard. the college, is setting the standard in ensuring consistency, as well as the evidence base of what works within policing. the research on the evidence base of why people don't call out misogynistic or racist or otherwise prejudicial behaviour relates to a number of barriers, but one of them is a lack of confidence that they will be taken seriously and that anything would be done. we have designed nine different interventions which are about to be piloted across policing. at the same time, we are delivering, both online and in classrooms, through forces, let's call it up standard training, to actually give police officers and staff the confidence and tools to
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practice such behaviour. i'm not saying that this is going to sort the problem out or sorted out quickly, but when i am saying is this is going to darts up to the problem out. i believe that a growing and continuing strain of practice is being brought to the attention of the media, with an heavily strong hearing some of that contact is reported, called out, and that should have give us some encouragement that people are beginning to be eradicated from our police service. beginning to be eradicated from our police service-— beginning to be eradicated from our police service._ i - beginning to be eradicated from our police service._ i think - police service. inaudible. ithink we have covered _ police service. inaudible. ithink we have covered that. _ police service. inaudible. ithink we have covered that. just - police service. inaudible. ithink we have covered that. just a - we have covered that. just a question _ we have covered that. just a question to _ we have covered that. just a question to the _ we have covered that. just a question to the constable i we have covered that. just a l question to the constable and we have covered that. just a - question to the constable and so mark— question to the constable and so mark rowley. _ question to the constable and so mark rowley, about _ question to the constable and so mark rowley, about the - question to the constable and so mark rowley, about the vetting i mark rowley, about the vetting process, — mark rowley, about the vetting process, this _ mark rowley, about the vetting process, this report— mark rowley, about the vetting process, this report says - mark rowley, about the vetting process, this report says the i process, this report says the recommendations— process, this report says the recommendations is- process, this report says the recommendations is not- process, this report says the recommendations is not to l process, this report says the i recommendations is not to give process, this report says the - recommendations is not to give them vetting _ recommendations is not to give them vetting why— recommendations is not to give them vetting why did _ recommendations is not to give them vetting why did he _ recommendations is not to give them vetting. why did he then— recommendations is not to give them vetting. why did he then get- recommendations is not to give them vetting. why did he then get through| vetting. why did he then get through to cnc? _ vetting. why did he then get through to cnc? and — vetting. why did he then get through to cnc? and wide _
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vetting. why did he then get through to cnc? and wide he _ vetting. why did he then get through to cnc? and wide he not get- vetting. why did he then get through to cnc? and wide he not get a - vetting. why did he then get through| to cnc? and wide he not get a second vetting? _ to cnc? and wide he not get a second vetting? l— to cnc? and wide he not get a second vettin: ? . ., to cnc? and wide he not get a second vettin: ? , . _ to cnc? and wide he not get a second vettinl? , vetting? i will start by accepting that wayne _ vetting? i will start by accepting that wayne couzens _ vetting? i will start by accepting that wayne couzens should - vetting? i will start by accepting that wayne couzens should not| vetting? i will start by accepting - that wayne couzens should not have beenin that wayne couzens should not have been in the police service, and this constabulary can only unreservedly apologise for the fact that this man became a police officer. at the end of the day, he had an individual voluntary agreement, which is in relation to debt. we were advised not to come out that we shouldn't recruit him with that debt, and i think the fact of the matter is that 15 years ago, when he was feted, there was an overreliance on something called national security vetting. that vetting goes into a great deal of detail in regards to somebody�*s finances, the decisions made at the time was clearly thought that that would make a clearance will guzzling his finances. that is not the case, and he was recruited, for which we are sorry. —— with regard to his finances. he should never have been recruited. this very
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owerful never have been recruited. this very powerful report _ never have been recruited. this very powerful report shows _ never have been recruited. this very powerful report shows a _ never have been recruited. this very powerful report shows a multiple . never have been recruited. this very powerful report shows a multiple of| powerful report shows a multiple of failings _ powerful report shows a multiple of failings across several courses, including — failings across several courses, including failures in the mitch wallis— including failures in the mitch wallis and police. we have made many changes, _ wallis and police. we have made many changes, for— wallis and police. we have made many changes, for example, and with offices — changes, for example, and with offices on — changes, for example, and with offices on a transferring. —— metropolitan police. —— offices. we have _ metropolitan police. —— offices. we have change that training and we have _ have change that training and we have taken our vetting, since 2021, we feel— have taken our vetting, since 2021, we feel that the vetting stage 3000 new entrants. we have nearly doubled the failure _ new entrants. we have nearly doubled the failure rate for offices, prospective officers looking to join _ prospective officers looking to join we — prospective officers looking to join. we have brought this issue is up. join. we have brought this issue is up as— join. we have brought this issue is up as i_ join. we have brought this issue is up. as i say. — join. we have brought this issue is up. as i say, though, what this report— up. as i say, though, what this report does, is it paints a deeply
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disturbing — report does, is it paints a deeply disturbing picture and starting from an astonishingly low base. that is what _ an astonishingly low base. that is what we _ an astonishingly low base. that is what we are moving on from. we have made _ what we are moving on from. we have made progress, i'm not going to sit here and _ made progress, i'm not going to sit here and spout numbers and give a false _ here and spout numbers and give a false impression that we nearly at the finishing line. this is a massive _ the finishing line. this is a massive piece of work to do. think what _ massive piece of work to do. think what elish — massive piece of work to do. think what elish angiolini has done really well is _ what elish angiolini has done really well is layout, this is what the gold _ well is layout, this is what the gold standard looks like, this is what _ gold standard looks like, this is what we — gold standard looks like, this is what we should aim for, and we will collectively — what we should aim for, and we will collectively work on what it takes for policing to get there as quickly as is practically possible. ijust as is practically possible. i 'ust wanted to fl as is practically possible. i 'ust wanted to add i as is practically possible. i 'ust wanted to add to, i as is practically possible. i 'ust wanted to add to, and i as is practically possible. i 'ust wanted to add to, and i h as is practically possible. iidlftii wanted to add to, and i absolutely agree with the commissioner. i think it is important to recognise as well that her majesty's inspectorate did carry out an inspectorate to all police forces in regards to vetting and made 43 recommendations. i can point to good progress against the recommendations, but don't want to be complacent, and don't want to claim that we have a long way to go, but that progress has been made. we
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have been subject to some very intense criticism from the inspectorate. is intense criticism from the inspectorate.— intense criticism from the inspectorate. intense criticism from the ins-ectorate. , , ..,, inspectorate. is it still the case that the applicant _ inspectorate. is it still the case that the applicant with - inspectorate. is it still the case that the applicant with a - inspectorate. is it still the case - that the applicant with a delegation had got _ that the applicant with a delegation had got past — that the applicant with a delegation had got past vetting? _ that the applicant with a delegation had got past vetting? the- that the applicant with a delegation had got past vetting? the authorised trofessional had got past vetting? the authorised professional practice _ had got past vetting? the authorised professional practice is _ had got past vetting? the authorised professional practice is out _ had got past vetting? the authorised professional practice is out for - professional practice is out for consultation at the moment, that makes it very clear that anyone with a conviction for a sex offender would be barred from policing. the couege would be barred from policing. the college for policing also holds a hard list, meaning that once you are barred from policing, you state barred. —— stay barred. it would be incredibly unlikely, all of the officers would say that they should not pass their vetting.—
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not pass their vetting. inaudible. barred elish _ not pass their vetting. inaudible. barred elish angiolini - not pass their vetting. inaudible. barred elish angiolini said - not pass their vetting. inaudible. l barred elish angiolini said that not pass their vetting. inaudible. - barred elish angiolini said that the metropolitan inquiry in 2022, that wayne couzens would still have been recruited if provided with the same information, as they had at the time. has that changed now? and how can the police be taken seriously there is still the case, that he still would have been taken into the metropolitan police? i still would have been taken into the metropolitan police?— metropolitan police? i agree with elish angiolini's _ metropolitan police? i agree with elish angiolini's statements - metropolitan police? i agree with elish angiolini's statements that l metropolitan police? i agree with | elish angiolini's statements that it was an astonishing idea that was put to her, in early 2022, that the vetting team was correct. that is not my team as view now, and might view has been expressed to elish angiolini in the run—up to this report. clearly, there was an absence of professional curiosity, determination, with that information
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that was on the police national database about that unresolved allegation. he should not have been through the doors of the police service. further inquiries should have led to him not succeeding the vetting. have led to him not succeeding the vettint. ,., ., have led to him not succeeding the vettint. ., . , vetting. reporting to the telegraph. given what the _ vetting. reporting to the telegraph. given what the report _ vetting. reporting to the telegraph. given what the report has _ given what the report has identified, _ given what the report has identified, what— given what the report has identified, what we - given what the report has identified, what we knowl given what the report has - identified, what we know about the failings _ identified, what we know about the failings in _ identified, what we know about the failings in the — identified, what we know about the failings in the past _ identified, what we know about the failings in the past years, - identified, what we know about the failings in the past years, what - identified, what we know about the failings in the past years, what has| failings in the past years, what has been _ failings in the past years, what has been done — failings in the past years, what has been done to— failings in the past years, what has been done to their— failings in the past years, what has been done to their offices - failings in the past years, what has been done to their offices again? l failings in the past years, what has been done to their offices again? i| been done to their offices again? i can been done to their offices again? can pick up in response to that... we talk again on the work of the couege we talk again on the work of the college of policing has been doing. simon also mentioned our inspectorate made a series of investigations of vetting, that our national chief constable has been driving the work on the reaction, i
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was in a conference call with her earlier today. still, the publication. what our tracking of rosebud recommendation shows a strong response across forces, —— those regulations. a vast majority of the regulations have been completed, some still need to be done, regarding continuous integrity screenings, so we did speak a few weeks ago of the work that the chief of merseyside lead on checking all of merseyside lead on checking all of our human resource records, over 300,000 records of people that work in policing, against something like 6 million lines of data on the police national database. those police national data base. those additional checks police national database. those additional checks are an additional check to make sure there is no place to hide. elish angiolini's reports today makes some additional recommendations, and the commissioner called them a gold standard, for example, the idea of random vetting checks, all of these things we want to look at very closely and understand how they can strengthen their existing
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procedures. andy? the strengthen their existing procedures. andy? strengthen their existing trocedures. and ? . . procedures. andy? the new guidance does include — procedures. andy? the new guidance does include detail _ procedures. andy? the new guidance does include detail on _ procedures. andy? the new guidance does include detail on annual- does include detail on annual integrity— does include detail on annual integrity testing, and on what events — integrity testing, and on what events should trigger a re—vetting. too nrany— events should trigger a re—vetting. too many for me to go on, but you can see _ too many for me to go on, but you can see the — too many for me to go on, but you can see the conversation online. tightening — can see the conversation online. tightening up vetting, which were determined to do, alone, we solve this problem. we need to see a change — this problem. we need to see a change in — this problem. we need to see a change in culture in policing. 0ne change in culture in policing. one of the _ change in culture in policing. one of the changes in culture will be to call out _ of the changes in culture will be to call out the — of the changes in culture will be to call out the culture. to embolden and empower everyone, whatever their rank and _ and empower everyone, whatever their rank and position, to say, not that behaviour. — rank and position, to say, not that behaviour, not in this police force, not now _ behaviour, not in this police force, not now we — behaviour, not in this police force, not now. i've already said, we are already— not now. i've already said, we are already rolling out training in respect — already rolling out training in respect of that, but actually what is the _ respect of that, but actually what is the difference between worst day and a _ is the difference between worst day and a better day in policing, it comes— and a better day in policing, it comes down to leadership. everyone in policing _ comes down to leadership. everyone in policing as a leader, from a new constable, — in policing as a leader, from a new constable, and are invited to take command — constable, and are invited to take command of a challenging situation, and maybe _ command of a challenging situation, and maybe someone else who needs to
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call out _ and maybe someone else who needs to call out the _ and maybe someone else who needs to call out the behaviour. that is happening regularly. we are developing leadership at every level. — developing leadership at every level, five levels of leadership, with standards, ethics, integrity, the new— with standards, ethics, integrity, the new code of ethics into all of it. the new code of ethics into all of it we _ the new code of ethics into all of it we also — the new code of ethics into all of it. we also strengthening the misconduct and proceedings. i speak of the _ misconduct and proceedings. i speak of the authority a chief officer that has— of the authority a chief officer that has sat on misconduct —— misconduct _ that has sat on misconduct —— misconduct hearings for 17 years. i have _ misconduct hearings for17 years. i have never— misconduct hearings for 17 years. i have never failed to dismiss an officer— have never failed to dismiss an officer that has been found to commit — officer that has been found to commit it— officer that has been found to commit it to —— to have committed gross _ commit it to —— to have committed gross misconduct. we have already tightened _ gross misconduct. we have already tightened up the misconduct outcome guidance, _ tightened up the misconduct outcome guidance, to put a keen emphasis on people _ guidance, to put a keen emphasis on people who _ guidance, to put a keen emphasis on people who express any violent or inappropriate behaviour to william -- women, — inappropriate behaviour to william —— women, they really have no place in policing _ —— women, they really have no place in policing. there are other changes in policing. there are other changes in the _ in policing. there are other changes in the pipeline about how those misconduct hearings should be chaired — misconduct hearings should be chaired and overseen, should chief officers _ chaired and overseen, should chief officers have responsibility for those — officers have responsibility for those panels in the future, the college — those panels in the future, the college of policing will immediately develop _ college of policing will immediately develop and deliver training for them, — develop and deliver training for them, including guidance around violence — them, including guidance around violence on women and girls. again,
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i violence on women and girls. again, i say. _ violence on women and girls. again, i say. we _ violence on women and girls. again, i say, we have not solved that problem — i say, we have not solved that problem out, entirely, because it takes— problem out, entirely, because it takes years to change culture, but i hope _ takes years to change culture, but i hope i_ takes years to change culture, but i hope i have — takes years to change culture, but i hope i have made the point to you that this _ hope i have made the point to you that this is — hope i have made the point to you that this is not about vetting alone, — that this is not about vetting alone, important as it is, this is about— alone, important as it is, this is about lots— alone, important as it is, this is about lots and lots of work to change — about lots and lots of work to change and improve the professionalism of policing. | change and improve the professionalism of policing. i hope women and _ professionalism of policing. i hope women and children _ professionalism of policing. i hope women and children can _ professionalism of policing. i hope women and children can be - professionalism of policing. i hope - women and children can be reassured, who shaken, bite determination, and thatis who shaken, bite determination, and that is looking forward, and looking backwards. looking forward, i have been proud of a good majority of my officers, and those coming forward, tackling this issue, these issues, removing officers causing problems, but also, we launched a reporting —— reporting crime, which showed that accommodation is like and that has generated an increase in report for the next term as well. in line with that, when you look at places like
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this, like you have reported, the deep failures in our systems, within the met and across policing, point to us needing to look back as well and look for those mistakes. the police work in terms of the national database checks, and that was spoken about, are critically important, and we have also been reviewing some historic sexual allegations against police officers, and we are looking at step by step, multiple pieces of review work, everyone is turning up places of mystery work we are doing tougher, where we should have been tougher. as i said at the start, from a low base, lady elish angiolini, suggest we work forward towards that. and this is what the country deserves.—
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couzens was couzens was accused couzens was accused of other sexual misconduct~~~ — couzens was accused of other sexual misconduct- - -_ misconduct... everything else was ticked misconduct. .. everything else was ticked u- misconduct... everything else was picked up by _ misconduct... everything else was picked up by eight _ misconduct. .. everything else was picked up by eight sexual- misconduct... everything else was i picked up by eight sexual misconduct teams, that put couzens in present, that has been gone through as seriously as possible, and everything else where the evidence was there, they have been prosecuted. we have not ruled out the possibility that there are other wayne couzens' out there. anyone else who wants to come forward with further allegations will be supported and taken seriously, as you would expect. in supported and taken seriously, as you would expect.— you would expect. in the future, other further _ you would expect. in the future, other further investigations - you would expect. in the future, | other further investigations going on ~~ _ other further investigations going on ~~ ? _ other further investigations going on... ? . , �* other further investigations going on- -- ?_ the - other further investigations going on... ?_ the ones - other further investigations going on... ?_ the ones in l other further investigations going - on... ?_ the ones in elish on... ? inaudible. the ones in elish antiolini's on... ? inaudible. the ones in elish angiolini's reports, _ on... ? inaudible. the ones in elish angiolini's reports, are _ on... ? inaudible. the ones in elish angiolini's reports, are the _ on... ? inaudible. the ones in elish angiolini's reports, are the ones - angiolini's reports, are the ones that have really been dealt with.
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thank you. that have really been dealt with. thank you-— that have really been dealt with. thank you. that have really been dealt with. thank ou. , ~ ., , , thank you. elish angiolini picked up on a white tape. — thank you. elish angiolini picked up on a white tape, the _ thank you. elish angiolini picked up on a white tape, the indecent - on a white tape, the indecent ekposurei _ on a white tape, the indecent exposure, taking it seriously... ? to accept— exposure, taking it seriously... ? to accept -- _ exposure, taking it seriously... ? to accept —— do you accept... ? inaudible — to accept —— do you accept... ? inaudible l— to accept -- do you accept. .. ? lnaudlble-— to accept -- do you accept... ? inaudible. i will take that one. i think we absolutely _ inaudible. i will take that one. i think we absolutely accept - inaudible. i will take that one. i think we absolutely accept elish i think we absolutely accept elish angiolini's point is that indecent exposure must be taken seriously, and the work that we have done, i described earlier in evidence—based, and how we deal with sexual offences, with rape, includes how we deal with indecent exposure. we are working on like looking at recommendations from a elish angiolini this morning, we know that the training and the guidance that
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were telling that we are already building on for rape and sexual offences, can only be made to make that report, take it seriously. i'm confident that it is a changing way in which we deal with these types of crime. there is a significant shift for us, in terms of how policing is dealing with these crimes. inaudible. if dealing with these crimes. inaudible.— dealing with these crimes. inaudible. i. ., inaudible. if you look at the turnint inaudible. if you look at the turning point. _ inaudible. if you look at the turning point, looking - inaudible. if you look at the turning point, looking back. inaudible. if you look at the j turning point, looking back at inaudible. if you look at the - turning point, looking back at the turning point, looking back at the turning point, looking back at the turning point, watershed, if you look back at policing, in the last decade, 20 years, the way in which some offences have been seen, have been treated with less serious, that is not the case now.— is not the case now. overlapping questions- _ is not the case now. overlapping questions- l— is not the case now. overlapping oussnons. i think _ is not the case now. overlapping oussnons. i think we _ is not the case now. overlapping oussnons. i think we still- is not the case now. overlapping oussnons. i think we still have i is not the case now. overlapping oussnons. i think we still have a| questions. i think we still have a wa to to. questions. i think we still have a way to go- and — questions. i think we still have a
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way to go. and the _ questions. i think we still have a way to go. and the issue - questions. i think we still have a way to go. and the issue of - oussnons. i think we still have a| way to go. and the issue of issuing further training will be the way to go. i further training will be the way to to. ~' further training will be the way to to, ~' ., , further training will be the way to go. i think it adds that, three ears go. i think it adds that, three years ago. — go. i think it adds that, three years ago, indecent - go. i think it adds that, three j years ago, indecent exposure go. i think it adds that, three - years ago, indecent exposure was not treated _ years ago, indecent exposure was not treated as _ years ago, indecent exposure was not treated as seriously as it should be, and — treated as seriously as it should be, and i'm _ treated as seriously as it should be, and i'm not giving a guarantee here— be, and i'm not giving a guarantee here today— be, and i'm not giving a guarantee here today that we are where we want to be yet. _ here today that we are where we want to be yet, but they can and a justice — to be yet, but they can and a justice system, i make a broader point _ justice system, i make a broader point now. — justice system, i make a broader point now, treat indecent exposure, as i point now, treat indecent exposure, as i say. _ point now, treat indecent exposure, as i say. six— point now, treat indecent exposure, as i say, six months maximum summary offence. _ as i say, six months maximum summary offence. or— as i say, six months maximum summary offence. ora— as i say, six months maximum summary offence, or a two—year on indictment offence _ offence, or a two—year on indictment offence i_ offence, or a two—year on indictment offence. i don't think the colour justice — offence. i don't think the colour justice system takes it seriously enough — justice system takes it seriously enough i— justice system takes it seriously enough. i undertook for elish angiolini, _ enough. i undertook for elish angiolini, to conduct some more research, — angiolini, to conduct some more research, rapid evidence review, of what _ research, rapid evidence review, of what do— research, rapid evidence review, of what do you — research, rapid evidence review, of what do you know about indecent exposure? —— criminaljustice exposure? —— criminal justice system — exposure? —— criminaljustice system. there is an inadequate database — system. there is an inadequate database on indecent exposure. the unpublished, as we know yet, we cannot— unpublished, as we know yet, we cannot fully rely on this, we have found _ cannot fully rely on this, we have found unpublished research that shows _ found unpublished research that shows that men who conduct indecent exposure _ shows that men who conduct indecent exposure are between 5—10% likely to
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commit _ exposure are between 5—10% likely to commit further contact sexual offence — commit further contact sexual offence within 3—5 years. whether that is— offence within 3—5 years. whether that is published or unpublished, that is published or unpublished, that rings— that is published or unpublished, that rings alarm bells for me. i am determined, following this report, and the _ determined, following this report, and the commitment i make too elish angiolini _ and the commitment i make too elish angiolini to _ and the commitment i make too elish angiolini to review our investigations, guidance, to make throughput a final focus on this, but let— throughput a final focus on this, but let me — throughput a final focus on this, but let me say one more thing about the investigations, the service is not where — the investigations, the service is not where it wants to be, where it needs _ not where it wants to be, where it needs be, — not where it wants to be, where it needs be, without the capacity distracted with the capacity to investigate all crimes. the new authorised professional practice, we are all— authorised professional practice, we are all reasonable lines of inquiry should _ are all reasonable lines of inquiry should be — are all reasonable lines of inquiry should be followed up, but these offences — should be followed up, but these offences that we talk about this from _ offences that we talk about this from three years or more ago, i understand _ from three years or more ago, i understand of cctv, they should have been followed up. the car should have _ been followed up. the car should have been— been followed up. the car should have been checked. the suspect should _ have been checked. the suspect should have been spoken to. coming back to _ should have been spoken to. coming back to what my colleague said in testament, had we known that the suspect— testament, had we known that the suspect was a serving police officer. _ suspect was a serving police officer, he would not have been a serving _ officer, he would not have been a serving police officer any more, so we would — serving police officer any more, so we would not had the duty as a
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police — we would not had the duty as a police officer, —— he would not have had the _ police officer, —— he would not have had the opportunity, as a police officer. — had the opportunity, as a police officer. to — had the opportunity, as a police officer, to commit a crime. we are under— officer, to commit a crime. we are under no _ officer, to commit a crime. we are under no illusion, of the work we need _ under no illusion, of the work we need to— under no illusion, of the work we need to do. — under no illusion, of the work we need to do, but we are determined, make _ need to do, but we are determined, make no— need to do, but we are determined, make no mistake, and we have started — make no mistake, and we have started. we started two years ago. one more — started. we started two years ago. one more question. just following up on that, _ one more question. just following up on that, can — one more question. just following up on that, can i — 0ne more question. just following up on that, can hust— one more question. just following up on that, can ijust ask _ one more question. just following up on that, can ijust ask of _ one more question. just following up on that, can ijust ask of the - on that, can ijust ask of the officer— on that, can ijust ask of the officer involved _ on that, can ijust ask of the officer involved that - on that, can ijust ask of the officer involved that you - on that, can ijust ask of the officer involved that you just described,... _ officer involved that you 'ust described, . . .i officer involved that you 'ust described, . .. i described,... labour inaudible. i don't know- _ described,... labour inaudible. i don't know. that _ described,... labour inaudible. i don't know. that concludes - described,... labour inaudible. i i don't know. that concludes today's meetint. meeting. studio: you were just watching the reaction to the independent report that found that three police forces should have stopped wayne couzens, and they also could have stopped him, to stop him murdering sarah everard. there were red flags that were picked up. that was an inquiry, and mark rowley was reacting, the met police commissioner, saying that it peaks a very powerful picture of
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failures across many forces, and he stressed that they have changed their training, they have got tougher on the vetting. it's crossed tougher on the vetting. it's crossed to sam harrison, who was following this. the police are very keen to acknowledge the severity of the problems, but also point to the fact that they have made progress. that is right. i think, from that, with the na pcc, it is clear that there is a willingness across the police forces, to take on some of these recommendations and reports. 16 have been made in total. —— npcc. i think they can be broadly pasted into three separate categories, firstly, allegations around the vetting and recruitment, the applicant... any applicant who is trying to get into the police force, this report says would be subject to an in—person interview or home visit. they have also talked about allegations of indecent exposure. wayne couzens also was reported on
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for these allegations and in six separate occasions. the report also says that more needs to be done to try and tackle toxic behaviour, simply cast aside as banter, within the police force. in order to do this, a more positive culture needs to be adopted, across the country. the idea is, from the npcc to think about all of these changes, that are vital, they are all vital, according to reports. it is not up to organisations like the npcc to and implement them. sam organisations like the npcc to and implement them.— organisations like the npcc to and im-lement them. . . ,, implement them. sam harrison, thank ou ve implement them. sam harrison, thank you very much — implement them. sam harrison, thank you very much indeed. _ implement them. sam harrison, thank you very much indeed. some - implement them. sam harrison, thank you very much indeed. some of - implement them. sam harrison, thank you very much indeed. some of the . you very much indeed. some of the reaction, before we go. we had earlierfrom andrea reaction, before we go. we had earlier from andrea simon, reaction, before we go. we had earlierfrom andrea simon, director of the end of violence women coalition. she called on the government and the police to take urgent action to address the recurrent —— inquiry�*s findings. we also heard from gavin stephens in a news conference just now. ijust wanted to apologise, for the audio, during that news conference and during that news conference and during the sam harris and's live reports just now. there was an apology and he said, i apologise,
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this is gavin stephens's words, apologies to any woman or girl who has fallen victim to abuse from a police officer. this is a glowing red signal to all police officers and this report makes clear we have much more to do. we collectively will not stop until the public, especially women and girls, get the policing they deserve, and confidence in our role, as protectors is rebuilt. that was —— deputy chief maggie blyth described this as a watershed moment. stay with us here on bbc news. live from london. this is bbc news. palestinian officials say more than a hundred people were killed by israeli forces as they waited for aid in northern gaza — the israelis blame the deaths on a crush. more than 30,000 palestinians have been killed in gaza according to the hamas health ministry. we have been
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examining the death toll as israel faces mounting pressure over the scale of civilian deaths. sarah everard — murdered by a man who should never have been a police officer. an inquiry highlights the red flags that were missed. we look at the debate on assisted dying in the uk , as the implications of possible new laws are considered. hello, welcome to verified live. more than 100 palestinians have been killed while waiting for food aid in gaza city. these are images from that attack in the south west of the city. a large number of people were gathered waiting for food aid when the incident happened — a journalist told the bbc that israeli tanks opened fire on the crowd. the israeli military issued these aerial pictures of the incident. it says dozens of gazans were �*crushed and trampled' as they surrounded the aid trucks.

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