russian authorities say that two people were killed by ukrainian shelling in the city of belgrade near the border with ukraine. shops and schools were closed and authorities reported shelling at a voting station in a russian occupied part of ukraine. the electoral

commission said there have been 20 incidents so far are people targeting ballot boxes and protest could continue on sunday with supporters of the late opposition figure alexei navalny calling on people throughout russia to protest against president putin. in the estonian town where many residents are russian, people cross the border to vote in the presidential election. it is one of only a handful of places where the border between the eu and russia still open. here in the estonian border town lies the frontier between the western world and russia. across the russia with its formidable forgers lies a town 140 kilometres away from st petersburg and it is at one of a handful of places where the border between the eu and russia still open. in this place and the surrounding region thousands of people are in fact russian citizens. this is the

legacy of the soviet union break—up. in the 19605 and 705 people were brought from the soviet union to work in local industries and after the collapse of the soviet union they failed to get citizenship. thi5 they failed to get citizenship. this is a source of bitter arguments between the residents in the 5toning authorities but the fact is these people have applied and got russian passport5 people have applied and got russian passports and this means they can go and vote in the presidential elections which are taking place right now. the voting station is just across the bridge. there were not any big queues on this just across the bridge. there were not any big queue5 on this side of the border and we tried to look for people and most people were turning away. they are clearly not willing to talk about this and afraid that if they admit that they had voted it would somehow mean trouble for them. but one woman named anna wa5 would somehow mean trouble for them. but one woman named anna was not afraid to talk. i but one woman named anna was not afraid to talk-— afraid to talk. i voted for putin, he is closer _ afraid to talk. i voted for putin, he is closer to _ afraid to talk. i voted for putin, he is closer to my _ afraid to talk. i voted for putin, he is closer to my viewpoint, i l he is closer to my viewpoint, i understand him. i have no doubts about him. i think every president

should care for his country and his people. i see this in putin. i have a sister there, my husband's brother is there, our relatives are there and a cut as a part is painful. we soke to and a cut as a part is painful. we spoke to several more people who confirmed that they crossed the bridge and voted supporting mr putin. they were choosing their words very carefully. if they say they support mr putin and the war in ukraine it will certainly mean trouble for them here in estonia. their votes didn't matter much for mr putin and his victory is a foregone conclusion. it illustrates a very complex situation that the baltic states are in, nervously watching theirjoint neighbours to the east, russia. and we will have an interview with the prime minister of estonia coming up the prime minister of estonia coming up a little later in our programme. police in haiti are trying to crack down on the gangs which have taken control of most of the capital, port—au—prince, and forced

the prime minister to resign. the united nations has described the security situation as tense and volatile, and warns that increasing numbers of children in haiti are going hungry as unrest continues. facilities have closed due to the ongoing violence, and haitians are now facing soaring prices for food and other essentials. joining me live is our central america and caribbean correspondent, will grant. he's been following the situation from cap—haitien in haiti. very good to have us has once again covering this story. we have heard reports today that police are trying to arrest the leader of the gangs which control most of the capital. what more can you tell us? it appears there was quite an extensive swat team operation in an area of the capital and that is known to be one of the strongholds.

they were trying to either capture or kill him but were successful in neither of those attempts. there were a number of casualties on the side of the gangs but if anything it is getting more violent. we have heard today there is more shooting in the capital and a quite fierce response from the gangs to the operation by the police and that sort of paints a picture of what is going on. it is sort of cat and mouse game is going on in the neighbourhood with the police were obviously outnumbered by the gangs at this stage unless they get serious reinforcements in the coming weeks and months. talk serious reinforcements in the coming weeks and months.— weeks and months. talk to us about the humanitarian _ weeks and months. talk to us about the humanitarian situation - weeks and months. talk to us about the humanitarian situation on - weeks and months. talk to us about the humanitarian situation on the i the humanitarian situation on the ground, the united nations warming of high levels of malnutrition and the potential for starvation, of high levels of malnutrition and the potentialfor starvation, talk to us about the condition of people caught up in all of this. br; to us about the condition of people caught up in all of this.— caught up in all of this. by all accounts _ caught up in all of this. by all accounts it _ caught up in all of this. by all accounts it is _ caught up in all of this. by all accounts it is becoming - caught up in all of this. by all- accounts it is becoming extremely serious here and where we are, the

way it is seen is that there are so many people arriving from the capital which ever way they can. we have seen just now, waiting to come on air and have seen just now, waiting to come on airand speak have seen just now, waiting to come on air and speak to you, a bus coming from port—au—prince and there are very few running because it is so dangerous. it took an extra hour because it had to go out of its way because it had to go out of its way because of the police operation in response by the gangs adding on hours to the journey and it is extremely frightening for those who are on the bus and travelling this way, less frightening to get here and make this journey than it is to remain at home. we have seen more than 360,000 internally displaced people and the aide to deal with the humanitarian emergency is simply not coming in at the pace it should. it is a trickle. as ever, many thanks for your reporting.

estonia has been one of the most vocal supporters of ukraine. those support efforts are led by estonia's prime minister kaja kallas, who is here in washington tojoin us presidentjoe biden for the annual gridiron club dinner. before that, prime minister kallas spoke to my colleague sumi somaskanda about russia's elections, the war in ukraine, and more. prime minister, thank you so much forjoining us here in the studio today. i want to start with the fact that russians are voting in an election that many consider to be neither free nor fair will very likely secure another term for vladimir putin and russia. what does that mean for you and europe? i refuse to call it election. why they are playing this game, calling it an election, this is another question. it is to undermine actually our democracies and election saying that you have elections, we have elections. we know this is not an elections. we know this is not an election butjust an appointment once again for putin. so what does

it really change? in the probably nothing. after the reappointment there is going to be probably some difficult decisions that we are going to see on the russian side, for example the mobilisation, probably also trying to raise taxes or getting some income to fund the war machine because of their budget is in a very poor state and they can't raise capital outside. find is in a very poor state and they can't raise capital outside. and at the same time _ can't raise capital outside. and at the same time vladimir - can't raise capital outside. and at the same time vladimir putin - can't raise capital outside. and at| the same time vladimir putin sees himself as emboldened and if you look at the eu and us approach we have seen more than 16,500 sanctions, 300 billion in assets frozen, but the russian economy has proven to be resilient. this frozen, but the russian economy has proven to be resilient.— proven to be resilient. this is something — proven to be resilient. this is something that _ proven to be resilient. this is something that russia - proven to be resilient. this is something that russia wants | proven to be resilient. this is i something that russia wants us proven to be resilient. this is - something that russia wants us to believe. this is the narrative that they want us to believe, that the sanctions are hurting you about not

hurting us. for example, gas. they have found buyers for only 5% of the gas that they used to sell to the european union. they can't sell the gas outside so they don't have that income or if we take the budget, over 20% of it is in deficit and they can't raise loans outside because of the sanctions. plus we see that the interest rate for the russian central bank, interest rate for the russian economy is 15%. this is how they assess their economy doing. is how they assess their economy doinr. ., ~ is how they assess their economy doin., ., ~' ., is how they assess their economy doinu. . ~' . is how they assess their economy doinr. . ,, ., doing. talk about your country's su ort doing. talk about your country's suraport for— doing. talk about your country's suraport for the _ doing. talk about your country's support for the ukraine, - doing. talk about your country's support for the ukraine, one - doing. talk about your country's support for the ukraine, one of| doing. talk about your country's i support for the ukraine, one of the most vocal supporters. looking at the numbers, estonia recently sent an $88 million package and you have said over the next four years your country will provide military assistance amounting to 0.25% of your gdp, but on the ground the war

seems to have ground to a standstill with russia threatening to push through ukraine's lines. are you worried that is now russia that is on the offensive and perhaps turning the tide in ukraine? the on the offensive and perhaps turning the tide in ukraine?— the tide in ukraine? the question is to ask how much _ the tide in ukraine? the question is to ask how much aid _ the tide in ukraine? the question is to ask how much aid we _ the tide in ukraine? the question is to ask how much aid we provide - the tide in ukraine? the question is to ask how much aid we provide to l to ask how much aid we provide to ukraine so that we can defend themselves. we have made the calculation that have all the countries that are in the coalition, the countries supporting ukraine, could also announce this 0.25% of the gdp military aid for the next four years, we could outweigh russia. if you think about the defence budgets of the ramstein coalitions, their 17 times bigger than russia's heavily inflated one. we saw the meeting between 0laf scholz and president macron, concerns about disunity on their support for ukraine.— concerns about disunity on their support for ukraine. does that worry ou are? support for ukraine. does that worry you are? there _ support for ukraine. does that worry you are? there have _ support for ukraine. does that worry you are? there have been _ support for ukraine. does that worry you are? there have been talks- support for ukraine. does that worry. you are? there have been talks about as not being united but we have been united so far and every country

counts what they can also do, so we have different roles and we have beenin have different roles and we have been in this together. i think what is important is that everyone understands that ukraine must win this war, because otherwise the security architecture of europe but also the world is at stake, because why if aggression pays off somewhere, it serves as an invitation to use it elsewhere. we have seen this already in history before. one question that has been disagreement on this the issue of bits on the ground. the french president has raised it is one of the options on the table in the german chancellor said it won't happen then the americans are also saying it won't happen. at what point would you deem it necessary for estonia to send the books on the ground to ukraine? first for estonia to send the books on the ground to ukraine?— ground to ukraine? first of all i think it is _ ground to ukraine? first of all i think it is something _ ground to ukraine? first of all i think it is something we - ground to ukraine? first of all i think it is something we are - ground to ukraine? first of all i - think it is something we are always doing, that we are trying to guess what russia is doing next, so maybe this is a good situation, let them guess now what we are doing next, so

this ambiguity is actually good, that we discuss these issues, what we are able to do or not. i think we shouldn't rule out any options because if we say very certainly that this is not what we are going to do then russia takes note. 0k, we can push this further. but to do then russia takes note. 0k, we can push this further.— can push this further. but when you think it would _ can push this further. but when you think it would be _ can push this further. but when you think it would be necessary - can push this further. but when you think it would be necessary to - can push this further. but when you think it would be necessary to send| think it would be necessary to send troops? it think it would be necessary to send troos? , ,. ,, ., ., troops? it is under discussion, what kind of help — troops? it is under discussion, what kind of help can _ troops? it is under discussion, what kind of help can we _ troops? it is under discussion, what kind of help can we give? _ troops? it is under discussion, what kind of help can we give? it - troops? it is under discussion, what kind of help can we give? it is - troops? it is under discussion, what kind of help can we give? it is not i kind of help can we give? it is not that we are sending or discussing about ground forces. this is not the issue. the issue is training ukrainian soldiers underground, providing help underground so that they can defend themselves really on they can defend themselves really on the ground. so there are different options but we have to be open to discuss those. you options but we have to be open to discuss those.— options but we have to be open to discuss those. you have also been discussin: discuss those. you have also been discussing in _ discuss those. you have also been discussing in your _ discuss those. you have also been discussing in your country - discuss those. you have also been discussing in your country the - discussing in your country the russian position in europe and in february your country's foreign

intelligence service warned russia is building and expanding its military in anticipation of a confrontation with the west end with nato in the next decade. if you look at what the german defence minister said he said it could happen in the next 5—8 years. what are we talking about? it next 5-8 years. what are we talking about? ., next 5-8 years. what are we talking about? . , , ., ., .,. about? it all depends on how we act in the case — about? it all depends on how we act in the case of _ about? it all depends on how we act in the case of ukraine. _ about? it all depends on how we act in the case of ukraine. if— about? it all depends on how we act in the case of ukraine. if we - about? it all depends on how we act in the case of ukraine. if we are - in the case of ukraine. if we are able to provide ukraine with military assistance so that they are able to push back russia to its borders, we don't have to talk about who is next or what are the next steps. this is the case when we are not able to do our utmost to help ukraine to defend themselves. then we also have to see that they can go further. but we also have to see that they can go further. �* , ., ~' we also have to see that they can go further. �* , ., ~ , ., ., we also have to see that they can go further. �* i. ~ , ., ., i. further. but you think estonia, your country and — further. but you think estonia, your country and nato _ further. but you think estonia, your country and nato countries - further. but you think estonia, your country and nato countries are - country and nato countries are imputing's line of vision? if every next step they — imputing's line of vision? if every next step they have _ imputing's line of vision? if every next step they have been - imputing's line of vision? if every next step they have been bolderl next step they have been bolder because they can, the aggressor is

provoked by weakness. if he thinks that we are weak enough and he can win then he takes of this step so thatis win then he takes of this step so that is very important that we also invest in our defence. estonia is doing over 3% of its gdp and other allies are following. we are boosting the defence industry so that don't even think about as because we are strong enough and you can't win here. this is the signal we want to send.— can't win here. this is the signal we want to send. one of the biggest -la ers in we want to send. one of the biggest players in support _ we want to send. one of the biggest players in support for— we want to send. one of the biggest players in support for ukraine - we want to send. one of the biggest players in support for ukraine as - players in support for ukraine as the us and you no further funding here has been caught up in domestic politics as well. some republicans we have spoken to are sceptical that there is a clear path to victory in ukraine. what is your message to them? , ., . ., ukraine. what is your message to them? ., ukraine. what is your message to them? , . . ., ., them? there is a clear path to victory and — them? there is a clear path to victory and first _ them? there is a clear path to victory and first of— them? there is a clear path to victory and first of all- them? there is a clear path to victory and first of all we - them? there is a clear path to victory and first of all we have | them? there is a clear path to i victory and first of all we have to have victory as a goal, no worries one unless you have a victory as a goal. one unless you have a victory as a coal. ~ ., one unless you have a victory as a oal, . ., ., , ., one unless you have a victory as a roal. ~ ., ., , ., ., one unless you have a victory as a roal. ~ ., ., , ., 4, our goal. what does that look like? our defence ministry _ goal. what does that look like? our defence ministry has _ goal. what does that look like? our defence ministry has done - goal. what does that look like? our defence ministry has done a - goal. what does that look like? our defence ministry has done a long i defence ministry has done a long paper and what does the victory look like. the peace strategy that

president zelensky has come up with has all the elements. accountability, going back to its borders, by russia. all of it that i can't really list here about the point is we have to have a goal to win otherwise it is going to be more difficult for all of us. and coming to the us, if you think back to history then in the 19305 and 405, our economies, europe and america were not so interlinked as we are now. 45 states out of 50, the main export or investment partner is europe. american companies are earning 2.7 times more in europe than they are earning in asia. not talking about china but asia. so if something happens in europe so that

all of europe goes into war, then it definitely has a huge effect on america, like also history has shown. it america, like also history has shown. , ., . ., , ., shown. it is an election year in the us, ou shown. it is an election year in the us. you have _ shown. it is an election year in the us, you have said _ shown. it is an election year in the us, you have said that _ shown. it is an election year in the us, you have said that the - shown. it is an election year in the us, you have said that the answer| shown. it is an election year in the i us, you have said that the answer to donald trump's criticism of nato is to spend more and commit more, also to spend more and commit more, also to the war in ukraine. but you so as well after he hosted the hungarian prime minister viktor aubyn he said in an interview that donald trump wouldn't spend another penny on ukraine if elected. what do you think of that? it ukraine if elected. what do you think of that?— ukraine if elected. what do you think of that? it is concerning, of course. think of that? it is concerning, of course- what _ think of that? it is concerning, of course. what is _ think of that? it is concerning, of course. what is of— think of that? it is concerning, of course. what is of the _ think of that? it is concerning, of course. what is of the plans - think of that? it is concerning, of course. what is of the plans of i think of that? it is concerning, of. course. what is of the plans of the us? i think donald trump wants america to be number one in the world. when the us stops supporting ukraine, then the us lets russia win and then america will not be the first but the second in the world because we are against the powers

like russia, iran, china, north korea. like russia, iran, china, north korea, ., �* “ like russia, iran, china, north korea, ., �* 4' korea. so you don't think you necessarily — korea. so you don't think you necessarily would _ korea. so you don't think you necessarily would follow - korea. so you don't think you i necessarily would follow through korea. so you don't think you - necessarily would follow through on that? i necessarily would follow through on that? ., �* , ., , that? i don't see into his mind. i hoe not that? i don't see into his mind. i hope not because _ that? i don't see into his mind. i hope not because i _ that? i don't see into his mind. i hope not because i have - that? i don't see into his mind. i hope not because i have talked i that? i don't see into his mind. i l hope not because i have talked to representatives on both sides of the aisle and they are very strongly in support freedom that they understand america is also about and this is also a fight for freedom that is going on in ukraine. so that is the essence of the united states as well. i essence of the united states as well. ., ., ., i. ., ., well. i want to ask you one more ruestion well. i want to ask you one more question about _ well. i want to ask you one more question about what _ well. i want to ask you one more question about what the - well. i want to ask you one morel question about what the response could look like from russia. we have heard from vladimir putin. if there is this continued strength of the war in ukraine and if the us and all other countries continue to contribute, he has continued to raise the possibility of a nuclear threat. is that when you take seriously or are worried about? flit

seriously or are worried about? of course we seriously or are worried about? oi course we have to take seriously or are worried about? i>i course we have to take everything seriously what he says. has been threatening with nuclear war for quite some time but it has been only words. he is very good in sowing fear within our societies and relate listing what we are afraid of and giving you the fears you have, you are afraid of nuclear war so i am giving out this kind of signal. and the public reacts, and we can't do that. it is a trap. a trap of deterrence because if we are afraid then we start to deter and that is what putin wants. so we also have to think what putin is afraid of and he is actually afraid of going to war with nato. he doesn't want that. we of course don't want that either. it

is, to understand the messages that he is giving out so that we would be afraid and refrain from the decisions that we would otherwise make. , ., ., ., ., decisions that we would otherwise make. , ., ., ., “ make. very good to have you on bbc news today. — make. very good to have you on bbc news today, thank— make. very good to have you on bbc news today, thank you. _ after five months of war in gaza, pressure is growing inside israel for prime minister benjamin netanyahu to step down. protestors gathered in tel aviv on saturday to demand the return of israeli hostages and the resignation of mr netanyahu and his government.for the third saturday in a row, police used water cannon to disperse demonstrators. it comes just days after chuck schumer, the top democrat in the us senate, as well as the highest—ranking jewish member in the us government, said mr netanyahu had �*lost his way�* and called for new elections in israel.mr schumer found sympathisers in saturday's protests. my my message today, according to what chuck schumer said this week in american parliament about how

benjamin netanyahu is leading us to catastrophe and we must have an election as soon as possible. 0therwise election as soon as possible. otherwise we are all going to be in a bad situation. talks aimed at securing a ceasefire and the release of hostages could resume sunday in qatar. egyptian officials said hamas has presented a new proposal for a three—stage plan to end the fighting. israel's prime minister benjamin netanyahu has called the proposal unrealistic, but agreed to send israeli negotiators to qatar. meanwhile, a humanitarian aid shipment carrying 200 tonnes of food from cyprus has been unloaded onto gaza's shore. it's the first time in two decades that the sea route has been used. it's unclear, though, how the food will be distributed.the us charity, world central kitchen, is carrying out the mission in co—operation with the united arab emirates.speaking before a two—day trip to the middle east, german chancellor 0laf scholz urged israel to allow unlimited humanitarian aid into gaza.

we have a difficult situation. it is necessary for aid to enter gaza on a larger scale. that is a topic i also have to talk about. we are also concerned about the further advancement of military developments. in particular there is a danger that a large offensive in rafah will result in many terrible civilian casualties which must be avoided at all costs. princess diana's brother earl spencer has told the bbc that the press attention suffered by his sister was more dangerous than the scrutiny faced by catherine, the current princess of wales. in an interview for tomorrow's sunday with laura kuenssberg, earl spencer has also revealed details about the violent punishments that he and his sister endured when they were young. here's laura kuenssberg with more. i always believed the press would kill her in the end, but not even i could imagine that they would take such a direct hand in her death. charles spencer's fury at the way the press treated his sister, diana, made him famous.

it is a point to remember... his anger at her funeral, raw, after years of intrusion and pain. ..a girl given the name of the ancient goddess of hunting was, in the end, the most hunted person of the modern age. decades later, there's been a frenzy around the current princess of wales, kate — even around a family photo. but does the rumour and online speculation compare to what diana endured? no, i think it was more dangerous back in the day. the circumstances of her death were so shocking that it did make the industry that supports the paparazzi really consider more carefully what it could and couldn't do. not because they had a moraljudgment, but because it was unacceptable. he's publishing a memoir about appalling, violent and sexual abuse he suffered at boarding school. sent away at the age of eight, he became a victim. innocent family snaps mask

the darker secrets of what went on. he even told me, he and his sister were physically hurt by a nanny known as nanny foster, as young children. and their elder sisters were punished with laxatives by a different nanny, too. she used to crack our heads together if we were both found to have done something naughty — obviously, without my father's knowledge. but it really hurt. it wasn't a tap on the wrist. it was a cracking crunch, you know, and i remember it still. but you and diana and your other sisters were then brought up, even in a home environment, where staff, nannies who were hired to look after you, were hurting you. again, i don't think we realised that that was wrong. charles spencer may come from one of the wealthiest families in the land, but privilege is no guarantee of happiness. aristocracy — no protection from abuse. laura kuenssberg, bbc news.

let's turn to some important news around the world. history was made in the uk on saturday — as vaughan gething was elected the first black leader of the welsh labour party. gething will also become europe's first black leader — when he takes over as first minister next week, suceeding current leader mark drakeford. mr gething was born in zambia and is a former solicitor. newjersey police have a suspect in custody — after three people were killed in a shooting spree in nearby pennsylvania. police confronted a 26—year—old homeless man who was holding people hostage at a building in the city of trenton. they say he killed three people — after stealing a car in nearby pennsylvania. before we go, i want to bring you some incredible live pictures from iceland. a volcano has erupted for the fourth time since december — spewing lava into the air — and sending fountains of molten rock soaring from fissures in the ground. icelandic police declared a state

of emergency for the area — which is just south of the capital reykjavik. the nearby grindavik fishing town, where some residents had returned following earlier eruptions — is being evacuated once again. several homes were burned to the ground injanuary several homes were burned to the ground in january as lava several homes were burned to the ground injanuary as lava approach the outside of the town. that's all we have time for a year on bbc news butjoin me again at the top of the other if you can, buy for now. hello there. at last some beautiful spring sunshine for much of the uk on saturday including here in cumbria but not long until we saw the cloud thicken from the west with outbreaks of rain moving eastwards on this weather front. of rain moving eastwards on this weatherfront. that

of rain moving eastwards on this weather front. that continues to push further eastwards into sunday morning with intense downpours of rain for a morning with intense downpours of rainfora time morning with intense downpours of rain for a time across south wales into central southern england and eastern england, a soggy start to the day but it is a mild one, much milder than it was on saturday morning with a temperature between 5-11, morning with a temperature between 5—11, double figures still in the south so a mild start to the day with more sunshine on offer throughout the day on sunday but also showers through the afternoon. and it is a very wet start for parts of southern england with heavy rain clearing to the north the anti—richard brighten up by lunchtime and perhaps a more sunshine developing. sunny spells and coastal and hill fog towards the west and clouding over with outbreaks of rain and some showers heavy and thundery in northern england but very mild again and we could see 17 celsius in east anglia. looking to the west again through sunday night and into monday,

various weather fronts approach but these are fizzling out so there will be rain north and west through the night but then it is just patchy cloud as we head through much of monday so most of us, it will stay dry, clouding over with outbreaks of rain across northern ireland in western scotland by the end of the day. the air is still mild with the temperature peaking in the mid—teens. keeping that milder air as we head through monday and tuesday with that south—westerly wind, on tuesday we are likely to see heavy rain across the north and the west with northern ireland and western scotland but elsewhere i think it will stay largely dry throughout the day and a lot of cloud will tend to break up and we see brighter spells developing. all eyes towards the south—west by the end of tuesday because this rain could cause some problems on wednesday. very mild on tuesday, 12-16. it wednesday. very mild on tuesday, 12—16. it could turn cooler as we head through wednesday and thursday. stays unsettled with more rain in

the forecast at times. goodbye.

this is bbc news. we will have the headlines for you at the top of the hour. straight after this programme. hello, everybody. a very warm welcome to talking business weekly with me, aaron heslehurst. let's go and take a look at what's on the show. translation: we should support farmers, because without -

them, we have no food. without them, we'll have nothing. the world's failing food system — with farmers struggling to make a living, can they keep producing the food we all need? farmers around the world — from europe and australia to mexico and india — they've been taking to the streets as their financial pressures grow. so, what does it all mean for one of the world's most important industries? i'm going to be discussing all of that with these two — there they are — the big boss of the world farmers' 0rganisation, who tells me he's worried about the industry's future and how it's going to feed ten billion mouths in the next 25 years. and this man, who was part of a team buying from farmers for one of the world's biggest retailers, who tells us how supermarket pressures for profits puts the squeeze on hard—pressed farmers. also on the show, what do the white house, rafael nadal and rolling stone magazine have in common? well, their websites — they're all powered by wordpress. so i decided to catch up with the big boss of the free

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