tv The Context BBC News March 19, 2024 9:00pm-9:31pm GMT
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-- countries who stand by country's —— countries who stand by the same _ country's —— countries who stand by the same rules_ country's —— countries who stand by the same rules and _ country's —— countries who stand by the same rules and principles. - to make it clear, the chancellor emphasised several times, no boots on the ground in ukraine, and there is nothing to add at this time. we don't have to worry about russia when they lose this war, and that's why we have to really focus on efforts, our efforts now to help ukraine. joining us on our panel tonight is shannon felton spence in boston, a political strategist at the harvard think tank, the belfer center and lord peter ricketts in london, former uk national security advisor and british ambassador to france. first — the latest headlines. the political leader of hamas has accused israel of sabotaging renewed talks on a ceasefire in gaza with monday's assault
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on the territory's largest hospital. israel says the operation was mounted against hamas fighters inside the compound. it comes as the us secretary of state anthony blinken says the entire population of gaza is in need of humanitarian assistance, and is suffering from "severe levels of acute food insecurity". the us supreme court has refused to block a law in texas that would allow state authorities to arrest and deport migrants suspected of crossing the border from mexico illegally. the preliminary ruling is a setback for the biden administration, which says the law interferes with the federal government's power to regulate immigration. the un's human rights chief has condemned a sweeping new security law in hong kong, saying it could lead to the criminalisation of rights and freedoms protected under international law. beijing had ordered hong kong to pass legislation to replace laws that china had imposed on the territory almost four years ago. diplomacy, so goes the saying, is the patriotic art of lying for one's country.
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no one doubts the biden's administrations commitment to the fight in ukraine. but at today's 20th meeting of the ukraine contact group in ramstein, germany, the us assurances that they will not let ukraine fail, is beginning to sound a little hollow. the truth is washington has essentially run out of funds to continue supporting kyiv and there is no sign as yet that congress will move to replenish those funds quickly. the us defense secretary lloyd austin sought to reassure allies this afternoon. but it is becoming harder for us leaders to travel to europe with the message that the united states is committed to ukraine for the long—term. today, ukraine's survival is in danger. in america, security is at risk. and they don't have a day to waste, and we don't have a day to spare either. so i leave here today fully determined to keep us security assistance and ammunition flowing. and that's a matter of survival and sovereignty for ukraine.
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and it's a matter of honour and security for america. make no mistake, putin is watching come of the world is watching and history is watching. in that context the meeting of european leaders in brussels this week is a vital one. in a comment piece ahead of the summit, the european council president, charles michel said the continent hopes for peace, but must prepare for war. "we can no longer count on others or be at the mercy lord peter ricketts, former uk national security adviser and british ambassador to france. one of the assurances ukrainians have been given today as the military, these artillery shells that they need will start to appear
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from next month. i assume that they are talking about the shells the europeans are now sourcing outside the block. , . , ,., , the block. yes, absolutely. the rhetoric was _ the block. yes, absolutely. the rhetoric was good _ the block. yes, absolutely. the rhetoric was good and - the block. yes, absolutely. the rhetoric was good and ram - the block. yes, absolutely. the i rhetoric was good and ram stein, good intentions certainly don't repel russian invaders, and europe has basically run out over the ammunition from its own stock, so the europeans had mobilised another 5 billion euros, which can now be partly spent on sourcing ammunition for countries like south korea and others that have it available because although european countries are finally getting around to ramping up their production, this is a long—term process, and ukraine hasn't got the long term. yes, more funds from europe are going to flow into sourcing ammunition from outside europe, but i suspect that the sources of it or not that great, and we really are rubbing up against the stoppers in terms of supporting ukraine and the essential months ahead. �* , ., , ahead. let's return to this statement, _ ahead. let's return to this statement, it's _ ahead. let's return to this statement, it's an - ahead. let's return to this l statement, it's an extensive
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ahead. let's return to this - statement, it's an extensive one ahead. let's return to this _ statement, it's an extensive one and a belgium newspaper today, and it's obviously important given what's coming up at the end of the week, but he says it's not clear that russia will not stop in ukraine just as it did not stop in crimea ten years ago... this is an active debate in the uk, where we set the level of defence spending. do you think we need a change of heart now as to how much we put into defence? yes. change of heart now as to how much we put into defence?— change of heart now as to how much we put into defence? yes, i think we do. we put into defence? yes, i think we d0- although — we put into defence? yes, i think we do. although not _ we put into defence? yes, i think we do. although not a _ we put into defence? yes, i think we do. although not a great _ we put into defence? yes, i think we do. although not a great deal- do. although not a great deal of credibility coming from belgium and the track record of the belgians in this. he is essentially right, that if we don't stop the russians in ukraine, there will be a higher price to play later. president akron
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has been making the same point. controversially in france, they are trying to get french people to understand there is going to be a greater sacrifice needed now in order to stop worse to come later. i have to say that european politicians and i include british politicians and i include british politicians in this are not making this case really to their publics that we are effectively needing to step up our defence spending considerably at a time of all sorts of other domestic pressures on spending because if we don't do that then russia, if they don't attack other countries, will be seeking to undermine them, destabilise them and there will be greater costs to come later. but honestly, if you walk around european capitals today, does not feel like europe is in any sense of a wartime footing. that not feel like europe is in any sense of a wartime footing.— of a wartime footing. that is the oint that of a wartime footing. that is the point that donald _ of a wartime footing. that is the point that donald trump - of a wartime footing. that is the point that donald trump has - of a wartime footing. that is the i point that donald trump has been making tonight for an interview. i will play you a clip of what he said in respect of nato. i will get your response off the back.
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do we have that trump clip? nato became strong because of me. now, _ nato became strong because of me. now. nato_ nato became strong because of me. now, nato has to treat the us fairly hecausem — now, nato has to treat the us fairly because... not for the now, nato has to treat the us fairly because... not forthe united states. — because... not forthe united states, nato literally doesn't even exist. _ states, nato literally doesn't even exist. but — states, nato literally doesn't even exist, but they took advantage of us, like _ exist, but they took advantage of us, like most countries do. if they start to play _ us, like most countries do. if they start to play fair. _ us, like most countries do. if they start to play fair, america - us, like most countries do. if they start to play fair, america is - start to play fair, america is there? . ':: :: , 100%. thank you. someone applied the former president _ 100%. thank you. someone applied the former president for _ 100%. thank you. someone applied the former president for the _ 100%. thank you. someone applied the former president for the work _ 100%. thank you. someone applied the former president for the work he - former president for the work he actually did within nato to get countries up to that 2% targets, but there is still this? that he leaves there tonight. what happens if countries don't meet their 2% target on spending? he if countries don't meet their 2% target on spending?— if countries don't meet their 2% target on spending? he is definitely -la in: fast target on spending? he is definitely playing fast and _ target on spending? he is definitely playing fast and loose _ target on spending? he is definitely playing fast and loose with - target on spending? he is definitely playing fast and loose with nato - playing fast and loose with nato rhetoric — playing fast and loose with nato rhetoric and he did his entire first administration as well but now that we are _ administration as well but now that we are in— administration as well but now that we are in the campaign season we see
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him really— we are in the campaign season we see him really ramp it up and it is something that drives poll numbers. so unfortunately when donald trump talks about nato, he's not talking about _ talks about nato, he's not talking about international security, he is playing _ about international security, he is playing domestic politics and trying to get— playing domestic politics and trying to get himself reelected. i have heard _ to get himself reelected. i have heard many members of the house of congress _ heard many members of the house of congress say believe his actions, not his— congress say believe his actions, not his rhetoric, but it is very hard — not his rhetoric, but it is very hard to— not his rhetoric, but it is very hard to do— not his rhetoric, but it is very hard to do that when you see that he has a _ hard to do that when you see that he has a disdain for ukraine, frankly, president — has a disdain for ukraine, frankly, president zelensky. it does what his first impeachment was all about. and he plays— first impeachment was all about. and he plays so— first impeachment was all about. and he plays so fast and loose with these — he plays so fast and loose with these words. i think it's also, you know. _ these words. i think it's also, you know. it — these words. i think it's also, you know, it sends a signal to our european _ know, it sends a signal to our european allies and our european partners — european allies and our european partners about whether or not they can expect — partners about whether or not they can expect that 75 year security assurance — can expect that 75 year security assurance that they have had for 75 years _ assurance that they have had for 75 years once — assurance that they have had for 75 years once the elections happen in november — years once the elections happen in november. to years once the elections happen in november. ., . . , years once the elections happen in november-— years once the elections happen in november. ., . ., , ., ~ ., ., , november. to creates awkward moments for us leaders — november. to creates awkward moments for us leaders coming _ november. to creates awkward moments for us leaders coming over _ november. to creates awkward moments for us leaders coming over here - for us leaders coming over here saying they are in it for the long term when they don't really know, because house republicans have been twisting themselves in knots over ukraine funding for months. there is
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a $60 billion military package on the table, which the conservatives refused to pass while the us border is still in shambles. let's talk about —— the neck senator lindsey graham, who is close to trump, says he has discussed with president zelensky a no—interest, waivable loan . the former president has championed changing all us foreign aid into loans. and there is a suggestion that some of the house republican who support ukraine are now buying into this idea. the idea is that you spend a0 billion of the 60 billion on us defence contractors, that creates american jobs. defence contractors, that creates americanjobs. the rest of it, may be, i don't know, 20 billion, that is in a loan format. is that something you can see as a flyer in the house?— the house? listen, this is an example _ the house? listen, this is an example of— the house? listen, this is an example of the _ the house? listen, this is an example of the republicansl the house? listen, this is an - example of the republicans trying to pull one _ example of the republicans trying to pull one over on donald trump. donald — pull one over on donald trump. donald trump has never met a loan that he _ donald trump has never met a loan that he has— donald trump has never met a loan that he has repaid. they know this is their— that he has repaid. they know this is their way— that he has repaid. they know this is their way of being able to provide _ is their way of being able to provide critical aid to ukraine, do what _ provide critical aid to ukraine, do what is _ provide critical aid to ukraine, do what is right, do what is necessary
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in a time _ what is right, do what is necessary in a time that is necessary and meet the moment— in a time that is necessary and meet the moment while allowing the president some political win that he can sell. _ president some political win that he can sell, excuse me, the former president. — can sell, excuse me, the former president, some political win that he can— president, some political win that he can tout out on the campaign trail that — he can tout out on the campaign trail that this was a loan and not an aid _ trail that this was a loan and not an aid package. trail that this was a loan and not an aid package-— an aid package. whatever the solution is, _ an aid package. whatever the solution is, it _ an aid package. whatever the solution is, it is _ an aid package. whatever the solution is, it is desperately l solution is, it is desperately needed. its needs must at this point. if this is the way that the ukraine supporting republicans in the house get it over the line, then all well and good, isn't it? i’m the house get it over the line, then all well and good, isn't it?— all well and good, isn't it? i'm not sure i know _ all well and good, isn't it? i'm not sure i know what _ all well and good, isn't it? i'm not sure i know what a _ all well and good, isn't it? i'm not sure i know what a no _ all well and good, isn't it? i'm not sure i know what a no interest - sure i know what a no interest waivable loan means, but if it can help me get through the us congress, that's right. the hard fact is europeans cannot replace what the americans have a provided in terms of military support to you ukraine. and as we have heard, nato is easy to damage because it is an organisation based on trust, and if you undermined the trust that the americans will be there to support europeans with the kind of comments that donald trump has been making, that donald trump has been making, that really damages nato even if he
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never gets around to pulling the us out of nato. so strong support for nato out of nato. so strong support for nate and some way of really opening the pipelines of us military support to ukraine seemed to me to be absolutely essential, and whatever name it has come i think the ukrainians will accept it. come i think the ukrainians will acce -t it. , , come i think the ukrainians will accet it. , , . accept it. the results in moscow are finally and — accept it. the results in moscow are finally and we _ accept it. the results in moscow are finally end. we can _ accept it. the results in moscow are finally end. we can talk— accept it. the results in moscow are finally end. we can talk about - accept it. the results in moscow are finally end. we can talk about the l finally end. we can talk about the vote because we now have a final tally. supposedly vladimir putin took 87% of the weekeds vote, which guarantees him another six years in office. though the opposition paper novaya gazeta europe reported today around half of those were fraudulent. now the election is done, moscow has much to gain by fostering trouble beyond its borders with ukraine. and maybe even an incentive to distract nato further. look across the map, the warning signs are flashing. in moldova, georgia, and potentially the western balkans. there are thousands of nato soldiers still in kosovo as peacekeepers. serbia does not recognize kosovo sovereignty. and while serbian president aleksander vucic is tightening his
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grip at home, with russian backing, and russian arms, there have been multiple provocations at the border, with suggestions belgrade may be looking for a pretext to escalate the crisis. then there is bosnia and herzegovina, teetering on the verge of collapse. the, bosnian serb leader milorad dodik, another russian ally, has threatened the secession of his semiautonomous region, the republika srpska. this afternoon the uk foregin affairs committee held a special session on the crisis in the wetern balkans, with the former nato sec general lord george robertson giving evidence. there's question of spill—over and the fact that the russians and the chinese and others are using the western balkans as a sort of adventure playground while our attention is diverted elsewhere. with me is dr andi hoxhaj who also spoke at the foreign affairs committee on the western balkans this afternoon. it is interesting that this was picked up on that other areas around
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europe and former yugoslavia where russia might try to cause trouble. what did you hear in evidence today? russia has been trying to melt in the western balkans for quite some time, but it has intensified its efforts in the war in ukraine, but what we have heard, declassified information that russia has spent more than $300 million to different political parties in the western balkans to undermine the eu's effort for integration as well as nato's. but what we sort of discussed today in the hearing is to understand russia's purpose in the western balkans and its main aim is to destabilise the region, in particular wants to incite violence in bosnia and between serbia and kosovo. its main aim is to move away the west�*s attention from ukraine and to open another hotspot in the western balkans in europe. there's
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been all sorts _ western balkans in europe. there's been all sorts of— western balkans in europe. there's been all sorts of debate _ western balkans in europe. there's been all sorts of debate on - western balkans in europe. there's been all sorts of debate on the - been all sorts of debate on the fringes in recent weeks where they were sort of approaching a situation where there may be another world war and we don't need any reminder of where the first world war started. it was of course in that region. do you see signs that the serbs are looking to do something this year that there would be concerns on that order with kosovo and what would nato need to do to prevent it? it’s nato need to do to prevent it? it's ve nato need to do to prevent it? it�*s very concerning because we had an attack last year on kosovo and the perpetrator are still walking free in serbia. they have not been held accountable. we heard today and there has been information over the weekend the perpetrator actually received 8.5 million euros to their shares and companies. so that's quite a handsome pay. there is also an inter—poor word to bring these people to justice and they are walking free in serbia. so the intentions are quite open there but what we need to do, we need to
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contain that because we don't need another destabilisation in the western balkans because it is quite heated at the moment across the eu. these five western balkan countries, three of whom... six, and there are three of whom... six, and there are three that are in nato, three are in nato three that are in nato, three are in nate and three are not. so you can see a scenario where if there was an expanded, if security was unsettled in that region, you would have a very dangerous situation with nato troops in the very near vicinity. absolutely we would. at the issue is that the european union and particularly a number of nato countries have let this situation to happen. we have four nato members that do not recognise kosovo, that are not making any commitment whatsoever as to when they would recognise kosovo. that will enable them to join the nato alliance as well as the eu if those commitments can be met. it could deter russia's influence as well as serbia's aggression towards kosovo. the other
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issue that we have, there is no incentive whatsoever for both serbia and kosovo to reach an agreement because what's essentially we are offering through the eu dialogue is money and investment. find offering through the eu dialogue is money and investment.— offering through the eu dialogue is money and investment. and that is where the leverage _ money and investment. and that is where the leverage is. _ money and investment. and that is where the leverage is. we - money and investment. and that is where the leverage is. we have - where the leverage is. we have seen massive investment _ where the leverage is. we have seen massive investment from _ where the leverage is. we have seen massive investment from russia - where the leverage is. we have seen massive investment from russia andj massive investment from russia and china. , . massive investment from russia and china. , , ., , massive investment from russia and china. , ., , ,, china. just on this issue, when you look at it in — china. just on this issue, when you look at it in the broader _ china. just on this issue, when you look at it in the broader context, i look at it in the broader context, and wejust look at it in the broader context, and we just looked at the map they are. you can see the same playbook being used by moscow, so breakaway regions within these countries request russian help, russian money flows in and they destabilise from an internal perspective. are you concerned about what you see in the moment? . . concerned about what you see in the moment? , . . ., , moment? yes i am, particularly with serbia, a president— moment? yes i am, particularly with serbia, a president who _ moment? yes i am, particularly with serbia, a president who is _ moment? yes i am, particularly with serbia, a president who is very - serbia, a president who is very close to vladimir putin and they have opportunities to destabilise there. this has got very deep roots, of course in hearing george
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robertson speak there, i work very closely with him in the late 19905 when he was a defence secretary where it was the time of the kosovo pricing —— kosovo cri5i5 where it was the time of the kosovo pricing —— kosovo crisis and montenegro a5 pricing —— kosovo crisis and montenegro as well and he has continued to follow very closely, so he is a very authoritative voice on this and he is absolutely right, russia is seen opportunities to provoke, to subvert, to distract the west from other priorities and these countries, serbia, bosnia, they are stuck in a kind of no man's land, some of their neighbours, former members of the eu, seeing that enormous booster prosperity that comes from being in the eu, they are there, although one of the effects of putting's invasion of ukraine is to reopen the issue of getting these countries into the eu and hasjust been said, eu accession would be an enormous help to the prosperity of these countries, the economy of these countries, the economy of these countries. it is on the table but it feels like a long way away while both of them are as destabilised with those two
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countries are at the moment. {lilla destabilised with those two countries are at the moment. 0k, we have to leave — countries are at the moment. 0k, we have to leave that _ countries are at the moment. 0k, we have to leave that they _ countries are at the moment. 0k, we have to leave that they are. - countries are at the moment. 0k, we have to leave that they are. thank . have to leave that they are. thank you very much for coming into the studio. thank you for your thoughts on an area we don't focus on perhaps enough. it is 11 days sincejoe biden's delivered his state of the union address. and yet first polls out since the speeh show the president 5 numbers have barely budged. his approval ratings are stuck in the high 305 low a05. and trump leads, within the margin of error, in the battleground states of pennsylvania michigan and arizona, which is the focus for the president today. he will use a stop at a mexican restaurant in phoenix today to announce a national program to reach latino voters. four years ago, biden won latino voters 2—to—1 over former president trump. but recent polls indicate democrats' longtime advantage with latinos — the fast—growing segment of the us population — is diminishing. the former president is really focused on the latinos, shannon, what can president biden do to shore up what can president biden do to shore up his coalition?—
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up his coalition? well, this is a very difficult — up his coalition? well, this is a very difficult moment - up his coalition? well, this is a very difficult moment for - up his coalition? well, this is a very difficult moment for the i very difficult moment for the president, as he has switched into campaign mode, right? and he is finding that the calculus in the us is so tight between these two candidates, between donald trump and joe biden. donald trump's support is locked. there's nobody in america but doesn't know exactly how they feel about donald trump. butjoe biden is different. he can only lose support at this point. so losing a major demographic like under 25 �*s or hispanic voters is a major, major detrimental flaw or hispanic voters is a major, major detrimentalflaw in the or hispanic voters is a major, major detrimental flaw in the campaign calculus. and they have to figure out what they can do. they've got to sell the economy better. he's got to do a betterjob of getting inflation down, getting prices at the tail down, getting prices at the tail down and making sure the people know that the economy is strong and that happen under the biden administration. because donald trump has the opposite messaging and it is working. it is driving those necessary voters that president biden needs in those swing states to independent voters or even to just not show up at all. it’s
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independent voters or even to “ust not show up at amfi not show up at all. it's incredible the olls not show up at all. it's incredible the polls have — not show up at all. it's incredible the polls have not _ not show up at all. it's incredible the polls have not budged - not show up at all. it's incredible the polls have not budged on - not show up at all. it's incredible the polls have not budged on for| the polls have not budged on for months in spite of all of it, in spite of donald trump and the comments he's made and all the efforts that the white house are making. it's a long part of a campaign still to run. on the opposite side, we hear reports that paul man afford, trump's from a campaign manager who he pardoned to help —— paul manafort, his former campaign manager who he pardoned, to help run his campaign later this year. reports suggest discussions have already been had. with manafort expected to play a key role in fundraising. lest you have forgotten, this is the same paul manafort who was criminally convicted of tax fraud, holding secret foreign bank accounts ? and who admitted to foreign lobbying unregistered. does it concern you that a man like this would be back in politics? it’s this would be back in politics? it's absolutely concerning, for a couple of reasons. — absolutely concerning, for a couple of reasons, the first being that as an individual, a major intelligence risk~ _
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an individual, a major intelligence risk~ he _ an individual, a major intelligence risk. he had dealings with the russians. _ risk. he had dealings with the russians, that's not what he was ultimately— russians, that's not what he was ultimately convicted of, but this is a man— ultimately convicted of, but this is a man that — ultimately convicted of, but this is a man that is leaky and corrupt. the second _ a man that is leaky and corrupt. the second reason that this is concerning is because one of the major— concerning is because one of the major concerns of donald trump getting — major concerns of donald trump getting a — major concerns of donald trump getting a second term in office is that sort— getting a second term in office is that sort of all of the grown—ups in the room _ that sort of all of the grown—ups in the room will no longer be in washington because he would have solidified _ washington because he would have solidified the mar lago hanger honours — solidified the mar lago hanger honours is what we call them, the people _ honours is what we call them, the people who are trompe l'oeil, believe — people who are trompe l'oeil, believe in _ people who are trompe l'oeil, believe in him and paul man afford is really— believe in him and paul man afford is really an— believe in him and paul man afford is really an example of that kind of character _ is really an example of that kind of character that donald trump could bring _ character that donald trump could bring into — character that donald trump could bring into his inner circle. i bring into his inner circle. wouldn't bring into his inner circle. i wouldn't expect you to know the ins and outs of paul, butjust to remind our audience, the special counsel, robert muller, picked up their is investigation from a russian contact that he had, and he had ties to russian intelligence, and according to him, he was briefing him on ukraine all the way back to 2016, in fact, they talked in their discussions about a peace plan for
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ukraine that would have been very favourable to the kremlin. and i just wonder, in the intelligence community, of which you are a part, when you look at stories like this, does that have an influence? do you look at the people surrounding donald trump �*s look at the people surrounding donald trump '5 does it raise questions about the sort of intelligence might be shared? i think the russians certainly look at people around trump, so yes it has to be a concern and the us president of course has access to the most sensitive intelligence throughout the western alliance and it would be very worrying if the staff close to him were in touch with the russians. so, absolutely that is a real concern. since americans are so dominant in the five eyes intelligence exchange, it would put everyone in a real quandary if there were doubts about those at the centre of the white house operation in terms of their security, people would have to think what to do about that but it would be extremely uncomfortable. we also have concerns about a number of western countries where the russians are deeply embedded, but to have it happen at
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the heart of the us administration from i think that would be unprecedented.— from i think that would be unrecedented. �* ., ., from i think that would be unrecedented. . ., ., , unprecedented. another former member of trum - 's unprecedented. another former member of trump's inner — unprecedented. another former member of trump's inner circle _ unprecedented. another former member of trump's inner circle that _ unprecedented. another former member of trump's inner circle that is _ of trump's inner circle that is going to jail. this man — the economist and former white house adviser peter navarro. this afternoon he reported to a federal prison in miami to begin a four month sentence. navarro was convicted last year after ignoring a subpoena from the house committee investigating the jan 6th capitol riot. his last—ditch appeal was refused yesterday. he is the first trump—era official to be jailed for contempt of congress. they are using this as a rally cry. what _ they are using this as a rally cry. what drives— they are using this as a rally cry. what drives the polls is donald trump — what drives the polls is donald trump talking about these
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convictions as political persecution against _ convictions as political persecution against him. peter navarro really took one — against him. peter navarro really took one for the trump team. he is going _ took one for the trump team. he is going in— took one for the trump team. he is going in as — took one for the trump team. he is going in as a — took one for the trump team. he is going in as a martyr. trump is going to be _ going in as a martyr. trump is going to be rolling — going in as a martyr. trump is going to be rolling this out in this narrative _ to be rolling this out in this narrative out for the next four months — narrative out for the next four months over the campaign trail. so, no, months over the campaign trail. so, no. i_ months over the campaign trail. so, no. i don't _ months over the campaign trail. so, no, i don't think it does serve as a warning _ no, i don't think it does serve as a warning if— no, i don't think it does serve as a warning. if somebody is team trump, then they— warning. if somebody is team trump, then they can reach martyrdom this way. then they can reach martyrdom this wa . r , , then they can reach martyrdom this wa . ~ , , , then they can reach martyrdom this wa . ~ , , ., ., then they can reach martyrdom this way. apparently he is going into an elderly unit — way. apparently he is going into an elderly unit within _ way. apparently he is going into an elderly unit within this _ way. apparently he is going into an elderly unit within this jail- way. apparently he is going into an elderly unit within this jail in - elderly unit within this jail in miami, so he will serve in the library rather than going out to work outside in the heat. here's what mr navarro had to say before reporting to prison in miami. when i walk in that prison today, the justice system such as it is will have done a crippling blow to the constitutional separation of powers and executive privilege. just an hour ago trump responded to press asking him he was an economist, a professor in california joining the trump team and then what sort of advocating for and then what sort of advocating for a coup through his book and didn't
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give evidence through... he was subpoenaed by congress. it'sjust extraordinary to me the sort of people that went into the trump administration with big reputations, administration with big reputations, a realfall from grace. administration with big reputations, a real fall from grace.— a real fall from grace. absolutely. and what worries _ a real fall from grace. absolutely. and what worries me, _ a real fall from grace. absolutely. and what worries me, i'm - a real fall from grace. absolutely. and what worries me, i'm not - a real fall from grace. absolutely. and what worries me, i'm not anl and what worries me, i'm not an expert, is that trump two, if it happened, would be better prepared and more effective trump operation because he would've had the experience of office, he would have had time to prepare and we would have to face even more full on trump where he elected again. he think the implications for that for europe are very serious. i know people are beginning to think quietly about how europe could prove resilient in the face of a more effective trump onslaught and a second trump administration. there are no easy answers. one of them i think is for the uk to work more closely with our european allies and other allies like australia, new zealand, japan, south korea, but it would be extremely uncomfortable if the sort
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of team that you see there are back in power even more effective next time. ~ ., . . ., , ., time. would peter navarro be part of the team next _ time. would peter navarro be part of the team next time _ time. would peter navarro be part of the team next time around? - time. would peter navarro be part of the team next time around? trump l time. would peter navarro be part of. the team next time around? trump was just asked about it, he has just been voting in florida. this is what he said. i been voting in florida. this is what he said. ~ �* . been voting in florida. this is what he said. ~ �*, . , . he said. i think it's a shame. i think it's _ he said. i think it's a shame. i think it's a — he said. i think it's a shame. i think it's a disgrace. - he said. i think it's a shame. i think it's a disgrace. it's - he said. i think it's a shame. i think it's a disgrace. it's a - think it's a disgrace. it's a disgrace _ think it's a disgrace. it's a disgrace to _ think it's a disgrace. it's a disgrace to our— think it's a disgrace. it's a disgrace to our nation - think it's a disgrace. it's a i disgrace to our nation what think it's a disgrace. it's a - disgrace to our nation what they did to him _ that wasn't a ringing endorsement to bring him back to the administration, but clearly it is a pattern we have had from donald trump. when he gets to as he did at the weekend, he talks about those who were involved injanuary six as hostages and presumably he classes peter navarro as one of them. i think that's right. the thing about donald _ think that's right. the thing about donald trump is the thing that he doesn't _ donald trump is the thing that he doesn't forget his grudges. he does forget _ doesn't forget his grudges. he does forget favours. so although he could pardon _ forget favours. so although he could pardon peter navarro on day one, who knows _ pardon peter navarro on day one, who knows if _ pardon peter navarro on day one, who knows if he _ pardon peter navarro on day one, who knows if he will remember this big favour— knows if he will remember this big favour that— knows if he will remember this big favour that this guy did for him. he would _ favour that this guy did for him. he would remember if he spoke ill of
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him _ would remember if he spoke ill of him. ,., we are going to take a short break. the other side of that break, we will talk about climate, some or worrying figures coming out from the un's weather office today and particularly concerning the temperatures of the oceans. we will get an expert to view on thatjust after the break. do stay with us. we will be right back.
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start. the un's weather agency has issued a "red alert" today. their new report concludes that there is a "high probability" 202a will be another record hot year and that the world's efforts to reverse this trend are wholly inadequate. what is particularly concerning scientists is that ocean temperatures have stayed at record highs every day for the past year. and they don't yet have a complete understanding yet of what is driving it. it's notjust that records are being broken, it's the absurdly large margins by which they have been broken. it is damaging precious ecosystems and it is driving some of the record floods we have seen. some of that, you would expect in 2023 because of the strong el nino event in the pacific ocean. but it doesn't explain all of it. and what is worse is that there are no signs yet of ocean temperatures cooling any time soon. joining me now isjohn kennedy. he is the scientific coordinator for wmo's state global climate 2023 report. thank you for being on the
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