out similar concerns. uk prime minister rishi sunak says the government is taking action to protect the country. our position is that china has been behaving in an increasingly authoritarian position abroad and at home and it represents a growing challenge of the greater state —based threat to our security, so it's right we take measures to protect ourselves, which is what we are doing. to give specific examples, we using our new national investment powers to block investment powers to block investment in china into sensitive technology like semiconductors, our captain on national security act and others means we can take any steps we need to. we have removed huawei, for example, from our telecoms network and we will always do what is required to keep our country safe. live now to central london. three mps who have apparently been

impacted by these cyber attacks are just sitting down and talking now. let's listen in. it just sitting down and talking now. let's listen in.— let's listen in. it would be difficult to — let's listen in. it would be difficult to do _ let's listen in. it would be difficult to do anything - let's listen in. it would be i difficult to do anything inside let's listen in. it would be - difficult to do anything inside the house of commons. i also want to start on myself and my colleagues here and others who are not here, saying we did have a briefing, but we are not at liberty and have been asked not to say anything about the briefing, and i think it would be wrong of us to preach that confidence. but we can, and i'm just going to make a short statement, about what has already happened to us and to what we have had to do about it, and then three orfour macro questions had to do about it, and then three or four macro questions for the government when they make statements of things we believe they will need to answer. so, together with other members of the parliamentary activists and dissidents, we have been subject to harassment, impersonation, and injected there were an hacking from china for some time. we take this opportunity to highlight that though extremely

unwelcome, our discomfort pales in comparison to chinese dissidents who oppose the communist party. it is high time they receive much greater support from the host government. neither we nor the parliamentary colleagues will be bullied into silence by. —— by beijing. we have been to passive as they have overseen operations that have rapidly expanded, turning a blind eye to what the intelligence and security committee termed penetration into every sector of the uk economy. still incredibly, there is a debate within the uk government, we understand, over whether or not china should be in the enhanced tier of the new foreign influence registration scheme. still, the uk has yet to impose a single sanction aren't officials responsible for the destruction of freedoms in hong kong, despite the uk being one of the two duty bearers

with china under the sino—british joint declaration. i remind you that the united states in the same period a sanctioned event for the people in hong kong. we have sanctioned none. we must now enter any relation —— a new era of relations with china dealing with the chinese communist party as it is and not how it ought to be. this should mark a watershed moment where the uk takes a stand for the values of human rights and the international rules —based system in which we all depend, therefore we have hopefully four request of the government when they get up to make the respective statements today. number one: china should immediately be labelled as a threat, not as an e park defining systemic challenge in the integrated review. —— e park. two: it should be in the enhanced tier of the foreign influence scheme. there should be sanctions on those responsible for abuses, notjust in hong kong, but obviously in xinjang and around the

whole of china's sovereignty, including tibet, of course, and for victims of china's transnational repression. questions? will start left and right, you can pick them up. sorry, i beg your pardon. andy bell, five news. david cameron as their_ andy bell, five news. david cameron as their foreign secretary, and he was the _ as their foreign secretary, and he was the man who led the drive for the so—called golden era with china. do you _ the so—called golden era with china. do you feel— the so—called golden era with china. do you feel complete confidence he is the _ do you feel complete confidence he is the man— do you feel complete confidence he is the man to push ahead with what you believe — is the man to push ahead with what you believe needs now to happen with the uk _ you believe needs now to happen with the uk and _ you believe needs now to happen with the uk and china? term, _ the uk and china? term, do you want to say some thing about that? i term, do you want to say some thing about that? ~ term, do you want to say some thing about that?— about that? i think there has been a chance in about that? i think there has been a change in tone _ about that? i think there has been a change in tone from _ about that? i think there has been a change in tone from the _ about that? i think there has been a | change in tone from the government since _ change in tone from the government since david _ change in tone from the government since david cameron— change in tone from the government since david cameron has— change in tone from the government since david cameron has arrived. - since david cameron has arrived. whether— since david cameron has arrived. whether that _ since david cameron has arrived. whether that is _ since david cameron has arrived. whether that is him _ since david cameron has arrived. whether that is him trying - since david cameron has arrived. whether that is him trying to- whether that is him trying to overcompensate _ whether that is him trying to overcompensate for- whether that is him trying to overcompensate for being i whether that is him trying toi overcompensate for being the architect — overcompensate for being the architect along _ overcompensate for being the architect along with _ overcompensate for being the architect along with george i overcompensate for being the - architect along with george osborne of the _ architect along with george osborne of the golden— architect along with george osborne of the golden era, _ architect along with george osborne of the golden era, i— architect along with george osborne of the golden era, i don't _ architect along with george osborne of the golden era, i don't know. i architect along with george osborne of the golden era, i don't know. butj of the golden era, i don't know. but the events—

of the golden era, i don't know. but the events that _ of the golden era, i don't know. but the events that have _ of the golden era, i don't know. but the events that have happened i of the golden era, i don't know. but the events that have happened in i of the golden era, i don't know. butl the events that have happened in the last few— the events that have happened in the last few days, — the events that have happened in the last few days, and _ the events that have happened in the last few days, and what _ the events that have happened in the last few days, and what is _ the events that have happened in the last few days, and what is going i the events that have happened in the last few days, and what is going to i last few days, and what is going to be announced _ last few days, and what is going to be announced later— last few days, and what is going to be announced later by _ last few days, and what is going to be announced later by the - last few days, and what is going to be announced later by the deputyl be announced later by the deputy prime _ be announced later by the deputy prime minister, _ be announced later by the deputy prime minister, point _ be announced later by the deputy prime minister, point to - be announced later by the deputy prime minister, point to a - be announced later by the deputy prime minister, point to a very i prime minister, point to a very clear— prime minister, point to a very clear matigh _ prime minister, point to a very clear malign influence - prime minister, point to a very clear malign influence by- prime minister, point to a veryl clear malign influence by china. prime minister, point to a very i clear malign influence by china. in the past, — clear malign influence by china. in the past, i— clear malign influence by china. in the past. i know— clear malign influence by china. in the past, i know david _ clear malign influence by china. in the past, i know david cameron i clear malign influence by china. in i the past, i know david cameron and others _ the past, i know david cameron and others have — the past, i know david cameron and others have always _ the past, i know david cameron and others have always stressed - the past, i know david cameron and others have always stressed a i others have always stressed a balance — others have always stressed a balance between _ others have always stressed a balance between the - others have always stressed a balance between the trading i balance between the trading opportunities _ balance between the trading opportunities with— balance between the trading opportunities with the - balance between the trading opportunities with the well's balance between the trading - opportunities with the well's second largest— opportunities with the well's second largest economy _ opportunities with the well's second largest economy and _ opportunities with the well's second largest economy and the _ opportunities with the well's second largest economy and the risks i opportunities with the well's second largest economy and the risks of. largest economy and the risks of security— largest economy and the risks of security and _ largest economy and the risks of security and there _ largest economy and the risks of security and there are _ largest economy and the risks of security and there are abuses i largest economy and the risks of security and there are abuses of| security and there are abuses of human— security and there are abuses of human rights _ security and there are abuses of human rights i_ security and there are abuses of human rights. i think— security and there are abuses of human rights. i think that - security and there are abuses of human rights. i think that the i security and there are abuses of i human rights. i think that the news and the _ human rights. i think that the news and the statement _ human rights. i think that the news and the statement we _ human rights. i think that the news and the statement we are - human rights. i think that the news and the statement we are going i human rights. i think that the news and the statement we are going toi and the statement we are going to -et and the statement we are going to get later— and the statement we are going to get tater about _ and the statement we are going to get later about potential— and the statement we are going to get later about potential attacks . get later about potential attacks there _ get later about potential attacks there have — get later about potential attacks there have been, _ get later about potential attacks there have been, reporting i get later about potential attacksl there have been, reporting about get later about potential attacks i there have been, reporting about the electorat— there have been, reporting about the electoral commission, _ there have been, reporting about the electoral commission, which - there have been, reporting about the electoral commission, which we i there have been, reporting about the electoral commission, which we willl electoral commission, which we will hear about— electoral commission, which we will hear about later— electoral commission, which we will hear about later and _ electoral commission, which we will hear about later and what _ electoral commission, which we will hear about later and what has - electoral commission, which we will hear about later and what has beenl hear about later and what has been going _ hear about later and what has been going on— hear about later and what has been going on against— hear about later and what has been going on against parliamentarians, | going on against parliamentarians, shows— going on against parliamentarians, shows the — going on against parliamentarians, shows the diat— going on against parliamentarians, shows the dial has _ going on against parliamentarians, shows the dial has very _ going on against parliamentarians, shows the dial has very much i going on against parliamentarians, i shows the dial has very much swung towards _ shows the dial has very much swung towards the — shows the dial has very much swung towards the risk _ shows the dial has very much swung towards the risk category _ shows the dial has very much swung towards the risk category and - shows the dial has very much swung towards the risk category and awayl towards the risk category and away from the _ towards the risk category and away from the opportunities _ towards the risk category and away from the opportunities category, . towards the risk category and away l from the opportunities category, and i from the opportunities category, and i hope _ from the opportunities category, and i hope david — from the opportunities category, and i hope david cameron, _ from the opportunities category, and i hope david cameron, when- from the opportunities category, and i hope david cameron, when he i i hope david cameron, when he presumably— i hope david cameron, when he presumably responds— i hope david cameron, when he presumably responds to - i hope david cameron, when he presumably responds to this i i hope david cameron, when he presumably responds to this ini i hope david cameron, when he i presumably responds to this in the house _ presumably responds to this in the house of— presumably responds to this in the house of lords _ presumably responds to this in the house of lords himself, _ presumably responds to this in the house of lords himself, will- house of lords himself, will acknowledge _ house of lords himself, will acknowledge that, - house of lords himself, will acknowledge that, and i- house of lords himself, will. acknowledge that, and i think house of lords himself, will- acknowledge that, and i think there would _ acknowledge that, and i think there would certainty— acknowledge that, and i think there would certainly chime _ acknowledge that, and i think there would certainly chime with - acknowledge that, and i think there would certainly chime with the i

would certainly chime with the feeling — would certainly chime with the feeling of— would certainly chime with the feeling of parliamentarians i would certainly chime with the feeling of parliamentarians on| would certainly chime with the i feeling of parliamentarians on both sides of— feeling of parliamentarians on both sides of the — feeling of parliamentarians on both sides of the house _ feeling of parliamentarians on both sides of the house as _ feeling of parliamentarians on both sides of the house as to _ feeling of parliamentarians on both sides of the house as to how- feeling of parliamentarians on both sides of the house as to how we i feeling of parliamentarians on both i sides of the house as to how we view china _ sides of the house as to how we view china i_ sides of the house as to how we view china ithink— sides of the house as to how we view china. i think there _ sides of the house as to how we view china. i think there is _ sides of the house as to how we view china. i think there is another- china. i think there is another thing — china. i think there is another thing to— china. i think there is another thing to say— china. i think there is another thing to say here. _ china. i think there is another thing to say here. the- china. i think there is another thing to say here.— china. i think there is another thing to say here. the focus is on david cameron _ thing to say here. the focus is on david cameron as _ thing to say here. the focus is on david cameron as foreign - thing to say here. the focus is on i david cameron as foreign secretary, i -et david cameron as foreign secretary, i get that, _ david cameron as foreign secretary, i get that, but there was a consensus ten, 15, 20 years ago, across— consensus ten, 15, 20 years ago, across business and academia, etc, that this _ across business and academia, etc, that this was — across business and academia, etc, that this was a good thing. we now need _ that this was a good thing. we now need a _ that this was a good thing. we now need a new— that this was a good thing. we now need a new consensus that as we have said, need a new consensus that as we have said. deats _ need a new consensus that as we have said, deals with china as it is what it is doing — said, deals with china as it is what it is doing domestically, but also what _ it is doing domestically, but also what it— it is doing domestically, but also what it is— it is doing domestically, but also what it is doing here, to parliamentarians elected by members of the _ parliamentarians elected by members of the public to represent them, but also what _ of the public to represent them, but also what is — of the public to represent them, but also what is happening to hong kong dissidents— also what is happening to hong kong dissidents in this country as well, and others — dissidents in this country as well, and others who have been persecuted and others who have been persecuted and targeted. i have been here before, — and targeted. i have been here before, but with russia, so i know what _ before, but with russia, so i know what this— before, but with russia, so i know what this is— before, but with russia, so i know what this is like, and what we need to see _ what this is like, and what we need to see is _ what this is like, and what we need to see is the — what this is like, and what we need to see is the same kind of urgency to see is the same kind of urgency to develop— to see is the same kind of urgency to develop a new consensus that deals— to develop a new consensus that deals with — to develop a new consensus that deals with china as it is, not as this— deals with china as it is, not as this kind — deals with china as it is, not as this kind of— deals with china as it is, not as this kind of sweet meal that we can

milk and _ this kind of sweet meal that we can milk and onlyjust get the good parts _ milk and onlyjust get the good parts and — milk and onlyjust get the good parts and we are very much not just getting _ parts and we are very much not just getting the — parts and we are very much not just getting the good part. at the _ getting the good part. at the hands came up. we can come back, because the microphone will be moved across, and then back. sorry... itv - sorry... itv news. the sorry... — itv news. the fact is, the trade between — itv news. the fact is, the trade between britain and china is now worth— between britain and china is now worth something in the region of £100 _ worth something in the region of £100 billion. are you saying to the government that they need to think again— government that they need to think again as _ government that they need to think again as to— government that they need to think again as to whether we should leave our economy that exposed in terms of whether— our economy that exposed in terms of whether we _ our economy that exposed in terms of whether we can actually protect our citizens _ whether we can actually protect our citizens at _ whether we can actually protect our citizens at the same time? yes, _ citizens at the same time? yes. you _ citizens at the same time? yes, you fire away. this threat about the impact it will have on— this threat about the impact it will have on countries' _ this threat about the impact it will have on countries' trade _ this threat about the impact it will have on countries' trade if- this threat about the impact it will have on countries' trade if they. have on countries' trade if they dare _ have on countries' trade if they dare to— have on countries' trade if they dare to stand _ have on countries' trade if they dare to stand up _ have on countries' trade if they dare to stand up and _ have on countries' trade if they dare to stand up and caught. have on countries' trade if theyl dare to stand up and caught out chiha's— dare to stand up and caught out china's abuses _ dare to stand up and caught out china's abuses is _ dare to stand up and caught out china's abuses is a _ dare to stand up and caught out china's abuses is a fiction. i dare to stand up and caught out| china's abuses is a fiction. every country— china's abuses is a fiction. every country which _ china's abuses is a fiction. every country which has _ china's abuses is a fiction. every country which has done - china's abuses is a fiction. every country which has done that i china's abuses is a fiction. every country which has done that has| country which has done that has actually— country which has done that has actually seen _ country which has done that has actually seen subsequently i country which has done that has actually seen subsequently an l actually seen subsequently an increase — actually seen subsequently an increase in— actually seen subsequently an increase in its— actually seen subsequently an increase in its trade _ actually seen subsequently an increase in its trade with i actually seen subsequently an. increase in its trade with china. the only— increase in its trade with china. the only time _ increase in its trade with china. the only time we _ increase in its trade with china. the only time we saw— increase in its trade with china. the only time we saw a - increase in its trade with china. i the only time we saw a downturn in trade _ the only time we saw a downturn in trade with— the only time we saw a downturn in trade with china _ the only time we saw a downturn in trade with china in _ the only time we saw a downturn in

trade with china in the _ the only time we saw a downturn in trade with china in the uk - the only time we saw a downturn in trade with china in the uk was i the only time we saw a downturn in trade with china in the uk was in i trade with china in the uk was in aboutor— trade with china in the uk was in aboutor nine _ trade with china in the uk was in aboutor nine years _ trade with china in the uk was in aboutor nine years ago, - trade with china in the uk was in aboutor nine years ago, in- trade with china in the uk was in aboutor nine years ago, in the i trade with china in the uk was in i aboutor nine years ago, in the midst of the _ aboutor nine years ago, in the midst of the golden— aboutor nine years ago, in the midst of the golden era. _ aboutor nine years ago, in the midst of the golden era. it— aboutor nine years ago, in the midst of the golden era. it is— aboutor nine years ago, in the midst of the golden era. it is a _ aboutor nine years ago, in the midst of the golden era. it is a complete . of the golden era. it is a complete fallacy— of the golden era. it is a complete fallacy that — of the golden era. it is a complete fattacy that if— of the golden era. it is a complete fallacy that if you _ of the golden era. it is a complete fallacy that if you call _ of the golden era. it is a complete fallacy that if you call out - of the golden era. it is a complete fallacy that if you call out china, . fallacy that if you call out china, instantly. — fallacy that if you call out china, instantly. all— fallacy that if you call out china, instantly, all the _ fallacy that if you call out china, instantly, all the trade - fallacy that if you call out china, instantly, all the trade and - instantly, all the trade and investment— instantly, all the trade and investment opportunities i instantly, all the trade and . investment opportunities dry instantly, all the trade and - investment opportunities dry up. briefly, _ investment opportunities dry up. briefly, iain— investment opportunities dry up. briefly, iain duncan— investment opportunities dry up. briefly, iain duncan smith, - investment opportunities dry up. briefly, iain duncan smith, if- investment opportunities dry up. briefly, iain duncan smith, if i i investment opportunities dry up. i briefly, iain duncan smith, if i can ask you. _ briefly, iain duncan smith, if i can ask you. as— briefly, iain duncan smith, if i can ask you. as a _ briefly, iain duncan smith, if i can ask you, as a former leader of the conservative party, whether you think _ conservative party, whether you think britain has micro—democracy has actually been compromised by this mass— has actually been compromised by this mass cyberattack? —— britain's democracy? — democracy? there is no question that is what those malign entities would want to happen. if you ask me have we been fast enough and quick enough and focused enough to deal with it, the answer has to be no. not for want of trying by the security services, i have to tell you, because i think they have been well aware of what this was. i go back to 2020, when some of our supposed the entry of huawei into 56. i thought the government received bad advice.

eventually, we were able to demonstrate it was not the case, and it was politicians, parliamentarians, that actually opposed that and stopped it. what we have hope since it was that we could stop it. we were sanctioned because we had on earth the xinjang genocide, and it is a genocide. even the un have suggested that is the case. because we got that, these were official documents, china were furious with those of us as individuals as well, you know the government sanctioned three very lowly officials, they went ahead and sanction ten of us, including one legal chambers, so the reality is, even the balance isn't correct right now and needs to be reset. certainly we need to be much stronger and tougher. if you are tough with people, the lesson we learn from the 19305, appeasement never works. if you are strong, you tell them what's wrong and you tell them you are not going to put up with it, and eventually, they will probably back down. but if you don't, theyjust

keep taking advantage of you, and thatis keep taking advantage of you, and that is a problem. thank you. beth rigby, sky news. a couple _ thank you. beth rigby, sky news. a couple of— thank you. beth rigby, sky news. a couple of questions if i may. the first, _ couple of questions if i may. the first, when— couple of questions if i may. the first, when you talk about resetting relations _ first, when you talk about resetting relations or — first, when you talk about resetting relations or a new watershed moment, you also— relations or a new watershed moment, you also suggest there is still division — you also suggest there is still division within government about the direction _ division within government about the direction of _ division within government about the direction of travel. as the prime mihister— direction of travel. as the prime minister on the wrong side of that, given— minister on the wrong side of that, given it _ minister on the wrong side of that, given it is — minister on the wrong side of that, given it is he today who talked about — given it is he today who talked about and epoch—defining challenge, rather— about and epoch—defining challenge, rather than saying china is a threat? _ rather than saying china is a threat? can you flesh that out a hit? _ threat? can you flesh that out a hit? and — threat? can you flesh that out a bit? and this has been going on for some _ bit? and this has been going on for some time — bit? and this has been going on for some time for all of you, and the electoral— some time for all of you, and the electoral commission attempts of cyber— electoral commission attempts of cyber attacks happened back in 2021-21— cyber attacks happened back in 2021-22. it is cyber attacks happened back in 2021—22. it is only now the prime mihister— 2021—22. it is only now the prime minister is — 2021—22. it is only now the prime minister is moving on it, and if i n1ay._ minister is moving on it, and if i may is— minister is moving on it, and if i may, is there an element too here of party— may, is there an element too here of party politics — may, is there an element too here of party politics for a prime minister who is— party politics for a prime minister who is struggling with his backbenchers? he has been in a row about— backbenchers? he has been in a row about rwanda, and he is perhaps

trying _ about rwanda, and he is perhaps trying to— about rwanda, and he is perhaps trying to bring this now, why now, perhaps— trying to bring this now, why now, perhaps in— trying to bring this now, why now, perhaps in order to try and unify the party— perhaps in order to try and unify the party a _ perhaps in order to try and unify the party a bit going into recess? is the party a bit going into recess? is their— the party a bit going into recess? is their domestic politics at play here? _ here? no, i don't here? — no, idon't think it is the way you no, i don't think it is the way you say at a tour. in your latter question, i certainly wouldn't think that would be the case, because i think most mps are already clear that china is a threat, and we don't go round in the tea rooms talking to each other about, gosh, go round in the tea rooms talking to each otherabout, gosh, have go round in the tea rooms talking to each other about, gosh, have you seen how epoch—defining they are, how challenging in and epoch sense. the question is that they are a threat, and what kind of advice to government is getting on that. they need to call a spade a spade, the reality is they are a threat. you talk to a lot of businesses, a lot of medium businesses are moving out of medium businesses are moving out of china now, because they get their ip stolen and can't deal with them. the legal system around them doesn't work. apple have moved their telephone manufacture to india because they are now beginning to worry about it. this is only

damaging to china at the end of the day. so we should stand up, call them what they are, and then say, if you deal with us, it is on the basis that we do not fully trust you. what that we do not fully trust you. what ou said that we do not fully trust you. what you said was _ that we do not fully trust you. what you said was that _ that we do not fully trust you. what you said was that there _ that we do not fully trust you. what you said was that there are - that we do not fully trust you. what you said was that there are still divisions— you said was that there are still divisions within government and your statenrentr _ divisions within government and your statement, about how to deal with this threat. inevitably, otherwise we would the threat. — inevitably, otherwise we would have an absolute settled order, and we don't. but it is the debates i am asked about how far you go, which is quite normal, i think. asked about how far you go, which is quite normal, ithink. but asked about how far you go, which is quite normal, i think. but the question for us now is, it is time for us to recognise, particularly with what we may well be seeing with the electoral commission stuff, that they have a malign influence and have therefore become a threat, and i think it's time we call them that. can i add to that? if you remember, we had _ can i add to that? if you remember, we had a _ can i add to that? if you remember, we had a vote — can i add to that? if you remember, we had a vote in— can i add to that? if you remember, we had a vote in parliament- can i add to that? if you remember, we had a vote in parliament on- can i add to that? if you remember, we had a vote in parliament on the i we had a vote in parliament on the genocide _ we had a vote in parliament on the genocide and — we had a vote in parliament on the genocide and it _ we had a vote in parliament on the genocide and it was _ we had a vote in parliament on the genocide and it was unanimous. i we had a vote in parliament on the - genocide and it was unanimous. there is no division — genocide and it was unanimous. there is no division amongst _ is no division amongst parliamentarians. - is no division amongst parliamentarians. it. is no division amongst parliamentarians. it isi is no division amongst - parliamentarians. it is not a is no division amongst _ parliamentarians. it is not a party political _ parliamentarians. it is not a party political matter. _ parliamentarians. it is not a party political matter. where _ parliamentarians. it is not a party political matter. where i- parliamentarians. it is not a party political matter. where i think- political matter. where i think there — political matter. where i think there is— political matter. where i think there is still— political matter. where i think there is still a _ political matter. where i think there is still a great— political matter. where i think there is still a great area - political matter. where i think there is still a great area is i political matter. where i thinki there is still a great area is the attitude — there is still a great area is the attitude of— there is still a great area is the attitude of the _ there is still a great area is the attitude of the foreign -

there is still a great area is the attitude of the foreign office l there is still a great area is the| attitude of the foreign office in particular. _ attitude of the foreign office in particular, which— attitude of the foreign office in particular, which doesn't - attitude of the foreign office in particular, which doesn't like i attitude of the foreign office ini particular, which doesn't like to rock— particular, which doesn't like to rock the — particular, which doesn't like to rock the boat _ particular, which doesn't like to rock the boat on _ particular, which doesn't like to rock the boat on these - particular, which doesn't like to| rock the boat on these matters, particular, which doesn't like to - rock the boat on these matters, and how much _ rock the boat on these matters, and how much ministers— rock the boat on these matters, and how much ministers may— rock the boat on these matters, and how much ministers may challengei how much ministers may challenge that _ how much ministers may challenge that. hopefully_ how much ministers may challenge that. hopefully now, _ how much ministers may challenge that. hopefully now, ministers- how much ministers may challenge that. hopefully now, ministers will| that. hopefully now, ministers will challenge — that. hopefully now, ministers will challenge that _ that. hopefully now, ministers will challenge that much _ that. hopefully now, ministers will challenge that much more - that. hopefully now, ministers will challenge that much more readily. | challenge that much more readily. back to _ challenge that much more readily. back to your— challenge that much more readily. back to your earlier— challenge that much more readily. back to your earlier point, - challenge that much more readily. back to your earlier point, and - challenge that much more readily. | back to your earlier point, and this is a question— back to your earlier point, and this is a question for— back to your earlier point, and this is a question for the _ back to your earlier point, and this is a question for the deputy - back to your earlier point, and this is a question for the deputy prime | is a question for the deputy prime minister— is a question for the deputy prime minister this— is a question for the deputy prime minister this afternoon _ is a question for the deputy prime minister this afternoon and - is a question for the deputy prime minister this afternoon and for- is a question for the deputy prime i minister this afternoon and for the press _ minister this afternoon and for the press as— minister this afternoon and for the press as well, _ minister this afternoon and for the press as well, it _ minister this afternoon and for the press as well, it is _ minister this afternoon and for the press as well, it is for _ minister this afternoon and for the press as well, it is for attacks - press as well, it is for attacks which — press as well, it is for attacks which nray— press as well, it is for attacks which may have _ press as well, it is for attacks which may have happened - press as well, it is for attacks i which may have happened back press as well, it is for attacks - which may have happened back in 2021. _ which may have happened back in 2021, there — which may have happened back in 2021, there will— which may have happened back in 2021, there will now— which may have happened back in 2021, there will now be _ which may have happened back in 2021, there will now be action - which may have happened back inl 2021, there will now be action 2.5, three _ 2021, there will now be action 2.5, three years — 2021, there will now be action 2.5, three years later, _ 2021, there will now be action 2.5, three years later, and _ 2021, there will now be action 2.5, three years later, and certainly- three years later, and certainly that remains— three years later, and certainly that remains something - three years later, and certainly that remains something of- three years later, and certainly that remains something of a i three years later, and certainly- that remains something of a mystery to us, _ that remains something of a mystery to us, and _ that remains something of a mystery to us, and what— that remains something of a mystery to us, and what pressure _ that remains something of a mystery to us, and what pressure may- that remains something of a mystery to us, and what pressure may therei to us, and what pressure may there have _ to us, and what pressure may there have treen— to us, and what pressure may there have been from _ to us, and what pressure may there have been from some _ to us, and what pressure may there have been from some of— to us, and what pressure may there have been from some of our- to us, and what pressure may there have been from some of our five i to us, and what pressure may there i have been from some of our five eyes partners _ have been from some of our five eyes partners and _ have been from some of our five eyes partners and others _ have been from some of our five eyes partners and others in _ have been from some of our five eyes partners and others in macro- have been from some of our five eyes partners and others in macro and - partners and others in macro and when _ partners and others in macro and when there — partners and others in macro and when there have _ partners and others in macro and when there have been _ partners and others in macro and when there have been recent- partners and others in macro and - when there have been recent attacks, they have _ when there have been recent attacks, they have responded _ when there have been recent attacks, they have responded much _ when there have been recent attacks, they have responded much more - they have responded much more speedily — they have responded much more speedily. so— they have responded much more speedily. so that _ they have responded much more speedily. so that is _ they have responded much more speedily. so that is certainly- they have responded much more speedily. so that is certainly a i speedily. so that is certainly a challenge _ speedily. so that is certainly a challenge for— speedily. so that is certainly a challenge for the _ speedily. so that is certainly a| challenge for the government, speedily. so that is certainly a - challenge for the government, why it has taken _ challenge for the government, why it has taken so — challenge for the government, why it has taken so long, _ challenge for the government, why it has taken so long, it _ challenge for the government, why it has taken so long, it would _ challenge for the government, why it has taken so long, it would appear, i has taken so long, it would appear, for this— has taken so long, it would appear, for this now— has taken so long, it would appear, for this now to— has taken so long, it would appear, for this now to be _ has taken so long, it would appear, for this now to be acted _ has taken so long, it would appear, for this now to be acted on. - for this now to be acted on. can— for this now to be acted on. can the _ for this now to be acted on. can the party— for this now to be acted on. can the party at _ for this now to be acted on. can the party at least - for this now to be acted on. can the party at least unifyi for this now to be acted on. . can the party at least unify on for this now to be acted on. - can the party at least unify on this issue _ can the party at least unify on this issue behind the prime minister in some _ issue behind the prime minister in some way? — some way? all- some way? all we are saying is the some way? — all we are saying is the parliament as united already, and it is self—evident really that that is the

case, and we just therefore want the government to take the right action. they are a threat, we are to call them one, and that then populates all the other arguments that take place inside parliament. == all the other arguments that take place inside parliament.- all the other arguments that take place inside parliament. -- we ought to call them — place inside parliament. -- we ought to call them one. _ to call them one. chris— to call them one. chris mason, bbc news. could you set out in _ chris mason, bbc news. could you set out in as— chris mason, bbc news. could you set out in as precise terms as you can what _ out in as precise terms as you can what you — out in as precise terms as you can what you have had to put up with as individuals? — what you have had to put up with as individuals? you talked, —— you talked — individuals? you talked, —— you talked about impersonation and attempted hacking. how has it been for you? _ attempted hacking. how has it been for you? and one additional question _ for you? and one additional question. you made a comparison a few moments ago with the 1930s, which _ few moments ago with the 1930s, which is _ few moments ago with the 1930s, which is obviously stark. is that the scale — which is obviously stark. is that the scale of the threat you see in terms _ the scale of the threat you see in terms of— the scale of the threat you see in terms of what the uk faces from china, _ terms of what the uk faces from china, that comparison with nearly a century— china, that comparison with nearly a century ago? the - century ago? the others have their own views, obviously, but personally, i have had a wolf warrior that was impersonating me for some time using a fake e—mail address, e—mailing all sorts of politicians around the

world, saying that i had recanted my views and also saying that basically i was a liar, all these sorts of things, to various people. i only came to know about it because i know some of them and they were sending these back to me saying, why are you sending me e—mails recanting and basically calling yourself a liar? and i was able to explain to them, it is not my e—mail address and it is not me. i won't say what happened, but eventually, he went quiet. we did know where he was in due course. so that's one thing. another thing is, we know many of us have had hacking attempts, some fairly shallow ones, but nonetheless, hacking, and some more serious, so those are the experiences. but i'm not alone in those. of course, you have this whole experience with russia to? i was here about a year ago with russia _ i was here about a year ago with russia where the bit that does not -et russia where the bit that does not get talked about in the parliamentary, the targeting of parliament as the staff front does

not get _ parliament as the staff front does not get talked enough about. when i