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it would transform diagnosis and means that people could be screened for dementia in their 50s, long before symptoms emerge. hello, i'm matthew amroliwala. welcome to verified live. after almost 20 years and an international manhunt, a court has found a 75—year—old man guilty of murdering a uk police officer by planning the armed robbery in which she was shot dead. 38—year—old officer pc sharon beshenivsky was shot and killed on her youngest daughter's fourth birthday as she arrived at the scene of the robbery in the city of bradford, in west yorkshire, in 2005. piran ditta khan spent nearly two decades evading justice. he was extradited from pakistan last year, the last of the seven men involved to face trial.
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our correspondent danny savage reports. killed in the line of duty, pc sharon beshenivsky shot dead responding to reports of a robbery. she was murdered on her daughter's fourth birthday. this was the scene in november 2005. an attack alarm had been activated at a travel agents in bradford. pc sharon beshenivsky�*s patrol car pulled up opposite. she and her colleague, pc teresa milburn, crossed the road to investigate. as sharon was approaching the door, the guys inside burst out and shot her down her vest. john brambani runs a nearby furniture shop. 18 years on, he's still shaken up by what he saw. when something like that happens on your doorstep, itjust makes
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you wonder how safe you are. you see it on television and things in america and other places, but in your own back yard, it's a bit frightening. this memorial now stands on the spot where pc sharon beshenivsky died. although only three men were involved in the actual raid here, there were seven members of the gang altogether. six of them were subsequently caught, but the seventh has only today been convicted. he fled the country soon after the shooting, and it took a long time to get him back. piran ditta khan went to pakistan. in 2020, he was arrested there and later sent back to the uk. he planned the raid and was a lookout on the day. now 75 years old, he has finally been convicted of sharon beshenivsky�*s murder. andy brennan was the senior police officer who led the murder investigation at the time. i think he's a very dangerous individual.
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despite his age, he...18 years ago, it was him who was entirely responsible for what had taken place, the organisation of that particular group committing that robbery. he was under the impression there would be a significant amount of money in there. and he was incredibly greedy, probably more violent than he comes across at the moment, as you'd expect. and i think some of those other offenders were looking up to him and saying, "yeah, you're the leader of this, we're here with you." so a dangerous individual. after her murder, sharon beshenivsky�*s husband paul visited the scene. he's had to live with those events since. ijust feel like it's just . reliving it all over again. it'sjust bringing it all back to light. l i love her very much and was very l full of herself in what she did, l and she enjoyed herjob to the full
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and enjoyed life to the full. - he's been in court for some of this last trial. to the police officer who led the hunt for her killers, there was one thing that still needs to be done. it would be nice for both officers to be formally recognised for the bravery which they showed entering those premises in the knowledge that there was something serious taking place there. and i think it would be appropriate for both officers to be recognised appropriately. the last of her killers has finally been convicted. west yorkshire police never gave up on hunting them down. danny savage, bbc news. now to the middle east, because three former supreme court justices are among more than 600 legal experts calling for the uk government to end weapons sales to israel. in a letter to the prime minister, they say exports must end, writing that "the provision of military assistance and material to israel may render the uk �*complicit�* in genocide as well as serious breaches of international humanitarian law." rishi sunak is already facing growing cross—party pressure after seven aid workers, including three britons, were killed in an air strike in gaza. well, i'm nowjoined
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by sir alan moses, former lord justice of the court of appeal and one of those who signed the letter. thank you for being here with us. tell us first of all while you are one of the signatories.- one of the signatories. well, i think it's an _ one of the signatories. well, i think it's an important - one of the signatories. well, i i think it's an important document because it makes clear that the united kingdom is under obligations that it signed up to and ought to obey. and it makes clear why, and it makes clear what the effect of those obligations are. how makes clear what the effect of those obligations are.— obligations are. how vital do you think it is now _ obligations are. how vital do you think it is now that _ obligations are. how vital do you think it is now that the _ think it is now that the uk publishes the legal advice that's been done? i publishes the legal advice that's been done?— publishes the legal advice that's been done? ., �* ~ , ., been done? i don't think it needs to ublish been done? i don't think it needs to publish the — been done? i don't think it needs to publish the legal _ been done? i don't think it needs to publish the legal advice. _ been done? i don't think it needs to publish the legal advice. i _ been done? i don't think it needs to publish the legal advice. i have - publish the legal advice. i have little doubt that the legal advice it's getting is it is under obligations under the treaty it voluntarily signed up to not to send weapons to countries where there is
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a reasonable likelihood of them being used in support of a campaign that has the effect of genocide. i was listening to lord sumption on bbc radio earlier in the day, another of the signatories, say there are limits and more people can do even in self—defense. i assume you share that basic position here. i would not concentrate so much on that. i would i would not concentrate so much on that. iwould more i would not concentrate so much on that. i would more concentrate on the fact that united kingdom signed a treaty, the genocide treaty, that imposes obligations on the united kingdom to obey and tells the united kingdom to obey and tells the united kingdom what it is bound to do in the sort of circumstances with which we are faced now. and there is no point in signing these treaties just for the form of it. they have a substance, in they impose substantial of duties for the protection of us as well as for the protection of us as well as for the protection of us as well as for the protection of other countries. 0ne protection of other countries. one day, we are going to have to face situations where we call in aid
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obligations of others under the treaties, and if we don't obey them now, we know what happens. wejust had the example of the league of nations. it's notjust a question of signing pieces of paper. in terms of a resnonse — signing pieces of paper. in terms of a response from _ signing pieces of paper. in terms of a response from the _ signing pieces of paper. in terms of a response from the government, i a response from the government, would you like to see in terms of the sort of restrictions, the sort of sanctions they could impose here? well, the most important is to stop giving licenses for the export of weapons. that seems to be the most immediate problem, and any other support that might be used in what is happening at the moment in gaza. in terms of the letter that you delivered, it also goes on the call for the resumption of funding for unrwa. how important is that? it is
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ve unrwa. how important is that? it 3 very important. of unrwa. how important is that? it 1 very important. of course it should be supporting unrwa. in very important. of course it should be supporting unrwa.— be supporting unrwa. in terms of sales of arms _ be supporting unrwa. in terms of sales of arms to _ be supporting unrwa. in terms of sales of arms to israel, _ be supporting unrwa. in terms of sales of arms to israel, we - be supporting unrwa. in terms of sales of arms to israel, we have i sales of arms to israel, we have heard a lot and the last a0 hours about the amount of the various uk trade deals, but the truth is the us are the critical players here. if the government was to respond to what you have requested, do you think it's an important lead that puts some sort of pressure, some sort of sign posting for washington to follow? is that important here as well? it to follow? is that important here as well? , ., well? it is important. i doubt whether the _ well? it is important. i doubt whether the united - well? it is important. i doubt whether the united states i well? it is important. i doubt whether the united states is| well? it is important. i doubt. whether the united states is in well? it is important. i doubt- whether the united states is in fact interested in the science or the messages, but it's important for our own respectability, for our own spirit. i say again why do we sign treaties, why do we engage in international obligations if we then don't obey them? and that's important for our legal system, and the protection of our citizens. we have to leave it there, but thank
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you so much forjoining us here on today's programme. thank you. thank ou ve today's programme. thank you. thank you very much- _ live to westminster now with our political correspondent harry farley. in terms of the decisions for the government and the prime minister, i know this comes from the foreign office in the first instance but there is huge pressure on rishi sunak. where are we in terms of decision—making? you sunak. where are we in terms of decision-making?— decision-making? you are right, matthew, this — decision-making? you are right, matthew, this is _ decision-making? you are right, matthew, this is ultimately - decision-making? you are right, matthew, this is ultimately a - matthew, this is ultimately a decision_ matthew, this is ultimately a decision for the prime minister. we heard _ decision for the prime minister. we heard there — decision for the prime minister. we heard there about the legal advice and we _ heard there about the legal advice and we understand there is an ongoing — and we understand there is an ongoing assessment currently happening in the foreign office to look at _ happening in the foreign office to look at the situation in gaza and review_ look at the situation in gaza and review whether the export licenses that currently exist to export arms to israeh — that currently exist to export arms to israel. we understand that review is nearly— to israel. we understand that review is nearly complete. the government does not _ is nearly complete. the government does not always publish when those reviews _ does not always publish when those
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reviews are happening, but i was there _ reviews are happening, but i was there there will be pressure on them to do— there there will be pressure on them to do so— there there will be pressure on them to do so in_ there there will be pressure on them to do so in this instance. but it's important — to do so in this instance. but it's important that that is just a legal advice _ important that that is just a legal advice. ultimately this is a political— advice. ultimately this is a political decision. i was speaking to someone earlier today familiar with the — to someone earlier today familiar with the process, familiar with the process— with the process, familiar with the process of— with the process, familiar with the process of how the government decides — process of how the government decides whether to grant arms export licenses, _ decides whether to grant arms export licenses, and they said that technically the person making the decision— technically the person making the decision is— technically the person making the decision is the business secretary, but realistically this is such a sensitive _ but realistically this is such a sensitive issue, whether to suspend arms— sensitive issue, whether to suspend arms licenses for a close ally in israet. — arms licenses for a close ally in israet. that— arms licenses for a close ally in israel, that is such a sensitive issue — israel, that is such a sensitive issue that _ israel, that is such a sensitive issue that ultimately you will be decision— issue that ultimately you will be decision made by the cabinet and is currently— decision made by the cabinet and is currently the prime minister, it rishi _ currently the prime minister, it rishi sunak. you write to say this is a very— rishi sunak. you write to say this is a very difficult decision and there — is a very difficult decision and there is— is a very difficult decision and there is really pressure mounting on rishi sunak— there is really pressure mounting on rishi sunak over whether he will suspend — rishi sunak over whether he will suspend or revoke arms licenses to israet _ suspend or revoke arms licenses to israel. �* ., , suspend or revoke arms licenses to israel. �* . , ., , , , israel. and as he grapples with it, it is another— israel. and as he grapples with it, it is another example _ israel. and as he grapples with it, it is another example of _ israel. and as he grapples with it, it is another example of splits - it is another example of splits within his own party. it's been fascinating watching over the last 2a hours because on bbc a little
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earlier with a former foreign office minister alan duncan absolutely blunt that there was a moral responsibility, a practical responsibility, a practical responsibility to stop arms sales, and then he had the former home secretary saying it would be a huge mistake. ., ., ., ., mistake. you are right and we have seen in the — mistake. you are right and we have seen in the past _ mistake. you are right and we have seen in the past and _ mistake. you are right and we have seen in the past and previous - mistake. you are right and we have| seen in the past and previous weeks how the _ seen in the past and previous weeks how the war— seen in the past and previous weeks how the war in gaza has caused difficulties for the labour party. this week, we are releasing how it's causing _ this week, we are releasing how it's causing difficulties for the conservative party as well and causing — conservative party as well and causing deep divisions. as you say, alan duncan — causing deep divisions. as you say, alan duncan very vocal in his opposition to what israel are doing and him _ opposition to what israel are doing and him saying that the government should _ and him saying that the government should revoke arms licenses as well essay— should revoke arms licenses as well essay the _ should revoke arms licenses as well essay the conservative party have said that — essay the conservative party have said that they have placed him under a disciplinary investigation and that could we understand you might result— that could we understand you might result in_ that could we understand you might result in his suspension. ps it back and say— result in his suspension. ps it back and say should they pursue that they would _ and say should they pursue that they would be _ and say should they pursue that they would be not surprised if this massively rebalanced and proved dangerously harmful to their reputation. so a war of words going
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on between — reputation. so a war of words going on between the conservative party and a _ on between the conservative party and a former conservative mp, alan duncan _ and a former conservative mp, alan duncan. worth saying that as you say there _ duncan. worth saying that as you say there are _ duncan. worth saying that as you say there are others in the party who hold verv— there are others in the party who hold very strong views on the other end of— hold very strong views on the other end of the — hold very strong views on the other end of the spectrum, he said the government should be supporting israel. _ government should be supporting israel, should be standing by israet — israel, should be standing by israet i_ israel, should be standing by israel. i got session one conservative mp and i asked him whether— conservative mp and i asked him whether he thought the government should _ whether he thought the government should revoke arms processes to israel— should revoke arms processes to israel and — should revoke arms processes to israel and he said cutting off arms licenses _ israel and he said cutting off arms licenses to— israel and he said cutting off arms licenses to hamas and hezbollah for iran. licenses to hamas and hezbollah for "an of_ licenses to hamas and hezbollah for iran. of course not. it will be stupid — iran. of course not. it will be stupid for— iran. of course not. it will be stupid for the west to pull support for the _ stupid for the west to pull support for the region possibly only democracy. so you get a flavour there _ democracy. so you get a flavour there of— democracy. so you get a flavour there of the pressure on the conservative party, pressure on the prime _ conservative party, pressure on the prime minister from a to revoke arms licenses _ prime minister from a to revoke arms licenses but _ prime minister from a to revoke arms licenses but also deep divisions in the party— licenses but also deep divisions in the party over this. a licenses but also deep divisions in the party over this.— the party over this. a quick final thou~ht the party over this. a quick final thought because _ the party over this. a quick final thought because you're - the party over this. a quick final thought because you're waiting | the party over this. a quick final i thought because you're waiting for the party over this. a quick final - thought because you're waiting for a readout from the call forjoe biden and benjamin netanyahu, the first on the list looking for since the death
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of the aid workers, rishi sunak had a conversation with israel's prime minister but what are the details that have emerged from that phone call? ., . , that have emerged from that phone call? ., ., , ,, ., ~ that have emerged from that phone call? ., . , ,, w . call? you are right, rishi sunak had a hone call? you are right, rishi sunak had a phone call— call? you are right, rishi sunak had a phone call a _ call? you are right, rishi sunak had a phone call a couple _ call? you are right, rishi sunak had a phone call a couple of— call? you are right, rishi sunak had a phone call a couple of nights - call? you are right, rishi sunak had a phone call a couple of nights ago | a phone call a couple of nights ago and we got — a phone call a couple of nights ago and we got a readout from that. it's obviously— and we got a readout from that. it's obviously not a transcript, is what number— obviously not a transcript, is what number ten obviously not a transcript, is what numberten say was obviously not a transcript, is what number ten say was said. but worth saving _ number ten say was said. but worth saying that — number ten say was said. but worth saying that the readout from that was unusually blunt in the language that was— was unusually blunt in the language that was used. rishi sunak told benjamin — that was used. rishi sunak told benjamin netanyahu that he was appalled by what it happened and he urged _ appalled by what it happened and he urged benjamin netanyahu to increase aid going _ urged benjamin netanyahu to increase aid going into gaza. it was striking because _ aid going into gaza. it was striking because the language was not one that you _ because the language was not one that you usually hear between two allies _ that you usually hear between two allies you — that you usually hear between two allies. you can remember israel is a close _ allies. you can remember israel is a close aliv— allies. you can remember israel is a close ally of — allies. you can remember israel is a close ally of the uk and the language that we had from that call was unusually blunt and direct and you got— was unusually blunt and direct and you got a — was unusually blunt and direct and you got a sense that certainly from the uk _ you got a sense that certainly from the uk side frustration is mounting at israel's —
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the uk side frustration is mounting at israel's actions and frustration also mounting at what you can government see as an insufficient aid getting into gaza.— government see as an insufficient aid getting into gaza. harry farley live there at _ aid getting into gaza. harry farley live there at westminster, - aid getting into gaza. harry farley live there at westminster, thanks | live there at westminster, thanks very much, thank you. around the world and across the uk, this is bbc news.
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life of abc news. a five—year trial will try to find out whether the tests can spot the early signs. blood tests for dementia will be offered at more than 50 memory clinics across the uk. the trials are being run by teams in oxford and london with thousands of volunteers, and the plan is to introduce screening for dementia in over—50s. fergus walsh reports. what can our blood tell us about our brain? this small trial in oxford
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is looking for clues. lucy, like many of the healthy volunteers, has a personalfamily motivation for being involved. the main driver for the dementia was because my mother had dementia, and ijust have very close personal experience of how miserable that is. i mean, she wasn't... fortunately, she was relatively old, she was in her 80s when it started, and she died at 97. but her last few years were really mired by the disease. what's your first language? over the next five years, around 5000 people will take part in research assessing blood tests to see how accurately they can identify various forms of dementia. most notably alzheimer's disease. in alzheimer's disease, rogue proteins can build up in the brain over 20 years before a person shows problems
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with memory and understanding. the test will search for biomarkers in the blood which can identify the early stages of dementia. if a reliable blood test for alzheimer's is eventually approved by the nhs, it would transform diagnosis and mean that people could be screened for dementia in their 50s, long before symptoms emerge. the studies will aim to include people from diverse backgrounds and ethnicities so a wide cross—section of society is represented. what's unique about these projects is the fact that we're going to roll. them out across multiple centres in the uk to really make them i accessible to people - who are attending day—to—day in memory clinics. but once we have that data and we understand if thesej tests are effective, _ absolutely the next stage could be i could they be used for screeningl
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in the community and primary care at an earlier age? around a third of patients with dementia never get a formal diagnosis, and only a tiny minority have access to specialist brain scans or spinal lumbar punctures, which are the gold standard test. new treatments may soon be licensed which can slow down the progress of alzheimer's, so accurate diagnosis is more important than ever. fergus walsh, bbc news. let's return to the middle east and a story getting quite a lot of attention online since it's been published. it comes from a collaboration between two independent outlets run by israeli and palestinian journalists called +972 magazine and local call. their investigation claims that israel is using a previously undisclosed ai targeting system called lavender in its war in gaza. the story is also now being reported by outlets such as the independent and the guardian.
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its headline, "the machine did it coldly — identifying 37,0000 hamas targets". the bbc hasn't independently verified details contained in the report, and the israeli military is denying the claims, saying they don't use al to identify or predict whether a person is a terrorist. the journalist behind the story is yuval abraham from +972 magazine and local call. he told me more about his investigation. so lavender is an ai—based system to create human targets, to mark them. so what it did at its peak, according to sources, we've used it, it managed to mark 37,000 palestinians in gaza as suspected low—level hamas orjihad militants. now, the way it works is, for people who don't know, like, the machine scanned most of the population in gaza,
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collecting surveillance information, and it gave each individual a rating between one to 100 based on how likely the machine thought that individual belonged to a military wing. it has a list of indicative features which are really small signs that could be, like, somebody is in a whatsapp group with the militants or somebody that replaces phones all the time, that raise or lower your rating. now, sources said, and this is very, very important, that this machine, when they were using it, the idf, knew that in approximately 10% of the cases, it was making what was regarded as errors. so it was marking people who were complete civilians or had a very loose connection to hamas. and the supervision in place for the first six weeks of the war was so minimal that one source says they would spend roughly 20 seconds per target just to listen. if the target was a male or a female and if it was a female, they cancelled it. if it was a male, they bombed without checking why the machine made the decisions that it made.
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now, let me ask you another question then, linked to the ai, because i read in your investigation there was also an additional automated system that had been dubbed where's daddy? so tell me what that was and how it impacted. yeah. so where is daddy? is the next step. where is daddy? is an automatic system that looks for these targets when they enter their family houses. so it scans thousands of people that were marked by the vendor, by the ai machine, and it alerts the intelligence officers the moment they enter their house. and the israeli military, according to numerous sources, carried out a policy of bombing these people using unguided missiles when they were in the most civilian spaces, when they were inside family houses, collapsing the house on itself and killing. often, according to sources, the predetermined limit was up to 20 palestinian civilians
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at the beginning of the war. per ai—marked junior suspected hamas operatives. now, sources said that the reason why they were using these unguided missiles, the so—called "dumb bombs", was because these targets that were generated were not considered important enough to, as one source said, waste expensive munitions on like more precise floor bombs that could hit only a particularfloor. you touched on the ratios in the middle of that answer, you were also told, i read that the ratios around collateral damage or civilian casualties were were changed after october the 7th. tell me more about that. yeah, they were. so i mean, again, sources described to me, you know, getting into the bases and people feeling, you know, grief for theirfriends being murdered or abducted into gaza. and the decision was to basically push the system that already existed to its peak. and they said that these predetermined collateral damage
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degrees, one source said it was at the beginning up to 20, another said it was up to 15 for the low—ranking alleged militants. they said it was several hundred people for the senior commanders, for a single assassination strike. i mean, like, 300 civilians were were accepted as collateral damage for the assassination against an officer, for example, 300. they said that's completely unprecedented compared to anything that was in the military. and one source said that the policy was so disproportionate. he believes there was an of revenge in it, that the reason why these fixed collateral damage degrees were so high was a way for events to express this disregard that was everywhere for palestinian civilian life, according to sources. i will come to the israeli military response in a moment or two but final question — did you get any information about how reliant the
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military of israel was on these ai systems in terms of the duration of the war? talking about the systems being in play now or in the early stages of this war?— stages of this war? from what i understand _ stages of this war? from what i understand and _ stages of this war? from what i understand and i _ stages of this war? from what i understand and i don't - stages of this war? from what i understand and i don't have - stages of this war? from what i j understand and i don't have the stages of this war? from what i - understand and i don't have the full picture on this, but from what i understand the policy of mass assassinating alleged ai marked low ranking operatives inside their houses stopped after two months. partially because israel destroyed most of the houses in gaza. 70% of the houses are destroyed. and also because there was pressure on israel to stop it. however, they are still using artificial intelligence to select more senior targets. they are still using artificial intelligence for different purposes, for drone strikes, ai can be used as well. talking to me earlier about his investigation.
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in response the idf says they direct its strikes only towards military targets, that they do not use an artificial intelligence system to identify or predict whether a person is a terrorist. the israeli forces say their analysts must conduct independent examinations to verify that the targets meet revelant information. they deny carrying out strikes when the expected collateral damage is excesive. and they outright reject the claims over any policy to kill tens of thousands of people in their homes. that is the response from the israeli military. that brings us to the end of this half—hour. you are watching bbc news. hello there. although it's been a pretty unsettled week, things are expected to ramp up further as we head into the weekend. we've got a named storm on the way to bring widespread gales. now, this area of low pressure's going to bring us a breezy, wet night across the board. outbreaks of rain, some of it heavy at times in the north and the west, will push northwards. as it pushes into the cold
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air across scotland, it's going to turn to sleet and snow, certainly snow over the high ground, even some sleet perhaps down to lower levels for a time. so quite a temperature contrast from north to south. very mild in the south, cold in the north. but it could be fairly disruptive over the high routes, for example the a9, for friday morning. this snowfall likely to accumulate for a time as it continues to move its way northwards. further south, any rain clears away from england and wales, and then it's sunshine and blustery showers. most of the showers will be in the north and the west. the odd heavier one for england and wales, and it stays windy for all. it also improves a little bit across scotland, stays on the cool side, not quite as chilly as recent days. further south, 15—17 or 18 celsius. now into the weekend, we see a new area of low pressure move in, a very deep feature. the irish met service, met eireann, have named this storm kathleen, because we'll see the biggest impacts with the winds across the republic of ireland. but widespread gales across the country, especially around irish sea coasts. it's going to scoop up some very warm air across the whole country. so early rain clears from scotland,
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the mild air will be as far north as the northern isles on saturday. blustery day for all areas. a lot of sunshine around, mind you, across eastern areas. it may stay dry altogether with only a few showers further west. but gusts could be up to 60, maybe 70 mph across this north—west corner. 30, a0, maybe 50 inland. and we could see temperatures up to 20—21 degrees, so warm and windy for saturday for most of us. as we head into sunday, storm kathleen passes to the north—west of the uk. again, another very windy day to come with gales in the north—west of the country. more showers around, we think some of them could be heavy. best of the sunshine towards the east, and it won't be quite as warm as saturday. temperatures reaching highs of around 17 degrees across the south—east. so that's the weekend out of the way. into the new, upcoming week, it stays relatively unsettled. in fact, on the mild side, but by the end of the week, we could start to see something more settled across the south.
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this is bbc news. the headlines... after nearly two decades and an internationl manhunt — the killer of british police officer — sharon beshenivsky — has been found guilty of her murder. following israel's strike — that killed seven aid workers — more than 600 lawyers sign a letter — calling for the uk, to stop arms sales to israel. countries bordering russia urge their nato allies like the uk — to reintroduce military conscription
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to deter vladimir putin. major uk airport delay the roll—out of new security scanners. and why fewer trees are being chopped down in the amazon. new data shows a major shift — we speak to the people behind the research. all of those stories are coming up. sport and for a full round—up, from the bbc sport centre, here's tolsen. hello from the bbc sport centre. we start with tennis and the news that the saudi arabian capital of riyadh will host the wta finals for the next three years and offer record prize money of 15.25m dollars. this year s finals, featuring the top eight singles players and doubles teams of the year, will take place in november. saudi arabia has been accused of using events to "sportswash" its reputation amid accusations of violating human rights and restricting women's lives and freedom of speech. the bbc�*s tennis correspondent, russell fuller, has more.

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