oj simpson is dead. the car chase, the murder trial, and then the acquiital that gripped america and the world. 28 years after being cleared of the murder of his former wife and her friend,

oj simpson dies of cancer. in a moment, thejournalist who piloted the helicopter that filmed that chase from a helicopter, the lawyer who defended him, and the reporter who sat through the whole trial. also tonight, legal documents we've obtained from university hospitals sussex reveal allegations of a gang culture in the neurosurgery department and claims of complex spinal surgery performed without adaquate training. i'm really shocked by reading the reports because it's notjust one report, its repeated reports over a long period of time, and the fact that those concerns of whistle—blowers continue to this day. so this is just completely unacceptable. from ukraine, the extraordinary life saving medics of the 28th mechanised brigade on the eastern front.

and this... and i'm here to save you again. baldur�*s gate sweeps the video games baftas. chris van der kuyl�*s company helped develop minecraft. we'll ask him, is gaming now the future of entertainment? good evening. the oj simpson scandal raised the barfor celebrity drama — months of police investigations, screaming headlines, vituperative commentary, and then that car chase in 1994. the nfl star's subsequent trial, aired on television to a similarly huge audience, making the events still two of the most watched spectacles ever. and his acquittal on a double murder charge, of killing his ex—wife nicole brown and herfriend ron goldman, gripped and divided people all over america, and haunted him ever since. here's a reminder of the drama that kickstarted reality tv.

its oj simpson's superstar status as a record—breaking football player and more likely a media personality, appearing regularly in films and television, which makes his ball from grace so hard for his fans to take. �* .. from grace so hard for his fans to take. �* h, w ., ., ., take. the american actor and former football star — take. the american actor and former football star oj _ take. the american actor and former football star oj simpson _ take. the american actor and former football star oj simpson is _ take. the american actor and former football star oj simpson is in - take. the american actor and former football star oj simpson is in jail - football star oj simpson is injail tonight, — football star oj simpson is injail tonight, accused of murdering his ex-wife _ tonight, accused of murdering his ex—wife and her male friend. his arrest _ ex—wife and her male friend. his arrest came _ ex—wife and her male friend. his arrest came after a 50 mile police chase _ arrest came after a 50 mile police chase across southern california. it was broadcast live on national television. was broadcast live on national television-— television. this is one of the scenes that _ television. this is one of the scenes that would _ television. this is one of the scenes that would only - television. this is one of the i scenes that would only happen television. this is one of the - scenes that would only happen in southern california. the former american football star oj simpson _ the former american football star oj simpson has been found not guilty of murdering _ simpson has been found not guilty of murdering his ex—wife nicole and her friend. _ murdering his ex—wife nicole and her friend, ronald goldman. new

developments _ friend, ronald goldman. new developments today - friend, ronald goldman. ii? developments today in the murder case that has mesmerised so many americans. we case that has mesmerised so many americans-— case that has mesmerised so many americans. ~ , ., ,., americans. we the “my in the above entitled action — americans. we the “my in the above entitled action find — americans. we the jury in the above entitled action find the _ americans. we the jury in the above entitled action find the defendant i entitled action find the defendant orenthal— entitled action find the defendant orenthaljames _ entitled action find the defendant orenthaljames simpson - entitled action find the defendant orenthaljames simpson not - entitled action find the defendant. orenthaljames simpson not guilty entitled action find the defendant - orenthaljames simpson not guilty of the crime _ orenthaljames simpson not guilty of the crime of— orenthaljames simpson not guilty of the crime of murder. _ orenthaljames simpson not guilty of the crime of murder. he— orenthaljames simpson not guilty of the crime of murder. he is— orenthaljames simpson not guilty of the crime of murder.— the crime of murder. he is free at last. the crime of murder. he is free at last- free — the crime of murder. he is free at last- free at _ the crime of murder. he is free at last. free at last! _ the crime of murder. he is free at last. free at last! free _ the crime of murder. he is free at last. free at last! free at - the crime of murder. he is free at last. free at last! free at last! - the crime of murder. he is free at last. free at last! free at last! 0” last. free at last! free at last! oj simpson is going to prison. 13 years after— simpson is going to prison. 13 years after his— simpson is going to prison. 13 years after his sensational double murder acquittai _ after his sensational double murder acuuittal. ,, , after his sensational double murder acuuittal. ,, . ., acquittal. simpson was convicted of readin: an acquittal. simpson was convicted of reading an armed _ acquittal. simpson was convicted of reading an armed hold-up - acquittal. simpson was convicted of reading an armed hold-up of - acquittal. simpson was convicted of reading an armed hold-up of sports reading an armed hold—up of sports memorabilia — reading an armed hold—up of sports memorabilia dealers— reading an armed hold—up of sports memorabilia dealers in— reading an armed hold—up of sports memorabilia dealers in a _ reading an armed hold—up of sports memorabilia dealers in a las- reading an armed hold—up of sports memorabilia dealers in a las vegas| memorabilia dealers in a las vegas hotei— memorabilia dealers in a las vegas hotel last _ memorabilia dealers in a las vegas hotel last year _ memorabilia dealers in a las vegas hotel last year. i— memorabilia dealers in a las vegas hotel last year-— hotel last year. i wasn't there to hurt anybody. — hotel last year. i wasn't there to hurt anybody. i _ hotel last year. i wasn't there to hurt anybody, i just _ hotel last year. i wasn't there to hurt anybody, i just wanted - hotel last year. i wasn't there to hurt anybody, i just wanted my l hurt anybody, ijust wanted my personal things. hurt anybody, ijust wanted my personalthings. i hurt anybody, ijust wanted my personal things. i realise now it was stupid. i am sorry. personalthings. i realise now it was stupid. i am sorry.- personalthings. i realise now it was stupid. i am sorry. nine years later, he appeared _ was stupid. i am sorry. nine years later, he appeared before - was stupid. i am sorry. nine years i later, he appeared before the parole board by video link from prison, stating his case for freedom. i'm joined now by alan dershowitz,

who defended oj simpson in that infamous trial, david goldstein, who covered every day of the trial, and zoe tur, who was in the helicopter filming that infamous car chase. good evening to you all. david goldstein, first of all, we are focusing very much on oj simpson today, but where are the victims of�* families in all of this today? timer;r families in all of this today? they ut out families in all of this today? they put out some _ families in all of this today? they put out some statements. - families in all of this today? they put out some statements. i - families in all of this today? tie: put out some statements. i don't know if it is finality for them, but they are put out some statements. i think that is what everyone has to think that is what everyone has to think about. oj simpson passed away and we are sorry for his family, but there are still two grieving families that have been grieving all these years and still will be grieving, even though we call this the oj simpson trial, it was really the oj simpson trial, it was really the trial about to back people who were brutally murdered. zoe. the trial about to back people who were brutally murdered.— the trial about to back people who were brutally murdered. zoe, can you take us back — were brutally murdered. zoe, can you take us back to _ were brutally murdered. zoe, can you take us back to the _ were brutally murdered. zoe, can you take us back to the moment - were brutally murdered. zoe, can you take us back to the moment that - were brutally murdered. zoe, can you take us back to the moment that day| take us back to the moment that day that you got the call to follow the car chase, that bronco car? tell me

about the moment you got the call. well, i was downtown and i was waiting — well, i was downtown and i was waiting for oj simpson to turn himself— waiting for oj simpson to turn himself in. when he didn't and the police _ himself in. when he didn't and the police spokesperson said he was in the wind, — police spokesperson said he was in the wind, he was a fugitive, i climbed _ the wind, he was a fugitive, i climbed aboard the helicopter and decided _ climbed aboard the helicopter and decided i— climbed aboard the helicopter and decided i was going to find him. so iflew— decided i was going to find him. so ifiew to _ decided i was going to find him. so i flew to orange county, i thought he might— i flew to orange county, i thought he might go to the grave site of nicole _ he might go to the grave site of nicole simpson brown. sol he might go to the grave site of nicole simpson brown. so i flew down there. it _ nicole simpson brown. so i flew down there, it was a 20 minute flight, normally— there, it was a 20 minute flight, normally 90 minutes by car, and i was at _ normally 90 minutes by car, and i was at the grave site. i didn't see him. i_ was at the grave site. i didn't see him, i saw an undercover police unit staking _ him, i saw an undercover police unit staking out the area. i decided to stay in _ staking out the area. i decided to stay in the — staking out the area. i decided to stay in the area. it was about that time _ stay in the area. it was about that time that— stay in the area. it was about that time that the fbi was talking about having _ time that the fbi was talking about having triangulated oj simpson's position— having triangulated oj simpson's position to be in the area of southern _ position to be in the area of southern orange county. i looked

below _ southern orange county. i looked below and — southern orange county. i looked below and there was a white bronco. withih_ below and there was a white bronco. within a _ below and there was a white bronco. within a minute, there was a police vehicle. _ within a minute, there was a police vehicle, then another police vehicle. _ vehicle, then another police vehicle, another police vehicle. so we knew— vehicle, another police vehicle. so we knew we had the right vehicle at that point — we knew we had the right vehicle at that point. with a flip of the switch. _ that point. with a flip of the switch, we went on the air and had close _ switch, we went on the air and had close to _ switch, we went on the air and had close to 100 — switch, we went on the air and had close to 100 million viewers. before we come onto _ close to 100 million viewers. before we come onto those _ close to 100 million viewers. before we come onto those views, - close to 100 million viewers. before we come onto those views, how- close to 100 million viewers. before | we come onto those views, how long were you in the air? were you anticipating being in the air that long? we anticipating being in the air that lona ? ~ . , anticipating being in the air that lona ? ~ ., , anticipating being in the air that lonu? ., , ., long? we had fuelled up, so we had three and a — long? we had fuelled up, so we had three and a half— long? we had fuelled up, so we had three and a half hours. _ long? we had fuelled up, so we had three and a half hours. in _ long? we had fuelled up, so we had three and a half hours. in covering l three and a half hours. in covering the pursuit, — three and a half hours. in covering the pursuit, there was one point where _ the pursuit, there was one point where we — the pursuit, there was one point where we had to stop and get fuel. we did _ where we had to stop and get fuel. we did so— where we had to stop and get fuel. we did so and got back over the pursuit — we did so and got back over the pursuit. we were able to stay aloft throughout the entire ordeal. oj simpson — throughout the entire ordeal. oj simpson eventually made it to rockingham where he gave himself up. then he _ rockingham where he gave himself up. then he was— rockingham where he gave himself up. then he was taken into custody. at that then he was taken into custody. that point, then he was taken into custody. git that point, did you have any idea when you are in the airjust how many millions of people were

watching?— many millions of people were watchinu? ., �* ., ., , watching? no, i didn't have any idea. i watching? no, i didn't have any idea- i knew— watching? no, i didn't have any idea. i knew it _ watching? no, i didn't have any idea. i knew it was _ watching? no, i didn't have any idea. i knew it was a _ watching? no, i didn't have any idea. i knew it was a national i watching? no, i didn't have any. idea. i knew it was a national news story, _ idea. i knew it was a national news story, knew— idea. i knew it was a national news story, knew the world was interested, but i didn't realise that type _ interested, but i didn't realise that type of interest. it was the scope _ that type of interest. it was the scope of — that type of interest. it was the scope of the century.— scope of the century. alan dershowitz, _ scope of the century. alan dershowitz, were - scope of the century. alan dershowitz, were you - scope of the century. giiag'i dershowitz, were you watching that car chase from the air that zoe was talking about? i car chase from the air that zoe was talking about?— talking about? i was watching the national basketball _ talking about? i was watching the national basketball association i national basketball association finals _ national basketball association finals with _ national basketball association finals with my— national basketball association finals with my family— national basketball association finals with my family in - national basketball association - finals with my family in charleston, south _ finals with my family in charleston, south carolina, _ finals with my family in charleston, south carolina, when _ finals with my family in charleston, south carolina, when they - south carolina, when they interrupted _ south carolina, when they interrupted the _ south carolina, when they interrupted the game - south carolina, when they interrupted the game to i south carolina, when they - interrupted the game to show the chase _ interrupted the game to show the chase i_ interrupted the game to show the chase. i turned _ interrupted the game to show the chase. i turned to _ interrupted the game to show the chase. i turned to my— interrupted the game to show the chase. i turned to my family- interrupted the game to show the chase. i turned to my family and i said, _ chase. i turned to my family and i said. he _ chase. i turned to my family and i said. he is— chase. i turned to my family and i said, he is obviously— chase. i turned to my family and i said, he is obviously guilty. - chase. i turned to my family and i said, he is obviously guilty. he i said, he is obviously guilty. he is running _ said, he is obviously guilty. he is running away, _ said, he is obviously guilty. he is running away, he _ said, he is obviously guilty. he is running away, he is _ said, he is obviously guilty. he is running away, he is the - said, he is obviously guilty. he is running away, he is the spouse, i said, he is obviously guilty. he is. running away, he is the spouse, he has a _ running away, he is the spouse, he has a record — running away, he is the spouse, he has a record of— running away, he is the spouse, he has a record of beating _ running away, he is the spouse, he has a record of beating his- running away, he is the spouse, he has a record of beating his wife. i has a record of beating his wife. this is— has a record of beating his wife. this is a — has a record of beating his wife. this is a pretty— has a record of beating his wife. this is a pretty easy— has a record of beating his wife. this is a pretty easy case, - has a record of beating his wife. this is a pretty easy case, you i has a record of beating his wife. i this is a pretty easy case, you will probably— this is a pretty easy case, you will probably plead _ this is a pretty easy case, you will probably plead guilty _ this is a pretty easy case, you will probably plead guilty and - this is a pretty easy case, you will probably plead guilty and try- this is a pretty easy case, you will probably plead guilty and try to i probably plead guilty and try to claim _ probably plead guilty and try to claim some _ probably plead guilty and try to claim some abuse _ probably plead guilty and try to claim some abuse excuse. - probably plead guilty and try to claim some abuse excuse. likej probably plead guilty and try to - claim some abuse excuse. like most people. _ claim some abuse excuse. like most people. i_ claim some abuse excuse. like most people. i thought _ claim some abuse excuse. like most people. i thought he _ claim some abuse excuse. like most people, i thought he had _ claim some abuse excuse. like most people, ithought he had probably. people, i thought he had probably done it _ people, i thought he had probably done it at— people, i thought he had probably done it. �* ., done it. at that point, with those views and with _ done it. at that point, with those views and with those _ done it. at that point, with those views and with those thoughts i done it. at that point, with those views and with those thoughts in | views and with those thoughts in your head, why did you decide to

become part of what was called the dream legal team?— become part of what was called the dream legal team? dream legalteam? because he was facin: the dream legalteam? because he was facing the death _ dream legalteam? because he was facing the death penalty. _ dream legalteam? because he was facing the death penalty. i - dream legalteam? because he was facing the death penalty. i never i facing the death penalty. i never turn down — facing the death penalty. i never turn down a _ facing the death penalty. i never turn down a death _ facing the death penalty. i never turn down a death penalty- facing the death penalty. i never turn down a death penalty case. | facing the death penalty. i never- turn down a death penalty case. when ben shapiro _ turn down a death penalty case. when ben shapiro called _ turn down a death penalty case. when ben shapiro called me _ turn down a death penalty case. when ben shapiro called me and _ turn down a death penalty case. when ben shapiro called me and said - turn down a death penalty case. when ben shapiro called me and said we - ben shapiro called me and said we need _ ben shapiro called me and said we need you _ ben shapiro called me and said we need you to — ben shapiro called me and said we need you to join _ ben shapiro called me and said we need you to join the _ ben shapiro called me and said we need you to join the defence - ben shapiro called me and said we need you to join the defence team| ben shapiro called me and said we i need you to join the defence team as a scientific— need you to join the defence team as a scientific expert _ need you to join the defence team as a scientific expert and _ need you to join the defence team as a scientific expert and legal - need you to join the defence team as a scientific expert and legal expert i a scientific expert and legal expert to keep _ a scientific expert and legal expert to keep him — a scientific expert and legal expert to keep him from _ a scientific expert and legal expert to keep him from being _ a scientific expert and legal expert to keep him from being executed, | a scientific expert and legal expertl to keep him from being executed, i said. _ to keep him from being executed, i said. look. — to keep him from being executed, i said. look. it— to keep him from being executed, i said, look, it is _ to keep him from being executed, i said, look, it is hard _ to keep him from being executed, i said, look, it is hard because - to keep him from being executed, i said, look, it is hard because i've i said, look, it is hard because i've already— said, look, it is hard because i've already said _ said, look, it is hard because i've already said i_ said, look, it is hard because i've already said i thought _ said, look, it is hard because i've already said i thought he - said, look, it is hard because i've already said i thought he was - already said i thought he was probably— already said i thought he was probably guilty _ already said i thought he was probably guilty. i— already said i thought he was probably guilty. i was - already said i thought he was probably guilty. i was on - already said i thought he was - probably guilty. i was on television the morning — probably guilty. i was on television the morning after— probably guilty. i was on television the morning after the _ probably guilty. i was on television the morning after the arrest - probably guilty. i was on television the morning after the arrest and ii the morning after the arrest and i said that — the morning after the arrest and i said that i — the morning after the arrest and i said that i thought— the morning after the arrest and i said that i thought he _ the morning after the arrest and i said that i thought he was- the morning after the arrest and i. said that i thought he was probably guilty~ _ said that i thought he was probably guilty~ bob — said that i thought he was probably guilty~ bob said. _ said that i thought he was probably guilty. bob said, everybody- said that i thought he was probably guilty. bob said, everybody thinksl guilty. bob said, everybody thinks he is _ guilty. bob said, everybody thinks he is probably— guilty. bob said, everybody thinks he is probably guilty— guilty. bob said, everybody thinks he is probably guilty based - guilty. bob said, everybody thinks he is probably guilty based on- guilty. bob said, everybody thinks he is probably guilty based on the| he is probably guilty based on the evidence — he is probably guilty based on the evidence that _ he is probably guilty based on the evidence that we _ he is probably guilty based on the evidence that we have _ he is probably guilty based on the evidence that we have seen - he is probably guilty based on the evidence that we have seen now, | evidence that we have seen now, let's— evidence that we have seen now, let's give — evidence that we have seen now, let's give a — evidence that we have seen now, let's give a good _ evidence that we have seen now, let's give a good hard _ evidence that we have seen now, let's give a good hard look- evidence that we have seen now, let's give a good hard look at- evidence that we have seen now, let's give a good hard look at alll let's give a good hard look at all the evidence _ let's give a good hard look at all the evidence and _ let's give a good hard look at all the evidence and let's _ let's give a good hard look at all the evidence and let's see - let's give a good hard look at all the evidence and let's see if- let's give a good hard look at all the evidence and let's see if we| let's give a good hard look at all. the evidence and let's see if we can -et the evidence and let's see if we can get him _ the evidence and let's see if we can get him off— the evidence and let's see if we can get him off the _ the evidence and let's see if we can get him off the death _ the evidence and let's see if we can get him off the death penalty. - the evidence and let's see if we can get him off the death penalty. if. get him off the death penalty. if the other— get him off the death penalty. if the other side _ get him off the death penalty. if the other side had _ get him off the death penalty. if the other side had called - get him off the death penalty. if the other side had called me - get him off the death penalty. if. the other side had called me first, i the other side had called me first, i probably— the other side had called me first, i probably would _ the other side had called me first, i probably would have _ the other side had called me first, | i probably would have represented them~ _ i probably would have represented them. in _ i probably would have represented them. ., . ., , , i probably would have represented them. ., , , g, them. in that case, in terms of the leual them. in that case, in terms of the legal procedure, _ them. in that case, in terms of the legal procedure, what _ them. in that case, in terms of the legal procedure, what you - them. in that case, in terms of the legal procedure, what you did - them. in that case, in terms of the legal procedure, what you did was| them. in that case, in terms of the i legal procedure, what you did was so evident and what was being done with evidence, did that, as it were,

reinforce your decision to take the case for a legal reason? we proved conclusively. _ case for a legal reason? we proved conclusively, without _ case for a legal reason? we proved conclusively, without any _ case for a legal reason? we proved conclusively, without any doubt, i conclusively, without any doubt, that there — conclusively, without any doubt, that there are _ conclusively, without any doubt, that there are a _ conclusively, without any doubt, that there are a policeman - conclusively, without any doubt, that there are a policeman in - conclusively, without any doubt, | that there are a policeman in los angeies — that there are a policeman in los angeies that _ that there are a policeman in los angeles that had _ that there are a policeman in los angeles that had poured - that there are a policeman in los angeles that had poured blood i that there are a policeman in losl angeles that had poured blood on that there are a policeman in los- angeles that had poured blood on oj simpson's _ angeles that had poured blood on oj simpson's soc — angeles that had poured blood on oj simpson's soc in _ angeles that had poured blood on oj simpson's soc in order— angeles that had poured blood on oj simpson's soc in order to _ angeles that had poured blood on oj simpson's soc in order to frame - simpson's soc in order to frame somebody— simpson's soc in order to frame somebody that _ simpson's soc in order to frame somebody that he _ simpson's soc in order to frame somebody that he believed - simpson's soc in order to frame somebody that he believed was| somebody that he believed was guilty. — somebody that he believed was guilty. in — somebody that he believed was guilty. in order— somebody that he believed was guilty, in order to _ somebody that he believed was guilty, in order to enhance - somebody that he believed was guilty, in order to enhance thel guilty, in order to enhance the evidence _ guilty, in order to enhance the evidence. the _ guilty, in order to enhance the evidence. the blood _ guilty, in order to enhance the evidence. the blood that - guilty, in order to enhance the evidence. the blood that he i guilty, in order to enhance the - evidence. the blood that he bought on the _ evidence. the blood that he bought on the sock. — evidence. the blood that he bought on the sock, unbeknownst - evidence. the blood that he bought on the sock, unbeknownst to - evidence. the blood that he bought on the sock, unbeknownst to him, i on the sock, unbeknownst to him, contained — on the sock, unbeknownst to him, contained a — on the sock, unbeknownst to him, contained a chemical— on the sock, unbeknownst to him, contained a chemical that - on the sock, unbeknownst to him, contained a chemical that is - on the sock, unbeknownst to him, contained a chemical that is not i contained a chemical that is not found _ contained a chemical that is not found in— contained a chemical that is not found in the _ contained a chemical that is not found in the human _ contained a chemical that is not found in the human body, - contained a chemical that is not found in the human body, it- contained a chemical that is not found in the human body, it is. contained a chemical that is not. found in the human body, it is only put in _ found in the human body, it is only put in to— found in the human body, it is only put in to prevent _ found in the human body, it is only put in to prevent coagulation. - found in the human body, it is only put in to prevent coagulation. soi found in the human body, it is onlyl put in to prevent coagulation. so we cut him _ put in to prevent coagulation. so we cut him flat — put in to prevent coagulation. so we cut him flat out. _ put in to prevent coagulation. so we cut him flat out. the _ put in to prevent coagulation. so we cut him flat out. the blood - put in to prevent coagulation. so we cut him flat out. the blood from - put in to prevent coagulation. so we cut him flat out. the blood from thej cut him flat out. the blood from the sock showed — cut him flat out. the blood from the sock showed it — cut him flat out. the blood from the sock showed it had _ cut him flat out. the blood from the sock showed it had been— cut him flat out. the blood from the sock showed it had been put- cut him flat out. the blood from the sock showed it had been put on- cut him flat out. the blood from the sock showed it had been put on the| sock showed it had been put on the sock showed it had been put on the sock when — sock showed it had been put on the sock when it— sock showed it had been put on the sock when it was _ sock showed it had been put on the sock when it was lying _ sock showed it had been put on the sock when it was lying flat, - sock showed it had been put on the sock when it was lying flat, not - sock when it was lying flat, not when _ sock when it was lying flat, not when it — sock when it was lying flat, not when it was _ sock when it was lying flat, not when it was being _ sock when it was lying flat, not when it was being worn. - sock when it was lying flat, not when it was being worn. you i sock when it was lying flat, not when it was being worn. you are coverin: when it was being worn. you are covering this _ when it was being worn. you are covering this every _ when it was being worn. you are covering this every single - when it was being worn. you are covering this every single day, l covering this every single day, david goldstein, what did you make of the jury selection? thea;r david goldstein, what did you make of the jury selection?— of the jury selection? they took weeks and _ of the jury selection? they took weeks and weeks _ of the jury selection? they took weeks and weeks with - of the jury selection? they took weeks and weeks with the - of the jury selection? they took weeks and weeks with the jury l weeks and weeks with the jury selection. everybody sorta plays the of who they want, this person, also

african—american, they wanted them on the jury. that was an intricate part of it. but the entire case, this town, as well as the world, but certainly this town, everybody was watching every single move of all the attorneys, the lawyers. a lot of people getting their first hand look at the judicial system, people getting their first hand look at thejudicialsystem, or people getting their first hand look at the judicial system, or what they thought was the judicial system, but a lot of those attorneys and there, certainly defence attorneys knew how to play to the camera is amply to the media. they did a greatjob. this the media. they did a greatjob. as alan said, the evidence of the blood on the glove didn't pass muster. you must have been pretty aware of that from the legal team very early on, as well? . , , from the legal team very early on, as well? ., , , , ., , as well? certainly. they brought up as well? certainly. they brought up a lot of things- _ as well? certainly. they brought up a lot of things. johnnie _ as well? certainly. they brought up a lot of things. johnnie cochran, . a lot of things. johnnie cochran, the lead attorney, everybody knew johnny, he was a big attorney in town for a number of years. before that case. johnny knew how to work

the media and reporters, and they presented a great case. you have to realise also this is coming from a time in the early 90s when a lot of people were questioning a lot of minorities were questioning the lapd and the lapd�*s tactics. it was a couple of years after the rodney king case, the man who was beaten by lapd officers, the officers got off on that case, at least in the first trial. they were found not guilty. so there was a lot of mistrust in this town on police officers, so you have somebody like that, the detective who may have done something that was just mentioned there, everybody is going to jump on things like that, everyone was questioning the tactics of the police department.— questioning the tactics of the police department. zoe, was it surprising _ police department. zoe, was it surprising to — police department. zoe, was it surprising to you _ police department. zoe, was it surprising to you that - police department. zoe, was it surprising to you that the - police department. zoe, was it surprising to you that the da's| surprising to you that the da's office did not bring up any evidence from the car chase? thea;r office did not bring up any evidence from the car chase?— from the car chase? they were precluded _ from the car chase? they were precluded from _ from the car chase? they were precluded from it _ from the car chase? they were precluded from it in _ from the car chase? they were precluded from it in motions, l from the car chase? they were i precluded from it in motions, but they also—

precluded from it in motions, but they also don't like mr dershowitz talks about evidence, oj simpson acknowledged that he killed nicole simpson brown and ron goldman. he wrote _ simpson brown and ron goldman. he wrote a _ simpson brown and ron goldman. he wrote a book called if i did it and then— wrote a book called if i did it and then he _ wrote a book called if i did it and then he also did a television show by the same name. during that show, several— by the same name. during that show, several times he acknowledged and admitted _ several times he acknowledged and admitted that he killed those two victims _ admitted that he killed those two victims i— admitted that he killed those two victims. i mean, ithink it admitted that he killed those two victims. i mean, i think it is despicable to start debating evidence right now. you know, my heart _ evidence right now. you know, my heart is _ evidence right now. you know, my heart is with — evidence right now. you know, my heart is with the two victims. they didn't— heart is with the two victims. they didn't die — heart is with the two victims. they didn't die in— heart is with the two victims. they didn't die in a bed at 76 years old, surrounded — didn't die in a bed at 76 years old, surrounded by family members. did ou surrounded by family members. you ever surrounded by family members. d c you ever meet him? surrounded by family members. did you ever meet him? yes, _ surrounded by family members. did you ever meet him? yes, of - surrounded by family members. did| you ever meet him? yes, of course. he lived two — you ever meet him? yes, of course. he lived two bridges _ you ever meet him? yes, of course. he lived two bridges over _ you ever meet him? yes, of course. he lived two bridges over from - you ever meet him? yes, of course. l he lived two bridges over from where i he lived two bridges over from where i live _ he lived two bridges over from where i live he _ he lived two bridges over from where i live. he was well— known for abusing — i live. he was well— known for abusing his wife. i knew the patrol officers _ abusing his wife. i knew the patrol officers in — abusing his wife. i knew the patrol officers in the area. in fact, the senior— officers in the area. in fact, the senior lead _ officers in the area. in fact, the senior lead officer from the lapd literally—

senior lead officer from the lapd literally told me that he told oj simpson, you are going to kill this woman _ simpson, you are going to kill this woman you — simpson, you are going to kill this woman. you need to get help and you need to— woman. you need to get help and you need to stop — woman. you need to get help and you need to stop this. but oj simpson was protected by the lapd for years. alan dershowitz, can ijust pick up on what david goldstein was saying. the point, we had had the race riots in 92, we had had the attack on rodney king, do you think race played a big part in the trial and its coverage?— its coverage? first of all, it was the prosecution _ its coverage? first of all, it was the prosecution who _ its coverage? first of all, it was the prosecution who primarily i the prosecution who primarily selected _ the prosecution who primarily selected the _ the prosecution who primarily selected the jury. _ the prosecution who primarily selected the jury. they - the prosecution who primarilyl selected the jury. they wanted the prosecution who primarily- selected the jury. they wanted nine black— selected the jury. they wanted nine black women— selected the jury. they wanted nine black women on _ selected the jury. they wanted nine black women on the _ selected the jury. they wanted nine black women on the jury. _ selected the jury. they wanted nine black women on the jury. they - black women on the jury. they thought— black women on the jury. they thought that _ black women on the jury. they thought that black— black women on the jury. they thought that black women - black women on the jury. they i thought that black women would emphasise — thought that black women would emphasise their— thought that black women would emphasise their agenda - thought that black women would emphasise their agenda over- thought that black women would i emphasise their agenda over their race _ emphasise their agenda over their race but — emphasise their agenda over their race but the _ emphasise their agenda over their race. but the idea _ emphasise their agenda over their race. but the idea that _ emphasise their agenda over their race. but the idea that mr- emphasise their agenda over their. race. but the idea that mr goldstein will say— race. but the idea that mr goldstein will say we — race. but the idea that mr goldstein will say we should _ race. but the idea that mr goldstein will say we should not _ race. but the idea that mr goldstein will say we should not think - race. but the idea that mr goldstein will say we should not think about i will say we should not think about evidence. — will say we should not think about evidence, this _ will say we should not think about evidence, this isn't _ will say we should not think about evidence, this isn't iran, - will say we should not think about evidence, this isn't iran, this - evidence, this isn't iran, this isn't — evidence, this isn't iran, this isn't russia. _ evidence, this isn't iran, this isn't russia, you _ evidence, this isn't iran, this isn't russia, you don't - evidence, this isn't iran, thisl isn't russia, you don't convict people — isn't russia, you don't convict people on— isn't russia, you don't convict people on the _ isn't russia, you don't convict people on the basis _ isn't russia, you don't convict people on the basis of- isn't russia, you don't convict people on the basis of what i isn't russia, you don't convict i people on the basis of what you isn't russia, you don't convict - people on the basis of what you saw on television. — people on the basis of what you saw on television. you _ people on the basis of what you saw on television. you convict _ people on the basis of what you saw on television. you convict people i people on the basis of what you saw on television. you convict people on the basis _ on television. you convict people on the basis of— on television. you convict people on the basis of the _ on television. you convict people on the basis of the evidence. _ on television. you convict people on the basis of the evidence. it - on television. you convict people on the basis of the evidence. it is - the basis of the evidence. it is certainly— the basis of the evidence. it is certainly possible _ the basis of the evidence. it is certainly possible that - the basis of the evidence. it is certainly possible that he - the basis of the evidence. it is certainly possible that he did i the basis of the evidence. it is i certainly possible that he did it, i can't _ certainly possible that he did it, i can't comment _

certainly possible that he did it, i can't comment on— certainly possible that he did it, i can't comment on that, - certainly possible that he did it, i can't comment on that, i - certainly possible that he did it, i can't comment on that, i was - certainly possible that he did it, i can't comment on that, i was his| can't comment on that, i was his lawyer. — can't comment on that, i was his lawyer. but— can't comment on that, i was his lawyer. but it _ can't comment on that, i was his lawyer, but it is _ can't comment on that, i was his lawyer, but it is certainly- can't comment on that, i was hisl lawyer, but it is certainly possible he did _ lawyer, but it is certainly possible he did it _ lawyer, but it is certainly possible he did it and _ lawyer, but it is certainly possible he did it and also _ lawyer, but it is certainly possible he did it and also that _ lawyer, but it is certainly possible he did it and also that he - lawyer, but it is certainly possible he did it and also that he was- he did it and also that he was framed — he did it and also that he was framed by— he did it and also that he was framed by the _ he did it and also that he was framed by the police, - he did it and also that he was framed by the police, and - he did it and also that he was| framed by the police, and you he did it and also that he was- framed by the police, and you are to themselves. — framed by the police, and you are to themselves. we _ framed by the police, and you are to themselves, we interviewed - framed by the police, and you are to themselves, we interviewed some i framed by the police, and you are to| themselves, we interviewed some of them _ themselves, we interviewed some of them afterward. _ themselves, we interviewed some of them afterward, we _ themselves, we interviewed some of them afterward, we are _ themselves, we interviewed some of them afterward, we are not - themselves, we interviewed some of them afterward, we are not going. themselves, we interviewed some of them afterward, we are not going to| them afterward, we are not going to convicted _ them afterward, we are not going to convicted based _ them afterward, we are not going to convicted based on _ them afterward, we are not going to convicted based on evidence - them afterward, we are not going to convicted based on evidence that. them afterward, we are not going toj convicted based on evidence that we know was— convicted based on evidence that we know was manipulated _ convicted based on evidence that we know was manipulated by— convicted based on evidence that we know was manipulated by the - convicted based on evidence that we | know was manipulated by the police. we don't _ know was manipulated by the police. we don't want — know was manipulated by the police. we don't want to _ know was manipulated by the police. we don't want to encourage - know was manipulated by the police. we don't want to encourage the - we don't want to encourage the police _ we don't want to encourage the police to— we don't want to encourage the police to do— we don't want to encourage the police to do what _ we don't want to encourage the police to do what they - we don't want to encourage the police to do what they had - we don't want to encourage thej police to do what they had been doing _ police to do what they had been doing in— police to do what they had been doing in los _ police to do what they had been doing in los angeles _ police to do what they had been doing in los angeles for - police to do what they had been doing in los angeles for a - police to do what they had been doing in los angeles for a longl doing in los angeles for a long time. — doing in los angeles for a long time. planting— doing in los angeles for a long time, planting guns, _ doing in los angeles for a long time, planting guns, planting. time, planting guns, planting evidence. _ time, planting guns, planting evidence, primarily— time, planting guns, planting evidence, primarily on- time, planting guns, planting evidence, primarily on black. time, planting guns, planting - evidence, primarily on black people. so the _ evidence, primarily on black people. so the nine — evidence, primarily on black people. so the nine black— evidence, primarily on black people. so the nine black members- evidence, primarily on black people. so the nine black members of- evidence, primarily on black people. so the nine black members of the i so the nine black members of the 'ury so the nine black members of the jury were — so the nine black members of the jury were very— so the nine black members of the jury were very sympathetic- so the nine black members of the jury were very sympathetic to - so the nine black members of the jury were very sympathetic to the | jury were very sympathetic to the argument — jury were very sympathetic to the argument that— jury were very sympathetic to the argument that if— jury were very sympathetic to the argument that if one _ jury were very sympathetic to the argument that if one piece - jury were very sympathetic to the argument that if one piece of - argument that if one piece of evidence _ argument that if one piece of evidence had _ argument that if one piece of evidence had been— argument that if one piece of evidence had been planted . argument that if one piece of| evidence had been planted by argument that if one piece of - evidence had been planted by the police. _ evidence had been planted by the police. that— evidence had been planted by the police. that is— evidence had been planted by the police, that is enough— evidence had been planted by the police, that is enough to - evidence had been planted by the police, that is enough to raise - evidence had been planted by the police, that is enough to raise a i police, that is enough to raise a reasonable _ police, that is enough to raise a reasonable doubt. _ police, that is enough to raise a reasonable doubt. i— police, that is enough to raise a reasonable doubt. i think- police, that is enough to raise a reasonable doubt. i think a - police, that is enough to raise a reasonable doubt. i think a lot. police, that is enough to raise ai reasonable doubt. i think a lot of the jurors — reasonable doubt. i think a lot of the jurors said _ reasonable doubt. i think a lot of the jurors said to _ reasonable doubt. i think a lot of the jurors said to themselves, i reasonable doubt. i think a lot of the jurors said to themselves, ifi the jurors said to themselves, if there _ the jurors said to themselves, if there is— the jurors said to themselves, if there is evidence _ the jurors said to themselves, if there is evidence planted - the jurors said to themselves, if there is evidence planted here, i the jurors said to themselves, if. there is evidence planted here, we are not— there is evidence planted here, we are not going — there is evidence planted here, we are not going to— there is evidence planted here, we are not going to convicted. - there is evidence planted here, we are not going to convicted. we - there is evidence planted here, we i are not going to convicted. we don't live in— are not going to convicted. we don't live in iran. — are not going to convicted. we don't live in iran. we — are not going to convicted. we don't live in iran, we live _ are not going to convicted. we don't live in iran, we live in— are not going to convicted. we don't live in iran, we live in america - live in iran, we live in america where — live in iran, we live in america where you _ live in iran, we live in america where you based _ live in iran, we live in america where you based convictions. live in iran, we live in americal where you based convictions on evidence. — where you based convictions on evidence. and _ where you based convictions on evidence, and it _ where you based convictions on evidence, and it is _ where you based convictions on evidence, and it is better- where you based convictions on evidence, and it is better for. where you based convictions onl evidence, and it is better for ten guilty— evidence, and it is better for ten guilty to— evidence, and it is better for ten guilty to go— evidence, and it is better for ten guilty to go free _ evidence, and it is better for ten guilty to go free than _ evidence, and it is better for ten guilty to go free than for - evidence, and it is better for ten guilty to go free than for one - guilty to go free than for one innocent _ guilty to go free than for one innocent to— guilty to go free than for one innocent to be _ guilty to go free than for one innocent to be wrongly - guilty to go free than for one i innocent to be wrongly confined guilty to go free than for one - innocent to be wrongly confined or for even _ innocent to be wrongly confined or for even one — innocent to be wrongly confined or for even one person _ innocent to be wrongly confined or for even one person to _ innocent to be wrongly confined or for even one person to be - innocent to be wrongly confined ori for even one person to be convicted

based _ for even one person to be convicted based on _ for even one person to be convicted based on false _ for even one person to be convicted based on false evidence. _ for even one person to be convicted based on false evidence. shame - for even one person to be convicted based on false evidence. shame on| based on false evidence. shame on you, based on false evidence. shame on you. mr— based on false evidence. shame on you, mr goldstein, _ based on false evidence. shame on you, mr goldstein, forcing - based on false evidence. shame on you, mr goldstein, forcing that- based on false evidence. shame on you, mr goldstein, forcing that we| you, mr goldstein, forcing that we should _ you, mr goldstein, forcing that we should not— you, mr goldstein, forcing that we should not consider— you, mr goldstein, forcing that we should not consider the _ you, mr goldstein, forcing that we should not consider the evidence i you, mr goldstein, forcing that we| should not consider the evidence at all. , ., _ should not consider the evidence at all. , ., ., should not consider the evidence at all. . ., ., we should not consider the evidence at all-_ we can - should not consider the evidence at| all._ we can debate all. did not say that. we can debate this until the _ all. did not say that. we can debate this until the cows _ all. did not say that. we can debate this until the cows come _ all. did not say that. we can debate this until the cows come home. - all. did not say that. we can debate i this until the cows come home. thank you all very much for taking part tonight. a neurosurgeon who was dismissed by university hospitals sussex claims a "gang culture" existed at an nhs neurosurgery department, and that a surgeon was approved to perform complex spinal surgery without adequate training. the allegations by neurosurgeon mansoor foroughi, which are contested by the trust, can be revelaed tonight after the trust lost a nine—month court battle with newsnight and the times to block access to and redact documents in two employment tribunal cases. sussex police is separately investigating at least 105 cases of alleged medical negligence at university hospitals sussex neurosurgery and general surgery departments. here'sjoe pike.

are they whistleblowers or troublemakers? these two surgeon spoke out about patient safety at their nhs trust in sussex. one was dismissed, the other demoted, both have taken their cases to employment tribunal is. the trust fought a nine—month court battle to prevent us accessing key documents but they lost and now for the first time we can tell their stories. towering over the seaside city of brighton is a hospital, the headquarters of an nhs trust in crisis were sussex police are investigating at least 105 cases of alleged medical negligence. we don't know which cases are of interest to please, but they have spoken to the family of 23—year—old lewis chilcott. he died after an alleged surgical error. that after an alleged surgical error. git about half 11 i got a phone call, a really long phone call, and i knew the direction of that phone call.

then he finally said it, he said, i am really sorry, he has passed away on the operating table.— on the operating table. immediately our lives are — on the operating table. immediately our lives are shattered. _ on the operating table. immediately our lives are shattered. the - on the operating table. immediately our lives are shattered. the trust. our lives are shattered. the trust said their heartfelt sympathies go to louis's family and friends for their loss and their primary concern is safe and effective care. melissa was just 21 when she went into hospital with stomach pains. she did not get a ct scan, the problem was missed and she died. an internal review concluded if she had had surgery, her life would been saved. they have not learned from what mistakes they did, so it is unlikely they can make the same mistakes over and over again. the they can make the same mistakes over and over again-— and over again. the trust is a melissa's _ and over again. the trust is a melissa's condition _ and over again. the trust is a melissa's condition was - melissa's condition was extraordinarily rare and the coroner agreed there had been no clinical indication forfurther indication for further investigations. these cases happened investigations. these cases happened in the last three years, but today's

employment tribunal documents allege the problems go back far longer. mansoor faroughi is the neurosurgeon who claims there was a gang culture in his department. he has more than 25 years experience, has performed over 4000 brain and spine procedures, but was sacked for gross misconduct in 2022 and now focuses on private work. in his tribunal he alleges one surgeon at university hospitals sussex was approved to perform complex spinal surgery without adequate training. a second surgeon undertook procedures which led to a disproportionate level of deaths, and a third undertook private work whilst on call to the nhs which, if true, would be a breach of the nhs code of conduct. chris singh was the clinical directorfor abdominal surgery. chris singh was the clinical directorforabdominalsurgery. he has worked in these hospitals for 20 years and pioneered keyhole operations to remove stomach cancers. but he was demoted in 2019

and claims the decision was made whilst he was on holiday. he had warned about changes to surge in emergency rotas which he alleges reduce the number of safe consultants on call and put patients at risk and that the changes happen for financial reasons. are you shocked by what we have uncovered? i shocked by what we have uncovered? i am really shocked by reading the reports because it is notjust one report, it is repeated reports over a long period of time and the fact that those concerns of whistleblowers continue to this day. this is just completely unacceptable in our nhs. when i read the detail of some of the mistakes that had been made, the poor clinical supervision, the people training, the culture which has been described as toxic and bullying, when i read about the clinical mistakes that have been made, with very little accountability, in fact over a six—month period just four reviews carried out into why patients were

dying, i have to say how can we have faith in our nhs if that is the level of competency of our management?— level of competency of our manauement? , , , ., management? university hospital sussex has told _ management? university hospital sussex has told us _ management? university hospital sussex has told us they _ management? university hospital sussex has told us they will - sussex has told us they will vigourously contest these claims at employment tribunals, dismissing anyone or removing anyone from a leadership role is an absolute last resort. in both cases due process was followed and they are confident they did the right thing for the benefit of patients. in mansoor faroughi's case they said the use an experienced external investigator as part of the disciplinary process. but newsnight was my investigation now includes people who believe they suffered harm from poor surgery beyond these two departments. weill. beyond these two departments. well, i am beyond these two departments. well, i am basically — beyond these two departments. well, i am basically broken _ beyond these two departments. -tt i am basically broken because everything has turned my world totally upside down. you name it, i can't do it. totally upside down. you name it, i can't do it— can't do it. four years ago sarah was able to _ can't do it. four years ago sarah was able to walk. _ can't do it. four years ago sarah was able to walk. i _

can't do it. four years ago sarah was able to walk. i don't - can't do it. four years ago sarah was able to walk. i don't want i was able to walk. i don't want an bod was able to walk. i don't want anybody to — was able to walk. i don't want anybody to do _ was able to walk. i don't want anybody to do anything - was able to walk. i don't want anybody to do anything for. was able to walk. i don't want i anybody to do anything for me, i can do it myself, but i can't do it myself now and it is just all gone. everything changed when she went to brighton's royal sussex hospital with an aneurysm, a balloon —like bulge in her aorta. after having an operation she didn't wake up four days. doctors later told her daughter that she had had a stroke. i was then told that we think your mum has suffered a brain and spinal stroke. i then asked where?- stroke. i then asked where? how? when? doctor— stroke. i then asked where? how? when? doctor said _ stroke. i then asked where? how? when? doctor said the _ stroke. i then asked where? how? when? doctor said the first - when? doctor said the first procedure had not been successful and sarah would need a second. she also suffered two heart attacks and contracted covid whilst in hospital. it was terrible, i would look at her and she was like a vegetable. and then the days afterwards where she was sort of as they call awake, but she was awake but it was like the

lights were on and no one is at home. to walk in there and your mum not even recognise you or know who you are, it was really hard. the trust say _ you are, it was really hard. the trust say whilst _ you are, it was really hard. the trust say whilst there vascular team is highly skilled, sadly sometimes complications occur following complex surgery and when a person's life is in imminent danger, such procedures are offered even when the risks are high. one former nhs medical director says he has never seen a crisis like the one facing university hospitals sussex. i seen a crisis like the one facing university hospitals sussex. i think the issue is — university hospitals sussex. i think the issue is one _ university hospitals sussex. i think the issue is one of _ university hospitals sussex. i think the issue is one of the _ university hospitals sussex. i think the issue is one of the police - the issue is one of the police investigation and while everyone is familiar with individual cases of clinicians who have been investigated by the police, in my experience this is unprecedented. an investigation generated by the coroner, referring the situation to the police, where they are

investigating potentially 40 deaths and 100 other similar incidents. i think this is unprecedented. mansoor farou:hi think this is unprecedented. mansoor faroughi and — think this is unprecedented. mansoor faroughi and chris _ think this is unprecedented. mansoor faroughi and chris singh's _ faroughi and chris singh's employment tribunal could take years to complete. meanwhile the police investigation continues. that invesigation by producer charlotte rowles, joe pike, and additional reporting by emily o'sullivan. and joe's here. what we know about the police investigation? it is what we know about the police investigation?— investigation? it is not entirely clear at this _ investigation? it is not entirely clear at this moment. - investigation? it is not entirely clear at this moment. one - investigation? it is not entirely clear at this moment. one of. investigation? it is not entirely i clear at this moment. one of the alleged victims has told us the police have told them there are 400 cases are looking at. i put that to sussex police and they said that figure is incorrect. yet they will not give us the number of cases alleged, cases of alleged medical negligence. we know the number is at least 105. they will say that the scope of their investigation remains the same, just those two departments and a seven year period. but it is

possible as more people hear about what has happened and maybe think about their own experiences, that the scale of the police investigation could grow. you and newsniaht investigation could grow. you and newsnight have _ investigation could grow. you and newsnight have been _ investigation could grow. you and newsnight have been fighting - investigation could grow. you and newsnight have been fighting for| newsnight have been fighting for nine months to have sight of these documents. it nine months to have sight of these documents-— documents. it has been a painful rocess documents. it has been a painful process in _ documents. it has been a painful process in court _ documents. it has been a painful process in court alongside - documents. it has been a painful process in court alongside tom i process in court alongside tom witherow, the times reporter. also because university hospitals sussex did not want us to have access to these documents. they were blocking access to some of them and wanted others redacted, but they lost that, the judge came down others redacted, but they lost that, thejudge came down on our side. it meant that today lawyers for the trust sent us these documents and it means that tonight for the first time we are able to tell the story of these surgeons and what they allege was happening in these two surgery departments. jae. allege was happening in these two surgery departments.— allege was happening in these two surgery departments. joe, thank you ve much surgery departments. joe, thank you very much indeed. _ tonight, bafta celebrated the 20th games awards, honouring the very best of gaming.

in 20 years, there has been a gaming revolution. back in 2004, playstation 2 was state—of—the—art, and the games awards were a sidebar event for bafta. now gaming is at the centre of the cultural universe — from grand theft auto, to minecraft, to fortnite. tonight, the big winner was baldur�*s gate 3, picking up five out of their ten nominations, including the top prize of best game. here's a flavour of it. in mere moments, all that you have dreaded will come to pass. when the screaming stops and your mind is gone, the rest perhaps is... ..silence. i'm joined by chris van der kuyl, owner of 4j studios and responsible for the multi—million selling and multi—award winning minecraft. and charu desodt, studio director of interior/night gaming studio, and 2014 recipient of

bafta's breakthrough brit award. good evening. charu desodt, first. what about the big win tonight? hagar what about the big win tonight? how excitin: was what about the big win tonight? timr exciting was that? amazing, they were up for so many awards and fully deserve all of them, congratulations to all the winners.— to all the winners. game is now worth ill-7 _ to all the winners. game is now worth £4.7 billion, _ to all the winners. game is now worth £4.7 billion, more - to all the winners. game is now worth £4.7 billion, more than i to all the winners. game is now- worth £4.7 billion, more than cinema and tv put together, so that shows what a massive leap it has taken in 20 years. what a massive leap it has taken in 20 ears. , , ., , ., 20 years. definitely, and i started over 20 years _ 20 years. definitely, and i started over 20 years ago _ 20 years. definitely, and i started over 20 years ago so _ 20 years. definitely, and i started over 20 years ago so i _ 20 years. definitely, and i started over 20 years ago so i remember| 20 years. definitely, and i started i over 20 years ago so i remember the early days of gaming and i am thrilled that gaming has gone from strength to strength. there is so much growth yet to be had as well. part of that growth, chris, you are helping with, and you were responsible for mine craft. there is a tremendous amount of work being done and a tremendous appreciation for new games but they can take so long. you are a start—up once, but

how do start—ups manage when there is so much work to be done? there has 'ust is so much work to be done? there has just been _ is so much work to be done? there hasjust been amazing _ is so much work to be done? there hasjust been amazing developments in the _ hasjust been amazing developments in the games industry and independent studios are now starting to absolutely smash it in terms of success. — to absolutely smash it in terms of success. obviously mine craft was invented — success. obviously mine craft was invented in— success. obviously mine craft was invented in stockholm and one developer turned into a multibillion franchise _ developer turned into a multibillion franchise that microsoft bought and even today at bafta i saw one studio when _ even today at bafta i saw one studio when the _ even today at bafta i saw one studio when the best british game. one interesting thing was the government have given _ interesting thing was the government have given a new, revised independent film tax credits to give independent film tax credits to give independent film tax credits to give independent film producers a higher level of— independent film producers a higher level of tax relief and they have not done — level of tax relief and they have not done the same for games. if the uk wants— not done the same for games. if the uk wants to — not done the same for games. if the uk wants to punch above its weight in the _ uk wants to punch above its weight in the games industry we need to get behind _ in the games industry we need to get behind it— in the games industry we need to get behind it in— in the games industry we need to get behind it in all corners. that in the games industry we need to get behind it in all corners.— behind it in all corners. that is interesting. — behind it in all corners. that is interesting, the _ behind it in all corners. that is interesting, the government i behind it in all corners. that is i interesting, the government can benefit a lot if it put the same energy into games. i

benefit a lot if it put the same energy into games.— benefit a lot if it put the same energy into games. i fully agree. the games _ energy into games. i fully agree. the games industry _ energy into games. i fully agree. the games industry has - energy into games. i fully agree. the games industry has so - energy into games. i fully agree. the games industry has so much| energy into games. i fully agree. i the games industry has so much to energy into games. i fully agree. - the games industry has so much to do and there is a real kind of convergence across the entertainment industries and gaming, like you say, brings in so much revenue. i really feel like there are untapped audiences there. if we had the support from the government that would be amazing. bhd support from the government that would be amazing.— would be amazing. and also the chance in would be amazing. and also the change in gaming _ would be amazing. and also the change in gaming has _ would be amazing. and also the change in gaming has been - would be amazing. and also the change in gaming has been in i would be amazing. and also the i change in gaming has been in that it is multigenerational now and the whole atmosphere in gaming has changed. whole atmosphere in gaming has chanced. , , ., , changed. definitely, i am seeing arents, changed. definitely, i am seeing parents. people _ changed. definitely, i am seeing parents, people who _ changed. definitely, i am seeing parents, people who are - parents, people who are playing games when they were much younger, when i was younger, and i now have two children and we play together as a family. we are actually bringing the other people that we love in our households into the game as well. for example, i played my game with my mum for the first time.— my mum for the first time. tammy, chris, it my mum for the first time. tammy, chris. it is — my mum for the first time. tammy, chris, it is also _ my mum for the first time. tammy, chris, it is also a _ my mum for the first time. tammy, chris, it is also a place _ my mum for the first time. tammy, chris, it is also a place where - chris, it is also a place where neuro diversity can flourish. and all sorts of different brains work

on games. our industry is one that embraces all sorts— our industry is one that embraces all sorts of— our industry is one that embraces all sorts of talents and different ways _ all sorts of talents and different ways of— all sorts of talents and different ways of thinking. you probably don't have a _ ways of thinking. you probably don't have a creative industry and any other— have a creative industry and any other format where the blend of technical— other format where the blend of technical skills, the blend of artistic. _ technical skills, the blend of artistic, animation, creative, narrative. _ artistic, animation, creative, narrative, sound design all come together— narrative, sound design all come together in the way the games industry— together in the way the games industry does. it is something we always— industry does. it is something we always try— industry does. it is something we always try to look for. from that perspective, both players and developers, our industry embraces that inclusive culture, i think like no other. — that inclusive culture, i think like no other. �* ., ., , that inclusive culture, i think like no other. �* ., , g, that inclusive culture, i think like no other. ., ., ., no other. but that has been a more recent thing. _ no other. but that has been a more recent thing, damon _ no other. but that has been a more recent thing, damon was _ no other. but that has been a more recent thing, damon was always i recent thing, damon was always thought of the preserve of men and also the representation was usually male characters, particularly white male characters, particularly white male characters. but do you see that changing? we have more women game designers, more women characters, it is not grand theft auto any more, there is a change in content and

storylines. for there is a change in content and storylines— there is a change in content and sto lines. ., , , storylines. for sure. there will be seen traditionally _ storylines. for sure. there will be seen traditionally the _ storylines. for sure. there will be seen traditionally the games - seen traditionally the games industry was male dominated, but over the _ industry was male dominated, but over the years that has really changed. _ over the years that has really changed. we have still got a long way to— changed. we have still got a long way to go. — changed. we have still got a long way to go. every year that goes by, we see _ way to go. every year that goes by, we see new— way to go. every year that goes by, we see new talent coming into the industry— we see new talent coming into the industry from completely different places. _ industry from completely different places. as has already been said, we are seeing _ places. as has already been said, we are seeing different kind of games, it is not— are seeing different kind of games, it is not all— are seeing different kind of games, it is not all about hack and slash shooters — it is not all about hack and slash shooters these days. games like minecraft — shooters these days. games like minecraft are genuinely games for everyone. — minecraft are genuinely games for everyone. there is no one who can't find a _ everyone. there is no one who can't find a way— everyone. there is no one who can't find a way to— everyone. there is no one who can't find a way to play that game, enjoy it and _ find a way to play that game, enjoy it and be _ find a way to play that game, enjoy it and be included within the community. i think that is really powerful. — community. i think that is really powerful, that we do more of that within— powerful, that we do more of that within the — powerful, that we do more of that within the industry. at powerful, that we do more of that within the industry.— within the industry. at the other crossover where _ within the industry. at the other crossover where it _ within the industry. at the other crossover where it would - within the industry. at the other crossover where it would be - within the industry. at the other crossover where it would be a i crossover where it would be a benefit for the government is a lot of people who are gamers go on to develop ai. of people who are gamers go on to develop al— of people who are gamers go on to develoai. . , ., , develop ai. most recently the latest ai niahts develop ai. most recently the latest ai nights famously _ develop ai. most recently the latest ai nights famously came _ develop ai. most recently the latest ai nights famously came from - develop ai. most recently the latest ai nights famously came from the i ai nights famously came from the games— ai nights famously came from the games industry. a wonderful games

developer. — games industry. a wonderful games developer. within the games industry. _ developer. within the games industry, we are always at the forefront _ industry, we are always at the forefront of embracing new technologies and finding ways to make _ technologies and finding ways to make them fun. we really push these technologies to breaking point a lot of the _ technologies to breaking point a lot of the time in a safe space. that has huge — of the time in a safe space. that has huge implications for other industries and people talk sometimes about serious games, applications of games— about serious games, applications of games technologies beyond gaming. but that— games technologies beyond gaming. but that is true of any giant entertainment industry. we just happen— entertainment industry. we just happen to be the biggest. that entertainment industry. we 'ust happen to be the biggest. that is interestin: happen to be the biggest. that is interesting that _ happen to be the biggest. that is interesting that actually - happen to be the biggest. that is interesting that actually gaming i interesting that actually gaming pushes boundaries of the time, and that crossover with al. brute that crossover with al. we definitely _ that crossover with al. we definitely push _ that crossover with al. - definitely push boundaries all the time. from a technical perspective and ai, but also from a societal perspective. i really feel like video games are the cultural medium of our era. there is going to be a planning between what is a game, what is a tv show, what is a film. it is all about interactive from now on. . ~'

it is all about interactive from now on. . ~ , ., it is all about interactive from now on. ., ~ it is all about interactive from now on. ., , . the exact numbers who have been killed resisting russia's invasion of ukraine are not known, but what we can say for certain is that far more would have lost their lives were it not for the work of combat medics, men and women who head into danger to rescue soldiers who've been wounded. at the end of last year, documentary filmmakerjamie roberts travelled to ukraine's eastern front and gave body—mounted cameras to a number of units to see the war from their perspective. the footage from one of those units was used to make the extraordinary film ukraine: enemy in the woods. but there were other stories that were gathered and have not yet been told. with some very disturbing images from the war, our international correspondent, joe inwood, has this report on the medics of the 28th mechanised brigade. every night, whatever the weather, the combat medics of the 28th mechanised brigade head into the dark.

they're on their way to collect wounded ukrainian soldiers. often it's too late. but they do save many lives. since the war started, serhiy and andriy think they've recovered about 500 casualties between them.

grenades dropped from drones have become a key weapon in this war.

the roads are so bad, patients need to be strapped onto stretchers to prevent them being thrown onto the floor.

most of the team's work is done at night when the risk from russian artillery and drones is lower, but sometimes they have to risk the day. they are meeting casualties at an evacuation point. ukraine doesn't release the exact numbers who have been killed or wounded, but this war has taken a terrible toll.

this man has a tourniquet applied to his leg to stop the bleeding. they restrict blood to the limbs and have transformed battlefield medicine, saving countless lives. but it's notjust those fighting on the front lines who are paying a heavy price.

back at the night—time evacuation, they make it to the field hospital.