hello and welcome. open ai and open aland matter are reported to made a giant leap with the ai tools. there are reported to made a giant leap with the ai tools. they're about to unveil bots that reason, we've got the journalist who broke the story to help us understand what it all means. we will focus on donald trump social media platform truth social, who will speak to an academic was assessing its impact on news coverage in the us and we will speak to the programmer who was there right at the start. but our first guest today is the executive chairman of sky news, david rhodes has thejob executive chairman of sky news, david rhodes has the job of keeping the rolling news channel relevant in the age of social media, a tough gig but is well—qualified, his sell jobs at cbs and blomberg and his career began back in the 90s at rupert murdoch's fox

news. 905 at rupert murdoch's fox news. �* , , . 905 at rupert murdoch's fox news. �*, , ., news. let's start off with david rhodes _ news. let's start off with david rhodes here - news. let's start off with david rhodes here in - news. let's start off with david rhodes here in the news. let's start off with - david rhodes here in the media show, thanks for coming in. thank you guys for having me. let's _ thank you guys for having me. let's go — thank you guys for having me. let's go back a few years to when you were vice president of news for fox, how did you get that gay? news for fox, how did you get that aa ? �* news for fox, how did you get that gay?— that gay? i've got the gig as i work my way _ that gay? i've got the gig as i work my way up _ that gay? i've got the gig as i work my way up from - that gay? i've got the gig as i work my way up from running that gay? i've got the gig as i - work my way up from running the autocue. — work my way up from running the autocue, honestly, istarted working— autocue, honestly, istarted working there in 1996 at the beginning of this career and basically, they hired 700 heaple _ basically, they hired 700 people about the size of newsroom we now have a working english _ newsroom we now have a working english and we are doing that over— english and we are doing that over the _ english and we are doing that over the space of about three months — over the space of about three months and not to diminish my credentials for that opportunity but basically, if you can _ opportunity but basically, if you can get in the door, they were — you can get in the door, they were having a lot of's people and you _ were having a lot of's people and you work your way up, that was _ and you work your way up, that was my— and you work your way up, that was my entry—level opportunity. when _ was my entry—level opportunity. when you — was my entry—level opportunity. when you are at fox, you presumably were aware that it

was becoming quite a divisive presence within the american media? 1 presence within the american media? :: :: j~ presence within the american media? :: :: f~ ., ~' media? i left in 2008, iworked for a newscorp _ media? i left in 2008, iworked for a newscorp a _ media? i left in 2008, iworked for a newscorp a second - media? i left in 2008, iworked for a newscorp a second time i for a newscorp a second time when — fora newscorp a second time when it— for a newscorp a second time when it first moved to this country. _ when it first moved to this country, at that time, to speak out what — country, at that time, to speak out what later became talk tv and then— out what later became talk tv and then i left the company a second — and then i left the company a second time about three years a-o second time about three years ago and — second time about three years ago and i_ second time about three years ago and i went to work at skye on the — ago and i went to work at skye on the business side. did ago and i went to work at skye on the business side.— on the business side. did you know ropert _ on the business side. did you know rupert murdoch - on the business side. did you know rupert murdoch back. on the business side. did you know rupert murdoch back in on the business side. did you - know rupert murdoch back in the fox days? was he present at fox? at one point did you encounter him?— fox? at one point did you encounter him? when you talk about somebody _ encounter him? when you talk about somebody who - encounter him? when you talk about somebody who actuallyl encounter him? when you talk. about somebody who actually has in the _ about somebody who actually has in the programme and engages with it — in the programme and engages with it and has an opinion, he is one — with it and has an opinion, he is one of— with it and has an opinion, he is one of those people and i think— is one of those people and i think that he is interested to know— think that he is interested to know what's going on, his interesting and what you've heard, _ interesting and what you've heard, what you're reporting, what's — heard, what you're reporting, what's going to be in the programme, what will be in the paper— programme, what will be in the paper and — programme, what will be in the paper and those early years, the first _ paper and those early years, the first time working at the company, i had no interaction with— company, i had no interaction with them _ company, i had no interaction with them because i was relatively speaking at a line ievei — relatively speaking at a line level. the second time around

will turn — level. the second time around will turn 93, last month, so it was _ will turn 93, last month, so it was also _ will turn 93, last month, so it was also covid and i was relocating from the united states _ relocating from the united states but it was still very interesting and mainly found him to— interesting and mainly found him to be an engaged proprietor without— him to be an engaged proprietor without fall short of the mark of the — without fall short of the mark of the stories that people expect— of the stories that people expect but he wasjust interested in and engage. i can remove — interested in and engage. i can remove talking to one person with — remove talking to one person with us — remove talking to one person with us cable news in the early part of— with us cable news in the early part of the naughty saying that everybody knew down to the minute — everybody knew down to the minute when the ratings were going — minute when the ratings were going to — minute when the ratings were going to arrive in the afternoon on the whole day revolved around it and they would — revolved around it and they would break down each item and that didn't — would break down each item and that didn't work to a degree that— that didn't work to a degree that it — that didn't work to a degree that it sounded like it went beyond _ that it sounded like it went beyond everyone cares about the ratings _ beyond everyone cares about the ratings in — beyond everyone cares about the ratings in the uk too but this unlikely— ratings in the uk too but this unlikely was on another level. but think— unlikely was on another level. but think about where we are now — but think about where we are now. where you walk around any newsroom — now. where you walk around any newsroom like the newsroom here at the _ newsroom like the newsroom here at the bbc, it's fair to say

our— at the bbc, it's fair to say our newsroom with skye, we havem — our newsroom with skye, we have... crosstalk. the click rate. — have... crosstalk. the click rate. the _ have... crosstalk. the click rate, the performance of different items are taxed, now, you are — different items are taxed, now, you are buried in this so, yes, you _ you are buried in this so, yes, you are — you are buried in this so, yes, you are used to getting timewise, an average minute audience _ timewise, an average minute audience against linear television and you check your decisions _ television and you check your decisions against that in commercial and now, you are getting — commercial and now, you are getting 54 flavours of that. after— getting 54 flavours of that. after your second stint with rupert murdoch and it's been documented, you land a job as executive chairman of the sky news group and you arrive and one of the first thing that you have to do is analyse a situation that sky news is in within the broader news ecosystem, i wonder what your conclusions were about what was going for skye but also equally what needed to change. it’s going for skye but also equally what needed to change.- what needed to change. it's a treat what needed to change. it's a great brand — what needed to change. it's a great brand and _ what needed to change. it's a great brand and what - what needed to change. it's a great brand and what i - what needed to change. it's a great brand and what i think i what needed to change. it's a |

great brand and what i think it is going — great brand and what i think it is going for it is a readability of being agile so, for instance, stuart renzi goes to haiti — for instance, stuart renzi goes to haiti in— for instance, stuart renzi goes to haiti in recent weeks and interviews barbecue who is the gang _ interviews barbecue who is the gang leader of the gangs in the absence — gang leader of the gangs in the absence of any real civil authority and we entered into that story on journalistic merit _ that story on journalistic merit and we did so partly because _ merit and we did so partly because stuart had relationships there built on haiti — relationships there built on haiti a _ relationships there built on haiti a year before and i think it's in— haiti a year before and i think it's in porton to note that i thought. _ it's in porton to note that i thought, all right, we were doing — thought, all right, we were doing this and it's an important story but i actually found — important story but i actually found an _ important story but i actually found an audience, principally, on youtube and among younger people — on youtube and among younger people and ex—uk where it's two - 3 million— people and ex—uk where it's two — 3 million hits, our italian service _ — 3 million hits, our italian service did _ — 3 million hits, our italian service did a similar conversation with him that's had — conversation with him that's had 400,000 on instagram so, you find — had 400,000 on instagram so, you find your audience and places— you find your audience and

places you didn't necessarily expect— places you didn't necessarily expect or expect to find a before, _ expect or expect to find a before, i— expect or expect to find a before, i think we are the only people — before, i think we are the only people in— before, i think we are the only people in yemen right now with alex _ people in yemen right now with alex crawford there so, the opportunity to do that kind of quality— opportunity to do that kind of quality coverage and find that there — quality coverage and find that there is— quality coverage and find that there is a _ quality coverage and find that there is a commercial opportunity revolving around it, you get to do about anyplace. its it, you get to do about anyplace-— it, you get to do about an lace. �* ., ., , ., , anyplace. a lot of questions about elections _ anyplace. a lot of questions about elections and - anyplace. a lot of questions about elections and how - anyplace. a lot of questions i about elections and how we're all going to cover them including the american election, talking about truth social and donald trump later but i wanted for you at skye, how will you be advising your colleagues to cover trump? did ou have colleagues to cover trump? did you have made mistakes covering all politicians but media have made — all politicians but media have made mistakes covering donald trump — made mistakes covering donald trump really back to the beginning. before him coming down — beginning. before him coming down. ~ . ~ beginning. before him coming down. ~ ., ~ ., beginning. before him coming down. ., ~ ., in down. what kind of mistakes? in terms ofjust _ down. what kind of mistakes? in terms ofjust thinking _ down. what kind of mistakes? in terms ofjust thinking about - terms ofjust thinking about the approach that media were taken, — the approach that media were taken, i— the approach that media were taken, i give an example — from

the cbs— taken, i give an example — from the cbs experience, if people remembered the charlottesville episode — remembered the charlottesville episode in 2017, the first year of trump's _ episode in 2017, the first year of trump's presidency, there is this fascist _ of trump's presidency, there is this fascist rally in charlottesville, there is a rally— charlottesville, there is a rally against the railing, it becomes violent, it was a really— becomes violent, it was a really painful beside and famously, he had trouble dressing it, he said, trump's said — dressing it, he said, trump's said it — dressing it, he said, trump's said it was _ dressing it, he said, trump's said it was because he was waiting _ said it was because he was waiting to get all the facts, there — waiting to get all the facts, there was criticism that he delayed _ there was criticism that he delayed his response, then this was a _ delayed his response, then this was a response to that later in which — was a response to that later in which he — was a response to that later in which he says, you have to look at what — which he says, you have to look at what was happening there and it was— at what was happening there and it was blame on both sides, some — it was blame on both sides, some suggested that they left the administration over the comments but a couple of other things— comments but a couple of other things happen after that, the first was— things happen after that, the first was media did make a mistake _ first was media did make a mistake in terms of how those remarks — mistake in terms of how those remarks were covering. from

instance. _ remarks were covering. from instance, they were accounts that — instance, they were accounts that said _ instance, they were accounts that said that he said that the sites — that said that he said that the sites were equally to blame and he didn't— sites were equally to blame and he didn't say they were equally to blame and you just leave a hint— to blame and you just leave a hint of— to blame and you just leave a hint of that kind of controversy and that is enough for people to drive a truck through— for people to drive a truck through it and say, look, this is the — through it and say, look, this is the buyers will be talking about, _ is the buyers will be talking about, he didn't say that, there _ about, he didn't say that, there was a mistake but equally, and the reason why that— equally, and the reason why that event sticks with me is we polled — that event sticks with me is we polled it— that event sticks with me is we polled it and it was only by about _ polled it and it was only by about ten points, it was like a 55, 45— about ten points, it was like a 55, 45 the _ about ten points, it was like a 55, 45 the people felt he was in the — 55, 45 the people felt he was in the wrong even though the events— in the wrong even though the events had been really hard to watch, — events had been really hard to watch, with the neo—nazis and staff _ watch, with the neo—nazis and staff. and, you know, when you unpack— staff. and, you know, when you unpack it. — staff. and, you know, when you unpack it, why do people feel that way? if so in the service people — that way? if so in the service people saying, i disagree with them, — people saying, i disagree with them, i— people saying, i disagree with them, i do like what he has to say on — them, i do like what he has to say on that— them, i do like what he has to say on that day but i hate the media — say on that day but i hate the media so— say on that day but i hate the media so much and he is in opposition to you guys and so i'm

opposition to you guys and so i'm with — opposition to you guys and so i'm with them. and you have to do, i'm with them. and you have to do. as— i'm with them. and you have to do. as a — i'm with them. and you have to do, as a profession, take account— do, as a profession, take account of how to get to a place _ account of how to get to a place where there is at least some — place where there is at least some aspect of 45% of the american people that could actually think that the media is a dishonest that they would not be — is a dishonest that they would not be willing to have expressed an opinion on that, that's— expressed an opinion on that, that's like _ expressed an opinion on that, that's like some people should take stock. that's like some people should take stock-— take stock. listening to this talk, david, _ take stock. listening to this talk, david, has _ take stock. listening to this talk, david, has been - take stock. listening to this talk, david, has been on . take stock. listening to thi5| talk, david, has been on the financial times, your head because we'll talk about artificial intelligence and david, i know you are looking at this, every newsroom is looking at the spillett start off with the lead story on the front page of ft today which is all about openai and organisation and matt are, people haven't seen it, tell us what the story is.— what the story is. this is based on _ what the story is. this is based on having - what the story is. this is based on having spoken | what the story is. this is l based on having spoken to what the story is. this is - based on having spoken to two leaders — based on having spoken to two leaders from _ based on having spoken to two leaders from the _ based on having spoken to two leaders from the two - based on having spoken to two. leaders from the two companies and the — leaders from the two companies and the past _ leaders from the two companies and the past week— leaders from the two companies and the past week and - leaders from the two companies and the past week and both - leaders from the two companies and the past week and both of l and the past week and both of whom — and the past week and both of whom sort— and the past week and both of whom sort of— and the past week and both of whom sort of tantalising - and the past week and both of whom sort of tantalising dropl whom sort of tantalising drop hints — whom sort of tantalising drop hints about— whom sort of tantalising drop hints about the _ whom sort of tantalising drop hints about the next - whom sort of tantalising drop hints about the next models, |

hints about the next models, the next _ hints about the next models, the next al _ hints about the next models, the next ai software - hints about the next models, the next ai software that's i the next ai software that's going _ the next ai software that's going to _ the next ai software that's going to be _ the next ai software that's going to be rolled - the next ai software that's going to be rolled out, - the next ai software that's going to be rolled out, for| going to be rolled out, for most _ going to be rolled out, for most of— going to be rolled out, for most of us _ going to be rolled out, for most of us today, - going to be rolled out, for most of us today, our- going to be rolled out, for| most of us today, our first introduction, _ most of us today, our first introduction, directly- most of us today, our first introduction, directly to i most of us today, our first introduction, directly to ai systems— introduction, directly to ai systems was— introduction, directly to ai systems was chatgpt, - introduction, directly to ai . systems was chatgpt, maybe introduction, directly to ai - systems was chatgpt, maybe if you were — systems was chatgpt, maybe if you were around _ systems was chatgpt, maybe if you were around a _ systems was chatgpt, maybe if you were around a lot. - systems was chatgpt, maybe if you were around a lot. find - you were around a lot. and --eole you were around a lot. and people listening _ you were around a lot. and people listening who - you were around a lot. people listening who have you were around a lot- people listening who have tried nothing of it? i people listening who have tried nothing of it?— nothing of it? i think chatgpt was the first _ nothing of it? i think chatgpt was the first the _ nothing of it? i think chatgpt was the first the people - nothing of it? i think chatgpt was the first the people were | was the first the people were able — was the first the people were able to— was the first the people were able to interact _ was the first the people were able to interact with - was the first the people were able to interact with an - was the first the people were able to interact with an ai - able to interact with an ai system _ able to interact with an ai system but _ able to interact with an ai system but even - able to interact with an ai system but even before . able to interact with an ai - system but even before that, if you have — system but even before that, if you have recommended - system but even before that, if you have recommended ads- system but even before that, ifi you have recommended ads and post on— you have recommended ads and post on social _ you have recommended ads and post on social media, _ you have recommended ads and post on social media, if- you have recommended ads and post on social media, if you've i post on social media, if you've chosen — post on social media, if you've chosen something _ post on social media, if you've chosen something to - post on social media, if you've chosen something to watch . chosen something to watch netflix, _ chosen something to watch netflix, if _ chosen something to watch netflix, if you've _ chosen something to watch netflix, if you've ordered . chosen something to watch| netflix, if you've ordered in cuba. — netflix, if you've ordered in cuba. you _ netflix, if you've ordered in cuba. you are _ netflix, if you've ordered in cuba, you are interacting. netflix, if you've ordered in. cuba, you are interacting with al system _ cuba, you are interacting with al system so, _ cuba, you are interacting with al system so, chatgpt- cuba, you are interacting with al system so, chatgpt was. cuba, you are interacting withl ai system so, chatgpt was not the first _ ai system so, chatgpt was not the first time _ ai system so, chatgpt was not the first time but _ ai system so, chatgpt was not the first time but it _ ai system so, chatgpt was not the first time but it is - ai system so, chatgpt was not the first time but it is the - the first time but it is the first— the first time but it is the first interface _ the first time but it is the first interface we - the first time but it is the first interface we can - first interface we can literally— first interface we cani literally communicate first interface we can - literally communicate with al generated _ literally communicate with al generated text— literally communicate with al generated text but _ literally communicate with al generated text but this - literally communicate with al generated text but this year, j generated text but this year, we're — generated text but this year, we're looking _ generated text but this year, we're looking at _ generated text but this year, we're looking at the - generated text but this year, we're looking at the next - generated text but this year, i we're looking at the next wave of more — we're looking at the next wave of more sophisticated - we're looking at the next wave of more sophisticated ai - of more sophisticated ai technologies— of more sophisticated ai technologies which- of more sophisticated ai technologies which will. of more sophisticated ai - technologies which will again be able — technologies which will again be able to _ technologies which will again be able to conversed - technologies which will again be able to conversed back. technologies which will again i be able to conversed back and forth— be able to conversed back and forth but — be able to conversed back and forth but also _ be able to conversed back and forth but also summarise - forth but also summarise information, _ forth but also summarise information, create - forth but also summarise . information, create videos, code, _ information, create videos, code, doing _ information, create videos, code, doing things- information, create videos, code, doing things that - information, create videos, code, doing things that we | code, doing things that we believe _ code, doing things that we believe to— code, doing things that we believe to be _ code, doing things that we believe to be human - code, doing things that we i

believe to be human domain, creativity— believe to be human domain, creativity and _ believe to be human domain, creativity and for— believe to be human domain, creativity and for decades. i believe to be human domain, i creativity and for decades. and the kind — creativity and for decades. and the kind of— creativity and for decades. and the kind of interesting - creativity and for decades. and the kind of interesting thing. the kind of interesting thing for one _ the kind of interesting thing for one i_ the kind of interesting thing for one i wrote _ the kind of interesting thing for one i wrote about - the kind of interesting thing for one i wrote about was i the kind of interesting thing . for one i wrote about was that these — for one i wrote about was that these scientists— for one i wrote about was that these scientists and _ for one i wrote about was that these scientists and ceos - these scientists and ceos believe _ these scientists and ceos believe that— these scientists and ceos believe that the - these scientists and ceos believe that the next - these scientists and ceos i believe that the next models would — believe that the next models would be _ believe that the next models would be able _ believe that the next models would be able to _ believe that the next models would be able to reason - believe that the next models i would be able to reason would be able — would be able to reason would be able to _ would be able to reason would be able to plan _ would be able to reason would be able to plan and _ would be able to reason would be able to plan and this - would be able to reason would be able to plan and this is - be able to plan and this is what _ be able to plan and this is what the _ be able to plan and this is what the word _ be able to plan and this is what the word means, - be able to plan and this is what the word means, inl what the word means, in english. _ what the word means, in english, dubbed - what the word means, in english, dubbed able - what the word means, in english, dubbed able toi what the word means, in - english, dubbed able to kind of look forward _ english, dubbed able to kind of look forward to _ english, dubbed able to kind of look forward to how _ english, dubbed able to kind of look forward to how to - english, dubbed able to kind of look forward to how to performj look forward to how to perform an action — look forward to how to perform an action and _ look forward to how to perform an action and be _ look forward to how to perform an action and be able - look forward to how to perform an action and be able to - look forward to how to perform an action and be able to figure | an action and be able to figure out what — an action and be able to figure out what the _ an action and be able to figure out what the steps _ an action and be able to figure out what the steps i _ an action and be able to figure out what the steps i need - an action and be able to figure out what the steps i need to l out what the steps i need to take — out what the steps i need to take in— out what the steps i need to take in order— out what the steps i need to take in order to— out what the steps i need to take in order to achieve - out what the steps i need tol take in order to achieve that. so it— take in order to achieve that. so it makes— take in order to achieve that. so it makes them _ take in order to achieve that. so it makes them a - take in order to achieve that. so it makes them a lot - take in order to achieve that. so it makes them a lot more| so it makes them a lot more able — so it makes them a lot more able to— so it makes them a lot more able to do— so it makes them a lot more able to do tasks. _ so it makes them a lot more able to do tasks. essentially, is that making _ able to do tasks. essentially, is that making them - able to do tasks. essentially, is that making them more i able to do tasks. essentially, - is that making them more human? i'm no money predicted the ai will overtake human intelligence in the next year, you said that wouldn't happen until 2029, you said that wouldn't happen until2029, i'm not you said that wouldn't happen until 2029, i'm not sure how about i go by his comments. we've got a bit of the way but what will that mean for the media, your story, what will that mean for the media, yourstory, if what will that mean for the media, your story, if it's true that they will be able to reason, what is meant for newsrooms in the media? it newsrooms in the media? it doesn't mean they will be human in any— doesn't mean they will be human in any way— doesn't mean they will be human in any way but _ doesn't mean they will be human in any way but it— doesn't mean they will be human in any way but it does _ doesn't mean they will be human

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would — people who are involved they would do in terms of the wall riding — would do in terms of the wall riding that we are in. executive chair, thank you so much for being here, only have much for being here, only have much but i want to talk about something else on monday that donald trump posted a video about abortion laws in the us and it did only social media platform — truth social. he posted their regular. you wanted to overlook a truth social in detail and will do so with the help of one of the people who set it up but first, let's look at what it is, we've gotjoshua has a professor of politics at new york university and co—director of the university centre for social media and politics, joshua, thank you so much for being, well, honest with us. for someone who hasn't heard of it before, just explain, what is truth social? to before, just explain, what is truth social?— before, just explain, what is truth social? ., ., truth social? to give having me here. truth social? to give having me here- truth _ truth social? to give having me here. truth social— truth social? to give having me here. truth social is _ truth social? to give having me here. truth social is one - truth social? to give having me here. truth social is one of - truth social? to give having me here. truth social is one of a i here. truth social is one of a number of new platforms that have emerged in the us that have emerged in the us that have tried to cater to different audiences, truth social falls into the category of all would call to a

audiences, truth social falls into the category of all would call twitter clone, it looks like twitter, it is the same as twitter and it was directed at an audience of people who were supporters of president trump and who are interesting in continuing discussions that the organisers of truth social thought that they were not being able to have on these mainstream platforms are so, they're a bunch of these platforms, a of them that have sprung up with our these platforms i go up with target audiences but a similar set up to one of the more mainstream platforms. to one of the more mainstream platforms-— platforms. it's rossi, people ma be platforms. it's rossi, people may be aware _ platforms. it's rossi, people may be aware that _ platforms. it's rossi, people may be aware that trump i platforms. it's rossi, people i may be aware that trump truth social— may be aware that trump truth social is — may be aware that trump truth social is being in the news a lot fuller— social is being in the news a lot fuller because it's gone public— lot fuller because it's gone public in _ lot fuller because it's gone public in the last couple of weeks _ public in the last couple of weeks and for a while, in an incredibly— weeks and for a while, in an incredibly high evaluation of the $11— incredibly high evaluation of the $11 billion, explain what happened there? on the $11 billion, explain what happened there?— the $11 billion, explain what happened there? on the one hand, happened there? on the one hand. you — happened there? on the one hand, you might— happened there? on the one hand, you might expect i happened there? on the one hand, you might expect the l hand, you might expect the finance of the market doing it because people see promise but the other explanation for it is

that it's become a mean stock, away to people too bad on former president trump, the ticker symbol is called the jt, that a ticker symbol that pours up that a ticker symbol that pours up with a new company and as you mentioned... crosstalk. as you mentioned... crosstalk. as you pointed out, the price of its skyrocketing but open pulling it up over the course of talking here today, down another 4% today and where as it peaked around $80 a share, it's now down to $36 a share so this is a huge question about whether the financial viable model for this to go forward other than the process of being inside. j other than the process of being inside. ., ~' other than the process of being inside. ., ~ . .,, ., other than the process of being inside. ., ~ . ., ., inside. i would like joshua to brina in inside. i would like joshua to bring in billy _ inside. i would like joshua to bring in billy who _ inside. i would like joshua to bring in billy who was - inside. i would like joshua to bring in billy who was a i inside. i would like joshua to bring in billy who was a chief product officer at truth social back almost from the very beginning, welcome to the media show. i want to know when did you first hear about it? truth social had agenda getting involved?— social had agenda getting involved? ., .,

involved? so, i had a good friend that _ involved? so, i had a good friend that was _ involved? so, i had a good friend that was being i involved? so, i had a good i friend that was being brought into the project because of his asthma tees and technology and he called me and said, hey, would you be interested in coming in and showed up and for people there, five people there, thinking about and hacking on, what a little doctor create a social network for us president that is the most controversial us president in us history and so, i was like, this is the craziest and you can never be no way to not say yes to it as well as i had a lot of inclinations towards free speech and a lot of friends they were being the platforms of fired from their jobs in the us because of their christian values and so, decided that this was about opportunity to address a problem that we were seeing in a country where free speech was being limited and also the media was unnecessarily distributing information that seems accurate to the real world picture that we were seeing every day.- world picture that we were seeing every day. how much interaction _ seeing every day. how much interaction did _ seeing every day. how much interaction did you _ seeing every day. how much interaction did you have i

seeing every day. how muchj interaction did you have with thejt interaction did you have with the jt donald trump? i interaction did you have with the it donald trump?- interaction did you have with the it donald trump? i got the monologue _ the it donald trump? i got the monologue and _ the it donald trump? i got the monologue and to _ the it donald trump? i got the monologue and to present i the h donald trump? i got the monologue and to present the| monologue and to present the application to the first time ever, we had special device that we were given so that he could have the application and engage with the, he gave me the key to the white house retrospectively and fairly certain that it does not unlock a door there.— certain that it does not unlock a door there. you haven't tried it? i think _ a door there. you haven't tried it? | think it— a door there. you haven't tried it? | think it is _ a door there. you haven't tried it? | think it is not _ a door there. you haven't tried it? i think it is not a _ a door there. you haven't tried it? i think it is not a good - it? i think it is not a good idea. ., ., ., �* “ it? i think it is not a good idea. ., ., ., �* ~ idea. now, no, i don't think so either. idea. now, no, i don't think so either- i— idea. now, no, i don't think so either- i get— idea. now, no, i don't think so either. i get the _ idea. now, no, i don't think so either. i get the opportunity i either. i get the opportunity to meet with them on one of the things i was interesting about president trump is that this is what engenders him with he seems like an everyday person when you're sitting down in front of him having conversations with them, we've all met highly influential people throughout our lives and at times, those people seem to talk through you, not to you and president trump were not like that, it's one of those people i will sit down and look you in the eye another conversation with you. a lot of

this conversation with you. a lot of those conversations evolved into having conversations about president trump that's because a lot of gravity. trump that's because a lot of aravi . ., �* . ~' trump that's because a lot of aravi . ., ~ ., trump that's because a lot of aravi . ., ~ trump that's because a lot of aravi . .,~ , gravity. you'll talk to you but if primarily — gravity. you'll talk to you but if primarily about _ gravity. you'll talk to you but if primarily about himself - gravity. you'll talk to you but if primarily about himself but i wondered, when you are talking _ i wondered, when you are talking to him, could you use what — talking to him, could you use what you _ talking to him, could you use what you are building because... crosstalk. he's not that keen— because... crosstalk. he's not that keen on computers, is it? that's— that keen on computers, is it? that's correct, he is not necessarily a technologist and that was one of the bigger outcomes that came out of building truth social was we run into a lot of political people and people they were very interested in the political spectrum and so few of them understood technology in itself. we were talking earlier about artificial intelligence and the breakdown between what society realises or expects art of these technologies and in how they can communicate them so for instance, in the ai world, the talk about tokens a lot and things like that and those aren't terms of the average person understands and so, the same goes for politicians, the vast majority of them have no

understanding about technology whatsoever and because of that, it's one of the things that concerns me the most because technology is what is this into mediating society in itself, if you look at it from a non—i to five year perspective but a 20 year perspective, you will see the technology is shaping the entirety of society so if our politicians understand technology, they won't understand the direction of society moving forward. this tried to understand - society moving forward. this tried to understand the impact of this— tried to understand the impact of this platform has had. an assistani— of this platform has had. an assistant professor at the university of buffalo and you've _ university of buffalo and you've done some of the first academic— you've done some of the first academic research on truth social, _ academic research on truth social, tell us what you've been _ social, tell us what you've been looking into?- social, tell us what you've been looking into? thank you for the question _ been looking into? thank you for the question and - been looking into? thank you for the question and they - been looking into? thank you| for the question and they give having — for the question and they give having ma _ for the question and they give having me. our— for the question and they give having me. our study- for the question and they give having me. our study really. having me. our study really looks— having me. our study really looks at— having me. our study really looks at the _ having me. our study really looks at the political- looks at the political implication - looks at the political implication of- looks at the political implication of truth i looks at the political- implication of truth social and we did — implication of truth social and we did so_ implication of truth social and we did so by— implication of truth social and we did so by comparing - implication of truth social and l we did so by comparing trump's ability— we did so by comparing trump's ability to— we did so by comparing trump's ability to drive _ we did so by comparing trump's ability to drive his _ we did so by comparing trump's ability to drive his attention - ability to drive his attention using — ability to drive his attention using truth— ability to drive his attention using truth social, - ability to drive his attention using truth social, during l ability to drive his attention l using truth social, during the 20 - —

using truth social, during the 20 - 2022— using truth social, during the 20 - 2022 us _ using truth social, during the 20 — 2022 us mid—term - 20 — 2022 us mid—term elections, _ 20 — 2022 us mid—term elections, versus- 20 — 2022 us mid—term elections, versus his . 20 — 2022 us mid—term . elections, versus his ability to elections, versus his ability io do— elections, versus his ability to do so_ elections, versus his ability to do so with _ elections, versus his ability to do so with twitter- elections, versus his abilityj to do so with twitter during the 2016— to do so with twitter during the 2016 primary _ to do so with twitter during the 2016 primary election . to do so with twitter during | the 2016 primary election in the 2016 primary election in the us _ the 2016 primary election in the us 50. _ the 2016 primary election in the us. so, we _ the 2016 primary election in the us. so, we are- the 2016 primary election in the us. so, we are curiousl the 2016 primary election in. the us. so, we are curious to see _ the us. so, we are curious to see if— the us. so, we are curious to see if he _ the us. so, we are curious to see if he was— the us. so, we are curious to see if he was able _ the us. so, we are curious to see if he was able to - the us. so, we are curious to see if he was able to do - the us. so, we are curious to see if he was able to do the i see if he was able to do the same — see if he was able to do the same thing _ see if he was able to do the same thing with _ see if he was able to do the same thing with truth - see if he was able to do the | same thing with truth social see if he was able to do the . same thing with truth social as he was — same thing with truth social as he was able _ same thing with truth social as he was able to _ same thing with truth social as he was able to do _ same thing with truth social as he was able to do so— same thing with truth social as he was able to do so with - he was able to do so with twitter— he was able to do so with twitter back _ he was able to do so with twitter back in _ he was able to do so with twitter back in 2016. - he was able to do so with twitter back in 2016. didl he was able to do so with twitter back in 2016. did he? could it? _ twitter back in 2016. did he? could it? there's _ twitter back in 2016. did he? could it? there's a _ twitter back in 2016. did he? could it? there's a get - twitter back in 2016. did he? could it? there's a get the i could it? there's a get the same impact the news media with drum social as... truth social, on your was going to do that. truth social was almost as effective _ truth social was almost as effective as _ truth social was almost as effective as twitter- truth social was almost as effective as twitter in - truth social was almost as i effective as twitter in terms of driving _ effective as twitter in terms of driving news _ effective as twitter in terms of driving news attention . effective as twitter in terms of driving news attention to | of driving news attention to trump _ of driving news attention to trump and _ of driving news attention to trump and his _ of driving news attention to trump and his social- of driving news attention to trump and his social mediaj trump and his social media activity— trump and his social media activity but _ trump and his social media activity but truth _ trump and his social media activity but truth social- trump and his social media| activity but truth social was not that _ activity but truth social was not that effective _ activity but truth social was not that effective compared activity but truth social was i not that effective compared to twitter— not that effective compared to twitter in _ not that effective compared to twitter in the _ not that effective compared to twitter in the sense _ not that effective compared to twitter in the sense of, - not that effective compared to twitter in the sense of, during the 2022 — twitter in the sense of, during the 2022 mid—term _ twitter in the sense of, during the 2022 mid—term election. the 2022 mid—term election cycle, — the 2022 mid—term election cycle, generalists_ the 2022 mid—term election cycle, generalists stopped i cycle, generalists stopped directiv _ cycle, generalists stopped directly in _ cycle, generalists stopped directly in betting - cycle, generalists stopped directly in betting his - cycle, generalists stoppedl directly in betting his truth sociat— directly in betting his truth social post _ directly in betting his truth social post on _ directly in betting his truth social post on the - directly in betting his truth social post on the new- directly in betting his truth i social post on the new stories on the — social post on the new stories on the website. _ social post on the new stories on the website. an _ social post on the new stories on the website. an the - social post on the new storiesl on the website. an the number of such— on the website. an the number

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person, i believe that is it as a mechanism of control for a platform and put the platform and its creators in an adversarial relationship based on algorithms and based on there are needed to create more impressions for the underlying advertisers and so, we have leadership on that idea ofjust not having advertising as a predicate for how we were going to make money with that service and i decided it was not the right place to be because i didn't feel like that in itself would allow for a true free—speech network even though i'm not there are now, i would support president trump going into the next election primarily because of my values and even though i didn't make a ton of money off of it.— ton of money off of it. that's it for today. _ ton of money off of it. that's it for today, thanks - ton of money off of it. that's it for today, thanks to i ton of money off of it. that's it for today, thanks to all i ton of money off of it. that'sj it for today, thanks to all our gas, will be back at the same time next weekend. but gas, will be back at the same time next weekend. but from now from katie — time next weekend. but from now from katie and _ time next weekend. but from now from katie and from _ time next weekend. but from now from katie and from me, - time next weekend. but from now from katie and from me, the i time next weekend. but from now from katie and from me, the key. from katie and from me, the key for your company, from katie and from me, the key foryour company, buy, from katie and from me, the key

for your company, buy, buy. —— bye bye. hello there. friday was a very warm day for april. temperatures widely reached the high teens and the warmest spots had temperatures a bit higher than that. 21.5 degrees celsius was recorded at both st james' park and northolt, both in greater london, making it the warmest day of the year so far. we have something of a change in the weather forecast, though, for saturday. cooler air is going to be arriving across both scotland and northern ireland behind this cold front. and that's significant because scotland also recorded its warmest day of 2024 as well on friday — 20.2 degrees celsius in fyvie castle. but across scotland and northern ireland, temperatures widely will be dropping by around five or six degrees celsius into saturday. so you will notice that significant change. right now the weather is quite quiet, though.

we've got a few patches of high cloud around, one or two areas of mist and fog and a few showers coming in across northern areas with the winds strengthening slightly. temperatures as we start saturday morning around 8 to 11 degrees celsius. we're looking at a mild start to the day. now, a band of rain, a cold front will quickly swing its way into northern ireland and scotland. as that moves eastwards, what will follow is blustery showers with some hailstorms mixed in the winds gusting up to 50 miles an hour further southwards. now a patch of rain for northern england and across wales, otherwise largely dry. much cooler air across scotland and northern ireland arrives through the afternoon, whereas across england and wales it's going to be the last of the really warm days. temperatures, i suspect, will reach around 21 or 22 in the warmest areas of eastern england, with colder air arriving across most parts of england and wales after dark. well, that takes us into sunday's forecast. and sunday is going to be a blustery day for scotland and northern ireland. frequent showers here, some of them with hail and thunder mixed in. there will be a few showers developing through the day across northern england and wales, but it may well stay largely dry across east anglia and the south of england. wherever you are, temperatures

will be much closer to average, 15 degrees in london. so a big change from the low 20s that we'll have on saturday, it will feel cooler. 0n into the start of the new week, monday sees low pressure move in off the atlantic with this cold front diving its way southwards across the country. and that's going to be bringing a spell of rain followed by showers, showery weather conditions around for tuesday and for wednesday. but the weather should become drier and a bit warmer towards the end of next week. bye for now.

live from london. this is bbc news. president biden issues a blunt warning to iran not to attack israel — in retaliation for last week's deadly strike

on an iranian diplomatic compound in syria. reporter: mr president, what is your message to iran in this moment? don't. us vice president kamala harris blames donald trump for the loss of abortion rights in arizona — after the state's total ban on the procedure. labour's deputy leader, angela rayner, says she will resign if she's found to have committed a crime — she's being investigated by police as to whether she broke electoral law. hello, i'm anjana gadgill. president biden has issued a blunt warning to iran not to attack israel — in retaliation for last week's deadly strike on an iranian diplomatic compound in syria. but the president said he expected an attack to come sooner rather than later, and his message to tehran was: "doniti._ simonjones reports.