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the death tolljumps to 170 in kenya after catastrophic flooding we'll hear this hour, from the country's president. and king charles returns to public engagements with a visit to a cancer treatment centre we'll hear from our royal crrespondent. hamas leaders consider a new ceasefire. the death tolljumps to 170 in kenya after catastrophic flooding we'll hear this hour, from the country's president. and king charles returns to public engagements with a visit to a cancer treatment centre we'll hear from our royal crrespondent. welcome to verified live. let's begin with breaking news out of new york in the last hour or so. thejudge in donald trump's hush money trial has ruled the former
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president has violated a gag order and found him in contempt of court. he's fined a total of $9,000 for nine breaches. 0ur north america correspondent nada tawfik has the latest from outside the court in new york. tell us about the fine and the comments when issuing the find. yeah. well, matthew, we had been waiting for the judge to rule on this request from prosecutors to hold donald trump in contempt of court. he rejected donald trump was not lawyers that the post his campaign website were responding to political attacks. he found in only one of the ten instances that there was a tenuous correlation as he put it to some remarks by one of the key witnesses in this trial, michael cohen. 0therwise witnesses in this trial, michael cohen. otherwise he sided with prosecutors that donald trump had
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wilfully violated a gag water nine out of ten times. under new york law, he is only able to find donald trump $1000 per violation. he did that but also said given donald trump is wealthy he might not be discouraged from violating the gag water but he said that was not off the table. he has till close of business friday to pay the fine, it is a drop in the bucket compared to the hundreds of thousands he is facing in his other civilfraud trial. but he also has to take down those offending posts by this afternoon. those offending posts by this afternoon-— those offending posts by this afternoon. �* , , ., afternoon. briefly in terms of the latest from _ afternoon. briefly in terms of the latest from the _ afternoon. briefly in terms of the latest from the witness _ afternoon. briefly in terms of the latest from the witness box, - afternoon. briefly in terms of the latest from the witness box, tell| afternoon. briefly in terms of the l latest from the witness box, tell us the latest. the third witness has
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finished the latest. the third witness 1:3 finished cross—examination by the defence, the prosecution, he was michael cohen's former banker and was reallyjust outlining the way michael cohen opened up a shell company, nail llc to take stormy daniels's lawyer and transfer her the $130,000 hush money payment. this is ultimately a case about falsifying business records, prosecutors have presented to the jury prosecutors have presented to the jury those transactions to help prove their case.— earlier i spoke to criminal defence lawyer and former prosecutor randy zellin who gave us his thoughts. i don't know if it was shakespeare that said it, but this is really much
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ado about nothing. 9000 to donald trump is $9 for the rest of us. so certainly mr trump won that round. in fact, for him to argue that he is treated differently, he's right. for him to say he's treated unfairly is wrong. anyone else would have been injail from the get go and would still be sitting injail. so chalk the 9,000 up to flicking it off the shoulder, win for trump. i understand what you're saying, but we heard from the judge that clear warning. now, there have been repeated breaches of this gag order over the last few weeks and yet we've only got to this stage now. is there any realistic prospect ofjail time if there are further breaches, do you think? legally, yes. practically no. judge merchan knows very well that to even entertain seriously the thought ofjail, to actually incarcerate the former president would play directly into the former president's hands.
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it would probably guarantee some level of unrest in this country. it would probably guarantee mr trump an even more solidified base and maybe even help him get re—elected. so i think the last thing that judge merchan is interested in doing is giving something that he knows that the former president wants. it also plays into the narrative thatjudge merchan is conflicted, and i think it would make it easier for the former president to argue in the higher court. "see? "of course, he is operating under a conflict of interest. "he put me injail." interesting. let's move to the wider trial because this week three starting. what have you made about the case so far, both as someone who's an expert, both in defense and prosecution? the difficulty here in terms of if you want to try to keep score, it's a matter of everyone understanding that the prosecution simply doing well, doing 0k is not going to cut it. it's not good enough. in the united states, proof beyond a reasonable doubt is such
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an incredibly high bar for the prosecution. if we think of the preponderance of the evidence is tipping the scale from 50—50 to 51—49 proof beyond a reasonable doubt is like 90—10. so to say, well, the prosecution had a good day, prosecution had a good week, not going to do it. the prosecution has to be killing it to have a realistic shot of getting a conviction. and i think here there's way too much confusion in terms of what's legal, what's not legal. is it legal for a tabloid to pay for a story to kill it? to open up a bank account in order to make a payment? can you really influence an election through the entry of these false numbers in the books and records? is this using the system of criminal justice to weaponize to to take the presumptive nominee out of the race? way too much going on here. so right now, prosecution is ok,
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but they're not winning. i get what you're saying. but the counterpoint would be that if the prosecution can prove donald trump knew, he knew what michael cohen was doing, and we're told there are tapes potentially as evidence. we know that donald trump very scrupulous about every cheque he signed. if they can prove that connection, then presumably the prosecution would be home and dry, wouldn't it? technically, yes. again, there is a difference here between the technical. and the reality. i think as far as technically you may very well be right. there may be evidence that mr trump had knowledge, which is one component of a criminal case here, and he intended to commit a crime, which is the other component. even if that's true, there may be one jury....
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0nejuror, i'm sorry, one juror sitting in thatjury who is simply not going to convict the former president, if for no other reason than the former president's been saying, "you are going to convict me." it only takes one in the united states fora hungjury, a mistrial, which would be a huge win for the former president, because this case would not be retried again before the election. so technically, you're absolutely right. now to a sword attack in london with police confirming a 14—year—old boy has died, and four others injured. police had been called to reports, of a vehicle being driven into a house in hainault. a 36—year—old man is in custody the attacks are not thought to be terror related. the live pictures from close to the scene because you see the microphone is all set up. we are expecting a
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news conference in the next few minutes. when that starts we will take that and get the latest developments. we had in the last hour came charles�*s statement from buckingham palace calling the stabbings horrific senses his thoughts and prayers with those affected, particularly the young victim's family who have lost their life. that statement in the last 60 minutes. let's look back at the events of today. first thing this morning, and a man armed with a sword crouches outside a house in london. shouting. lock your doors! police then follow the suspect around the back in what is usually a quiet residential area. we now know that a car was driven into a house at 7am this morning,
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as people left for work and school. five were stabbed, including two police officers. it is with great sadness that i confirm that one of those injured in the incident has died from the injuries. taken to hospital after being stabbed and sadly died a short while after. terrified people in the area were told to follow police instructions and the transport network nearby was closed, including roads and the tube station. i saw it all from my bedroom window. and then when he went into the house, or into the driveway a couple of doors down, iran down outside and then police tased him. i saw it, i was standing on the road watching it, from the other side of the road. a grey transit van pulled up. the man got out with a samurai sword, tried to talk to one female resident. she ran away from him. as he's pulled the sword out in the air, she's tried to warn the other neighbour. as he's turned round, he's been struck in the head.
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the cordons are still in place. the met police say a man has been arrested and they don't believe it is terror related, or that there's any ongoing threat to the wider community. in a statement, the prime minister said, "this is a shocking incident. my thoughts are with those affected and their families." this attack is a devastating and appalling crime. - i'm sure i speak on behalf- of the entire city when i say our thoughts and prayers are with this young child and his family. - and while an increase of knife crime in the capital is known to many here, the violence is no less shocking. frances read, bbc news. straight to the live pictures and we expect that news conference, when it starts we will get the latest. around the world and across the uk, this is bbc news.
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to the middle east, where hamas leaders, are considering a new ceasefire proposal from israel the deal includes a a0 day truce, in return for the release of some hostages. it would also allow for displaced families to return to northern gaza. it's also reported to involve, new wording on restoring calm to gaza, designed to satisfy hamas's demand for a permanent ceasefire. a source close to the talks told the bbc the new proposal from israel is significantly different from previous offers. meanwhile, the top us diplomat antony blinken has arrived injordan on the second leg of his latest middle east tour. he'll meet king abdullah and senior officials with discussions expected to focus on boosting aid deliveries to gaza. the us secretary of state is due to fly to israel later to discuss the ceasefire negotiations. earlier, i spoke to nawaf al thani, the former qatari director
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of defence intelligence operations, and former defence attache to the us. i asked him how close these negotiations are. i think we're very close. the deal seems to be structured, as you said, quite differently, and unfortunately, as we've seen in the past, usually at the last minute, as well, things tend to break down. we're keeping an eye on that, obviously, all over the middle east and i'm sure in washington as well. but the latest news from israel and the reporting of the possible or probable land offensive in rafah, maybe that 11th hour spoilerfor this deal. i was going to ask you, what do you think are the gaps that still need to be filled? well, again, ithink communications between the two parties is still not there. while there is a basis
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for an agreement that yesterday lord cameron and secretary blinken both said was generous, today, prime minister netanyahu and many members of his cabinet came out in saying that, you know, no matter what, the war will go on until the goal and the end of the war is achieved. the goals have been achieved, which is the destruction of hamas. now, that happening within 2a hours of that statement from the americans is counterproductive, i would think. and it sends a message that may be understood from hamas as being defiant in terms of areas of movement. as being defiant. in terms of areas of movement, how significant is it we're now discussing a 40—day ceasefire, not a permanent ceasefire? also, we seem to hit a major hurdle a couple of weeks ago when hamas was talking about not being in control of all of the hostages. now, the numbers there, again,
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seem to have been reduced in terms of what we're talking about for releases. is that significant movement as well, do you think? i think it's significant movement. it is definitely structured in a different way. unfortunately, as we've seen in the past, hamas and other factions in gaza have said that they don't may not have a clear number of all the hostages where they're located. there is the possibility, in fact we know that there have been hostages that have been killed, through either bombings or internally in gaza, depending on on the story. it's quite unclear. so getting back all the hostages is the unclear bit about this. now, moving forward, this is structured differently. now, will the israelis stick to the plan and not attack rafah before that? that is the big question, because if that continues to happen, it's very unrealistic to expect that hamas would agree to a ceasefire.
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benjamin netanyahu says, israel will carry out an operation in rafah regardless of whether a ceasefire deal is reached with hamas in gaza. he made the comments, during a meeting with the families of hostages, where he reiterated that israel would eliminate hama, and achieve "total victory." a large protest was held in tel aviv last night calling for the hostages to be released. large fires were lit, with demonstrators clashing with police. a large protest was held in tel aviv last night calling for the hostages to be released. large fires were lit, with demonstrators clashing with police. a large protest was held in tel aviv last night calling for the hostages to be released. large fires were lit, with demonstrators clashing with police. moshe emmelio lavi spoke to us earlier. his brother in law is held hostage by hamas in gaza, he gave us his thoughts on the new possiblities of a ceasefire agreement. we are trying to be as hopeful as possible. try not to let statements made to political basis as done today by the prime minister, prime minister netanyahu. as done a few days
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ago by the finance minister and focus on on the reports and what we receive behind closed doors, indications that there is a deal on the table, that israel is agreeing to that deal, or at least to significant portions of that deal, and that we are waiting for hamas to respond. most likely tomorrow night, after they left cairo today. and we as a family received some sort of glimmer of hope three days ago, on saturday evening, when hamas released the psychological warfare of my brother—in—law depicting him alive recently. and so we hope that is we don't pay attention to the content, but we hope that the fact is alive and others are still alive will give the government and to other stakeholders the push to close the deal as soon as possible. i wanted to ask you about exactly what you've just touched on, because every time we have spoken over the weeks, over the months, you had heard nothing about your brother in law. we've had a change in
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the last seven days. what was that like to actually hear that news, see that video? it was a difficult experience for our family. i'm in israel right now. we normally speak when i'm in the us where i'm based. i returned to israel to mark passover with my family. we were scattered all around, to be honest. i was on my way to the rally in tel aviv on saturday evening. my sister had a medical issue and other members of the family were not together. but we received a notification. a video came out. we run back to where my family is in southern israel and processed the video together. processed our emotions. it was difficult to watch. he doesn't look the same, the glimmer in his eyes is no longer there. the smile is gone. he looks frail and weak, but is alive. and that's what we're trying to focus on, because it gives us and that's what we're
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trying to focus on. news coming in from the uk, that two men have been charged with causing criminal damage to the famous sycamore gap tree and also adrian swore last september in northumberland. that news coming from the crown prosecution service. that story getting so much response at the time when it was felt. that news coming in from the crown prosecution service. two men have been charged with causing criminal damage to that tree and he dreams will.
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the international court ofjustice has ruled, that it will not order germany to halt military aid to israel. nicaragua had accused berlin of breaching the genocide convention, and making itself an accessory to the killing of civilians in gaza. the german government says the allegations were unjustified. thejudgment, or rather the order itself is not particularly illuminating. it recites its powers. it recites the allegations made by nicaragua, the defence advanced by the state of israel with an account of the weapons it has given, the weapons it has yet to decide to give, and the measures it has to ensure that the weapons are not improperly used. and then it goes on. i'll read you what it says.
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to say no more than based on the factual information and legal arguments presented by the parties. to say no more than, "based on the factual and legal arguments presented by the parties, the court concludes that at present the circumstances are not such as to require its power, which is the power to order provisional measures." that doesn't really present an explanation of why not. it simply says that it decides there is not enough evidence at the moment. i was going to ask in terms of why, thatis i was going to ask in terms of why, that is critical. presumably, i know this case has been struck down, presumably a case like this could be brought against other countries supporting israel militarily. knowing why is going to be critical, isn't it? i knowing why is going to be critical, isn't it? ~ , , knowing why is going to be critical, isn't it? ~' , , ., isn't it? i think the premise of our isn't it? i think the premise of your question _ isn't it? i think the premise of your question is _ isn't it? i think the premise of your question is slightly - isn't it? i think the premise of. your question is slightly wrong. it has not struck the case down because germany asked for the case to be taken out of the list, to remove it altogether and declined to do that.
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the case is still there, it is possible for nicaragua to prove genocide against germany. —— as against germany. provisional measures require the need for certain things to be proved, including immediate steps to be taken because of the immediate risk to in this case as in citizens of being subject to genocide. 0n the evidence available, the court did not make that finding in respect of the element of conduct by israel facilitated or caused or permitted by the very particular weapons israel had provided. that is very much a limited factual finding and i think it will not stop other countries pursuing other countries in the way for example south africa pursued israel itself. it won't stop other countries pursuing for example united states of america for
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provision of weaponry. 0bviously from the point of view of the gazans and palestinians, this is a disappointment. but it may also serve as a bit a caution in this feed brian atmosphere where loyalties to one side or the other are emotional as well as factually and legally based. it may... a measure of caution not to jump to soon. king charles has been visiting a cancer treatment centre in london — it's his first major public engagement, since his diagnosis with the disease, in february. he was accompanied by queen camilla, which aims to raise awareness of the importance of early diagnosis. 0ur royal correspondent — sarah campbell — is at that treatment centre — and has more details about the king's visit.
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meeting with cancer patients and their was a personal element to the city. the king talking to patients knows exactly what they are going through. he is going through it himself and there were interesting comments. 0ne himself and there were interesting comments. one said to the king i really appreciate what you are doing, we have got to stick together. the king was asked how he was, he said imo right, not too bad and told another patient he was going to have more treatment this afternoon. an insight into the king's well—being but the message promoted was very much the importance of early diagnosis, something the king and catherine,
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princess of wales has been trying to promote in the middle of what must be a very difficult circumstance for them personally. we be a very difficult circumstance for them personally.— be a very difficult circumstance for them personally. we are waiting for that news conference _ them personally. we are waiting for that news conference in _ them personally. we are waiting for that news conference in east - them personally. we are waiting for| that news conference in east london stop you see the microphone is set up. we are told it is not far away from starting. we have the latest picture coming to us here at the bbc which i want to put onto the screen. 36—year—old man currently in custody but images emerging all the time of those events that happened earlier. we are expecting to hear from the police and will bring you that picture. in fact, there it is. as you can see, the picture is the sword and of course we know the
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details that have emerged so far, horrifying details, a 14—year—old boy dying in this incident. for other people injured, two of those police officers and those people being treated in hospital. those treatments continuing but we are expecting the latest details from the police, alerted after hearing reports a car had been driven into a house in hainault. then of course the events that followed that, that distressing detail and we had heard from buckingham palace the thoughts of the king, that statement in the last hour and a half with buckingham palace saying the king's thoughts and prayers are with those affected by the horrific hainault stabbings, in particular the family of the young victim who has lost his life. that is the latest from the king and
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buckingham palace. we will get the latest from detectives at the scene in the next few minutes. we will take a break. when that starts we will return. i hesitate slightly because actually, i think that news conference is about to get started. rather than go to the break, let's put the microphones up and get the latest from the police there following the terrible incident we saw in full here. my partners from london ambulance service, fire brigade and the council were all working closely with us. our thoughts of course remain with the family and friends of the 14—year—old died here this morning. we will be there to provide every possible support to them and ensure we get them the answers they need. we are also thinking of the members of the public who were injured as well as brave officers stabbed during this incident. the
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36—year—old man arrested at the scene is currently in hospital having suffered injuries when his van collided with a building. he has been arrested on suspicion of murder. at this time we have been a unable to interview him given his injuries. we know there is speculation about his background including police contact with him and despite urgent and extensive checks today, we have found no trace of a prior incident involving him so far. we will of course continue to make those inquiries. as a matter of urgency we are trying to understand exactly what happened and why. this was and is a fast—moving and complex incident and investigation and will take us some time to establish the facts. this will be our priority in the coming days. with the suspect in custody we are satisfied there is no threat to the wider community but this is an incident clearly which has shocked everyone.
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please speak to our officers. we are keen to speak to anyone with relevant information and would ask become forward as soon as possible. we have set up a team of local police officers to respond to local community concerns specifically, and finally, i would like to take the opportunity to ask people to think very carefully about what they post on social media. there are some graphic images circulating on line and people should consider the impact of those on the families and those most closely affected by this incident. thank you.— those most closely affected by this incident. thank you. good afternoon. i want to begin _ incident. thank you. good afternoon. i want to begin by — incident. thank you. good afternoon. i want to begin by saying _ incident. thank you. good afternoon. i want to begin by saying on - incident. thank you. good afternoon. i want to begin by saying on behalf. i want to begin by saying on behalf the london ambulance service that
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our thoughts are with all those

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