was there, example than that. and i was there, in the room, helping to create a police service that could work for all communities. trying to move a nation slowly but surely towards the hard work, the long work, the patient work of real change. i don't want to stretch that analogy too much but it is what the hard graft of change needs and it is about tackling the issue of small boats. if i am to serve this country and if i urge that privilege i will turn the page on the westminster talk tough, do nothing culture, not just on small boats, migration, but on everything. and i do not know if

thatis on everything. and i do not know if that is new politics or whether it's a return to the bare minimum you should expect but if you vote for the labour party you will get this. and if you do not believe me after 14 years of broken promises from the tories, that is understandable but as the chief prosecutor for the country i smashed terrorist gangs and i know we can smash the people smuggling gangs. i dragged my party away from the allure of gesture politics and i will do exactly the same to westminster. no more gimmicks, the character of politics will change. and through that, we will change. and through that, we will deliver higher growth, safer streets, and nhs back on its feet, more opportunity in your community, cheaper bills in your home and secure borders for our nation. an asylum system rebuilt, criminal gangs smashed, the exploitation of

some of the most vulnerable people in the world prevented. an end to the chaos, turning of the page, politics returned to service and a careful, patient, determined, renewal of our country. that is the future you can choose, that is what serious government can deliver. thank you very much. applause. thank you. thank you all very much. i am now going to take a number of questions from the media. starting with beth rigby. from the media. starting with beth rib . . ~' from the media. starting with beth rib. . ~' ., from the media. starting with beth rib. ., ~ ., from the media. starting with beth rib . ., ~ a, a, rigby. thank you. you say you are auoin to rigby. thank you. you say you are going to end _ rigby. thank you. you say you are going to end the — rigby. thank you. you say you are

going to end the big _ rigby. thank you. you say you are going to end the big talked - rigby. thank you. you say you are going to end the big talked of, - rigby. thank you. you say you are j going to end the big talked of, the talk big _ going to end the big talked of, the talk big and — going to end the big talked of, the talk big and do— going to end the big talked of, the talk big and do nothing _ going to end the big talked of, the talk big and do nothing type - going to end the big talked of, the talk big and do nothing type of- talk big and do nothing type of rhetoric— talk big and do nothing type of rhetoric around _ talk big and do nothing type of rhetoric around small- talk big and do nothing type of rhetoric around small boats i talk big and do nothing type of rhetoric around small boats soj talk big and do nothing type of. rhetoric around small boats so let me ask _ rhetoric around small boats so let me ask you — rhetoric around small boats so let me ask you this _ rhetoric around small boats so let me ask you this. both _ rhetoric around small boats so let me ask you this. both crossings l rhetoric around small boats so let. me ask you this. both crossings hit 30,000 _ me ask you this. both crossings hit 30,000 pennie _ me ask you this. both crossings hit 30,000 pennie in— me ask you this. both crossings hit 30,000 people in 2023. _ me ask you this. both crossings hit 30,000 people in 2023. if- me ask you this. both crossings hit 30,000 people in 2023. if you - me ask you this. both crossings hit 30,000 people in 2023. if you win| me ask you this. both crossings hit. 30,000 people in 2023. if you win an election_ 30,000 people in 2023. if you win an election what's — 30,000 people in 2023. if you win an election what's your— 30,000 people in 2023. if you win an election what's your target _ 30,000 people in 2023. if you win an election what's your target four- election what's your target four cfossings— election what's your target four crossings by— election what's your target four crossings by the _ election what's your target four crossings by the end _ election what's your target four crossings by the end of- election what's your target four crossings by the end of 2026 l election what's your target four. crossings by the end of 2026 once your scheme — crossings by the end of 2026 once your scheme is— crossings by the end of 2026 once your scheme is up— crossings by the end of 2026 once your scheme is up and _ crossings by the end of 2026 once your scheme is up and running - crossings by the end of 2026 oncel your scheme is up and running and last week, — your scheme is up and running and last week, you _ your scheme is up and running and last week, you told _ your scheme is up and running and last week, you told me _ your scheme is up and running and last week, you told me you - your scheme is up and running and last week, you told me you wouldl your scheme is up and running and i last week, you told me you would not continue _ last week, you told me you would not continue the — last week, you told me you would not continue the reminder— last week, you told me you would not continue the reminder scheme - last week, you told me you would not continue the reminder scheme but. last week, you told me you would notl continue the reminder scheme but you did not— continue the reminder scheme but you did not commit— continue the reminder scheme but you did not commit to _ continue the reminder scheme but you did not commit to stopping _ continue the reminder scheme but you did not commit to stopping flights - did not commit to stopping flights on day— did not commit to stopping flights on day one — did not commit to stopping flights on day one of— did not commit to stopping flights on day one of a _ did not commit to stopping flights on day one of a labour— did not commit to stopping flights . on day one of a labour government. so will_ on day one of a labour government. so will you _ on day one of a labour government. so will you commit _ on day one of a labour government. so will you commit to _ on day one of a labour government. so will you commit to that _ on day one of a labour government. so will you commit to that right - so will you commit to that right now? _ so will you commit to that right now? . ~ so will you commit to that right now? ., ,, , ., so will you commit to that right now? ., , i. , , now? thank you. on the numbers, we've not now? thank you. on the numbers, we've got to _ now? thank you. on the numbers, we've got to get — now? thank you. on the numbers, we've got to get those _ now? thank you. on the numbers, we've got to get those numbers i now? thank you. on the numbers, i we've got to get those numbers down materially. let's be absolutely clear. nobody should be making the perilous journey, clear. nobody should be making the perilousjourney, it is not clear. nobody should be making the perilous journey, it is not in the interests of anyone and nobody who is serious about politics should suggest otherwise, it is not

progressive or compassionate to allow people to cross and that way and lose control of the borders so we need to bring the numbers down drastically. the question is how we do it. it is a trade run by gangs. and i absolutely refuse to accept that it's not possible to take those gangs down. i spent five years working with others on operations to take down terrorist gangs and to take down terrorist gangs and to take down terrorist gangs and to take down gangs that were running guns and drugs. i do not believe for one second that these gangs are more sophisticated than the gangs that we took down so i refused to accept it is impossible for is why i want to set up this command. i refuse to accept the work cannot be done in the boats which are being made to order cannot be intercepted. they are being held on the continent and brought to the north coast of france in one absolutely convinced this can done to get the numbers down. we will scrap the reminder scheme and i said that to you when we met last

week, or the time before last. that means ending the scheme absolutely, flights and all. it is not going to work, it is an absolute waste of money and a gimmick not a solution. the point of the last point in my speech is to say i am not prepared to have a government that is run on gimmicks because that will not produce the change people desperately need. thank you so much. anushka from itv news. you clearly want to _ anushka from itv news. you clearly want to reach — anushka from itv news. you clearly want to reach out _ anushka from itv news. you clearly want to reach out across _ anushka from itv news. you clearly want to reach out across the - anushka from itv news. you clearly want to reach out across the aisle i want to reach out across the aisle but how _ want to reach out across the aisle but how are — want to reach out across the aisle but how are you _ want to reach out across the aisle but how are you prepared - want to reach out across the aisle but how are you prepared to - want to reach out across the aisle i but how are you prepared to stretch. is but how are you prepared to stretch. is nigel— but how are you prepared to stretch. is nigel forage — but how are you prepared to stretch. is nigel farage welcome _ but how are you prepared to stretch. is nigel farage welcome in- but how are you prepared to stretch. is nigel farage welcome in this i but how are you prepared to stretch. is nigel farage welcome in this newl is nigel farage welcome in this new labour— is nigel farage welcome in this new labour party? — is nigel farage welcome in this new labour party? your— is nigel farage welcome in this new labour party? your shadow - is nigel farage welcome in this new labour party? your shadow healthl labour party? your shadow health secretary— labour party? your shadow health secretary suggested _ labour party? your shadow health secretary suggested we _ labour party? your shadow health secretary suggested we should i labour party? your shadow health i secretary suggested we should draw the line _ secretary suggested we should draw the line at— secretary suggested we should draw the line at li2— secretary suggested we should draw the line at liz truss _ secretary suggested we should draw the line at liz truss so _ secretary suggested we should draw the line at liz truss so is _ secretary suggested we should draw the line at liz truss so is everyone l the line at liz truss so is everyone with politics — the line at liz truss so is everyone with politics up _ the line at liz truss so is everyone with politics up to _ the line at liz truss so is everyone with politics up to her— the line at liz truss so is everyone with politics up to her i— the line at liz truss so is everyone with politics up to her i am - the line at liz truss so is everyone with politics up to her i am very. with politics up to her i am very pleased — with politics up to her i am very pleased to _ with politics up to her i am very pleased to welcome _ with politics up to her i am very pleased to welcome natalie i with politics up to her i am very- pleased to welcome natalie elphicke to the _ pleased to welcome natalie elphicke to the labour— pleased to welcome natalie elphicke to the labour party _ pleased to welcome natalie elphicke to the labour party and _ pleased to welcome natalie elphicke to the labour party and you - pleased to welcome natalie elphicke to the labour party and you heard i to the labour party and you heard for yourself — to the labour party and you heard for yourself the _ to the labour party and you heard for yourself the reasons _ to the labour party and you heard for yourself the reasons she i to the labour party and you heard for yourself the reasons she tookl to the labour party and you heard l for yourself the reasons she took a very difficult — for yourself the reasons she took a very difficult step, _ for yourself the reasons she took a very difficult step, a _ for yourself the reasons she took a very difficult step, a very— very difficult step, a very difficult _ very difficult step, a very difficult thing _ very difficult step, a very difficult thing to -

very difficult step, a very difficult thing to cross i very difficult step, a veryl difficult thing to cross the very difficult step, a very- difficult thing to cross the floor of the — difficult thing to cross the floor of the house _ difficult thing to cross the floor of the house of _ difficult thing to cross the floor of the house of commons i difficult thing to cross the floor| of the house of commons from difficult thing to cross the floor- of the house of commons from one party— of the house of commons from one party to— of the house of commons from one party to another _ of the house of commons from one party to another and _ of the house of commons from one party to another and nobody- of the house of commons from one party to another and nobody does l of the house of commons from onej party to another and nobody does it without _ party to another and nobody does it without a _ party to another and nobody does it without a huge _ party to another and nobody does it without a huge amount _ party to another and nobody does it without a huge amount of _ party to another and nobody does it without a huge amount of thought. | without a huge amount of thought. her conclusion, _ without a huge amount of thought. her conclusion, having _ without a huge amount of thought. her conclusion, having thought i without a huge amount of thought. i her conclusion, having thought about this profoundly is that rishi sunak has effectively lost control of the borders, that the tory party is characterised by incompetence and the labour party has changed and i think that is a very powerful thing to say. it's testament to the hard work we have put in on the labour party and this change labour party or to be a place for reasonably minded people whichever way they have voted in the past, feel that they can join with our project to change the country for the better. it is an invitation that we should be less tribal in the pursuit of a better country. and invite people to our party who want to join in better country. and invite people to our party who want tojoin in our project of national renewal and i am very pleased to be able to extend that invitation notjust to labour

voters but to people who have voted for other parties in the past because i genuinely believe that reasonable minded people want their country to do better, one progress for themselves, their families and communities and they will want to join the hard work, not the gimmicks, that this change labour party will bring. thank you. i am not going to go into... that the last person i think you would want tojoin the labour last person i think you would want to join the labour party but a list of names does not help. nigel farage will not want to join labour but there is a serious point underpinning this, if we are to renew our country we need to ensure renew oui’ country we need to ensure we carry as many renew our country we need to ensure we carry as many people with us as possible and i genuinely think most reasonably minded people across the country who may or may not be into politics, we think about it all the time but most people do not, do want a better country for their family and their community and they want the country to go forward and what i want is a decade of national

renewal. people say maybe i have always voted for the labour party but this is a serious proposition about improving the country and i make no bones about that, maybe because i came into politics later in life, i did and spent my formative years in the tribal politics of westminster but it matters to me we are able to have a project that reasonable people feel i can get behind. thank you. i better get slightly shorter answers. chris, no reflection on your question. chris, no reflection on your question-— chris, no reflection on your cuestion. ., , ., question. you can be as long as you like. question. you can be as long as you like- chris — question. you can be as long as you like. chris mason, _ question. you can be as long as you like. chris mason, bbc— question. you can be as long as you like. chris mason, bbc news. i question. you can be as long as you like. chris mason, bbc news. can l question. you can be as long as you like. chris mason, bbc news. can i| like. chris mason, bbc news. can i push _ like. chris mason, bbc news. can i push you _ like. chris mason, bbc news. can i push you on— like. chris mason, bbc news. can i push you on the _ like. chris mason, bbc news. can i push you on the specifics _ like. chris mason, bbc news. can i push you on the specifics of - like. chris mason, bbc news. can i push you on the specifics of what . push you on the specifics of what success _ push you on the specifics of what success looks _ push you on the specifics of what success looks like? _ push you on the specifics of what success looks like? you - push you on the specifics of what success looks like? you talked i push you on the specifics of what i success looks like? you talked about getting _ success looks like? you talked about getting the _ success looks like? you talked about getting the numbers _ success looks like? you talked about getting the numbers down _ success looks like? you talked aboutj getting the numbers down materially but what _ getting the numbers down materially but what does — getting the numbers down materially but what does that _ getting the numbers down materially but what does that mean? _ getting the numbers down materially but what does that mean? does i getting the numbers down materially but what does that mean? does it i but what does that mean? does it mean _ but what does that mean? does it mean having — but what does that mean? does it mean having small— but what does that mean? does it mean having small book- but what does that mean? does iti mean having small book crossings, eradicating — mean having small book crossings, eradicating them _ mean having small book crossings, eradicating them entirely— mean having small book crossings, eradicating them entirely with i mean having small book crossings, eradicating them entirely with the i eradicating them entirely with the neighhours— eradicating them entirely with the neighbours labour— eradicating them entirely with the neighbours labour party - eradicating them entirely with the neighbours labour party term i eradicating them entirely with the neighbours labour party term and eradicating them entirely with the i neighbours labour party term and to be specific— neighbours labour party term and to be specific about _ neighbours labour party term and to be specific about the _ neighbours labour party term and to be specific about the cancellation i be specific about the cancellation of the _ be specific about the cancellation of the reminder— be specific about the cancellation of the reminder scheme, - be specific about the cancellation of the reminder scheme, can i be specific about the cancellation of the reminder scheme, can youj of the reminder scheme, can you answer— of the reminder scheme, can you answer explicitly _ of the reminder scheme, can you answer explicitly does— of the reminder scheme, can you answer explicitly does that - of the reminder scheme, can you answer explicitly does that meanj of the reminder scheme, can you i answer explicitly does that mean no flights _ answer explicitly does that mean no

flights taking — answer explicitly does that mean no flights taking off— answer explicitly does that mean no flights taking off from _ answer explicitly does that mean no flights taking off from the _ answer explicitly does that mean no flights taking off from the momentl flights taking off from the moment you become — flights taking off from the moment you become prime _ flights taking off from the moment you become prime minister? i flights taking off from the moment you become prime minister? let. flights taking off from the moment you become prime minister? let me deal with those _ you become prime minister? let me deal with those in _ you become prime minister? let me deal with those in two _ you become prime minister? let me deal with those in two parts. - you become prime minister? let me deal with those in two parts. we i deal with those in two parts. we need to dramatically reduce the numbers, obviously i would like it to come down properly, i will not put a false number in but i will not shy away from the fact it needs to materially reduce in the numbers need to come right down and we have to stop the file traders running it in the first place. i have seen that done as i have said in relation to terrorism. in relation to drug smuggling. gun smuggling. it can be done and when you do it you stop in the terrorist case, you stop a planned operation whatever it may be. one of the proudest things i did with the crown prosecution service was operation over it, a plan to bring down seven aeroplanes at the same time as they were crossing the atlantic. you can take very effective action to reduce those numbers but it requires serious

coordination and serious action of the sort that we have set out today. this is the complete opposite of the gimmick, iwill this is the complete opposite of the gimmick, i will not pretend this is hard work and that is why i said i will not pretend this is easy, you flick a switch but it is hard work based on my experience of having done this in relation to other gangs and i do not accept this outfit, this operation is any more sophisticated than ones i have already dealt with as others have dealt with. as far as rand is concerned, we will cancel the scheme. we do not think the policy is going to work and we think it costs a fortune. of course that means we will not operate the scheme at all, i'm not interested, it is a gimmick, iwill at all, i'm not interested, it is a gimmick, i will not log a dead horse. this is about political capital. the prime minister has chosen to put his political capital which is considerable behind the reminder scheme but i will put mine

into the setting up the command and working with other governments to ensure that it works effectively and thatis ensure that it works effectively and that is about choice but that is the choice i would make. thank you. natasha from lbc. can i push you on the timetable — natasha from lbc. can i push you on the timetable for— natasha from lbc. can i push you on the timetable for this. _ natasha from lbc. can i push you on the timetable for this. you _ natasha from lbc. can i push you on the timetable for this. you said i the timetable for this. you said you're — the timetable for this. you said you're going _ the timetable for this. you said you're going to— the timetable for this. you said you're going to scrap— the timetable for this. you said you're going to scrap the - the timetable for this. you said you're going to scrap the room| the timetable for this. you said i you're going to scrap the room and a plan but _ you're going to scrap the room and a plan but will— you're going to scrap the room and a plan but will this _ you're going to scrap the room and a plan but will this be _ you're going to scrap the room and a plan but will this be in— you're going to scrap the room and a plan but will this be in your- you're going to scrap the room and a plan but will this be in your first i plan but will this be in your first 100 days — plan but will this be in your first 100 days and _ plan but will this be in your first 100 days and on _ plan but will this be in your first 100 days and on the _ plan but will this be in your first 100 days and on the reaction i plan but will this be in your first. 100 days and on the reaction from your own — 100 days and on the reaction from your own mp5 _ 100 days and on the reaction from your own mp5 to _ 100 days and on the reaction from your own mps to natalie - 100 days and on the reaction from your own mps to natalie elphickel 100 days and on the reaction from i your own mps to natalie elphicke and her defection, — your own mps to natalie elphicke and her defection, it's _ your own mps to natalie elphicke and her defection, it's been _ your own mps to natalie elphicke and her defection, it's been one - your own mps to natalie elphicke and her defection, it's been one of- her defection, it's been one of shock— her defection, it's been one of shock and _ her defection, it's been one of shock and anger— her defection, it's been one of shock and anger and - her defection, it's been one of shock and anger and jess - her defection, it's been one of. shock and anger and jess phillips has said — shock and anger and jess phillips has said it's _ shock and anger and jess phillips has said it's like _ shock and anger and jess phillips has said it's like being _ shock and anger and jess phillips has said it's like being punched l shock and anger and jess phillips| has said it's like being punched in the gut _ has said it's like being punched in the out one _ has said it's like being punched in the out one mp_ has said it's like being punched in the gut. one mp is— has said it's like being punched in the gut. one mp is reported - has said it's like being punched in the gut. one mp is reported to. has said it's like being punched in. the gut. one mp is reported to have cried at— the gut. one mp is reported to have cried at the — the gut. one mp is reported to have cried at the news _ the gut. one mp is reported to have cried at the news but _ the gut. one mp is reported to have cried at the news but are _ the gut. one mp is reported to have cried at the news but are you - cried at the news but are you concerned _ cried at the news but are you concerned she _ cried at the news but are you concerned she makes- cried at the news but are you concerned she makes you . cried at the news but are you concerned she makes you a i cried at the news but are you i concerned she makes you a very cried at the news but are you - concerned she makes you a very easy target _ concerned she makes you a very easy target for— concerned she makes you a very easy target for tory — concerned she makes you a very easy target for tory political _ concerned she makes you a very easy target for tory political attacks - target for tory political attacks and makes _ target for tory political attacks and makes you _ target for tory political attacks and makes you look— target for tory political attacks and makes you look like - target for tory political attacks and makes you look like a - target for tory political attacks| and makes you look like a man target for tory political attacks - and makes you look like a man that does _ and makes you look like a man that does not _ and makes you look like a man that does not stand _ and makes you look like a man that does not stand for— and makes you look like a man that does not stand for anything? - and makes you look like a man that does not stand for anything? 0n- and makes you look like a man that does not stand for anything? on the timetable we _ does not stand for anything? on the timetable we will _ does not stand for anything? on the timetable we will get _ does not stand for anything? on the timetable we will get rid _ does not stand for anything? on the timetable we will get rid of - does not stand for anything? on the timetable we will get rid of the - timetable we will get rid of the policy straightaway, i will not continue a policy which costs a fortune and i do not think will work. i would fortune and i do not think will work. iwould rather use fortune and i do not think will work. i would rather use that money and put it behind the command we will set up and that can be set up very quickly. it doesn't require

primary legislation, some of the powers i have outlined are already in primary legislation and others will require some legislation which i think we can pass quickly sol will require some legislation which i think we can pass quickly so i see it as a fast timetable to get this off the ground. in relation to natalie, this is a very important and significant crossing of the floor for the reasons natalie set out. and i think anybody reading the words she said would be persuaded that this is a very significant thing. you've got a tory party losing votes. losing mps, losing councillors and mayors across the country and it is a party that is on its last legs. it is out of road and ideas. that is why i genuinely think the mood of the country and natalie has picked up on this is for change. and a general election. and that is why nobody can understand why the prime minister is clinging on by his fingernails powerfor as

prime minister is clinging on by his fingernails power for as long as prime minister is clinging on by his fingernails powerfor as long as he can. you should do the decent thing, read the room and college general election. thank you. john read the room and college general election. thank you.— read the room and college general election. thank you. john from the mirror. election. thank you. john from the mirror- do — election. thank you. john from the mirror- do you _ election. thank you. john from the mirror. do you think— election. thank you. john from the mirror. do you think safe - election. thank you. john from the mirror. do you think safe and - election. thank you. john from the i mirror. do you think safe and legal roots— mirror. do you think safe and legal roots shoutd — mirror. do you think safe and legal roots should play _ mirror. do you think safe and legal roots should play a _ mirror. do you think safe and legal roots should play a role _ mirror. do you think safe and legal roots should play a role in - mirror. do you think safe and legal| roots should play a role in stopping the channel — roots should play a role in stopping the channel crossings? _ roots should play a role in stopping the channel crossings?— the channel crossings? look, when afghanistan. _ the channel crossings? look, when afghanistan, hong _ the channel crossings? look, when afghanistan, hong kong, _ the channel crossings? look, when afghanistan, hong kong, there - the channel crossings? look, when l afghanistan, hong kong, there have been routes set up but i think the better and most effective way to stop the crossings is great for gangs running this in the first place because they are making a huge amount of money exploiting vulnerable people. and they are doing at thinking they have got impunity. and that is going to be the most effective way to stop this vile trade and that is why i have brought my focus today on political capital behind the measures i outlined this morning. thank you. martina from the sun. the outlined this morning. thank you. martina from the sun.—

martina from the sun. the justice secretary alex — martina from the sun. the justice secretary alex chuck _ martina from the sun. the justice secretary alex chuck said - martina from the sun. the justice secretary alex chuck said today l martina from the sun. the justice | secretary alex chuck said today he believes _ secretary alex chuck said today he believes european _ secretary alex chuck said today he believes european convention - secretary alex chuck said today he believes european convention on l believes european convention on human _ believes european convention on human rights— believes european convention on human rights should _ believes european convention on human rights should adapt - believes european convention on human rights should adapt to i believes european convention on i human rights should adapt to meet the migration— human rights should adapt to meet the migration crisis. _ human rights should adapt to meet the migration crisis. would - human rights should adapt to meet the migration crisis. would you - human rights should adapt to meet the migration crisis. would you be l the migration crisis. would you be an ideologically— the migration crisis. would you be an ideologically opposed - the migration crisis. would you be an ideologically opposed to - the migration crisis. would you be i an ideologically opposed to european wide reform — an ideologically opposed to european wide reform of— an ideologically opposed to european wide reform of the _ an ideologically opposed to european wide reform of the echr_ an ideologically opposed to european wide reform of the echr and - an ideologically opposed to european wide reform of the echr and on- an ideologically opposed to european wide reform of the echr and on the i wide reform of the echr and on the un refugee — wide reform of the echr and on the un refugee convention— wide reform of the echr and on the un refugee convention do- wide reform of the echr and on the un refugee convention do you - wide reform of the echr and on the un refugee convention do you think there _ un refugee convention do you think there is— un refugee convention do you think there is a _ un refugee convention do you think there is a need _ un refugee convention do you think there is a need for— un refugee convention do you think there is a need for a _ un refugee convention do you think there is a need for a new, - un refugee convention do you think there is a need for a new, better. there is a need for a new, better global— there is a need for a new, better global asylum _ there is a need for a new, better global asylum framework? - there is a need for a new, better global asylum framework? i - there is a need for a new, better global asylum framework? i think it's a mistake _ global asylum framework? i think it's a mistake to _ global asylum framework? i think it's a mistake to think _ global asylum framework? i think it's a mistake to think that - global asylum framework? i think it's a mistake to think that it's - it's a mistake to think that it's the international instruments such as the european convention on human rights that's the problem. i don't. by rights that's the problem. i don't. by the end of this year there will be 100,000 people who have arrived whose claims cannot be processed. now, that means they cannot be returned. that is not european convention that says that, that is because the government is not processing claims. there will be people there from bangladesh. in a sane system they would be processed and returned to bangladesh. but they will stay in the uk. because they are not being processed. and the

government cannot say the european convention stopping that, they are choosing not to process the claims. the travel lodge amnesty. what will happen to them? we are all paying for their accommodation. the only answerfrom the for their accommodation. the only answer from the government should wonder. to get 100,000 people to rwanda? on the basis of the scheme as it now as we take 300 years. and that assumes nobody comes in those 300 years to add to the 100,000. that is how broken the system is. alex, i respect. but to say the european convention of human rights is the problem, the problem is a broken asylum system. process the claims and return people who should not be here, it is not rocket science, it is mundane and the most effective way to deal with the problem. thank you. harriet from the daily mail. you problem. thank you. harriet from the dail mail. ., . ., daily mail. you said you want to relace daily mail. you said you want to replace the _ daily mail. you said you want to replace the rwanda _ daily mail. you said you want to replace the rwanda policy - daily mail. you said you want to replace the rwanda policy but i daily mail. you said you want to i replace the rwanda policy but what will you _ replace the rwanda policy but what will you replace _ replace the rwanda policy but what will you replace it— replace the rwanda policy but what will you replace it with _ replace the rwanda policy but what will you replace it with and - replace the rwanda policy but what will you replace it with and do - replace the rwanda policy but what will you replace it with and do you.

will you replace it with and do you have _ will you replace it with and do you have a _ will you replace it with and do you have a plan— will you replace it with and do you have a plan to _ will you replace it with and do you have a plan to deter— will you replace it with and do you have a plan to deter migrants - will you replace it with and do you have a plan to deter migrants or. will you replace it with and do you . have a plan to deter migrants or are you replicating — have a plan to deter migrants or are you replicating small— have a plan to deter migrants or are you replicating small boats - have a plan to deter migrants or are. you replicating small boats command which _ you replicating small boats command which the _ you replicating small boats command which the government _ you replicating small boats command which the government has _ you replicating small boats command which the government has already i which the government has already introduced? — which the government has already introduced?— which the government has already introduced? , , ,, , introduced? firstly i think stopping the clans introduced? firstly i think stopping the gangs who _ introduced? firstly i think stopping the gangs who are _ introduced? firstly i think stopping the gangs who are getting - introduced? firstly i think stopping the gangs who are getting people i introduced? firstly i think stopping | the gangs who are getting people in boats is the most effective deterrent. because you cannot make the crossing to get here. the moment the crossing to get here. the moment the government is not securing the borders and stopping people arriving in the first place. assuming you have got here because we lost control of the borders, assuming you have sat here for a considerable period, we might send some of you to rwanda and they say that as a deterrent. is rishi sunak did a victory press conference, some of you have undoubtedly been there, two and a half weeks ago and since then thousands of people have come. since the royal assent, people who are vulnerable under the rwanda scheme, thousands of people have come. so the evidence that this is a deterrent, compared with smashing

the gangs in the first place is simply not there. i think processing the claims and swiftly sending people back to countries of origin as a deterrent because they made thatjourney as a deterrent because they made that journey and they as a deterrent because they made thatjourney and they have no right to be here. the biggest deterrent is the pointless exercise that it is and you are back where you started but that's not happening. returns are down a0 something percent under this government. that is not a deterrent and we must fix this with serious solutions. thank you. michael from the daily express. thank you. you spent and talked about— thank you. you spent and talked about swiftty _ thank you. you spent and talked about swiftly returning _ thank you. you spent and talked about swiftly returning failed - about swiftly returning failed asylum — about swiftly returning failed asylum seekers _ about swiftly returning failed asylum seekers but - about swiftly returning failed asylum seekers but where i about swiftly returning failed i asylum seekers but where are about swiftly returning failed - asylum seekers but where are you proposing — asylum seekers but where are you proposing to — asylum seekers but where are you proposing to send _ asylum seekers but where are you proposing to send them _ asylum seekers but where are you proposing to send them to? - asylum seekers but where are you proposing to send them to? will. asylum seekers but where are you . proposing to send them to? will you do a deal— proposing to send them to? will you do a deal with— proposing to send them to? will you do a deal with the _ proposing to send them to? will you do a deal with the taliban _ proposing to send them to? will you do a deal with the taliban in - do a deal with the taliban in afghanistan _ do a deal with the taliban in afghanistan or— do a deal with the taliban in afghanistan or syria? - do a deal with the taliban in afghanistan or syria? michael, if ou look afghanistan or syria? michael, if you look at _ afghanistan or syria? michael, if you look at the _ afghanistan or syria? michael, if you look at the countries - afghanistan or syria? michael, if you look at the countries people | afghanistan or syria? michael, if. you look at the countries people are coming from, there are countries in their people can be returned without any sort of return agreement.

bangladesh, india, plenty of countries, you do not need a written agreement to send people back to a safe country. afghanistan is different as assyria and i accept that, as is hong kong but for many of these countries, you do not need a return agreement. bangladesh is a classic example. why are people who come here from bangladesh sitting here and not going back? the government is not doing it. so this is not difficult territory, it is actually get on, roll up your sleeves and process the claims and get the system functioning. we can make a material difference. afghanistan i grant you as a different proposition because many people who came from afghanistan are fleeing from the taliban and we remember what the situation was like two years ago and that is why you're supposed to be in place a scheme for those fleeing from afghanistan to find safety. but we should not

overestimate and talk up the difficulty here. it is basic competence, and thank you so much. turns from the telegraph. itruthen competence, and thank you so much. turns from the telegraph.— turns from the telegraph. when you seek to negotiate _ turns from the telegraph. when you seek to negotiate a _ turns from the telegraph. when you seek to negotiate a return _ turns from the telegraph. when you seek to negotiate a return still- seek to negotiate a return still with the — seek to negotiate a return still with the eu, _ seek to negotiate a return still with the eu, if— seek to negotiate a return still with the eu, if and _ seek to negotiate a return still with the eu, if and when - seek to negotiate a return still with the eu, if and when you l seek to negotiate a return still. with the eu, if and when you get into government, _ with the eu, if and when you get into government, do _ with the eu, if and when you get into government, do you - with the eu, if and when you get into government, do you believe with the eu, if and when you get - into government, do you believe you can get— into government, do you believe you can get one — into government, do you believe you can get one and _ into government, do you believe you can get one and with— into government, do you believe you can get one and with there _ into government, do you believe you can get one and with there have - into government, do you believe you can get one and with there have to l can get one and with there have to be any— can get one and with there have to be any guid — can get one and with there have to be any quid pro— can get one and with there have to be any quid pro quo— can get one and with there have to be any quid pro quo go— can get one and with there have to be any quid pro quo go in- can get one and with there have to be any quid pro quo go in order- can get one and with there have to be any quid pro quo go in order to| be any quid pro quo go in order to achieve _ be any quid pro quo go in order to achieve that? _ be any quid pro quo go in order to achieve that? the _ be any quid pro quo go in order to achieve that?— achieve that? the first thing is on the back of _ achieve that? the first thing is on the back of the _ achieve that? the first thing is on the back of the last _ achieve that? the first thing is on the back of the last question - achieve that? the first thing is on the back of the last question it i achieve that? the first thing is on the back of the last question it is | the back of the last question it is perfectly possible to return people to their country of origin rather than the eu without an agreement with the eu and without an agreement other than basic consent from the country being dealt with and we must never lose sight of that. we lost the dublin agreement and that needs to be replaced in some way, shape or form. i would accept that. so there can be returns. but let me be absolutely clear, that does not

mean, the toriesjump in and say that meansjoining the eu mean, the toriesjump in and say that means joining the eu scheme mean, the toriesjump in and say that meansjoining the eu scheme but it does not and we will not do that, we are not a member of the eu and i am not interested injoining that scheme. but i am pressed on this point that returning to the country of origin which is the most effective thing to do, is done with the consent of the country we are sending people back to. that is not difficult. thank you. hell enough from the guardian. you difficult. thank you. hell enough from the guardian.— difficult. thank you. hell enough from the guardian. you spoke about the importance _ from the guardian. you spoke about the importance of— from the guardian. you spoke about the importance of natalie _ from the guardian. you spoke about the importance of natalie elphicke l the importance of natalie elphicke and her— the importance of natalie elphicke and her defection— the importance of natalie elphicke and her defection to _ the importance of natalie elphicke and her defection to the _ the importance of natalie elphicke and her defection to the party - the importance of natalie elphicke and her defection to the party but| and her defection to the party but will you _ and her defection to the party but will you extend _ and her defection to the party but will you extend an _ and her defection to the party but will you extend an invitation - and her defection to the party but will you extend an invitation to i and her defection to the party butj will you extend an invitation to all conservative _ will you extend an invitation to all conservative mps _ will you extend an invitation to all conservative mps who _ will you extend an invitation to all conservative mps who are - will you extend an invitation to alli conservative mps who are unhappy with the _ conservative mps who are unhappy with the government _ conservative mps who are unhappy with the government to _ conservative mps who are unhappy with the government to enter - conservative mps who are unhappy with the government to enter intoi with the government to enter into defection— with the government to enter into defection talks? _ with the government to enter into defection talks? that— with the government to enter into defection talks?— defection talks? that would be a lona list. long list. laughter. as i tried to set out, i want, if they are willing to serve and head up

they are willing to serve and head up a government that is absolutely focused on a decade of national renewal and i do want people who do not traditionally identify and vote for the labour party, who had voter for the labour party, who had voter for other parties in the past, to feel that's something they could subscribe to be part of. wherever that is. natalie has made a decision and set out in clear terms why she made that decision. i'm sure there are many other tory mps feeling defeated by this government. i don't know what the latest list of those is that a standing down but it is pretty high and i don't think we are at the end of the list. they can tell as well as anybody else and see for themselves it is a government out of ideas and road and steam and we need change. my brother point and it is important, it is to voters rather than parliamentarians, that this change labour party with this national project is a place where reasonably minded people can feel

that it reasonably minded people can feel thatitis reasonably minded people can feel that it is a project for them. notwithstanding how they may have voted in the past. thank you. qrchie voted in the past. thank you. archie from the independent? _ voted in the past. thank you. archie from the independent? do - voted in the past. thank you. archie from the independent? do you - voted in the past. thank you. archie from the independent? do you believe they will— from the independent? do you believe they will get _ from the independent? do you believe they will get a — from the independent? do you believe they will get a few— from the independent? do you believe they will get a few hundred _ from the independent? do you believe they will get a few hundred people - they will get a few hundred people after rwanda — they will get a few hundred people after rwanda before _ they will get a few hundred people after rwanda before the _ they will get a few hundred people after rwanda before the election? | after rwanda before the election? will you bring them back? - after rwanda before the election? will you bring them back? we - after rwanda before the election? will you bring them back?- will you bring them back? we will scra the will you bring them back? we will scrap the scheme _ will you bring them back? we will scrap the scheme but _ will you bring them back? we will scrap the scheme but we - will you bring them back? we will scrap the scheme but we are - will you bring them back? we will scrap the scheme but we are not i scrap the scheme but we are not interested in ringing people back. we will scrap the scheme and focus on the command and the powers i have set out this morning. stop clearly. a lot of the plants you set out today— a lot of the plants you set out today are _ a lot of the plants you set out today are pinned _ a lot of the plants you set out today are pinned on _ a lot of the plants you set out today are pinned on the - a lot of the plants you set outi today are pinned on the labour a lot of the plants you set out - today are pinned on the labour party hoping _ today are pinned on the labour party hoping it— today are pinned on the labour party hoping it can — today are pinned on the labour party hoping it can negotiate _ today are pinned on the labour party hoping it can negotiate closer- hoping it can negotiate closer cooperation— hoping it can negotiate closer cooperation between... - cooperation between... studio: _ cooperation between... srumo: we _ cooperation between... studio: we believe - cooperation between... l studio: we believe that cooperation between... - studio: we believe that news conference. we heard him set out his plans to tackle small—bore crossings in the year up untiljune 2023, there were 52,530 irregular migrants

coming into the uk, 85% of those were by small boats. all the major political parties have been setting out different plants on how to deal with that issue in what is likely to be an election year. just as sir keir starmer was speaking in dover, people were being brought ashore just a few hundred yards away. let's show you these pictures filmed by a bbc camera crew, migrants being brought ashore by the ship you can see. we are not sure if it belongs to the border force or the rnli, officials show another 116 people arrived by a small boats on tuesday bringing the total number of arrivals for the year so for to 8790, up 3a% on the same period last year. i am 8790, up 3a% on the same period last year. iamjoint 8790, up 3a% on the same period last year. i am joint by my colleagues harry bali from westminster and simonjones in dover. harry, there

was a lot to get through in the speech but i think the main takeaway from that seem to be there would not be a room and labour government. and it was all about creating a border security command. stopping the smugglers as an effective deterrent in the words of sir keir starmer but what else did he have to say? i what else did he have to say? i thought it was interesting how what else did he have to say? i thought it was interesting how he characterised much of the speech being about the character of politics is immigration. he talked about politics rewards big gestures and talks and disregards practicality and characterised the rwanda scheme as the latest in what he said was a series of gimmicks. he said it would neither be an effective deterrent nor a good use of money so labour would scrap the rwanda scheme to send those arriving in small boats to rwanda. and as you say, to set up a new border security

command. i thought it was interesting through the speech, a conservative source close to the home secretary texted to say in the mind of the conservatives they have a small boats operation command which they were arguing was very similar to what's care spoke about, but what is different about what labour would do according to sir keir starmer is it the border security command would have extra powers including counter terror powers including counter terror powers to stop and search enclosed bank accounts and so on. it would have £70 million worth of funding in the first year. a couple of quick caveats i thought was interesting on the question and answer session. keir starmer was asked about how many small boats he would reduce... the plan would reduce and what his target was but he did not give a straight answer. he said he looked to materially reduce the number of

small—bore crossings which is obviously different wording from the prime minister �*s stopped the boat suits are cared not setting a specific target on how much he would look to reduce if labour won the next election and the other thing is he said they would return asylum seekers and it's not clear whether those countries like afghanistan and syria, where they would be returned to. ., , syria, where they would be returned to. . , . ~' i., syria, where they would be returned to. ., .«g, �*, ., to. harry, thank you. let's go straiaht to. harry, thank you. let's go straight to — to. harry, thank you. let's go straight to simon _ to. harry, thank you. let's go straight to simon in _ to. harry, thank you. let's go straight to simon in dover. i straight to simon in dover. effectively, where qr is for the issues around the small—bore crossings are acutely felt from both perspectives. tell us what the feeling is in dover to the policies that are likely to be compared to what sir keir starmer said? taste

what sir keir starmer said? we really see _ what sir keir starmer said? we really see the small boats issue here _ really see the small boats issue here because standing appear on the famous _ here because standing appear on the famous white cliffs you see border for springing boats back to shore and in _ for springing boats back to shore and in fact— for springing boats back to shore and in factjust for springing boats back to shore and in fact just as sir for springing boats back to shore and in factjust as sir keir starmer was beginning his speech, the border force _ was beginning his speech, the border force was _ was beginning his speech, the border force was bringing two boats filled with migrants back to shore and our camera _ with migrants back to shore and our camera operator recorded those and we reckon— camera operator recorded those and we reckon so far today there was a boat that _ we reckon so far today there was a boat that arrived about 4:30am and we think— boat that arrived about 4:30am and we think three points in total have been _ we think three points in total have been brought ashore in dover carrying — been brought ashore in dover carrying around just under 200 people — carrying around just under 200 people. speaking to people in the town i_ people. speaking to people in the town i think they've heard lots of ideas _ town i think they've heard lots of ideas over— town i think they've heard lots of ideas over the years particularly from _ ideas over the years particularly from the — ideas over the years particularly from the government about how to stop the _ from the government about how to stop the boats. it was mentioned in the speech— stop the boats. it was mentioned in the speech by sir keir starmer the outlandish— the speech by sir keir starmer the outlandish ideas put forward such as a weight— outlandish ideas put forward such as a weight machine in the channel putting — a weight machine in the channel putting barriers up in the channel! i did putting barriers up in the channel! i did not— putting barriers up in the channel! i did not come to fruition but other ideas _ i did not come to fruition but other ideas have — i did not come to fruition but other ideas have been tried such as bringing — ideas have been tried such as bringing in the military but the

numbers— bringing in the military but the numbers have continued to go up especially— numbers have continued to go up especially this year and i think you -et especially this year and i think you get the _ especially this year and i think you get the feeling from people here in dover— get the feeling from people here in dover that they will believe it when they see _ dover that they will believe it when they see it — dover that they will believe it when they see it in terms of stopping the boats— they see it in terms of stopping the boats or— they see it in terms of stopping the boats or seeing the numbers come down _ boats or seeing the numbers come down in _ boats or seeing the numbers come down in a — boats or seeing the numbers come down in a very big way. for some interest— down in a very big way. for some interest in— down in a very big way. for some interest in what labour are doing but there — interest in what labour are doing but there is a feeling, speaking in the past _ but there is a feeling, speaking in the past to— but there is a feeling, speaking in the past to people who work for the nationat— the past to people who work for the national crime agency and border force. _ national crime agency and border force, there is already good cooperation amongst the agencies and they are _ cooperation amongst the agencies and they are already going after the criminal— they are already going after the criminal gangs and i understand the nca currently has 70 active investigations into big immigration crimes— investigations into big immigration crimes so— investigations into big immigration crimes so i— investigations into big immigration crimes so i think people will say is another— crimes so i think people will say is another idea putting forward and we will see _ another idea putting forward and we will see how it works.— will see how it works. simon in dover, thank _ will see how it works. simon in dover, thank you _ will see how it works. simon in dover, thank you so _ will see how it works. simon in dover, thank you so much. - will see how it works. simon in dover, thank you so much. we j will see how it works. simon in - dover, thank you so much. we will be backin dover, thank you so much. we will be back injust a dover, thank you so much. we will be back in just a couple of moments. you can see more coverage of the speech by sir keir starmer on the bbc news website.

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