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live from washington, this is bbc news special report. billions head to the polls around the world this year, as concerns grow about the impact of deceptive artificial intelligence on elections. us officials warn foreign adversaries could use the technology to influence elections, as the deep fakes become more convincing and sophisticated. hello, i'm caitriona perry. you're very welcome to this bbc special report. this is a bbc special report on the influence of artificial intelligence on global elections. more than 60 countries —
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and the eu — will head to the polls in 2024 and many already have. half the world's voting population, about 2 billion people, are expected to cast ballots. artificial intelligence has already begun to play substantial role in elections. and concerns are growing about how to protect the public from deepfakes that could sway their vote, especially as the technology becomes more sophisticated and convincing. in pakistan, an ai version ofjailed imran khan was released by his own team — claiming victory in february. and in argentina's elections, the new york times wrote an article showing multiple images released by both campaigns were digitally doctored. here in the us, voters in new hampshire received a fake robocall from presidentjoe biden — telling them not to vote in the state's primary back in january. take a listen. what a bunch of malarkey, winner of the value of 13 democratic when our birds count, it's important that you save your vote for the november election. we will need your help in electing democrats up and down the ticket. learning
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this tuesday enables a republican in their quest to re—elect more trump again. —— loading this tuesday. however, tech giants are pushing back. in feburary, 20 major companies — including adobe, amazon, google, ibm, meta, microsoft, openai, tiktok, and x — signed the tech accord at the munich security conference, an agreement to join forces to combat deepfakes and protect elections. more recently,tiktok annnounced on thursday that it will begin labeling ai—generated content. meanwhile, meta said last month it will do the same. the google—owned video—sharing platform youtube says it requires creators to disclose when realistic content is ai—generated. this week microsoft and openai announced a $2million societal resilience fund to further ai literacy, just before coming on air i spoke to ginny badanes, head of microsoft's democracy forward initiative about how tech companies can protect
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against bad actors. thank you forjoining us on bbc news. if we look at, as we are this year, so many elections, if we look at the issue of deepfakes, ai generated content, some of it is very, very hard to tell that it's not true, how can people know what they are listening to, what they are listening to, what they are listening to, what they are seeing is authentic? it's a great question, as you mentioned, this is a huge year for election and some of the 2 million people are going to go to the polls to vote so when you have generative ai to the polls to vote so when you have generative al on the rise of the same time, it's important that people have tools that they can use to decipher what ai is, what they can trust and also need to be able to access authoritative information so, can look at an image and know right away if it's real or not real? not necessarily, not quite yet but there are some things indicators that can look for such as if it's telling them a story, maybe not true, they can go look for the original source
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of information to see if they can get additional contacts around what the picture tells them. that's putting a lot of them. that's putting a lot of the emphasis on the user though, isn't it?- the emphasis on the user though, isn't it? should take companies — though, isn't it? should take companies do _ though, isn't it? should take companies do more? - though, isn't it? should take - companies do more? absolutely, this is a huge _ companies do more? absolutely, this is a huge role _ companies do more? absolutely, this is a huge role for— companies do more? absolutely, this is a huge role for tech - this is a huge role for tech companies, a whole lot of promise around indicators of trust so that labelling and watermarking of the companies are investing in and starting to make more available and more visible to the aid user but the reality is whether technology is and whether labelling is now, we need to invest in al literacy and training to the people on the other side know what questions they should be asking. figs what questions they should be askinu. r what questions they should be askinu. a ., asking. as part of your company. _ asking. as part of your company, your- asking. as part of your - company, your department, to track and chart out how much of this is out there, how is harmful material are you finding that same that the stabilising democracy or interfering with elections? we have been _ interfering with elections? - have been tracking what nationstates are doing in the space, there have been so many elections that we can look at so fine see what's happened and so fine see what's happened and so far, we haven't seen massive amounts of ai use to deceive people around elections but it
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doesn't mean it's not coming, doesn't mean it's not coming, doesn't mean it's not coming, doesn't mean that others on planning so it's important for us to continue reporting on what we are seeing and seen as adversaries do and again, equipping people particularly political campaigns and election officials with what they should do if they encounter that.- they should do if they encounter that. can you say that your — encounter that. can you say that your own _ encounter that. can you say that your own microsoft - that your own microsoft products are all are not being used to cause harm and contribute to this? we are doinu contribute to this? we are doing the _ contribute to this? we are doing the best _ contribute to this? we are doing the best we - contribute to this? we are doing the best we can - contribute to this? we are doing the best we can to l doing the best we can to hopefully not have that be the case, — hopefully not have that be the case, we _ hopefully not have that be the case, we have different policies, restrictions on our products— policies, restrictions on our products to ensure that they are not_ products to ensure that they are not being used for those purposes— are not being used for those purposes and again, policies and — purposes and again, policies and enforcement if we determine that someone has used them in a deceitfui— that someone has used them in a deceitful way or a way that goes — deceitful way or a way that goes around what our policy states _ goes around what our policy states if— goes around what our policy states. ., goes around what our policy states. . . ., states. if an election campaign. _ states. if an election campaign, if - states. if an election campaign, if a - states. if an election - campaign, if a candidate in states. if an election _ campaign, if a candidate in any country, not talking specifically about the us but if they want to target —— target their opponents with deceptive ai and want to show that to their own existing mailing list of supporters, is anything that any take company can do about that? if anything that any take company can do about that?— can do about that? if they are usin: it can do about that? if they are using it in _ can do about that? if they are using it in that _ can do about that? if they are using it in that way _ can do about that? if they are using it in that way and - using it in that way and determine that they've done so
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as a provider of technology, we can cut off usage for sure but there are some ways you can stop it in the first place and some tools in place to prevent that kind of in the beginning. i think what we're looking for is less likely to campaign using it for this purpose are more likely actors outside of the political space welcome to influence election. that's working with intelligent teams to see what we see this act is doing, how they are trying to —— manipulate the public and share with the public and government to know what they looking out for. share government to know what they looking out for.— looking out for. are there thins looking out for. are there things that _ looking out for. are there things that been - looking out for. are there l things that been targeted? looking out for. are there - things that been targeted? so far things that been targeted? sr far we see russia, for example, continuing to put propaganda about ukraine out into the space including into places where letters are coming up, to influence those people, it's hard to say for sure what their intentions are in different techniques like deepfakes being used and not super effective at the moment but again, this technology is improving and these actors are looking to leverage the best technology out there so we could continue
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to improve over time.- to improve over time. when it comes to _ to improve over time. when it comes to regulation, - to improve over time. when it | comes to regulation, microsoft and 20 other tech companies have signed the tech accords but that is self policing, self—regulating, there is no legislation in this country the eu has its ai asked, would you like to see legislation, should they be legislation?— they be legislation? there should be. _ they be legislation? there should be. the _ they be legislation? there should be. the tech - they be legislation? there| should be. the tech accord they be legislation? there - should be. the tech accord was a moment in time and take companies came together in a glimmers of the challenger were facing in this election cycle and the reality of the timeline which is, it takes a while to create legislation and enforce it but we are in the middle of an election cycle so the voluntary commitments with the tech industry's way of saying, we will step into this gap, identifying the challenges and commit to what we will do about it, that is not in the regulation, we want to see additional regulation from the us and from other governments. what about the freedom of expression? this political satire in the beginning of time and some would say some of this ai generated stuff is just that? ai generated stuff is 'ust that? �* ., ., ., ai generated stuff is 'ust that? ., ., ., , that? al generated material is
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not bad in _ that? al generated material is not bad in fact _ that? al generated material is not bad in fact political- not bad in fact political campaign using ai material is not bad, it's when it comes to the intent to deceive that we are really trying a line. if you put your words in someone else's mouth, that's fraud and thatis else's mouth, that's fraud and that is definitely going over a line. if you use ai that is definitely going over a line. if you use al to make a funny video about yourself, that's absolutely acceptable from a perspective so there is a difference between using the technology to further your message and using it to deceive others. ., others. 0k, we will leave it there, others. ok, we will leave it there, thank— others. 0k, we will leave it there, thank you _ others. 0k, we will leave it there, thank you so - others. 0k, we will leave it there, thank you so much. | in the us — tackling the threat of artificial intelligence before the november presidential election has become an significant priority across the government. on thursday, the fbi warned that foreign adversaries could use al to interfere in the election and spread disinformation. 0ne senior official says it is a concern that will probably see growth over the coming years. the department of homeland security has also warned election officials that generative ai could be used to enhance foreign—influence campaigns targeting the 2024 election cycle.
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and in congress, lawmakers are currently discussing legislation on al's impact in federal elections — however it is unlikely any will pass by november. one of those proposals is the protect elections from deceptive ai act. it's a bill that would ban the intentional publishing of "materially deceptive" ai—generated political ads that are intended to influence an election or raise money. joining me to discuss the effort is one of the bill's authors, democratic senator from delaware chris coons. thank you so much forjoining us on bbc news. let's talk about this year's election, uniface and the electric yourself commitment of the democratic party colleagues are including the presidentjoe biden, a close confidant of yours. how concerned is he, is the campaign, is a party as a whole, about the role deceptive ai may play? whole, about the role deceptive
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ai may play?— ai may play? thank you for a chance to — ai may play? thank you for a chance to be _ ai may play? thank you for a chance to be on _ ai may play? thank you for a chance to be on in _ ai may play? thank you for a chance to be on in the - ai may play? thank you for a chance to be on in the queuej chance to be on in the queue for your focus chance to be on in the queue for yourfocus on this for your focus on this challenging and important subject, i'm very concerned about the rapidly growing capability of ai, about the rapidly growing capability of al, to carrier for example fake telephone calls, mimicking someone's voice, we saw an episode of this in the new hampshire primary here, we saw deepfakes use to try and influence election in taiwan, we have seen it have an impact on the outcome of the election in slovakia. there is already election nearing a foot where ai fakes, with a video or audio can and will be used to try and deceive the public, to dissuade them from voting or to spread lies about what different candidates for office are doing and what they stand for. ii'idtu�*e and what they stand for. have ou and what they stand for. have you seen _ and what they stand for. have you seen any _ and what they stand for. have you seen any evidence - and what they stand for. have you seen any evidence of - and what they stand for. have you seen any evidence of that| you seen any evidence of that coming from foreign actors in this country?— coming from foreign actors in this country? yes. would you like to elaborate? _ this country? yes. would you like to elaborate? well, - this country? yes. would you | like to elaborate? well, things that i like to elaborate? well, things that i know _ like to elaborate? well, things that i know from _ like to elaborate? well, things that i know from classified -
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that i know from classified briefings, i won't talk about in detail, ijust say briefings, i won't talk about in detail, i just say that the previous segment where the person being interviewed was saying that a number of active foreign players have been using artificial intelligence to strengthen their disinformation campaigns with an intention to influence our election, that's quite accurate and in testimony, director of the fbi has said publicly that we have a number of adverse areas whether it's russia, china, dprk, north korea that are using this information and our artificial intelligence to seek to interfere with our elections.— to interfere with our elections. ., ., elections. your co-sponsor of the protect — elections. your co-sponsor of the protect election _ elections. your co-sponsor of the protect election found - the protect election found deceptive ai act, it has bipartisanship bought, one of theissues bipartisanship bought, one of the issues that there is agreement on, why can that not be rushed through, why are we likely to see that inaction before november to protect against what you're describing the? i against what you're describing the? . . against what you're describing the? ., ., the? i was encouraged that the rules committee _
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the? i was encouraged that the rules committee which - the? i was encouraged that the rules committee which the - rules committee which the senator shears has a schedule for a mark of this coming week. we have struggled frankly to enact a reasonable, responsible, meaningful protections in privacy generally in data regulation, more broadly and in artificial intelligence. senators are leading this bill and doing a good job and if there's is one piece of legislation i'd like to see past before our elections, it would be this one. y ., ~ one. do you think it might then? we _ one. do you think it might then? we are _ one. do you think it might then? we are having - one. do you think it might - then? we are having difficulty caettin then? we are having difficulty getting along _ then? we are having difficulty getting along in _ then? we are having difficulty getting along in congress - then? we are having difficulty getting along in congress are| getting along in congress are moving things through the centre and the house butjust a very breath of aetiological spread between the senator who is on the far right who like me as a democrat you some indication about how much support there might be for this. i had a hearing last week on another bipartisan artificial intelligence related bill that seeks to create a private right of action, legal
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protection of anyone, whether they're a politician or an artist and actor orjust an average citizen who is the victim of a deepfake or an ai avatar being used to make them say or do things they've never approved of don't agree with. as we heard earlier, deepfakes are being used when it comes to conflicts as well in propaganda and so i want to ask you about another issue, news developing tonight, state department report on israel's use of american supplied weapons but this report says it's this report says its reasonable to assess that they have been using kaiser in breach of international communitarian law by israel, report to stop short of recommending that the us should withhold weapons as a result but how does the us move forward with israel now if weapons are being used most likely in this way? $5 weapons are being used most likely in this way?— likely in this way? as you know, president - likely in this way? as you know, president biden i likely in this way? as you. know, president biden has likely in this way? as you - know, president biden has made clear, first privately and more recently publicly, that he does not support a full—scale
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invasion of rafah to go after hamas until civilians are allowed to move out of the way, that's something that he and prime minister netanyahu have discussed many times. and i think the concerns raised by our president and by many in congress about balancing israel's right, evidence obligation to protect citizens from hamas by continuing to go after hamas in rafah needs to be balanced with allegations under international human terry law to protect civilians and allow them to move out of the way and i think that's just one application of the broader insights you were describing as having come out of this report that was released apparently late today. that was released apparently late today-— late today. briefly, is it concerning _ late today. briefly, is it concerning to - late today. briefly, is it concerning to you - late today. briefly, is it concerning to you that l late today. briefly, is it i concerning to you that us weapons would be used potentially in breach of international military and law, the second is you personally? it should concern any of us if weapons that we provide, to many other countries are used in a way that violates our
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values and principles but i think the important thing here is that our close and vital ally will be allowed to defend itself, we came to our to ——to their aid when they were attacked by 300 iranians drones and missiles that they would be armed unable to attack hamas and prevent them from carrying out any more attacks but that they do so in a way that meets they do so in a way that meets the test of international human terror in law. we the test of international human terror in law.— terror in law. we will leave it there, senator _ terror in law. we will leave it there, senator chris - terror in law. we will leave it there, senator chris coons, . there, senator chris coons, thank you so much forjoining us. outside of federal legislation, many us states are looking for another way to tackle the prevalence of ai. nearly all of the state legislatures currently in session are considering ai—related bills, and nearly half of those bills address deepfakes. that's according to data shared with axios. as of february 7, there were 407 total ai—related bills. across more than 40 us states — that's up from just 67 bills last year. legislators in 33 states have put forward specific election—related ai bills.
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this includes legislation co—sponsored by michigan state representative matthew bierlein, whojoins us now. meals would establish restricts on the use of our political campaigns, thank you for joining us. we heard from senator chris coons about the national picture, yours is one of several others to move state—level law and watch the issues of bigger concern to you as elections loom ever closer? thank you for having me. the biggest concern is how easy it is. we don't have to be a tech genius any more to access to technology, make the adjustments to a speech or images and then put it on there as a legitimate situation with the candidate. and so, which are stored, the best thing we can do is pass state legislation and have as much control over our process as we control over oui’ process as we can. control over our process as we can. i5 control over our process as we can. , ., .,
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control over our process as we can. , ., ., , ., control over our process as we can. is there a great use of ai generated _ can. is there a great use of ai generated content _ can. is there a great use of ai generated content there? - can. is there a great use of ai generated content there? is . generated content there? is something that voters are reporting to as a matter of concern to them?- reporting to as a matter of concern to them? you know, we haven't heard _ concern to them? you know, we haven't heard yet, _ concern to them? you know, we haven't heard yet, i _ concern to them? you know, we haven't heard yet, i haven't - haven't heard yet, i haven't heard yet of any of those things, which is no it'sjust so simple that deepfake technology is just readily available. and what with i would be the best way to do that from our election standpoint is we're not telling people you cannot use that, we're not telling you that you cannot make things up about your opponent, what we are telling you is that if you will use it in camp and related material that you have to put a disclaimer on it saying that it was ai generated and if it doesn't have that, it won't be valid campaign material. have ou valid campaign material. have you given _ valid campaign material. have you given consideration - valid campaign material. have you given consideration to - you given consideration to telling people that they can't make stuff up about the opponent as you put it there? look, i think that some political license at every election and every campaign, the problem that we have with al material is that it's so
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ai material is that it's so advanced that it is not reasonable for a person to think that that is made up. in the past, what is and that a piece of mail, showing your opponent holding bags of money, everybody knows that that was photoshopped image that didn't happen. does not we are talking about anymore, the phone call that was mentioned earlier, when we had a committee meeting we discussed this legislation, we discussed this legislation, we played a video, not a video, i'm sorry, played a speech of president biden telling the committee that they needed pass this legislation because also crucial in one of my co—sponsors made that speech up and just like the name to to read it, took them about four minutes. those are the kind of thing that we are dealing with known way we think it matters. that is speed indeed. do you think you will be able to come into effect before election day? we heard senator chris
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coons talking about things are a national level, what they like there?— like there? actually, this legislation _ like there? actually, this legislation is _ like there? actually, this legislation is passed - like there? actually, this i legislation is passed during the last year, pasin 2024, 2023 and the governor didn't sign it before christmas, it took a fact about 90 days later in february and it is now the law in michigan when it comes to elections. in michigan when it comes to elections-— elections. other campaigns their supporters, _ elections. other campaigns their supporters, public - their supporters, public committees are theirsupporters, public committees are being the law? so far, we haven't had any complaints, the way that people could address it as violin campaign, finance violation, basically with our secretary of state or they can seek an injunction through the attorney general �*s office or the local court if the local campaign. we have not yet had any reports of that and we're just started with campaigns with our first primary election in august. we've been talking though about
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all the negative impacts of ai and election cycles, is there a place for the positive use of it, do you think?— place for the positive use of it, do you think? you know, with any _ it, do you think? you know, with any new _ it, do you think? you know, with any new technology, i it, do you think? you know, | with any new technology, we always have to whether depositors and the negatives and i'm sure there are some good things out there, we use ai when we will try complex maths problems and things like that, we use it when we are designing new cars and houses to help us fill in the gaps and may be something that human operator dismissed but when it comes to campaign material, you should run on your own merits as my opinion. should run on your own merits as my opinion-— should run on your own merits as my opinion. ok, that's good advice, as my opinion. ok, that's good advice. we _ as my opinion. ok, that's good advice, we will _ as my opinion. ok, that's good advice, we will leave _ as my opinion. ok, that's good advice, we will leave it - as my opinion. ok, that's good advice, we will leave it there, . advice, we will leave it there, matthew bierlein, thank you for joining us. matthew bierlein, thank you for “oininr us. . ~ matthew bierlein, thank you for “oininr us. ., ,, matthew bierlein, thank you for “oininr us. . ~' ., joining us. thank you for havin: joining us. thank you for having me- _ it's a different story across the pond as the european union successfully passed legislation combatting deceptive ai. in march, eu lawmakers approved the world's first comprehensive framework for constraining the risks of artificial
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intelligence. the ai act works by classifying products according to risk and adjusting scrutiny accordingly. the law's creators said it would make the tech more "human—centric." the law doesn't come into effect until 2025. however, its presence is clearly needed in the bloc. with me is valerie wirtschafter, brookings fellow on foreign policy, artificial intelligence and emerging technology initiative. thank you forjoining us. we heard from microsoft that they hadn't seen massive amounts of deceptive ai being used to run election, senator chris coons said he had classified information that there is some use of it and this country, how serious of a problem do you think it is? i serious of a problem do you think it is?— serious of a problem do you think it is? i think that there is a broader _ think it is? i think that there is a broader problem - think it is? i think that there is a broader problem in - think it is? i think that there is a broader problem in the l is a broader problem in the information space widely, in the sense that we've had misinformation, we've had this information for centuries and now we have a digital space where information is, to use
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the words of the year, turbocharge and people can get a variety of information from a lot of different places, has been a fracturing of the online space, contact moderation so a big backdrop in a big challenge of the information space and adding another layer to that which is the ai generated, potential of content so i think that he is correct in a sense that he is correct in a sense that of the content that we are seeing, we can think about israel and gaza and the initial conflict of the information space when supplied was low and demand was high, much of that was recycled images, sort of decontextualised clips, things like that. it wasn't really ai generated content and they could have been. within this sort of framework that we are operating should have been in some respect and i think ai generated content is a layer added on to this that amplifies added on to this that amplifies a lot of what we see, a new
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tool and then they are unique challenges to the ai moment as well especially for the information space but i would say broadly, part of a bigger challenge of information integrity. if challenge of information integrity-— challenge of information interri . ., ., , integrity. if foreign actors want to try _ integrity. if foreign actors want to try and _ integrity. if foreign actors | want to try and destabilise democracies and interfering elections, that i was been able to do that, this just makes it much easier? to do that, this 'ust makes it much easier?_ to do that, this 'ust makes it much easier? thinking about spearfishing _ much easier? thinking about spearfishing attempts, - much easier? thinking about spearfishing attempts, there was conkey language in the spearfishing attack and the social engineering seemed a little bit awkward in terms of trying to get you to download that word files from your maybe colleague or something like that. now, it's going to be potentially tailored to you because they can have whole information about your people like you to be a little bit more targeted, they are open model actually that are being sold on the dark web that right now so lowering the threshold even to writing some of this harmful cyber securities
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challenges and i think that's one element that is certainly going to be amplifying the number of actors potentially in the space especially as we think about cyber security is typically the purview of nationstates and now they can be many more actors in play. that's one element as a social engineering side and then of course, the other element is a deepfake side which i think senator chris coons talked about is especially audio, something really hard about processing audio and thatjoe biden robocop was discovered immediately but there are many elections, many — the national elections, many — the national elections can hinge on local level contest or local level concern. small numbers of vote. what can users, consumers, voters actually do then? it seems like a lot of it is the individual to see out for themselves, whatever the tech companies maybe?— themselves, whatever the tech companies maybe? with anything in the space. _ companies maybe? with anything in the space, as _ companies maybe? with anything in the space, as a _
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companies maybe? with anything in the space, as a challenge - companies maybe? with anything in the space, as a challenge of. in the space, as a challenge of reactivity so right now, and i thinkjimmy mentioned this as well, is that the tech is very good but it's still a letter big lychee, it has some bugs. the very high quality content, the stuff that's coming out of opening —— open ai and other companies, they are adding in layers of protection and so whether harm is going to happen, it might be there but they are working hard to put in safeguard but are there tools that may be a less sophisticated it will still have candidate donald trump with the seven fingers or something odd going on in the background so being aware of some of these things is really important still but i do think it definitely shifts the onus on to the viewers to be able to bar chart some of those things. those companies are each day trying to do things to help their users along, aren't they? thank you so much forjoining us. that is excellent. that's
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all we have to you at the moment on this bbc news special. thank you for watching. hello there. settled and warm again on friday, with plenty of late spring sunshine around and temperatures rising across the four nations into the low 20s in celsius. the warmth is set to last as we head through the weekend. temperatures will remain above the seasonal average, warmest towards the east. and it's still dry for the vast majority of us on saturday, a scattering of showers, with the real breakdown happening on sunday — heavy, thundery showers out towards the western half of the uk. further east, should stay largely dry. and here is the area of high pressure that's keeping these dry, settled conditions for the time being. it will eventually push further eastwards into scandinavia, but we've got a bit of an easterly breeze,
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and that's been dragging some mist and low cloud in from the north sea. but that will lift and clear across the southeast of england and east anglia through saturday morning. still maybe a hang—back of cloud towards parts of the yorkshire lincolnshire coast, though. lots of sunshine to start the day and we'll keep the sunny skies for most through the afternoon. but a scattering of showers across scotland pushing northwards, perhaps some heavy and thundery, but they'll be fairly isolated. it's still very warm — 24 degrees celsius in glasgow. chance of a shower, too, across northern areas of northern ireland and north wales. a little cooler towards these north sea—facing coasts, with some of the cloud possibly lapping onshore again at times. 25 or 26 degrees celsius in london and south east england. so the high pressure starts to push further eastwards as we head through sunday. that allows for these low pressure systems to roll in from the west. and this weather front will bring a thickening cloud across the southwest of england, western wales on sunday morning. some showers across the western isles and western scotland, pushing into northern ireland, and the chance of some thunderstorms developing
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all across the western half of the uk. but it should stay drier further east. again, there will be a lot of sunshine here, and once again, we could see temperatures in the low to the mid—20s in celsius. but cooler out towards the west, of course, underneath the cloud and with the eventual rain. and here comes that low pressure system swinging in as we head through monday. it's going to give us quite widespread rain on monday, especially through the afternoon, so expect it to turn a lot more showery as we head through it next week. and there'll be a drop in temperature, too, so unsettled and cooler as we head through next week. bye—bye for now.
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