technologies like ai will do for the 2ist century what the steam engine and electricity did for the 19th. the government, rishi sunak keeps saying everything's fine, but everybody knows it isn't. and that's why we're laser—focused on living standards. is this the beginning _ of an argument from you that says, "be careful what you wish for, better the devil you know"? . in a word, yes, chris. laughter. joining me tonight on the panel are guto harri, former downing street director of communications and political analyst, mary—anne marsh first, the latest headlines. donald trump's former lawyer is testifying at a new york court in the ex—president�*s hush money trial. michael cohen alleges trump told him

to be prepared for "a lot of women" who could come forward when he entered the presidential race. the uk government says it will appeal against a court ruling that asylum—seekers in northern ireland should not be sent to rwanda. the high court in belfast found parts of the policy breached human rights laws. an inquiry into why some women in the uk have traumatic experiences in childbirth has called for a huge overhaul of maternity and postnatal care. the birth trauma inquiry said poor maternity care was all—too—frequently tolerated as normal and women treated as an inconvenience. one of europe's most notorious people—smugglers has been arrested following a bbc investigation. barzan majeed, also known as scorpion, was arrested in iraqi kurdistan on sunday morning. "the next five years will be some of the most dangerous and, at the same time, the most transformational our country has ever known." that was the claim made this morning

by the british prime minister, rishi sunak. in a speech to the policy exchange here in london, the prime minister set out a list of dangers britain is already facing, the threats from russia and china, mass migration and the extremists that exploit it, gender activists, cancel culture, the scottish nationalists trying to tear the uk apart. we've proudly taken the generational decision to increase defence spending to a new baseline of 2.5% of gdp by 2030, yet labour have refused to match our pledge. keir starmer supported a former labour leader who wanted to abolish the army and withdraw from nato. and labour's current deputy leader, shadow foreign secretary and many others voted against our nuclear deterrent, the ultimate guarantor of our security. rishi sunak has spent much of his time in number 10 distancing himself from the record of his predecessors, but in this speech, the prime minister owned

and embraced the 14 years of tory government. labour, he said, was trying to tarnish the success of those years in office by reducing it to the chaotic 49—day period of liz truss�*s premiership. he accused the shadow front bench of trying to "depress their way to victory". is this the beginning of an argument from you that says, "be careful what you wish for, better the devil you know"? in a word, yes, chris. laughter. guto harri, former downing street director of communications, and political analyst mary—anne marsh. it isa it is a tried and tested tactic that every incumbent party uses to suggest you can't trust the other side, betterthe suggest you can't trust the other side, better the devil you know, does it work? it side, better the devil you know, does it work?— side, better the devil you know, does it work? it can do, i think the bi thin does it work? it can do, i think the big thing in — does it work? it can do, i think the big thing in elections _ does it work? it can do, i think the big thing in elections is _ does it work? it can do, i think the big thing in elections is whether i big thing in elections is whether you offer hope or fear and what is interesting today rishi sunak has tried to offer both, to try to shift our gaze from what has gone on in

recent years, particularly the chaos of very recent years and look ahead to the rest of the decade because thatis to the rest of the decade because that is why we will be voting in the next general election, not a referendum what has gone, it is a choice of who we want to leaders, what lies ahead and what lies ahead are extremely anxious times in terms of the world itself with potential for war, some people even talking about a third world war. but also fantastic transformational opportunities in artificial intelligence and a whole load of other technologies and what he is saying essentially is, do you want a 62—year—old former human rights lawyer who leads a party stuck in the past to lead you to the end of that decade, or do you want this hard—working, clean living a0 something guy with an mba from a californian university, a degree from oxford? he is clearly offering a better choice and we have had for

a better choice and we have had for a long time. a better choice and we have had for a long time-— a long time. that former human riahts a long time. that former human rights lawyer— a long time. that former human rights lawyer within _ a long time. that former human rights lawyer within the - a long time. that former human rights lawyer within the west. rights lawyer within the west midlands today surrounding himself with his newly elected mayors and returning to his central critique that more of the same will result in stagnating wages. his party said they will beat laser focus on living standards in every part of the country. isn't that rather than fear the sort of hope that people want to vote for? ~ . ., , . , vote for? where are those wages auoin to vote for? where are those wages going to come — vote for? where are those wages going to come from? _ vote for? where are those wages going to come from? he's -- - vote for? where are those wages l going to come from? he's -- what vote for? where are those wages - going to come from? he's -- what is going to come from? he's —— what is he going to pay them? going to come from? he's -- what is he going to pay them?— he going to pay them? where is sendin: he going to pay them? where is spending for _ he going to pay them? where is spending for defence _ he going to pay them? where is spending for defence going - he going to pay them? where is spending for defence going to l he going to pay them? where is - spending for defence going to come from if the economy doesn't grow? the economy has to grow because we embraced the opportunities that lie with the new technologies that are now available in nanotechnology, transformational things in health, the whole range of things opening with artificial intelligence and the a0 something prime minister get that well. i'm told he can even have a very nervy conversation about algorithms and how you literally code with people who have met him on that. and i think that is a crucial

thing, he was best placed to grow the economy and who is best place to just go in there and sort of say, what are we going to spend this diminishing cake on customer care is a management of decline with labour and at least now, at last perhaps, rishi sunak is starting to look and sound like the next generation, a little bit hungrier, more energetic. it has been admittedly a long time coming but it is better to have a proper picture and a proper choice of the next election and now increasingly i think we will have one. ,, . , increasingly i think we will have one. ,, ., ., one. setting aside the politics of this, is he _ one. setting aside the politics of this, is he right _ one. setting aside the politics of this, is he right about _ one. setting aside the politics of this, is he right about the - one. setting aside the politics of i this, is he right about the dangers we face in these next five years, and is he right that everything is about to change dramatically? weill. about to change dramatically? well, almost every — about to change dramatically? well, almost every issue _ about to change dramatically? well, almost every issue that _ about to change dramatically? well, almost every issue that rishi - about to change dramatically? well, almost every issue that rishi sunak reference _ almost every issue that rishi sunak reference in his speech could have been _ reference in his speech could have been in _ reference in his speech could have been in a — reference in his speech could have been in a speech byjoe biden. that been in a speech by joe biden. that was auoin been in a speech by joe biden. that was going to _ been in a speech by joe biden. that was going to be _ been in a speech byjoe biden. trust was going to be my next question, actually? was going to be my next question, actuall ? ., . , , . actually? the tenor was very much the same- — actually? the tenor was very much the same- you _ actually? the tenor was very much the same. you can _ actually? the tenor was very much the same. you can hear _ actually? the tenor was very much the same. you can hearjoe - actually? the tenor was very much the same. you can hearjoe bidenl the same. you can hearjoe biden saying _ the same. you can hearjoe biden saying that — the same. you can hearjoe biden saying that very same taste, but for one or— saying that very same taste, but for one or two — saying that very same taste, but for

one or two i— saying that very same taste, but for one or two. i think that speaks volumes— one or two. i think that speaks volumes to what is going on around the world _ volumes to what is going on around the world and the position of russia and china _ the world and the position of russia and china going after democracies and china going after democracies and al _ and china going after democracies and alas — and china going after democracies and alas a — and china going after democracies and alas a weapon of choice. but here _ and alas a weapon of choice. but here in_ and alas a weapon of choice. but here in the — and alas a weapon of choice. but here in the united states it is a rematch — here in the united states it is a rematch between biden and trump and it will be _ rematch between biden and trump and it will be end up being not a referendum onjoe biden but a choice between _ referendum onjoe biden but a choice between the two and that is a danger for rishi _ between the two and that is a danger for rishi sunak. his record to date has not _ for rishi sunak. his record to date has not been grey, he lags behind united _ has not been grey, he lags behind united stating economic recovery from _ united stating economic recovery from covid, he cannot divorce himself— from covid, he cannot divorce himself from all the previous prime ministers _ himself from all the previous prime ministers from the same party that led to— ministers from the same party that led to this — ministers from the same party that led to this very day and that is before — led to this very day and that is before we _ led to this very day and that is before we even start to discuss the effect _ before we even start to discuss the effect that — before we even start to discuss the effect that brexit has had on the economy— effect that brexit has had on the economy there. sol effect that brexit has had on the economy there. so i think it is really— economy there. so i think it is really challenging for him. it will be a great — really challenging for him. it will be a great race and i have to do here _ be a great race and i have to do here and — be a great race and i have to do here and say, wow, a 62—year—old and someone _ here and say, wow, a 62—year—old and someone in _ here and say, wow, a 62—year—old and someone in their 405, they are spring — someone in their 405, they are spring chickens! we are dealing with someone _ spring chickens! we are dealing with someone in — spring chickens! we are dealing with someone in the late 805 and 5pring chickens! we are dealing with someone in the late 805 and 705 in the same _ someone in the late 805 and 705 in the same debate. the someone in the late 80s and 70s in the same debate.— someone in the late 80s and 70s in the same debate. the choice before the same debate. the choice before the american _ the same debate. the choice before the american electorate _ the same debate. the choice before the american electorate is - the same debate. the choice before the american electorate is pretty i the american electorate is pretty stark, whereas some might say, looking at the uk race, that

actually their tanks are packed on similar lines, there isn't a lot to differentiate between a labour party thatis differentiate between a labour party that is much more to the centre these days and a prime minister who is much more to the centre. in america, it is a vastly different choice. it america, it is a vastly different choice. , , ., america, it is a vastly different choice. , , . , , choice. it is, but that is why you have campaigns _ choice. it is, but that is why you have campaigns and _ choice. it is, but that is why you have campaigns and campaignsl choice. it is, but that is why you i have campaigns and campaigns are choice. it is, but that is why you - have campaigns and campaigns are the things— have campaigns and campaigns are the things that _ have campaigns and campaigns are the things that decide elections ultimately, working with the issues and the _ ultimately, working with the issues and the candidate you have. so it will be _ and the candidate you have. so it will be fascinating to see what happens — will be fascinating to see what happens in the election there. in many— happens in the election there. in many ways— happens in the election there. in many ways you as out of the canary in the _ many ways you as out of the canary in the coal— many ways you as out of the canary in the coal mine for our elections many— in the coal mine for our elections many times— in the coal mine for our elections many times a you see changes in the elections _ many times a you see changes in the elections around the world as a election5 around the world as a result— election5 around the world as a result but— elections around the world as a result but i think clearly the re5ult but i think clearly the contrast— result but i think clearly the contrast couldn't be more 5tark and contra5t couldn't be more 5tark and the camps — contra5t couldn't be more 5tark and the camps are packed in very different— the camps are packed in very different places but ultimately even in this— different places but ultimately even in this race, which could be very close. _ in this race, which could be very close. the — in this race, which could be very close, the quality of the candidate and the _ close, the quality of the candidate and the campaign you conduct will determine — and the campaign you conduct will determine the winner and the same will be _ determine the winner and the same will be true — determine the winner and the same will be true there. gne determine the winner and the same will be true there.— will be true there. one side of the seech will be true there. one side of the speech very _ will be true there. one side of the speech very much _ will be true there. one side of the speech very much addressed i will be true there. one side of the speech very much addressed the i will be true there. one side of the i speech very much addressed the risk, the other the opportunities. the

paradox of our age, said the prime minister, is for all the profound dangers we face we also hold in our hands and opportunity for human progress. artificial intelligence, he said, will do for the 21st century what the steam engine and the electricity did for the 19th. mr; the electricity did for the 19th. my oint the electricity did for the 19th. iji point is the electricity did for the 19th. m: point is this, our the electricity did for the 19th. m; point is this, our country 5tand5 the electricity did for the 19th. m; point is this, our country stands at a crossroads. 0ver point is this, our country stands at a crossroads. over the next few years from our democracy to our society to our economy, to the hardest questions of war and peace, almost every aspect of our lives is going to change. how we act in the face of these changes, not only to keep people safe and secure were realise the opportunities will determine whether or not britain will succeed in the years to come. or not britain will succeed in the years to come-— or not britain will succeed in the years to come. let's explore that a bit further- — years to come. let's explore that a bit further. co-host _ years to come. let's explore that a bit further. co-host on _ years to come. let's explore that a bit further. co-host on al - years to come. let's explore that a | bit further. co-host on al decoded. bit further. co—host on al decoded. lovely to see you. and we begin with a central premise

fears could be the central transformation, in the context of the big truck announcement today from chat db t two. that is a sort of thing that rishi sunak is talking about. it of thing that rishi sunak is talking about. , , .. , of thing that rishi sunak is talking about. , , , y., , about. it is weird because you sing we will have _ about. it is weird because you sing we will have more _ about. it is weird because you sing we will have more transformation l about. it is weird because you sing l we will have more transformation in the next five years and we have had in the past 30. 30 years ago as i99a, that is in the past 30. 30 years ago as 199a, that is when we had the internet, we had social media and pcs, the smartphone revolution etc. so is banking a lot on the next five years which, yes, open ai and chat gdp, they come out with a new announcement, the have a new tool that can reason across audio and video and text in real time and interpret human emotion, allegedly, we have to critique that. it is exciting but we are talking about chat bots, we are talking about al

agents that are going to be transforming customer call centres. if not as important as a internet? i don't know yet. none of us know yet so i think it's really betting the farm on al, turning around the uk economy, which we have to acknowledge is going to be the worst performing of the g7 in the next year. performing of the g7 in the next ear. . ,., ., , ., performing of the g7 in the next ear. . ., i. year. on that point, would you say if ou year. on that point, would you say if you were — year. on that point, would you say if you were to _ year. on that point, would you say if you were to look _ year. on that point, would you say if you were to look at _ year. on that point, would you say if you were to look at the - year. on that point, would you say if you were to look at the record i year. on that point, would you sayj if you were to look at the record of this current government in terms of the rules and embracing where this new technology has come from and is going, have they done a good job? how would you score them? i going, have they done a good “ob? how would you score them? i would live them how would you score them? i would give them credit _ how would you score them? i would give them credit for _ how would you score them? i would give them credit for hosting - how would you score them? i would give them credit for hosting ai i give them credit for hosting ai safety summit last year and kicking off their discussion on global regulation, albeit well behind the european union which of course is passing the ai act, affecting a market of almost five 2a0 million people. the eu had at regulation, the uk is gone and convenient. we don't really have the infrastructure

of the finance to invest in companies and get them started the weight that you see in the united states or europe will go towards regulation, the united states is big on the big companies leading in al, particularly large language models, so i score him a b—, c+. there is a lot more uk needs to do in dreaming and the infrastructure is not fit. if he is talking about an unprecedented risk, is probably right in the sense our entire lives are now on digital and therefore there is more risk in our lives than ever before but has he done enough to say prove our institutions? ida. to say prove our institutions? no, he has said _ to say prove our in5titution5? iifr, he has said repeatedly he didn't want to regulate ai because he doesn't want to stifle innovation. 0ur institutions are not caught up on al, they'rejust 0ur institutions are not caught up on al, they're just getting started and the safety side has created the ai safety institute which is wonderful but it is early days, it has only been seven months, so you

campaign in prose and govern in poetry and govern in prose, he is in his poetry moment right now, ahead of the election, we expect that. but we are so far from where we need to be in being fit for purpose in terms of ai, infrastructure, funding, regulation, talent development, all of it. it is betting a lot to say that the whole of the uk economy is going to be turned around by ai. isn't that precisely the point, a lot of people have been critical of the fact the government hasn't produced an industrial strategy? stephanie has no skin in this game but she says it is her b—. why can the labour party not be trusted with that? i the labour party not be trusted with that? 4' ., the labour party not be trusted with that? ~ ., _, ., , the labour party not be trusted with that? ~ ., ., , .,, that? i think the labour party has done a good _ that? i think the labour party has done a good job _ that? i think the labour party has done a good job of— that? i think the labour party has done a good job of making i that? i think the labour party has i done a good job of making themselves done a good job of making them5elve5 far more _ done a good job of making them5elve5 far more trustworthy on the economy than they— far more trustworthy on the economy than they have been for a long time. they were _ than they have been for a long time. they were starting from a low base but nobody think5 they were starting from a low base but nobody thinks they are going to actually— but nobody thinks they are going to actually try to actively tra5h but nobody thinks they are going to actually try to actively trash the

economy— actually try to actively trash the economy we5 streeting get the potential of ai not only to the opportunities for economic growth but make — opportunities for economic growth but make cope when you go a lot further— but make cope when you go a lot further with public services and improve — further with public services and improve public services, but in the end we _ improve public services, but in the end we need to look at transformation over the course of the rest _ transformation over the course of the rest of — transformation over the course of the rest of the decade and i think for that, — the rest of the decade and i think forthat, now, we the rest of the decade and i think for that, now, we have got the money of the _ for that, now, we have got the money of the state _ for that, now, we have got the money of the state but we are better placed — of the state but we are better placed at _ of the state but we are better placed at a financial centre here in london _ placed at a financial centre here in london than anywhere on the continent _ london than anywhere on the continent of europe and in terms of regulation — continent of europe and in terms of regulation we have a lighter touch than the _ regulation we have a lighter touch than the continent of europe. indeed. — than the continent of europe. indeed, there is a very vibrant world — indeed, there is a very vibrant world out— indeed, there is a very vibrant world out there already. ai is not the only— world out there already. ai is not the only bullet in the cartridge but it is the _ the only bullet in the cartridge but it is the one that will take the economy, _ it is the one that will take the economy, that is already chugging along, _ economy, that is already chugging along, to — economy, that is already chugging along, to another level and i think that is— along, to another level and i think that is what he is getting out and trying _ that is what he is getting out and trying to— that is what he is getting out and trying to say to people, and the joy tonight— trying to say to people, and the joy tonight is— trying to say to people, and the joy tonight is we are a class talking about— tonight is we are a class talking about not— tonight is we are a class talking about not about that me55ed tonight is we are a class talking about not about that messed up rebellion — about not about that messed up rebellion by some marginal slightly mad figures on the fringes of the conservative party, but we are talking — conservative party, but we are talking about their big decisions

that have to be taken over the next decade _ that have to be taken over the next decade and — that have to be taken over the next decade and that is her conversation that should be welcome too well, wherever — that should be welcome too well, wherever you are on the political spectrum — wherever you are on the political spectrum |_ wherever you are on the political sectrum. ~ wherever you are on the political sectrum. ,, , .,, . ., spectrum. i think people are going to be tweeting- — spectrum. i think people are going to be tweeting. you've _ spectrum. i think people are going to be tweeting. you've just - spectrum. i think people are going to be tweeting. you've just set i spectrum. i think people are going to be tweeting. you've just set me “p to be tweeting. you've just set me up there, people will be tweeting, what about the defection wednesday? we are always talking about the chaos. he always seems to be in a situation where you can get on the front foot. but let me toss this over to marianne. in terms of ai, joe biden is a good story to tell in terms of the chips are, the money you put behind it and yet he doesn't seem to get the credit for that. band seem to get the credit for that. and that has been _ seem to get the credit for that. and that has been a _ seem to get the credit for that. situc that has been a challenge on seem to get the credit for that. fific that has been a challenge on his entire record at this point. do i think ai is going to change the world? the good news says it could change the world, the bad news you could destroy it and know one thing will change the economy at all and you have seen that with biden, it is a incremental building blocks that he has put together, obviously the microsoft factory, they opened in

wisconsin last week, ai —based. what has been interesting is normally the eu and the uk leader in social media regulations. you haven't seen that and in the united states, despite many efforts for bipartisan legislation on al to pass, they are batik seeded in passing anything so that it batik seeded in passing anything so thatitis batik seeded in passing anything so that it is a scary proposition when something as powerful as ai is basically unregulated and it is one thing we went through the wild west at the beginning of the inter—web, but ai is a different monster. before you go, in terms of regulation, and support for al, someone might listen to today and say, what we need is a bipartisan approach, and agreed bipartisan approach, and agreed bipartisan approach because there is in the bandwidth within government to do this alone and also it is not something that you can determine politically, everyone needs to be pulling on the same direction because the advances of so fast and they are coming at us so quickly. would that be fair? do you think...

would that be fair? do you think... would it be better if there was a holistic approach across parliament to this? i holistic approach across parliament to this? ~' ., . to this? i think we would want something _ to this? i think we would want something that _ to this? i think we would want something that is _ to this? i think we would want something that is not - to this? i think we would want something that is not even i to this? i think we would want i something that is not even going to be good _ something that is not even going to be good enough. _ something that is not even going to be good enough. it— something that is not even going to be good enough, it will— something that is not even going to be good enough, it will have - something that is not even going to be good enough, it will have to i something that is not even going to be good enough, it will have to be i be good enough, it will have to be international, _ be good enough, it will have to be international, like _ be good enough, it will have to be international, like the _ be good enough, it will have to be international, like the climate i international, like the climate crisis — international, like the climate crisis or— international, like the climate crisis or even— international, like the climate crisis or even the _ international, like the climatel crisis or even the international atomic— crisis or even the international atomic energy _ crisis or even the international atomic energy agency- crisis or even the international atomic energy agency for- crisis or even the international- atomic energy agency for nuclear, because _ atomic energy agency for nuclear, because of— atomic energy agency for nuclear, because of the _ atomic energy agency for nuclear, because of the uk, _ atomic energy agency for nuclear, because of the uk, it _ atomic energy agency for nuclear, because of the uk, it doesn't i atomic energy agency for nuclear, l because of the uk, it doesn't matter what we _ because of the uk, it doesn't matter what we do. — because of the uk, it doesn't matter what we do. we _ because of the uk, it doesn't matter what we do, we are _ because of the uk, it doesn't matter what we do, we are a _ because of the uk, it doesn't matter what we do, we are a tiny— because of the uk, it doesn't matter what we do, we are a tiny country. because of the uk, it doesn't matter what we do, we are a tiny country in| what we do, we are a tiny country in the north— what we do, we are a tiny country in the north atlantic. _ what we do, we are a tiny country in the north atlantic. this _ what we do, we are a tiny country in the north atlantic. this is _ what we do, we are a tiny country in the north atlantic. this is a - 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where the big fight is taking place and we are also not in the eu, i where the big fight is taking place i and we are also not in the eu, which is where _ and we are also not in the eu, which is where they— and we are also not in the eu, which is where they are _ and we are also not in the eu, which is where they are passing _ and we are also not in the eu, which is where they are passing the - and we are also not in the eu, which is where they are passing the big i is where they are passing the big regulation — is where they are passing the big regulation that— is where they are passing the big regulation that is _ is where they are passing the big regulation that is going - is where they are passing the big regulation that is going to - is where they are passing the big regulation that is going to be i regulation that is going to be making — regulation that is going to be making the _ regulation that is going to be making the bit— regulation that is going to be making the bit of— regulation that is going to be making the bit of difference. regulation that is going to be i making the bit of difference how regulation that is going to be - making the bit of difference how we will have _ making the bit of difference how we will have to — making the bit of difference how we will have to be _ making the bit of difference how we will have to be working _ making the bit of difference how we will have to be working with - will have to be working with partners _ will have to be working with partners. this _ will have to be working with partners. this is _ will have to be working with partners. this is a - will have to be working with partners. this is a global. will have to be working with - partners. this is a global problem, it will_ partners. this is a global problem, it will require — partners. this is a global problem, it will require a _ partners. this is a global problem, it will require a global— partners. this is a global problem, it will require a global approach. i it will require a global approach. we will— it will require a global approach. we will see _ it will require a global approach. we will see you _ it will require a global approach. we will see you on _ it will require a global approach. we will see you on al _ it will require a global approach. we will see you on al decoded . we will see you on al decoded shortly. thank you, we will talk about the risks the uk in the united states is facing on the other side of the break. across the world and here in the uk, this is bbc news.

let's take a look at some of the other stories in the headlines. an inquiry looking the traumatic childbirth experiences some women face, has called for a major overhaul of maternity and post—natal care in england. the report, led by a group of mps, stated that �*all too often poor care was tolerated as normal�*. it recommends more recruitment and training to ensure a safe level of staffing. the government has watered down proposals to crackdown on so—called �*nuisance' rough sleeping after opposition from backbench mps. the criminaljustice bill will now no longer give police foreces in england and wales the power to move people on because of bad �*smells'. king charles has officially handed over the role of colonel—in—chief of the army air corps to his eldest son, william, prince of wales — in a joint, official engagement at a hampshire military base. charles was the inaugural holder of the title 32 years ago.

in ukraine thousands of people have today been evacuated from the northeastern region of kharkiv. the russians are "advancing from multiple positions" as they seek to exploit the delays in the supply of western weapons. today at this speech in london rishi sunak sidestepped the question as to whether his government was now in favour of a negotiated ceasefire. the question prompted by this article in the sunday times, in which an unnamed source confirms, that it was in fact lord cameron, who persuaded donald trump to back funding for ukraine, during that recent visit to mar—e—lago. we did say at the time, it was some coincidence that trump suddenly changed position. and the suggestion is that lord cameron told him that by supporting ukraine and therefore broadly maintaining defensive lines where they are, that would make it easier for mr trump to secure a peace deal when he is elected. we will come to what rishi sunak was

asked today and the position david cameron might have taken in a meeting, but does it stand to reason to you that maybe this meeting but at the root of it? because very shortly after things were and locked the speaker but the bill on the floor, we wouldn't have done that without donald trump two say so. correct, that is very critical of cameron's visit to trump at manor largo because ultimately donald trump tried to undo our democracy on january the 6th so elevating him to a world leader, meeting with other leaders from foreign countries i found wrong. that said, clearly had the effect that lord cameron wanted, which was to get trump to say, ok, republicans, mikejohnson the republicans, mike johnson the speaker of republicans, mikejohnson the speaker of the house, bring the boat to the floor. majority of democrats who carried the bill across the finish to get aid to ukraine, some republicans increasingly more republicans increasingly more republicans are opposing it because more of them seem to be using vladimir putin's talking points on

the floor of the house. so there is no doubt if donald trump returns to the white house he is going to hand ukraine over to the white house he is going to hand ukraine overto vladimir the white house he is going to hand ukraine over to vladimir putin. that is it, there is no peace deal, none of that i may this was a short play by cameron to just get their weapons into the hands of ukraine because frankly ukraine can beat russia and is doing much better than i think people think. theyjust need the weapons and then eat everything, they should get everything they want and need to put this to an end now, so short—term when perhaps with possibly long—term bad consequences. going back to the story in the sunday times, it is an extraordinary thing but sources close to lord cameron white also briefed because what david cameron has effectively done, it may be in private conversation with donald trump, is ten british foreign policy on its head. know when you talk to the government would ever count on some sort of peace agreement between ukraine and russia but maybe what we got here was a bit of realpolitik. i

think the focus was how to ensure that the _ think the focus was how to ensure that the ukraine are in the best position— that the ukraine are in the best position possibly when and if the memo _ position possibly when and if the memo comes and we all hope it is when _ memo comes and we all hope it is when the — memo comes and we all hope it is when the moment, when there can be negotiation _ when the moment, when there can be negotiation to end the fighting and ithink— negotiation to end the fighting and i think borisjohnson, i heard on countless — i think borisjohnson, i heard on countless times say to president zelensky, — countless times say to president zelensky, you tell me if you ever want _ zelensky, you tell me if you ever want to— zelensky, you tell me if you ever want to settle. but as long as you are prepared to fight and the people are prepared to fight and the people are capable of being as heroic a5 are capable of being as heroic as they are, — are capable of being as heroic as they are, then we will do our best not only— they are, then we will do our best not only to — they are, then we will do our best not only to help you as a uk bid to -et not only to help you as a uk bid to get the _ not only to help you as a uk bid to get the rest — not only to help you as a uk bid to get the rest of the word to help and it sounds— get the rest of the word to help and it sounds a — get the rest of the word to help and it sounds a safe, and i don't know if it is— it sounds a safe, and i don't know if it is true, — it sounds a safe, and i don't know if it is true, but it sounds as if every— if it is true, but it sounds as if every criminals helped pull off quite — every criminals helped pull off quite a — every criminals helped pull off quite a coup here and unlock something that was existentially threatening to the ukraine in pandering to trump, and this again is something we need to focus more on politics — is something we need to focus more on politics. less of this virtue singling — on politics. less of this virtue singling -- _ on politics. less of this virtue singling —— signalling more about achieving — singling —— signalling more about achieving a — singling —— signalling more about achieving a real reality. if you're going _ achieving a real reality. if you're going to — achieving a real reality. if you're going to suck up to a man to be

regarded — going to suck up to a man to be regarded as odious, and i think david _ regarded as odious, and i think david cameron said some pretty david cameron said 5ome pretty fruity— david cameron said some pretty fruity things about him in the past, but in _ fruity things about him in the past, but in the — fruity things about him in the past, but in the end the object of the exercise — but in the end the object of the exercise was to unlock the situation in congress. — exercise was to unlock the situation in congress, get aid to ukraine and allow— in congress, get aid to ukraine and allow them — in congress, get aid to ukraine and allow them to have a fighting chance against _ allow them to have a fighting chance against russia and if that has been achieved, — against russia and if that has been achieved, then it is a job well done — achieved, then it is a “ob well done. , . . ., achieved, then it is a “ob well done. . . ., done. on his arrival a car today, donald trump — done. on his arrival a car today, donald trump came _ done. on his arrival a car today, donald trump came and - done. on his arrival a car today, donald trump came and with i done. on his arrival a car today, | donald trump came and with the latest polling and according to the latest polling and according to the latest new york times poll is he leads in five of the six states. biden is not of the six states. biden is not of the six states. biden is not of the six states. biden is narrowly heading michigan but trump is ahead in wisconsin, georgia, nevada, arizona and pennsylvania. i'm sure the times is thrilled. the big thing today seems to be the times. i am sure the times is thrilled, but i respect them for at least letting it come out, and there it is, it is trump leading by a lot in every state.

every swing state leading by a lot. weiss is still leading in the polls for the court case hanging over him, a felony charge and we will come to some of the things he said in its campaign at the weekend but it is staggering to a lot of people outside the united states that he is more competitive at the moment than joe biden. 50 more competitive at the moment than joe biden. . ., . joe biden. so much to say about the new york times _ joe biden. so much to say about the new york times polling, _ joe biden. so much to say about the new york times polling, they i new york times polling, they predicted a red wave two years ago when some people predicted that was not the case. so let's put that polling aside, as we will, it is made, but not a great track record there. that said it will be a competitive race, it will be close but as i've said on the show for months and months, i will say to going today, joe biden get re—elected, we hold the senate and we were in the house back. those are democrats. that is a different ball game. i think there are many voters in the united states they are exhausted by the last nine years, especially the trump years and they

will not focus until mid to late summer at best, early fall, but one thing we do know from credible polling if donald trump is convicted of a felony then many voters, including republicans, stay they will not vote for him. so i think this is what campaigns are on the bar, this is going to be a tough campaign for everybody and i am not relishing much of it, but between now and november, and frankly i don't any of us. i can untiljanuary the 6th, which is the inauguration, sorry january the 20th, there is a lot to happen and i think people will tune in mar la to be going to this election cycle.— this election cycle. trump is back in the campaign _ this election cycle. trump is back in the campaign trail— this election cycle. trump is back in the campaign trail this - this election cycle. trump is back in the campaign trail this week. i first time we have seen him for a while. in wildwood newjersey. silence of the land? is anyone ever seen times of the land? the late and great hannibal lecter. a wonderful

man, he had a friend for dinner. excuse me, i am about to have a friend for dinner. i am about to have a friend for dinner! hannibal lecter, congratulations. i am none the wiser on _ lecter, congratulations. i am none the wiser on that _ lecter, congratulations. i am none the wiser on that but _ lecter, congratulations. i am none the wiser on that but that - lecter, congratulations. i am none the wiser on that but that is i lecter, congratulations. i am none. the wiser on that but that is amount truss thinks we need back in the oval do you? i truss thinks we need back in the oval do you?— oval do you? i say that anthony ho - kins oval do you? i say that anthony hopkins is _ oval do you? i say that anthony hopkins is one _ oval do you? i say that anthony hopkins is one of _ oval do you? i say that anthony hopkins is one of the _ oval do you? i say that anthony hopkins is one of the best i oval do you? i say that anthony l hopkins is one of the best actors oval do you? i say that anthony i hopkins is one of the best actors in the world _ hopkins is one of the best actors in the world and he is a fellow welshman, he played hannibal lecter brilliantly— welshman, he played hannibal lecter brilliantly but that is about the most — brilliantly but that is about the most positive thing i can say about that weird — most positive thing i can say about that weird thing. i think the serious _ that weird thing. i think the serious point is he doesn't seem to matter— serious point is he doesn't seem to matter what donald trump does, he has managed to frame the discussion over there _ has managed to frame the discussion over there as if one where every attack _ over there as if one where every attack on — over there as if one where every attack on him is confirming the fears— attack on him is confirming the fears of— attack on him is confirming the fears of the people instinctively like what he says, but the other side are — like what he says, but the other side are out to get him, and he is playing _ 5ide are out to get him, and he is playing on— side are out to get him, and he is playing on the conspiracy theories, i5 playing on the conspiracy theories, is playing _ playing on the conspiracy theories, is playing on the idea of an establishment doesn't care for the ordinary— establishment doesn't care for the

ordinary man and he despite being a multimillionaire living in a grey tower— multimillionaire living in a grey tower and _ multimillionaire living in a grey tower and all the rest of it, so managed _ tower and all the rest of it, so managed to put himself on the side of those _ managed to put himself on the side of those people and the danger here is the _ of those people and the danger here is the more — of those people and the danger here is the more the system tries to destroy— is the more the system tries to destroy him, rather than let him stand _ destroy him, rather than let him stand and — destroy him, rather than let him stand and be defeated by the people, the stronger he will go into that poll and — the stronger he will go into that poll and into that vote and there is this ultimate paradox in the end that the — this ultimate paradox in the end that the more obnoxious he is, somehow— that the more obnoxious he is, somehow the master key where he seems _ somehow the master key where he seems to— somehow the master key where he seems to be far as i can see from thousands— seems to be far as i can see from thousands of miles away of winning this race _ thousands of miles away of winning this race and i think there is a very— this race and i think there is a very serious threat of that happening and it is now a working assumption for a whole load of politicians here and elsewhere that they will— politicians here and elsewhere that they will have to deal with him and that in_ they will have to deal with him and that in itself will start to shape the debate as well.— that in itself will start to shape the debate as well. which is why david lammy. — the debate as well. which is why david lammy, that _ the debate as well. which is why david lammy, that labour- the debate as well. which is why i david lammy, that labour shadow foreign secretary started to make his number with some of those on the trump side. we will take a short break. the other side of that we will talk about about ongoing tonight in the house of commons. stay with us.

hello there. we've seen a real mixture of weather across the country today, across parts of northern and eastern scotland and down the eastern side of england, there has been some warm spells of sunshine. i've seen temperatures go to 23 degrees in a few spots, but it's a different story further southwards and westwards, with outbreaks of rain for northern ireland, wales and south west england. the rain has all been tied in with this curl of cloud, which is an area of low pressure. these weather fronts have been particularly slow moving, so it's been raining for most of the day for these areas and the front will continue to be slow moving as we go through the night. eventually, the rain crawls its way across the midlands into eastern england, gets into more of scotland through the night. but it should start to ease off across parts of wales, and the south west of england, although there could be a few showers here. temperatures overnight for most around 11 to ia degrees. so we are looking at a mild night and a mild start to tuesday. this time, though, the rain will be pushing its way in across scotland and eastern areas of england. so that's where some of the wettest weather's going to be.

a bit brighterfor northern ireland, wales and south west england, but not dry. it will be a day of sunshine and showers for these areas and some of the showers through the afternoon could turn out to be quite heavy with an odd rumble of thunder. for many areas, temperatures reached the upper teens. it is a bit above average for this time of year and where the sunshine comes out, it won't feel too bad. for the middle part of the week, wednesday we've still got our low pressure still in the same kind of area, still a day of sunshine and showers for many of these southern and western areas, although we could have some more persistent outbreaks of rain for eastern england. the driest, warmest weather, it's likely to be across northern scotland where the warm spots could get up to around 22 or 23 degrees celsius or so. 0therwise, high teens to low twenties. again, not feeling bad where the sunshine bothers to put in an appearance. thursday, low pressure is still with us. this time we could have some lengthier heavy outbreaks of rain moving into central and eastern parts of england. but again, the driest weather is likely to be across northern scotland, where locally could see temperatures of around 22 or so. 0therwise, generally our temperatures into the high teens. through friday and indeed the weekend start of next week,

it's the north of the country that will have the driest and some of the warmest weather as well. with some pockets might we see temperatures into the twenties across northern scotland for england and wales though, different story generally it's going to be quite unsettled with plenty of showers around.