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time for a look at the weather.
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what appears to be the attempted assassination of the prime minister of slovakia. tonight we'll have the latest. what's behind the life—threatening attack, by a man we now know
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is a political activist and poet? we'll be speaking to a former prime minister of slovakia. also tonight, president zelensky has cancelled foreign trips as ukrainian forces struggle to contain the new russian offensive. will the new american arms deal be enough? and this. you can'tjust park people in an emergency department, just like a sort of dumping ground. this should be seen as a national disgrace. our exclusive investigation into nhs england's misnamed "corridor care" leaving patients often untended outside wards for hours. and the first interview with the brother of a british mexican national, on trial in qatar, who claims he was targeted for being gay, and that drugs were planted on him. alongside him, the mp leading efforts to have him repatriated. good evening. today we have witnessed the first attempt on the life
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of a serving eu prime minister. slovakia's robert fico was shot at close range, reportedly five times, in the arm, leg and stomach, by a so far unnamed assailant as he left a government meeting. officials are calling it an assassination attempt, and other eu leaders say it's an attack on democracy. mark is here. first of all, we are clear what happened? it first of all, we are clear what happened?— first of all, we are clear what happened? first of all, we are clear what hauened? , , ., happened? it seems so, as so often in these days _ happened? it seems so, as so often in these days of— happened? it seems so, as so often in these days of phones _ happened? it seems so, as so often in these days of phones and - happened? it seems so, as so often i in these days of phones and cameras, there were recordings of the moment it happened punter it does seem to be there were five shots, it was about 2:30pm, he went over to meet a crowd of people, one of them shot at him, he was rushed into a car and taken to hospital and flown to another hospital, conditions are to be serious punter political tensions come immediately some of his ministers blamed polarisation, some blamed the press for accentuating that printer mr fico himself had
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argued that the press was polarising things. he had been putting through a legal reform which was essentially going to make it harder to prosecute people for corruption and that was the big hot button issue of the moment. ~ ., the big hot button issue of the moment. ~ . ~ ., ., ., moment. what we know of him? the man arrested is apparently _ moment. what we know of him? the man arrested is apparently a _ moment. what we know of him? the man arrested is apparently a political— arrested is apparently a political activist and poet but what else do we know? , , we know? the interesting thing is, we know? the interesting thing is, we have an — we know? the interesting thing is, we have an image _ we know? the interesting thing is, we have an image i _ we know? the interesting thing is, we have an image i think - we know? the interesting thing is, we have an image i think from - we know? the interesting thing is, we have an image i think from onei we know? the interesting thing is, i we have an image i think from one of the open source intelligence analyst on twitter who pretty quickly found an image of this man at a demonstration in february protesting against this team to the law, this was the thing about corruption. so he was definitely photographed their. there is another piece of video doing the rounds, were not sure if it can be verified, which appears to show the suspect after he has been arrested saying he did it because of political differences with the government. joining me now is slovakia's former
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prime minister, eduard heger, thank you forjoining us. firstly, your reaction to what has happened? thank you and good evening. first of all, i would like to strongly condemn this attack on our prime minister, there is no room for violence or aggression in democracy. and i wish the prime minister a quick recovery. based on the information we received from the hospital, he is after a long surgery conscious and we are waiting for more information. it conscious and we are waiting for more information.— conscious and we are waiting for more information. it must be said ou are a more information. it must be said you are a political _ more information. it must be said you are a political opponent - more information. it must be said you are a political opponent of. more information. it must be said you are a political opponent of his and i wonder what you make of what mark was saying about recent changes to the law, to water down anti—corruption laws, and we know in cabinet today he was talking about the possibility of abolishing the public broadcaster. in terms of the
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mood music of the country, what was going on? mood music of the country, what was auoin on? , .,, _, mood music of the country, what was auoin on? , .,, i. ~ ., mood music of the country, what was uaoinon? , ~' ., ., mood music of the country, what was uaoinon? , ~ ., ., ., going on? yes, as you know, we are a neighbouring — going on? yes, as you know, we are a neighbouring country _ going on? yes, as you know, we are a neighbouring country to _ going on? yes, as you know, we are a neighbouring country to ukraine - going on? yes, as you know, we are a neighbouring country to ukraine and l neighbouring country to ukraine and the polarisation basically started in the last election term when there was a lot of crisis and mr fico was in the opposition. what i want to say is that it is very unfortunate, we see the polarisation is present not only in slovakia but we could say all over the democratic world. and any aggressive language from the politicians never helps and actually the opposite. so therefore i think now is the moment when we have to realise this and we have to change the way the politicians speak about, and bring democracy to its roots and basically provide freedom, soak solutions can be discussed and introduced for a better living of people which right now we see that
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is not necessarily the case. we saw the interior— is not necessarily the case. we saw the interior minister _ is not necessarily the case. we saw the interior minister today - is not necessarily the case. we saw the interior minister today and - is not necessarily the case. we saw the interior minister today and he l the interior minister today and he was pointing the finger at the press and social media, online social media, saying they were to blame. this is definitely not a good time to blame our media or anybody. now is the time to provide security to the people and basically calm the whole atmosphere in the whole society. it is necessary really to introduce solutions and basically all the politicians should speak in one voice in ringing a secure atmosphere for this citizens. but with the prime minister incapacitated at least for the moment, and the coalition that exists with another party, what is likely to happen, politically likely to happen in the next days and weeks? i
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to happen in the next days and weeks? , . weeks? i very much appreciate the ve cuick weeks? i very much appreciate the very quick reaction _ weeks? i very much appreciate the very quick reaction of _ weeks? i very much appreciate the very quick reaction of the - very quick reaction of the opposition leaders and also the world leaders as you saw, they all condemned this brutal attack. they also wished a quick recovery to the prime minister. i think it is very important, how the politicians from the coalition and opposition will behave in the upcoming days and hours. i think it is very important to first of all speak with one voice and provide and bring security to the public. they need to see that the public. they need to see that the politics is about a battle of ideas and solutions, not about a battle between people. violence is not acceptable at all, nor in politics, it's a signal that needs to be sent out immediately not only today but tomorrow and the upcoming days. that is what i call also my
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colleagues in the sticks to speak with one voice. there should be a security council tomorrow i think will be very important if the government official will also invite the opposition leaders to this security council. find the opposition leaders to this security council.— the opposition leaders to this security council. the opposition leaders to this securi council. ., , security council. and of course you are a leading _ security council. and of course you are a leading figure _ security council. and of course you are a leading figure in _ security council. and of course you are a leading figure in the - are a leading figure in the opposition. you raised the fact of your proximity to ukraine obviously, and is there a concern in the country that any instability, any issues might be taken advantage of by vladimir putin? you see what is happening in ukraine and exceptionally the russians are making progress in kharkiv, for example, so do you have broader concerns about central europe? in general, we see that and we saw it over the last few years, slovakia and other countries around strong
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russian propaganda, the flood of this information it is really tremendous that we see present on the intranet and social platforms. definitely we cannot underestimate this pressure and that is why being a neighbouring country to ukraine, a nato country, it's also very important for the security also of the whole coalition of countries. which is my final question, what are you looking to other european leaders to do in this time essentially of crisis? i leaders to do in this time essentially of crisis? i think as i said, it starts _ essentially of crisis? i think as i said, it starts with _ essentially of crisis? i think as i said, it starts with the - essentially of crisis? i think as i said, it starts with the coalition | said, it starts with the coalition and opposition leaders speaking with one voice and providing the atmosphere of security punter and then i very much welcome the proposals, basically all the world leaders saying they are willing to help in any means. but this needs to come out of the meeting between the
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coalition and the opposition leaders. i think the president should also be involved in this round table or maybe she will be the one that should organise this kind of roundtable, especially in such crucial moments as we have right now in our country. crucial moments as we have right now in our country-— in our country. thank you very much for “oininu in our country. thank you very much forjoining us— in our country. thank you very much forjoining us tonight. _ let's speak to dalibor rohac, a senior fellow at the american enterprise institute, whojoins me from washington dc. thank you forjoining us. what do you make of this?— thank you forjoining us. what do you make of this? firstly, thank you for havin: you make of this? firstly, thank you for having me- _ you make of this? firstly, thank you for having me. it _ you make of this? firstly, thank you for having me. it is _ you make of this? firstly, thank you for having me. it is a _ you make of this? firstly, thank you for having me. it is a shocking - for having me. it is a shocking event indeed. political assassinations have been incredibly rare, particularly in europe, you have to go back to 1986 in sweden to see the prime minister assassinated and in slovak history you have to go as far as 100 years to see a high—ranking government official assassinated. at the same time,
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slovakia has been on the path towards ever greater polarisation, a true crisis of civility and rhetoric to which prime mr robert fico himself was a major contributor. it is both shocking and also perhaps not quite as surprising and most importantly i think it should serve as a warning to other polarised democracies on both sides of the atlantic. ., , democracies on both sides of the atlantic. . , , ., , , atlantic. there have been protests in the recent _ atlantic. there have been protests in the recent past _ atlantic. there have been protests in the recent past which _ atlantic. there have been protests in the recent past which have - atlantic. there have been protests in the recent past which have all . in the recent past which have all been peaceful, we understand this is the first act of violence. i wonder the first act of violence. i wonder the impact if it is a shock on slovakia, culturally and everything else? ,, ., .," ., , slovakia, culturally and everything else? ,, ., .,~ ., , ., slovakia, culturally and everything else? ,, ., jd, , ., , ., slovakia, culturally and everything else? ,,., , ., , else? slovakia is a small country, 5 million peeple. _ else? slovakia is a small country, 5 million people, in _ else? slovakia is a small country, 5 million people, in which _ else? slovakia is a small country, 5 million people, in which political. million people, in which political divides have traditionally run in families and people would be able to gather round the dinner table and have a civil conversation. i think those kind of things have become more and more difficult. robert fico perhaps could be compared to
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america's disgraced former president donald trump in his quality to elicit strong emotions, people either hate him or adore him with equal intensity. i think that has certainly been a major contributor to the polarised politics in recent months. his government, which arrived in power in october last year, has embarked on really a policy of incumbent entrenchment through the changes to the criminal code that your diplomatic correspondent discussed but also changes to public broadcasting and there is now also a foreign agent's law very much huddled up of the russian and georgian and hungarian model in the pipeline. that has obviously elicited strong emotions. you talk, obviously there is a parallel with viktor orban, what do you think might happen? you have a coalition in slovakia. i wonder will
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that coalition just double down or do you think they will be a move, there's a reason for a move for fresh elections? i there's a reason for a move for fresh elections?— there's a reason for a move for fresh elections? i think what the country does _ fresh elections? i think what the country does need _ fresh elections? i think what the country does need is _ fresh elections? i think what the country does need is to - fresh elections? i think what the country does need is to turn - fresh elections? i think what the l country does need is to turn down the temperature at least a little bit. we are, as slovaks come on the precipice of a cold civil war to say the very least. ifear precipice of a cold civil war to say the very least. i fear that that is not the path that will be followed by the governing coalition. we live in an era where everything might seem like a reichstag fire but it does not mean there are no reichstag fire is opened i wish the premise that well but i do fear there are figures in the governing coalition who will try to seize the moment and perhaps get some of these changes that have been already in the pipeline or that have been entertained before, to get them through parliament and to really get slovakia on a path that will get us much closer towards the uncaring or
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turkish model of governance than to what has been the base line up to this day —— the hungarian model. thank you very much. we turn now to ukraine, where the city of kharkiv is bearing the brunt of a new russian offensive, the intensity of which has caused president zelensky to cancel foreign trips in the forseeable future. ukrainian troops are clamouring to be allowed to use us weaponry against the enemy over the border in russia, something the us president will not allow. here's joe inwood. in towns and villages, right across the border between kharkiv region and russia, an evacuation is under way. most of them are elderly. some may have already fled before. translation: we will not go, - our grandmother, she's really old. translation: well, | take grandmother too. you'll have medical support over there. no.
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for many it is notjust their homes they don't want to leave. "you are my sweetheart", this woman says, "such a small puppy, she just wants to play." translation: how can i leave? i live my entire life here. look, ijust let pigs out, and our dog. my son bought her, she is such a small girl. the process continues — dozens of people taken away from the fighting. leading the effort is alexei from the regional police. as well as going door—to—door, he spreads his message on social media. the russians are once again advancing around kharkiv, pushing into territory they were driven out of in 2022. at the moment, they have only
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taken a few kilometres. the real concern is they could get within artillery range of kharkiv city itself. today, it was announced that ukrainian troops were withdrawing from the border villages, and that president zelensky�*s international trips had been cancelled. but he insisted kharkiv would not fall. translation: it is too early to draw conclusions, - but the situation is under control. our warriors are destroying the occupier who is trying to advance. everything is quite tense. but we have reinforced the directions, including the kharkiv ones. despite that, the city is coming underfire. not from artillery, but from missile attacks, and russian glide bombs — cheap, plentiful and devastating. this is one hitting a residential complex in another part of ukraine. once the dust settles you can see it completely destroys much of a six storey building. and glide bombs have been decisive in recent months.
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in terms of explosive power, the glide bombs are pretty equivalent to the large long range strike missiles that the russians are using routinely against ukrainian infrastructure and targets throughout ukraine in—depth, but they are much cheaper and can be used in larger numbers. and they are. hundreds dropped every day. oleksii, who earlier we saw leading the evacuation efforts, has seen their impact up close. translation: there are no words to describe the aftermath - of the glide bombs. you are called to come and when you arrive you see people who are laying there, torn apart. i don't know how to describe it. for days oleksii and his colleagues have been helping evacuate volchansk, but this evening there are reports of
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a battle for the town. these are undoubtedly difficult days for ukraine. so how should we judge the state of the conflict as it enters its 26th month, with no sign of victory for either side. here's mark. ukraine is facing a crisis on several fronts. a few days ago, the russians started a new offensive near kharkiv, one of ukraine's biggest cities, and very close, just around llo kilometres, to the russian border. they are also facing a very tough battle for an important town in the donbas, and the last of the major problems is the increasing effectiveness of russia penetrating ukrainian air defences. let's start with that last one first. this is the issue caused by the hold—up in supplies of missiles from the us and other western countries. during the past six months, ukraine have been able to interceptjust under half of the russian missiles heading for them — 46%. go back a year and they were stopping 73%.
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since more russian missiles are now getting through, powerstations and other national infrastructure targets are being pounded. here is the number of fully functioning power stations in ukraine. and here are the number that have been fully or partially taken out of action during the conflict. let's talk about chasiv yar next. that town is important because it is on high ground and if the russians take it, a much bigger area could become untenable for ukrainian forces. here, the issue of western supplies running low, particularly artillery shells, has also played its part. russia has been more successful at gearing up production and buying large quantities of shells and so can fire many times the number. but russia has also been more effective at mobilising people. both armies have to fight along this enormous front
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line, about 1000 kilometres long, but the ukrainians, short of soldiers, have become very stretched. that is key to the russian advances near kharkiv. there were around four ukrainian brigades, or equivalents there, when this started. that is something in the region of 7,000—12,000 soldiers, given how understrength these ukrainian units are. the russians, according to the pentagon, have brought 50,000 troops to this area. ukrainian reports also blame local commanders for failing to form proper defences. but it is really in this area that president zelensky�*s failure to deal with the shortage of soldiers by immobilising more troops could cost him and ukraine dear. tonight he had this message. translation: the same attention is going to all other areas, - especially in the donetsk region, the pokrovsk direction
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as well as the kupiansk direction in the kharkiv region. we can clearly see how the occupier is trying to draw our forces away and make our combat work less concentrated. the danger in kharkiv is that the closer russian troops get to the city, the more of their artillery will be able to pound it. they have upped the missile and glide bomb strikes in recent weeks there so the prospects for anyone living in the city are looking increasingly bleak. more generally, with ukrainian manpower so stretched, the russians can flex reinforcements towards donbas or this new northern axis, wherever they feel they are making great progress. that is what president zelensky alluded to tonight. it is a troubling time for the ukrainians. mark there, and back to the uk now. the sound and sight of an arriving ambulance is a great relief for people suffering illness or injury, but for many
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patients in england, what follows is often traumatic and bewildering. across the country, many nhs trusts have adopted the us model of so—called "corridor care" to get patients out of queuing ambulances and inside the hospital, even if it means leaving them in beds in corridors, often with drips and catheters, for hours on end. here's nikki fox with her exclusive and distressing investigation. ambulances waiting for hours to off—load patients. in the past, scenes like this were the norm. now the queues have reduced, but the patients haven't stopped coming. we can'tjust park people in an emergency department, like a sort of dumping ground. this should be seen as a national disgrace. the royal college of emergency medicine suggests every week more than 250 people could be dying in overcrowded a&e departments. it's led some hospitals to roll out a new model of care. it was crammed packed.
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i would say there's probably 13 about that corridor, 13 beds. and it was unreal. we got a phone call to say he'd been moved at 4:00 in the morning onto the corridor. if i could, i'd have took him home. squeezing more patients in wards, even if there's no free bed, leaving some in corridors for days. there were things that ten years ago would never, ever have happened in our hospitals that are happening now. and sadly, we are normalising the abnormal. footage filmed secretly by a patient�*s relative. it shows the corridors around the emergency department at queen's hospital in romford in march. we counted at least 18 beds in what appear to be crowded and chaotic conditions. queen's told us the footage shows the sad reality of corridor care, and the hospital was designed to see
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half the number of patients it does now. it said it had approached nhs england for additional funding. it's a picture mirrored across many parts of the uk. yeah, i find this quite triggering, to be honest. we showed the footage to the president of the royal college of emergency medicine. these are elderly, frail people and they're just not being looked after with privacy or dignity. and they'rejust — oh my goodness, itjust goes on. how common are these scenes? they are depressingly common. morally, this is no way to treat older people. i think this is a national shame. queen's said that march was the busiest month the trust had seen. emergency departments across the uk are taking patients quicker to avoid the scenes. ambulances queuing for hours to off—load sick patients. in two years, coroners officially raised concerns about the deaths of a0 people
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because of ambulance delays. two years ago, patients who were having a stroke or a heart attack, it would take about 75 minutes to get an ambulance to them. today, it's about 30. two years ago, there were 139 hours of ambulance time outside of our emergency department here. yesterday, it was six. do you believe that lives have been saved because of that? without question. they've done it by introducing a new model of care from america called continuous flow. every hour, patients are moved from the emergency department to wards, even if they're already full. it means people are sometimes put in areas not originally designed for patients to stay in, like ward corridors. what would you say to anybody who did say to you, it's not right to be treating anyone in a corridor? i think i would hear that, and i probably felt that before in the past as well. having said that, i also feel it's
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not right to call for an ambulance for help and be sitting for a number of hours. it's the least worst option. and it's notjust south meade where they're putting beds in corridors. bbc newsnight has seen evidence suggesting a form of the continuous flow model has been introduced in at least 36 hospitals in england, scotland and wales. they include the norfolk and norwich. there, health bosses admit the risk of poor care has moved onto wards as they become overcrowded. he had no dignity on a corridor at all. i knew i could look after him better at home if it wasn't for the medical side of it. alicia gaulti was a nurse for 43 years. her partner, gregory, is just home from hospital. he was moved into a ward corridor at 4:00 in the morning
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after a neck operation. she says he stayed there for two days with no call bell and contracted a serious infection. the worst date was one day when we got up there, his catheter had actually leaked in the bed, and i literally — that was when he was on the corridor and i had to get him out of the bed. he was wet, and walking, with no covers or any screens around the bed to the bathroom to get him washed, and then even had to come back and make his bed up. i was stuck first right next to the reception desk. all the lasses on the reception, it was 24/7, lights on full. couldn't get no sleep. i had no facilities for water or for really getting changed. my possessions were all on the bottom of the bed. the actual fact was it was horrendous. the norfolk and norwich has drawn up guidelines for placing
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people in corridors, and we've obtained this copy. it says their privacy and dignity should be maintained as much as possible. the patients should be given one of these mobile communication devices so they can call for assistance, and they should be given a letter so they know who to contact if they have concerns. you're too cute! denise robinson was moved off the ward corridor at the same hospital, after her sister complained. she was waiting for a heart procedure. when you're in the corridor, were you offered a call bell? no. and were you given a letter explaining why you were there? no. they didn't even tell me. can you understand why they say they're doing this? i understand why they say they're doing it, and that is to relieve pressure from the ambulances in the car park, from the paramedics. but then it still blocks up. i was still in the car park inside an ambulance,
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with the paramedics, for between six and six and a half hours. so they filled up all these beds in the hospital corridors. what are they going to do next? the chief executive of the norfolk and norwich hospital told us... nhs england says it has no plans for a national evaluation of the impact on patients placed on wards. it added... the royal college of nursing thinks it's wrong that corridor care is accepted.
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this is now happening day after day, and there are things that ten years ago would never, ever have happened in our hospitals that are happening now. and sadly, we are normalising the abnormal. and if we don't make a stand to say enough is enough, let's properly solve the issues of the nhs. i think the real concern is that the public will lose faith in the nhs, which, let's be honest, is a tragedy to us all. one of the wider issues is hospital beds. analysis for newsnight by the health foundation shows since 2010, there are ll% fewer, while the number admitted to hospital has risen by 10%. since the pandemic, it's that gap that's put pressure on hospitals. because of the ageing population, the health foundation predicts at least 21,000 extra hospital beds will be needed by 2030, at a cost of at least £18 billion.
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actually, what we need more than anything else is enough beds within our health and social care system to look after people properly. if we had enough beds, we wouldn't need to consider models like this. the department of health said it had created 5,000 extra permanent hospital beds, and more than 10,000 hospital at home beds, freeing up capacity, while delivering £1.6 billion worth of funding over two years to support the nhs and local authorities ensure timely and effective discharge from hospitals. in england, moving people onto ward corridors has helped almost halve the more serious ambulance response times. in romford, they've apologised to patients for what they call their poor experience. but while those patients keep on coming, there are very few places left for them to go.
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i should say that a formal title of the american system is a continuous flow model. tonight we have the exclusive view of a letter, the second one a cross party group of mps has written to foreign secretary david cameron, urging him to intervene in the case of the dual british/mexican national manuel guerrero avina. mr avina, who was arrested in febraury, has lived and worked in qatar for seven years, and stands accused of drug offences which his family says are bogus. his family contends he was targeted by qatari police in a sting operation on the gay dating app grindr, as part of a crackdown against lgbt people in the country, and that upon arrest manuel had illegal methamphetamine planted on him by the authorities, and that he was subjected to ill—treatment. the qatari authorities have responded saying that, "mr avina's arrest and the subsequent investigation are related solely to the possession of illegal substances with the intent to supply."
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the verdict in his trial is due to be handed down onjune 4th. tonight we're joined for his first television interview by manuel's brother enrique, and by the labour mp kate osborne, who has spearheaded efforts to secure his repatriation. good evening to both of you. i understand you spoke to your brother in doha this morning where he is not in doha this morning where he is not in prison at the moment, not being held, he is in an apartment now? he is in held, he is in an apartment now? he: is in liberty but suffering a lot of traumatic because he suffered torture and of course he's on trial because he is gay. we had to say 93)’, because he is gay. we had to say gay, being gay is not a crime, it's a human right. gay, being gay is not a crime, it's a human right-— gay, being gay is not a crime, it's a human riuht. , . . . a human right. explain what you mean b torture a human right. explain what you mean by torture exactly. _ a human right. explain what you mean by torture exactly. he _ a human right. explain what you mean by torture exactly. he was _ a human right. explain what you mean by torture exactly. he was forced - a human right. explain what you mean by torture exactly. he was forced to i by torture exactly. he was forced to see how the — by torture exactly. he was forced to see how the police _ by torture exactly. he was forced to see how the police whip _ by torture exactly. he was forced to see how the police whip other- see how the police whip other prisoners and he was threatened to suffer the same if he doesn't unblock his cell and reveal the
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names of his sexual partners and of course he was deprived of his hiv medication to make psychological and physical pressure against him, to force him to reveal the name of his sexual partners. can force him to reveal the name of his sexual partners.— sexual partners. can i 'ust check, when people * sexual partners. can i 'ust check, when people enter _ sexual partners. can ijust check, when people enter qatar - sexual partners. can ijust check, when people enter qatar to - sexual partners. can ijust check, when people enter qatar to take | when people enter qatar to take employment, everyone is given a health check and my understanding is when you're given that health check, if you have hiv, he knew what be deported. if you have hiv, he knew what be de orted. , , if you have hiv, he knew what be deorted. , , ., , ., ., deported. yes but he does not have hiv when it — deported. yes but he does not have hiv when it arrived _ deported. yes but he does not have hiv when it arrived seven _ deported. yes but he does not have hiv when it arrived seven years - deported. yes but he does not have | hiv when it arrived seven years ago. so your brother claims he was planted with drugs. he says the detention it to do with his sexuality. the qataris refute this entirely. sexuality. the qataris refute this entirel . , ., ., m, ., sexuality. the qataris refute this entirel. , ., ., m, ., , entirely. the state of qatar is l inc. if entirely. the state of qatar is lying- if this _ entirely. the state of qatar is lying. if this is _ entirely. the state of qatar is lying. if this is a _ entirely. the state of qatar is lying. if this is a drug - entirely. the state of qatar is lying. if this is a drug case, i entirely. the state of qatar is i lying. if this is a drug case, why they create a fake profile on grindr, asking to invite more lgbt persons to the meeting why they interrogate him about the name of his sexual partners. that was
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documented by the uk embassy that he suffered interrogations in the middle of the night to reveal the name of his sexual partners because it does not reveal the names, the state of get out deprive him of his hiv medication. in the other hand, the united nations made urgent action supporting manuel and asked to qatar to justify his action and qatar does not respond because they can't support for actions. i qatar does not respond because they can't support for actions.— can't support for actions. i must sa , can't support for actions. i must say. your— can't support for actions. i must say, your brother— can't support for actions. i must say, your brother has _ can't support for actions. i must say, your brother has lived - can't support for actions. i must say, your brother has lived in i can't support for actions. i must. say, your brother has lived in qatar for seven years, and surely he was aware as a gay meant that it is a very repressive regime towards people of different sexuality other than heterosexuality? yes. people of different sexuality other than heterosexuality?— people of different sexuality other than heterosexuality? yes, but you know, the immigration, _ than heterosexuality? yes, but you know, the immigration, the - than heterosexuality? yes, but you know, the immigration, the works, j know, the immigration, the works, the human rights, the sexual orientation of a person is a human right and the matter what qatar says, being gay is not a crime. but in that country, they see it as a crime so therefore is there a
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danger, what i think i'm saying is, he is prepared to take risks? h0. danger, what i think i'm saying is, he is prepared to take risks? kiwi he is prepared to take risks? no, i think when — he is prepared to take risks? no, i think when a _ he is prepared to take risks? no, i think when a person _ he is prepared to take risks? no, i think when a person looks - he is prepared to take risks? no, i think when a person looks for - he is prepared to take risks? iirr, i think when a person looks for work and migrate to another country looking for a better work, you can put in him the guilty to do that because there are human rights, you know. ., ., i. ~ ., because there are human rights, you know. ., ., ~ ., ., ., , know. how do you know for absolute sure that your _ know. how do you know for absolute sure that your brother _ know. how do you know for absolute sure that your brother was _ know. how do you know for absolute sure that your brother was not - sure that your brother was not carrying any drugs of any sort? i’m carrying any drugs of any sort? i'm sure carrying any drugs of any sort? i“n sure because i know him, all the life, you know, and he is innocent. and of course he's on trial because he is gay. and of course he's on trial because he is aa . ., and of course he's on trial because heisua. ., ., he is gay. kate osborne, you are leadin: he is gay. kate osborne, you are leading this _ he is gay. kate osborne, you are leading this effort _ he is gay. kate osborne, you are leading this effort to _ he is gay. kate osborne, you are leading this effort to have - he is gay. kate osborne, you are | leading this effort to have manuel repatriated here. what you want the foreign secretary to do? so repatriated here. what you want the foreign secretary to do?— foreign secretary to do? so far, he has done very _ foreign secretary to do? so far, he has done very little. _ foreign secretary to do? so far, he has done very little. we _ foreign secretary to do? so far, he has done very little. we want - foreign secretary to do? so far, he has done very little. we want him i foreign secretary to do? so far, he| has done very little. we want him to engage _ has done very little. we want him to engage with the qatari government, to engage with the qatari government, lo speak— engage with the qatari government, to speak to the ambassador to put pressure _ to speak to the ambassador to put pressure on the ambassador to say that it's _ pressure on the ambassador to say that it's not — pressure on the ambassador to say that it's not ok that this man has
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been _ that it's not ok that this man has been detained, has been questioned, has been _ been detained, has been questioned, has been tortured. is being held in the country — has been tortured. is being held in the country. and actually, there is no reat— the country. and actually, there is no real proof presented around these charges _ no real proof presented around these charges. amnesty international and the un _ charges. amnesty international and the un have both said they are extremely concerned with how he is being _ extremely concerned with how he is being treated. david cameron needs to intervene and he needs to get him back home _ to intervene and he needs to get him back home. he needs to make sure there _ back home. he needs to make sure there is— back home. he needs to make sure there is a _ back home. he needs to make sure there is a full review of the process— there is a full review of the process that is being followed because — process that is being followed because we believe that the process has not _ because we believe that the process has not been followed. and we need the evidence. i has not been followed. and we need the evidence-— the evidence. i will come to that but what i _ the evidence. i will come to that but what i want _ the evidence. i will come to that but what i want to _ the evidence. i will come to that but what i want to say _ the evidence. i will come to that but what i want to say in - the evidence. i will come to that but what i want to say in reply . the evidence. i will come to that| but what i want to say in reply to your first letter, but what i want to say in reply to yourfirst letter, david cameron your first letter, david cameron said yourfirst letter, david cameron said the uk cannot intervene in the judicial affairs of other countries. what they can do is say that the treatment— what they can do is say that the treatment of this british national is not _ treatment of this british national is not acceptable. they can look into the — is not acceptable. they can look into the way he has been treated,
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they can _ into the way he has been treated, they can ask questions as to why his medication — they can ask questions as to why his medication was withdrawn. is now on different— medication was withdrawn. is now on different medication and he is not able to— different medication and he is not able to get the tests he need to even _ able to get the tests he need to even know what his hiv status is now _ even know what his hiv status is now |_ even know what his hiv status is now. , , , ., , even know what his hiv status is now. , ,., , now. i suppose the question is, arain, now. i suppose the question is, again. as _ now. i suppose the question is, again. as i _ now. i suppose the question is, again, as i said _ now. i suppose the question is, again, as i said to _ now. i suppose the question is, again, as i said to enrique - now. i suppose the question is, again, as i said to enrique is . now. i suppose the question is, l again, as i said to enrique is what evidence do you have that manuel was not carrying drugs?— not carrying drugs? equally, there is no evidence _ not carrying drugs? equally, there is no evidence to _ not carrying drugs? equally, there is no evidence to say _ not carrying drugs? equally, there is no evidence to say he _ not carrying drugs? equally, there is no evidence to say he has. - not carrying drugs? equally, there is no evidence to say he has. he l not carrying drugs? equally, there i is no evidence to say he has. he was forced _ is no evidence to say he has. he was forced to— is no evidence to say he has. he was forced to sign — is no evidence to say he has. he was forced to sign a confession arabic, it does— forced to sign a confession arabic, it does not— forced to sign a confession arabic, it does not read arabic is my understanding. and he was told they would _ understanding. and he was told they would be _ understanding. and he was told they would be consequences if he did not do that _ would be consequences if he did not do that so — would be consequences if he did not do that. so actually, they have video— do that. so actually, they have video footage they have not released, they could release transcripts of the interviews that they have — transcripts of the interviews that they have not released. so actually, they have not released. so actually, they need _ they have not released. so actually, they need to present the evidence to say, they need to present the evidence to say to— they need to present the evidence to say to back— they need to present the evidence to say, to back up what they are claiming _ say, to back up what they are claiming-— say, to back up what they are claiming. say, to back up what they are claimin.. , .,, , .,, say, to back up what they are claimin.. , , ., claiming. presumably manuel has a la er in claiming. presumably manuel has a lawyer in qatar _ claiming. presumably manuel has a lawyer in qatar who _ claiming. presumably manuel has a lawyer in qatar who can _ claiming. presumably manuel has a lawyer in qatar who can ask- claiming. presumably manuel has a lawyer in qatar who can ask and - claiming. presumably manuel has a
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lawyer in qatar who can ask and it i lawyer in qatar who can ask and it is legitimate to ask for that evidence and presumably you have asked for it as well but i suppose there is no legitimate route necessarily for you to get it but what about his legal representation in qatar? ., , what about his legal representation in qatar? . , ., what about his legal representation in qatar? ., , ., ._ in qatar? initially, and enrique may be able to come _ in qatar? initially, and enrique may be able to come in _ in qatar? initially, and enrique may be able to come in and _ in qatar? initially, and enrique may be able to come in and help - in qatar? initially, and enrique may be able to come in and help with i be able to come in and help with this, _ be able to come in and help with this, but— be able to come in and help with this, but initially my understanding is that— this, but initially my understanding is that he _ this, but initially my understanding is that he signed a confession that was in _ is that he signed a confession that was in arabic, who is not given the opportunity— was in arabic, who is not given the opportunity to have a translator or have _ opportunity to have a translator or have it _ opportunity to have a translator or have it translated and he was not initially— have it translated and he was not initially offered legal representation. 3�*8 initially offered legal representation. initially offered legal reresentation. j~ ., representation. 78 days without translator. _ representation. 78 days without translator, without _ representation. 78 days without translator, without access i representation. 78 days without translator, without access to i representation. 78 days without | translator, without access to the files, without lawyer hunter totally an unfair process. do files, without lawyer hunter totally an unfair process.— an unfair process. do you think the fact that the _ an unfair process. do you think the fact that the uk _ an unfair process. do you think the fact that the uk has _ an unfair process. do you think the fact that the uk has quite - an unfair process. do you think the fact that the uk has quite a - an unfair process. do you think the i fact that the uk has quite a complex relationship with qatar is a factor here? ,, ., ., ,.,y , relationship with qatar is a factor here? ,,., ., , ., , , here? qatar say they want friendship and cooperation. _ here? qatar say they want friendship and cooperation. what _ here? qatar say they want friendship and cooperation. what i _ here? qatar say they want friendship and cooperation. what i say - here? qatar say they want friendship and cooperation. what i say to i here? qatar say they want friendship and cooperation. what i say to them | and cooperation. what i say to them is if that— and cooperation. what i say to them is if that is— and cooperation. what i say to them is if that is the case, they need to cooperate — is if that is the case, they need to cooperate. they need to make sure that he _ cooperate. they need to make sure that he has— cooperate. they need to make sure that he has a fair trial, they

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