controversy it and a huge media controversy it has generated.— has generated. baby reindeer --urorts has generated. baby reindeer purports to — has generated. baby reindeer purports to be _ has generated. baby reindeer purports to be based - has generated. baby reindeer purports to be based on - has generated. baby reindeer purports to be based on a - has generated. baby reindeer| purports to be based on a true story about a woman has come forward to say it is about her and that she has been misrepresented. i and that she has been misrepresented. i have a feelinu misrepresented. i have a feeling you _ misrepresented. i have a feeling you might - misrepresented. i have a feeling you might be - misrepresented. i have a feeling you might be the | misrepresented. i have a - feeling you might be the death of me — feeling you might be the death of me. �* of me. and we will meet the reporter _ of me. and we will meet the reporter who _ of me. and we will meet the reporter who has _ of me. and we will meet the reporter who has uncovered | of me. and we will meet the - reporter who has uncovered how they are generators there been passed off as the work of human journalist. the articles had a byline and head shot but it was all ai. byline and head shot but it was allai. let's byline and head shot but it was all ai. let's start with baby reindeer. it tells the story of a scottish comedian richard gadd and how he was stopped after serving a a drink to a woman above.— after serving a a drink to a woman above. ,, g; :: ., , woman above. she left 350 hours of voicemails _ woman above. she left 350 hours of voicemails to _ woman above. she left 350 hours of voicemails to him. _ woman above. she left 350 hours

of voicemails to him. baby - of voicemails to him. baby reindeer— of voicemails to him. baby reindeer is _ of voicemails to him. baby reindeer is the _ of voicemails to him. baby reindeer is the nickname l of voicemails to him. baby reindeer is the nickname given. we are not told this is based on true events, we are told this is a true story and that statement has drawn a lot of attention. netflix says it has become a huge worldwide hit with 60 million views globally in one month.— in one month. this is some of the series- — in one month. this is some of the series. every _ in one month. this is some of the series. every day - in one month. this is some of the series. every day now, . the series. every day now, mother would be outside. a ticking lifetime on my life. i would leave first thing in the morning and she would be there. i love you, nipples. think of me — i love you, nipples. think of me at— i love you, nipples. think of me at work today.— i love you, nipples. think of me at work today. then i would come back. _ me at work today. then i would come back, sometimes- me at work today. then i would come back, sometimes as - me at work today. then i would come back, sometimes as late| me at work today. then i would l come back, sometimes as late as 11 or 12 at night and she was ii or 12 at night and she was still be there. 11 or 12 at night and she was still be there.— 11 or 12 at night and she was still be there. how was your shi - , still be there. how was your ship. did — still be there. how was your ship. did you _ still be there. how was your ship, did you think- still be there. how was your ship, did you think of- still be there. how was your ship, did you think of me? i ship, did you think of me? netflix _ ship, did you think of me? netflix has defied to comment but benjamin king senior director of public policy did appear before the culture media and sport select committee and here is answering questions

from the mpjohn nicholson. baby reindeer is an extraordinary story and a true story of the horrific abuse that the writer and protagonist richard gadd suffered at the hands of a convicted stalker. we took every reasonable precaution in discussing the real—life identities of the people involved in that story in the making of the show... but she has been identified. while — but she has been identified. while striking a balance with veracity and authenticity of richard's story. we did not want to make it generic to the point where it was no longer his story because that would undermined intent of the show. the is about its creator being stalked. in the programme he is groomed and raped by a male tv comedy executive. netflix and richard gad have not named that person or the female stalker

but a 58—year—old woman, fiona harvey, says it is about her after being identified and named on the internet as the real mother. she gave an interview to piers morgan. urn? did interview to piers morgan. why did ou interview to piers morgan. why did you decide _ interview to piers morgan. why did you decide to _ interview to piers morgan. brig did you decide to go public? the internet hounded me and gave — the internet hounded me and gave me _ the internet hounded me and gave me death threats so it was not really — gave me death threats so it was not really a choice. | gave me death threats so it was not really a choice.— not really a choice. i was forced into _ not really a choice. i was forced into the _ not really a choice. i wasj forced into the situation. not really a choice. i was - forced into the situation. the interview wasn't labelled as the lowest form of television. i have been talking to piers morgan about it. i i have been talking to piers morgan about it.— morgan about it. i was still under the _ morgan about it. i was still under the impression - morgan about it. i was still under the impression from j under the impression from netflix and richard gadd that she was a convicted stalker. i have interviewed a lot of serious criminals in my time for documentaries so i do not take any of these things likely. if she was a convicted stalker who had gone to prison and put his life through hell, clearly we have to think long and hard about the public justification in giving her the

platform but i felt there was enough of a question mark surrounding that part of the story to justify her at least giving her side of the story. she is emphatic that there was no court case, note conviction and she certainly never pleaded guilty. and she certainly never pleaded uuil . , , ., and she certainly never pleaded uuil ., . ., and she certainly never pleaded guilty. did you check ahead of that? whether _ guilty. did you check ahead of that? whether she _ guilty. did you check ahead of that? whether she had - guilty. did you check ahead of| that? whether she had mental health issues, whether she had stopped people?— stopped people? there were obviously — stopped people? there were obviously other _ stopped people? there were obviously other reports - stopped people? there were obviously other reports of. stopped people? there were| obviously other reports of her having stopped other people but again, nothing that led to any apparent conviction and i think thatis apparent conviction and i think that is a crucial distinction i would draw here, which is there is a distant different who may have been obsessive towards people but if it has not crossed the butt of a crime, then to call them in a series where they have been immediately identified, a convicted criminal, it is a seniorfailure by convicted criminal, it is a senior failure by netflix. convicted criminal, it is a seniorfailure by netflix. i would counter that by simply

saying, we do not know yet. all we do know is the world journalists have been looking at this for nearly a month and nobody has found any evidence whatsoever that she has any criminal record, let alone anything to do with richard gadd. 1&5 anything to do with richard gadd. �* . . anything to do with richard gadd. ~ , ., , . anything to do with richard gadd. a ., ' . , anything to do with richard gadd. ' . , ., gadd. as a difference between a criminal record, _ gadd. as a difference between a criminal record, someone - gadd. as a difference between a criminal record, someone with l criminal record, someone with mental health problems, who may have sent tens of thousands of e—mails, i wonder how much you considered that side of things? we had a long conversation about it but i actually have no... i have no qualms at all about offering her the platform because i certainly got that session did not get the feeling she was vulnerable person. when it comes to the mental health issue, richard gadd has been honest about his own mental health issue and that does not seem to be factored into people's consents. he was allowed to tell his story. he

had mental health issues, drug abuse, promiscuous sex life issues which talks about frank leapt to his credit but if he's going to be allowed to do that, i think the person that he has put up there as a convicted stalker, he was gone to prison for harassing him, should be allowed to have her say if as she says that none of it is true. ., ., , , ., true. you got huge numbers on that interview. _ true. you got huge numbers on that interview. in _ true. you got huge numbers on that interview. in hindsight, - that interview. in hindsight, does it feel appropriate to celebrate that under these circumstances? i celebrate that under these circumstances?— celebrate that under these circumstances? i have seen the bbc celebrate _ circumstances? i have seen the bbc celebrate for _ circumstances? i have seen the bbc celebrate for a _ circumstances? i have seen the bbc celebrate for a lot - circumstances? i have seen the bbc celebrate for a lot less - bbc celebrate for a lot less than theirs. i will not take any lectures about boasting about how things are done successfully back otherwise... i'm not lecturing, certainly not, i'm asking you a question. i pivoted to a full digital show several months ago and the reason i did that, as we were getting gigantic numbers anyway on our youtube channel, this was a perfect illustration a

wire wanted to do this. it is a story that many people in the media going to be pursuing for themselves because last week we had, for example, 200,000 plus new subscribers to our youtube channel, taking us to nearly 3 million subscribers, one of the biggest youtube channels in the news, opinion and interviews and we also have had nearly 12 million views of the interview. we have added millions more debate about the interview and an extraordinary global response from all sorts of media and high profile figures and someone said this is exactly what i was talking about when i said this is now how younger people, in particular, want to consume their content. they do not want to be fixed to a particular schedule but want to watch these things when they decide they want to watch it and this was proven the putting... in answer to your question, am i going to be regretful we did

really well? no, myjob is to get people to watch the content. get people to watch the content-— get people to watch the content. , ., , ., get people to watch the content. , ., content. some people would say, if ou content. some people would say, if you have _ content. some people would say, if you have a _ content. some people would say, if you have a business _ content. some people would say, if you have a business model- content. some people would say, if you have a business model or l if you have a business model or everything is about clicks and heads, then this is potentially where you end up, potentially with somebody other people have suggested you have exploited. the irony is that... the guardian have done about 18 columns about this and they are getting click bait. to columns about this and they are getting click bait.— getting click bait. to be fair, fiona harvey _ getting click bait. to be fair, fiona harvey is _ getting click bait. to be fair, fiona harvey is now- getting click bait. to be fair, i fiona harvey is now suggesting he did not pay her enough, that she feels use. she says you paid a £250. she feels use. she says you paid a 950-— she feels use. she says you aida£250.~ ., ., ,. ,, paid a £250. we do not discuss individual payments. _ paid a £250. we do not discuss individual payments. what - paid a £250. we do not discuss individual payments. what i . individual payments. what i would say is she got paid the same as 94% of all our guests and she was happy to be paid that amount before she sat down with the... that amount before she sat down with the- - -_ with the... she is quoted is that she — with the... she is quoted is that she now _ with the... she is quoted is that she now wants - with the... she is quoted is that she now wants £1 - with the... she is quoted is i that she now wants £1 million. we also paid for another nice

expensive haircut and a nice card to bring it to and from her home. it is in keeping with how we treat most of our gas. we do not pay big money for interviews with anybody. it is not unusual. the biggest interview i had was cristiano ronaldo and i did not paint anything. ronaldo and i did not paint anything-— ronaldo and i did not paint an hint. ,, ., , ' anything. she says she wants £1 million, is _ anything. she says she wants £1 million, is she _ anything. she says she wants £1 million, is she going _ anything. she says she wants £1 million, is she going to - anything. she says she wants £1 million, is she going to get - million, is she going to get it? ,, �* , ., ., million, is she going to get it? ,, �*, ., ., ., ' it? she's not going to get £1 million from _ it? she's not going to get £1 million from me _ it? she's not going to get £1 million from me because . it? she's not going to get £1| million from me because she it? she's not going to get £1 - million from me because she was perfectly happy with the agreed sum and that was the condition under which we did the interview. it was an completely normally. there is no question about that. in the question of whether i should feel regretful that it has been successful, i find that a very perverse charge to make. i do not see the bbc apologising when you do stuff that rates will. .. the bbc apologising when you do stuff that rates will... i’m stuff that rates will... i'm 'ust a stuff that rates will... i'm just a bbc _ stuff that rates will... i'm

just a bbcjournalist. - stuff that rates will... i'm just a bbcjournalist. did you consider out of interest, that you had a duty of care towards so? �* , ,., , �* ~' so? absolutely. and i think with a field _ so? absolutely. and i think with a field that _ so? absolutely. and i think with a field that duty - so? absolutely. and i think with a field that duty of- so? absolutely. and i think| with a field that duty of care are downside better than netflix. what did it involve? two of my team spending a lot of time before, during and after and currently, spending a lot of time talking to her, aware that by this interview she would be putting herself out there to the world and aware that clearly she might have... she might have mental health issues but these are not anything that she has admitted to. they do not provide any actual evidence for it and the suggestion she is a convicted stalker appears to be untrue so before we leap to presumptions about the state of her mental health, i would argue that for a first—time interview, someone who is never given a tv interview, she did well, very competitive, very direct, did

not believe a lot of what she was saying but that does not make it mentally vulnerable or mentally ill. make it mentally vulnerable or mentally ill-— mentally ill. that was piers morgan- — mentally ill. that was piers morgan. lets _ mentally ill. that was piers morgan. lets unpick - mentally ill. that was piers i morgan. lets unpick some of mentally ill. that was piers - morgan. lets unpick some of the issues raised here with a four bbc news legal effect correspondent and a trained barrister and works in pr and right films and tv scripts as well. and also chris, an independent media consultant and former head of standards the broadcast regulator in the uk and what is your response to the whole saga around this series? . the whole saga around this series? , , ,., ., series? first responding to it is a media — series? first responding to it is a media circus _ series? first responding to it is a media circus and - series? first responding to it is a media circus and what i i is a media circus and what i would urge netflix to do is to do an enquiry and a review entities. how accurate it was.

whether any harm has been cost. just to reiterate, i want to be absolutely clear, at the beginning of the series it says without caveat, this is a true story. you're absolutely right but is also a drama so there is a bit of artistic license so this is a true story, you're watching a drama doctor or drama and what do you take as a viewer, what do you expect?. you mentioned that she sent allegedly 40,000 e—mails. if it was 400 that could be problematic. if it is 20,000 it would be inaccurate but you would be inaccurate but you would not be unfair to her and thatis would not be unfair to her and that is where the regulatory inspection comes in with regards to this programme, was it unfair to regards to this programme, was it unfairto herand regards to this programme, was it unfair to her and also did it unfair to her and also did it in french her privacy withoutjustification? was it without justification? was it the withoutjustification? was it the programme that created this effect or had she already identified herself online has been the potential stalker of

richard gadd? the information might have already been out there. i know netflix have said they did not mean to identify her, in inverted commas, but she may have identified herself before. i do not know the answer to that.— answer to that. trained barrister, _ answer to that. trained barrister, now - answer to that. trained barrister, now writing l barrister, now writing yourself, what is your take both as a writer and a trained lawyer? has both as a writer and a trained la er? �* . . both as a writer and a trained la er? ~ , ., , lawyer? as a writer, it is interesting, _ lawyer? as a writer, it is interesting, i— lawyer? as a writer, it is interesting, i have i lawyer? as a writer, it is interesting, i have a i lawyer? as a writer, it is i interesting, i have a contract that— interesting, i have a contract that i— interesting, i have a contract that i had _ interesting, i have a contract that i had to sign and writers must — that i had to sign and writers must give _ that i had to sign and writers must give warranties and let me read _ must give warranties and let me read this— must give warranties and let me read this is— must give warranties and let me read this is from a film whether two principal characters were both dead... fantestic— characters were both dead... fantastic film. about the theft of the amazing artwork. thank ou, of the amazing artwork. thank you. that _ of the amazing artwork. thank you. that is — of the amazing artwork. thank you, that is kind _ of the amazing artwork. thank you, that is kind of— of the amazing artwork. thank you, that is kind of you. i of the amazing artwork. thank you, that is kind of you. some j you, that is kind of you. some of the — you, that is kind of you. some of the other characters were still— of the other characters were still alive _ of the other characters were still alive so we had to sign this— still alive so we had to sign this contract and one of the clauses _ this contract and one of the clauses read," to the best of the writers knowledgeably,

after — the writers knowledgeably, after due enquiry, the work will— after due enquiry, the work will not _ after due enquiry, the work will not contain defamatory or obscene — will not contain defamatory or obscene or blasphemous matter of any— obscene or blasphemous matter ofany kind." obscene or blasphemous matter of any kind." as a writer you take — of any kind." as a writer you take this _ of any kind." as a writer you take this incredibly seriously and you _ take this incredibly seriously and you really do your due diligence. i take and you really do your due diligence. itake it and you really do your due diligence. i take it more seriously maybe in other writers _ seriously maybe in other writers because i have setting in defamation cases and i would never_ in defamation cases and i would never be — in defamation cases and i would never be want to be part of one myself — never be want to be part of one myself. richard gadd has written _ myself. richard gadd has written a story about terrible things — written a story about terrible things that happened to him he never— things that happened to him he never want to stop someone who has been _ never want to stop someone who has been abuse from telling their— has been abuse from telling their stories but there are boundaries. what is so curious about— boundaries. what is so curious about this _ boundaries. what is so curious about this is that the bold statement with no qualification that this — statement with no qualification that this is a true story, you have — that this is a true story, you have richard gadd saying, later on, have richard gadd saying, later on. that— have richard gadd saying, later on, that he created a dramatic climax— on, that he created a dramatic climax and _ on, that he created a dramatic climax and he said this is emotionally true... is climax and he said this is emotionally true... is emotion a concept _ emotionally true... is emotion a concept recognised - emotionally true... is emotion a concept recognised in - emotionally true... is emotion a concept recognised in a i emotionally true... is emotion a concept recognised in a log? not in the law of defamation.

you _ not in the law of defamation. you say— not in the law of defamation. you say something about a character or it is either true or not— character or it is either true or not true. there is so much we do — or not true. there is so much we do not _ or not true. there is so much we do not know him. an observation i would make about your— observation i would make about your interview with piers morgan, i would your interview with piers morgan, iwould never confuse one appearing very confidence with the — one appearing very confidence with the fact they may have a mentai— with the fact they may have a mental health issue because they— mental health issue because they are _ mental health issue because they are not one at the same thing — they are not one at the same thin. . . they are not one at the same thin _ ., , ., they are not one at the same thin. ., ,., ., , they are not one at the same thint_ ., ,., ., f' , thing. that is a really key oint. thing. that is a really key point. when _ thing. that is a really key point. when piers - thing. that is a really key| point. when piers morgan thing. that is a really key i point. when piers morgan says i do not think she had mental health issues, i have no idea whether she has or has not but piers morgan as a journalist, he is not qualified to say whether or not someone has a mental health issue. it is whether or not someone has a mental health issue.— mental health issue. it is a hu . e mental health issue. it is a huge thing- _ mental health issue. it is a huge thing. in _ mental health issue. it is a huge thing. in reality i mental health issue. it is a | huge thing. in reality shows now, — huge thing. in reality shows now, there is massive support for people _ now, there is massive support for people who are suddenly thrust— for people who are suddenly thrust into the public glare. they— thrust into the public glare. they work with psychologist, they — they work with psychologist, they work before, during and after— they work before, during and after the _ they work before, during and after the programme and this concept — after the programme and this concept of duty of care is key.

defamation is a key issue, duty of care — defamation is a key issue, duty of care and _ defamation is a key issue, duty of care and actually reputation because — of care and actually reputation because in terms of defamation, let's assume that fiona harvey is 100% — let's assume that fiona harvey is 100% right for the sake of this— is 100% right for the sake of this example. she can bring a successful defamation action against — successful defamation action against richard gadd an netflix because — against richard gadd an netflix because all she has to do is untrue _ because all she has to do is untrue and she suffered serious harm, _ untrue and she suffered serious harm. and — untrue and she suffered serious harm, and if they were death threat — harm, and if they were death threat it— harm, and if they were death threat it would lead to a successful claim. duty of care, that _ successful claim. duty of care, that has — successful claim. duty of care, that has a _ successful claim. duty of care, that has a lot of questions. netflix _ that has a lot of questions. netflix have usually vast amounts of money but where i think— amounts of money but where i think it — amounts of money but where i think it will bite, if they failed _ think it will bite, if they failed in the duty of care, it becomes— failed in the duty of care, it becomes a big reputational issue — becomes a big reputational issue for netflix because people do not like that kind of stuff — people do not like that kind of stuff. they do not like a vulnerable person been thrown to the — vulnerable person been thrown to the wolves and they do vote with _ to the wolves and they do vote with their— to the wolves and they do vote with their feet and that subscriptions and that has been a kind _ subscriptions and that has been a kind of— subscriptions and that has been a kind of weird deafening

silence _ a kind of weird deafening silence from netflix thus far on all— silence from netflix thus far on all of— silence from netflix thus far on all of this but i think if the — on all of this but i think if the public sort of change they view— the public sort of change they view or— the public sort of change they view or are of the view that there — view or are of the view that there was— view or are of the view that there was a massive failure of duty— there was a massive failure of duty of— there was a massive failure of duty of care here, and fiona harvey's— duty of care here, and fiona harvey's life has been really impacted negatively as a result of that, — impacted negatively as a result of that, that is a big issue for netflix.— of that, that is a big issue for netflix. we want to talk about the _ for netflix. we want to talk about the bbc— for netflix. we want to talk about the bbc news - for netflix. we want to talk about the bbc news theme for netflix. we want to talk i about the bbc news theme music because it is 25 years old and the man who composed it is david lowe and he has been explaining to us how we went about making it. we explaining to us how we went about making it.— explaining to us how we went about making it. we were 'ust talkin: about making it. we were 'ust talking about i about making it. we were 'ust talking about sound i about making it. we were 'ust talking about sound that i about making it. we were just talking about sound that we . about making it. we were just l talking about sound that we had heard, in a brain storming type of meeting and one of the sounds that came up is a recognisable sound is the peep sound... love it. ithought thatis sound... love it. ithought that is a really good sound because it is a pure and a singular interaction and gives you an idea of accuracy and reliability which is one of the things we were looking for the news. so i thought i could add

a beat to it and create a piece of music using that sound. then i got back to my studio and got the idea in my head when i sat down so the next thing and it was a baseline. the baseline gives the strength of a feeling of strength and depth and a world feel. it is used in latin america and india. it gives a sense of globalism to it and then of course having the bass drum, bringing in that sort of feel, the beat happening and we wanted a big sound to herald the headlines coming in so i thought big drums is a way to go and i wanted a sound that you could use at any time so no matter how long the headline is, you can re— trigger it. the way they use it now is quite random, it is actually not musical but that gives it

almost a sense of urgency more than having it reliably musical. and at the next part was quite a tricky bit because it was cords and of course the cods are the most emotional bit. —— chords site for the news it has to be quite neutral you cannot have it to happy or too sad so a user manager and minor beautiful chords change. and it has a singular direction with the beat and this sort of anxiety with the minor chord going into a majorfield which is calmness. going into a ma'or field which is calmness.— is calmness. this is fantastic. i have is calmness. this is fantastic. l have to _ is calmness. this is fantastic. l have to say _ is calmness. this is fantastic. i have to say there _ is calmness. this is fantastic. i have to say there is - is calmness. this is fantastic. i have to say there is a i i have to say there is a version _ i have to say there is a version of you doing this online _ version of you doing this online. victor lambert, founder of the _ online. victor lambert, founder

of the website network news music— of the website network news music versatility impact of this— music versatility impact of this bbc news theme? it has been huge- _ this bbc news theme? it has been huge. sometimes- this bbc news theme? it has been huge. sometimes i i this bbc news theme? it has i been huge. sometimes ijokingly say, music was never the state after the medals but news music has never been the same sense david lowe. it has been very influential. news music tended to sound the same, very formulaic, lots of graphs instrument with a short but recognisable melody, some strings to give urgency and some gravitas. and then along comes david lowe who goes in a different direction and uses music most familiar with nightclubs and adapt that as a news theme. that was revolutionary and at the amazing thing is that a lot of european broadcasters and around the world have adopted this style so lots of them are adopting for example the peeps even though they may not be

familiar with the peeps in those countries but they use in very many different countries. very good and thank you for being on the media show. our last guest on the programme is a journalist maggie harrison. welcome to the programme. we asked you back because back in november he ran a story about the us magazine explores illustrated and how it was being accused of publishing ai written articles from writers who attend out do not have existed. you have come back to this story. have you got with it? �* ., . ~ ., , it? back in november we published _ it? back in november we published a _ it? back in november we published a report i it? back in november we published a report about| it? back in november we i published a report about sports illustrator had been publishing these articles. if i was interested in say a soccer ball, i would go online, i want the best soccer ball and i google it and a bunch of sco pamela east come up. —— power list. this company which we had

been investigating for several months, have provided a bunch of these articles. here are the pros and cons of each and as it turned out, when we looked a little bit, we realise that many of the writers or all of the writers were entirely fake, they were fabricated. they had shots had been ai generated. we following the story and in addition to that, without the company also generating content as well. it is in a lot of places and notjust in sports illustrator. places and not 'ust in sports illustrator.— illustrator. let me read you the statement _ illustrator. let me read you the statement from - illustrator. let me read you the statement from sports | the statement from sports illustrated. " an article was published that we published ai generated articles. this is not accurate. they were product reviews and licensed content from an external third party company. the number of these

articles ran on certain websites. we continually monitor our partners are in the midst of a review where these allegations were raised. " but i am interested allegations were raised. " but iam interested in, you are saying this is something happening much more broadly? we have happening much more broadly? - have found fake bylines and ai generated content across the us media system. the miami herald, los angeles times, international tabloids, we have found them in usa today, a major us newspaper, so a lot of large media companies in the us. i5 large media companies in the us. , , ., , , large media companies in the us. , ,, large media companies in the us. ,, ., large media companies in the us. is your issue you want this to be labelled _ us. is your issue you want this to be labelled or they - us. is your issue you want this to be labelled or they should l to be labelled or they should not be using content of this nature? it not be using content of this nature? , . , nature? it is an interesting question- _ nature? it is an interesting question. the _ nature? it is an interesting question. the review - nature? it is an interesting question. the review style | question. the review style content, and what we would call affiliate articles, has proven

to be quite lucrative and in some cases has done good work for organisations supporting newsroom but at the same time, the nature of our piece of content was created, by a writer or ai, that is not great for the publication or the rest of the media industry. it is a time when we have a fragmented media environment and trust in the media is at an upsetting low soap i personally believe all ai content should be marked as such and if something... sorry. i as such and if something... sor . ., ., ., as such and if something... sor. ., ., , ., sorry. i want to ask before the programme — sorry. i want to ask before the programme finishes, - sorry. i want to ask before the programme finishes, if - sorry. i want to ask before the programme finishes, if it - sorry. i want to ask before the programme finishes, if it is . programme finishes, if it is marked as such, is there any research which helps us understand whether the consumer mind or not? perhaps they would still see it as having some value? i still see it as having some value? ~ . ., , , still see it as having some value? ~ _, , , ., still see it as having some value? ~' , , . . value? i think consumers want a choice. i think _ value? i think consumers want a choice. i think there _ value? i think consumers want a choice. i think there are - value? i think consumers want a choice. i think there are some i choice. i think there are some people who do not care as long as it is good. which i should

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media show wherever you get bbc podcasts. hello there. it was another day of contrasts across the uk on friday, with some of the bluest of the skies, the highest of the temperatures across northern scotland — 2a celsius in altnaharra. compare that to just 13, 14 degrees for some north sea—facing coasts, plenty of fret and haar lasting for much of the day and a cool onshore breeze, too. now, there will be more mist and fog forming through the weekend, a weekend of sunny spells and some showers. but there will be plenty of dry weather, with a large area of high pressure out in the atlantic starting to nose in. low pressure over the near continent, and that's going to send some rain tracking westwards across southern england as we head through saturday morning. otherwise, a dry start to the day. it's mild. there'll be plenty of mist and fog, general murk and some sea fog, too, out towards those north sea coasts. now, all of that is going to be burnt back by the warm, strong may sunshine. plenty of that throughout the day,

lots of dry weather, too. the rain in the south will gradually clear away, but some heavy, thundery downpours perhaps developing for western areas. more isolated showers further east. here, it should stay largely dry. and it's cloudier and cooler across northern ireland and northern scotland. still cool again for those north sea—facing coasts, maybe 2a degrees for the central belt of scotland. otherwise, temperatures just slightly above the seasonal average — high teens, low 20s. and all of that mist and murk, sea fog willjust reform again as we head through saturday night into sunday morning, a slightly fresher feel to the morning. and again, that mist and the fog first thing is going to start to burn back with all of the sunshine developing. again, it's quite cloudy, i think, towards parts of northern scotland. some of that mist and fog could gradually sink southwards down towards parts of northeast england as we head throughout the day. but there will be a lot of sunshine around, a scattering of showers again, perhaps towards the south of england and again across southwest scotland. once again, it's cooler and cloudier for northern scotland. should be some sunny spells developing across northern ireland.

monday is looking largely dry for most. again, some mist and fog, some isolated showers, but then this area of low pressure is going to start to move in from the near continent as we head through tuesday and wednesday. so through the middle parts of next week, it could turn rather unsettled and a little cooler again, but temperatures building again perhaps by the end of the week.

live from london, this is bbc news. as ukraine comes under growing military pressure from russia — president zelensky admits a shortage of recruits is damaging morale. translation: we need to staff

the reserve _ translation: we need to staff the reserve for— translation: we need to staff the reserve for that _ translation: we need to staff the reserve for that we - translation: we need to staff the reserve for that we need - translation: we need to staff the reserve for that we need to | the reserve for that we need to do this so they can have a normal rotation and then their morale can be improved. intense fighting in an area of northern gaza the israeli army previously said was mostly cleared of hamas militants. and world number one golfer scottie scheffler is charged by police in kentucky with four offences, including assaulting an officer. hello, i'm anna foster. we begin in ukraine where president zelensky has admitted that a lack of military manpower is sapping its forces' morale. he was speaking as new laws to boost army recruitment come into effect. prisoners will now be allowed to join and fines have gone up for men who ignore the order to fight. the country is facing growing military pressure from russia, with their forces shirt on weapons and trying to shore up a weakened front line. he explained why the new law was needed.