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long time, groups who have, for a long time, been advocating for this inquiry to happen in the first place and, of course, for some of those findings to be the way that they saw it all along, they say. just recapping some of what we heard there, family members and campaigners even saying that doctors who were involved in this should have been prosecuted for manslaughter. they are saying that they want to make sure that after today, the cover—up, as they describe it, doesn't get covered up again. they were pleased that sir brian langstaff�*s findings found that this factor viii treatment should never have been licensed for use. they go on to say, which is something they've been saying for a long time, that they felt they had been gas lit for generations and in some way the findings of today vindicate their view that they have held for many, many years, many decades, in fact. and i think this
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is one of the most powerful things that came out of this news conference, saying that behind every one of those thousands of people, tens of thousands, they said who were affected, is a family. and that's a reminder, they said that saying sorry would go some way, but what would you be saying sorry for? but they would welcome an apology and it is expected when we hear from the prime minister later this afternoon there may be an apology on behalf of the government. and i want tojust behalf of the government. and i want to just say that in the last ten minutes or so, we saw some of the relatives behind me. you can still see them there in the distance and they're holding a banner, it's got they're holding a banner, it's got the faces of their beloved on it and the faces of their beloved on it and the caption simply says "murdered". that's the view that people feel here. it felt that many of —— the
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report felt that many of the deaths were largely avoidable, and the takeaway is the frustration and anger that this could have happened in the first place. i'm joined by sarah westby, a solicitor who represents around 300 clients who are advocating for justice. represents around 300 clients who are advocating forjustice. what is your reaction? you've got the report, thousands of pages. from a legal perspective, what is your view on this? ~ ., ., g; i: :: legal perspective, what is your view on this? ~ ., ., ;;:: :: ., legal perspective, what is your view onthis? ., ., ,~,:::: ., on this? well, for our 300 or so clients that _ on this? well, for our 300 or so clients that we _ on this? well, for our 300 or so clients that we represent - on this? well, for our 300 or so clients that we represent in - on this? well, for our 300 or so clients that we represent in this | clients that we represent in this inquiry, we welcome the report and absolutely, vindication for the years of struggling to be heard, struggling to get to the truth and constantly being pushed back. it's a fight forjustice constantly being pushed back. it's a fight for justice that constantly being pushed back. it's a fight forjustice that has gone on forfour fight forjustice that has gone on for four decades, fight forjustice that has gone on forfour decades, five now, and what the report finds is a litany of failures, individual, collective,
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systemic levels, as he said, largely avoidable, and together, the chair of the inquiry sir brian langstaff calls those failure is amounting to a calamity —— failures amounting to a calamity —— failures amounting to a calamity, so strongly worded and welcomed as vindication for our clients who have fought for so long. use of the word calamity and the phrase largely avoidable, it begs the question, how did it get to a point where it was able to continue, this treatment was able to be continued even though people were speaking up and saying, in letters as far back as the early 1980s, that this should stop? i as far back as the early 1980s, that this should stop?— this should stop? i think people were not listened _ this should stop? i think people were not listened to _ this should stop? i think people were not listened to and - this should stop? i think people were not listened to and that'sl this should stop? i think people . were not listened to and that's why it's so important today for our clients because they feel they have been heard by sir brian and his report. the report uses words like "inaccurate, misleading and "inaccu rate, misleading and defensive" "inaccurate, misleading and defensive" lines to take by the authorities which it calls "cruel",
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which is so important to hear because that is the reason why it has taken so long, decades and decades, to get to today because people haven't been heard and they haven't been believed when i think what we know now is that this wasn't right. what we know now is that this wasn't ri . ht. , , ., , what we know now is that this wasn't riuht. , , ., right. this inquiry has lasted a number of _ right. this inquiry has lasted a number of years. _ right. this inquiry has lasted a number of years. what - right. this inquiry has lasted a number of years. what would | right. this inquiry has lasted a i number of years. what would you right. this inquiry has lasted a - number of years. what would you say were the most compelling testimonies?— were the most compelling testimonies? v , ' . were the most compelling testimonies? h , , . ., testimonies? it's very difficult to ick out testimonies? it's very difficult to pick out any _ testimonies? it's very difficult to pick out any testimonies - testimonies? it's very difficult to | pick out any testimonies because each client's story is unique and uniquely devastating. i don't think i will everforget the uniquely devastating. i don't think i will ever forget the clients' stories i've been told, the other stories i've been told, the other stories out been heard —— i have heard throughout which have brought people to tears, stories of the devastation, in terms of people's physical and mental health, effects
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on their lives, work, education, relationships and the stigma of these deadly viruses.— relationships and the stigma of these deadly viruses. there's so much to take — these deadly viruses. there's so much to take away _ these deadly viruses. there's so much to take away from - these deadly viruses. there's so much to take away from that. i these deadly viruses. there's so | much to take away from that. so these deadly viruses. there's so - much to take away from that. so many of our viewers will just much to take away from that. so many of our viewers willjust be tuning in who want to know what the main headlines of it are. we will go through those and they are available on the bbc news website and we will continue to recap them, but one of the takeaways that really struck me when i was talking to our health editor was the fact that this report says there was the deliberate destruction of documents that might have actually helped uncover this sooner. i have actually helped uncover this sooner. ~' have actually helped uncover this sooner. ~ ., �* , have actually helped uncover this sooner. ~ . �* , ., , sooner. i think that's really important _ sooner. i think that's really important for _ sooner. i think that's really important for our _ sooner. i think that's really important for our clients i sooner. i think that's really important for our clients to j sooner. i think that's really - important for our clients to hear because it's such an important point which is made in the report and the problem with it taking so long to get to this public inquiry is documents have been destroyed, documents have been destroyed, documents have been lost, we have not been able to hear from individuals because they are no longer around to give testimony to the inquiry. nevertheless, sir brian saysin the inquiry. nevertheless, sir brian says in the report he has still been
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able to come to the conclusions he has which is a very good result for our clients. 50 has which is a very good result for our clients-— has which is a very good result for our clients. , ., ., ., , our clients. so when you hear, as we heard and that _ our clients. so when you hear, as we heard and that news _ our clients. so when you hear, as we heard and that news conference, - heard and that news conference, campaigners, family members saying it —— saying it was a cover—up, would you say that those words are fair? in would you say that those words are fair? , ., , ., would you say that those words are fair? , ., ,., _ fair? in terms of the report saying that the authorities _ fair? in terms of the report saying that the authorities gave - fair? in terms of the report saying l that the authorities gave inaccurate lines, misleading lines and were very defensive over the decades, yes, it does sound as if that is. what would you say is the most shocking part about this, given that we knew that this was happening and people fought for this to come to this stage of the inquiry? is that the biggest takeaway? i this stage of the inquiry? is that the biggest takeaway?— this stage of the inquiry? is that the biggest takeaway? i think so, eo - le the biggest takeaway? i think so, peeple have _ the biggest takeaway? i think so, people have needed _ the biggest takeaway? i think so, people have needed and - the biggest takeaway? i think so, people have needed and wanted | the biggest takeaway? i think so, | people have needed and wanted to the biggest takeaway? i think so, - people have needed and wanted to be heard but they have been silenced. it's hard to fight for justice heard but they have been silenced. it's hard to fight forjustice when you've been silenced but they haven't given up on today really as vindication of that fight. what haven't given up on today really as vindication of that fight.— vindication of that fight. what are the suggestions _ vindication of that fight. what are the suggestions and _ vindication of that fight. what are - the suggestions and recommendations from this report? we will wait for
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the ambulance to pass. what would you say the lessons from sir brian proposes to avoid something like this happening again? we proposes to avoid something like this happening again?— proposes to avoid something like this happening again? we have 12 recommendations _ this happening again? we have 12 recommendations set _ this happening again? we have 12 recommendations set out - this happening again? we have 12 recommendations set out in - this happening again? we have 12 recommendations set out in full. this happening again? we have 12 i recommendations set out in full and i won't go through them all now. we've got some really good recommendations on patient safety and candour which is testament to our clients' commitment to try to ensure this never happens again. number one as compensation without further delay in sir brian's report —— number one is compensation. lifelong care and treatment for people who have been affected and important to hear for our clients. and candour, and he recommends extending the duty of candour to government officials and nhs leaders which we really welcome on behalf of
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our clients as well, that would have helped ensure this could not go on for so long without being sorted out. for so long without being sorted out, , ., , for so long without being sorted out. , .,, _ ., out. some people were saying that all the remit _ out. some people were saying that all the remit wasn't _ out. some people were saying that all the remit wasn't about - out. some people were saying that all the remit wasn't about any - all the remit wasn't about any prosecutions, you heard some people saying they felt that the doctors who were involved at the time, although many might be long retired by now, they felt they should be prosecuted for manslaughter from a legal point of view where does the school if anywhere? trier? legal point of view where does the school if anywhere?— school if anywhere? very difficult to comment _ school if anywhere? very difficult to comment on _ school if anywhere? very difficult to comment on that _ school if anywhere? very difficult to comment on that and - school if anywhere? very difficult to comment on that and i - school if anywhere? very difficult to comment on that and i think i school if anywhere? very difficult to comment on that and i think itj to comment on that and i think it would be for the prosecutorial authority is to review that and see where it goes. irefill authority is to review that and see where it gem-— where it goes. will you or your clients be taking _ where it goes. will you or your clients be taking any _ where it goes. will you or your clients be taking any further. where it goes. will you or your - clients be taking any further cases with the findings? we clients be taking any further cases with the findings?— with the findings? we will be lookin: with the findings? we will be looking to — with the findings? we will be looking to see _ with the findings? we will be looking to see what - with the findings? we will be looking to see what the - with the findings? we will be - looking to see what the government say in response and if they implement the recommendations. we are pleased to see there is an ongoing monitoring role by the chair for parliamentary scrutiny to see that the recommendations are acted upon so we will be watching and listening carefully to see if that happens. if not, we will take any
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necessary action.— happens. if not, we will take any necessary action. would you like the prime minister _ necessary action. would you like the prime minister to _ necessary action. would you like the prime minister to say _ necessary action. would you like the prime minister to say sorry? - necessary action. would you like the prime minister to say sorry? i - necessary action. would you like the prime minister to say sorry? i thinkl prime minister to say sorry? i think an a olo: prime minister to say sorry? i think an apology is _ prime minister to say sorry? i think an apology is really _ prime minister to say sorry? i think an apology is really important, - prime minister to say sorry? i think an apology is really important, i i an apology is really important, i don't think there has been a full apology. sir brian says that an apology. sir brian says that an apology cannot be a simple "we are sorry for the suffering" it has to be meaningful and set out what is being apologised for, the ronx, the errors, the denials and the delay. —— the wrongs. errors, the denials and the delay. -- the wronge— -- the wrongs. this goes over so many different — -- the wrongs. this goes over so many different administrations . -- the wrongs. this goes over so l many different administrations and governments. many different administrations and governmenta— many different administrations and rovernments. , ., governments. yes, it has gone across executive governments _ governments. yes, it has gone across executive governments for _ governments. yes, it has gone across executive governments for many - governments. yes, it has gone across| executive governments for many years now and yesterday we heard from both main parties that they would be listening to the criticisms made of them in the final report. i'm hopeful that this will continue. thank you, sarah westlb, representing around 300 clients many
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of them here today —— sarah westerby. of them here today -- sarah westerby— of them here today -- sarah westerb . , , ., ., ., , westerby. yes, it is a lot to digest in this report _ westerby. yes, it is a lot to digest in this report but _ westerby. yes, it is a lot to digest in this report but it _ westerby. yes, it is a lot to digest in this report but it is _ westerby. yes, it is a lot to digest in this report but it is bittersweetl in this report but it is bittersweet for many of them, it is too late for some. ., ~' for many of them, it is too late for some. . ~ ,, for many of them, it is too late for some. . ~ i. ., ., , some. thank you for “oining us. takin: some. thank you for “oining us. raking us * some. thank you for “oining us. taking us through _ some. thank you forjoining us. taking us through that - some. thank you forjoining us. taking us through that report i some. thank you forjoining us. - taking us through that report which has just come out. well, as we were hearing, this report runs into the thousands of pages and behind me in the background you can see relatives and victims who have gathered here, they have been here this morning reading that report, we have heard the reaction, we heard cheering and applause, there has been a real sense of solidarity in a really sad way, people have come together through the tragedy that they share and there are so many people here who feel a sense of anger, relief, most of all, one word that keeps
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coming up is vindication because these people have been saying for years that something wasn't right and that something needed to be done. what we heard in that inquiry, one of the main findings, was that there was a deliberate destruction of documents and that really does make people think why was that the case, was there a cover—up? why was this not looked at sooner? a real sense of relief but also a sense of closure and, later today, we're going to be hearing from the prime minister, we in the house of commons. there is some speculation that he may issue an apology on behalf of the government. my colleague, our health correspondent, sophie hutchinson has more on those developments. some of the tens of thousands of people infected with hiv and hepatitis c in the 1970s, 19805 hiv and hepatitis c in the 1970s, 1980s and early 90s by contaminated
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blood. today, the final report into the scandal described the scale of what happened is horrifying and sad lives, dreams, friendships, families and finances were destroyed by it. i think the scale speaks for itself. if you have over 30,000 people going to hospital and come out with infections which were life shattering, that in itself is huge. and the suffering for them and for others is huge. the inquiry has spent four years taking evidence from more than 5,000 witnesses and examined 100,000 documents. it's concluded this was a disaster not an accident, that those in authority, doctors, blood services and governments did not put patient safety first and that patients were knowingly exposed to unacceptable risks of infection. andy evans has haemophilia, a bleeding disorder. he is one of 30,000 people infected by the treatment he received.
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by the time he was five years old he had hiv and hepatitis c, and at 13 he had developed full—blown aids. my mum took me out for a drive one day in the countryside when i was 13. she pulled up, i thought this was really weird, but then she turned to me with tears in her eyes and she said, "i've got something to tell you. do you know what hiv is?" andy has run a campaign group for victims for almost 20 years, and today he gave his reaction to the report. as amazing as this report is, i just can't help feeling that there are so many that we have lost along the way that really ought to be here to see this as well. the report says children were betrayed by being used in medical trials without their knowledge or informed consent. it says patients were not informed of the risks of their treatment, including the risks posed
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by blood transfusions. this was nurse cathy 0sborne 25 years ago with her husband neil cox, a young doctor. neil had explained before they were married that he'd been infected with hepatitis c following a blood transfusion. he died just two years into their marriage. cathy came to the inquiry today. she said you can carry grief forever. people are still dying now, it was wrong. i want an apology, i think, for what happened, recognition of what happened. and not just an apology for apology's sake, an apology that takes into consideration all that we've been through, myself, neil's family, his friends, his mother, at 92, has missed out a whole 22 years without her son. and it's about time someone stood up and was accountable for that. the report says the damage caused by the contaminated blood was compounded by the reaction of the nhs and the medical profession and by successive governments who used inaccurate,
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misleading and defensive lines, telling people they had received the best treatment. this is a day of unparalleled importance for these families. this report shines an unflinching light on the catalogue of failings that they have faced. an apology is expected later today from government, but this is notjust a look back at the past. the inquiry says that apology must be accompanied by action. last night, people infected and families held a vigil in westminster. today's report has urged the government to bring in full compensation for them without further delay. a statement from ministers is expected in the coming days. sophie hutchinson, bbc news. you saw sir brian langstaff, the chair of the inquiry in that report. let's hear more from him now. what i've found is that that
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disaster was no accident. people put their trust in the nhs and the government and doctors to keep them safe and that trust was betrayed. and then i found that the government responded in a way which made the agony worse. they repeatedly said that nothing wrong had happened. that people had had the best available treatment, and they said that when tests were reproduced for the viruses, that was soon as the technology was available, and both those things were lies. that's what i've been looking at and what i'm recommending as a result, it is compensation must be paid without delay and i've made various other recommendations to make the future safer and the nhs a better place. let me put into context, what i've been looking at a people from
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families across the uk who have gone into hospitalfor families across the uk who have gone into hospital for treatment, families across the uk who have gone into hospitalfor treatment, and into hospital for treatment, and over 30,000 into hospitalfor treatment, and over 30,000 have come out with infections which were life shattering. and 33,000 of those have died and deaths keep on happening week by week. what i've found is that disaster was no accident. people put their trust in doctors and the government to keep them safe and the government to keep them safe and that trust was betrayed. and then the government compounded the agony by telling them that nothing wrong had been done, that they had had the best available treatment and that as soon as tests were available they were introduced in both of those statements were untrue. that's why what i'm recommending is that compensation must be paid now and i've made various other recommendations to help to make the
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future of the nhs better and treatment safer. 5ir future of the nhs better and treatment safer.— future of the nhs better and treatment safer. sir brian has headed up — treatment safer. sir brian has headed up this _ treatment safer. sir brian has headed up this inquiry - treatment safer. sir brian has headed up this inquiry and i treatment safer. sir brian has headed up this inquiry and his report runs into the thousands of pages. just a summary of some of the main points that have come out of that, he says that the scandal could largely have been avoided. he says there was a pervasive cover—up to hide the truth, something that families we've heard from so far find really hard because they say that they have been trying to raise awareness and attention to this for years, for decades in fact. he also says there were deliberate attempts made to conceal the disaster, including evidence of whitehall officials destroying documents. he said that patients were knowingly exposed to unacceptable levels of infection, and he found a catalogue
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of failures which had catastrophic consequences. he described this whole episode as a calamity. a damning report. joining me now is ellie price. "i calamity." he doesn't mince his words, this was a complete disaster. —— a calamity. but so many families have been going on about this for years. have been going on about this for ears. , ., ., ., , , years. they have, and it has been really telling. _ years. they have, and it has been really telling, we _ years. they have, and it has been really telling, we saw _ years. they have, and it has been really telling, we saw the - years. they have, and it has been really telling, we saw the press i really telling, we saw the press conference a short time ago and i think it's really unusual you get victims who are this emotional and affected, they have been through so much, and it's really telling that they are pretty much very supportive of the inquiry and its findings. they talk about being validated and vindicated by what the inquiry has found, they feel they have been gas
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lit for generations and this brings an end to all that, sometimes we felt —— "sometimes we felt like we were shouting in the win for a0 years." it's quite telling just how damning sir brian has been in this inquiry to get that reaction from victims and what happens next will be the crucial point. for many of the victims, it was about that accountability, it was about the fact that somebody had listened to them and someone was taking their stories are seriously, exactly what had happened. what we will expect this afternoon is an apology from the government, that's a statement taking place in the commons in a couple of hours' time. we expect that to be from the prime minister, that to be from the prime minister, that something many of these campaigners have been calling for, a formal apology from the government. some went further in that press conference saying they wanted specific apologies from individuals
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named in the inquiry as to whether it's enough for everybody remains to be seen, it depends what is said. then we get onto the big question of compensation which is a big part of the inquiry, no surprise, we had already heard that sir brian was going to talk about that, but we are going to talk about that, but we are going to talk about that, but we are going to get more details about how that's going to play out or we should get more details over the next couple of days. the government has already paid interim payments of about £100,000 for a,000 victims and some of their partners. we know from this inquiry, we got more details, on who should get it and the talks about how much, what the grounds for compensation should be, so that will also include parents of children who are infected and children who lost parents, the affected as well as the infected. , ., ., infected. drilling down into the re ort a infected. drilling down into the report a bit _ infected. drilling down into the report a bit more, _ infected. drilling down into the report a bit more, one - infected. drilling down into the| report a bit more, one question infected. drilling down into the - report a bit more, one question that comes up again and again when you talk to people is how could it have
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happened in the first place? why was the so—called wonder solution, this treatment, factorviii the so—called wonder solution, this treatment, factor viii for example, why was that nonstop earlier when there were so many warnings? and this inquiry has seen some of the documents, some of the correspondence from various bodies and some doctors and professors who warned about this, because it was infected with hiv and hepatitis c. what more did the inquiry reveal about that? the what more did the inquiry reveal about that?— about that? the language is outstanding, _ about that? the language is outstanding, it's _ about that? the language is| outstanding, it's astonishing about that? the language is i outstanding, it's astonishing to anyone who reads these events that this could have happened in the uk, says 0'brien. "this could largely, although not entirely, have been avoided." he talks about viral infections that were known about as
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early as 198a, and he talks about the scale being horrifying that victims were failed repeatedly and he talks about being failed by the government and also the nhs and that those unacceptable risks were understood, that imported blood from the us carried a huge risk, and also the us carried a huge risk, and also theissue the us carried a huge risk, and also the issue of testing, how testing for infections like hiv and hepatitis c could have been done earlier, but it wasn't, and like you say, we have this criticism of risks that were understood, ignored and covered up, subtle, pervasive, chilling cover—ups of what happened, hiding the truth and the lack of openness and downright deception. downright deception is how documents relating to the inquiry were destroyed so they could not be poured over, so the criticism is
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damning from early on, that risk factor, then the avoidance bit and then the covering up bit. it is basically all—consuming, "this was a disaster, not an accident," he said, and i could go on, there are 2500 pages of this in seven volumes. we haven't got through all of it. one quick mention were saying, we heard about how children were victims of all of this as well and there are certain areas in which they were actually tested on. there was evidence that children were treated unnecessarily with unsafe treatments and that some were used as objects of research. that's talking about certain areas where kids were given factor viii, for example, children who were haemophilic, and were given factor viii when the risks were known yet still give in it. plenty more to poured over in all of this but in headline after headline.
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thank you very much for the moment. earlier i spoke to katie wolford whose father was a haemophiliac infected with hiv and hepatitis c. i spoke to her before the findings were released and i asked if she wanted an apology from the british government. i wanted an apology from the british government-— government. i think an apology is one thing. — government. i think an apology is one thing. it's _ government. i think an apology is one thing, it's also _ government. i think an apology is one thing, it's also the _ one thing, it's also the accountability that comes from that, the ability to say that those in power before then had made decisions that made a detrimental impact on thousands of people's lives and continue to do so. the government and the nhs, other things i would like to come from those still other things i would like to come from this is those responsible
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who are still alive, they face lawful consequences, as well as the compensation scheme granted, the dates of the scheme for the parents, the spouses and the children. joining me now is ronan fitzgerald, whose motherjane fitzgerald died at the age of 53 from hepatitis c—related illnesses. thank you forjoining us here today. it must be a day filled with emotion. how are you feeling now you have seen the report? it’s emotion. how are you feeling now you have seen the report?— have seen the report? it's an incredible — have seen the report? it's an incredible day, _ have seen the report? it's an incredible day, it's _ have seen the report? it's an incredible day, it's hard - have seen the report? it's an incredible day, it's hard to i have seen the report? it's an| incredible day, it's hard to put everything into words, so many adjectives you could use, i thought this day would never come. we've had so many false dawns over the years where you build yourself up to get the news you need to hear and it's devastating. today does feel very different, the weather is with us, it feels very poignant. seeing everything in black and white for the first time was an emotional thing to see and read, it is affirmation of the way i have been feeling over the last 15, 20 years
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of campaigning and fighting for the justice that i promised my mum on her deathbed. i'm so privileged to be here and i'm looking forward to seeing this come to an end, we need to move on from this.— to move on from this. there are thousands _ to move on from this. there are thousands of — to move on from this. there are thousands of pages _ to move on from this. there are thousands of pages and - to move on from this. there are thousands of pages and i - to move on from this. there are | thousands of pages and i haven't to move on from this. there are - thousands of pages and i haven't had time to go through it line by line yet, but some of the words, calamity, disaster, catastrophe, things that people like you and other family members things that people like you and otherfamily members or things that people like you and other family members or other survivors have been saying for years. survivors have been saying for ears. ~ , y survivors have been saying for ears. ~ , , ., , survivors have been saying for ears. n, , ., , ., years. absolutely, the words i have used for years— years. absolutely, the words i have used for years within _ years. absolutely, the words i have used for years within the _ years. absolutely, the words i have | used for years within the community for people that i've supported and people that have supported me at my lowest times. it's just hard to believe that it is all happening now. but to read those words that this was no accident, which to stand here and say that now, is just so
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powerful, i would here and say that now, is just so powerful, iwould probably here and say that now, is just so powerful, i would probably say it in a different way but we know what that means, it was no accident. we have this for decades. some people longer than myself but this was no accident and the truth is finally coming out and i'm waiting to see what's going to from this. since this is a day _ what's going to from this. since this is a day of— what's going to from this. since this is a day of reckoning - what's going to from this. since this is a day of reckoning in - what's going to from this. since i this is a day of reckoning in some way, who do you blame? fin this is a day of reckoning in some way, who do you blame?- way, who do you blame? on an individual— way, who do you blame? on an individual basis, _ way, who do you blame? on an individual basis, it's _ way, who do you blame? on an individual basis, it's hard - way, who do you blame? on an individual basis, it's hard for. way, who do you blame? on an| individual basis, it's hard for me to say. it was the previous governments making decisions, they chose profit, saving money over human life. the nhs have failed to screen the blood, they failed to recall people like my mother to make her wait 25 years of what they did to her and then not treat her, not educate the people that were there to give her the after—care that she and others deserved, it'sjust
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to give her the after—care that she and others deserved, it's just been and others deserved, it's just been a failure all the way through and that's one of the major things i can take from the report, failing all the way along. itjust reaffirms the way i have felt for so many years. you got some of the answers you've been waiting for for a long time, what action do you want now? hoop what action do you want now? how lona have what action do you want now? how long have we _ what action do you want now? how long have we got? _ what action do you want now? how long have we got? i _ what action do you want now? firm" long have we got? i want to see those responsible for the murderous crimes be held to account. if i committed the crimes that they did, i would expect to be locked away and given a life sentence so i would like to see those responsible named, shamed, mbes stripped. fir like to see those responsible named, shamed, mbes stripped.— shamed, mbes stripped. or are we talkin: shamed, mbes stripped. or are we talking about _ shamed, mbes stripped. or are we talking about now? _ shamed, mbes stripped. or are we talking about now? there - shamed, mbes stripped. or are we talking about now? there were - talking about now? there were doctors back in the day then politicians and heads of hospitals, who do you think should be held
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accountable? and how? it's a tricky question because the individuals, ifind that it's a tricky question because the individuals, i find that hard because it goes back so long, but it is the government that both the products, they failed to make the uk self—sufficient in its blood supplies. to then carry on administering those blood products and not recalling them, they played russian roulette with people's lives. they all know who they are and i'm sure the inquiry team will know who they are, as well. time will tell. some _ know who they are, as well. time will tell. some politicians - know who they are, as well. time will tell. some politicians appeared before here, as well.— before here, as well. absolutely. the all before here, as well. absolutely. they all know _ before here, as well. absolutely. they all know who _ before here, as well. absolutely. they all know who they _ before here, as well. absolutely. they all know who they are. - before here, as well. absolutely. they all know who they are. this| before here, as well. absolutely. i they all know who they are. this is a time of reckoning. itjust shows
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