it's a tricky question because the individuals, ifind that it's a tricky question because the individuals, i find that hard because it goes back so long, but it is the government that both the products, they failed to make the uk self—sufficient in its blood supplies. to then carry on administering those blood products and not recalling them, they played russian roulette with people's lives. they all know who they are and i'm sure the inquiry team will know who they are, as well. time will tell. some _ know who they are, as well. time will tell. some politicians - know who they are, as well. time will tell. some politicians appeared before here, as well.— before here, as well. absolutely. the all before here, as well. absolutely. they all know _ before here, as well. absolutely. they all know who _ before here, as well. absolutely. they all know who they _ before here, as well. absolutely. they all know who they are. - before here, as well. absolutely. they all know who they are. this| before here, as well. absolutely. i they all know who they are. this is a time of reckoning. itjust shows

that human life is more important than any amount of money and that needs to be the first and foremost decision and anything, and that is in any walk of life, whether in a large organisation, but you have to accept that example. they have to set the precedent and they have to set the precedent and they have to set the precedent and they have to set the standards for everyone to live their lives by, if they don't —— if they don't set that example for us what we all here for? is -- if they don't set that example for us what we all here for? is this a day closure _ for us what we all here for? is this a day closure for _ for us what we all here for? is this a day closure for you? _ for us what we all here for? is this a day closure for you? i _ for us what we all here for? is this a day closure for you? i really - a day closure for you? i really don't know _ a day closure for you? i really don't know. i'm _ a day closure for you? i really don't know. i'm overwhelmed a day closure for you? i really - don't know. i'm overwhelmed with all sorts of emotions. i feel my mother close to me, ifeel sorts of emotions. i feel my mother close to me, i feel her warmth, sorts of emotions. i feel my mother close to me, ifeel her warmth, her strength to stand here. i don't know what closure looks like. it is a long way off. my mum was infected and i was powerless to help her. i

was a trained soldier, trained to kill, i've been to war and i have just been left, not acknowledged to this point. i havejust had to muddle my way to life as best i can and i'm proud of what i've done, but it has changed me forever. it changed me in some good ways and in other ways i don't recognise myself sometimes. it has impacted my career, my friendships. my ability to make decisions and to trust, so closure for me is a long way off and i don't know what it looks like. i’m i don't know what it looks like. i'm sure our i don't know what it looks like. i'm sure your mum will be looking down on you incredibly proud of what you done, fighting for her calls. let's take a life to another news conference, the different campaign groups who are reacting to the report today. it

groups who are reacting to the report today-— report today. it is all very concerning, _ report today. it is all very concerning, but _ report today. it is all very concerning, but it - report today. it is all very concerning, but it isn't i report today. it is all very - concerning, but it isn't anything we didnt— concerning, but it isn't anything we didn't already know. we knew that the patients were treated without consent _ the patients were treated without consent and it is very worrying that governmentjust consent and it is very worrying that government just accepted that and there _ government just accepted that and there was— government just accepted that and there was no candour, there was no truthfulness — there was no candour, there was no truthfulness and that line was taken and that— truthfulness and that line was taken and that continued. its a truthfulness and that line was taken and that continued. as a transfusion victim, i scanned _ and that continued. as a transfusion victim, i scanned it _ and that continued. as a transfusion victim, i scanned it quickly - and that continued. as a transfusion victim, i scanned it quickly but - and that continued. as a transfusion victim, i scanned it quickly but in . victim, i scanned it quickly but in the first— victim, i scanned it quickly but in the first couple _ victim, i scanned it quickly but in the first couple of— victim, i scanned it quickly but in the first couple of pages - victim, i scanned it quickly but in the first couple of pages in- the first couple of pages in black—and—white, - the first couple of pages in black—and—white, in- the first couple of pages in black—and—white, in 1965. the first couple of pages in- black—and—white, in 1965 germany the first couple of pages in— black—and—white, in 1965 germany was looking _ black—and—white, in 1965 germany was looking at— black—and—white, in 1965 germany was looking at their — black—and—white, in 1965 germany was looking at their blood _ black—and—white, in 1965 germany was looking at their blood donations - black—and—white, in 1965 germany was looking at their blood donations for- looking at their blood donations for a aal_ looking at their blood donations for 6 am t_ looking at their blood donations for 6 am t levels. _ looking at their blood donations for a aal t levels, that _ looking at their blood donations for a aal t levels, that was _ looking at their blood donations for a aal t levels, that was in - looking at their blood donations for a aal t levels, that was in 1965. i looking at their blood donations for a aal t levels, that was in 1965. |f| a aal t levels, that was in 1965. if our government _ a aal t levels, that was in 1965. if our government had _ a aal t levels, that was in 1965. if our government had taken- a aal t levels, that was in 1965. if our government had taken that. a aal t levels, that was in 1965. if our government had taken that on| our government had taken that on anybody— our government had taken that on anybody had — our government had taken that on anybody had donated _ our government had taken that on anybody had donated with - our government had taken that on anybody had donated with raised i our government had taken that on| anybody had donated with raised a our government had taken that on i anybody had donated with raised a lt and they— anybody had donated with raised a lt and they had — anybody had donated with raised a lt and they had taken— anybody had donated with raised a lt and they had taken those _ anybody had donated with raised a lt and they had taken those out - anybody had donated with raised a lt and they had taken those out of- anybody had donated with raised a lt and they had taken those out of the i and they had taken those out of the donation _ and they had taken those out of the donation line then that would - and they had taken those out of the donation line then that would be . and they had taken those out of the donation line then that would be a i donation line then that would be a lot fewer—

donation line then that would be a lot fewer transfusion— donation line then that would be a lot fewer transfusion victims - lot fewer transfusion victims nowadays _ lot fewer transfusion victims nowadays it _ lot fewer transfusion victims nowadays. it vindicates - lot fewer transfusion victims nowadays. it vindicates myi nowadays. it vindicates my impression _ nowadays. it vindicates my impression that— nowadays. it vindicates my impression that the - nowadays. it vindicates my. impression that the knowledge nowadays. it vindicates my- impression that the knowledge was out there. — impression that the knowledge was out there. our— impression that the knowledge was out there, our government - impression that the knowledge was out there, our government ignored| out there, our government ignored it, out there, our government ignored it. couldh't— out there, our government ignored it. couldn't be _ out there, our government ignored it, couldn't be bothered _ out there, our government ignored it, couldn't be bothered with- out there, our government ignored it, couldn't be bothered with that, i it, couldn't be bothered with that, find it— it, couldn't be bothered with that, find it was— it, couldn't be bothered with that, find it was going _ it, couldn't be bothered with that, find it was going to _ it, couldn't be bothered with that, find it was going to be _ it, couldn't be bothered with that, find it was going to be too- find it was going to be too expensive, _ find it was going to be too expensive, i— find it was going to be too expensive, i don't - find it was going to be too. expensive, i don't know what find it was going to be too- expensive, i don't know what their expensive, idon't know what their excuses— expensive, idon't know what their excuses out— expensive, i don't know what their excuses out that _ expensive, i don't know what their excuses out that this _ expensive, i don't know what their excuses out that this blatantly - expensive, i don't know what theirl excuses out that this blatantly says in black—and—white _ excuses out that this blatantly says in black—and—white that _ excuses out that this blatantly says in black—and—white that they- excuses out that this blatantly says in black—and—white that they have i excuses out that this blatantly says l in black—and—white that they have no excuses. _ in black—and—white that they have no excuses. that — in black—and—white that they have no excuses, that every _ in black—and—white that they have no excuses, that every person _ in black—and—white that they have no excuses, that every person who - in black—and—white that they have no excuses, that every person who died | excuses, that every person who died from those _ excuses, that every person who died from those times _ excuses, that every person who died from those times on _ excuses, that every person who died from those times on could _ excuses, that every person who died from those times on could have - excuses, that every person who died | from those times on could have been saved _ from those times on could have been saved if— from those times on could have been saved if they— from those times on could have been saved if they had _ from those times on could have been saved if they had looked _ from those times on could have been saved if they had looked at _ from those times on could have been saved if they had looked at the - saved if they had looked at the risks— saved if they had looked at the risks and — saved if they had looked at the risks and put— saved if they had looked at the risks and put things _ saved if they had looked at the risks and put things in - saved if they had looked at the risks and put things in place, l saved if they had looked at thel risks and put things in place, so i'm risks and put things in place, so i'm really— risks and put things in place, so i'm really pleased _ risks and put things in place, so i'm really pleased that - risks and put things in place, so i'm really pleased that it - risks and put things in place, so i'm really pleased that it is - risks and put things in place, so i'm really pleased that it is outl i'm really pleased that it is out there _ i'm really pleased that it is out there now. _ i'm really pleased that it is out there now, nobody— i'm really pleased that it is out there now, nobody can - i'm really pleased that it is out there now, nobody can can - i'm really pleased that it is outj there now, nobody can can call i'm really pleased that it is out. there now, nobody can can call us conspiracy— there now, nobody can can call us conspiracy theorists, _ there now, nobody can can call us conspiracy theorists, r—truth - there now, nobody can can call us conspiracy theorists, r—truth has| conspiracy theorists, r—truth has been _ conspiracy theorists, r—truth has been told. — conspiracy theorists, r—truth has been told. it— conspiracy theorists, r—truth has been told, it is _ conspiracy theorists, r—truth has been told, it is in— conspiracy theorists, r—truth has i been told, it is in black—and—white and they— been told, it is in black—and—white and they have _ been told, it is in black—and—white and they have no _ been told, it is in black—and—white and they have no place _ been told, it is in black—and—white and they have no place to - been told, it is in black—and—white and they have no place to hide. i been told, it is in black—and—whitel and they have no place to hide. any government— and they have no place to hide. any government over— and they have no place to hide. any government over the _ and they have no place to hide. any government over the last _ and they have no place to hide. any government over the last 30 - and they have no place to hide. any government over the last 30 or- and they have no place to hide. any government over the last 30 or 40 i government over the last 30 or 40 years— government over the last 30 or 40 years needs — government over the last 30 or 40 years needs to— government over the last 30 or 40 years needs to be _ government over the last 30 or 40 years needs to be held _ government over the last 30 or 40 years needs to be held to- government over the last 30 or 40 years needs to be held to account. j government over the last 30 or 40 i years needs to be held to account. i am years needs to be held to account. am chair of haemophilia northern ireland. i represent a small community in northern ireland. i lost my twin on christmas day, i

lost my twin on christmas day, i lost two cousins within the last ten years, to france within the past two months. we have suffered in northern ireland and the production of this report as it now comes has been both healing and supportive. it recognises the injustices that have taken place, gives us an opportunity to address some of those and try to apply some of the positives that we will find on this, but with seven volumes and only having received two and an opportunity to tease through the remaining five volumes on my phone, it has been hard to find the answers for you at this stage. interestingly, the government have recognised this because of the statement today from the prime minister and minister glen's statements, compensation will be paid. that is not an answer to the problems we have, nor a solution,

but it will help. the other aspect that has come out of this from me is that has come out of this from me is that while i feel a cascade of emotions, positive and negative, it indicates quite clearly that the government are culpable, successive governments are culpable of neglect, of abandonment and that unfortunately has been a culture which has also been adopted within the health service. a look at northern ireland's report specifically as i could see from that that it was evident that they followed suit from the leadership that was given in the uk mainland. i think all regional health departments date. our government in northern ireland was highlighted as having two problems and that is why i couldn't deal with the issues. on most security, because there was a big commitments on security, and the other issue was that we haven't had

consisting government over a practical period of time. the assembly has risen fallen and risen and fallen. what they need to understand is they have to show leadership and all the regions. the one thing that seems to have been abandoned here is that that leadership and determination to identify the specific issues that impact on their communities have not taken place, so a culture change is required. candour is required and transparency, which will involve and engage the patients. i hope from this report other victim groups will be able to identify what must not happen to them and the lessons that are provided in this report will be listened to and learn by government, civil servants and the national health service. i civil servants and the national health service.— civil servants and the national health service. . . . , health service. i am joyce donnelly and i represent _ health service. i am joyce donnelly and i represent the _ health service. i am joyce donnelly and i represent the scottish - and i represent the scottish infected blood forum. when this

inquiry— infected blood forum. when this inquiry started i had every faith in sir brian— inquiry started i had every faith in sir brian and his team and he has lived _ sir brian and his team and he has lived up _ sir brian and his team and he has lived up more than i could have expected — lived up more than i could have expected. i haven't had that much time _ expected. i haven't had that much time to— expected. i haven't had that much time to look at the report but what i time to look at the report but what i have _ time to look at the report but what i have seen. — time to look at the report but what i have seen, i was particularly interested in the chapter on scotland and the recommendations that were _ scotland and the recommendations that were made in scotland that were made _ that were made in scotland that were made 20 _ that were made in scotland that were made 20 years ago by lord ross were never— made 20 years ago by lord ross were never carried — made 20 years ago by lord ross were never carried through. one can only hope _ never carried through. one can only hope that— never carried through. one can only hope that these recommendations, and i hope that these recommendations, and i don't _ hope that these recommendations, and i don't see _ hope that these recommendations, and i don't see how they could refute it, i don't see how they could refute it. how _ i don't see how they could refute it, how could they possibly refute these _ it, how could they possibly refute these recommendations, they stand up everything _ these recommendations, they stand up everything that sir brian has put down _ everything that sir brian has put down stands up and has been clarified — down stands up and has been clarified and proved to be a fit —— proved _ clarified and proved to be a fit —— proved to — clarified and proved to be a fit —— proved to be correct. these recommendations and hopes will be carried _ recommendations and hopes will be carried through to the letter and people _ carried through to the letter and people will receive what they should have received 20 years ago, 30 years a-o. have received 20 years ago, 30 years ago my— have received 20 years ago, 30 years ago my late — have received 20 years ago, 30 years ago. my late husband have this mantra — ago. my late husband have this mantra in— ago. my late husband have this mantra in his life he wouldn't apply

for skipton— mantra in his life he wouldn't apply for skipton or anything else, he said the — for skipton or anything else, he said the government know what they have done, _ said the government know what they have done, they know who they have done it too _ have done, they know who they have done it too and it is up to the government to put it right and if the government cannot put it right, then a _ the government cannot put it right, then a lot _ the government cannot put it right, then a lot of people have missed out, a _ then a lot of people have missed out, a lot— then a lot of people have missed out, a lot of people have passed on and died _ out, a lot of people have passed on and died in — out, a lot of people have passed on and died in the interim, but there are still— and died in the interim, but there are still people who are waiting for it to be _ are still people who are waiting for it to be put — are still people who are waiting for it to be put right, and that is my hope _ it to be put right, and that is my hope for— it to be put right, and that is my hope for the future. | it to be put right, and that is my hope for the future.— hope for the future. i have a question. — hope for the future. i have a question, please. _ hope for the future. i have a question, please. there - hope for the future. i have a question, please. there is. hope for the future. i have a question, please. there is a| hope for the future. i have a i question, please. there is a lot of criticism in this report of professor bloom, who led the cardiff haemophilia centre. can i get your reaction to those findings? brute haemophilia centre. can i get your reaction to those findings? we have sort of knowing _ reaction to those findings? we have sort of knowing the _ reaction to those findings? we have sort of knowing the truth _ reaction to those findings? we have sort of knowing the truth for - reaction to those findings? we have sort of knowing the truth for a i reaction to those findings? we have sort of knowing the truth for a long | sort of knowing the truth for a long time. a lot of it has been uncovered by the campaigners, but obviously the inquiry has put all this on public record. the feeling of the group is it is still very much disbelief that it is now in black—and—white, but it needed to be

put on public record that these things had happened. there was testing without consent on children and previously untreated patients were given concentrates when they shouldn't have been, and that —— that led to many more cases of infection than needed to be. it is very upsetting for people because many of the facts we have known for a long time, but the states in black—and—white is particularly hard for our group to come to terms with. can you give me a sense of how victims and families will be feeling reading the reports, and is this the moment that you and they were hoping for, and if there is anything else you might be looking for going forward, for example, criminal

charges? figs forward, for example, criminal charaes? r ., forward, for example, criminal charaes? . , . . , forward, for example, criminal charaes? a . . , ., charges? as regard victims and families, charges? as regard victims and families. we — charges? as regard victims and families, we have _ charges? as regard victims and families, we have had - charges? as regard victims and families, we have had limited i families, we have had limited viewing of the report because we have been on a coach for four hours, so it has been very difficult. i suppose they now feel that they are believed because it is something that people have been saying for so many years, and that in the large part is how we got the public inquiry. it is all the campaigning done by people before us who are no longer here, so we felt it was our duty to carry on the campaign because we knew the truth. we have had a lot more revealed by the inquiry. there is a feeling of closure. the difficulty is that nobody can bring back the people who have been lost, and that is the heartbreaking thing about it. when people are now learning that this could have been avoided when we have always been told it was unavoidable

that troubles people immensely. i think our other issue is because there is no trust in government, even though we know that rishi sunak will apologise this afternoon and an announcement tomorrow, once the announcement tomorrow, once the announcement comes tomorrow on compensation, we don't know the details of that and we have great concerns about that because it will be an arms length body that the government with will have set up all the rules and regulations, regarding eligibility criteria and appeals, and i think the difficulty now is sir brian's recommendations may be overruled by government or ignored and that is a real worry for people, that we may still have to keep fighting after 40 years of fighting. so many people have lost their lives yet we still have to continue. i think people are reticent because they have seen what had happened

previously with governments, with the way that the history has been rewritten, that nothing had happened that shouldn't have happened, so i feel that the apology is important that the next stage of our compensation, that is bothering a lot of people, because they feel they want recognition. the government _ they want recognition. the government have - they want recognition. the government have invested taxpayers money _ government have invested taxpayers money to _ government have invested taxpayers money to the tune of 135 million in this public— money to the tune of 135 million in this public inquiry, which has been going _ this public inquiry, which has been going on— this public inquiry, which has been going on since 2017 up to today. quite _ going on since 2017 up to today. quite clearly that investment from our perspective hasn't been foolishly spent, but in order to ensure — foolishly spent, but in order to ensure and reassure our community there _ ensure and reassure our community there needs _ ensure and reassure our community there needs to be more thanjust words _ there needs to be more thanjust words from the government and not looking _ words from the government and not looking unfairly towards them, at choreography towards an election, so

from our— choreography towards an election, so from our perspective, the opportunity to continue this process to its— opportunity to continue this process to its proper conclusion is the advancement of the principles and the objectives and the recommendations of this report. that will only— recommendations of this report. that will only be _ recommendations of this report. that will only be borne out by the positive _ will only be borne out by the positive position that the government takes and filling those words _ government takes and filling those words with some positive action. the mantra that — words with some positive action. the mantra that the government used to trotskyites _ mantra that the government used to trotskyites about _ mantra that the government used to trotskyites about how _ mantra that the government used to trotskyites about how they - mantra that the government used to trotskyites about how they receivedl trotskyites about how they received the best— trotskyites about how they received the best possible _ trotskyites about how they received the best possible treatment- trotskyites about how they received the best possible treatment at i trotskyites about how they received the best possible treatment at the i the best possible treatment at the time has _ the best possible treatment at the time has proved _ the best possible treatment at the time has proved to _ the best possible treatment at the time has proved to be _ the best possible treatment at the time has proved to be alive. - the best possible treatment at the time has proved to be alive. theyl time has proved to be alive. they can't _ time has proved to be alive. they can't say— time has proved to be alive. they can't say that _ time has proved to be alive. they can't say that any— time has proved to be alive. they can't say that any more, - time has proved to be alive. they can't say that any more, they i time has proved to be alive. they. can't say that any more, they didn't receive _ can't say that any more, they didn't receive the — can't say that any more, they didn't receive the best _ can't say that any more, they didn't receive the best possible _ can't say that any more, they didn'tj receive the best possible treatment available _ receive the best possible treatment available and — receive the best possible treatment available and they— receive the best possible treatment available and they died _ receive the best possible treatment available and they died because i receive the best possible treatment available and they died because it. i available and they died because it. and compensation— available and they died because it. and compensation isn't— available and they died because it. and compensation isn't the - available and they died because it. and compensation isn't the be i available and they died because it. and compensation isn't the be all. and compensation isn't the be all and end all. in fact are still struggling to get six monthly scans, treatment. the government and the nhs should have a duty of care towards us. they infected us, given

us death sentences, we shouldn't have to be up for scans. there should be best practised throughout the country, not a lottery of what hospital you go to. until that is put in place for the infected, and hopefully if it is put in place and may prevent some early deaths, then money is nothing and talk is nothing. we need to have that input as well, the medical input.— as well, the medical input. another ke oint as well, the medical input. another key point moving — as well, the medical input. another key point moving forward _ as well, the medical input. another key point moving forward as - key point moving forward as education of the medical profession because people haven't been informed about it. it hasn't been part of the medical training and that has caused huge problems for a community because the average medic does not understand what happened to them. i think all of that needs to be put on and implemented.—

and implemented. going forward, eo - le