turbulence sent 3 singapore airlines flight plummeting 6,000 feet without warning. one man died and 30 others were injured. so, what went wrong?

could climate change mean we'll see more of these events? we'll be joined be a scientist who has spent a decade researching just that, and also, the head of the airline pilots�* union balpa. this is paula vennells, who is at the heart of the post office scandal. she finally gives evidence tomorrow. we'll be asking lord lord arbuthnot — who played a pivotal role in the postmasters�* campaign — what he wants to hear from the woman who was in charge. also tonight... will tomorrow's inflation figures give the government a boost, or are cost—of—living concerns so endemic, will it even register? 0ur economic experts will give you the answer. and tomorrow, the mp craig mackinlay returns to westminster, after revealing the extent of what he describes as "extreme surgery" after sepsis. there was discussions happening

about these arms, and legs. because by then, they had turned black. they were like a plastic. you could almost knock them. and it was like... it was like a... like your mobile phone plastic. tonight, 0livia giles — who also had her hands and feet removed because of sepsis — tells us how she's recovered. and dr ron daniels. the chief executive of the sepsis trust. he tells us what signs to look out for. good evening. singapore airlines flight 50321 — headed from london to singapore — did not go according to plan, when the plane was hit by severe turbulence over myanmar and dropped dramatically and unexpectedly. 0ne passenger died of a heart attack. geoffrey kitchen was 73. seven more passengers are critically injured, 23 more have suffered less severe injuries. severe turbulence can be forecast, but another form, clear air turbulence, is harder to detect, and so can be unpredictable.

the bbc�*s south east asia correspondent, jonathan head, spent today at bangkok airport. jonathan, thank you very much for joining us tonight. tell me, what have passengers been saying to you about what happened to them? well. about what happened to them? well, the have about what happened to them? well, they have described _ about what happened to them? -m they have described what was a smooth and uneventful flight. they have described what was a smooth and uneventfulflight. it they have described what was a smooth and uneventful flight. it was towards the last stage of this flight, usually about 12 hours, i have done it many times myself on singapore airlines from london to singapore. those last two hours before they descend to singapore as they go over myanmar and thailand which is about the time they serve breakfast after a night's flight. a lot of people had got up to use the bathroom after waking up and it was then that some say the seat belt light went on and there was a little bit of turbulence and then suddenly, this incredible drop. and absolute chaos. people covered in other people's breakfast and coffee. a lot of the oxygen masks came down. all sorts of other debris was thrown

around. people described seeing items just floating up around. people described seeing itemsjust floating up in around. people described seeing items just floating up in the air. and of course, people who were not secured by seat belts smashed up into the air as well. it didn't last very long despite that dramatic 6,000 foot drop, just a few seconds. and then after that, they say a very strange calm as people sort ofjust dealt with the shock of what had happened. it came completely out of the blue. 50 happened. it came completely out of the blue. ., , .,, i. happened. it came completely out of the blue. ., , ., the blue. so of the people you have soken to the blue. so of the people you have spoken to today. — the blue. so of the people you have spoken to today, you _ the blue. so of the people you have spoken to today, you have - the blue. so of the people you have spoken to today, you have spoken i the blue. so of the people you havel spoken to today, you have spoken to some of the injured and do you get a sense of the impact they were faced with? we know there were dense in overhead cabins. the impact must have been severe. == overhead cabins. the impact must have been severe.— have been severe. -- dents. for those who _ have been severe. -- dents. for those who are _ have been severe. -- dents. for those who are not _ have been severe. -- dents. for those who are not secured - have been severe. -- dents. for those who are not secured me i have been severe. -- dents. for. those who are not secured me yes. most of the injuries are relatively minor, but there are people the fractures, severe bruising, a lot of cuts. some of the cabin crew trying to help passengers had their own faces covered in blood because of cuts because they tend to be moving around the cabin at that time. we don't know the exact injuries of

those having to remain in hospital, but there are a number of people who will remain there for some days while their injuries are treated here in thailand. find while their injuries are treated here in thailand.— while their injuries are treated here in thailand. and there was a sad death of— here in thailand. and there was a sad death of course, _ here in thailand. and there was a sad death of course, but - here in thailand. and there was a sad death of course, but the - sad death of course, but the passengers who are not severely injured, are they returning home going on, what has been happening? well, they have sent a plane here to bangkok airport to pick up those on injured passengers who remain on the flight side of the airport in the day —— those passengers who are not injured. they arrived in singapore injured. they arrived in singapore in the last few minutes. speaking to passengers today who are on much longer flights, passengers today who are on much longerflights, one family passengers today who are on much longer flights, one family going to australia for a wedding, they say they don't want to go on and they cannot face a succession of fights and just want to get back home again. i suspect the some of those who have been injured or who are deeply shaken by what happened, they might want to cut their flying short. it has been a really shocking end to a flight and i think it is an awful lot for people to process.

these flights feel very safe. singapore airlines is a very reputable airline and normally, the flights are enjoyable and nothing usually goes wrong. something like this seems to be completely unpredictable.— this seems to be completely unpredictable. this seems to be completely unredictable. , ., . ., ., ~ , ., unpredictable. jonathan, thank you very much- — unpredictable. jonathan, thank you very much- we _ unpredictable. jonathan, thank you very much. we will _ unpredictable. jonathan, thank you very much. we will talk _ unpredictable. jonathan, thank you very much. we will talk now- unpredictable. jonathan, thank you very much. we will talk now that i very much. we will talk now that unpredictability. —— talk now about. joining me now in the studio, amy leversidge — general secretary at the british airline pilots' association, who represent 85% of britain's airline pilots, and paul williams, professor of atmospheric science at reading university. a scientist who has spent a long time looking at the questions about turbulence. first, amy. how much of an issue is this kind of turbulence for a pilot?— for a pilot? well, first, we would like to express _ for a pilot? well, first, we would like to express our _ for a pilot? well, first, we would like to express our sincere - like to express our sincere condolences for everyone who has been affected by the terrible tragedy today. and turbulence is quite common, probably most of us will have experienced turbulence. but that is very slight turbulence. this kind of severe turbulence as

seen on this incident is very, very rare. pilots are highly trained. extensively trained. they do lots of simulated training to try and deal with these types of situations and they have got lots of on—board monitoring equipment to try and prevent this and avoid it. but toda , prevent this and avoid it. but today. that — prevent this and avoid it. but today, that didn't happen. last night, overnight, ishould today, that didn't happen. last night, overnight, i should say. today, that didn't happen. last night, overnight, ishould say. and i wonder if from your point of view as a scientist, something is going on here, what kind of turbulence is this? i on here, what kind of turbulence is this? ., , ., , , on here, what kind of turbulence is this? ., , , ., ., this? i would emphasise again the rari of this? i would emphasise again the rarity of this. _ this? i would emphasise again the rarity of this, fatalities _ this? i would emphasise again the rarity of this, fatalities from - rarity of this, fatalities from turbulence are really rare. the last one i_ turbulence are really rare. the last one i know — turbulence are really rare. the last one i know of before today happen in 2009 _ one i know of before today happen in 2009 and _ one i know of before today happen in 2009 and before that in 1987, so it is not _ 2009 and before that in 1987, so it is not even — 2009 and before that in 1987, so it is not even a one senior event. it is not even a one senior event. it is more _ is not even a one senior event. it is more like _ is not even a one senior event. it is more like once in a decade. that is more like once in a decade. that is because — is more like once in a decade. that is because there is not much severe turbulence — is because there is not much severe turbulence in the atmosphere. turbulence strong enough to lift you ”p turbulence strong enough to lift you up out _ turbulence strong enough to lift you up out of _ turbulence strong enough to lift you up out of your seat if you don't have _ up out of your seat if you don't have a — up out of your seat if you don't have a seat _ up out of your seat if you don't have a seat belt on is astonishingly rare, _ have a seat belt on is astonishingly rare. iess — have a seat belt on is astonishingly rare, less than one tenth of 1% of

the atmosphere contains that much turbulence. but take into account all of _ turbulence. but take into account all of the — turbulence. but take into account all of the planes flying in the sky is it any— all of the planes flying in the sky is it any given time and one accidentally will find it at some point — accidentally will find it at some oint. ., ._ accidentally will find it at some oint. ., , ., accidentally will find it at some oint. ., , , point. you say it is rare, but is there any _ point. you say it is rare, but is there any evidence _ point. you say it is rare, but is there any evidence it - point. you say it is rare, but is there any evidence it is - point. you say it is rare, but is i there any evidence it is becoming slightly more common?— slightly more common? there certainly is- — slightly more common? there certainly is. i— slightly more common? there certainly is. i have _ slightly more common? there certainly is. i have been - slightly more common? there i certainly is. i have been studying turbulence — certainly is. i have been studying turbulence for 20 years and how to forecast _ turbulence for 20 years and how to forecast it — turbulence for 20 years and how to forecast it and the response to climate — forecast it and the response to climate change has been a particular focus _ climate change has been a particular focus for— climate change has been a particular focus for the past decade. and in that time, — focus for the past decade. and in that time, we have built up a lot of evidence _ that time, we have built up a lot of evidence that for example tim macrow since satellites began observing the 'et since satellites began observing the jet stream where there is a lot of turbulence — jet stream where there is a lot of turbulence in 1979, the amount of wind _ turbulence in1979, the amount of wind shear— turbulence in 1979, the amount of wind shear in the jet stream where there _ wind shear in the jet stream where there is— wind shear in the jet stream where there is a — wind shear in the jet stream where there is a lot of turbulence in 1979, — there is a lot of turbulence in 1979, the _ there is a lot of turbulence in 1979, the amount of wind shear in the jet _ 1979, the amount of wind shear in the jet stream has increased because of climate _ the jet stream has increased because of climate change turbulence is increased — of climate change turbulence is increased by 55%. that is a lot. and increased by 55%. that is a lot. and in future, _ increased by 55%. that is a lot. and in future, we — increased by 55%. that is a lot. and in future, we might see a doubling or trebling — in future, we might see a doubling or trebling in some parts of the world _ or trebling in some parts of the world in— or trebling in some parts of the world in the amount of severe turbulence by 2060 because of climate — turbulence by 2060 because of climate change.— climate change. that is so interesting _ climate change. that is so interesting because - climate change. that is so interesting because you i climate change. that is so l interesting because you talk climate change. that is so - interesting because you talk about pilots, but i wonder if that level and that increase will actually

impact the design of planes? well, lanes are impact the design of planes? well, planes are highly — impact the design of planes? in planes are highly designed to fly through these kind of weather conditions. planes are designed to deal with this. and pilots of course continually train and continually learnt. �* ., , . ~' continually train and continually learnt. ., , ., ,, , learnt. but do they talk, is there chatter among — learnt. but do they talk, is there chatter among pilots? _ learnt. but do they talk, is there i chatter among pilots? absolutely, ilots work chatter among pilots? absolutely, pilots work as _ chatter among pilots? absolutely, pilots work as a _ chatter among pilots? absolutely, pilots work as a team _ chatter among pilots? absolutely, pilots work as a team the - chatter among pilots? absolutely, pilots work as a team the entire i pilots work as a team the entire flight. you will always have two pilots. flight. you will always have two ilots. ., ., , ., pilots. no, i mean in the pilot world, pilots. no, i mean in the pilot world. is— pilots. no, i mean in the pilot world, is there _ pilots. no, i mean in the pilot world, is there chatter - pilots. no, i mean in the pilot world, is there chatter and . pilots. no, i mean in the pilot| world, is there chatter and has there been chatter today about this incident? , , ., , , incident? oh, yes, absolutely. pilots have _ incident? oh, yes, absolutely. pilots have a _ incident? oh, yes, absolutely. pilots have a very, _ incident? oh, yes, absolutely. pilots have a very, very - incident? oh, yes, absolutely. pilots have a very, very strong j pilots have a very, very strong community. we have a strong community. we have a strong community throughout balpa and indeed, throughout the international pilots unions we'll work together and talk and share experience. pilots do this on a day—to—day basis, they work a team. but pilots do this on a day-to-day basis, they work a team. but when ou hear basis, they work a team. but when you hear what _ basis, they work a team. but when you hear what paul _ basis, they work a team. but when you hear what paul is _ basis, they work a team. but when you hear what paul is saying - basis, they work a team. but when you hear what paul is saying here i you hear what paul is saying here about climate change impacting how

much turbulence there is, that is going to make a measurable difference. —— they work as a team. not only to training, but other aspects of flying. for example, now on a flight can make you a much less inclined after today actually to release your seat belt, for example. this is what the pilot always says when you get on the plane. make sure even when the seat belt light is turned off, keep your seat belt buckled and they always say that and try to limit how much time you spend walking around the cabin because of incidents like this. as much as they try, they have their monitoring and they are talking all the time, they are broadcasting to air traffic control and other planes in the area and they are constantly on the radios and constantly communicating, but they do say that things happen and they happen quite quickly and the best way to do that is to keep your seat belt on. but the best way to do that is to keep your seat belt on.— your seat belt on. but i think now because of— your seat belt on. but i think now because of this, _ your seat belt on. but i think now because of this, there _ your seat belt on. but i think now because of this, there is - your seat belt on. but i think now because of this, there is going i your seat belt on. but i think now because of this, there is going to | because of this, there is going to because of this, there is going to be more conversation now about what

happens on board. if it is unpredictable and if it becomes increasingly unpredictable and increasingly unpredictable and increasingly common as well as unpredictable, those two things are going to change what people feel about flying. going to change what people feel about flying-— going to change what people feel about flying. potentially. i mean, it is unpredictable _ about flying. potentially. i mean, it is unpredictable to _ about flying. potentially. i mean, it is unpredictable to an - about flying. potentially. i mean, it is unpredictable to an extent, l it is unpredictable to an extent, although— it is unpredictable to an extent, although we do have focus of it. there _ although we do have focus of it. there were _ although we do have focus of it. there were thunderstorms in the area, but maybe there is nothing to do with it. , ., , ,, area, but maybe there is nothing to do with it. , ., , i. ., �* do with it. thunderstorms, you don't want to fly anywhere _ do with it. thunderstorms, you don't want to fly anywhere near _ do with it. thunderstorms, you don't want to fly anywhere near a - want to fly anywhere near a thunderstorm so thunderstorms do because _ thunderstorm so thunderstorms do because bumpy flights. but they can because bumpy flights. but they can be focused and even clear air turbulence is forecast to build, about— turbulence is forecast to build, about 75% of it can be accurately forecast — about 75% of it can be accurately forecast 18 hours ahead, but it is that missing percent that we need to focus _ that missing percent that we need to focus on _ that missing percent that we need to focus on that we cannot forecast. this is— focus on that we cannot forecast. this is presumably part of your research as it becomes more common, we need to identify that 25% that is missing. so what do you do? i wouldn't understand technically what you are doing, are you focusing on this 25%? you are doing, are you focusing on this 2596? , . ,., ., ., ,

this 2596? very much so and in many wa s, it is this 2596? very much so and in many ways. it is my _ this 2596? very much so and in many ways, it is my career's _ this 2596? very much so and in many ways, it is my career's goal- this 2596? very much so and in many ways, it is my career's goal to - this 2596? very much so and in many ways, it is my career's goal to put i ways, it is my career's goal to put this final— ways, it is my career's goal to put this final 25% in the bin and to consign — this final 25% in the bin and to consign it— this final 25% in the bin and to consign it to the history been so that no— consign it to the history been so that no aircraft ever has to encounter turbulence again. it is a really— encounter turbulence again. it is a really challenging problem. turbulence is the hardest problem in physics _ turbulence is the hardest problem in physics and — turbulence is the hardest problem in physics and physics itself is very hard. _ physics and physics itself is very hard. even _ physics and physics itself is very hard, even the non—turbulence part, so it is— hard, even the non—turbulence part, so it is really— hard, even the non—turbulence part, so it is really challenging. we are working _ so it is really challenging. we are working very hard with the right targeted — working very hard with the right targeted research into what actually is generating the turbulence, what are the _ is generating the turbulence, what are the mechanisms and the dynamics? ithink— are the mechanisms and the dynamics? i think we _ are the mechanisms and the dynamics? ithinkwe can— are the mechanisms and the dynamics? i think we can do it. but we need that investment, that scientific research — that investment, that scientific research to happen first and it will take a _ research to happen first and it will take a long — research to happen first and it will take a long time, it won't happen overnight — take a long time, it won't happen overnight. but take a long time, it won't happen overniaht. �* ., , ., take a long time, it won't happen overniaht. �* ., i. , , overnight. but do you get the sense the airlines and _ overnight. but do you get the sense the airlines and manufacturers - overnight. but do you get the sense the airlines and manufacturers are l the airlines and manufacturers are as concerned about this as you as a scientist? . , scientist? certainly the manufacturers, - scientist? certainly the manufacturers, yes. i. scientist? certainly the i manufacturers, yes. i think scientist? certainly the - manufacturers, yes. i think the airlines— manufacturers, yes. i think the airlines are _ manufacturers, yes. i think the airlines are more focused on remaining profitable in the current tax year _ remaining profitable in the current tax year. they have financial pressures. but for the aircraft manufacturers in contrast, i mean, they are _ manufacturers in contrast, i mean, they are today designing the aircraft — they are today designing the aircraft that will be flying in a

few decades' time. that is the life-cycle _ few decades' time. that is the life—cycle of an air carrier, it is measured _ life—cycle of an air carrier, it is measured in— life—cycle of an air carrier, it is measured in decades from design to retirement— measured in decades from design to retirement from service. so they need _ retirement from service. so they need to— retirement from service. so they need to build into design parameters for today— need to build into design parameters for today turbulence of the future. and i_ for today turbulence of the future. and i am _ for today turbulence of the future. and i am in— for today turbulence of the future. and i am in touch with them and they are doing _ and i am in touch with them and they are doing that. and i am in touch with them and they are doing that-— are doing that. thank you both much indeed. —— very much indeed. coming up later in the programme... we'll discuss how to recognise the symptoms of sepsis, after conservative mp craig mackinlay told the story of his battle with this deadly infection, which led to his arms and feet being amputated. tomorrow, the former boss of the post office, paula vennells, is giving evidence at the public inquiry into the horizon it scandal — which was brought to many people's attention in the itv drama mr bates vs the post office. good to see you. thank you very much. oh, just one thing — this, um, horizon business, anything in it? i beg your pardon? horizon. some lurid allegations out there. well, er...

well, after two and a half years of investigations, it is now clear that the horizon system is robust and works as it should. thank you. 0ur political editor nick watt is here. and, nick, more evidence has come to light. i want to come to that in a minute. but how critical a day is this for tomorrow?— but how critical a day is this for tomorrow? , ., , , ., ., , tomorrow? obviously, paula vennells will start giving _ tomorrow? obviously, paula vennells will start giving evidence _ tomorrow? obviously, paula vennells will start giving evidence to _ tomorrow? obviously, paula vennells will start giving evidence to that i will start giving evidence to that post office and a tomorrow and on the eve of that, we have what one former cabinet minister has described as a smoking gun. that is an e—mail that shows over a decade ago, paula vennells knew that there was something wrong with the horizon computer system. and of course, it was glitches in that system that

falsely gave the impression that subpostmasters and sub—postmistresses were pocketing thousands of pounds and many were of course wrongly convicted. so itv news today revealed that ron warmington, one of the second sight investigators, called in by the postmasters to investigate this, made contact with paula vennells in october 2013. made contact with paula vennells in 0ctober2013. he made contact with paula vennells in october 2013. he had a phone call with her and he sent her an e—mail with her and he sent her an e—mail with eight examples of postmasters who sent in mediation applications with evidence they had faced false allegations. this is what he wrote. as promised in today's phone call, eight examples of the incoming applications. i have selected those that are more clearly expressed than most of the others that we have been receiving. so it paula vennells looks at the e—mail. she looks at the eight cases and then later that day at 850, this is an e—mail she sent on the inquiry website to three of her colleagues. —— 8:50am. dear

all, i'm not sure who else i want to read these yet, but certainly the three of you. she said we have to keep it in perspective but even so they are challenging from all kinds of angles. and then she says we need to show we are taking this very seriously. that e—mail is on the inquiry website. a slightly different version was revealed today by itv news and it also released a recording of the conversation that she had with ron warmington. after all that this is what nadhim zahawi the former chancellor told itv news. i think the e—mail and the tape will come to be seen as the smoking gun

thatis come to be seen as the smoking gun that is the cover—up that has taken place at the post office. the reason why he feels so strongly about this as he was a member of the business select committee that heard from paula vennells in 2015 when she said that the post office had found no evidence of any miscarriages of justice. nadhim zahawi played himself in the itv drama and one of the main sub—postmaster is in that drama was lee castleton and he was one of the eight people whose cases were brought to the attention of paula vennells in october 2013. thank you very much. i'm joined now by conservative peer lord arbuthnot who first learned of issues with the horizon system from postmasters in his constituency, including jo hamilton. he's a veteran campaigner on the issue, and is a member of the horizon compensation advisory board. thank you forjoining us. what do you make of this clear 2013 october

e—mail correspondence and then four were said by paula vennells in 2015? it is very striking e—mail. i cannot reconcile her response to that e—mail and her receiving that e—mail with what she said in front of the select committee. i think that is something she will have great difficulty in dealing with. she has three days of evidence coming up and we will see how she does it. i do not understand how she can reconcile them. ~ ., ., ,, not understand how she can reconcile them. ~ ., ., i. ., not understand how she can reconcile them. ~ ., ., ., ., ., ., them. what do you want to hear from paula vennells _ them. what do you want to hear from paula vennells in _ them. what do you want to hear from paula vennells in the _ them. what do you want to hear from paula vennells in the next _ them. what do you want to hear from paula vennells in the next three i paula vennells in the next three days? paula vennells in the next three da s? ., ., , ., ., days? there are lots of individual questions. _ days? there are lots of individual questions, things _ days? there are lots of individual questions, things like _ days? there are lots of individual questions, things like when i days? there are lots of individual questions, things like when did l days? there are lots of individual. questions, things like when did she first know that there was remote access to the sub—postmaster is accounts. so the sub—postmistress did not know what was going on in their own computer systems. so they

could hardly be blamed for false their own computer systems. so they could hardly be blamed forfalse in those accounts. when did she receive the legal opinion or advice which said fujitsu evidence was completely unreliable? find said fujitsu evidence was completely unreliable? �* ., said fujitsu evidence was completely unreliable? . ., , , said fujitsu evidence was completely unreliable? ., , , ., unreliable? and of course they ran the it unreliable? and of course they ran the w system- _ unreliable? and of course they ran the it system. they _ unreliable? and of course they ran the it system. they did. _ unreliable? and of course they ran the it system. they did. why i unreliable? and of course they ran the it system. they did. why did l unreliable? and of course they ran i the it system. they did. why did she send the it system. they did. why did she spend more — the it system. they did. why did she spend more than _ the it system. they did. why did she spend more than £100 _ the it system. they did. why did she spend more than £100 million - the it system. they did. why did she spend more than £100 million on i spend more than £100 million on defending the indefensible in the alan bates litigation and what did she tell the government about all this and what instructions did she receive from the government. those of the kind of individual questions that will come up. but possibly the thing that the sub—postmasters most want to hear having heard so many people saying i do not recall, i do not remember, it was someone else, will she take responsibility for the

awful story that happened in the awful story that happened in the awful things that were done to these sub—postmasters? you awful things that were done to these sub-postmasters?— awful things that were done to these sub-postmasters? you said it will be interviewed in _ sub-postmasters? you said it will be interviewed in the _ sub-postmasters? you said it will be interviewed in the past _ sub-postmasters? you said it will be interviewed in the past on _ sub-postmasters? you said it will be interviewed in the past on the - interviewed in the past on the programme that paula vennells had lied to you. are you hoping for the truth about that as well? that would be nice. truth about that as well? that would be nice- do — truth about that as well? that would be nice- do i — truth about that as well? that would be nice. do i hope _ truth about that as well? that would be nice. do i hope for _ truth about that as well? that would be nice. do i hope for it? _ truth about that as well? that would be nice. do i hope for it? i— truth about that as well? that would be nice. do i hope for it? i would i be nice. do i hope for it? i would like to see it. but i do think that she lied to me. and i think she concealed things from the mps as well of course is from the most important people come at the sub—postmasters. and it is clear that she was aware that there was false evidence given in prosecutions which she never made any attempt to put right. which she never made any attempt to ut riuht. ., . , which she never made any attempt to nutriht. . , ., ., which she never made any attempt to llutl'iht. . , ., put right. specifically what do you know that she _ put right. specifically what do you know that she lied _ put right. specifically what do you know that she lied to _ put right. specifically what do you know that she lied to you - put right. specifically what do you know that she lied to you about? | put right. specifically what do you i know that she lied to you about? she told me know that she lied to you about? sis: told me that the horizon system was robust. she said that the horizon

system had been upheld in every court case where it had been questioned. she said that there were noissues questioned. she said that there were no issues with the horizon system despite the many bugs of which she was aware. and she told me there was no possibility of altering the sub—postmasters accounts without their knowledge. all of those things were untrue and she knew that they were untrue and she knew that they were untrue. i said in a debate in the house of commons that we had had the house of commons that we had had the word of the post office broken two are so many times that it was bewildering. i two are so many times that it was bewildering-— bewildering. i want to finish by askin: bewildering. i want to finish by asking you _ bewildering. i want to finish by asking you that _ bewildering. i want to finish by asking you that yesterday i bewildering. i want to finish byj asking you that yesterday rishi

sunak talked about the shame of the state in terms of the infected blood scandal and i wonder if you think that this is more evidence or another aspect of shame of the state? , . , , another aspect of shame of the state? , ., , , ., , ., state? yes. clearly. this was a government — state? yes. clearly. this was a government organisation i state? yes. clearly. this was a l government organisation owned state? yes. clearly. this was a i government organisation owned by state? yes. clearly. this was a - government organisation owned by the government organisation owned by the government and directed by the government. paula vennells was appointed by the government. and the government let the sub—postmasters be falsely accused and falsely convicted and then did nothing about it. yes, it is a moment of complete shame alongside the blood scandal which is absolutely appalling. lard which is absolutely appalling. lord arbuthnot, thank _ which is absolutely appalling. lord arbuthnot, thank you forjoining us. tomorrow we expect the news that inflation has finally dropped to 2% — the bank of england's target — or at least very close to that figure. add to that the imf�*s upgrading of the uk's growth forecast and a report that food prices have gone off the boil and you might

detect a spring in rishi sunak�*s step. but, the imf has also warned the uk of a £30 billion pound fiscal hole — and that could put the brakes on the chancellor's room for a pre— election tax cutting manoeuvre, or indeed spending increases. nick's still here. what is the significance of this given there is still the issue of cost of living?— given there is still the issue of cost of living? very big for rishi sunak and _ cost of living? very big for rishi sunak and the _ cost of living? very big for rishi sunak and the governor - cost of living? very big for rishi sunak and the governor of i cost of living? very big for rishi sunak and the governor of the l cost of living? very big for rishi i sunak and the governor of the bank of england said today he expects quite a drop in inflation. voters did a survey of economists and expect the cpi rate of inflation to be 2.1% in april, down from 3.2% in march. no significant factors, firstly that is in the vicinity of the target and that is what inflation is meant to be, around 2%. the second significance is remember the big speech that rishi sunak gave in january last year setting out his five pledges and one was to have inflation. it looks like he has now

got down to target so big thing for the prime minister. and there are massive rumours in the conservative party and i stress rumours, what this means is the stars are aligning for rishi sunak and big speculation amongst conservative mps that tomorrow the prime minister will announce the date of the election. i've lost count of the number of conservative mps in the past 72 hours who have come to me. one says from his inner circle that they are all talking about it and i think it will be a slow burn election. but the prime minister will say i will go to the country in the autumn and put pressure on the labour party. a few other mps said to me we think he will announce it for the ltth of july, another veteran conservative mp said that it is ridiculous, why on earth with the promise to do it now? great that inflation is coming down but then we need the monetary policy committee to reduce interest

rates and maybe get a few productions by the autumn and people feel that with mortgage rates possibly coming down and that is when we call the election. nothing confirmed, but big rumours. i'm joined now by dr danny sriskandarajah — chief executive of left—leaning think tank the new economics foundation, and anna valero, a distinguished policy fellow at lse who served on chancellorjeremy hunt's economic advisory council. hello to both of you. and valero, is this a sign that the country is really over both external shocks and self—inflicted shocks? goad really over both external shocks and self-inflicted shocks? good evening. of course this _ self-inflicted shocks? good evening. of course this is _ self-inflicted shocks? good evening. of course this is great _ self-inflicted shocks? good evening. of course this is great news - self-inflicted shocks? good evening. of course this is great news if- self-inflicted shocks? good evening. of course this is great news if it i of course this is great news if it transpires that inflation is going to get to target tomorrow as expected. we had a massive shock to food prices and this has affected living standards. of course important to recognise that prices

do remain high and given that since the period that we entered into the cost of living crisis real wages are still lower than that point versus earlyjuly or early 2021. so the context is of course that this is welcome news but there still work to be done that needs to be done to sustainably grow living standards through sustainably growing real wages and that rest on productivity. so that is in the ointment, low productivity and low growth and we still have for many people are cost of living crisis.— of living crisis. absolutely, the headhne of living crisis. absolutely, the headline numbers _ of living crisis. absolutely, the headline numbers around i of living crisis. absolutely, the i headline numbers around inflation are looking positive but what is worrying — are looking positive but what is worrying is that the cost of living is not _ worrying is that the cost of living is not getting better. but worrying is that the cost of living is not getting better.— worrying is that the cost of living is not getting better. but the price of food we understand _ is not getting better. but the price of food we understand has - is not getting better. but the price of food we understand has fallen l of food we understand has fallen today, a report suggests the basics are fallen. the today, a report suggests the basics are fallen. , . ., ., are fallen. the price of food and ener: are fallen. the price of food and energy are _ are fallen. the price of food and energy are still _ are fallen. the price of food and energy are still 3096 _ are fallen. the price of food and energy are still 3096 higher i are fallen. the price of food and energy are still 3096 higher than energy are still 30% higher than in

2021 _ energy are still 30% higher than in 2021. there is a coalition called stop— 2021. there is a coalition called stop the — 2021. there is a coalition called stop the squeeze and we polled a sample _ stop the squeeze and we polled a sample of the british public a few weeks _ sample of the british public a few weeks ago and 86% of the british public— weeks ago and 86% of the british public say— weeks ago and 86% of the british public say the cost of living crisis is still— public say the cost of living crisis is still with — public say the cost of living crisis is still with them and still affecting their ability to have a decent — affecting their ability to have a decent standard of living. 30 affecting their ability to have a decent standard of living. so what would ou decent standard of living. so what would you like _ decent standard of living. so what would you like to _ decent standard of living. so what would you like to see _ decent standard of living. so what would you like to see happen? i decent standard of living. so what would you like to see happen? at| decent standard of living. so what i would you like to see happen? at the moment in terms of food banks in march 2024, 15 people in every 1000 people were relying on food banks. is that pressure likely to ease? well you talked about the shame of the state _ well you talked about the shame of the state in the last item and it is shameful— the state in the last item and it is shameful i— the state in the last item and it is shameful i think that there still means— shameful i think that there still means people in this country living in poverty— means people in this country living in poverty and 5.5 million on universal— in poverty and 5.5 million on universal credit, five out of six of them _ universal credit, five out of six of them cannot afford basic essentials. so if we _ them cannot afford basic essentials. so if we claim to be a civil society than _ so if we claim to be a civil society than why — so if we claim to be a civil society than why is — so if we claim to be a civil society then why is the state not painless people _ then why is the state not painless people are decent enough allowance for us _ people are decent enough allowance for us to— people are decent enough allowance for us to be able to live a decent life? _ for us to be able to live a decent life? i_ for us to be able to live a decent life? ithink— for us to be able to live a decent life? i think the first thing we

need — life? i think the first thing we need to— life? i think the first thing we need to do is shore up the standard of living _ need to do is shore up the standard of living for— need to do is shore up the standard of living for the poorest and most marginalised people. find of living for the poorest and most marginalised people.— of living for the poorest and most marginalised people. and how do we do that? you — marginalised people. and how do we do that? you can _ marginalised people. and how do we do that? you can provide _ marginalised people. and how do we do that? you can provide an - do that? you can provide an essentials — do that? you can provide an essentials guarantee, i do that? you can provide an essentials guarantee, other| essentials guarantee, other countries have experimented with prices _ countries have experimented with prices. price caps? price caps. we can introduce _ prices. price caps? price caps. we can introduce an energy guarantee where _ can introduce an energy guarantee where the — can introduce an energy guarantee where the first blocks of household energy— where the first blocks of household energy are — where the first blocks of household energy are subsidised. there are many— energy are subsidised. there are many ways— energy are subsidised. there are many ways in which if politicians wanted — many ways in which if politicians wanted to — many ways in which if politicians wanted to they could address the cost of— wanted to they could address the cost of living crisis. is wanted to they could address the cost of living crisis. is it wanted to they could address the cost of living crisis.— cost of living crisis. is it time for targeted _ cost of living crisis. is it time for targeted help _ cost of living crisis. is it time for targeted help in - cost of living crisis. is it time for targeted help in order i cost of living crisis. is it time for targeted help in order to | cost of living crisis. is it time i for targeted help in order to get as it were this to tail off? what for targeted help in order to get as it were this to tail off?— it were this to tail off? what we saw in the _ it were this to tail off? what we saw in the energy _ it were this to tail off? what we saw in the energy crisis - it were this to tail off? what we saw in the energy crisis was i it were this to tail off? what we saw in the energy crisis was we | it were this to tail off? what we i saw in the energy crisis was we had this need to roll out support quickly and therefore it was not targeted so we had the energy price guarantee going to all households even those who are better off and there is an argument that we should provide help to those who are struggling and doing that in a targeted way and also having systems in place to be able to respond to

future shocks with that targeted support quickly. 50 future shocks with that targeted support quickly-— support quickly. so you do not su ort support quickly. so you do not support the — support quickly. so you do not support the idea _ support quickly. so you do not support the idea of _ support quickly. so you do not support the idea of basic - support quickly. so you do not support the idea of basic food | support the idea of basic food stamps for example that should be a cap on essentials? l stamps for example that should be a cap on essentials?— cap on essentials? i think we need to make sure _ cap on essentials? i think we need to make sure that _ cap on essentials? i think we need to make sure that people - cap on essentials? i think we need to make sure that people have - cap on essentials? i think we need to make sure that people have the basic necessities and many people do struggle because they are vulnerable and they've had poor and stagnant real wages for some time. and also we have inequalities heightened during the various crises we've had this decade. but during the various crises we've had this decade-— during the various crises we've had this decade. but this is presumably thou:h this decade. but this is presumably though good _ this decade. but this is presumably though good for trade? _ this decade. but this is presumably though good for trade? there - this decade. but this is presumably though good for trade? there is . this decade. but this is presumably though good for trade? there is no l though good for trade? there is no evidence that _ though good for trade? there is no evidence that trade _ though good for trade? there is no evidence that trade is _ though good for trade? there is no evidence that trade is booming. . though good for trade? there is no | evidence that trade is booming. not booming _ evidence that trade is booming. not booming but it might improve it. it might— booming but it might improve it. it might but— booming but it might improve it. it might but it comes back to where you started. _ might but it comes back to where you started. this — might but it comes back to where you started, this is about improving productivity and competitiveness and investing _ productivity and competitiveness and investing in wages and productivity. on investing in wages and productivity. 0“ that_ investing in wages and productivity. on that point are there structural economic factors holding us back at the moment?—

economic factors holding us back at the moment? ., ., the moment? there are, we went into a technical recession _ the moment? there are, we went into a technical recession in _ the moment? there are, we went into a technical recession in the _ the moment? there are, we went into a technical recession in the second - a technical recession in the second half of last year but really that masks this long—running issue that we've had, a lot of fanfare about returning to growth this year but we've seen stagnation in productivity dating back to the financial crisis and reflected in real wages. financial crisis and reflected in realwages. so financial crisis and reflected in real wages. so there structural issues at play, they have varied in time since the onset of the financial crisis, initially it was a severe financial crisis with credit constraints and then it was a followed by uncertainty during the brexit referendum and of course then we've seen various other crises. so we've seen various other crises. so we know that what underlies a lot of this is underinvestment in the things that matter for productivity. one of the fundamental things we are under investing in our skills. we talk about the skills gap and we have been talking about that for

more than a decade. and how do we mmp more than a decade. and how do we ramp up the closing of that gap? there is no shortage of good ideas. my colleagues at the new economics foundation have the national skiliihg — foundation have the national skilling wage which will create a new set — skilling wage which will create a new set of thin —— a set of incentives _ new set of thin —— a set of incentives for businesses to invest incentives for businesses to invest in skills. _ incentives for businesses to invest in skills, particularly for the green — in skills, particularly for the green transition. we have had chronic— green transition. we have had chronic underinvestment by businesses and the state in exactly those _ businesses and the state in exactly those sort — businesses and the state in exactly those sort of long—term things that we need _ those sort of long—term things that we need to— those sort of long—term things that we need to grow our economy fairly unsustainably, notjust focus we need to grow our economy fairly unsustainably, not just focus on these _ unsustainably, not just focus on these headline targets. unsustainably, notjust focus on these headline targets.- unsustainably, notjust focus on these headline targets. when do you think people — these headline targets. when do you think people are _ these headline targets. when do you think people are going _ these headline targets. when do you think people are going to _ these headline targets. when do you think people are going to start - think people are going to start feeling better off? i think people are going to start feeling better off?— feeling better off? i think obviously _ feeling better off? i think obviously if _ feeling better off? i think obviously if we _ feeling better off? i think obviously if we maintain l feeling better off? i think- obviously if we maintain inflation back to normal levels and start seeing some underlying productivity and growth so we can see sustainable growth in real wages, in order to do that, i think we will need a bit more of a growth plan and it is going to need to stick and it is going to need to stick and it is going to need to stick and it is going to need to attack some of those long—standing barriers preventing businesses from investing. and fundamental to that

also is the role of public sector investment. we have been under investing in terms of our public sector capital formation as a share of the best gdp for some time. while progress has been made, it is now set for based on the most recent fiscal statements. 50 set for based on the most recent fiscal statements.— fiscal statements. so a five year urowth fiscal statements. so a five year growth plan _ fiscal statements. so a five year growth plan perhaps? _ fiscal statements. so a five year growth plan perhaps? five - fiscal statements. so a five year growth plan perhaps? five year| fiscal statements. so a five year l growth plan perhaps? five year or fiscal statements. so a five year - growth plan perhaps? five year or 50 ears. but growth plan perhaps? five year or 50 years but we — growth plan perhaps? five year or 50 years. but we are _ growth plan perhaps? five year or 50 years. but we are talking _ growth plan perhaps? five year or 50 years. but we are talking about - years. but we are talking about rumours — years. but we are talking about rumours of an election, another poll found _ rumours of an election, another poll found that _ rumours of an election, another poll found that a — rumours of an election, another poll found that a quarter of the british public— found that a quarter of the british public believe either the conservatives or the labour party are taking — conservatives or the labour party are taking this cost—of—living crisis — are taking this cost—of—living crisis seriously enough. are taking this cost-of-living crisis seriously enough. thank you both very much — crisis seriously enough. thank you both very much indeed. _ in an interview a few moments ago on the bbc�*s ten o'clock news, the conservative mp craig mackinlay — who was rushed to hospital in september, suffering from acute sepsis, and given a 5% change of survival — spoke for the first time about having to have both hands and feet amputated due to the after—effects of sepsis. ahead of his return to parliament tomorrow, he talked about the trauma.

there was discussions happening about these arms, and legs. because by then, they had turned black. they were like a plastic. you could almost knock them. and it was like... it was like a... like your mobile phone plastic. they looked like a pharaoh's hand that had just been dug up, or peat bog man. they were black, desiccating, clenched, and just looked dead. i mean, they looked dead. i wasn't really surprised at the potential outcome. these things are dead. your legs and arms are dead. i am nowjoined by sepsis survivor olivia giles who, 22 years ago, was rushed into hospital with sepsis. olivia had her hands and feet amputated to save her life. and her surgeon managed to save a joint in one arm and a joint in one leg at her knee. and we will also be speaking to dr ron daniels, director of uk sepsis trust.

thank you forjoining us. olivia, in 2002, you werejust thank you forjoining us. olivia, in 2002, you were just 36. what happened to you?— 2002, you were just 36. what happened to you? 2002, you were just 36. what ha--ened to ou? ~ ., ., ,, happened to you? well, i was at work on an ordinary — happened to you? well, i was at work on an ordinary hard-working - happened to you? well, i was at work on an ordinary hard-working thursday on an ordinary hard—working thursday when i began to feeljust a little bit shivery and out of sorts. and within 2a hours, i was unconscious in intensive care and on life support. in intensive care and on life support-— in intensive care and on life su ort. ., , ., . in intensive care and on life su ort. ., ,, . ., support. you tell me you decided not to no to support. you tell me you decided not to go to hospital— support. you tell me you decided not to go to hospital that _ support. you tell me you decided not to go to hospital that night, - to go to hospital that night, though. to go to hospital that night, thou~h. . , to go to hospital that night, thou~h. ., , . ., to go to hospital that night, thouuh. ., , . ., ., though. that is correct, i had no idea what _ though. that is correct, i had no idea what was _ though. that is correct, i had no idea what was happening - though. that is correct, i had no idea what was happening to - though. that is correct, i had noj idea what was happening to me. though. that is correct, i had no. idea what was happening to me. i just knew that i felt freezing cold. my just knew that i felt freezing cold. my hands and feet were like blocks of ice. i deteriorated overnight. i did call a doctor in the morning. the doctor thought i had a virus. and left me saying that i should drink. but when i saw the mottled marks on my very cold hands and feet, i knew that it was something very wrong and that is when i did

call for an ambulance myself. find call for an ambulance myself. and then ou call for an ambulance myself. and then you are _ call for an ambulance myself. and then you are in — call for an ambulance myself. and then you are in a _ call for an ambulance myself. and then you are in a coma for four weeks. and when you came out of that coma, everything had changed. yes. coma, everything had changed. yes, uuite coma, everything had changed. yes, quite dramatically. _ coma, everything had changed. yes, quite dramatically. it _ coma, everything had changed. 1a: quite dramatically. it was quite a long, hard climb back to a sort of normal life. which is hard in a lot of ways. you have to learn to live in a completely different way. if of ways. you have to learn to live in a completely different way. iii in a completely different way. if i can 'ust in a completely different way. if i canjust interrupt in a completely different way. if i can just interrupt you in a completely different way. if i canjust interrupt you because i do know you and you have had a very demanding and stressfuljob. you are working very, very hard. and then you came out with the came sign —— you came out with the came sign —— you came out and with the same kind of determination, he went through that physiotherapy. you had a long road back. what was that road like? it was actually very positive because things are improving all the time. i wasn't deteriorating. i was getting better. horizons were

getting better. horizons were getting wider so it was actually quite a special and wonderful rehabilitation.— quite a special and wonderful rehabilitation. ., , ., rehabilitation. ron daniels, what we know frau -- _ rehabilitation. ron daniels, what we know frau -- what _ rehabilitation. ron daniels, what we know frau -- what we _ rehabilitation. ron daniels, what we know frau -- what we know- rehabilitation. ron daniels, what we know frau -- what we know now - rehabilitation. ron daniels, what we i know frau -- what we know now from know frau —— what we know now from sepsis as it moves incredibly wiggly and we are not that good at recognising it. we talk about meningitis and the tests, but actually for sepsis, it was the same as craig mackinlay, he didn't know what was wrong.— what was wrong. yes, you are absolutely — what was wrong. yes, you are absolutely right _ what was wrong. yes, you are absolutely right and _ what was wrong. yes, you are absolutely right and i - what was wrong. yes, you are absolutely right and i think i what was wrong. yes, you are l absolutely right and i think this what was wrong. yes, you are . absolutely right and i think this is absolutely right and i think this is a fair— absolutely right and i think this is a fair allegation, we are not very good _ a fair allegation, we are not very good at — a fair allegation, we are not very good at recognising it. that is because — good at recognising it. that is because sepsis can arise as a consequence of any type of infection in a patient — consequence of any type of infection in a patient of any age, irrespective of whether or not they have got _ irrespective of whether or not they have got underlying illness. so no two people with sepsis present in the same — two people with sepsis present in the same way. so to get this right nreans— the same way. so to get this right means we — the same way. so to get this right means we have to have a public who are aware _ means we have to have a public who are aware and know the symptoms and they know _ are aware and know the symptoms and they know how to access health care and health— they know how to access health care and health professionals that are not only—

and health professionals that are not only well trained in thinking sepsis. — not only well trained in thinking sepsis, but also have access to the right— sepsis, but also have access to the right tools — sepsis, but also have access to the right tools to help them diagnose it. �* , , , , ., ., it. and with pressures on the health service and — it. and with pressures on the health service and people _ it. and with pressures on the health service and people reluctant - it. and with pressures on the health service and people reluctant to - it. and with pressures on the health service and people reluctant to calll service and people reluctant to call feeling they call the nothing happens, it is not 111, it is 999 if you think you have sepsis, isn't it? absolutely, the six key symptoms of sepsis. _ absolutely, the six key symptoms of sepsis. the _ absolutely, the six key symptoms of sepsis, the call to action is either call 999 — sepsis, the call to action is either call 999 or— sepsis, the call to action is either call 999 or if there is going to be a big _ call 999 or if there is going to be a big delay with the ambulance and you can _ a big delay with the ambulance and you can safely do so, just get yourself— you can safely do so, just get yourself straight to banana. because with sepsis, the difference between surviving _ with sepsis, the difference between surviving and not, the difference between — surviving and not, the difference between potential limb loss are not is measured in a small number of hours _ is measured in a small number of hours -- — is measured in a small number of hours —— straight to a&e. and is measured in a small number of hours -- straight to me. and the loss of limbs, _ hours -- straight to me. and the loss of limbs, because _ hours -- straight to me. and the loss of limbs, because both - hours -- straight to me. and the loss of limbs, because both olivia and craig lost hands and feet, how common is that with sepsis? foretell. common is that with sepsis? well, look, it is thankfully _ common is that with sepsis? well, look, it is thankfully rare. - common is that with sepsis? well, look, it is thankfully rare. we - look, it is thankfully rare. we don't — look, it is thankfully rare. we don't know precisely because it is not good — don't know precisely because it is not good enough, the data. it is

estimated — not good enough, the data. it is estimated 2% of cases of sepsis end ”p estimated 2% of cases of sepsis end up with— estimated 2% of cases of sepsis end up with a _ estimated 2% of cases of sepsis end up with a survivor suffering limb loss~ _ up with a survivor suffering limb loss but — up with a survivor suffering limb loss. but there are other after effects — loss. but there are other after effects olivia and craig may know equally _ effects olivia and craig may know equally well that are not visible. people — equally well that are not visible. people can have ptsd, people can have cognitive dysfunction or brain fo- have cognitive dysfunction or brain fog as _ have cognitive dysfunction or brain fog as it— have cognitive dysfunction or brain fog as it is— have cognitive dysfunction or brain fog as it is more commonly known. people _ fog as it is more commonly known. people can— fog as it is more commonly known. people can have disabling pain syndromes, fatigue syndromes. and these _ syndromes, fatigue syndromes. and these can— syndromes, fatigue syndromes. and these can have very significant impacts— these can have very significant impacts on people's lives. and that's— impacts on people's lives. and that's why— impacts on people's lives. and that's why we help to support people affected _ that's why we help to support people affected. and it is a lifeline to people — affected. and it is a lifeline to eo - le. ., ., affected. and it is a lifeline to eo le, ., ., ., ., “ people. olivia, i wonder looking back now and _ people. olivia, i wonder looking back now and i _ people. olivia, i wonder looking back now and i know _ people. olivia, i wonder looking back now and i know your - people. olivia, iwonder looking. back now and i know your partner and know your husband robin was told you had a very poor chance of survival, i wonder ptsd could be for family members as well dealing with this, but do you think you had ptsd or do you think you actually moved through this because it went straight into physiotherapy and you did all these things?

physiotherapy and you did all these thins? , , ., , physiotherapy and you did all these thins? , , ., things? yes, everything was always lookin: things? yes, everything was always looking brighter _ things? yes, everything was always looking brighter and _ things? yes, everything was always looking brighter and more - things? yes, everything was always looking brighter and more positive. | looking brighter and more positive. and it is definitely true to say that knowing that you have nearly died and have really had a very, very fortunate recovery, you do have a much deeper appreciation of your time on this planet and what you can do with it. do time on this planet and what you can do with it. i. time on this planet and what you can do with it. , ., ~' do with it. do you think the question — do with it. do you think the question of _ do with it. do you think the question of ptsd, - do with it. do you think the question of ptsd, you - do with it. do you think the question of ptsd, you are. do with it. do you think the | question of ptsd, you are a clinician, but as you say, you know now what sepsis is like in the round and how damaging it can be psychologically as well as physically, ron daniels. do we have enough recognition of that? loafell. physically, ron daniels. do we have enough recognition of that? well, we really don't- — enough recognition of that? well, we really don't- we _ enough recognition of that? well, we really don't. we have _ enough recognition of that? well, we really don't. we have heard - enough recognition of that? well, we really don't. we have heard during i really don't. we have heard during the covid—i9 pandemic that the government was appropriating resources to help to rehabilitate people — resources to help to rehabilitate people of the covid—i9. sepsis is exactly— people of the covid—i9. sepsis is exactly the same after—effects and we need _ exactly the same after—effects and we need to take this very seriously. so tell— we need to take this very seriously. so tell me — we need to take this very seriously. so tell me about the six steps. the six symptoms _ so tell me about the six steps. the six symptoms spell the word sepsis and these _ six symptoms spell the word sepsis and these are the call to action to send _ and these are the call to action to send you — and these are the call to action to send you straight to a&e. sis

and these are the call to action to send you straight to a&e. s is full slurred _ send you straight to a&e. s is full slurred speech or confusion. e is for extreme _ slurred speech or confusion. e is for extreme pain in the muscles and joints _ for extreme pain in the muscles and joints p _ for extreme pain in the muscles and joints p is _ for extreme pain in the muscles and joints. p is for passing no water in a day _ joints. p is for passing no water in a day 5 _ joints. p is for passing no water in a day sis — joints. p is for passing no water in a day 5 is for— joints. p is for passing no water in a day. 5 is for severe breathlessness. i is for it feels like i_ breathlessness. i is for it feels like i am — breathlessness. i is for it feels like i am going to die and people really— like i am going to die and people really do — like i am going to die and people really do say that. the final 5 is for skin— really do say that. the final 5 is for skin that is mottled and discoloured or blue or very pale. any one — discoloured or blue or very pale. any one of— discoloured or blue or very pale. any one of those six, go straight to a85 _ any one of those six, go straight to a&e. ., any one of those six, go straight to me. ., , ., any one of those six, go straight to me. ., i. ., ., a&e. olivia, you saw that craig mackinlay _ a&e. olivia, you saw that craig mackinlay is — a&e. olivia, you saw that craig mackinlay is back _ a&e. olivia, you saw that craig mackinlay is back in _ a&e. olivia, you saw that craig mackinlay is back in the - a&e. olivia, you saw that craig i mackinlay is back in the commons tomorrow. what is your life like now? you have a very full life, but is it different?— is it different? completely different. _ is it different? completely different. the _ is it different? completely different. the whole - is it different? completely - different. the whole experience is it different? completely _ different. the whole experience took me in a totally different direction. i was a workaholic, a commercial property lawyer, and i now run a charity which provides prosthetics in malawi. find charity which provides prosthetics in malawi. �* ., charity which provides prosthetics in malawi. . ., ., ., ., in malawi. and on a scale from one to ten, is in malawi. and on a scale from one to ten. is it — in malawi. and on a scale from one to ten, is it better? _ in malawi. and on a scale from one to ten, is it better? yes, _ in malawi. and on a scale from one to ten, is it better? yes, but - in malawi. and on a scale from one to ten, is it better? yes, but i - to ten, is it better? yes, but i would never _ to ten, is it better? yes, but i would never say _ to ten, is it better? yes, but i would never say that - to ten, is it better? yes, but i would never say that i'm - to ten, is it better? yes, but i would never say that i'm glad | to ten, is it better? yes, but i - would never say that i'm glad that it happened. but there are certainly

a lot of silver linings.