i'm going to work very hard every single day to earn your trust. and you know what? i don't think you, the british people, like being taken for granted. that's the choice. more of this chaos and decline — we've had 14 years. heaven knows what they'll do if they get another five years. 0r move forward with labour. the winding road to polling day. still has plenty around the corner, and where every announcement prompts a flurry of reaction as each party - seeks to undermine the others. the election is in full swing. on my panel tonight are martin shipton, the nation.cymru associate editor in wales, lucy fisher, the financial times whitehall editor, nadine batchelor—hunt, the political reporter for politicshome in birmingham and chris morris, the ceo of full fact, a british charity, which checks and corrects facts reported in the news and on social media.

first, the latest headlines... in the last hour, the jury in donald trump's hush money trial has requested some further evidence after beginning deliberations. the former president is now close to learning his fate after becoming the first american president to face a criminal trial. the polls have now closed in south africa's general election. the vote is being seen as the most pivotal in three decades and is considered a test of the ruling anc�*s — the african national congress — hold on the country. the dutch authorities are investigating the death of a person who fell into the spinning turbine blades of a departing passengerjet at amsterdam's schiphol airport. the death occurred outside the busy hub�*s terminal as a klm

flight was ready to depart for billund in denmark. and breaking news — a father and son from cheshire are missing after a hillwalking trip in the scottish highlands. tom parry and his 12—year—old son richie were due to return home on wednesday after visiting glen nevis and glencoe. but have police scotland confirmed their car was found in a car park. there's more on that on the bbc news website. we start tonight with the latest from the campaign trail here in the uk. labour has been attempting to focus its efforts on the nhs today, with plans for hospitals to do more out—of—hours work and use the private sector to tackle england's nhs waiting lists, but the attention has been firmly on the party's handling of diane abbott. there's still confusion tonight over whether the long—serving labour mp can or can't stand again

in the general election. keir starmer says there is no decision about that yet, but diane abbott says she is barred and has doubled down tonight at a rally in hackney. i was shocked to learn yesterday that i am going to be banned from running for the labour party. booing shame! i have been selected by my local party members, many of whom are here today, but the national party is insisting that i be banned. they haven't communicated with me personally. they haven't given a reason for banning me. they just want me

excluded from parliament. ms abbott signed off her speech by saying that she wanted to remain the mp for her constituency for as long as it is possible, but she didn't address the issue of whether she would run as an independent. our correspondent, joe pike, pressed her on that issue as she left the event. will you stand as an independent candidate in this election, diane abbott? will you stand as an independent? there you have it diane abbott going into a car as she left that speech that she gave earlier in hackney in her constituency. now i am joint by my panel. i'm joined now by martin shipton, the nation cymru associate editor in wales, lucy fisher, the financial times whitehall editor, nadine batchelor—hunt, the political reporter for politicshome in birmingham, and with me in the studio

is chris morris, the ceo of full fact, a british charity which checks and corrects facts reported in the news and on social media. and former bbc news reporter. welcome to all of you. i will start with martin. this was all about the labour party setting out its plans for the nhs which is always a key election issue. now, it has somewhat been diverted by this ongoing trauma over what will happen to diane abbott and her role will be in the party —— ongoing drama. i abbott and her role will be in the party -- ongoing drama.- abbott and her role will be in the party -- ongoing drama. i think many --eole will party -- ongoing drama. i think many peeple will be — party -- ongoing drama. i think many peeple will be very — party -- ongoing drama. i think many people will be very concerned - party -- ongoing drama. i think many people will be very concerned about l people will be very concerned about the way that diane abbott has been treated. she's obviously been a loyal member of the labour party in westminster for approaching a0 years. as well as an enormous around of respect, the first black woman mp who was elected and therefore, she has that significance which i think

many people look to and she is seen by many people in the ethnic minority communities and beyond as something of a role model. she has found herself tied up in a very protracted situation which arose out of what i think we would all probably agree was an unwise comment that she made. but the way in which the labour party has treated her and the labour party has treated her and the way in which the labour party has delayed in making a determination about what should happen to her as a consequence of what she said quite a while ago now and for what she did apologise for, is i think emblematic of something which is obviously significant in her case, but is something bigger as well. there have been a number of instances where people on the left of the party have felt they have

been victimised by those who are running the labour party now. people who surround keir starmer. there are a number of instances that have occurred in wales and elsewhere where you could say actually if people had been on the right of the party, they may not have been treated as harshly as a diane abbott has been. so i think that is a general concern about what will happen if and when the labour party is in power as the governing party. i will stop you there because there's a lot of other people who obviously want to jump in as well. thank you for your thoughts on that. the dean, i will bring you in on this next. 0bviously the dean, i will bring you in on this next. obviously this is about an np in london. you report from birmingham, how much do you think this is an issue that translates nationally as well, the way that many people see diane abbott's treatment by the labour party? 0bviously treatment by the labour party? obviously there is a big black population in london and in the

constituency of diane abbott. in birmingham there is also a large black_ birmingham there is also a large black population as well. i think it will be _ black population as well. i think it will be focused generally focused on the people of left of labour and not seen as_ the people of left of labour and not seen as quite as strongly socialist closer_ seen as quite as strongly socialist closer to — seen as quite as strongly socialist closer to the policies of corbin van siarmen _ closer to the policies of corbin van siarmen of— closer to the policies of corbin van starmer. of course people who are aniiracisi _ starmer. of course people who are antiracist will see this unacceptable as the way the events have played out. it is bizarre to see labour _ have played out. it is bizarre to see labour tied themselves in knots on this_ see labour tied themselves in knots on this when they have a perfect opportunity to resolve the situation of diane _ opportunity to resolve the situation of diane abbott when comments were made and _ of diane abbott when comments were made and suggested that she hated black women which were repulsive comments. labour did criticise a certain— comments. labour did criticise a certain party for that and when people — certain party for that and when people said this was a prime opportunity to welcome diane back

into the _ opportunity to welcome diane back into the party. why they did not take _ into the party. why they did not take that — into the party. why they did not take that opportunity, i don't know. why it _ take that opportunity, i don't know. why it has _ take that opportunity, i don't know. why it has dragged on, i don't know but rather— why it has dragged on, i don't know but rather than being able to focus on their— but rather than being able to focus on their nhs announcements today, this route _ on their nhs announcements today, this route over diane abbott, frustration about the briefings encounter briefings and keir starmer saying _ encounter briefings and keir starmer saying that _ encounter briefings and keir starmer saying that reports in the press is wrong _ saying that reports in the press is wrong has — saying that reports in the press is wrong has completely overshadowed what labour should have been doing which _ what labour should have been doing which is _ what labour should have been doing which is seizing an agenda so it is a strange — which is seizing an agenda so it is a strange. and i think a which is seizing an agenda so it is a strange. and i thinka reminderto them— a strange. and i thinka reminderto them that— a strange. and i thinka reminderto them that there are pressures despite — them that there are pressures despite being far ahead in the polls — despite being far ahead in the olls. ., ., ., , polls. hold that thought, the rest ofthe polls. hold that thought, the rest of the panel- _ polls. hold that thought, the rest of the panel. we _ polls. hold that thought, the rest of the panel. we will _ polls. hold that thought, the rest of the panel. we will look - polls. hold that thought, the rest of the panel. we will look at - polls. hold that thought, the restj of the panel. we will look at what the conservatives have been doing today. meanwhile, rishi sunak has been campaigning in south—west england today. he said his party would replace what he called rip—off university degrees and fund 100,000 more apprenticeships instead. the south—west is a key battle ground for the conservatives. our political editor, chris mason, has been following the prime minister on his campaign train today and sent this report.

bodmin in cornwall, one week into the general election campaign. and the verdict from some folk here? it is ok, really. i think it is a good idea to have it. they are looking for your vote, of course, but ijust think they are fighting with each other and it is ridiculous. what do you make of the whole election fun and games? it is a total nightmare. i can't bear it. i can't watch television... it isjust dreadful. you can't be telling me you're not watching television! i am trying not to. planes and policies, trains and yet more trains. the prime minister arriving in penzance this morning, not looking too rough after a night on the sleeper from london. first atop, a rail maintenance depot to talk up his idea first stop, a rail maintenance depot to talk up his idea on apprenticeships in england. a future conservative government

will take the bold action of closing down underperforming university degrees that are letting our young people down, and instead using that money to fund 100,000 new high—quality apprenticeships. meet, greet, talk and move on is the rythmn for all of the party leaders out and about. it is lunchtime, this is liskeard and the prime minister is arriving at a local broadband company. i have heard you are a bit of an expert... having a go at other people's jobs, all part of many a—visit. and listen out for the generous job offer, depending how things turn out. that was a perfect slice, if you're looking for a job in telecoms... the winding road to the ath ofjuly, polling day, still has plenty around the corner, and where every announcement prompts a flurry of reaction as each party seeks to undermine the others. our message that the conservatives have let people down— i in the west country over the healthl service, economy, things like sewage on our rivers and beaches, is resonating with people. |

the conservatives have to say, if they announce any policy, how they are going to pay for it. that is what we in the labour party deliver, fully funded, fully costed policies, and that is what we expect from the conservatives. of course, in this general election campaign it is the cost of the union on the table, we have a cost of living crisis inflicted by westminster, challenges connected to brexit, and of course austerity policies. the prime minister has made quite a thing of projecting a certain energy. he has hurtled around england, scotland, wales, and northern ireland in the first couple of days. now he is here in the south—west of england, a region teeming with conservative seats he really needs to cling onto. and after a morning in cornwall, next it's devon. late this afternoon, rishi sunak arrived at dunkeswell at a military vehicle manufacture to talk to members of staff and to reporters. prime minister, there is no doubt you are meeting plenty of people out and about, but are you changing many minds?

look, chris, you can see we are having a conversation here, but i am determined to talk to as many people as i can across this country over the remaining weeks of this campaign. that is how i started it, and as you heard, i am thoroughly enjoying myself. i am enjoying having conversations with people about... you changing minds? ..about the things that matter. yes, lam changing minds. the tour for all the party leaders trundles on. oh, and you can tell the election is getting near that when you is getting nearer when you see pictures like this. five weeks to go. chris mason, bbc news, in devon. we haven't seen any politicians kissing babies today, at least. chris, ceo of full fact which checks and corrects facts reported on the news and social media, we have seen mr sunak out and about in the south—west. that is a key target

battleground area for the conservatives, particularly on seats where they may be very close to the lib dems. lib dems hoping that they can take away some of the conservative stronghold down there. it means in some ways he is on the defensive _ it means in some ways he is on the defensive down— it means in some ways he is on the defensive down there _ it means in some ways he is on the defensive down there because - defensive down there because they have a _ defensive down there because they have a lot — defensive down there because they have a lot of — defensive down there because they have a lot of seats _ defensive down there because they have a lot of seats to _ defensive down there because they have a lot of seats to lose - defensive down there because they have a lot of seats to lose and - have a lot of seats to lose and rishi — have a lot of seats to lose and rishi sunak _ have a lot of seats to lose and rishi sunak says _ have a lot of seats to lose and rishi sunak says he's - have a lot of seats to lose and rishi sunak says he's not- have a lot of seats to lose and i rishi sunak says he's not worried about— rishi sunak says he's not worried about the — rishi sunak says he's not worried about the polls _ rishi sunak says he's not worried about the polls and _ rishi sunak says he's not worried about the polls and what - 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the other hand, i think we also know that an awful lot of people make upl that an awful lot of people make up their mind — that an awful lot of people make up their mind about— that an awful lot of people make up their mind about how— that an awful lot of people make up their mind about how they're - that an awful lot of people make up their mind about how they're going | their mind about how they're going to vote _ their mind about how they're going to vote on — their mind about how they're going to vote on before _ their mind about how they're going to vote on before the _ their mind about how they're going to vote on before the election - to vote on before the election campaign _ to vote on before the election campaign begins. _ to vote on before the election campaign begins. i— to vote on before the election campaign begins. ithink- to vote on before the election campaign begins. i think that| campaign begins. i think that despite — campaign begins. i think that despite his— campaign begins. i think that despite his would _ campaign begins. i think that despite his would seek - 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shot _ country and he is giving it his best shot. . , ., ., country and he is giving it his best shot. , ., ., .., ., ,., shot. lucy, have not come to you get so i went shot. lucy, have not come to you get so i went to — shot. lucy, have not come to you get so i went to get _ shot. lucy, have not come to you get so i went to get your _ shot. lucy, have not come to you get so i went to get your thoughts. - shot. lucy, have not come to you get so i went to get your thoughts. we i so i went to get your thoughts. we are still early on and what will be a long election campaign. chris mentioned those televised debates, today the first conference will be happening on tuesday on itv at nine o'clock. what are your thoughts ahead of that? i o'clock. what are your thoughts ahead of that?— o'clock. what are your thoughts ahead of that? i think the first tv debate is always _ ahead of that? i think the first tv debate is always a _ ahead of that? i think the first tv debate is always a real _ ahead of that? i think the first tv debate is always a real moment l ahead of that? i think the first tv| debate is always a real moment in an election campaign. one forgets because elections tend to be so many years apart that election campaigns are fairly calloused by their nature, they can be quite busy. the dynamic and shift over a day over 2a-a8 dynamic and shift over a day over 2a—a8 hours. i think that is what we have seen so far. we are not even into the first full week of it. it felt like rishi sunak had a faltering first couple of days and yet, for the labour party, it is their debacle over the treatment of diane abbott, whether she will or will not be able to stand as a lever mp at the election onjuly the ath. it seems you have derailed's bit to

talk about the nhs and ensure patients in england receive treatment within 18 weeks, a target they say they want to get to in the first five years, a first term of a labour government. many people do not think that is an ambitious pledge, all the same, i'm not sure of and people will have heard it today because of the diane abbott row has dominated headlines. so does shifting sands. i think when we look at the head to head that takes place every wednesday in parliament to return time between keir starmer and rishi sunak, it is a sunak who tends to get the better of the labour leader. he's a bit more nimble on his feet in those exchanges. i think he does well in one since when his backis he does well in one since when his back is against the wall. so i think the tory campaign is really hoping that on tuesday at nine p:m., it will be a moment for rishi sunak to try and get back on the front foot. do you think people are going to be

watching these debates closely and do you think they really make a difference when it comes to voters who are undecided, nadine? i honestly don't think the average person— honestly don't think the average person watches and follows politics as closely— person watches and follows politics as closely as all of us do. i think it is one — as closely as all of us do. i think it is one of— as closely as all of us do. i think it is one of the things that is difficult _ it is one of the things that is difficult to comprehend as a political— difficult to comprehend as a politicaljournalist difficult to comprehend as a political journalist when you difficult to comprehend as a politicaljournalist when you talk to the _ politicaljournalist when you talk to the average person when many people _ to the average person when many people who is, so most people will not be _ people who is, so most people will not be watching. in office and more people _ not be watching. in office and more people than usual will be paying attention to politics and i imagine there _ attention to politics and i imagine there will— attention to politics and i imagine there will be lots of people who will be — there will be lots of people who will be learning keir starmer's name for the _ will be learning keir starmer's name for the first — will be learning keir starmer's name for the first time potentially rishi sunaks— for the first time potentially rishi sunak's for the first time. so it is a first— sunak's for the first time. so it is a first impression that these two people _ a first impression that these two people will be making and i think that is— people will be making and i think that is what you will see keir starmer— that is what you will see keir starmer drum on about his dad and mum _ starmer drum on about his dad and mum because these things, while we have heard _ mum because these things, while we have heard the time it began with the last— have heard the time it began with the last several years, many people haven't _ the last several years, many people haven't and — the last several years, many people haven't and these are the sorts of things— haven't and these are the sorts of things that — haven't and these are the sorts of things that cut through. i think it is important in the first debate

doesn't — is important in the first debate doesn't set the tone. it is a bit like a — doesn't set the tone. it is a bit like a boxing match, these things. so it is— like a boxing match, these things. so it is important but i don't think we can— so it is important but i don't think we can overstate how many people will actually watch because we are not a _ will actually watch because we are not a hugely politically engaged nation — not a hugely politically engaged nation. , , , ., not a hugely politically engaged nation. , , i. . ,, nation. chris, i will bring you back in. but nation. chris, i will bring you back in- itut when _ nation. chris, i will bring you back in. but when you _ nation. chris, i will bring you back in. but when you are _ nation. chris, i will bring you back in. but when you are watching - nation. chris, i will bring you back in. but when you are watching a i in. but when you are watching a televised debate, you are all about fact checking, how are you going to make sure when mr sunak or mr starmer makes a claim, people know whether that is correct or not. we have a team _ whether that is correct or not. we have a team who will be doing that as quickly— have a team who will be doing that as quickly as — have a team who will be doing that as quickly as possible _ have a team who will be doing that as quickly as possible we _ have a team who will be doing that as quickly as possible we also - have a team who will be doing thatj as quickly as possible we also have automated — as quickly as possible we also have automated tracking _ as quickly as possible we also have automated tracking tools _ as quickly as possible we also have automated tracking tools based - as quickly as possible we also have automated tracking tools based on| as quickly as possible we also have . automated tracking tools based on al which _ automated tracking tools based on al which means— automated tracking tools based on al which means we _ automated tracking tools based on al which means we can _ automated tracking tools based on al which means we can use _ automated tracking tools based on al which means we can use machines i automated tracking tools based on al which means we can use machines toj which means we can use machines to check— which means we can use machines to check for— which means we can use machines to check for the — which means we can use machines to check for the language _ which means we can use machines to check for the language in _ which means we can use machines to check for the language in which - check for the language in which claims — check for the language in which claims are _ check for the language in which claims are made. _ check for the language in which claims are made. so _ check for the language in which claims are made. so we - check for the language in which claims are made. so we can- check for the language in which claims are made. so we can do| check for the language in which i claims are made. so we can do it quicker— claims are made. so we can do it quicker than _ claims are made. so we can do it quicker than ever— claims are made. so we can do it quicker than ever before. - claims are made. so we can do it quicker than ever before. can - claims are made. so we can do it quicker than ever before. can we j claims are made. so we can do it i quicker than ever before. can we do you literally — quicker than ever before. can we do you literally have _ quicker than ever before. can we do you literally have a _ quicker than ever before. can we do you literally have a ticker— quicker than ever before. can we do you literally have a ticker tape - you literally have a ticker tape running — you literally have a ticker tape running underneath _ you literally have a ticker tape running underneath at - you literally have a ticker tape running underneath at the - you literally have a ticker tape - running underneath at the bottom of your screen— running underneath at the bottom of your screen the _ running underneath at the bottom of your screen the very _ running underneath at the bottom of your screen the very second - running underneath at the bottom ofl your screen the very second someone says something? 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liberal democrats are going to have a huge surge in all of that. i think it is possible for people to change their perspective, but it tends to be rather instantaneous. so i think while people may have an instant perception, maybe that person is not doing as well as we want them to come up with it that actually goes through and changes peoples voting intentions i think is a different matter entirely. i think the great majority of people have made their mind already on what they will do. cleggmania, we have not heard that phrase for a while. stay with us, we have plenty more politics to discuss. around the world and across the uk, this is bbc news.

junior doctors in england are to stage another five—day strike from june 27th untiljuly 2nd — just days before the general election.

talks with the government restarted two weeks ago but have broken down. the doctors' union, the british medical association, has been in dispute overjunior doctors' pay for more than a year now. let's speak to junior doctor and deputy chair of the bma uk doctors' committee, dr sumi manirajan. welcome, doctor. tell us why you have decided to take this action? we have decided to take this action? we have been in dispute with the government now for over 20 months. they were _ government now for over 20 months. they were unavailable to come with a credible _ they were unavailable to come with a credible offer and force us and strike — credible offer and force us and strike action again for the 11th time — strike action again for the 11th time. ~ , ., , time. the prime minister has said that the timing _ time. the prime minister has said that the timing of _ time. the prime minister has said that the timing of the _ time. the prime minister has said that the timing of the strike, i - that the timing of the strike, i quote, et look incredibly political. is that what you are trying to do? derailed the election word derail

things for the conservatives ahead of the election? the things for the conservatives ahead of the election?— things for the conservatives ahead of the election? ., ., of the election? the government have had 20 months _ of the election? the government have had 20 months to _ of the election? the government have had 20 months to negotiate _ of the election? the government have had 20 months to negotiate with - of the election? the government have had 20 months to negotiate with us i had 20 months to negotiate with us and we were about to enter mediation with the government decided to call an election. we do not have any control of when the government decides to do so, but they had chosen to do it now with a open dispute with us. the reason we are taking strike action is because our pay has dropped over 26% in the last 15 years. which resulted in doctors that have graduated medical school with hundred thousand pounds of debt being paid as little as £15 an hour. what we are asking for is for pay to be restored. we are not asking for a pay rise, we are asking for pay restoration. in pay rise, we are asking for pay restoration.— restoration. in terms of negotiations, _ restoration. in terms of negotiations, you - restoration. in terms of negotiations, you are i restoration. in terms of - negotiations, you are saying that restoration. in terms of _ negotiations, you are saying that so far, despite various rounds of talks, they have not got to where you want? talks, they have not got to where ou want? . , talks, they have not got to where ou want? ., , .., . you want? that is correct. the government — you want? that is correct. the government have _ you want? that is correct. the government have failed - you want? that is correct. the government have failed to - you want? that is correct. the government have failed to putj government have failed to put forward a credible offer. to call off the strikes, rishi sunak needs

to do something very simple. he needs to come forward with a credible offer, a public commitment that this will be implemented on the first day post elections, should he be successful in being reelected. one question many people ask when we have these conversations with people ahead of the strike action is, what are your concerns about the impact on health services? we are your concerns about the impact on health services?— on health services? we know that strike action. _ on health services? we know that strike action, taking _ on health services? we know that strike action, taking ten - on health services? we know that strike action, taking ten rounds i on health services? we know that i strike action, taking ten rounds can be say. what we are asking for is for the prime minister to comport with a credible offer because if he does, we will have no need to take strike action. he is shown through throughout this dispute we can take safe strike action because the senior colleagues such as consultants cover for us must be take strike action.— consultants cover for us must be take strike action. assuming, we don't know _ take strike action. assuming, we don't know what _ take strike action. assuming, we don't know what the _ take strike action. assuming, we don't know what the result - take strike action. assuming, we don't know what the result of. take strike action. assuming, we| don't know what the result of the election is going to be, but

assuming the opinion polls may be correct and there is potentially a labour prime minister in power, what will your message be to a new prime minister if that is the result after ath ofjuly? brute minister if that is the result after ltth ofjulv?_ ath ofjuly? we are happy to negotiate — ath ofjuly? we are happy to negotiate with _ ath ofjuly? we are happy to negotiate with any _ ath ofjuly? we are happy to i negotiate with any government ath ofjuly? we are happy to - negotiate with any government in power and we would also be happy for rishi sunak to come forward with an offer. if he does so in there is none of the government in power, we are happy to use that offer provided it is credible as a blueprint as to how we can and the doctor's dispute. no doctor wants to be on strike, we want to be in hospitals providing care to the public. unfortunately, this government has forced us out yet again. this government has forced us out et aaain. . ~ this government has forced us out et aaain. ., ,, i. this government has forced us out etaaain. ., ,, , this government has forced us out etaaain. . , . ., yet again. thank you very much for shannu yet again. thank you very much for sharing the — yet again. thank you very much for sharing the reasons _ yet again. thank you very much for sharing the reasons why _ yet again. thank you very much for sharing the reasons why you - yet again. thank you very much for sharing the reasons why you are i sharing the reasons why you are calling for strike action once again, doctor. let's return to our panel and ask them about this. let's join martin again. walks to leave my walk—out in

wales are on hold because talks are taking place, bring us up—to—date on what is happening in wales? there have been ten _ what is happening in wales? there have been ten days _ what is happening in wales? there have been ten days of _ what is happening in wales? there have been ten days of industrial i have been ten days of industrial action since january in wales. but, they have reached a point where there is negotiations are continuing between the boss government, and hs wales which is controlled by the boss government and the bma and actually the welsh government has and statements it's made really sought to draw a bit of distinction between the way that is handling the dispute with the way it is being handled in england for example, there was a statement made a few weeks ago at a time when it was decided that would be more negotiations when the boss government said, this is a government said, this is a government that listens and engages with us to find solutions and there's obvious a implicit criticism

of the uk government there. so of course, ultimately, there remains difficulty because of the welsh government's ability to pay, have large pay raises of the kind requested by the doctors in order to restore their purchasing power is not entirely up to the welsh government at all because it depends on its funding from a grant from westminster. so that puts a constraint on what they can do. it is interesting to make this comparison.— is interesting to make this comarison. . ~' . is interesting to make this comarison. ., ,, . ., comparison. thank you so much from the view from — comparison. thank you so much from the view from wales _ comparison. thank you so much from the view from wales there. _ comparison. thank you so much from the view from wales there. that - comparison. thank you so much from the view from wales there. that is i the view from wales there. that is martin shipton. martin, lucy and i will be back with you all after the break. hello. it's been another day of heavy

downpours for some parts of the uk. i think they will become fewer and further between as we head towards the weekend. and even today, some of us got to see some sunshine. gorgeous scenes there for a weather watcher in whitstable in kent. but this area of low pressure still close by, so there is a bit more rain to come. in fact, this little weather feature bringing some really heavy downpours southwards across scotland and then getting down into parts of northern england as we head on through the night. we will also see some showers for northern ireland, pushing down into wales and the south—west of england, but many other areas starting tomorrow morning on a dry note. temperatures surrounds nine, ten or 11 degrees. so into tomorrow morning, this band of cloud and rain, quite heavy bursts of rain still, pushing southwards across northern england, down into wales, into the midlands, east anglia, and then getting down towards the south coast, where it'll break up into some sharp and perhaps thundery showers. more cloud and rain for this east coast of england. that will make it feel quite disappointing, particularly when combined with the strength of the wind. further west, not as many showers,

more dry weather, some spells of sunshine and temperatures perhaps getting up to around 19 or possibly 20 degrees in sheltered spots. now, as we move out of thursday into friday, the focus shifts from this area of low pressure, which starts to roll away eastwards. the focus shifting to this area of high pressure just starting to build in from the west. now, still cloud and some showery rain across some eastern counties of england, but further north and west, it should be largely dry, spells of sunshine. a bit more cloud here, as well, into the north—west of scotland. maybe only 1a degrees for stornoway, but given some sunshine, glasgow could get to 19. 19 in cardiff as well. some spots likely to get to 20 degrees. and this area of high pressure still with us as we head into the weekend, but with some fairly large areas of cloud circulating around it. so it won't always be sunny. on saturday, it does look like we'll see quite a lot of cloud across parts of england, maybe into wales. and another bank of cloud trying to roll into northern ireland and the north—west of scotland. but where we do see some sunshine,

temperatures doing quite nicely, 20, perhaps up to 21 degrees. and as we head into the second half of the weekend, i think similar temperatures, high—teens, low—20s celsius. a fair amount of cloud at times, but still with some spells of sunshine.