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is there a purge of the left? and the decision that will resonate around _ and the decision that will resonate around the — and the decision that will resonate around the world. what will trump's trial mean— around the world. what will trump's trial mean for his election chances? —— trump's trial. welcome to newsnight,
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live each weeknight at 10:30pm. our political panel with us this evening — samuel kasumu, who was a special advisor to borisjohnson — he resigned as the former pm's race advisor. and coco khan, who is co—host of left—leaning podcast, save the uk. welcome to verified live. —— welcomed to newsnight. we're starting tonight as we did last night talking about diane abbott. back now as a labour mp having been suspended, but uncertain, it would seem, about whether she would be able to stand at this election if she wanted to. she says been barred — sir keir starmer says that's not true. here she is tonight at a rally in her london constituency. i promise you that, as long as it is possible, i will be the member of parliament for hackney north and stoke newington. cheering
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and other labour candidates on the left are also being blocked, they say, or are on the verge of being blocked from standing in the election. iam finding i am finding it all very dismaying. labour should be a broad church, it should be how it works best. they run the gamut of all sorts of people, all sorts of demographics. the question i have is, are you so thin—skinned, i directed to the leadership, that we talking a handful of voices we have just slightly different views that we cannot bring those people in, and when we come back to diane abbott, she is beloved, very few people of our politicians to get voters out onto the street to support them, do they not want a winning politician in their midst? it is really sad. at worst they have handled it badly. it has been a cack—handed x investigation, and at worst this is factional manoeuvring and most of us were labour voters want a big,
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confident, generous labour party, will be very sad.— confident, generous labour party, will be ve sad. ., , ., will be very sad. samuel kasumu, how do ou will be very sad. samuel kasumu, how do you think — will be very sad. samuel kasumu, how do you think keir _ will be very sad. samuel kasumu, how do you think keir starmer _ will be very sad. samuel kasumu, how do you think keir starmer is _ do you think keir starmer is handling this? his do you think keir starmer is handling this?— do you think keir starmer is handling this? do you think keir starmer is handlin: this? , ., , ., handling this? his actions are quite shockina. handling this? his actions are quite shocking- in _ handling this? his actions are quite shocking. in 2020 _ handling this? his actions are quite shocking. in 2020 was _ handling this? his actions are quite shocking. in 2020 was talking - handling this? his actions are quite | shocking. in 2020 was talking about black_ shocking. in 2020 was talking about black lives — shocking. in 2020 was talking about black lives matter and now he is trying _ black lives matter and now he is trying to — black lives matter and now he is trying to cancel the first black member_ trying to cancel the first black member of parliament, a woman member of parliament in the history of this country _ of parliament in the history of this country. either he has been lying to the british— country. either he has been lying to the british public about what he knew _ the british public about what he knew about the situation, or members of his— knew about the situation, or members of his team _ knew about the situation, or members of his team are doing things that are frankly disgraceful. no matter what your— are frankly disgraceful. no matter what your politics and mine are very different _ what your politics and mine are very different to — what your politics and mine are very different to those of coco, she has apologised, gone in training and been _ apologised, gone in training and been given a warning, all of these things— been given a warning, all of these things happen before this played out so the _ things happen before this played out so the actions of keir starmer have been _ so the actions of keir starmer have been frankly disgraceful and called into question his character. nick's here, too —
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bring us up to speed, nick. it is interesting. across the political _ it is interesting. across the political spectrum, - it is interesting. across the political spectrum, we - it is interesting. across the political spectrum, we had | it is interesting. across the - political spectrum, we had very strong — political spectrum, we had very strong criticism _ political spectrum, we had very strong criticism of— political spectrum, we had very strong criticism of keir- political spectrum, we had very strong criticism of keir starmer political spectrum, we had very- strong criticism of keir starmer and from _ strong criticism of keir starmer and from the _ strong criticism of keir starmer and from the labour— strong criticism of keir starmer and from the labour left _ strong criticism of keir starmer and from the labour left we _ strong criticism of keir starmer and from the labour left we have - strong criticism of keir starmer and from the labour left we have very l from the labour left we have very strong _ from the labour left we have very strong thoughts. _ from the labour left we have very strong thoughts. they _ from the labour left we have very strong thoughts. they believe - from the labour left we have veryi strong thoughts. they believe that from the labour left we have very . strong thoughts. they believe that a purge _ strong thoughts. they believe that a purge is _ strong thoughts. they believe that a purge is under— strong thoughts. they believe that a purge is under way— strong thoughts. they believe that a purge is under way right— strong thoughts. they believe that a purge is under way right now- strong thoughts. they believe that a purge is under way right now of- strong thoughts. they believe that al purge is under way right now of some of their— purge is under way right now of some of their candidates. _ purge is under way right now of some of their candidates. this _ purge is under way right now of some of their candidates. this evening - purge is under way right now of some of their candidates. this evening we i of their candidates. this evening we learned _ of their candidates. this evening we learned that — of their candidates. this evening we learned that a — of their candidates. this evening we learned that a prominent _ of their candidates. this evening we learned that a prominent jeremy - learned that a prominent jeremy corbyn _ learned that a prominent jeremy corbyn supporter _ learned that a prominent jeremy corbyn supporter was _ learned that a prominent jeremy corbyn supporter was told - learned that a prominent jeremy corbyn supporter was told she i learned that a prominent jeremy - corbyn supporter was told she would not be _ corbyn supporter was told she would not be able — corbyn supporter was told she would not be able to — corbyn supporter was told she would not be able to stand _ corbyn supporter was told she would not be able to stand as _ corbyn supporter was told she would not be able to stand as a _ corbyn supporter was told she would not be able to stand as a labour- not be able to stand as a labour candidate, — not be able to stand as a labour candidate, you _ not be able to stand as a labour candidate, you will _ not be able to stand as a labour candidate, you will be _ not be able to stand as a labour candidate, you will be shortly i candidate, you will be shortly interviewing _ candidate, you will be shortly interviewing faiza _ candidate, you will be shortly interviewing faiza shaheen. candidate, you will be shortly . interviewing faiza shaheen who candidate, you will be shortly - interviewing faiza shaheen who was due to _ interviewing faiza shaheen who was due to stand — interviewing faiza shaheen who was due to stand against _ interviewing faiza shaheen who was due to stand against iain— interviewing faiza shaheen who was due to stand against iain duncan- due to stand against iain duncan smith— due to stand against iain duncan smith in— due to stand against iain duncan smith in chingford _ due to stand against iain duncan smith in chingford and - due to stand against iain duncan| smith in chingford and woodford green _ smith in chingford and woodford green as— smith in chingford and woodford green as she _ smith in chingford and woodford green as she did _ smith in chingford and woodford green as she did in— smith in chingford and woodford green as she did in 2019 - smith in chingford and woodford. green as she did in 2019 gradually increase _ green as she did in 2019 gradually increase the — green as she did in 2019 gradually increase the labour— green as she did in 2019 gradually increase the labour vote, - green as she did in 2019 gradually increase the labour vote, but - increase the labour vote, but yesterday— increase the labour vote, but yesterday she _ increase the labour vote, but yesterday she was _ increase the labour vote, but yesterday she was called - increase the labour vote, but yesterday she was called to l increase the labour vote, but yesterday she was called to a j increase the labour vote, but - yesterday she was called to a change of circumstance _ yesterday she was called to a change of circumstance interview _ yesterday she was called to a change of circumstance interview with - yesterday she was called to a change of circumstance interview with a - of circumstance interview with a panel _ of circumstance interview with a panel of — of circumstance interview with a panel of labour's _ of circumstance interview with a panel of labour's national- of circumstance interview with a - panel of labour's national executive committee — panel of labour's national executive committee and _ panel of labour's national executive committee and they— panel of labour's national executive committee and they highlighted - panel of labour's national executive committee and they highlighted 14 i committee and they highlighted 14 examples — committee and they highlighted 14 examples which _ committee and they highlighted 14 examples which raise _ committee and they highlighted 14 examples which raise questions i committee and they highlighted 14 i examples which raise questions about her suitability— examples which raise questions about her suitability as _ examples which raise questions about her suitability as a _ examples which raise questions about her suitability as a labour _ her suitability as a labour candidate _ her suitability as a labour candidate. one _ her suitability as a labour candidate. one of- her suitability as a labour candidate. one of them . her suitability as a labour - candidate. one of them dated back her suitability as a labour _ candidate. one of them dated back to 2014. _ candidate. one of them dated back to 2014. where _ candidate. one of them dated back to 2014. where she _ candidate. one of them dated back to 2014, where she tweeted, _ candidate. one of them dated back to 2014, where she tweeted, her- 2014, where she tweeted, her happiness, _ 2014, where she tweeted, her happiness. that— 2014, where she tweeted, her happiness, that a _ 2014, where she tweeted, her happiness, that a friend - 2014, where she tweeted, her happiness, that a friend of. 2014, where she tweeted, her. happiness, that a friend of hers 2014, where she tweeted, her- happiness, that a friend of hers had been _ happiness, that a friend of hers had been selected — happiness, that a friend of hers had been selected as _ happiness, that a friend of hers had been selected as a _ happiness, that a friend of hers had been selected as a green _ happiness, that a friend of hers had been selected as a green candidate| been selected as a green candidate and at _
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been selected as a green candidate and at that— been selected as a green candidate and at that point _ been selected as a green candidate and at that point she _ been selected as a green candidate and at that point she was _ been selected as a green candidate and at that point she was not - been selected as a green candidate and at that point she was not evenl been selected as a green candidatel and at that point she was not even a labour— and at that point she was not even a labour party— and at that point she was not even a labour party member. _ and at that point she was not even a labour party member. another- and at that point she was not even a | labour party member. another when they pick— labour party member. another when they pick up— labour party member. another when they pick up on — labour party member. another when they pick up on was _ labour party member. another when they pick up on was lacking - labour party member. another when they pick up on was lacking a - labour party member. another when they pick up on was lacking a tweet l they pick up on was lacking a tweet by phitip _ they pick up on was lacking a tweet by philip lemoine _ they pick up on was lacking a tweet by philip lemoine who— they pick up on was lacking a tweet by philip lemoine who describes i by philip lemoine who describes himself— by philip lemoine who describes himself as — by philip lemoine who describes himself as a _ by philip lemoine who describes himself as a french _ by philip lemoine who describes| himself as a french philosopher, by philip lemoine who describes i himself as a french philosopher, in which _ himself as a french philosopher, in which he _ himself as a french philosopher, in which he talks— himself as a french philosopher, in which he talks about _ himself as a french philosopher, in which he talks about the _ himself as a french philosopher, in which he talks about the israel - which he talks about the israel tobby~ — which he talks about the israel tobby~ she _ which he talks about the israel lobby. she said _ which he talks about the israel lobby. she said that _ which he talks about the israel lobby. she said that she - which he talks about the israel lobby. she said that she did i which he talks about the israel. lobby. she said that she did like it, lobby. she said that she did like it. but— lobby. she said that she did like it. but in— lobby. she said that she did like it. but in nty— lobby. she said that she did like it, but in my mind _ lobby. she said that she did like it, but in my mind i— lobby. she said that she did like it, but in my mind i was- lobby. she said that she did like - it, but in my mind i was bookmarking it, but in my mind i was bookmarking it for— it, but in my mind i was bookmarking it for research, — it, but in my mind i was bookmarking it for research, i'm _ it, but in my mind i was bookmarking it for research, i'm an— it, but in my mind i was bookmarking it for research, i'm an academic, - it, but in my mind i was bookmarking it for research, i'm an academic, i. it for research, i'm an academic, i was not _ it for research, i'm an academic, i was not endorsing _ it for research, i'm an academic, i was not endorsing it— it for research, i'm an academic, i was not endorsing it but— it for research, i'm an academic, i was not endorsing it but what- it for research, i'm an academic, i was not endorsing it but what the| was not endorsing it but what the labour party— was not endorsing it but what the labour party picked _ was not endorsing it but what the labour party picked up— was not endorsing it but what the labour party picked up on- was not endorsing it but what the labour party picked up on was . was not endorsing it but what thel labour party picked up on was this tweet— labour party picked up on was this tweet by— labour party picked up on was this tweet by phitip _ labour party picked up on was this tweet by philip lemoine _ labour party picked up on was this tweet by philip lemoine who said. tweet by philip lemoine who said every— tweet by philip lemoine who said every time — tweet by philip lemoine who said every time you _ tweet by philip lemoine who said every time you say— tweet by philip lemoine who said every time you say something. tweet by philip lemoine who said . every time you say something mildly critical— every time you say something mildly critical of— every time you say something mildly critical of israel you _ every time you say something mildly critical of israel you are _ critical of israel you are immediately— critical of israel you are immediately assailed . critical of israel you are | immediately assailed by critical of israel you are - immediately assailed by scores critical of israel you are _ immediately assailed by scores of hysterical— immediately assailed by scores of hysterical people _ immediately assailed by scores of hysterical people who _ immediately assailed by scores of hysterical people who explain - immediately assailed by scores of hysterical people who explain to i immediately assailed by scores of. hysterical people who explain to you how you're _ hysterical people who explain to you how you're completely _ hysterical people who explain to you how you're completely wrong - hysterical people who explain to you how you're completely wrong and i how you're completely wrong and biased _ how you're completely wrong and biased against _ how you're completely wrong and biased against israel, _ how you're completely wrong and biased against israel, and - how you're completely wrong and biased against israel, and the - how you're completely wrong and | biased against israel, and the talk about— biased against israel, and the talk about how— biased against israel, and the talk about how they— biased against israel, and the talk about how they criticise _ biased against israel, and the talk about how they criticise the - biased against israel, and the talkj about how they criticise the israeli government— about how they criticise the israeli government but— about how they criticise the israeli government but if— about how they criticise the israeli government but if you _ about how they criticise the israeli government but if you are - government but if you are criticising _ government but if you are criticising israel, - government but if you are criticising israel, that - government but if you are criticising israel, that is l government but if you are - criticising israel, that is getting into trouble _ criticising israel, that is getting into trouble some, _ criticising israel, that is gettingi into trouble some, troublesome territory~ — into trouble some, troublesome territory~ and _ into trouble some, troublesome territory. and there _ into trouble some, troublesome territory. and there are - into trouble some, troublesome territory. and there are other. territory. and there are other examples. _ territory. and there are other examples, lloyd _
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territory. and there are other. examples, lloyd russell—moyle, territory. and there are other- examples, lloyd russell—moyle, the labour— examples, lloyd russell—moyle, the labour mp_ examples, lloyd russell—moyle, the labour mp for— examples, lloyd russell—moyle, the labour mp for brighton _ examples, lloyd russell—moyle, the labour mp for brighton kemptown, i labour mp for brighton kemptown, effectivety — labour mp for brighton kemptown, effectively told _ labour mp for brighton kemptown, effectively told he _ labour mp for brighton kemptown, effectively told he cannot _ labour mp for brighton kemptown, effectively told he cannot stand - effectively told he cannot stand because — effectively told he cannot stand because the _ effectively told he cannot stand because the labour— effectively told he cannot stand because the labour party - effectively told he cannot stand because the labour party says. effectively told he cannot stand i because the labour party says it received — because the labour party says it received a — because the labour party says it received a serious _ because the labour party says it received a serious allegation - received a serious allegation against _ received a serious allegation against him. _ received a serious allegation against him, they— received a serious allegation against him, they are - received a serious allegation against him, they are doingi received a serious allegation . against him, they are doing an investigation _ against him, they are doing an investigation that— against him, they are doing an investigation that will- against him, they are doing an investigation that will be - against him, they are doing an - investigation that will be complete until investigation that will be complete untit after— investigation that will be complete until after the _ investigation that will be complete until after the general— investigation that will be complete until after the general election. i investigation that will be complete| until after the general election. he describes— until after the general election. he describes this _ until after the general election. he describes this complaint _ until after the general election. he describes this complaint as - describes this complaint as vexatious _ describes this complaint as vexatious and _ describes this complaint as vexatious and politically. describes this complaint as - vexatious and politically motivated and believing — vexatious and politically motivated and believing absolutely _ vexatious and politically motivated and believing absolutely that - vexatious and politically motivated and believing absolutely that he i and believing absolutely that he will be — and believing absolutely that he will be exonerated. _ and believing absolutely that he will be exonerated. and - and believing absolutely that he will be exonerated. and we - and believing absolutely that hel will be exonerated. and we have heard _ will be exonerated. and we have heard what — will be exonerated. and we have heard what you _ will be exonerated. and we have heard what you are _ will be exonerated. and we have heard what you are saying - will be exonerated. and we have heard what you are saying about| heard what you are saying about diane _ heard what you are saying about diane abbott _ heard what you are saying about diane abbott making _ heard what you are saying about diane abbott making it - heard what you are saying about diane abbott making it clear- heard what you are saying about - diane abbott making it clear tonight that she _ diane abbott making it clear tonight that she intends _ diane abbott making it clear tonight that she intends to _ diane abbott making it clear tonight that she intends to stand _ diane abbott making it clear tonight that she intends to stand so - diane abbott making it clear tonight that she intends to stand so the - that she intends to stand so the view— that she intends to stand so the view from — that she intends to stand so the view from the _ that she intends to stand so the view from the left _ that she intends to stand so the view from the left is _ that she intends to stand so the view from the left is that - that she intends to stand so the view from the left is that is - that she intends to stand so the view from the left is that is a i view from the left is that is a purge — view from the left is that is a purge going _ view from the left is that is a purge going on— view from the left is that is a purge going on and - view from the left is that is a purge going on and they- view from the left is that is a| purge going on and they note view from the left is that is a - purge going on and they note that tonight— purge going on and they note that tonight three _ purge going on and they note that tonight three starmer— purge going on and they note that tonight three starmer loyalist - tonight three starmer loyalist clinic— tonight three starmer loyalist ctinic had _ tonight three starmer loyalist clinic had been— tonight three starmer loyalist clinic had been selected - tonight three starmer loyalist clinic had been selected as i tonight three starmer loyalist - clinic had been selected as labour candidates — clinic had been selected as labour candidates. on— clinic had been selected as labour candidates. on the _ clinic had been selected as labour candidates. on the starmer- clinic had been selected as labour candidates. on the starmer teaml clinic had been selected as labour. candidates. on the starmer team on that idea _ candidates. on the starmer team on that idea of— candidates. on the starmer team on that idea of a — candidates. on the starmer team on that idea of a purge, _ candidates. on the starmer team on that idea of a purge, absolutely- candidates. on the starmer team on that idea of a purge, absolutely noti that idea of a purge, absolutely not at att~ _ that idea of a purge, absolutely not at att~ new— that idea of a purge, absolutely not at all. new information _ that idea of a purge, absolutely not at all. new information they - that idea of a purge, absolutely not at all. new information they say - that idea of a purge, absolutely not| at all. new information they say has come _ at all. new information they say has come to— at all. new information they say has come to about, _ at all. new information they say has come to about, and _ at all. new information they say has come to about, and we _ at all. new information they say has come to about, and we are - at all. new information they say has| come to about, and we are following the rules _ come to about, and we are following the rules. earlier— come to about, and we are following the rules. earlier today— come to about, and we are following the rules. earlier today the - come to about, and we are following the rules. earlier today the labour. the rules. earlier today the labour leader— the rules. earlier today the labour leader was — the rules. earlier today the labour leader was asked _ the rules. earlier today the labour leader was asked about _ the rules. earlier today the labour leader was asked about diane - leader was asked about diane abbott's — leader was asked about diane abbott's claimed _ leader was asked about diane abbott's claimed that - leader was asked about diane abbott's claimed that she - leader was asked about diane abbott's claimed that she had| leader was asked about diane - abbott's claimed that she had been blocked _ abbott's claimed that she had been blocked from — abbott's claimed that she had been blocked from standing. _ abbott's claimed that she had been blocked from standing. this - abbott's claimed that she had been blocked from standing. this is - abbott's claimed that she had beenj blocked from standing. this is what keir starmer— blocked from standing. this is what keir starmer had _ blocked from standing. this is what keir starmer had to— blocked from standing. this is what keir starmer had to say. _
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no, that's not true. no decision has been taken to bar diane abbott. the process that we were going through ended with the restoration of the whip the other day. so, she is a member of the parliamentary labour party. and no decision has been taking barring her. we asked for an interview with anyone from the labour front bench, and we were told no—one was available. we also asked a number of mps supportive of keir starmer and other figures close to the labour leader — they gave us the same answer. let's speak to one woman who says she fears she's about to be barred from standing for labour. she was labour's candidate in 2019 in chingford & woodford green and, last thursday, launched her campaign to contest the seat again this year. fa iza faiza shaheen, thank you for talking to us. are you the labour candidate for chingford and woodford green? i thought i was and then literally just got an e—mail so i am in a bit
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ofa state of just got an e—mail so i am in a bit of a state of shock, to be honest. a long time, ijust had a baby, i went back and had a cesarean section and i was knocking on doors six weeks after my baby was born, i have put so much effort into that seat. people know me. 40—50 people turned up people know me. 40—50 people turned up to help me canvas. there are hundreds of posters in people's windows. you go into the coffee shop and you can see my leaflets. people came to knock the door for me, kids from local school, it is my area, i grew up there, my hospital that i was born in, my community. i am just in a state of shock, to be honest. you got an e—mail tonight, when? just like one hour ago. saying that, i am out campaigning and my phone is blowing up, they have briefed the press before they even had the decency to call me and talk to me.
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there was a meeting yesterday. my baby cried through half of it so i don't know how they came to a decision because i could not even hear their questions. you know, 14 tweets since 2014, ten years, three of those were about the green party. and, like, me liking my friend's tweet before ijoined the labour party. and one of them was about my experiences of islamophobia in the party. how am i not allowed to talk about my experiences of islamophobia and the double standards that i've seen and that we see with diane abbott, for instance? honestly, i am just so shocked right now to be treated this badly, after being such an active member of the party, and you know, we were one of the tiny number, six tory held seats that had
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a swing to labour. to act like i am some kind of person that isn't good at elections, that frustrates labour's purpose. i mean, you know... is labour's purpose. i mean, you know... , ., ., ., know... is that what the e-mail said, know... is that what the e-mail said. that _ know... is that what the e-mail said. that you _ know... is that what the e-mail said, that you would _ know... is that what the e-mail said, that you would just - know... is that what the e-mail said, that you would just write l said, that you would just write labour's purpose of winning this election? i labour's purpose of winning this election? . labour's purpose of winning this election?_ i'm - labour's purpose of winning this election?_ i'm going i labour's purpose of winning this election?_ i'm going to labour's purpose of winning this - election?_ i'm going to put election? i mean... i'm going to put to ou election? i mean... i'm going to put to you what — election? i mean... i'm going to put to you what the _ election? i mean... i'm going to put to you what the jewish _ election? i mean... i'm going to put to you what the jewish labour - to you what thejewish labour movement said about one of the tweets that you like, and it mentioned it, this was a quote, "we have received a number of complaints about the tweet that you like from localjewish members who are concerned about the tone of ms shaheen's tweets. the tweet you that talks about the israel lobby and says that any time you say something mildly critical of israel you are assailed by scores of hysterical people explain how you're completely wrong, you are biased against israel
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and moreover you cannot easily ignore them because there was a drop —— notjust random people, they tend to be friends or people who moved in the same circles as you, mobilised by professional organisations. tibia by professional organisations. ok, so i do by professional organisations. ok, so i do want _ by professional organisations. ok, so i do want to _ by professional organisations. ok, so i do want to say _ by professional organisations. oi, so i do want to say that if by professional organisations. oi so i do want to say that if you see that tweet, it was a retweet of a sketch byjon stewart. i bought the john stewart sketch, but i wouldn't even have ordinarily lacked that. honestly it was the middle of the night, i was probably with a baby, breast—feeding. i don't even remember liking that tweet. i know what is wrong with it, of course. about there being professional organisations, it plays into a troop, and i don't agree with that and i am sorry about that and expressed that at that meeting, with my crying baby, but that is one tweet. i have organised interfaith
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meetings with the local rabbi after the hamas attacks. and the imam, together. i have done a lot of work. i have a look of supporters. i can tell you that there are a lot more jewish members who would offer support to me, who helped me to organise that interfaith vigil. whether you remember it or not you like to tweet that is offensive to some people because it plays into that anti—semitic trope. just some people because it plays into that anti-semitic trope. just liking a tweet, that anti-semitic trope. just liking a tweet. which _ that anti-semitic trope. just liking a tweet, which you _ that anti-semitic trope. just liking a tweet, which you can _ that anti-semitic trope. just liking a tweet, which you can do - that anti-semitic trope. just liking a tweet, which you can do that - that anti-semitic trope. just liking | a tweet, which you can do thatjust a tweet, which you can do thatjust a touch of a hand? i cannot believe, honestly, ifeel a touch of a hand? i cannot believe, honestly, i feel foolish.— honestly, i feel foolish. why? because everyone _ honestly, i feel foolish. why? because everyone said - honestly, i feel foolish. why? because everyone said that i l honestly, i feel foolish. why? i because everyone said that i was honestly, i feel foolish. why? - because everyone said that i was the one socialist that was running, that it was a surprise i wasn't blocked earlier. everyone knows that. and of course, of course, you know, they were going to come for me, and i did
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something stupid, and honestly, i don't remember liking that and any new mum will know what that is like, but i have done so much work in the community bringing people of different faiths together. it is something that i really enjoy doing. that interfaith vigil was amazing. what do you want to say to the labor leader tonight? what do you want to say to the labor leadertonight? i what do you want to say to the labor leader tonight?— leader tonight? i have supported the labour party — leader tonight? i have supported the labour party for— leader tonight? i have supported the labour party for a — leader tonight? i have supported the labour party for a long _ leader tonight? i have supported the labour party for a long time, - leader tonight? i have supported the labour party for a long time, and - leader tonight? i have supported the labour party for a long time, and i l labour party for a long time, and i want the labour party to do well, but what i would say is that, on top of gaza, on top of diane abbott and now this to me, when there are such clear double standards of how other people have been treated when they have said racist things. i didn't retweet it, ijust liked it, and there is little agree a sketch by jon stewart that has probably thousands of likes to say, what message are you sending to my
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community? what message are you sending the black community? yes, labour is really ahead in the polls, but our communities have really supported labour, and we are being tossed aside, in a way that is so harsh, and i know that i shouldn't be surprised, but, you know, iam in a state of shock, honestly. like i say, i have let my baby at home, like, crying. ijust don't understand how they can do this on the basis of this one thing. and i literally was having coffee yesterday with the rabbi. you will have thought _ yesterday with the rabbi. you will have thought this _ yesterday with the rabbi. you will have thought this yourself, - yesterday with the rabbi. you will. have thought this yourself, because youridea have thought this yourself, because your idea logically much closer to jeremy corbyn than keir starmer, jeremy corbyn than keir starmer, jeremy corbyn than keir starmer, jeremy corbyn is obviously no longer in labour, is labour still the party for you?
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in labour, is labour still the party for ou? ., ~ in labour, is labour still the party for ou? ., ,, ., for you? that, i think the labour pa , for you? that, i think the labour party. because _ for you? that, i think the labour party, because we _ for you? that, i think the labour party, because we have - for you? that, i think the labour party, because we have the - for you? that, i think the labour. party, because we have the political system that we do, needs to be a broad church. from what i can see thatis broad church. from what i can see that is happening, that is, you know, becoming more difficult. iam a strong supporter of palestine. i do watch the news. and i am worried at what is happening, i was hoping to be a strong voice for human rights, i'm not ashamed to say that, i have expressed that within the party and within meetings, i am really concerned about how i feel about the stance that the labour party took early on with gaza, i am proud to say that i support them. could this be the point where people on the left leave labour, split from labour? i on the left leave labour, split from labour? ~ ., on the left leave labour, split from labour? ,, ., ., ., on the left leave labour, split from labour? ,, l, l, l, , , labour? i think a lot of members have already _ labour? i think a lot of members have already left. _ labour? i think a lot of members have already left. yeah, - labour? i think a lot of members have already left. yeah, i - labour? i think a lot of members have already left. yeah, i mean, | labour? i think a lot of members l have already left. yeah, i mean, i do want to say while i am here that there are so many people have supported me on this journey,
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there are so many people have supported me on thisjourney, i there are so many people have supported me on this journey, i was one of the very few socialist to win selection, so many people have helped me, my phone is blowing up the local people trying to organise a rally, and ijust want to thank my old school teachers and the kids that came out tonight, and i am so sorry, genuinely so sorry that it has come to this. i know that you really wanted me to be your mp and i really wanted me to be your mp and i really wanted me to be your mp and i really wanted that also, because this is my home seat, and my campaign is probably still pinned my profile. did you support keir starmer�*s transformation of the party, as he described it?— described it? absolutely, i have been on panels _ described it? absolutely, i have been on panels before, - described it? absolutely, i have been on panels before, i- described it? absolutely, i have been on panels before, i was i been on panels before, i was reselected in 2022, a lot of these tweets are... i would say that, you know, less about the left, and more about the message to muslims and to black people this week, i think it is really not the message that the party wants to send.—
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is really not the message that the party wants to send. thank you very much for talking _ party wants to send. thank you very much for talking to _ party wants to send. thank you very much for talking to our _ party wants to send. thank you very much for talking to our audience - party wants to send. thank you very much for talking to our audience on | much for talking to our audience on this, we appreciate you to time with your newborn and so on. thank you very much. what are people in labour saying tonight, nick? i very much. what are people in labour saying tonight, nick?— saying tonight, nick? i have not heard from _ saying tonight, nick? i have not heard from the _ saying tonight, nick? i have not heard from the leadership - saying tonight, nick? i have not| heard from the leadership about fazia saleem, and normally what the leadership say is, we don't comment on these internal party matters, but talking generally earlier today to keir starmer loyalists about these cases, they say, look, the party does not do this lightly and it does it on the basis of evidence. but it was interesting what faiza shaheen was interesting what faiza shaheen was saying about how she learnt about what was happening from the press and a very, very strong criticism of people close to keir starmer, it is believed, across the party, that diane abbott, after learning that she had got the whip back, then learned from the press that she would not be allowed to stand as a labour candidate. that obviously is disputed by keir
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starmer. and it is interesting, there is a very, very strong belief that maybe some people noti million miles away from keir starmer, who have been involved in a battle against the left, which they do believe is providing electoral dividends, that they did this, and i spoke to one loyalist who says, there will be a bad moon rising for these people. and there is anger not just on the left, amongst mainstream figures, but what happened was that there was a negotiation to create a golden bridge for diane abbott, that she would be given the whip back, then she would announce that she would be retiring at this election after 37 years, and then the whole party would laud her. and what these loyalists are saying is that this golden bridge has been blown up. let me ask you, coco khan, to react to what faiza shaheen has just told our audience exclusively tonight? i found it terribly painful, the word which came to my mind was unkind. we
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started the conversation talking about diane abbott, i don't think it should be forgotten that 50% of all abuse thrown at mps was thrown at her, and going back to the values of labour, that many of us, i am a labour voter many times myself, is this idea of compassion, care, fairness, kindness. that has been lost in this conversation, hasn't it? �* l, ,, ,, l, it? although sir keir starmer, samuel kasumu, _ it? although sir keir starmer, samuel kasumu, might - it? although sir keir starmer, samuel kasumu, might say i it? although sir keir starmer, i samuel kasumu, might say there it? although sir keir starmer, - samuel kasumu, might say there were people in 2019 who were afraid of the labour party because ofjeremy corbyn, because of people around him, and sir keir starmer�*s project was to rid the party of people like that, he would say, and that could be a vote winner this time? in a functioning _ be a vote winner this time? in a functioning democracy and in a mainstream political party, you cannot— mainstream political party, you cannot be — mainstream political party, you cannot be afraid of having people within _ cannot be afraid of having people within your broad tent that might disagree — within your broad tent that might disagree with you ideological, it 'ust disagree with you ideological, it just can't— disagree with you ideological, it just can't work. i think what we are seeing _ just can't work. i think what we are seeing here — just can't work. i think what we are seeing here is probably a lack of experience in terms of political experience in terms of political experience from keir starmer. perhaps — experience from keir starmer. perhaps he probably has some people
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in his team _ perhaps he probably has some people in his team that are very aggressive, very high on testosterone and not keen to understand how politics can work in a way _ understand how politics can work in a way which — understand how politics can work in a way which is very orderly. having diane _ a way which is very orderly. having diane abbott as a candidate in hackney— diane abbott as a candidate in hackney will not result in keir starmer— hackney will not result in keir starmer not being the prime minister on the _ starmer not being the prime minister on the 4th— starmer not being the prime minister on the 4th ofjuly at 10pm when we hear the _ on the 4th ofjuly at 10pm when we hear the exit polls, it will not have — hear the exit polls, it will not have a — hear the exit polls, it will not have a material impact. and so the issue _ have a material impact. and so the issue is, _ have a material impact. and so the issue is, keir— have a material impact. and so the issue is, keir starmer needs to find a way— issue is, keir starmer needs to find a way to— issue is, keir starmer needs to find a way to get— issue is, keir starmer needs to find a way to get a grip and i am not sure— a way to get a grip and i am not sure he— a way to get a grip and i am not sure he is— a way to get a grip and i am not sure he is going to. you a way to get a grip and i am not sure he is going to.— a way to get a grip and i am not sure he is going to. you work for boris sure he is going to. you work for iboris johnson. — sure he is going to. you work for boris johnson, who _ sure he is going to. you work for boris johnson, who also - sure he is going to. you work for boris johnson, who also got - sure he is going to. you work for boris johnson, who also got rid l sure he is going to. you work for| boris johnson, who also got rid of borisjohnson, who also got rid of people who didn't agree with him. on brexit, in particular. isn't this what strong leaders do? i brexit, in particular. isn't this what strong leaders do? i would not sa so. what strong leaders do? i would not say so- firstly. _ what strong leaders do? i would not say so. firstly, some _ what strong leaders do? i would not say so. firstly, some of— what strong leaders do? i would not say so. firstly, some of the - what strong leaders do? i would not say so. firstly, some of the people | say so. firstly, some of the people that lost— say so. firstly, some of the people that lost the whip were given it back— that lost the whip were given it back and — that lost the whip were given it back and continued as mps and some retired and _ back and continued as mps and some retired and that was their choice. secondly, — retired and that was their choice. secondly, i— retired and that was their choice. secondly, i would say that that was a particular— secondly, i would say that that was a particular political moment where, to break— a particular political moment where, to break the impasse, there was a need _ to break the impasse, there was a need for— to break the impasse, there was a need for particular types of action, but this— need for particular types of action, but this is completely different. he is over— but this is completely different. he is over 20 — but this is completely different. he is over 20 points ahead in most of
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the polls. — is over 20 points ahead in most of the polls, he can do the right thing and have _ the polls, he can do the right thing and have integrity, in fact keir starmer— and have integrity, in fact keir starmer has promised that he will do politic— starmer has promised that he will do politic differently and he will be the one — politic differently and he will be the one reinstalling integrity into politics. — the one reinstalling integrity into politics, this does not like likely is practising what he preaches. diane — is practising what he preaches. diane abbott is beloved in the constituency, that has to be said. if you live in that constituency, i would be livid. i if you live in that constituency, i would be livid.— would be livid. i am livid! it is completely — would be livid. i am livid! it is completely shocking - would be livid. i am livid! it is i completely shocking behaviour. would be livid. i am livid! it is - completely shocking behaviour. the thin . completely shocking behaviour. the thin i completely shocking behaviour. thing i think completely shocking behaviour. iie: thing i think about completely shocking behaviour. tie: thing i think about constantly completely shocking behaviour. i“ie: thing i think about constantly is, like, may be in the short—term, i am not a political strategist, may be in the short—term it might work but in the short—term it might work but in the short—term it might work but in the long term this is going to turn so many groups of people who could potentially be a lifelong labour voters off the party. people like faiza shaheen, _ labour voters off the party. people like faiza shaheen, diane - labour voters off the party. people like faiza shaheen, diane abbott, | labour voters off the party. people i like faiza shaheen, diane abbott, as jeremy corbyn has done, to stand as independents? that jeremy corbyn has done, to stand as independents?— jeremy corbyn has done, to stand as independents? that is up to them but what i can say — independents? that is up to them but what i can say for _ independents? that is up to them but what i can say for sure _ independents? that is up to them but what i can say for sure is, _ independents? that is up to them but what i can say for sure is, i _ independents? that is up to them but what i can say for sure is, i know - what i can say for sure is, i know there is lots of younger voters, particularly basically labour are losing people to the greens, and i would be very wary that those people
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don't come back and you can't take those groups were granted, i feel like they are really taking their core voters, ethnic minority groups, younger people that generally prefer more radical policies particularly around climate and around gaza... i am sure it is a calculated risk, i am sure it is a calculated risk, i am sure it is a calculated risk, i am sure starmer and the leadership are thinking, get rid of some of them, get some of those, but in the long run is it a good idea? interesting what you say about diane abbott _ interesting what you say about diane abbott is _ interesting what you say about diane abbott is beloved because there are starmer— abbott is beloved because there are starmer loyalists, mainstream people who completely get that you don't wantjeremy who completely get that you don't want jeremy corbyn to be a labour candidate — want jeremy corbyn to be a labour candidate because of what happened last time _ candidate because of what happened last time go by the worst result since _ last time go by the worst result since 1935, but they say diane abbott — since 1935, but they say diane abbott is _ since 1935, but they say diane abbott is notjeremy corbyn. she is regarded, _ abbott is notjeremy corbyn. she is regarded, these mainstream people are saying. — regarded, these mainstream people are saying, as an icon of the labour movement, — are saying, as an icon of the labour movement, the first black woman elected _ movement, the first black woman elected to— movement, the first black woman elected to parliament, being there for 37— elected to parliament, being there for 37 years, completely different, and you _ for 37 years, completely different, and you are — for 37 years, completely different, and you are getting this wrong, they are saying — and you are getting this wrong, they are saying. some on the left are now saying _ are saying. some on the left are now saying that _ are saying. some on the left are now saying that they believe that they are being put back into what is called — are being put back into what is called the _ are being put back into what is called the sealed two, that is the phrase _ called the sealed two, that is the phrase that peter mandelson came out
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with in— phrase that peter mandelson came out with in the _ phrase that peter mandelson came out with in the late 1990s when he said that the _ with in the late 1990s when he said that the labour left need to be in a seated _ that the labour left need to be in a seated two — that the labour left need to be in a sealed two and new labour have some sacks _ sealed two and new labour have some sacks between about 1919 seven, the only exceptionjohn sacks between about 1919 seven, the only exception john mcdonnell getting — only exception john mcdonnell getting elected, it was very difficult to get selected as a candidate if you were on the left. -- 1997~— candidate if you were on the left. -- i997~ we _ candidate if you were on the left. -- 1997. we did candidate if you were on the left. —— 1997. we did not find anyone “1997. we did not find anyone available to speak to us tonight, from keir starmer�*s team, that was not for the want of trying on our part. we have got a date for the first head—to—head debate. still time before the end programme, we will talk to you if you are on that labour frontbench. next tuesday on itv, live audience, 9pm, do these debates make a difference? here are clips you might remember. it's not good enough to keep talking about how we need to change politics. i agree with nick.
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i agree with that. david cameron, nick clegg and gordon brown. this may have the feel of popularity contest. the country wants change. but you're saying that we've got to give up our trident submarines, and nuclear weapons now... you've got to get real about the danger that we face. so, we need to be frank— about the cuts that will be needed. we should start with welfare. crosstalk use your vote at this election as a weapon. the farage family were foreigners. precisely. i am married to a foreigner. so are you. we took difficult - decisions together, nick. i can defend all of the decisions we took, and i think— you want to pick and mix of those... the price of nicola sturgeon's support, let's be in no doubt, she's made it absolutely clear, would be a second referendum on the union. i think i want to be able to reply to this nonsense. does the truth matter? i think it does, and i think it's very important. laughter. anti—semitism is an absolute evil
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and scourge within our society. applause this is pure | bermuda triangle stuff. we have heard it time and time again from the labour party during this election campaign. and we will be hearing about little green men, next. coco khan and samuel kasumu are here. your old boss still makes you laugh, samuel, clearly. in terms of keir starmer and rishi sunak, who has got the most to lose out of these debates? . , ,, . debates? clearly keir starmer because he — debates? clearly keir starmer because he is _ debates? clearly keir starmer because he is ahead - debates? clearly keir starmer because he is ahead in - debates? clearly keir starmer because he is ahead in the - debates? clearly keir starmer i because he is ahead in the polls, and rishi sunak has everything to gain. think you will find that rishi sunak is across the detail, when you compare the two, in terms of policy, rishi sunak has an edge, but he also has a 14 year record to defend, so it is going to be tricky, but keir starmer certainly has more to lose. but sorry, what would that 14 year record _ but sorry, what would that 14 year record be? — but sorry, what would that 14 year record be? even when he launched his election. _ record be? even when he launched his election. he— record be? even when he launched his election, he was talking about furlough _ election, he was talking about furlough. that was ages ago! the academies furlough. that was ages ago! i“i;e: academies ocean of furlough. that was ages ago! ii9: academies ocean of schools. there are a lot of things you can dig deep to find. but what is completely
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obvious is that there was a desire for change in the country right now, and so how rishi sunak positions himself as someone who is able to deliver on what the british people want will be a challenge but because he is so far behind in most of the polls he clearly has the most to gain. it polls he clearly has the most to aim , ~ :, polls he clearly has the most to aim , ~ . :, , polls he clearly has the most to ain. , ~ ., ., , gain. it is like a horrible boxing match. gain. it is like a horrible boxing match- it _ gain. it is like a horrible boxing match. it could _ gain. it is like a horrible boxing match. it could be _ gain. it is like a horrible boxing match. it could be worse, - gain. it is like a horrible boxing match. it could be worse, it. gain. it is like a horrible boxing i match. it could be worse, it could be trump — match. it could be worse, it could be trump and _ match. it could be worse, it could be trump and biden. _ match. it could be worse, it could be trump and biden. winding - match. it could be worse, it could be trump and biden. winding me | match. it could be worse, it could i be trump and biden. winding me up a little bit. be trump and biden. winding me up a little bit- did — be trump and biden. winding me up a little bit. did you — be trump and biden. winding me up a little bit. did you see _ be trump and biden. winding me up a little bit. did you see the _ be trump and biden. winding me up a little bit. did you see the little - little bit. did you see the little thing — little bit. did you see the little thing when rishi sunak said that starmer— thing when rishi sunak said that starmer was running scared of the head—to—head to?! by starmer was running scared of the head-to-head to? !_ starmer was running scared of the head-to-head to?! by the way, why is it on itv head-to-head to?! by the way, why is it on "v and — head-to-head to?! by the way, why is it on itv and not _ head-to-head to?! by the way, why is it on itv and not bbc? _ head-to-head to?! by the way, why is it on itv and not bbc? bbc _ head-to-head to?! by the way, why is it on itv and not bbc? bbc one - head-to-head to?! by the way, why is it on itv and not bbc? bbc one is - it on itv and not bbc? bbc one is cominu a it on itv and not bbc? bbc one is coming a bit _ it on itv and not bbc? bbc one is coming a bit later— it on itv and not bbc? bbc one is coming a bit later in _ it on itv and not bbc? bbc one is coming a bit later in the _ it on itv and not bbc? bbc one is| coming a bit later in the campaign. the fact that it is the two of them, i the fact that it is the two of them, i mean. _ the fact that it is the two of them, i mean. it— the fact that it is the two of them, i mean, it could have been better because _ i mean, it could have been better because who are most hard. motivation would be the other progressive parties, who would be very critical— progressive parties, who would be very critical of him, because that is where — very critical of him, because that is where he _ very critical of him, because that is where he is losing people. and who would — is where he is losing people. and who would be hard for rishi sunak to
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face would _ who would be hard for rishi sunak to face would be someone from reform, for example. i don't know if i am going _ for example. i don't know if i am going to — for example. i don't know if i am going to tune in. | for example. i don't know if i am going to tune in.— going to tune in. i bet you well. you mentioned _ going to tune in. i bet you well. you mentioned trump - going to tune in. i bet you well. you mentioned trump and - going to tune in. i bet you well. l you mentioned trump and biden, going to tune in. i bet you well. - you mentioned trump and biden, weeks of testimony and a decision that will resonate across the world, the jury will resonate across the world, the jury in the hush money trial of the former president is considering its verdict. the trial is almost at the end. now the heart of these the accusation that mr trump falsified business records to hide illegal efforts to influence the us presidential back in 2016. he denies all those charges. here he is what he said on the way out of court today. mother teresa could not beat these charges. these charges are rigged, the whole thing is rigged. i'm joined now by anthony scaramucci, who was former president donald trump's director of communications before he was sacked after a mere 11 days. mother teresa could not beat these charges. these charges are rigged, the whole thing is rigged.
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i'm joined now by anthony scaramucci, who was former president donald trump's director of communications before he was sacked after a mere 11 days. he now runs a global alternative investment firm and has just brought out a new book — from wall street to the white house and back. how will mr trump be behaving privately as he awaits the verdict? well, listen, iwas privately as he awaits the verdict? well, listen, i was in the white house for 11 days, but worked on the campaign for almost a year, and did 71 campaign stops with the former president, and so he is under the gun, i don't care who you are, he does not want to be a convicted felon. and he will likely not go to jail, if the charges do stick to him, and there are 30 for charges, and if you look at the facts of the case, i know it is different in the united kingdom, you're not allowed to speak about these verdicts, but the facts and the evidence are pretty clear, so let's just say if if he is convicted, he's got a big problem, because independence in united states, lots of them say they don't want a convicted felon to be
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the president of the united states. —— independents. so we will have to see what happens over the next couple of days. has see what happens over the next coople of days— couple of days. has the trial actually been _ couple of days. has the trial actually been better- couple of days. has the trial actually been better for - couple of days. has the trial i actually been better for trump couple of days. has the trial - actually been better for trump than biden? ~ , :, actually been better for trump than biden? ~ i. ,, ., , biden? well, you know, listen, it has been better— biden? well, you know, listen, it has been better in _ biden? well, you know, listen, it has been better in terms - biden? well, you know, listen, it has been better in terms of- biden? well, you know, listen, it has been better in terms of he i biden? well, you know, listen, it has been better in terms of he is| has been better in terms of he is getting a lot of media exposure, and he has got his minions going there dressed like him to say nice things about him. so, on the margin he has gotten positive media attention for his base. but it is really not better if he gets a conviction here, because a convicted felon on the ballot in november, i think that is pretty damning, and i think that is also, there is a lot of fodder there to run with. it also, there is a lot of fodder there to run with-— also, there is a lot of fodder there to run with. it may be damning but do ou to run with. it may be damning but do you think _ to run with. it may be damning but do you think that _ to run with. it may be damning but do you think that would _ to run with. it may be damning but do you think that would stop - to run with. it may be damning but do you think that would stop him i do you think that would stop him from being voted in again? well. do you think that would stop him from being voted in again? well, i think he is— from being voted in again? well, i think he is going _ from being voted in again? well, i think he is going to _ from being voted in again? well, i think he is going to lose _ from being voted in again? well, i think he is going to lose one - from being voted in again? well, i think he is going to lose one way l from being voted in again? well, i l think he is going to lose one way or another but i do think if he is a convicted felon it is going to be
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