already in the first week of the campaign, including newport, including wrexham. and remember that plaid cymru represents every square inch of wales in the welsh parliament. that is no part of wales where i don't think plaid cymru's message can resonate. yes, of course, the first—past—the—post system and the polarising of an election in the uk media in particular around it being a choice somehow between blue and red, which it isn't, makes things challenging for us. two weeks today we'll hear plaid's manifesto pledges, which will then give the party another three weeks not only to convince supporters but also the welsh public that they can make a difference for wales. tomos morgan, bbc news, bangor. reform uk leader richard tice has proposed a multi—billion pound tax on businesses for employing overseas workers. he and nigel farage spoke in london earlier today, where they outlined the policy to tax employers who hire immigrant workers over british applicants. here he is making the announcement.

but we need is a cure for this addiction. in the cure is an employer immigration tax. that is the cure to this addiction. smart immigration highly qualified, highly skilled, can be a great thing. but there is a price to it, there is a cost to it and that she does at the moment, there is no cost to big business for employing cheap low skilled overseas labor. the main topic on the campaign trail today has been tax — with the conservatives and labour reassuring voters that they wouldn't raise vat if they win the general election. value added tax currently stands at 20% for most items. the liberal democrats also said they would not �*look to raise' vat or income tax. but as our economics editor, faisal islam, reports similar

pledges at the last election didn't stop the tax burden rising to its highest level since the second world war. the town hall meetings, the scoops of ice cream and the campaign water features continue for party leaders. but today's main stunt surrounded the claim and counterclaim over taxation. the conservatives attempting to seize the initiative with a promise emblazoned on a van not to raise vat, and trying to claim labour would do so. the choice at this election is who is going to cut your taxes and who is going to put them up. i am crystal clear that we are already cutting people's taxes and they will continue to come down under a future conservative government. labour, though, confirmed the same broad approach on tax rate rises and notjust on vat. we have been really clear about not raising income tax and national insurance, and we have said repeatedly that

nothing in our plans requires us to raise tax, and that's why we have been able to set out our position on vat as well. in watford, a key battleground seat, market day, election fever yet to grip here, but some signs the economic weather may be getting a little brighter. i am feeling hopeful. get the good weather - and everybody is feeling good. the tax promises from the main parties now appear to disarm what are overwhelmingly the three biggest taxes, income tax, national insurance and vat are nearly two thirds of the entire tax take. a shared pledges that the rates of all three will not be raised, but what does that mean? these are a very curious, even eccentric, set off tax pledges from all the main parties trying to convince voters, even if you park what happened in the past parliament, from now, over the next three years, there is going to be an £11 billion

rise in the tax burden from that ongoing freeze in tax thresholds, even if the rates stay the same, and that's the equivalent of 1p on the basic rate, the higher rate and more. and so it raises the question about whether these tax pledges are actually worth much to voters at all. when they say the tax rates won't go up, what's your feeling? that they will, they will go up. it's definitely going to happen. i don't believe a word that anyone is saying, to be honest. may be, if they have been in a few months they might change your mind is what they say anything to get you to vote for them and then they change their minds. but across the uk most parties were making promises on taxation. taxation should be used prudently, sensibly and predictably, but equally in a way that supports the strongest economy, the very best of public services and the greatest opportunity for people in scotland. ordinary people are already paying way too much tax under the conservatives. the conservatives are going into the action promising more taxes,

they will keep raising income tax on people. in public spending, for example hard—pressed local councils, there have been very few pledges. this could be storing up a problem for after the general election. faisal islam, bbc news, in watford. let's move on to the day's other news now — a nine—year old girl is in a critical condition in hospital, after a shooting in east london. it happened in hackney last night — three adults were also hurt. it's understood the gunshot came from a passing motorbike. thomas magill reports. the terrifying moment after a gunman opened fire into a busy restaurant on kingsland high street, hitting three men sitting outside and a nine—year—old girl enjoying a family meal inside. police say she is now fighting for her life. we do not believe that the girl and the men injured were known to each other. and, as with any child, she was an innocent victim of the indiscriminate nature

of gun crime. specialist armed officers and london ambulance arrived at the scene as onlookers tried to help. one eyewitness described the moment the gunman pulled up outside the restaurant. i was at the shop opposite the cafe where the shooting was. and, there were a lot of people in there screaming. i saw people lying on the floor. i saw a lot of people gathered around. there was a high degree of tension in the air. well, as this investigation continues with forensic officers at the scene, the met has described it as complex and fast—paced. police say they have now recovered the motorbike from a nearby location. the three injured men remain in a stable condition in hospital, as the met confirm there will be a significant police presence in the area to provide support and reassurance to residents in the coming days. thomas magill, bbc news.

mountain rescue teams searching for a father and his 12—year—old son have found two bodies in the scottish highlands. tom and richie parry from cheshire went missing after heading off on a hill walk in glencoe on tuesday. police say there do not appear to be any suspicious circumstances. lorna gordon reports from glencoe. the mountains of glencoe. majestic, challenging and, in changeable conditions, sometimes deadly. thousands of tourists and walkers visit them every year. 12—year—old richie parry and his father tom had been among them. they'd climbed ben nevis before moving on to glencoe. the two had been reported missing after failing to return to their home in cheshire. tom parry�*s colleagues said he would have been well prepared and are devastated their bodies have been found. when going out walking, he would have been meticulous in his walking regime up in scotland. so for us, we just can't understand, really, how this

has happened. for 12 hours, dozens of mountain rescue volunteers, as well as a coastguard helicopter, scoured the mountains. we don't know exactly where the father and son had been walking. but some of the more exposed routes can be treacherous if the weather turns. in poor weather, navigation can be an issue. if you don't know where you're going, you can quite easily wander off into, i suppose, a gulley or an exposed ridge, which is not part of the, if you like, the tourist trip. tourist route. and so poor weather does present the walker with a lot of challenges. glencoe mountain rescue said the pair were experienced walkers. but the number of call—outs here is on the rise, especially from people who are not familiar with scotland's mountains. police say there are no suspicious circumstances surrounding richie and tom parry�*s deaths.

their family now left coming to terms with the father and son's half—term break ending in tragedy on the mountains. lorna gordon, bbc news, glencoe. the role of the princess of wales will be replaced by a member of the armed forces in a ceremonial military event injune, the colonel's review. the princess has not been attending public engagements, since she revealed she was being treated for cancer. buckingham palace has now confirmed that king charles will attend next month's trooping the colour ceremony, which marks the sovereign's official birthday, but will ride in a carriage not on horseback. it's the biggest ever benefits fraud in britain. guynesh ali and four other bulgarians have been jailed after admitting they stole almost £54 million in universal credit. the judge said they'd plundered the state's support mechanism on an industrial scale — stealing "eye—watering sums." the gang were sentenced to between three and eight years in prison. our social affairs correspondent,

michael buchanan, reports. taxpayers' money thrown around like confetti by a multi—million pound fraudster. the scale of the scam astonished investigators, prosecutor said they're flown from bulgaria to london and ids are then used to make claims for the benefit of credit. when the fraudsters for various areas were rated, the found an extraordinary amount of evidence. 900 mobile phones all fully charged, most with the names of false claims

attached. thousands of sim cards also discovered, computers, some open on the universal credit application page, claim of forged documents such as tenancy agreements and earnings from for companies and spreadsheets with the details of the thousands of fraudulent claims they've made. the thousands of fraudulent claims they've made-— thousands of fraudulent claims they've made. the business and related all— they've made. the business and related all on _ they've made. the business and related all on the _ they've made. the business and related all on the plate - they've made. the business and related all on the plate for- they've made. the business and related all on the plate for us i they've made. the business and. related all on the plate for us and expected to go in and find evidence but not on the scale, the magnitude of this was just overwhelming, i think. of this was 'ust overwhelming, i think. ~ , ., , think. when she was arrested, £750,000 — think. when she was arrested, £750,000 in — think. when she was arrested, £750,000 in cash _ think. when she was arrested, £750,000 in cash was - think. when she was arrested, £750,000 in cash was funded | think. when she was arrested, i £750,000 in cash was funded at think. when she was arrested, - £750,000 in cash was funded at home and under her bed and suitcases behind the fridge. today, she received the longest sentence, eight years in prison. the fraud allowed to getting to live a life of luxury, visiting stately homes in one of foreign holidays. they posted pictures from turkey and bought

luxury goods, shoes, cars defrauding the system for years. also critical of the department for work and pensions. the reason the flooded and gone on for so long was because of what he described as the woefully inadequate checking system in place of the dwp at the time which failed to spot the repeated use of the same names, addresses and telephone numbers. the gang were helped by changes made to universal credit during the pandemic, which saw face—to—face meetings suspended in today, they were children more than 25 years in total. prosecutors are not to pursue the gang for any assets they might�*ve part of the proceeds of their crimes, many of the millions they stole were thought to have been spent in bulgaria. a rare glimpse of the beauty of nature has been been captured on a beach in anglesey.

clara taylor from the marine conversation society took these images of a curled octopus changing colour last month. these octopods are masters of camouflage and will alter their appearance and texture depending on their mood or the situation. after its display, it made its way safely back to sea. now, iceland has had major trouble with volcanic activity in recent months, and there is now yet another eruption. these are live pictures from an area in the south—west of the country which is seeing its fifth eruption since december. a state of emergency has been declared in parts, but air travel to and from iceland is not expected to be affected. the small fishing town of grindavik has been evacuated again — along with the country's biggest tourist attraction — the blue lagoon themal spa. time now to digest the day's

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hello, it's adam in the studio. and its chris in — hello, it's adam in the studio. and its chris in the _ hello, it's adam in the studio. fific its chris in the studio. hello, it's adam in the studio. and its chris in the studio. and - hello, it's adam in the studio. and its chris in the studio. and its i its chris in the studio. and its joe in the studio. _ its chris in the studio. and its joe in the studio. and _ its chris in the studio. and its joe in the studio. and its _ its chris in the studio. and its joe in the studio. and its laura i in the studio. and its laura in another studio, _ in the studio. and its laura in another studio, hello. - in the studio. and its laura in another studio, hello. hello. | another studio, hello. hello. everyone _ another studio, hello. hello. everyone has— another studio, hello. hello. everyone has a _ another studio, hello. hello. everyone has a different i everyone has a different description. it was the first full day of campaigning. i feel like todayis day of campaigning. i feel like today is the first day which is been proper politics just unfolding as opposed to a series of stage—managed events. there's been actual noise and news and people have had to react to things that are not necessarily great. i react to things that are not necessarily great.- react to things that are not necessarily great. i think that's re necessarily great. i think that's pretty much — necessarily great. i think that's pretty much it _ necessarily great. i think that's pretty much it it. _ necessarily great. i think that's pretty much it it. i'm _ necessarily great. i think that's pretty much it it. i'm saying i necessarily great. i think that's| pretty much it it. i'm saying it's pretty much it it. i'm saying its day one of week two. that's the point of the psychology of how long it's gone on for. this was the first day. they've been doing this for a week! it's been proper nice, particularly within the labour party. the day started with conservatives and labour singing around the tax questions of vat.

with the noise that's been running for the last couple of days within the labour party, particularly about the labour party, particularly about the party's attitude towards the left, in particular diane abbott, but not exclusively — is still there. yes it allows keir starmer to make an argument about how he claims the party has changed. it also drowns out pretty much anything else that they are trying to say on wider politics. they were meant to be talking of all things about anti—social behaviour. they are in this massive... i anti-social behaviour. they are in this massive. . ._ anti-social behaviour. they are in this massive... i didn't even know that. this massive... i didn't even know that- quite- _ this massive... i didn't even know that. quite. that's _ this massive... i didn't even know that. quite. that's the _ this massive... i didn't even know that. quite. that's the thing. i this massive... i didn't even know| that. quite. that's the thing. what the have that. quite. that's the thing. what they have managed _ that. quite. that's the thing. what they have managed to _ that. quite. that's the thing. what they have managed to do - that. quite. that's the thing. what they have managed to do from i that. quite. that's the thing. what. they have managed to do from their perspective is pull out a sort of good news card from labour hq's perspective because they found another former conservative mp called mark logan who was a conservative mp yesterday, to come out in front of the cameras, talk to me and say he wants keir starmer to

be prime minister. this is a guy who backed rishi sunak in the leadership race in october 22 and was a conservative mp this week. he's now saying he'sjoining conservative mp this week. he's now saying he's joining the conservative mp this week. he's now saying he'sjoining the labour party, he wants keir starmer to become prime minister and i think we can play a little clip. the become prime minister and i think we can play a little clip.— can play a little clip. the time has come to bring _ can play a little clip. the time has come to bring back _ can play a little clip. the time has come to bring back optimism i can play a little clip. the time has i come to bring back optimism within my couldn't — come to bring back optimism within my couldn't tell— come to bring back optimism within my couldn't tell my _ come to bring back optimism within my couldn't tell my constituency. ii my couldn't tell my constituency. i think— my couldn't tell my constituency. i think for— my couldn't tell my constituency. i think for too— my couldn't tell my constituency. i think for too long _ my couldn't tell my constituency. i think for too long there's been i my couldn't tell my constituency. i think for too long there's been a i think for too long there's been a sense _ think for too long there's been a sense of— think for too long there's been a sense of decline, _ think for too long there's been a sense of decline, and _ think for too long there's been a sense of decline, and over- think for too long there's been al sense of decline, and over a long period. _ sense of decline, and over a long period. i've — sense of decline, and over a long period. i'vejust_ sense of decline, and over a long period, i've just felt _ sense of decline, and over a long period, i've just felt that - sense of decline, and over a long period, i've just felt that when i i period, i've just felt that when i look— period, i've just felt that when i took back— period, i've just felt that when i took back to _ period, i've just felt that when i look back to my— period, i've just felt that when i look back to my teenage - period, i've just felt that when i look back to my teenage years. look back to my teenage years in 1997. _ look back to my teenage years in 1997, whenever— look back to my teenage years in 1997, whenever labour— look back to my teenage years in 1997, whenever labour came i look back to my teenage years in 1997, whenever labour came to i look back to my teenage years in i 1997, whenever labour came to the fore - _ 1997, whenever labour came to the fore - we _ 1997, whenever labour came to the fore - we heard _ 1997, whenever labour came to the fore — we heard the _ 1997, whenever labour came to the fore — we heard the song _ 1997, whenever labour came to the fore — we heard the song things i 1997, whenever labour came to the l fore — we heard the song things can only it— fore — we heard the song things can only it better — fore — we heard the song things can only it better - _ fore — we heard the song things can only it better - i— fore — we heard the song things can only it better — ithink_ fore — we heard the song things can only it better — i think we _ fore — we heard the song things can only it better — i think we are - fore — we heard the song things can only it better — i think we are at- only it better — i think we are at that point— only it better — i think we are at that point again. _ only it better — i think we are at that point again. i— only it better - i think we are at that point again.— only it better - i think we are at that point again. i said hang on a minute, that point again. i said hang on a minute. you _ that point again. i said hang on a minute, you are _ that point again. i said hang on a minute, you are quoting - that point again. i said hang on a minute, you are quoting labour'sj minute, you are quoting labour�*s anthem? you are a tory yesterday!

get this has just happened within get this hasjust happened within hours. _ get this hasjust happened within hours, hasn't it? it's also a slight echo— hours, hasn't it? it's also a slight echo of— hours, hasn't it? it's also a slight echo of the — hours, hasn't it? it's also a slight echo of the new music blaring behind rishi sunak— echo of the new music blaring behind rishi sunak when he started the election— rishi sunak when he started the election and called it things can only— election and called it things can only get— election and called it things can only get better. i have totally agree — only get better. i have totally agree that it feels like it's totally— agree that it feels like it's totally under way. it's been fast and furious from last week. on the defections — and furious from last week. on the defections aside, let's put it broadly. _ defections aside, let's put it broadly, we had lee anderson on politics _ broadly, we had lee anderson on politics live — four murdee deputy of conservative party leader going to reform — and we asked him about natalie _ to reform — and we asked him about natalie elphicke. was he disappointed that she hadn't gone to reform? _ disappointed that she hadn't gone to reform? he sort of thought for a moment. — reform? he sort of thought for a moment, and he said, "yeah, that was a bit of— moment, and he said, "yeah, that was a bit of surprise, but labour are welcome — a bit of surprise, but labour are welcome to her." 0h! a bit of surprise, but labour are welcome to her."—

a bit of surprise, but labour are welcome to her." . ., welcome to her." oh! ouch! peace and harmony across — welcome to her." oh! ouch! peace and harmony across the _ welcome to her." oh! ouch! peace and harmony across the board. _ welcome to her." oh! ouch! peace and harmony across the board. i _ harmony across the board. i think it's harmony across the board. i think it's another— harmony across the board. i think it's another very— harmony across the board. i think it's another very embarrassing i it's another very embarrassing moment— it's another very embarrassing moment for— it's another very embarrassing moment for rishi _ it's another very embarrassing moment for rishi sunak. i it's another very embarrassing moment for rishi sunak. a. it's another very embarrassing - moment for rishi sunak. a defection is moment for rishi sunak. a defection is always— moment for rishi sunak. a defection is always a _ moment for rishi sunak. a defection is always a big — moment for rishi sunak. a defection is always a big political _ moment for rishi sunak. a defection is always a big political story, - moment for rishi sunak. a defection is always a big political story, but i is always a big political story, but it is always a big political story, but it feels— is always a big political story, but it feels like — is always a big political story, but it feels like for— is always a big political story, but it feels like for the _ is always a big political story, but it feels like for the tories, - it feels like for the tories, they're _ it feels like for the tories, they're not— it feels like for the tories, they're not becoming i it feels like for the tories, they're not becoming that| it feels like for the tories, i they're not becoming that rare. that's— they're not becoming that rare. that's shifting _ they're not becoming that rare. that's shifting because - they're not becoming that rare. that's shifting because we i they're not becoming that rare. that's shifting because we hadl they're not becoming that rare. - that's shifting because we had mark logan _ that's shifting because we had mark logan 6 _ that's shifting because we had mark logan a few— that's shifting because we had mark logan a few days _ that's shifting because we had mark logan a few days ago, _ that's shifting because we had mark logan a few days ago, lucy- that's shifting because we had mark logan a few days ago, lucy allan, . logan a few days ago, lucy allan, who said — logan a few days ago, lucy allan, who said she _ logan a few days ago, lucy allan, who said she would _ logan a few days ago, lucy allan, who said she would back - logan a few days ago, lucy allan, who said she would back reform i who said she would back reform in telford. _ who said she would back reform in telford, where _ who said she would back reform in telford, where she's— who said she would back reform in telford, where she's been- who said she would back reform in telford, where she's been mp - who said she would back reform in telford, where she's been mp for. who said she would back reform ini telford, where she's been mp for a lon- telford, where she's been mp for a long time — telford, where she's been mp for a long time spin _ telford, where she's been mp for a long time. spin back— telford, where she's been mp for a long time. spin back a _ telford, where she's been mp for a long time. spin back a couple - telford, where she's been mp for a long time. spin back a couple of. long time. spin back a couple of weeks _ long time. spin back a couple of weeks because _ long time. spin back a couple of weeks because had _ long time. spin back a couple of weeks because had it _ long time. spin back a couple of weeks because had it natalie i weeks because had it natalie elphicke _ weeks because had it natalie elphicke and _ weeks because had it natalie elphicke and doctor- weeks because had it natalie elphicke and doctor dan - weeks because had it natalie - elphicke and doctor dan poulter, who was also _ elphicke and doctor dan poulter, who was also unveiled _ elphicke and doctor dan poulter, who was also unveiled by— elphicke and doctor dan poulter, who was also unveiled by labour- elphicke and doctor dan poulter, who was also unveiled by labour as - was also unveiled by labour as crossing — was also unveiled by labour as crossing to— was also unveiled by labour as crossing to the _ was also unveiled by labour as crossing to the conservatives. i was also unveiled by labour as| crossing to the conservatives. i think_ crossing to the conservatives. i think this — crossing to the conservatives. i think this is _ crossing to the conservatives. i think this is another _ crossing to the conservatives. i| think this is another humiliating moment— think this is another humiliating moment for— think this is another humiliating moment for rishi _ think this is another humiliating moment for rishi sunak, - think this is another humiliating moment for rishi sunak, not. think this is another humiliating - moment for rishi sunak, not because of the _ moment for rishi sunak, not because of the comments _ moment for rishi sunak, not because of the comments that _ moment for rishi sunak, not because of the comments that he _ moment for rishi sunak, not because of the comments that he made - moment for rishi sunak, not because of the comments that he made to - moment for rishi sunak, not becausei of the comments that he made to you, chris about _ of the comments that he made to you, chris about the — of the comments that he made to you, chris about the pendulum _ of the comments that he made to you, chris about the pendulum swinging, i chris about the pendulum swinging, but also, _ chris about the pendulum swinging, but also, timing _ chris about the pendulum swinging, but also, timing is _ chris about the pendulum swinging, but also, timing is often _ chris about the pendulum swinging, but also, timing is often so - but also, timing is often so important _ but also, timing is often so important in _ but also, timing is often so

important in politics. - but also, timing is often so important in politics. it's i but also, timing is often so - important in politics. it's come 'ust important in politics. it's come just at— important in politics. it's come just at the _ important in politics. it's come just at the moment _ important in politics. it's come just at the moment when - important in politics. it's come just at the moment when the i important in politics. it's come i just at the moment when the for important in politics. it's come - just at the moment when the for the first time, _ just at the moment when the for the first time, labour's _ just at the moment when the for the first time, labour's found _ just at the moment when the for the first time, labour's found itself - just at the moment when the for the first time, labour's found itself on . first time, labour's found itself on a sticky— first time, labour's found itself on a sticky moment _ first time, labour's found itself on a sticky moment because - first time, labour's found itself on a sticky moment because of- a sticky moment because of everything _ a sticky moment because of everything that's— a sticky moment because of everything that's been - a sticky moment because of| everything that's been going a sticky moment because of- everything that's been going on with diane _ everything that's been going on with diane abbott — everything that's been going on with diane abbott. no _ everything that's been going on with diane abbott. no question - everything that's been going on with diane abbott. no question this - diane abbott. no question this defection— diane abbott. no question this detection is— diane abbott. no question this defection is a _ diane abbott. no question this defection is a big _ diane abbott. no question this defection is a big moment- diane abbott. no question this defection is a big moment in. diane abbott. no question this . defection is a big moment in this campaign — defection is a big moment in this campaign. before _ defection is a big moment in this campaign. before it— defection is a big moment in this campaign. before it happened, l defection is a big moment in this i campaign. before it happened, they were a _ campaign. before it happened, they were a bit— campaign. before it happened, they were a bit coy— campaign. before it happened, they were a bit coy about _ campaign. before it happened, they were a bit coy about more _ campaign. before it happened, they were a bit coy about more people i campaign. before it happened, they. were a bit coy about more people who would _ were a bit coy about more people who would be _ were a bit coy about more people who would be actually _ were a bit coy about more people who would be actually coming _ were a bit coy about more people who would be actually coming over- were a bit coy about more people who would be actually coming over to - were a bit coy about more people who would be actually coming over to the i would be actually coming over to the labour _ would be actually coming over to the labour party — would be actually coming over to the labour party i— would be actually coming over to the labour party. i wonder— would be actually coming over to the labour party. i wonder if— would be actually coming over to the labour party. i wonder if there - would be actually coming over to the labour party. i wonder if there may. labour party. i wonder if there may be any— labour party. i wonder if there may be any more — labour party. i wonder if there may be any more i_ labour party. i wonder if there may be any more. i don't— labour party. i wonder if there may be any more. i don't know. - labour party. i wonder if there may be any more. i don't know. that's i labour party. i wonder if there mayj be any more. i don't know. that's a guess, _ be any more. idon't know. that's a guess, but— be any more. idon't know. that's a guess, but it— be any more. i don't know. that's a guess, but it kind _ be any more. idon't know. that's a guess, but it kind of— be any more. idon't know. that's a guess, but it kind of wouldn't- guess, but it kind of wouldn't surprise _ guess, but it kind of wouldn't surprise me _ guess, but it kind of wouldn't surprise me to _ guess, but it kind of wouldn't surprise me to just _ guess, but it kind of wouldn't surprise me tojust how- guess, but it kind of wouldn't. surprise me to just how carefully planned — surprise me to just how carefully planned these _ surprise me to just how carefully planned these things _ surprise me to just how carefully planned these things have - surprise me to just how carefully planned these things have been. surprise me to just how carefully - planned these things have been. what does it— planned these things have been. what does it feel— planned these things have been. what does it feel to — planned these things have been. what does it feel to you _ planned these things have been. what does it feel to you that _ planned these things have been. what does it feel to you that mark _ does it feel to you that mark logan's _ does it feel to you that mark logan's defection— does it feel to you that mark logan's defection was - does it feel to you that mark - logan's defection was something they've _ logan's defection was something they've had — logan's defection was something they've had on _ logan's defection was something they've had on the _ logan's defection was something they've had on the shelf- logan's defection was something they've had on the shelf for- logan's defection was something they've had on the shelf for a - logan's defection was something . they've had on the shelf for a while waiting for— they've had on the shelf for a while waiting for the _ they've had on the shelf for a while waiting for the right _ they've had on the shelf for a while waiting for the right moment, - they've had on the shelf for a while waiting for the right moment, or. they've had on the shelf for a whilel waiting for the right moment, or did it feel— waiting for the right moment, or did it feel speaking _ waiting for the right moment, or did it feel speaking to _ waiting for the right moment, or did it feel speaking to him _ waiting for the right moment, or did it feel speaking to him that - waiting for the right moment, or did it feel speaking to him that he just. it feel speaking to him that he just woke _ it feel speaking to him that he just woke up— it feel speaking to him that he just woke up this — it feel speaking to him that he just woke up this morning _ it feel speaking to him that he just woke up this morning and - it feel speaking to him that he just. woke up this morning and decided to do it? _ woke up this morning and decided to do it? 50, _ woke up this morning and decided to do it? ~' woke up this morning and decided to do it? ,, .,, do it? so, i think it was somewhere between those _ do it? so, i think it was somewhere between those two _ do it? so, i think it was somewhere between those two points. - do it? so, i think it was somewhere between those two points. i - do it? so, i think it was somewhere between those two points. i put - between those two points. i put to him the whole thing of, why didn't you do what dan poulter and natalie elphicke did and crossed the floor physically? elphicke did and crossed the floor -h sicall ?�* , elphicke did and crossed the floor hsicall? , �*, elphicke did and crossed the floor hsicall? , 2 ., physically? because he's not even auoin to physically? because he's not even going to stand _ physically? because he's not even going to stand as _ physically? because he's not even going to stand as a _ physically? because he's not even going to stand as a labourer - physically? because he's not even going to stand as a labourer mp. l

going to stand as a labourer mp. neither is natalie elphicke or dan poulter — neither is natalie elphicke or dan poulter his — neither is natalie elphicke or dan poulter. . . neither is natalie elphicke or dan poulter. , . ., , ., poulter. his argument was he had been thinking _ poulter. his argument was he had been thinking for _ poulter. his argument was he had been thinking for a _ poulter. his argument was he had been thinking for a long _ poulter. his argument was he had been thinking for a long time. - poulter. his argument was he had been thinking for a long time. he | been thinking for a long time. he knew it was a big deal in politics to do what he's done. his view was that because he was elected as a conservative mp, he felt duty bound to see out his time as that, even though his mind — he said his mind had been shifting. he describes himself as someone who's always been in the centre of politics. he thinks his mind has been changing for a while. he thinks labour have changed, too. he was coming to that logical conclusion in his mind, but felt the timing had to be once his time as a conservative mp was over. the timing as you say helps labour because of all of the other stuff, but it also serves to illustrate rather colourfully that thing going on for labour at the moment and that

accusation from the left. that is here is labour — just to be transparent, i didn't get a call from mr logan himself, i got someone senior in the labour party. they are proud of securing the endorsement of a conservative mp until a matter of hours ago. whilst at the same time, being in a publicly really awkward position and clearly far less than fully welcoming to people who have been for years and years and years — in diane abbott's case, decades and decades. but in diane abbott's case, decades and decades. �* ., , in diane abbott's case, decades and decades. �* . , ., �* , decades. but that is what's so interesting- — decades. but that is what's so interesting. with _ decades. but that is what's so interesting. with the - decades. but that is what's so interesting. with the people l decades. but that is what's so i interesting. with the people who have been interviewed, the intervention that we'll talk about from _ intervention that we'll talk about from the — intervention that we'll talk about from the deputy leader of the labour party. _ from the deputy leader of the labour party. is— from the deputy leader of the labour party, is this underlining what keir starmer— party, is this underlining what keir starmer is — party, is this underlining what keir starmer is so desperate to do? "we are a _ starmer is so desperate to do? "we are a change to labour party, we are taking _ are a change to labour party, we are taking on— are a change to labour party, we are taking on the — are a change to labour party, we are taking on the conservatives, we want to get— taking on the conservatives, we want to get those — taking on the conservatives, we want to get those undecided voters, we want _ to get those undecided voters, we want to— to get those undecided voters, we want to get those who perhaps haven't — want to get those who perhaps haven't looked at us since jeremy corbyn _

haven't looked at us since jeremy corbyn was — haven't looked at us since jeremy corbyn was leader of the labour party" — corbyn was leader of the labour party." and that underlines your interview — party." and that underlines your interview with mark logan. that is underlined — interview with mark logan. that is underlined by his, let's broadly call it— underlined by his, let's broadly call it defection, to the labour party. — call it defection, to the labour party, while on the other side, the sort of— party, while on the other side, the sort of left — party, while on the other side, the sort of left flank of the party feels — sort of left flank of the party feels as— sort of left flank of the party feels as if they are very, very keen to say— feels as if they are very, very keen to say that — feels as if they are very, very keen to say that is — feels as if they are very, very keen to say that is over. they are wanting _ to say that is over. they are wanting to _ to say that is over. they are wanting to cut that aside. i think that's probably _ wanting to cut that aside. i think that's probably true. _ wanting to cut that aside. i think that's probably true. i _ wanting to cut that aside. i think l that's probably true. i think what's caught them a bit by surprise, the labour leadership, i think they had hoped the way this week might play out as far as diane abbott is concerned, is there would be, to use the westminster jargon, concerned, is there would be, to use the westminsterjargon, the restoration of the quip. she was backin restoration of the quip. she was back in the partyjust before parliament dissolved. she might well say, having a great time in parliament, she's going to retire. then there would be public praise from the labour party and beyond given that sense of history of the first black woman mp. as far as the

here and now, that would be that. it hasn't quite turned out that way. and i totally agree that having spoken— and i totally agree that having spoken to people senior in the party, — spoken to people senior in the party, that is what they wanted to happen _ party, that is what they wanted to happen it — party, that is what they wanted to happen. it was illustrated today with show in allie, who was a labourmp labour mp who labourmp who said labour mp who said without diane abbott. _ labour mp who said without diane abbott, she wasn't sure if she would have made _ abbott, she wasn't sure if she would have made it in politics. she blazed a trail— have made it in politics. she blazed a trail as _ have made it in politics. she blazed a trail as a — have made it in politics. she blazed a trail as a muslim woman mp, but she said _ a trail as a muslim woman mp, but she said all— a trail as a muslim woman mp, but she said all candidates need scrutiny~ _ she said all candidates need scrutiny. there is this feeling that that logical sequence of events readmitted to the party — and by the way, readmitted to the party — and by the way. i— readmitted to the party — and by the way, ithink— readmitted to the party — and by the way, i think the snap election has slightly— way, i think the snap election has slightly caught them on the hook with this — slightly caught them on the hook with this particular issue. it hit fast forward. _ with this particular issue. it hit fast forward. then _ with this particular issue. it hit fast forward. then the - with this particular issue. it hit fast forward. then the idea - with this particular issue. it hit| fast forward. then the idea was di . ni fast forward. then the idea was dignity for _ fast forward. then the idea was dignity for diane _ fast forward. then the idea was dignity for diane abbott, - fast forward. then the idea was dignity for diane abbott, she i fast forward. then the idea was - dignity for diane abbott, she would retire _ dignity for diane abbott, she would retire and _ dignity for diane abbott, she would

retire and they would then praise her, sincerely held. but it didn't work— her, sincerely held. but it didn't work out — her, sincerely held. but it didn't work out i— her, sincerely held. but it didn't work out. . . her, sincerely held. but it didn't work out. ., , ., ., her, sincerely held. but it didn't work out. .,, ., ., ., her, sincerely held. but it didn't work out. ., ., ., ., ., work out. i was going to ask laura. keir starmer's _ work out. i was going to ask laura. keir starmer's critics, _ work out. i was going to ask laura. keir starmer's critics, whether - keir starmer's critics, whether they're in labour in other parties, they're in labour in other parties, they're saying this is a bad judgment call by him. that's their accusation. what i'm not clear about is how much of a judgment call keir starmer actually has here versus how much of it is like a procedural thing. you hear about the national committee having a meeting on tuesday, and then you see people saying jeremy corbyn got in trouble when he was the leader for intervening in these things too much, and that's why the leader might be more hands—off now. what's your assessment of how much of this should be pinned on keir starmer's judgment? fl, should be pinned on keir starmer's 'udament? ' ~ should be pinned on keir starmer's 'udament? ' ,, ., judgment? .1, i think the point that joe outlined — judgment? .1, i think the point that joe outlined was _ judgment? .1, i think the point that joe outlined was the _ judgment? .1, i think the point that joe outlined was the point - judgment? .1, i think the point that joe outlined was the point that - joe outlined was the point that diane — joe outlined was the point that diane abbott _ joe outlined was the point that diane abbott wanted - joe outlined was the point that diane abbott wanted to - joe outlined was the point that diane abbott wanted to stand i joe outlined was the point that - diane abbott wanted to stand down. rather— diane abbott wanted to stand down. rather than— diane abbott wanted to stand down. rather than somebody— diane abbott wanted to stand down. rather than somebody who - diane abbott wanted to stand down. rather than somebody who had - diane abbott wanted to stand down. | rather than somebody who had been

.iven rather than somebody who had been given half— rather than somebody who had been given half of— rather than somebody who had been given half of her— rather than somebody who had been given half of her .45. _ rather than somebody who had been given half of her .45. that _ rather than somebody who had been given half of her .45. that process i given half of her .45. that process was blown — given half of her .45. that process was blown up _ given half of her .45. that process was blown up by— given half of her .45. that process was blown up by a _ given half of her .45. that process was blown up by a briefing - given half of her .45. that process was blown up by a briefing to - given half of her .45. that process was blown up by a briefing to the i was blown up by a briefing to the times— was blown up by a briefing to the times newspaper— was blown up by a briefing to the times newspaper from _ was blown up by a briefing to the times newspaper from a - was blown up by a briefing to the times newspaper from a source. was blown up by a briefing to the i times newspaper from a source who seemed _ times newspaper from a source who seemed to _ times newspaper from a source who seemed to be — times newspaper from a source who seemed to be speaking _ times newspaper from a source who seemed to be speaking with, - times newspaper from a source who seemed to be speaking with, not- times newspaper from a source who| seemed to be speaking with, not the express— seemed to be speaking with, not the express authority, _ seemed to be speaking with, not the express authority, but _ seemed to be speaking with, not the express authority, but with - express authority, but with conviction— express authority, but with conviction with _ express authority, but with conviction with someone i express authority, but with . conviction with someone who express authority, but with - conviction with someone who knew what was _ conviction with someone who knew what was going _ conviction with someone who knew what was going on. _ conviction with someone who knew what was going on, saying - conviction with someone who knew what was going on, saying she - what was going on, saying she wouldn't — what was going on, saying she wouldn't stand _ what was going on, saying she wouldn't stand as _ what was going on, saying she wouldn't stand as a _ what was going on, saying she wouldn't stand as a candidate. what was going on, saying she i wouldn't stand as a candidate. as much _ wouldn't stand as a candidate. as much as— wouldn't stand as a candidate. as much as keir— wouldn't stand as a candidate. as much as keir starmer— wouldn't stand as a candidate. as much as keir starmer has - wouldn't stand as a candidate. as much as keir starmer has a - much as keir starmer has a responsibility, _ much as keir starmer has a responsibility, there - much as keir starmer has a responsibility, there was i much as keir starmer has a responsibility, there was a i much as keir starmer has a - responsibility, there was a briefing from what — responsibility, there was a briefing from what appeared _ responsibility, there was a briefing from what appeared to _ responsibility, there was a briefing from what appeared to be - responsibility, there was a briefing l from what appeared to be somebody with knowledge _ from what appeared to be somebody with knowledge of— from what appeared to be somebody with knowledge of the _ from what appeared to be somebody with knowledge of the process- from what appeared to be somebody with knowledge of the process to - from what appeared to be somebody| with knowledge of the process to the times— with knowledge of the process to the times that _ with knowledge of the process to the times that ended _ with knowledge of the process to the times that ended up _ with knowledge of the process to the times that ended up blowing - with knowledge of the process to the times that ended up blowing up. - times that ended up blowing up. point— times that ended up blowing up. point two. — times that ended up blowing up. point two. it's _ times that ended up blowing up. point two, it's interesting - times that ended up blowing up. point two, it's interesting when i times that ended up blowing up. . point two, it's interesting when you .et point two, it's interesting when you get policy— point two, it's interesting when you get policy leaders _ point two, it's interesting when you get policy leaders of _ point two, it's interesting when you get policy leaders of any _ point two, it's interesting when you get policy leaders of any strike - get policy leaders of any strike talking — get policy leaders of any strike talking about _ get policy leaders of any strike talking about processes. - get policy leaders of any strike talking about processes. yes, i get policy leaders of any strike - talking about processes. yes, under jeremy— talking about processes. yes, under jeremy corbyn. _ talking about processes. yes, under jeremy corbyn, there _ talking about processes. yes, under jeremy corbyn, there is _ talking about processes. yes, under jeremy corbyn, there is evidence . talking about processes. yes, under jeremy corbyn, there is evidence of| jeremy corbyn, there is evidence of interference — jeremy corbyn, there is evidence of interference by— jeremy corbyn, there is evidence of interference by people _ jeremy corbyn, there is evidence of interference by people around - jeremy corbyn, there is evidence of interference by people around himi jeremy corbyn, there is evidence of. interference by people around him in these _ interference by people around him in these processes— interference by people around him in these processes and _ interference by people around him in these processes and it _ interference by people around him in these processes and it came - interference by people around him in| these processes and it came because of that _ these processes and it came because of that the — these processes and it came because of that. the same _ these processes and it came because of that. the same has _ these processes and it came because of that. the same has happened - these processes and it came because of that. the same has happened in. of that. the same has happened in other— of that. the same has happened in other political— of that. the same has happened in other political parties. _ of that. the same has happened in other political parties. you - of that. the same has happened in other political parties. you made l of that. the same has happened in. other political parties. you made me think of— other political parties. you made me think of a _ other political parties. you made me think of a conversation _ other political parties. you made me think of a conversation with - other political parties. you made me think of a conversation with a - other political parties. you made me think of a conversation with a very. think of a conversation with a very senior— think of a conversation with a very senior labour— think of a conversation with a very senior labour party _ think of a conversation with a very senior labour party member-

think of a conversation with a very senior labour party member will. think of a conversation with a very. senior labour party member will we are talking — senior labour party member will we are talking about _ senior labour party member will we are talking about whether _ senior labour party member will we are talking about whetherjeremy. are talking about whetherjeremy corbyn _ are talking about whetherjeremy corbyn should _ are talking about whetherjeremy corbyn should be _