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tv   The Context  BBC News  May 30, 2024 9:30pm-10:01pm BST

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hello, i'm rajini vaidyanathan. you're watching the context on bbc news. in a major change in policy,
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us presidentjoe biden has given ukraine permission to strike inside russia, but only near the area of kharkiv, according to us media reports. to gaza, and there are concerns over supplies of aid after a us—built military pier was rendered temporarily out of action. the purpose—builtjetty had only been in place for two weeks when part of the structure broke off, necessitating repairs. the pier has been key to getting humanitarian aid into gaza, particularly in the north. the united nations has warned aid deliveries into gaza had dropped by two thirds since israel's move into the southern city of rafah. it says the entire population of gaza, some 2.2 million people, is "almost exclusively dependent"
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on humanitarian assistance. meanwhile, israel says it's carried out more than 50 new air strikes across gaza in the last day and that its troops are engaging palestinian fighters on the ground injabaliya in the north of gaza. israel also says it has now established full control over the philadelphi corridor, which sits along the gaza—egypt border. let's discuss this in a bit more detail with our panel. there was a lot of talk about how this jetty would help bring more aid in, so of course this news is a real blow when some people will rely entirely on humanitarian assistance now in gaza. that's right, and it was welcome news when it was said it was going to be built and provide a they had not been able to get into gaza, especially in the wake of the loss of the lives of the world central kitchen and others who been
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providing aid. but no one is been able to rebuy the level of aid that's needed so as they disappear last barely two weeks is beyond disappointing. we can get the circumstances in gaza and what's going on there, it is a humanitarian crisis by any definition and something has to be done to end it. we talk about the need of more aid going into gaza almost daily on this programme and on others. many said the only way to really get mass amounts of aid in the people who need it is for there to be a cease—fire, but the talks seem to have stalled. we had some hope in and there was not a cease—fire. what is your take on the talks at the moment? is is your take on the talks at the moment?— is your take on the talks at the moment? , . , , . ., moment? is remarkably challenging in remarkably challenging _ moment? is remarkably challenging in remarkably challenging environment. l remarkably challenging environment. obviously _ remarkably challenging environment. obviously of that we are pretty close _ obviously of that we are pretty close at — obviously of that we are pretty close at some point here a few weeks a-o close at some point here a few weeks ago regarding a potential cease—fire, at least one that will be lengthy enough to allow for those
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flows of _ be lengthy enough to allow for those flows of aid to happen. but, look, the reality— flows of aid to happen. but, look, the reality is this is caught up in a much — the reality is this is caught up in a much broader regional situation now _ a much broader regional situation now it _ a much broader regional situation now it is — a much broader regional situation now it is no _ a much broader regional situation now. it is no longer constrained to a situation — now. it is no longer constrained to a situation between israel and hamas — a situation between israel and hamas. there are many more equities, named _ hamas. there are many more equities, named in— hamas. there are many more equities, named in the _ hamas. there are many more equities, named in the situation between israei— named in the situation between israet and — named in the situation between israel and iran, that really make this much— israel and iran, that really make this much more complicated for the folks who _ this much more complicated for the folks who are involved in the region but also _ folks who are involved in the region but also frankly for the us and for the allied — but also frankly for the us and for the allied partners around the world — the allied partners around the world. there is a judgment as a meta- — world. there is a judgment as a meta— pressure and notjust pressure in terms _ meta— pressure and notjust pressure in terms what we are seeing on the ground _ in terms what we are seeing on the ground in— in terms what we are seeing on the ground in terms of the kinetic conflict — ground in terms of the kinetic conflict is _ ground in terms of the kinetic conflict is happening but frankly the politics of this to become incredibly difficult for countries around — incredibly difficult for countries around the united states as well as in europe — around the united states as well as in europe. so some of those factors have to _ in europe. so some of those factors have to be — in europe. so some of those factors have to be considered, and i think one of— have to be considered, and i think one of the — have to be considered, and i think one of the reasons why a cease—fire has been _ one of the reasons why a cease—fire has been a — one of the reasons why a cease—fire has been a difficult to come by is because the politics, the domestic politics— because the politics, the domestic politics on— because the politics, the domestic politics on this in the usa become so fraught — politics on this in the usa become so fraught and difficult for the by the administration to navigate.
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let's _ the administration to navigate. let's bring marianne back in on this and of course israel maintains that it wants to eliminate hamas's of abilities and that's what it continues on with this military operation but you have heard from those in the by the administration who raise concerns particularly over israel's actions in rafah. you who raise concerns particularly over israel's actions in rafah.— israel's actions in rafah. you have to ask the — israel's actions in rafah. you have to ask the question _ israel's actions in rafah. you have to ask the question given - israel's actions in rafah. you have l to ask the question given everything it's gone on and including in rafah if the prosecution of the war by israel, are these intentional mistakes or is it incompetence? because either one is not actionable. and the politics really are more in israel than they are in the us and benjamin netanyahu is hanging on for his dear life to stay in office. nobody in israel wanting to be prime minister. they want an election. he won't allow it. he has every reason to continue this war to stay in office to protect himself. not israel. that's the problem here. joe biden in the us been putting
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more and more and more pressure on netanyahu every single time they talk, and the pressure is only increasing and i think that is worth looking at. as of the politics in the us, if the politics in israel and netanyahu's leadership in this war. �* ., ., , ., and netanyahu's leadership in this war. ., ., , ., ., and netanyahu's leadership in this war. �* ., ., , ., ., war. i'm going to “ump in on that as someone war. i'm going to “ump in on that as soeonem who — war. i'm going to “ump in on that as someone who is — war. i'm going to jump in on that as someone who is close to _ war. i'm going to jump in on that as someone who is close to those - war. i'm going to jump in on that as. someone who is close to those in the biden administration still, he probably thought of people on a regular basis. there has been some debate in recent days over the fact that the us does not believe israel's actions in rafah amount to a major ground operation and therefore they don't see that a redline has yet been crossed. and there are some people who say surely a redline has been crossed and surely that is a time for the us administration to be firmer even further with israel. what is your take on that theory that many people hold? i take on that theory that many people hold? ~' take on that theory that many people hold? ~ ._ . ., take on that theory that many people hold? ~ ._ _, ., ., hold? i think it may come down to two words. _ hold? i think it may come down to two words. a _ hold? i think it may come down to two words, a refugee _ hold? i think it may come down to
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two words, a refugee centre, - hold? i think it may come down to l two words, a refugee centre, versus a shelter. and the latest incident that happened, i think the us is never going to abandon israel. that will never happen but netanyahu is certainly not making it easy to be helpful to him and to israel in this conflict. that's the real problem there. so behind i think what we are seen publicly and what's going on behind—the—scenes and we all talk to people certainly involved in this, but the conversations between joe biden and benjamin netanyahu have gotten increasingly difficult. and i think and question why netanyahu is going to come to the united states and address congress, frankly. so there are a lot of questions here, and i think the sooner this... i disagree with lonnie about iran. it's an issue but is not stopping what should come to a cease—fire now and returning the hostages who remain home. that should be the focus and that seems to be anything but the focus. i’m focus and that seems to be anything but the focus—
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but the focus. i'm going to bring lonnie in elective _ but the focus. i'm going to bring lonnie in elective to _ but the focus. i'm going to bring lonnie in elective to get - but the focus. i'm going to bring lonnie in elective to get your. lonnie in elective to get your reaction to what she was just saying. reaction to what she was 'ust sa in. ~ ., , saying. well, i mean, listen, clearly the — saying. well, i mean, listen, clearly the case _ saying. well, i mean, listen, clearly the case that - saying. well, i mean, listen, clearly the case that there i saying. well, i mean, listen, | clearly the case that there are saying. well, i mean, listen, - clearly the case that there are some domestic— clearly the case that there are some domestic politics at play for president biden and the administration. they are trying to walk a _ administration. they are trying to walk a tine — administration. they are trying to walk a line between support for israei— walk a line between support for israet and — walk a line between support for israel and recognising the very obvious— israel and recognising the very obvious humanitarian situation and try to _ obvious humanitarian situation and try to figure out how to navigate those _ try to figure out how to navigate those waters. and i have one geography to put into the conversation, which is michigan. president — conversation, which is michigan. president biden knows the estimate to win _ president biden knows the estimate to win a _ president biden knows the estimate to win a state of michigan in order to win a state of michigan in order to be _ to win a state of michigan in order to be president again, and there are some _ to be president again, and there are some great— to be president again, and there are some great challenges in terms of navigating between these issues, between — navigating between these issues, between these two constituencies in the state _ between these two constituencies in the state of michigan. so i think that's— the state of michigan. so i think that's a — the state of michigan. so i think that's a factor. i think we have to be very— that's a factor. i think we have to be very clear that that is one of the reasons why this is tremendously challenging. yes, there are a very obvious— challenging. yes, there are a very obvious giblet of the reasons why this is— obvious giblet of the reasons why this is challenging, but there obvious— this is challenging, but there obvious domestic political reasons why this _ obvious domestic political reasons why this is — obvious domestic political reasons why this is a challenge as well regardless of what actions may or may not _ regardless of what actions may or may not be — regardless of what actions may or may not be taken in the region. so i
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do think— may not be taken in the region. so i do think it's — may not be taken in the region. so i do think it's the case that it is complex— do think it's the case that it is complex and i know that there are a lot of— complex and i know that there are a lot of equities involved. and certainly... | lot of equities involved. and certainly---_ lot of equities involved. and certainl... ., , , �* certainly... i am sorry but we'll have to cut _ certainly... i am sorry but we'll have to cut you _ certainly... i am sorry but we'll have to cut you off _ certainly... i am sorry but we'll have to cut you off there - certainly... i am sorry but we'll have to cut you off there but i certainly... i am sorry but we'lll have to cut you off there but we have to cut you off there but we have some breaking news. some breaking news in a story we have been watching throughout the evening here and that is that it's being reported by the reuters news agency that the jury has reached a verdict and donald trump's hush money criminal trial. you can see the live shot of the court room there and let's go straight to our colleague there to get the very latest. live to new york, we can speak to our north america correspondent nada tawfik. seems like they have already made up their mind. ., �* , ~ seems like they have already made up their mind. ., �* , . ., seems like they have already made up their mind. ., �*, . ., ., their mind. that's right. we are now 'ust over their mind. that's right. we are now just over 11 — their mind. that's right. we are now just over 11 hours _ their mind. that's right. we are now just over 11 hours of _ their mind. that's right. we are now just over 11 hours of deliberations i just over 11 hours of deliberations and the jury has reached verdict in this historic case. the first criminal trial of a former president. everyone is in the courtroom. thejudge has advised
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that they need an extra 30 minutes to fill out the forms, but the judge getting the note from the foreperson of the jury that they have reached a verdict. this coming right at the end of the day. right at the end of date two of deliberations. now donald trump was just moments ago seeming quitejovial, laughing with his attorney todd blanche at the defence table. now surely he looks more calm from what we are hearing from our reporters inside. and the judge has advised the courtroom to let their not be any outbursts. so at this moment, all around me, the world's pressjumping to at this moment, all around me, the world's press jumping to attention, getting ready to cover this momentous decision, and we await to see with thejury momentous decision, and we await to see with the jury has decided. bond
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see with the “my has decided. and this comes — see with the jury has decided. and this comes on _ see with the jury has decided. and this comes onjust day see with the jury has decided. and this comes on just day two of their deliberations. when we spoke yesterday, just to recap, the jury asked for some of the testimony to be replayed in a way, replayed i say because it was actually court reporters who if you were saying were effectively recounting some of the testimony and in particular from the testimony and in particular from the former tabloid publisher david packer, someone who was still an ally of donald trump in many senses. just remind our viewers what role david pecker displayed in this case. yeah, it was incredibly interesting to see that they had wanted to reread that testimony from david pecker because david pecker was the first witness called by prosecutors. he was one who was supposed to lay the groundwork for their entire case. he is someone who was seen as
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a reliable witness because he had nothing against donald trump. they still had a great relationship, and prosecutors in their closing arguments that his testimony was devastating to donald trump and stood on its own. he did not rely on the testimony of michael cohen. because remember the defence had really bent on hoping they could sell enough doubt and undermined michael cohen's credibility, trump's former lawyer, it is said that this turned on him and that he was out for revenge in life. so here was the jury for revenge in life. so here was the jury wanting to go over that testimony again from david pecker, who outlined a conspiracy essentially is how prosecutors put it to corrupt the 2016 election, to have the tabloid plate dirty games to help the trump campaign and help donald trump reach the white house. and just over 11 hours of
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deliberations, just that one note looking for that extra testimony to be read back to them, and already in thejury reaching a decision. indeed, and it was a trial that lasted around six weeks, i heard from 22 witnesses. we focus mostly on the two that you mentioned there but there were 22 witnesses. one of the most explosive testimonies was of course from the former adult film star stormy daniels who many ways was a central character and also a side character when it came to the actual charges. side character when it came to the actual charges— actual charges. yeah, that's right. in man actual charges. yeah, that's right. in many ways. _ actual charges. yeah, that's right. in many ways, stormy _ actual charges. yeah, that's right. in many ways, stormy daniels i actual charges. yeah, that's right. | in many ways, stormy daniels was actual charges. yeah, that's right. i in many ways, stormy daniels was the emotional testimony. prosecutors said she was the motive. prosecutors hoped about by hearing her layout in salacious detail that alleged sexual encounter with donald trump back in 2006, which she is asleep made seem
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all the consensual very much unwanted, she said he left the room shaking, and prosecutors said the campaign was already in crisis mode after the release of an access hollywood tape that donald trump admitted in the tape to grabbing women by their genitals, saying simple you can do it because you're famous. and donald trump had dismissed that tape as locker room talk. prosecutors said it was stormy daniels's story had come out it was show he was notjust like a room talk. there was very much action behind donald trumpwords, and therefore they say that's why he went crisis mode, directing michael cohen to pay stormy daniels that $130,000 after the tabloid the national enquirer refused to pay any more hush money on behalf of donald trump's campaign and then michael cohen testifying that donald trump agreed to pay him back. and then approved this whole plan to
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reimburse him as if he was being paid as legal expenses once donald trump got into the white house. in order to disguise that hush money payment so it would never reach the public. so you could say what you want about this case, it's a book—keeping case, if a case about trying to avoid a sex scandal with a pornography start by prosecutors have always said that it is about far more than that, it was about donald trump trying to corrupt the 2016 election and hide key information that could have influenced voters. and they say that conspiracy and that cover—up could have been what helped put him in the white house. d0 have been what helped put him in the white house-— white house. do stay with us we will brine our white house. do stay with us we will bring our panel— white house. do stay with us we will bring our panel input _ white house. do stay with us we will bring our panel input before - white house. do stay with us we will bring our panel input before we i bring our panel input before we do we have got more details from a reporter inside the court. she says donald trump looks calm but less jovial as he sits in his chair at the defence table. she says he is whispering with his attorney and the
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judge in this trial saying let there be no outbursts of any kind. she also says that she thinks it will take around 30 minutes from now to fill out the forms, and then we will anticipate that verdict. if you're destroying us here on bbc news, we are being told that the jury in the criminal trial of donald trump in manhattan in new york has reached a verdict. we are anticipating that that verdict will be announced in about half an hour from now. that verdict will be announced in about half an hourfrom now. and that verdict will be announced in about half an hour from now. and we are of course live in new york with my colleague and we have a panel in the united states as well. a former republican domestic and foreign policy adviser to governor mitt romney, you want to get your reaction but we don't know the verdict is yet but quicker than we were thinking.—
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were thinking. yeah, and of course then for the _ were thinking. yeah, and of course then for the next _ were thinking. yeah, and of course then for the next half— were thinking. yeah, and of course then for the next half hour - were thinking. yeah, and of course then for the next half hour really . then for the next half hour really circulating — then for the next half hour really circulating what that means. whether in fact _ circulating what that means. whether in fact because it came back quickly it means _ in fact because it came back quickly it means the jury has decided to convict — it means the jury has decided to convict the _ it means the jury has decided to convict the former president or in fact they— convict the former president or in fact they have decided to acquit him~ _ fact they have decided to acquit him but— fact they have decided to acquit him. but it is so that the case this is my— him. but it is so that the case this is my mental decision. look, let's not make — is my mental decision. look, let's not make any bones about this. this is a significant issue in a significant outcome, a criminal trial— significant outcome, a criminal trial of— significant outcome, a criminal trial of a — significant outcome, a criminal trial of a former president who is the nominee of a major party for the presidency— the nominee of a major party for the presidency of the united states. and let's not— presidency of the united states. and let's not lose sight of that fact, and recognise it will have an impact on this— and recognise it will have an impact on this electoral campaign here in the us _ on this electoral campaign here in the us. , , ., the us. 0k, let me 'ust get your reaction as h the us. 0k, let me 'ust get your reaction as well, i the us. 0k, let mejust get your reaction as well, again - the us. 0k, let mejust get your reaction as well, again as i i the us. 0k, let mejust get your reaction as well, again as i put l the us. 0k, let mejust get your| reaction as well, again as i put it to him as well, we were not expecting it to come back so quickly but clearly they have come to a decision and thejudge but clearly they have come to a decision and the judge said they have to be unanimous in that decision. �* have to be unanimous in that decision-— have to be unanimous in that decision. . ., �* , ., decision. and that's the important thin . . decision. and that's the important thing- there _ decision. and that's the important thing. there are _ decision. and that's the important thing. there are 34 _ decision. and that's the important thing. there are 34 counts - decision. and that's the important thing. there are 34 counts these l thing. there are 34 counts these jurors _ thing. there are 34 counts these jurors had — thing. there are 34 counts these jurors had to— thing. there are 34 counts these jurors had to make _ thing. there are 34 counts these jurors had to make a _ thing. there are 34 counts these jurors had to make a decision. thing. there are 34 counts thesel jurors had to make a decision on, and they— jurors had to make a decision on, and they had _ jurors had to make a decision on, and they had to _ jurors had to make a decision on, and they had to be _ jurors had to make a decision on, and they had to be unanimous. jurors had to make a decision on, and they had to be unanimous onj jurors had to make a decision on, i and they had to be unanimous on all 34. and they had to be unanimous on all 34 certainly— and they had to be unanimous on all 34. certainly what _ and they had to be unanimous on all 34. certainly what we _ and they had to be unanimous on all 34. certainly what we were - and they had to be unanimous on all 34. certainly what we were waiting i 34. certainly what we were waiting to hear—
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case that it's politically motivated and not a legal case. and he hasl and not a legal case. and he has certainly— and not a legal case. and he has certainly owned _ and not a legal case. and he has certainly owned the _ and not a legal case. and he has certainly owned the airways i and not a legal case. and he has certainly owned the airways andl certainly owned the airways and everything _ certainly owned the airways and everything else, _ certainly owned the airways and everything else, very— certainly owned the airways and i everything else, very reminiscent to 2016 when— everything else, very reminiscent to 2016 when he — everything else, very reminiscent to 2016 when he got— everything else, very reminiscent to 2016 when he got covered _ everything else, very reminiscent to 2016 when he got covered all - everything else, very reminiscent to 2016 when he got covered all the i 2016 when he got covered all the time and — 2016 when he got covered all the time and in — 2016 when he got covered all the time and in fact— 2016 when he got covered all the time and in factjoe _ 2016 when he got covered all the time and in factjoe biden - 2016 when he got covered all the time and in factjoe biden and i 2016 when he got covered all the i time and in factjoe biden and the vice president _ time and in factjoe biden and the vice president in _ time and in factjoe biden and the vice president in a _ time and in factjoe biden and the vice president in a political- time and in factjoe biden and the vice president in a political rally. vice president in a political rally in philadelphia _ vice president in a political rally in philadelphia yesterday- vice president in a political rally in philadelphia yesterday with l vice president in a political rally- in philadelphia yesterday with black voters _ in philadelphia yesterday with black voters and — in philadelphia yesterday with black voters and no — in philadelphia yesterday with black voters and no one _ in philadelphia yesterday with black voters and no one covered - in philadelphia yesterday with black voters and no one covered it - in philadelphia yesterday with black voters and no one covered it life. i voters and no one covered it life. but everyone _ voters and no one covered it life. but everyone has _ voters and no one covered it life. but everyone has covered - voters and no one covered it life. but everyone has covered this i voters and no one covered it life. i but everyone has covered this trial life. but everyone has covered this trial life so _ but everyone has covered this trial life so i _ but everyone has covered this trial life so i think— but everyone has covered this trial life. so i think no— but everyone has covered this trial life. so i think no matter what i life. so i think no matter what happens — life. so i think no matter what happens this— life. so i think no matter what happens this afternoon, - life. so i think no matter what. happens this afternoon, donald life. so i think no matter what - happens this afternoon, donald trump will stick— happens this afternoon, donald trump will stick with — happens this afternoon, donald trump will stick with this _ happens this afternoon, donald trump will stick with this message _ happens this afternoon, donald trump will stick with this message that - happens this afternoon, donald trump will stick with this message that it i will stick with this message that it was political— will stick with this message that it was political motivated _ will stick with this message that it was political motivated winter- will stick with this message that it i was political motivated winter loose and joe _ was political motivated winter loose and joe biden— was political motivated winter loose and joe biden has— was political motivated winter loose and joe biden has had _ was political motivated winter loose and joe biden has had to _ was political motivated winter loose and joe biden has had to change i was political motivated winter loose and joe biden has had to change his strategy _ and joe biden has had to change his strategy he — and joe biden has had to change his strategy he for— and joe biden has had to change his strategy. he for months _ and joe biden has had to change his strategy. he for months has - and joe biden has had to change his strategy. he for months has been . strategy. he for months has been ignoring _ strategy. he for months has been ignoring this _ strategy. he for months has been ignoring this and _ strategy. he for months has been ignoring this and weeks _ strategy. he for months has been ignoring this and weeks and - strategy. he for months has been ignoring this and weeks and now. strategy. he for months has been i ignoring this and weeks and now the biden— ignoring this and weeks and now the biden campaign— ignoring this and weeks and now the biden campaign has— ignoring this and weeks and now the biden campaign has come _ ignoring this and weeks and now the biden campaign has come to - ignoring this and weeks and now the biden campaign has come to a - biden campaign has come to a decision— biden campaign has come to a decision where _ biden campaign has come to a decision where they _ biden campaign has come to a decision where they are - biden campaign has come to a decision where they are going | biden campaign has come to a l decision where they are going to have _ decision where they are going to have to — decision where they are going to have to take _ decision where they are going to have to take this _ decision where they are going to have to take this on _ decision where they are going to
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have to take this on head - decision where they are going to have to take this on head on- decision where they are going toj have to take this on head on and including — have to take this on head on and including joe _ have to take this on head on and including joe biden _ have to take this on head on and including joe biden addressing . have to take this on head on and including joe biden addressing itj including joe biden addressing it directly— including joe biden addressing it directly himself. _ including joe biden addressing it directly himself. so _ including joe biden addressing it directly himself. so you - including joe biden addressing it directly himself. so you can i including joe biden addressing it directly himself. so you can seel including joe biden addressing it. directly himself. so you can see the dynamics— directly himself. so you can see the dynamics of— directly himself. so you can see the dynamics of the _ directly himself. so you can see the dynamics of the presidential- dynamics of the presidential campaign _ dynamics of the presidential campaign being— dynamics of the presidential campaign being upended i dynamics of the presidential. campaign being upended either dynamics of the presidential- campaign being upended either way this happens— campaign being upended either way this happens and _ campaign being upended either way this happens and yet _ campaign being upended either way this happens and yet there - campaign being upended either way this happens and yet there is - this happens and yet there is a debate — this happens and yet there is a debate just— this happens and yet there is a debate just less _ this happens and yet there is a debate just less than - this happens and yet there is a debate just less than a - this happens and yet there is a debate just less than a monthl this happens and yet there is a i debate just less than a month away with when— debate just less than a month away with when instrument _ debate just less than a month away with when instrument as _ debate just less than a month away with when instrument as well. indeed in of course — with when instrument as well. indeed in of course all _ with when instrument as well. indeed in of course all of _ with when instrument as well. indeed in of course all of this _ with when instrument as well. indeed in of course all of this coming in - in of course all of this coming in eight us presidential election year. donald trump facing three other key cases as well, one relating to what happened on the 6th of january, another one relating to the result in georgia in the 2020 election race and also another one about classified documents as well. so this is just one verdict, and there will be more further down the line whatever happens.— will be more further down the line whatever happens. there may be, but the question — whatever happens. there may be, but the question will— whatever happens. there may be, but the question will be _ whatever happens. there may be, but the question will be with _ whatever happens. there may be, but the question will be with and - whatever happens. there may be, but the question will be with and those i the question will be with and those -et the question will be with and those get resolved before the election or in any— get resolved before the election or in any sufficient time to have an impact — in any sufficient time to have an impact on — in any sufficient time to have an impact on the election. i think that has been _ impact on the election. i think that has been the big question with respect — has been the big question with respect to the january the 6th prosecution, the classified document
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prosecution, the classified document prosecution and separately of course the georgia state case. i think the federal_ the georgia state case. i think the federal cases to me were always going _ federal cases to me were always going to — federal cases to me were always going to be a more significant issue and problem for the former president if those _ and problem for the former president if those had reached disposition that was— if those had reached disposition that was not favourable to him and he was _ that was not favourable to him and he was found guilty in those cases. i did he was found guilty in those cases. i did think— he was found guilty in those cases. i did think that those would have a quite _ i did think that those would have a quite significant impact. we will see how— quite significant impact. we will see how this plays out, whatever the verdict _ see how this plays out, whatever the verdict is _ see how this plays out, whatever the verdict is here, but i do think that the other— verdict is here, but i do think that the other prosecutions are hinging on a lot— the other prosecutions are hinging on a lot of— the other prosecutions are hinging on a lot of issues and i personally answer— on a lot of issues and i personally answer the — on a lot of issues and i personally answer the goal that we will see a legal— answer the goal that we will see a legal disposition in any of those other— legal disposition in any of those other cases before we get to the time _ other cases before we get to the time with— other cases before we get to the time with people in america are voting. — time with people in america are voting, which as your viewer probably— voting, which as your viewer probably know is earlier and earlier now since _ probably know is earlier and earlier now since the early voting window has expanded in america to include several— has expanded in america to include several weeks and in some cases several— several weeks and in some cases several months.— several weeks and in some cases several months. 0k, thank you very much. a several months. ok, thank you very much. a reminder— several months. 0k, thank you very much. a reminder if— several months. 0k, thank you very much. a reminder if you _ several months. 0k, thank you very much. a reminder if you are - several months. 0k, thank you very much. a reminder if you are just - much. a reminder if you arejust tuning in, we have got the courtroom live shot there in new york and that is because we are being told now that the jury in that criminal trial of donald trump, the first former us
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president to face a criminal trial, has reached a verdict. we know that that verdict is likely to come we think in around half an hourfrom now. we are hearing from alcoholics who were inside the courtroom that the jurors need a who were inside the courtroom that thejurors need a bit of who were inside the courtroom that the jurors need a bit of time who were inside the courtroom that thejurors need a bit of time now the jurors need a bit of time now to fill out their verdict sheets. now on the sheet, each of the 3a counts will be listed and jurors will need to write out whether they find donald trump guilty or not guilty on each one of those 3a different counts. then the jury will make their way back into the room and the foreperson will confirm that verdict to thejudge. and each member of the jury to thejudge. and each member of the jury then has to confirm that that verdict is correct. now what is if you get in this is that this is just day two of the jury's deliberations, and they have already come to a decision. thejudge said and they have already come to a decision. the judge said they had to
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make a unanimous decision as well. one of our reporters inside the courtroom says that donald trump is sitting with his arms folded at the defence table at the moment. of course we have seen and go in and out of the courtroom in manhattan every day of that trial. he has made some slightly outrageous statements and accusations in his comments to the media when he goes in and out of the media when he goes in and out of the courtroom, but throughout he has maintained that he is not guilty and says he's innocent on of those 3a counts. the reporter in the courtroom is saying that laughter has stopped between mr trump and his team. she says she is sitting directly behind him in the first row of the press eats and she says the energy at the table has clearly changed. of course we cannot read much more into that. we will only know what the jury posit decision is when it is announced. we are
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guessing that will be in the next 20 minutes or so. let's bring the panel back in. you are a republican. how much has this troubled your party in an election year or do you think this could actually be a good thing? well, there is a certain amount of legal— well, there is a certain amount of legal trouble that president trump faces that i think is baked into the calculus— faces that i think is baked into the calculus in— faces that i think is baked into the calculus in terms of how voters feel about— calculus in terms of how voters feel about him — calculus in terms of how voters feel about him. but any piece of new information, this is certainly if it were _ information, this is certainly if it were to — information, this is certainly if it were to he — information, this is certainly if it were to be a conviction or even an acquittal, — were to be a conviction or even an acquittal, this piece of new information as a potential to impact with his _ information as a potential to impact with his existing supporters is wheiped — with his existing supporters is whelped as support and try to think the big _ whelped as support and try to think the big question will be how this information impacts those voters on the margins he will make the difference in this election in the six key— difference in this election in the six key states we talk about, pennsylvania, michigan, wisconsin, georgia, _ pennsylvania, michigan, wisconsin, georgia, arizona and nevada, the six key states— georgia, arizona and nevada, the six key states and what is on this presidential election. even within those _ presidential election. even within those six — presidential election. even within those six days or even smaller
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subsets — those six days or even smaller subsets of _ those six days or even smaller subsets of voters who really care about _ subsets of voters who really care about so — subsets of voters who really care about. so the implications are not 'ust about. so the implications are not just applications by the way for donald — just applications by the way for donald trump. they are implications for republican candidates up and down _ for republican candidates up and down the — for republican candidates up and down the ballot with key races in the us— down the ballot with key races in the us and in the us house that will dictate _ the us and in the us house that will dictate control of the congress and ultimately policy outcomes the next four years — ultimately policy outcomes the next four years. so this is a very significant _ four years. so this is a very significant set of pieces of information we about to get in there is no question there will be an impact — is no question there will be an impact or— is no question there will be an impact or public is up in the ballot _ impact or public is up in the ballot. . . impact or public is up in the ballot. , . , . ballot. this all comes a time where i'll lookin: ballot. this all comes a time where i'll looking at _ ballot. this all comes a time where i'll looking at the _ ballot. this all comes a time where i'll looking at the recent _ ballot. this all comes a time where i'll looking at the recent polls - i'll looking at the recent polls that show thatjoe biden is not particularly doing that well in some of the marginal seats. this port it will be watched closely because of the way it could digitally impact the way it could digitally impact the outcome of the race.- the way it could digitally impact the outcome of the race. well, i would say _ the outcome of the race. well, i would say politically _ the outcome of the race. well, i would say politically whether - the outcome of the race. well, i i would say politically whether you're a democrat, — would say politically whether you're a democrat, republican _ would say politically whether you're a democrat, republican or- a democrat, republican or independent, _ a democrat, republican or independent, this- a democrat, republican or independent, this is- a democrat, republican orl independent, this is history a democrat, republican or- independent, this is history because we have _ independent, this is history because we have never— independent, this is history because we have never had _ independent, this is history because we have never had a _ independent, this is history because we have never had a former- independent, this is history because i we have never had a former president of the _ we have never had a former president of the united — we have never had a former president of the united states _ we have never had a former president of the united states brought - we have never had a former president of the united states brought to - of the united states brought to trial on— of the united states brought to trial on felony— of the united states brought to trial on felony charges - of the united states brought to trial on felony charges for - of the united states brought to trial on felony charges for any. trial on felony charges for any reason — trial on felony charges for any reason at _ trial on felony charges for any
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reason at any _ trial on felony charges for any reason at any time. _ trial on felony charges for any reason at any time. number. trial on felony charges for any - reason at any time. number one. number— reason at any time. number one. numbertwo, _ reason at any time. number one. numbertwo, if— reason at any time. number one. numbertwo, if mr— reason at any time. number one. number two, if mr trump- reason at any time. number one. number two, if mr trump were . reason at any time. number one. | number two, if mr trump were to return— number two, if mr trump were to returnto— number two, if mr trump were to return to the _ number two, if mr trump were to return to the white _ number two, if mr trump were to return to the white house - number two, if mr trump were to return to the white house and - number two, if mr trump were to| return to the white house and the next election. _ return to the white house and the next election, then _ return to the white house and the next election, then he _ return to the white house and the next election, then he would - return to the white house and the next election, then he would be . next election, then he would be a convicted — next election, then he would be a convicted felon _ next election, then he would be a convicted felon if _ next election, then he would be a convicted felon if he _ next election, then he would be a convicted felon if he is _ convicted felon if he is found guilty— convicted felon if he is found guilty todav~ _ convicted felon if he is found guilty today. that _ convicted felon if he is found guilty today. that has - convicted felon if he is found guilty today. that has neveri guilty today. that has never happened _ guilty today. that has never happened. the _ guilty today. that has never happened. the constitution| guilty today. that has never- happened. the constitution does not bar him _ happened. the constitution does not bar him from — happened. the constitution does not bar him from running _ happened. the constitution does not bar him from running and _ happened. the constitution does not bar him from running and it - happened. the constitution does not bar him from running and it does - happened. the constitution does notj bar him from running and it does not bar him from running and it does not bar him _ bar him from running and it does not bar him from — bar him from running and it does not bar him from serving _ bar him from running and it does not bar him from serving and _ bar him from running and it does not bar him from serving and even- bar him from running and it does not bar him from serving and even if he. bar him from serving and even if he were _ bar him from serving and even if he were to _ bar him from serving and even if he were to be — bar him from serving and even if he were to be incarcerated _ bar him from serving and even if he were to be incarcerated if— bar him from serving and even if he were to be incarcerated if he - bar him from serving and even if he were to be incarcerated if he were i were to be incarcerated if he were found _ were to be incarcerated if he were found guilty, _ were to be incarcerated if he were found guilty, even— were to be incarcerated if he were found guilty, even then _ were to be incarcerated if he were found guilty, even then he - were to be incarcerated if he were found guilty, even then he could i found guilty, even then he could serve _ found guilty, even then he could serve the — found guilty, even then he could serve. the founding _ found guilty, even then he could serve. the founding fathers - found guilty, even then he could serve. the founding fathers did i found guilty, even then he could i serve. the founding fathers did not anticipate _ serve. the founding fathers did not anticipate someone _ serve. the founding fathers did not anticipate someone like _ serve. the founding fathers did not anticipate someone like donald - anticipate someone like donald trump. — anticipate someone like donald trump, and _ anticipate someone like donald trump, and i_ anticipate someone like donald trump, and i think— anticipate someone like donald trump, and i think that's - anticipate someone like donald i trump, and i think that's probably one of— trump, and i think that's probably one of the — trump, and i think that's probably one of the messages _ trump, and i think that's probably one of the messages you - trump, and i think that's probably one of the messages you are - trump, and i think that's probably- one of the messages you are going to hear from _ one of the messages you are going to hear from joe — one of the messages you are going to hear from joe biden— one of the messages you are going to hear from joe biden in— one of the messages you are going to hear from joe biden in talking - hear from joe biden in talking about having _ hear from joe biden in talking about having the _ hear from joe biden in talking about having the president _ hear from joe biden in talking about having the president of _ hear from joe biden in talking about having the president of the - hear from joe biden in talking about having the president of the us - hear from joe biden in talking about having the president of the us if- having the president of the us if found _ having the president of the us if found guilty— having the president of the us if found guilty of— having the president of the us if found guilty of these _ having the president of the us if found guilty of these charges . having the president of the us if. found guilty of these charges held up found guilty of these charges held up to— found guilty of these charges held up to the — found guilty of these charges held up to the world _ found guilty of these charges held up to the world and _ found guilty of these charges held up to the world and our— found guilty of these charges held i up to the world and our democracy. i think— up to the world and our democracy. i think that _ up to the world and our democracy. i think that is — up to the world and our democracy. i think that is the _ up to the world and our democracy. i think that is the issue _ up to the world and our democracy. i think that is the issue there. - up to the world and our democracy. i think that is the issue there. and i. think that is the issue there. and i think— think that is the issue there. and i think in— think that is the issue there. and i think in terms— think that is the issue there. and i think in terms of— think that is the issue there. and i think in terms of the _ think that is the issue there. and i think in terms of the overall - think that is the issue there. and i think in terms of the overall effect forjoe _ think in terms of the overall effect forjoe biden. _ think in terms of the overall effect forjoe biden, every— think in terms of the overall effect forjoe biden, every time - think in terms of the overall effect forjoe biden, every time i've - think in terms of the overall effect| forjoe biden, every time i've been on it— forjoe biden, every time i've been on it with _ forjoe biden, every time i've been on it with the — forjoe biden, every time i've been on it with the context, _ forjoe biden, every time i've been on it with the context, i've - forjoe biden, every time i've been on it with the context, i've alwaysi on it with the context, i've always said i_ on it with the context, i've always said i will— on it with the context, i've always said i will continue _ on it with the context, i've always said i will continue to _ on it with the context, i've always said i will continue to say - on it with the context, i've always said i will continue to say that - said i will continue to say that joe biden— said i will continue to say that joe biden wins— said i will continue to say that joe biden wins in— said i will continue to say that joe biden wins in the _ said i will continue to say that joe biden wins in the end. _ said i will continue to say that joe biden wins in the end. i— biden wins in the end. i think democrats _ biden wins in the end. i think democrats hold _ biden wins in the end. i think democrats hold the - biden wins in the end. i think democrats hold the city- biden wins in the end. i think democrats hold the city and i democrats hold the city and went back the — democrats hold the city and went back the house _ democrats hold the city and went back the house and _ democrats hold the city and went back the house and i— democrats hold the city and went back the house and i think- democrats hold the city and went back the house and i think this i
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back the house and i think this is the biggest — back the house and i think this is the biggest issue, _ back the house and i think this is the biggest issue, abortion, - back the house and i think this is the biggest issue, abortion, buti back the house and i think this is. the biggest issue, abortion, but not this case _ the biggest issue, abortion, but not this case but— the biggest issue, abortion, but not this case but it _ the biggest issue, abortion, but not this case but it will— the biggest issue, abortion, but not this case but it will be _ the biggest issue, abortion, but not this case but it will be a _ the biggest issue, abortion, but not this case but it will be a big - this case but it will be a big factor~ _ this case but it will be a big factor. . ., ., factor. looking away from you now because of— factor. looking away from you now because of course _ factor. looking away from you now because of course as _ factor. looking away from you now because of course as we _ factor. looking away from you now because of course as we await - factor. looking away from you now because of course as we await the | because of course as we await the verdict let's return to our colleague in new york at the courthouse in manhattan. you've been following this day in and day out for some six weeks or so, and now we are very close to the conclusion. absolutely. and what a historic decision this is going to be. either way it will have massive implications, notjust on settling the past and the narrative and whether there is accountability or whether there is accountability or whether donald trump's name is clear, but very much so in the present as well. consequences for the upcoming election just months away. donald trump has been campaigning time and time again that the cases against him are all a witch hunt to keep him out of the
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election, and no matter the verdict, no doubt he will spin it in his favour. but still to think of the consequences here for him individually, politically and also the consequences for the nation, so now we wait for that historic decision to be made. alvin bracken with the manhattan district attorney, has turned up in the courtroom and remember he was the first state prosecutor to bring a case against a former president, to charge donald trump. and what a moment that was. that really changed the course of the entire race, the presidential race back then. and here we have alvin bragg, a it stay for him. many in question whether should have brought this case it also now has taken on an outsized impact because this is the only case
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thatis impact because this is the only case that is likely to have a verdict before the election in november. so a lot of estate for alvin bragg but of course all focus on donald trump himself. he is seated inside with his arms crossed calmly waiting alongside his attorneys, no doubt understanding the significance of this moment as he waits to hear what a jury of his peers, seven men and five women, regular manhattanites of different backgrounds, what they have made of the evidence and if they have decided that prosecutor to prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt or if he is innocent of the charges. doubt or if he is innocent of the charaes. . , ., ., charges. 0k, we will leave you for the moment _ charges. 0k, we will leave you for the moment but _ charges. 0k, we will leave you for the moment but of— charges. 0k, we will leave you for the moment but of course - charges. 0k, we will leave you for the moment but of course we - charges. 0k, we will leave you for the moment but of course we will| the moment but of course we will return to you as soon as that verdict comes. i will think about to our panel, we will of course have continuing coverage as we await that verdict. you can see there the camera at the courtroom. donald
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trump is waiting with his defence team in the courtroom and we have just heard the manhattan district attorney alvin bragg, who brought the charges has just entered the courtroom and taken a seat on the prosecution side. we've been told that the jury will have to write down all of their verdict. it is quite a few counts they have to go through so we will take some time, 34 through so we will take some time, 3a counts to be specific. donald trump denies all of the charges and this is a trial that is been going on for some six weeks. heard from 22 witnesses and any minute now we are waiting for that verdict in the first ever criminal trial of a former president. you are watching bbc news.
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welcome to world news at erica. you are looking at images right now of the manhattan criminal courthouse. —— america. we heard about ten minutes ago before we hear that verdict read out, but a reminder, this is an historic trial. the first time that a former or current us president is facing a criminal trial. a reminder of the charges that the former president is facing just five months away from the election. this decision will be monumental.

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