welcome to world news at erica. you are looking at images right now of the manhattan criminal courthouse. —— america. we heard about ten minutes ago before we hear that verdict read out, but a reminder, this is an historic trial. the first time that a former or current us president is facing a criminal trial. a reminder of the charges that the former president is facing just five months away from the election. this decision will be monumental.

that is what this entailed trial is about. nada tawfik has been following all the twists and turns. i think we can go to her now. just bring us up—to—date. absolutely, we have heard thejudge has announced he will call the jury in. we were called in for the jury reading out whether they have found donald trump guilty or not guilty on the 34 donald trump guilty or not guilty on the 3a counts of comp to falsifying it as is. then the otherjurors will

have to agree. if donald trump is found guilty onjust have to agree. if donald trump is found guilty on just one of those. he will be a convicted felon. a lot at stake clearly for it on from here. he is clearly hoping that this swift decision — not too swift, 11 hours, but that this decision coming on the second day of deliberations will be one that is favourable to him. but we are hearing a lot of tense atmosphere at the defence table right now. donald trump, who was just table right now. donald trump, who wasjustjoking table right now. donald trump, who was justjoking with his lawyers before the judge was notified that there was a verdict, is now sitting there was a verdict, is now sitting there calmly with his arms crossed with his defence lawyers. he was the first prosecutor to ever bring charges against a former president.

this is a career defining moment for him as well. he will soon also here is his team of prosecutors that wasn't strong enough to convince this jury of seven men and five women to find donald trump guilty on all or some counts. so the jury is going to be getting into the room slowly and surely, they will be coming in. thejudge has reminded the court that there will be absolutely no outbursts and i can just tell you there is a real air of anticipation outside as we all wait to see what the decision is. covering this update in the public. protesters from both sides gathered.

we can't say enough how monumental this moment is. we are watching pictures of you and of the doors to that courthouse. just remind us, you said they did come back and have questions for thejudge. tell said they did come back and have questions for the judge. tell us more about that. questions for the “udge. tell us more about that._ questions for the “udge. tell us more about that. . �* , ,, more about that. that's right, sumi. they wanted — more about that. that's right, sumi. they wanted to _ more about that. that's right, sumi. they wanted to have _ more about that. that's right, sumi. they wanted to have the _ more about that. that's right, sumi. they wanted to have the judges' - they wanted to have the judges' instructions read back. it was portion that really dealt with how they should interpret the law, what inferences they can make from the evidence in order to find the prosecution had proved or not proven their case beyond reasonable doubt. we keep talking about how this is a legally complex case. michael cohen was considered an accomplice. so the

jury was considered an accomplice. so the jury couldn't rely on his word below. prosecutors argued that they didn't need to, that there was so much indisputable evidence, that backed up what he said. if theyjust use their common sense, they would see the strong testimony from his inner circle, his own age that was with him every day —— aid, that is a fixer turned foe, who would lie and cheat on his behalf, is finally telling the truth. that tape recording of donald trump, even a tweet in which he called the hush money payment reimbursement, will lead them in one direction only — that donald trump was guilty. the defence on the other hand didn't want to make this a case about anybody other than michael cohen. they said that he simply couldn't be trusted because he is out for

revenge, he was a convicted felon, an admitted liar, he admitted stealing from donald trump. but sumi, as you point out, they want part testimony from michael cohen, but mostly — and donald trump has been found guilty on count one, the first former president to be convicted in a criminal trial. this is a historic moment. this a monumentous moment in us politics, a defining one. donald trump to continue to shatter the norms of the nation's highest office, donald trump found guilty on count one, sumi. we are going to the rest of those counts. but already, this is absolutely historic — donald trump losing this case, the jury finding the prosecution proved beyond a reasonable doubt that he tried to corrupt the 2016 election by

creating a conspiracy and falsifying business records to cover it up. guilty on count two, guilty on count three. , three. cheering that stopped - three. cheering that stopped me three. cheering l that stopped me in three. cheering - that stopped me in my three. cheering _ that stopped me in my tracks. i three. cheering — that stopped me in my tracks. i can hear the cheering.— hear the cheering. there is interruption. _ hear the cheering. there is interruption. throughout . hear the cheering. there is i interruption. throughout the hear the cheering. there is - interruption. throughout the trial, we have heard groups of protesters across from the courthouse and the public park. they have clearlyjust got the news. there have been well—known numbers of donald trump's harshest critics who have held up signs saying convict donald trump, saying signs saying donald trump need to be held accountable. i'll ask if my camera man is able to spin the camera to look at what is happening here, because there it is. roger stone has just turned happening here, because there it is. roger stone hasjust turned up. i don't know if you can see, but roger

stone, i believe, that is him. i apologise if i got that wrong. many people nowjust observing the news. nada, take us back to the counts. we're seeing 16 guilty counts, more than half. yes, let's remember that these counts really run together because these are in relation to 11 checks, ii these are in relation to 11 checks, 11 invoices and 12 businesses —— cheques. 11 invoices and 12 businesses -- cheuues. �* , ., ., �* 11 invoices and 12 businesses -- cheuues. �* , ., ., ~ g; cheques. i'm 'ust going to... all 34 counts, i cheques. i'm just going to. .. all 34 counts, ithink— cheques. i'm just going to. .. all 34 counts, i think we _ cheques. i'm just going to. .. all 34 counts, i think we are _ cheques. i'm just going to. .. all 34 counts, i think we are getting. - cheques. i'm just going to. .. all 34j counts, i think we are getting. he's guilty on all counts. 50. counts, i think we are getting. he's guilty on all counts.— guilty on all counts. so, sumi, donald trump _ guilty on all counts. so, sumi, donald trump has _ guilty on all counts. so, sumi, donald trump has been - guilty on all counts. so, sumi, donald trump has been on - guilty on all counts. so, sumi, i donald trump has been on guilty guilty on all counts. so, sumi, - donald trump has been on guilty on all 34 counts. these really run together. they were going to buy

into the case that all trump order these business records. then you really did assume that donald trump might be guilty on all that account. nevertheless, they found there was enough evidence to back up the prosecution's argument that donald trump directed all this. so, donald trump directed all this. so, donald trump guilty on all 34 accounts. the first former president to be convicted in a criminal trial. he will now be of convicted felon in the history books. and sumi, of course, on the ballot in november, voters will now have to contend with if they are comfortable voting for the republican presumptive nominee to run the nation's highest office

to run the nation's highest office to go into the white house when he has been found to be a convicted felon who is interested in corrupting the 2016 election to get into power. you can probably hear the sounds around me. there are a bit of scuffles between protesters in the park, as both sides battle — very passionate, course. they are very passionate, course. they are very invested in the outcome. it is just a microcosm of the divisions in america. donald trump, such a polarising figure. for his opponents, this will really resonate with them as him finally being held accountable for his supporters, and they will see him as a martyr. so, sumi, now we'll wait to see donald trump's reaction to this. hat sumi, now we'll wait to see donald trump's reaction to this.— nada, stay right there. i want to go

to former watergate prosecutor nick ackerman. nick, we spoke to yesterday. i want to get your reaction to this verdict— guilty on all 34 counts. i’m reaction to this verdict- guilty on all 34 counts.— reaction to this verdict- guilty on all 34 counts. i'm not the least bit surprised- — all 34 counts. i'm not the least bit surprised- i _ all 34 counts. i'm not the least bit surprised. i think— all 34 counts. i'm not the least bit surprised. i think as _ all 34 counts. i'm not the least bit surprised. i think as i _ all 34 counts. i'm not the least bit surprised. i think as i told - all 34 counts. i'm not the least bit surprised. i think as i told you - surprised. i think as i told you yesterday, based on those two smoking gun notes of weisel berg and connie, the two trump organisation employees, based on the self—inflicted wounds of footing bob costello as part of defence. based on what we heard from the jury this morning, they went right from the jugular in terms of going to the core of the allegations here by asking for evidence to be read back about the august 2015 meeting at trump tower attended by trump, david packer and michael cohen —— david

pecker. just between donald trump and david pecker. it seems that everything was going in that direction. i'm not surprised. donald trump convicted _ direction. i'm not surprised. donald trump convicted of _ direction. i'm not surprised. donald trump convicted of falsifying - trump convicted of falsifying records in the first former president trial... take is how historic this is from your perspective. historic this is from your perspective-_ historic this is from your perspective. historic this is from your --ersective. . , ., perspective. having been involved in the water-ski _ perspective. having been involved in the water-ski case, _ perspective. having been involved in the water-ski case, if— perspective. having been involved in the water-ski case, if president - the water—ski case, if president ford had not pardoned donald trump backin ford had not pardoned donald trump back in 1974 and we had invited him —— post watergate, this would not be the big deal with us today. this is a big deal because it is the first and is the first time us president in our entire history has ever been convicted of a crime— and not only that, you could be the presidential

nominee for the republican party and ironically, as a convicted felon, he not be able to vote for himself. take us through these counts and what they men. talk is there why you think the jurors what they men. talk is there why you think thejurors came what they men. talk is there why you think the jurors came out with this verdict? i think the “urors came out with this verdict? ~ ., , ., , ,., , verdict? i think it was absolutely overwhelming. _ verdict? i think it was absolutely overwhelming. it _ verdict? i think it was absolutely overwhelming. it wasn't - verdict? i think it was absolutely overwhelming. it wasn't just - verdict? i think it was absolutely - overwhelming. it wasn'tjust michael cohen's testimony, it was david pecker�*s testimony. they discussed how they would buy the right from karen mcdougall. right from the get go that related to what the national enquirer did in terms of boosting up trump, knocking down his competitors and what they did in terms of paying off two of the catch and kill individuals, do you know the doorman

and karen mcdougall, who was the playboy playmate. almost everything about this case is in the document. it's almost like if you took the witness is a way, you could follow the documents and see exactly what happened here. ithink the documents and see exactly what happened here. i think this is what thejury did. they happened here. i think this is what the jury did. they went right back to david pecker, they went right back to that meeting at trump tower and started from there and emanated from there. because all of those false entries on the trump organisations. the conclusion was absolutely obvious. whether or not michael cohen had lied, i think it was pretty clear from the costello testimony that he was lying in order to protect donald trump. 0nce testimony that he was lying in order

to protect donald trump. once he started cooperating, he was telling a whole different story, supported by other witnesses. this a whole different story, supported by other witnesses.— a whole different story, supported by other witnesses. this is the core ofthe by other witnesses. this is the core of the defence's _ by other witnesses. this is the core of the defence's closing argument i of the defence's closing argument and their defence is michael cohen is a liar. that didn't commit jurors? is a liar. that didn't commit “urors? ., . is a liar. that didn't commit 'urors? ., . . is a liar. that didn't commit “urors? ., ., ., , , , is a liar. that didn't commit “urors? ., ., ., , , jurors? not at all, because they can show what he _ jurors? not at all, because they can show what he said _ jurors? not at all, because they can show what he said here _ jurors? not at all, because they can show what he said here was - show what he said here was fully corroborated. even though he was an accomplice witness, what they were able to show through mr pepper, through hope pics, through able to show through mr pepper, through hope pics, throutheffrey mcconaughey, —— mr that supported everything that everybody was saying about how he operated his business. —— mr david pecker. if michael cohen was a liar, it was because he was lying to

protect donald trump. that became extremely clear through the bob costello testimony. find extremely clear through the bob costello testimony.— extremely clear through the bob costello testimony. and we've 'ust been looking fl costello testimony. and we've 'ust been looking at i costello testimony. and we've 'ust been looking at some i costello testimony. and we've 'ust been looking at some of i costello testimony. and we've 'ust been looking at some of the h costello testimony. and we've just l been looking at some of the pictures of the courthouse. the fact that donald trump was in the courthouse for these six weeks, tell us what you think this must�*ve been like for him. it you think this must've been like for him. . ., �* you think this must've been like for him. _, �* ., , ., him. it couldn't have been a pleasant — him. it couldn't have been a pleasant situation. - him. it couldn't have been a pleasant situation. he - him. it couldn't have been a pleasant situation. he had l him. it couldn't have been a. pleasant situation. he had no him. it couldn't have been a - pleasant situation. he had no choice but to be there. if you didn't show up, the sheriff would have come out and brought him in. he would have been forced to be there. there's no excuse for a defendant not showing up excuse for a defendant not showing up for a criminal trial. so, he had no choice but to be there. if you look at the expression on his face, the entire time, it looked like he was sitting on a cactus basically is the only way i can destroy it. he was in pain the whole time —— describe it. he was trying to play

mr tough guy. what i was all there tuesday, and he did not look like a happy camper. what has happened is not a resume builder and is not going to be something that will to meet dashiell billy will help him win. . ., meet dashiell billy will help him win. ., , take, and reminding our viewers that donald trump is convicted of falsifying business records on all 34 counts — the first criminal trial of a former current president. it wasjust of a former current president. it was just about five or ten minutes ago that we heard the jury read out that verdict. let's go back to nada tawfik, who is outside the courthouse. if you can hear us, we have been talking aboutjust how the jury came to the jury. this was a unanimous verdict, and they several possibilities about which side made

the best argument. it appears the prosecution came out on top. yeah, and before — prosecution came out on top. yeah, and before you _ prosecution came out on top. yeah, and before you get _ prosecution came out on top. yeah, and before you get into _ prosecution came out on top. yeah, and before you get into that, - prosecution came out on top. yeah, and before you get into that, we - prosecution came out on top. yeah, and before you get into that, we do | and before you get into that, we do want to bring more updates. donald trump is still sat there with his lawyers. sentencing will take place, we heard, onjuly the 11th in the morning. they did that, the defence requested that at a later date because of a conflict with a hearing donald trump has in florida. so, donald trump has in florida. so, donald trump has in florida. so, donald trump will be sentenced in this case just days before the republican national convention. so, again, donald trump continuing to shatter the norms of the nation's highest office. months away from the election, we are already seeing just how much we are in unprecedented territory both legally and politically with this conviction.

also, sumi, we saw a request from the defence to get this thrown out again. the defence to get this thrown out aaain. , . ., the defence to get this thrown out aaain. , ., ., ,,,, �* again. one second, nada. crosstalk let's see if he's _ again. one second, nada. crosstalk let's see if he's about _ again. one second, nada. crosstalk let's see if he's about to _ again. one second, nada. crosstalk let's see if he's about to say - again. one second, nada. crosstalk let's see if he's about to say a - let's see if he's about to say a few words. this is known from walking out after finding the jury's verdict. out after finding the “ury's verdict. , ., , ., out after finding the “ury's verdict. , , , verdict. this was a disgrace. this was a rigged _ verdict. this was a disgrace. this was a rigged trial _ verdict. this was a disgrace. this was a rigged trial by _ verdict. this was a disgrace. this was a rigged trial by a _ verdict. this was a disgrace. this was a rigged trial by a conflicted | was a rigged trial by a conflicted judge _ was a rigged trial by a conflicted judge who was corrupt. it's a rigged trial and _ judge who was corrupt. it's a rigged trial and a _ judge who was corrupt. it's a rigged trial and a disgrace. they wouldn't rive trial and a disgrace. they wouldn't give us _ trial and a disgrace. they wouldn't give us a _ trial and a disgrace. they wouldn't give us a venue change. we were at five or— give us a venue change. we were at five or 6% _ give us a venue change. we were at five or 6% in — give us a venue change. we were at five or 6% in this district in this area _ five or 6% in this district in this area this_ five or 6% in this district in this area. this was a rigged, disgraceful triab _ area. this was a rigged, disgraceful triab the _ area. this was a rigged, disgraceful trial. the real verdict is going to be november the 5th by the people, and they— be november the 5th by the people, and they know what happened here and everybody _ and they know what happened here and everybody knows what happened here.

da and _ everybody knows what happened here. da and the _ everybody knows what happened here. da and the whole thing, we didn't do a thing _ da and the whole thing, we didn't do a thing wrong. i'm an innocent man. it's ok. _ a thing wrong. i'm an innocent man. it's ok. itn— a thing wrong. i'm an innocent man. it's ok, i'm fighting for our country— it's ok, i'm fighting for our country and our constitution. 0ur country and our constitution. our whole _ country and our constitution. our whole country is being rigged right now _ whole country is being rigged right now this— whole country is being rigged right now. this was done by the biden administration. in order to hurt a political— administration. in order to hurt a political opponent. i think it's 'ust political opponent. i think it's just a — political opponent. i think it's just a disgrace. we'll fight till the end — just a disgrace. we'll fight till the end and we'll win because our country's — the end and we'll win because our country's gone to hell. we don't have _ country's gone to hell. we don't have the — country's gone to hell. we don't have the same country any more. we have the same country any more. we have a _ have the same country any more. we have a divided mess. we are a nation 's in have a divided mess. we are a nation '5 in decline — have a divided mess. we are a nation 's in decline. millions of millions of people — 's in decline. millions of millions of people poor in our countries, from _ of people poor in our countries, from prisons, mental institutions, terrorists. — from prisons, mental institutions, terrorists, and they are taking over our country — terrorists, and they are taking over our country. we have a country that's— our country. we have a country that's in— our country. we have a country that's in big — our country. we have a country that's in big trouble, but this was a rigged — that's in big trouble, but this was a rigged decision right from day one with a _ a rigged decision right from day one with a conflicted judge who should have never been allowed to try this case: _ have never been allowed to try this case. never~ — have never been allowed to try this case, never. and we will fight for our constitution. this is long from

over~ _ our constitution. this is long from over~ thank— our constitution. this is long from over. thank you very much. studio: nada, you heard that statement. we should say this is very much what we've heard from donald trump over the six weeks. what did you make of it?- what did you make of it? yeah, absolute no _ what did you make of it? yeah, absolute no surprise _ what did you make of it? yeah, absolute no surprise there - what did you make of it? yeah, absolute no surprise there at i what did you make of it? yeah, l absolute no surprise there at all, sumi. donald trump defiant, saying that this case was all politically motivated, as you say. that has been his talking point from the start of this trial, even well before this trial. his campaign fundraising off of that, rallying his supporters on that point. donald trump is now in a position where at each rally, at each campaign event, he will no doubt position himself as a martyr, someone who's being attacked his political opponents in order to keep

him out of the white house. now, look, he says he's going to fight to the end. i have to say, for donald trump, there is no doubt that he is squarely focused on how this can turn around, how we can take this loss and turn it into a benefit for him politically. he has shown an ability to do that in the past, sumi. let's not forget he is a former president who was twice indicted, twice impeached, four times in but indicted in criminal cases, hit with several civil premises, nevertheless, he is still pushing on to try to win the white house. but he has left now the courthouse with his son, eric trump. thejudge in deciding to release him on his own recognisance and sentencing. what a moment that will be, sumi, because donald trump

unlikely to face prison, perhaps for station, but it will be interesting to see —— probation. station, but it will be interesting to see -- probation.— station, but it will be interesting to see -- probation. thank you so much, to see -- probation. thank you so much. nada- _ to see -- probation. thank you so much, nada. we _ to see -- probation. thank you so much, nada. we just _ to see -- probation. thank you so much, nada. we just heard - to see -- probation. thank you so much, nada. we just heard from. much, nada. wejust heard from donald trump speaking there as we mentioned and we heard avery mcavoy and richard paynter with us, who can give us some insight as well. ijust want to get your erection first, annemarie. want to get your erection first, annemarie-— annemarie. it's certainly a monumental— annemarie. it's certainly a monumental decision - annemarie. it's certainly a monumental decision and | annemarie. it's certainly a i monumental decision and the annemarie. it's certainly a _ monumental decision and the verdict today _ monumental decision and the verdict today it _ monumental decision and the verdict today it is _ monumental decision and the verdict today. it is certainly really earth shattering what happened today. undoubtedly, however, there will be probably— undoubtedly, however, there will be probably and the media of feel. the sentencings could be put off after july. when you look at it, there certalnly— july. when you look at it, there certainly are a lot of grounds for appeal— certainly are a lot of grounds for appeal here. there's a very good chance _ appeal here. there's a very good chance that the case will be overturned on appeal, but the question— overturned on appeal, but the question is will that happen before the election? the likelihood of the

appeal— the election? the likelihood of the appeal being heard before the election— appeal being heard before the election is not very good. so he will probably be a convicted felon when _ will probably be a convicted felon when he — will probably be a convicted felon when he runs for office of it in november. when he runs for office of it in november-— november. just to remind our viewers. _ november. just to remind our viewers, pictures _ november. just to remind our viewers, pictures from - november. just to remind our viewers, pictures from just i november. just to remind our i viewers, pictures from just outside the courthouse it in this monumental moment in us history. we'vejust seen donald trump being convicted of falsifying business records. convicted on all 34 counts. we saw the 12 jurors after deliberating being called back into the court just about 20 minutes ago now. we did hear the president say it was a rigged trial and say that he calls it a disgrace as well. i want to thank our viewers on pbs for watching this special cover of donald trump's criminal trial. welcome back to everyone watching us and we are still covering this

monumental moment. richard, i want to bring you into get your take as well. i want to get your take on the verdict. ~ , . ., , verdict. well, this verdict was anticipated. _ verdict. well, this verdict was anticipated. the _ verdict. well, this verdict was anticipated. the prosecution i verdict. well, this verdict was i anticipated. the prosecution put on anticipated. the prosecution put on a very— anticipated. the prosecution put on a very strong — anticipated. the prosecution put on a very strong case. _ anticipated. the prosecution put on a very strong case. the _ anticipated. the prosecution put on a very strong case. the only- a very strong case. the only question— a very strong case. the only question was _ a very strong case. the only question was about - a very strong case. the only question was about the i a very strong case. the only- question was about the credibility of michael— question was about the credibility of michael cohen. _ question was about the credibility of michael cohen. he _ question was about the credibility of michael cohen. he himself- question was about the credibility. of michael cohen. he himself went question was about the credibility- of michael cohen. he himself went to 'ail of michael cohen. he himself went to jail and _ of michael cohen. he himself went to jail and did _ of michael cohen. he himself went to jalland did live — of michael cohen. he himself went to jail and did live. but— of michael cohen. he himself went to jail and did live. but there _ jail and did live. but there are lots _ jail and did live. but there are lots of witnesses _ jail and did live. but there are lots of witnesses here. - 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nominate for president in the upcoming election. _ nominate for president in the upcoming election. i- nominate for president in the upcoming election. i don't i nominate for president in the i upcoming election. i don't believe that upcoming election. idon't believe that most— upcoming election. i don't believe that most americans _ upcoming election. i don't believe that most americans would - upcoming election. i don't believe that most americans would vote i upcoming election. i don't believe i that most americans would vote for a convicted _ that most americans would vote for a convicted felon — that most americans would vote for a convicted felon of _ that most americans would vote for a convicted felon of the _ that most americans would vote for a convicted felon of the white - that most americans would vote for a convicted felon of the white house. i convicted felon of the white house. and there _ convicted felon of the white house. and there are — convicted felon of the white house. and there are plenty— convicted felon of the white house. and there are plenty of— convicted felon of the white house. and there are plenty of other - convicted felon of the white house. and there are plenty of other very. and there are plenty of other very good _ and there are plenty of other very good candidates _ and there are plenty of other very good candidates who _ and there are plenty of other very good candidates who could - and there are plenty of other very good candidates who could run i and there are plenty of other very good candidates who could run on and there are plenty of other very- good candidates who could run on the republican— good candidates who could run on the republican ticket. _ good candidates who could run on the republican ticket. in _ good candidates who could run on the republican ticket. in donald - good candidates who could run on the republican ticket. in donald trump i republican ticket. in donald trump had this— republican ticket. in donald trump had this coming. _ republican ticket. in donald trump had this coming. he's— republican ticket. in donald trump had this coming. he's engaged i republican ticket. in donald trump had this coming. he's engaged in. had this coming. he's engaged in financial— had this coming. he's engaged in financial shenanigans _ had this coming. he's engaged in financial shenanigans for - had this coming. he's engaged in financial shenanigans for a - had this coming. he's engaged in financial shenanigans for a very. financial shenanigans for a very long _ financial shenanigans for a very long time _ financial shenanigans for a very long time he _ financial shenanigans for a very long time. he has— financial shenanigans for a very long time. he has a _ financial shenanigans for a very long time. he has a civil- financial shenanigans for a very long time. he has a civil fraudi long time. he has a civil fraud verdict — long time. he has a civil fraud verdict against _ long time. he has a civil fraud verdict against him _ long time. he has a civil fraud verdict against him for- long time. he has a civil fraud| verdict against him for several hundred — verdict against him for several hundred million _ verdict against him for several hundred million dollars. i verdict against him for several hundred million dollars. he i verdict against him for severall hundred million dollars. he has verdict against him for several- hundred million dollars. he has been doing _ hundred million dollars. he has been doing this _ hundred million dollars. he has been doing this for — hundred million dollars. he has been doing this for quite _ hundred million dollars. he has been doing this for quite a _ hundred million dollars. he has been doing this for quite a while, - hundred million dollars. he has been doing this for quite a while, and i doing this for quite a while, and the only— doing this for quite a while, and the only thing _ doing this for quite a while, and the only thing that _ doing this for quite a while, and the only thing that surprises i doing this for quite a while, and j the only thing that surprises me doing this for quite a while, and i the only thing that surprises me is that he _ the only thing that surprises me is that he didn't _ the only thing that surprises me is that he didn't get _ the only thing that surprises me is that he didn't get hit with- the only thing that surprises me is that he didn't get hit with criminal| that he didn't get hit with criminal charges _ that he didn't get hit with criminal charges like — that he didn't get hit with criminal charges like this _ that he didn't get hit with criminal charges like this a _ that he didn't get hit with criminal charges like this a lot _ that he didn't get hit with criminal charges like this a lot sooner- that he didn't get hit with criminal charges like this a lot sooner in i charges like this a lot sooner in new— charges like this a lot sooner in new york _ charges like this a lot sooner in new york l— charges like this a lot sooner in new york-— charges like this a lot sooner in new york. , ., ., new york. i 'ust want to underline that oint new york. i just want to underline that point you _ new york. i just want to underline that point you made _ new york. i just want to underline that point you made - _ new york. i just want to underline that point you made - donald i new york. i just want to underline i that point you made - donald trump that point you made — donald trump saying this was the biden administration trying to hurt a political opponent. this was the da alvin bragg, not the biden ministration. we expect donald trump's motorcade to take him away from the courthouse shortly. we'll

hear more as well. but anne—marie, do you agree with richard's assessment of the case that was made by the prosecution that this was convicting ?we ? we heard michael cohen for example wasn't obviously the strongest witness among others because of credibility. i witness among others because of credibili . ., �* ., ,, credibility. i don't agree, ithink the are credibility. i don't agree, ithink they are very — credibility. i don't agree, ithink they are very good _ credibility. i don't agree, ithink they are very good grounds i credibility. i don't agree, ithink they are very good grounds for. credibility. i don't agree, i think. they are very good grounds for the appeal— they are very good grounds for the appeal and he is likely to win on appeal — appeal and he is likely to win on appeal. there was a lot of evidence brought— appeal. there was a lot of evidence brought in— appeal. there was a lot of evidence brought in relating to for instance stormy— brought in relating to for instance stormy daniels, karen mcdougall, the national— stormy daniels, karen mcdougall, the national enquirer, david david becker. the jurors had a choice of three underlying _ the jurors had a choice of three underlying crimes, including one that was— underlying crimes, including one that was tax fraud, which is never discussed — that was tax fraud, which is never discussed during the actual trial. this only— discussed during the actual trial. this only came up during closing. the defendant has a right to know

what _ the defendant has a right to know what the — the defendant has a right to know what the charges are against him and to be able _ what the charges are against him and to be able to present evidence. he can't _ to be able to present evidence. he can't do _ to be able to present evidence. he can't do that until it's close. there — can't do that until it's close. there were issues during the trial. there were issues during the trial. the judge — there were issues during the trial. the judge could be accused of being more _ the judge could be accused of being more sympathetic to the prosecution. there'll_ more sympathetic to the prosecution. there'll be _ more sympathetic to the prosecution. there'll be a — more sympathetic to the prosecution. there'll be a lot of it use and i think— there'll be a lot of it use and i think there's a very chance it will be overturned. it may get sick for another— be overturned. it may get sick for another trial, be overturned. it may get sick for anothertrial, but be overturned. it may get sick for another trial, but certainly, be overturned. it may get sick for anothertrial, but certainly, i think— anothertrial, but certainly, i think there were enough problems in this case _ think there were enough problems in this case that there could be another— this case that there could be another trial. this case that there could be anothertrial. it's this case that there could be another trial. it's a new yorkjury. it is another trial. it's a new yorkjury. it is not _ another trial. it's a new yorkjury. it is not a — another trial. it's a new yorkjury. it is not a surprise in that it's very difficult for someone he like donald _ very difficult for someone he like donald trump to get a jury of his peers _ donald trump to get a jury of his peers in — donald trump to get a jury of his peers in manhattan. the folks who actually _ peers in manhattan. the folks who actually tried this case were very hi-h actually tried this case were very high from — actually tried this case were very high from the department ofjustice. there _ high from the department ofjustice. there is— high from the department ofjustice. there is a _ high from the department ofjustice. there is a reason why donald trump

is mentioning that. it wasn'tjust alvin _ is mentioning that. it wasn'tjust alvin bragg or people in his office. specifically to try this case. there are some — specifically to try this case. there are some issues here, so it'll be interesting — are some issues here, so it'll be interesting to see what happens next _ interesting to see what happens next. . . ., ., , ., next. richard, i want to get your take on what _ next. richard, i want to get your take on what annemarie - next. richard, i want to get your take on what annemarie just i next. richard, i want to get your i take on what annemarie just said. i'm not going to respond to all that _ i'm not going to respond to all that most— i'm not going to respond to all that. most defendants - i'm not going to respond to all that. most defendants after. that. most defendants after conviction _ that. most defendants after conviction say— that. most defendants after conviction say the _ that. most defendants after conviction say the system i that. most defendants afterj conviction say the system is that. most defendants after- conviction say the system is unfair and their— conviction say the system is unfair and their lawyers— conviction say the system is unfair and their lawyers will— conviction say the system is unfair and their lawyers will make - and their lawyers will make arguments— and their lawyers will make arguments on— and their lawyers will make arguments on appeal. i and their lawyers will make arguments on appeal. thel and their lawyers will make i arguments on appeal. the rate of convictions — arguments on appeal. the rate of convictions being _ arguments on appeal. the rate of convictions being overturned i arguments on appeal. the rate of convictions being overturned in i arguments on appeal. the rate of. convictions being overturned in new york is— convictions being overturned in new york is quite — convictions being overturned in new york is quite low. _ convictions being overturned in new york is quite low. i— convictions being overturned in new york is quite low. i don't _ convictions being overturned in new york is quite low. i don't see - york is quite low. i don't see grounds _ york is quite low. i don't see grounds for— york is quite low. i don't see grounds for a _ york is quite low. i don't see grounds for a reversal, i york is quite low. i don't see grounds for a reversal, but i york is quite low. i don't see i grounds for a reversal, but this will be — grounds for a reversal, but this will be appealed _ grounds for a reversal, but this will be appealed and _ grounds for a reversal, but this will be appealed and we'll i grounds for a reversal, but this will be appealed and we'll seei grounds for a reversal, but this - will be appealed and we'll see what happens _ will be appealed and we'll see what happens. but— will be appealed and we'll see what happens. but there's _ will be appealed and we'll see what happens. but there's no _ will be appealed and we'll see what happens. but there's no evidence l will be appealed and we'll see what| happens. but there's no evidence of the biden_ happens. but there's no evidence of the biden administration _ happens. but there's no evidence of the biden administration had - the biden administration had anything _ the biden administration had anything to— the biden administration had anything to do _ the biden administration had anything to do with - the biden administration had anything to do with that. - the biden administration hadi anything to do with that. the lawyers — anything to do with that. the lawyers argue _ anything to do with that. the lawyers argue that _ anything to do with that. the lawyers argue that because l anything to do with that. the . lawyers argue that because the anything to do with that. the - lawyers argue that because the court -ets lawyers argue that because the court gets the _ lawyers argue that because the court gets the best — lawyers argue that because the court gets the best way— lawyers argue that because the court gets the best way out. _ lawyers argue that because the court gets the best way out. they - lawyers argue that because the court gets the best way out. they need - lawyers argue that because the court gets the best way out. they need to| gets the best way out. they need to focus _ gets the best way out. they need to focus on _ gets the best way out. they need to focus on the — gets the best way out. they need to focus on the actual— gets the best way out. they need to focus on the actualjury _ focus on the actualjury instructions _ focus on the actualjury instructions and - focus on the actualjury . instructions and whatever focus on the actualjury - instructions and whatever it is focus on the actualjury _ instructions and whatever it is they

believe _ instructions and whatever it is they believe that — instructions and whatever it is they believe that could _ instructions and whatever it is they believe that could comply- instructions and whatever it is they believe that could comply with - instructions and whatever it is they| believe that could comply with new york law _ believe that could comply with new york law this _ believe that could comply with new york law. this is _ believe that could comply with new york law. this is not _ believe that could comply with new york law. this is not about- believe that could comply with new york law. this is not about fox - believe that could comply with new. york law. this is not about fox news interview _ york law. this is not about fox news interview and — york law. this is not about fox news interview and the _ york law. this is not about fox news interview and the type _ york law. this is not about fox news interview and the type of _ york law. this is not about fox news interview and the type of stuff - york law. this is not about fox news interview and the type of stuff that l interview and the type of stuff that appeals _ interview and the type of stuff that appeals to — interview and the type of stuff that appeals to trump's _ interview and the type of stuff that appeals to trump's based - interview and the type of stuff thati appeals to trump's based throwing out conspiracy _ appeals to trump's based throwing out conspiracy theories. _ appeals to trump's based throwing out conspiracy theories. this - appeals to trump's based throwingl out conspiracy theories. this should be about— out conspiracy theories. this should be about justice _ out conspiracy theories. this should be about justice and _ out conspiracy theories. this should be about justice and whether- out conspiracy theories. this should be about justice and whether he - out conspiracy theories. this should be about justice and whether he got a fair— be about justice and whether he got a fair triat~ — be about justice and whether he got a fairtriat~ i— be about justice and whether he got a fair trial. i believe _ be about justice and whether he got a fair trial. i believe he _ be about justice and whether he got a fair trial. i believe he did - be about justice and whether he got a fair trial. i believe he did and - a fair trial. i believe he did and i believe — a fair trial. i believe he did and i believe the _ a fair trial. i believe he did and i believe the verdict _ a fair trial. i believe he did and i believe the verdict will - a fair trial. i believe he did and i believe the verdict will not - a fair trial. i believe he did and i believe the verdict will not be i believe the verdict will not be overturned. _ believe the verdict will not be overturned, but _ believe the verdict will not be overturned, but he _ believe the verdict will not be overturned, but he has- believe the verdict will not be overturned, but he has every| believe the verdict will not be - overturned, but he has every right to an _ overturned, but he has every right to an appeat _ overturned, but he has every right to an appeal-— to an appeal. hold on, “ust to bring about one point. _ he said this before the trial even started that he could not get a feel or trial in new york, what do you think of that? tn; or trial in new york, what do you think of that?— or trial in new york, what do you think of that? try that on the new york appellate _ think of that? try that on the new york appellate courts, _ think of that? try that on the new york appellate courts, you - think of that? try that on the new york appellate courts, you can't . think of that? try that on the new. york appellate courts, you can't get a fair— york appellate courts, you can't get a fair trial— york appellate courts, you can't get a fair trial in— york appellate courts, you can't get a fair trial in manhattan— york appellate courts, you can't get a fair trial in manhattan and - york appellate courts, you can't get a fair trial in manhattan and you're i a fair trial in manhattan and you're not going — a fair trial in manhattan and you're not going to — a fair trial in manhattan and you're not going to go _ a fair trial in manhattan and you're not going to go anywhere - a fair trial in manhattan and you're not going to go anywhere with - a fair trial in manhattan and you're i not going to go anywhere with that. that argument _ not going to go anywhere with that. that argument makes _ not going to go anywhere with that. that argument makes no _ not going to go anywhere with that. that argument makes no sense. - not going to go anywhere with that. that argument makes no sense. if. that argument makes no sense. if you commit _ that argument makes no sense. if you commit a _ that argument makes no sense. if you commit a crime — that argument makes no sense. if you commit a crime in— that argument makes no sense. if you commit a crime in a _ that argument makes no sense. if you commit a crime in a jurisdiction - commit a crime in a jurisdiction you're — commit a crime in a jurisdiction you're going _ commit a crime in a jurisdiction you're going to— commit a crime in a jurisdiction you're going to he _ commit a crime in a jurisdiction you're going to be tried - commit a crime in a jurisdiction you're going to be tried in - commit a crime in a jurisdiction you're going to be tried in a - you're going to be tried in a jurisdiction, _ you're going to be tried in a jurisdiction, and _ you're going to be tried in a jurisdiction, and that's - you're going to be tried in a jurisdiction, and that'sjusti you're going to be tried in a i jurisdiction, and that'sjust the way it— jurisdiction, and that'sjust the way it works _ jurisdiction, and that'sjust the way it works. whether - jurisdiction, and that'sjust the way it works. whether you - jurisdiction, and that'sjust the way it works. whether you are | jurisdiction, and that's just the - way it works. whether you are donald trump _ way it works. whether you are donald trump or— way it works. whether you are donald trump or anyone _ way it works. whether you are donald trump or anyone else, _ way it works. whether you are donald trump or anyone else, and _ way it works. whether you are donald trump or anyone else, and plenty- trump or anyone else, and plenty of criminal— trump or anyone else, and plenty of criminal defendants— trump or anyone else, and plenty of criminal defendants don't _ trump or anyone else, and plenty of criminal defendants don't like - trump or anyone else, and plenty of criminal defendants don't like the i criminal defendants don't like the 'ury criminal defendants don't like the jury come — criminal defendants don't like the jury come the _ criminal defendants don't like the jury come the jury _ criminal defendants don't like the jury come the jury is _ criminal defendants don't like the jury come the jury is different - criminal defendants don't like thel jury come the jury is different than them _ jury come the jury is different than them whether— jury come the jury is different than them whether it's _

jury come the jury is different than them whether it's political - them whether it's political conviction— them whether it's political conviction or— them whether it's political conviction or racial- them whether it's political - conviction or racial composition, whatever— conviction or racial composition, whatever it _ conviction or racial composition, whatever it is _