house, mikejohnson, speaker of the house, saying today is a shameful day in american history. that statement from the speaker of the house, mikejohnson. wejust mentioned that the credibility was one of the points the defence made. remind us again as you talk about the points where you think there is the points where you think there is the lines for the appeal, where you see the holes?

we know that harvey weinstein�*s convention was overturned. a lot of evidence was a highly prejudicial. certainly, the stormy daniels testimony and the testimony from david pecker wasn't really pertinent to necessarily stormy daniels. the issue as far as the money that was given over. her �*s testimony went way beyond the business record record. this is what this case was about. then you have a conspiracy that was argued which was not charged, you have a menu of three different crimes that the jury could pick from, and they didn't have to

agree on which crime they would rely on. you have a law which was incredibly novel as to the way it was used. it's never been used that sway. the actual charges were time—barred, but because of machinations relating to how they took this up, they brought this into court. so there are a lot of questions here, and of course you have thejudge, questions here, and of course you have the judge, whether he was biased, whether that affected the jury, the fact that they were not allowed to bring in an election expert when it clearly, state election law and federal election law were both two of the three crimes that could be brought. did you also have tax fraud issues that they brought up on closing. it wasn't discussed, one in charge, wasn't discussed, one in charge, wasn't brought up during the trial, so that means the defendant and have a chance to respond. there are lots of issues and even more than that.

clearly, there will be an appeal. it's going to be, i'm sure argued very strenuously by trump's team and it will be very interesting to watch. 0k come of those are points that are likely to be brought up and we're still looking here at pictures of manhattan and we were also looking for the da alvin bragg, that's been announced for 630 so we are behind on that but we'll go to it as soon as it happens. we have bbc correspondent katie k, and i want to get what you're hearing, possible reactions from the trump team as to what your sources are saying. i landed at washington airport about 50 minutes ago to hear the news but i am 50 minutes ago to hear the news but lam already— 50 minutes ago to hear the news but i am already getting responses from people _ i am already getting responses from people who are close to president trump _ people who are close to president trump and — people who are close to president trump and also senior people in the biden_ trump and also senior people in the biden campaigns, and the biden campaign is telling me they are

projecting confidence that they have always _ projecting confidence that they have always felt we knew all along that we were _ always felt we knew all along that we were going to beat trump at the ballot _ we were going to beat trump at the ballot box _ we were going to beat trump at the ballot box and they were saying the only way really for them to be president trump whether or not he's a convicted _ president trump whether or not he's a convicted felon is at the ballot box but — a convicted felon is at the ballot box but they said they always felt were going to do that but this reinforces the sense of confidence on the _ reinforces the sense of confidence on the biden side that they will be able to— on the biden side that they will be able to be — on the biden side that they will be able to be president trump, they will be _ able to be president trump, they will be able to beat president trump in november, let's see what happens there _ in november, let's see what happens there it's _ in november, let's see what happens there. it's interesting, from the trump — there. it's interesting, from the trump team people close to president trump _ trump team people close to president trump l _ trump team people close to president trump i haven't got hold of someone serrior— trump i haven't got hold of someone senior irr— trump i haven't got hold of someone senior in the — trump i haven't got hold of someone senior in the trump campaign but what _ senior in the trump campaign but what i _ senior in the trump campaign but what i am— senior in the trump campaign but what i am speaking to people who are close to _ what i am speaking to people who are close to president trump in one of them _ close to president trump in one of them has — close to president trump in one of them hasjust texted me, it's a gop civil war _ them hasjust texted me, it's a gop civilwar it's— them hasjust texted me, it's a gop civil war. it's a republican party civil— civil war. it's a republican party civil war and what he was referring to is the _ civil war and what he was referring to is the fact that this is a moment in which _ to is the fact that this is a moment in which team trump is watching to see which— in which team trump is watching to see which republicans defend the president and which republicans defend _ president and which republicans defend the justjudicial president and which republicans defend the just judicial process.

yotr've — defend the just judicial process. you've already had one of trump's campaign — you've already had one of trump's campaign manager post on twitter that this _ campaign manager post on twitter that this is — campaign manager post on twitter that this is the end of the campaign of one _ that this is the end of the campaign of one republican who is running for the senate — of one republican who is running for the senate in maryland who had defended the judicial process so very clear— defended the judicial process so very clear lines being drawn in the trump _ very clear lines being drawn in the trump campaign, another person close to president— trump campaign, another person close to president trump has texted me to say that— to president trump has texted me to say that they always, they were surprised — say that they always, they were surprised by this verdict although i'm surprised by this verdict although i'm not— surprised by this verdict although i'm not sure about that because i've heard _ i'm not sure about that because i've heard from — i'm not sure about that because i've heard from some trump people that they expected a hung jury, anyway they expected a hung jury, anyway they are _ they expected a hung jury, anyway they are not saying surprised by this verdict and were saying that they will— this verdict and were saying that they will appeal it. so this is going — they will appeal it. so this is going to _ they will appeal it. so this is going to play out legally, one thing that has— going to play out legally, one thing that has struck me is that it raises my initial— that has struck me is that it raises my initial reaction to this and watching _ my initial reaction to this and watching what i'm hearing from around — watching what i'm hearing from around republican party and particularly pro—trump party circles that this _ particularly pro—trump party circles that this raises the temperature in a country— that this raises the temperature in a country that was already pretty on edge _ a country that was already pretty on edge and _ a country that was already pretty on edge. and what you're hearing about

people _ edge. and what you're hearing about people talking about this being a dangerous moment and democrats will come after— dangerous moment and democrats will come after republican families, this raises _ come after republican families, this raises the _ come after republican families, this raises the temperature and i think it's no— raises the temperature and i think it's no surprise to me that the police — it's no surprise to me that the police in — it's no surprise to me that the police in new york are stepping up security precautions tonight, because _ security precautions tonight, because this is a tense moment in america. — because this is a tense moment in america, this has never happened before _ america, this has never happened before we — america, this has never happened before. we don't know what the political — before. we don't know what the political outcome of this will become _ political outcome of this will become a we don't know what impact this will— become a we don't know what impact this will have yet on the election campaign — this will have yet on the election campaign but it does come in a country— campaign but it does come in a country that is already polarised and where there is quite a lot of violent political rhetoric out there. _ violent political rhetoric out there, i've heard it, you've heard it and _ there, i've heard it, you've heard it and this — there, i've heard it, you've heard it and this is _ there, i've heard it, you've heard it and this is going to make a lot of people nervous.— it and this is going to make a lot of people nervous. such an important oint on of people nervous. such an important point on the — of people nervous. such an important point on the temperature _ of people nervous. such an important point on the temperature in _ of people nervous. such an important point on the temperature in the - point on the temperature in the country retina, we have been seeing some reactions pouring in from republicans in support of donald trump. i want to go back to a few points you made. first of all perhaps to ask we have all been watching or hearing rather how donald trump is reacting in the courtroom the last few weeks and that moment the verdict came down,

that moment the verdict came down, that he didn't actually react, he stayed very still. give us your sense of how he would be taking all this. 50 sense of how he would be taking all this. , ,., ~' sense of how he would be taking all this. , ,., ,, ., sense of how he would be taking all this. , ., ,~ this. so i spoke to somebody a few minutes ago _ this. so i spoke to somebody a few minutes ago who _ this. so i spoke to somebody a few minutes ago who knew— this. so i spoke to somebody a few minutes ago who knew donald - this. so i spoke to somebody a few. minutes ago who knew donald trump very well— minutes ago who knew donald trump very well who worked in his first administration, who was with him on the campaign trail for a long time in 2015— the campaign trail for a long time in 2015 and he says having known donald _ in 2015 and he says having known donald trump that this is going to really come of the word to use to me were, _ really come of the word to use to me were, this _ really come of the word to use to me were, this will make him boil and that he _ were, this will make him boil and that he will— were, this will make him boil and that he will be furious at this. and furious _ that he will be furious at this. and furious this — that he will be furious at this. and furious this is out of his control, that— furious this is out of his control, that he — furious this is out of his control, that he can't control this. sol... despite — that he can't control this. sol... despite you _ that he can't control this. sol... despite you know, and economists response _ despite you know, and economists response to this additional verdict, this is— response to this additional verdict, this is not— response to this additional verdict, this is notjust reading the transcript. —— equananimous attacking the judge

to be impartial, talking about again millions— to be impartial, talking about again millions of— to be impartial, talking about again millions of people coming into the country— millions of people coming into the country a — millions of people coming into the country a hodgepodge collection of all the _ country a hodgepodge collection of all the things that donald trump talks— all the things that donald trump talks about but of course that the -a l talks about but of course that the gag order— talks about but of course that the gag order is lifted on him he is going directly after the system and the judge himself. so going directly after the system and thejudge himself. sol going directly after the system and the judge himself. so i can't imagine _ the judge himself. so i can't imagine that this is going to make donald _ imagine that this is going to make donald trump very happy. nobody that i donald trump very happy. nobody that i have _ donald trump very happy. nobody that i have spoken to in the course of the last— i have spoken to in the course of the last 45— i have spoken to in the course of the last 45 minutes since i heard the last 45 minutes since i heard the verdict — the last 45 minutes since i heard the verdict seems to think that donald — the verdict seems to think that donald trump is going to go to prison— donald trump is going to go to prison for— donald trump is going to go to prison for this, it's a first offence~ _ prison for this, it's a first offence. it's a nonviolent offence, but just _ offence. it's a nonviolent offence, but just the fact of being a convicted felon is, is a blow to anybody— convicted felon is, is a blow to anybody and i can't imagine that it's the _ anybody and i can't imagine that it's the kind of thing that anybody is thrilled — it's the kind of thing that anybody is thrilled to hear the news of let alone _ is thrilled to hear the news of let alone somebody who is running for president— alone somebody who is running for president of the united states and as he _ president of the united states and as he said — president of the united states and as he said in that statement clearly believes— as he said in that statement clearly believes that this was rigged against — believes that this was rigged against him and as other trump supporters are also saying, that this is— supporters are also saying, that this is a — supporters are also saying, that this is a rigged system and it was against _ this is a rigged system and it was against him, even though there's no

evidence _ against him, even though there's no evidence of— against him, even though there's no evidence of course that joe against him, even though there's no evidence of course thatjoe biden was behind any of this. evidence of course that joe biden was behind any of this.— evidence of course that joe biden was behind any of this. indeed, and he is saying. _ was behind any of this. indeed, and he is saying. as _ was behind any of this. indeed, and he is saying, as you're _ was behind any of this. indeed, and he is saying, as you're speaking we| he is saying, as you're speaking we are looking at pictures of the room where the press conference with da alvin bragg is going to take place. . you mentioned some of your contacts in the biden campaign and president biden's world as well, we've been speaking with our guests here i think richard paynter was saying he was quite disappointed that you saw the biden harris campaign issue a statement that he wished that they hadn't had a reaction, that adds to the temperature you mentioned. what do you think of that? so temperature you mentioned. what do you think of that? sal temperature you mentioned. what do you think of that?— you think of that? so i had one, i texted with _ you think of that? so i had one, i texted with one _ you think of that? so i had one, i texted with one democratic- texted with one democratic congressmanjust texted with one democratic congressman just a texted with one democratic congressmanjust a few texted with one democratic congressman just a few minutes ago, he just— congressman just a few minutes ago, he just texted me back saying truly no person— he just texted me back saying truly no person is above the law. it's heartening _ no person is above the law. it's heartening to see that proven true. so i heartening to see that proven true. so i think— heartening to see that proven true. so i think democrats are trying to play this— so i think democrats are trying to play this is— so i think democrats are trying to play this is the judicial system working — play this is the judicial system working in the way that it is meant to work— working in the way that it is meant to work and — working in the way that it is meant to work and pointing us to the november elections. i think it would

have been. — november elections. i think it would have been, honestly, quite surprising if the biden campaign hadn't _ surprising if the biden campaign hadn't issued some kind of statement. the president of the united _ statement. the president of the united states running against donald trump, _ united states running against donald trump, a _ united states running against donald trump, a former president, it's the first time _ trump, a former president, it's the first time in— trump, a former president, it's the first time in american history that you have — first time in american history that you have a — first time in american history that you have a former president convicted _ you have a former president convicted of a felony. so it would have _ convicted of a felony. so it would have been. — convicted of a felony. so it would have been, ithink, a little unrealistic to not have the biden campaign — unrealistic to not have the biden campaign issue some kind of statement. it is going to be interesting to see in the coming days— interesting to see in the coming days that — interesting to see in the coming days that i don't know how this is going _ days that i don't know how this is going to — days that i don't know how this is going to play out. i remember in 2022, _ going to play out. i remember in 2022, people spoke to me directly about— 2022, people spoke to me directly about civil — 2022, people spoke to me directly about civil war. people told me they were going _ about civil war. people told me they were going to take up arms if republicans lost the midterm elections. there was no civil war, people _ elections. there was no civil war, people did — elections. there was no civil war, people did not take up arms because of the _ people did not take up arms because of the midterm election. i'm always a little _ of the midterm election. i'm always a little bit _ of the midterm election. i'm always a little bit wary of that kind of hyperbole talk. it will be interesting to see who can bring the temperature down. who are the figures — temperature down. who are the figures on — temperature down. who are the figures on both sides who have both the authority of the calmness and

some _ the authority of the calmness and some degree of bipartisan support who can _ some degree of bipartisan support who can bring the temperature down when _ who can bring the temperature down when there _ who can bring the temperature down when there are going to be a lot of people _ when there are going to be a lot of people on— when there are going to be a lot of people on both sides that have an interest— people on both sides that have an interest now in rationing —— ratcheting _ interest now in rationing —— ratcheting up the temperature. and using _ ratcheting up the temperature. and using this _ ratcheting up the temperature. and using this for political gain one side _ using this for political gain one side of— using this for political gain one side of the other. in the end it will be — side of the other. in the end it will be up _ side of the other. in the end it will be up to american voters. their will be up to american voters. their will maybe — will be up to american voters. their will maybe be an appeal, we will see what kind _ will maybe be an appeal, we will see what kind of sentence, four days right _ what kind of sentence, four days right before the republican convention, the judge hands down to former— convention, the judge hands down to former president trump but the political— former president trump but the political implications of this i think— political implications of this i think we _ political implications of this i think we still have to wait a little while to— think we still have to wait a little while to see how that plays out. as you've while to see how that plays out. you've been while to see how that plays out. is you've been speaking, still waiting for that press conference to take place and i'm going to bring back our other guests to comment on what you're saying. memory, what do you make of that? we are waiting to see who can actually dial down the temperature at this moment because this is going to be such a heated moment going forward in this campaign as well.— moment going forward in this campaign as well. right, well it's a cuestion campaign as well. right, well it's a question whether _ campaign as well. right, well it's a question whether they _ campaign as well. right, well it's a question whether they are - campaign as well. right, well it's a question whether they are actually | question whether they are actually going to try to dial it down. i suspected the one side is going to

use this to refer to him probably constantly now as the convicted felon. and trump and his side are certainly going to this as him being a martyr and how unfair the system is and that this was a political witchhunt. so i don't really see either side actually trying to calm things, i think that both sides are going to try to use this to their advantage to win the election and win the election in november. and try to use this to get to that end. richard, do you agree with its assessment?— richard, do you agree with its assessment? ~ �*, ., assessment? well, it's a political ear and assessment? well, it's a political year and everybody _ assessment? well, it's a political year and everybody is _ assessment? well, it's a political year and everybody is going - assessment? well, it's a political year and everybody is going to i assessment? well, it's a politicalj year and everybody is going to be trying _ year and everybody is going to be trying to— year and everybody is going to be trying to politicise _ year and everybody is going to be trying to politicise everything. - trying to politicise everything. 0nce — trying to politicise everything. once again. _ trying to politicise everything. once again. i— trying to politicise everything. once again, i wish _ trying to politicise everything. once again, i wish the - trying to politicise everything. once again, i wish the biden. trying to politicise everything. - once again, iwish the biden harris once again, i wish the biden harris campaign _ once again, i wish the biden harris campaign had _ once again, iwish the biden harris campaign had just— once again, i wish the biden harris campaign had just said _ once again, i wish the biden harris campaign had just said no - once again, i wish the biden harris. campaign had just said no comment. everybody in — campaign had just said no comment. everybody in america _ campaign had just said no comment. everybody in america knows - campaign had just said no comment. everybody in america knows about . everybody in america knows about this and _ everybody in america knows about this and that — everybody in america knows about this and that donald _ everybody in america knows about this and that donald trump - everybody in america knows about this and that donald trump is - everybody in america knows about this and that donald trump is a . this and that donald trump is a convicted — this and that donald trump is a convicted felon. _ this and that donald trump is a convicted felon. that's - this and that donald trump is a convicted felon. that's just - this and that donald trump is a convicted felon. that's just a i this and that donald trump is a . convicted felon. that's just a fact. and we _ convicted felon. that's just a fact. and we don't— convicted felon. that's just a fact. and we don't need _ convicted felon. that's just a fact. and we don't need the _ convicted felon. that's just a fact. and we don't need the biden - convicted felon. that's just a fact. i and we don't need the biden harris campaign _ and we don't need the biden harris campaign to— and we don't need the biden harris campaign to remind _ and we don't need the biden harris campaign to remind us— and we don't need the biden harris campaign to remind us of— and we don't need the biden harris campaign to remind us of that. - campaign to remind us of that. unfortunately, _ campaign to remind us of that. unfortunately, what— campaign to remind us of that. unfortunately, what i- campaign to remind us of that. unfortunately, what i see -

campaign to remind us of that. l unfortunately, what i see going campaign to remind us of that. - unfortunately, what i see going on for the _ unfortunately, what i see going on for the republican _ unfortunately, what i see going on for the republican party— unfortunately, what i see going on for the republican party is- unfortunately, what i see going on for the republican party is one - unfortunately, what i see going on for the republican party is one of. for the republican party is one of the leaders — for the republican party is one of the leaders of _ for the republican party is one of the leaders of the _ for the republican party is one of the leaders of the party - for the republican party is one of the leaders of the party are - the leaders of the party are appealing _ the leaders of the party are appealing to _ the leaders of the party are appealing to the _ the leaders of the party are appealing to the base - the leaders of the party are appealing to the base by i the leaders of the party are - appealing to the base by defending donald _ appealing to the base by defending donald trump, _ appealing to the base by defending donald trump, and _ appealing to the base by defending donald trump, and if— appealing to the base by defending donald trump, and if donald - appealing to the base by defendingl donald trump, and if donald trump appealing to the base by defending i donald trump, and if donald trump is the nominee — donald trump, and if donald trump is the nominee of— donald trump, and if donald trump is the nominee of the _ donald trump, and if donald trump is the nominee of the republican - donald trump, and if donald trump is the nominee of the republican party. the nominee of the republican party which _ the nominee of the republican party which appears likely— the nominee of the republican party which appears likely at _ the nominee of the republican party which appears likely at this - the nominee of the republican party which appears likely at this point, . which appears likely at this point, he is _ which appears likely at this point, he is very— which appears likely at this point, he is very likely _ which appears likely at this point, he is very likely to _ which appears likely at this point, he is very likely to go _ which appears likely at this point, he is very likely to go down - which appears likely at this point, he is very likely to go down in- he is very likely to go down in november _ he is very likely to go down in november. and _ he is very likely to go down in november. and lose - he is very likely to go down in november. and lose to - he is very likely to go down in november. and lose tojoe i he is very likely to go down in- november. and lose tojoe biden. even _ november. and lose tojoe biden. even though— november. and lose tojoe biden. even though there _ november. and lose tojoe biden. even though there is _ november. and lose tojoe biden. even though there is a _ november. and lose tojoe biden. even though there is a lot - november. and lose tojoe biden. even though there is a lot of- even though there is a lot of dissatisfaction _ even though there is a lot of dissatisfaction with- even though there is a lot of dissatisfaction with the i even though there is a lot ofl dissatisfaction with the biden presidency— dissatisfaction with the biden presidency in _ dissatisfaction with the biden presidency in the _ dissatisfaction with the biden presidency in the united i dissatisfaction with the biden i presidency in the united states, dissatisfaction with the biden - presidency in the united states, and of course _ presidency in the united states, and of course that — presidency in the united states, and of course that means _ presidency in the united states, and of course that means in _ presidency in the united states, and of course that means in 2028, - presidency in the united states, and of course that means in 2028, that i of course that means in 2028, that the republicans _ of course that means in 2028, that the republicans have _ of course that means in 2028, that the republicans have a _ of course that means in 2028, that the republicans have a wonderful. the republicans have a wonderful opportunity— the republicans have a wonderful opportunity and _ the republicans have a wonderful opportunity and they— the republicans have a wonderful opportunity and they are - the republicans have a wonderful opportunity and they are going i the republicans have a wonderful opportunity and they are going toj opportunity and they are going to have a _ opportunity and they are going to have a very— opportunity and they are going to have a very competitive - opportunity and they are going to have a very competitive primary i opportunity and they are going to l have a very competitive primary for president— have a very competitive primary for president in— have a very competitive primary for president in 2028 _ have a very competitive primary for president in 2028 and _ have a very competitive primary for president in 2028 and there's - have a very competitive primary for president in 2028 and there's one i president in 2028 and there's one way that— president in 2028 and there's one way that each _ president in 2028 and there's one way that each of— president in 2028 and there's one way that each of these _ president in 2028 and there's one . way that each of these republicans, leaders _ way that each of these republicans, leaders of— way that each of these republicans, leaders of the — way that each of these republicans, leaders of the republican _ way that each of these republicans, leaders of the republican party- leaders of the republican party can appeal— leaders of the republican party can appeal to — leaders of the republican party can appeal to the — leaders of the republican party can appeal to the base _ leaders of the republican party can appeal to the base and _ leaders of the republican party can appeal to the base and get- leaders of the republican party can appeal to the base and get a - appeal to the base and get a head start on— appeal to the base and get a head start on 2028— appeal to the base and get a head start on 2028 and _ appeal to the base and get a head start on 2028 and that _ appeal to the base and get a head start on 2028 and that is - appeal to the base and get a head start on 2028 and that is to - appeal to the base and get a head i start on 2028 and that is to defend donald _ start on 2028 and that is to defend donald trump no _ start on 2028 and that is to defend donald trump no matter— start on 2028 and that is to defend donald trump no matter what. i start on 2028 and that is to defend i donald trump no matter what. that's what's _ donald trump no matter what. that's what's going — donald trump no matter what. that's what's going on— donald trump no matter what. that's what's going on here, _ donald trump no matter what. that's what's going on here, that— donald trump no matter what. that's what's going on here, that is- donald trump no matter what. that's what's going on here, that is vying i what's going on here, that is vying for a _ what's going on here, that is vying for a position— what's going on here, that is vying for a position with _ what's going on here, that is vying for a position with a _ what's going on here, that is vying for a position with a republican i for a position with a republican base, — for a position with a republican base, maybe _ for a position with a republican base, maybe 30% _ for a position with a republican base, maybe 30% of— for a position with a republican base, maybe 30% of the - 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unhinged — and seems to be more and more unhinged in his rhetoric which will be very— unhinged in his rhetoric which will be very tempting for him here after what has _ be very tempting for him here after what has happened, he does risk alienating — what has happened, he does risk alienating the middle and those who don't want _ alienating the middle and those who don't want this country to blow up necessarily, some do but many many do not _ necessarily, some do but many many do not and _ necessarily, some do but many many do not and those who can appeal to fairness. _ do not and those who can appeal to fairness, justice that doesn't include — fairness, justice that doesn't include words like chaos every other day, there _ include words like chaos every other day, there will be an opportunity for them — day, there will be an opportunity for them but it requires a type of discipline — for them but it requires a type of discipline that is very difficult given— discipline that is very difficult given the stakes in our political system — given the stakes in our political system that richard just pointed out. system that richard 'ust pointed out. ., ~ system that richard 'ust pointed out. ., ,, , ., system that richard 'ust pointed out. ., ,, ., system that richard 'ust pointed out. ., ., . ., ., out. thank you all so much for all of our out. thank you all so much for all of your analysis, _ out. thank you all so much for all of your analysis, it's _ out. thank you all so much for all of your analysis, it's been - out. thank you all so much for all of your analysis, it's been great l of your analysis, it's been great to get your take on this historic moment and to get your perspective on what comes next as well and what this means for the country in an important election year. so thank you so much and caddy, i think you're staying on the line with us. i'll come back to the's studio here.

with me is eric cortellessa, staff writer at time who covers donald trump. he recently published an exclusive with mr trump and spoke to him about the trial. i think he knew it could come, you saw him play with expectations yesterday when he said mother... it yesterday when he said mother... it looks like we have that press conference, i'm so sorry to cut in here. we pick up that thought in a moment, but let's listen into what the district attorney says. first and foremost _ the district attorney says. first and foremost i _ the district attorney says. first and foremost i want _ the district attorney says. first and foremost i want to - the district attorney says. f “st and foremost i want to thank the jury and foremost i want to thank the jury for its service, jurors perform a fundamental civic duty. their service is literally the cornerstone of ourjudicial system. we should all be thankfulfor the all be thankful for the careful attention that this jury paid to the

evidence and the law and their time and commitment over these past several weeks. 12 everyday new yorkers, and of course our alternates, heard testimony from 22 witnesses including former and current employees of the defendant, media executives, book publishers, custodians of records and others. they reviewed call logs, text messages and e—mails. they heard recordings, they saw checks and invoices. bank statements and calendar appointments. this type of white—collar prosecution is core to what we do at the manhattan district attorney's office. in the 1930s, district attorney thomas dewey assured in their era of the modern

independent professional prosecutor. for now, nearly 90 years of dedicated professionals in this office have built upon that fine tradition. a major part of our practice during that nearly 90 years has been public integrity work, including cases involving jurists, local and state electives, public service and others. i want to thank this phenomenal prosecution team, embodying the finest traditions of this office, dedication and service, they are model public servants and i am proud and humbled to serve side by side with them. the 12 everyday jurors vowed to make a decision based on the evidence and the law,

and the evidence and the law alone. their deliberations lead them to a unanimous conclusion beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant, donaldj reasonable doubt that the defendant, donald] trump, is guilty of 34 counts of falsifying business records in the first degree, to conceal a scheme to corrupt the 2016 election. and while this defendant may be unlike any other in american history, we arrived at this trial and ultimately today as this verdict in the same manner as every other case that comes through the court from going following the facts and the law and doing so without fear or favour. i want to conclude by expressing deep gratitude to the nypd and the officers of, the

officers of the office of court administration for securing the courthouse all of our safety, we to the courthouse and all of the other matters that are important in their own right continued seamlessly. they will continue to be and have always been incredible partners. thank you. do you plan to request a prison sentence? _ do you plan to request a prison sentence? for donald trump's multiple — sentence? for donald trump's multiple violations of the gag order that was— multiple violations of the gag order that was in— multiple violations of the gag order that was in place? the multiple violations of the gag order that was in place?— that was in place? the 'udge has scheduled a t that was in place? thejudge has scheduled a sentencing - that was in place? thejudge has scheduled a sentencing for- that was in place? thejudge has scheduled a sentencing forjuly l that was in place? the judge has. scheduled a sentencing forjuly11, scheduled a sentencing forjuly 11, we will speak in court at that time. he also has a motion scheduled we will speak in our court filings as we've done throughout this proceeding. we've done throughout this proceeding-— we've done throughout this ”roceedin. ., , proceeding. donald trump has repeatedly- -- _ proceeding. donald trump has

repeatedly... you _ proceeding. donald trump has repeatedly... you and - proceeding. donald trump has repeatedly... you and your i proceeding. donald trump has i repeatedly... you and your team, proceeding. donald trump has - repeatedly... you and your team, and your rivers _ repeatedly... you and your team, and your rivers response to the former president? — your rivers response to the former president? l— your rivers response to the former resident? ., ., president? i do not. inaudible - inaudible what you think of all that now? idid my i did myjob. ourjob is file the facts _ i did myjob. ourjob is file the facts and — i did myjob. ourjob is file the facts and law without fear of favour~ _ facts and law without fear of favour. ~ ., facts and law without fear of favour. ~ . , ., ., favour. what i feel is gratitude to work alongside _ favour. what i feel is gratitude to work alongside phenomenal i favour. what i feel is gratitude to | work alongside phenomenal public servants who do that each and every day, matters that you all write about and make the press and lots of matters that you don't. i did my job, we did ourjob. many voices out there, the only voice that matters is the voice of the jury and the jury is the voice of the jury and the jury has spoken. i

is the voice of the “my and the jury has spoken._ is the voice of the “my and the jury has spoken. i asked mr stine class, jury has spoken. i asked mr stine glass. many _ jury has spoken. i asked mr stine glass. many peeple _ jury has spoken. i asked mr stine glass, many people said - jury has spoken. i asked mr stine glass, many people said the i glass, many people said the prosecution was masterful and flawless — prosecution was masterful and flawless. ijust want to know how you feel — flawless. ijust want to know how you feel at — flawless. ijust want to know how you feel at this moment. how do you feel? _ you feel at this moment. how do you feel? i— you feel at this moment. how do you feel? ~ you feel at this moment. how do you feel? ,, , ., you feel at this moment. how do you feel? ,, , , you feel at this moment. how do you feel? , feel? i think you probably saw him seak for feel? i think you probably saw him speak for a — feel? i think you probably saw him speak for a little _ feel? i think you probably saw him speak for a little bit _ feel? i think you probably saw him speak for a little bit the _ feel? i think you probably saw him speak for a little bit the other i speak for a little bit the other day. laughter so he has done thisjob. i laughter so he has done this 'ob. ., so he has done this 'ob. i would 'ust sa so he has done this 'ob. i would just say enormous i so he has done this job. i would just say enormous gratitude, i so he has done this job. i would| just say enormous gratitude, our system i talk about the jurors at the beginning of my remarks, we have a phenomenal system, 12 everyday new yorkers, they listen to the judge's directions they followed the evidence, you saw them in court every day, they were careful and attentive and so i feel deep gratitude to work alongside them, to be a part of the system and i will just want to echo that this is what we are doing every single day.

during this trial you know, just this week, right, indictment, grimaldi's wage theft, a plea resolution, sex crimes, convictions, all sorts of work that's being done by a phenomenal public servants so we are before you today on this obviously consequential matter, but this is what we do every day. we follow the facts and the law without fear or favour. follow the facts and the law without fear orfavour. if follow the facts and the law without fear or favour. if a follow the facts and the law without fear or favour.— fear or favour. if a 'ail sentence is in the ears. _ fear or favour. if a 'ail sentence is in the cars, it i fear or favour. if a 'ail sentence is in the cars, it is i fear or favour. if a jail sentence is in the cars, it is likely that i is in the cars, it is likely that trump — is in the cars, it is likely that trump and _ is in the cars, it is likely that trump and his attorneys would seek a stay on _ trump and his attorneys would seek a stay on enforcement of that sentence pending _ stay on enforcement of that sentence pending appeal. if that were the scenario. — pending appeal. if that were the scenario, would your office object to staying — scenario, would your office object to staying the sentence? i�*m scenario, would your office ob'ect to staying the sentence? i'm going to staying the sentence? i'm going to let our words _ to staying the sentence? i'm going to let our words in _ to staying the sentence? i'm going to let our words in court speak- to let our words in court speak for themselves when we get to the sentencing matter. i'm not going to address hypothetical. if they raise arguments will respond and i think your question really underscores an

important point. this is an active ongoing matter. we have other phases of this going ahead, we will continue to do are speaking about the matter of issues in court. from da one, the matter of issues in court. from day one. the _ the matter of issues in court. from day one, the viability _ the matter of issues in court. from day one, the viability of— the matter of issues in court. from day one, the viability of this - the matter of issues in court. from day one, the viability of this case has been — day one, the viability of this case has been questioned. all sorts of media _ has been questioned. all sorts of media all— has been questioned. all sorts of media all over the place, according to the _ media all over the place, according to the defendant himself, can you respond _ to the defendant himself, can you respond to— to the defendant himself, can you respond to any of that, how you feel now that you've gotten the conviction? so now that you've gotten the conviction?— now that you've gotten the conviction? , , ., ., now that you've gotten the conviction? , , . . , conviction? so my response again is that i did conviction? so my response again is that i did my — conviction? so my response again is that i did my job- — conviction? so my response again is that i did my job. and _ conviction? so my response again is that i did my job. and i _ conviction? so my response again is that i did my job. and i think- that i did myjob. and i think particularly i talk about the history of the office, my personal history, i started as a prosecutor in 2003 in the public integrity unit and the new york state attorney general 's office. i served also on the public integrity unit in the southern district of new york, these are the kind of cases that i've done personally and it's a hallmark of their tradition of this office that i'm proud to lead and... i want to go into the whole body of litigation, you know, but we now

have a federal court decision, ruling on the legal theories. we had a state court decision on the motions, but most importantly, today we have the most important voice of all, that's a voice of the jurors, they have spoken, donaldj all, that's a voice of the jurors, they have spoken, donald] trump has been convicted of 34 counts of falsifying business records. thank ou. your falsifying business records. thank you. your office _ falsifying business records. thank you. your office has _ falsifying business records. thank you. your office has been... i falsifying business records. thank. you. your office has been... you've been listening _ you. your office has been... you've been listening there _ you. your office has been... you've been listening there to _ you. your office has been... you've been listening there to the - you. your office has been... you've been listening there to the districtl been listening there to the district attorney alvin bragg speaking surrounded by his prosecution team, he talked about the significance of the verdict, he said we did ourjob. i want to bring back our guests. katty, was start with you. he said the 'u katty, was start with you. he said the jury did _ katty, was start with you. he said the jury did their— katty, was start with you. he said the jury did theirjob, _ katty, was start with you. he saidj the jury did theirjob, thinking the thejury did theirjob, thinking the jury thejury did theirjob, thinking the jury for their professionalism and i think interestingly, he repeated a

couple of times when asked about he was worried about some kind of retribution to saying i did myjob without fear or favour. the echoes the line that i'm hearing and i'm checking my phone as i'm getting texting from democrats saying this is about the rule of law and this is what democrats have always said this case was about. this is about showing that the american justice system puts no person, whether they are a former president or not, above the law and they let the justice system play out. obviously what you're hearing from people in donald trump's orbit is something very different as evening, saying this was a rigged system and this proves that the state was out to get donald trump all along. interestingly, people close to donald trump also using this moment or a political campaignfundraising using this moment or a political campaign fundraising moment. a couple of tweets, texts going out going out from a senator from going out from a senatorfrom ohio who is close to present from saying the only way to beat this is to

donate to the trump campaign now. so very different reactions from both sides but alan bragg —— alvin bragg taking a calm measured approach saying it'sjust taking a calm measured approach saying it's just about doing his job. if saying it's 'ust about doing his 'ob. , ., ., , ., , saying it's 'ust about doing his 'ob. ., , ., , job. if you moments of levity as well as he _ job. if you moments of levity as well as he referenced _ job. if you moments of levity as well as he referenced the i job. if you moments of levity as well as he referenced the fact i job. if you moments of levity as i well as he referenced the fact that the prosecutor spend just a few hours in closing arguments in the court. i want to bring you back in as well and introduce nancy cook. with me now is eric cortellessa, a writer for time magazine and nancy cook a senior national political correspondent for bloomberg news. we were about to complete a thought before alvin bragg started talking, but you are discussing his exclusive interview with him for a time whether he was expecting this and you were saying he very much knew that this could come.— that this could come. yeah, we didn't speak — that this could come. yeah, we didn't speak about _ that this could come. yeah, we didn't speak about his - that this could come. yeah, we didn't speak about his legal - that this could come. yeah, we i didn't speak about his legal perils during interview but trump definitely expected and anticipated that the verdict might come back

guilty, you saw him set those expectations yesterday when he told the press mother theresa couldn't beat these charges and you can see just about the infrastructure of the campaign and the plans that they've had in motion that they've unveiled since the verdict has come out that they are planning to under fundraiser over it in spite of the technical glitches on the platform and they have a messaging campaign orchestrated around the idea that this was a persecution not a prosecution for of the president. he's going to argue that this was engineered by democrats who fear that he's going to return to the white house unless they can brand him as a felon. so you're very much saying a an effort to delegitimize the proceedings.— saying a an effort to delegitimize the proceedings. nancy, i want to brina ou the proceedings. nancy, i want to bring you in _ the proceedings. nancy, i want to bring you in on — the proceedings. nancy, i want to bring you in on that _ the proceedings. nancy, i want to bring you in on that as _ the proceedings. nancy, i want to bring you in on that as well. - the proceedings. nancy, i want to. bring you in on that as well. you've been covering both the white house under donald trump and also president biden as well. this really is going to be a moment, isn't it, for donald trump to close ranks behind him and move forward. find for donald trump to close ranks behind him and move forward. and we saw that, behind him and move forward. and we saw that. we — behind him and move forward. and we saw that, we saw _ behind him and move forward. and we saw that, we sawjust _ behind him and move forward. and we saw that, we sawjust the _ behind him and move forward. and we saw that, we sawjust the closing - behind him and move forward. and we saw that, we sawjust the closing of. saw that, we sawjust the closing of ranks _ saw that, we sawjust the closing of ranks this_ saw that, we sawjust the closing of ranks this afternoon, me immediately house _ ranks this afternoon, me immediately house speaker mike johnson came out

with a _ house speaker mike johnson came out with a statement supporting trump, a whole _ with a statement supporting trump, a whole raft _ with a statement supporting trump, a whole raft of people who were auditioning to be his vice president. they came out and express their support as well. i will say that_ their support as well. i will say that the — their support as well. i will say that the campaign has anticipated that the campaign has anticipated that he _ that the campaign has anticipated that he could be found guilty on all 34 counts — that he could be found guilty on all 34 counts but privately, i'm told that you — 34 counts but privately, i'm told that you know, his advisers have been _ that you know, his advisers have been divided about whether or not this wiit— been divided about whether or not this will be politically advantageous to him, all of this public— advantageous to him, all of this public bluster. i'm told that he did not want _ public bluster. i'm told that he did not want to— public bluster. i'm told that he did not want to be a convicted felon, so they'll _ not want to be a convicted felon, so they'll try— not want to be a convicted felon, so they'll try to — not want to be a convicted felon, so they'll try to turn this to the advantage but this is not an outcome that they— advantage but this is not an outcome that they love, they would rather have _ that they love, they would rather have spent the time fundraising and campaigning and not having this guilty— campaigning and not having this guilty conviction hanging over them. also very angry about the outcome. i also very angry about the outcome-— outcome. i think they say there's no _ outcome. i think they say there's no world - outcome. i think they say there's no world in - outcome. i think they say there's no world in which | outcome. i think they say l there's no world in which it outcome. i think they say - there's no world in which it is a very political strength.

they're going to do their best to turn it into an advantage and they can't replicate the same strategy. it was going to work to his benefit. i think that they sort of feel the nobody knows exactly how it's going to play and that if there was these charges that came to try. their mother was this one visibly serious. it doesn't address the core themes that democrats are trying to do. core themes that democrats are trying to do— trying to do. we've been watching _ trying to do. we've been watching the _ a current or a current oi’ former a current or former triangle former the first time in history that a us president is facing a criminal trial. we are going to see the sentencing onjuly ii.