convicted of a crime. this was a rigged, disgraceful trial. the real verdict is going to be vember the fifth by the people. —— november. after the six—week trial, manhattan's district attorney, alvin bragg, defends the jury's verdict. the the jury's verdict. only voice that matters is the the only voice that matters is the voice of the jury, the jury has spoken. hello, i'm carl nasman. welcome back to our continuing coverage of a historic day. a manhattanjury has found former us president donald trump guilty on all 3a charges in his new york hush money trial. it is the first time a us president, former or serving, has been convicted of a crime. mr trump was convicted

of falsifying business records to conceal a hush—money payment made to the former porn star stormy daniels. the verdict, handed down just a few hours ago, comes after two days of deliberations by the jury. the former us president could face up to four years in prison and a $5,000 fine for each count. the trial officially began on april 15th after a lengthy jury selection process. then over the course of more than six weeks, they heard testimonies from mr trump's former business partners including long—time lawyer michael cohen and his accuser stormy daniels. 12 new yorkjurors deliberated for two days to reach thursday's verdict, in which they deemed him guilty on all 3a felony charges. mr trump will return to the manhattan court room onjuly 11th to be sentenced. here's what he said outside the court right after the verdict. this was a disgrace. this was a

rigged trial by a conflicted judge who was corrupt. it is a rigged trial, a disgrace. they wouldn't give us a venue change, we were at 5% or 6% in this district in this area. this was a rigged, disgraceful trial. the real verdict is going to be november the 5th by the people, and they know what happened here and everybody knows what happened here. you have the da and the whole thing, we didn't do a thing wrong. i'm a very innocent man and it's ok, i'm fighting for our country, i'm fighting for our country, i'm fighting for our constitution. 0ur our country, i'm fighting for our constitution. our country is being braked right now, this is being braked right now, this is being braked right now, this is being done by the biden administration. in order to hurt a political opponent. i think it is a disgrace and we will keep fighting, we will

fight to the end and we will win because our country has gone to hell. we don't have the same country any more, we have a divided mess. millions and millions of people pouring into our country right now from prisons and from mental institutions, terrorists, and they are taking over our country. we have a country that is in big trouble. but this was a rigged decision right from day one, with a conflicted judge who should have never been allowed to try this case, never. and we will fight for our constitution. this is long from over, thank you very much. the biden—harris campaign released this statement shortly after the verdict was read, saying: in new york today, we saw that no one is above the law. donald trump has always mistakenly believed he would never face consequences for breaking the law for his own personal gain. but today's verdict does

not change the fact that the american people face a simple reality. there is still only one way to keep donald trump out of the oval office — at the ballot box. convicted felon or not, trump will be the republican nominee for president. alvin bragg, the manhattan district attorney overseeing the criminal case against donald trump, spoke earlier on thursday. the 12 everyday jurors the 12 everydayjurors vowed to make a decision based on the evidence and the law, and the evidence and the law, and the evidence and the law, and the evidence and the law alone. their deliberations will lead them to a unanimous conclusion beyond reasonable doubt, that the defendant donald trump is guilty of 3a counts of falsifying business records in the first degree, to conceal a scheme to corrupt the 2016 election. i did myjob to stop ourjobis election. i did myjob to stop ourjob is to follow election. i did myjob to stop our job is to follow the facts and the law without fear or

favour, that's exactly what we did here, buti favour, that's exactly what we did here, but i feel is gratitude to work alongside phenomenal public servants who do that each and every day. it matters that you are right about it and lots of matters that you don't, i did a job, we did ourjob, many voices out there, the only voice matters is the voice of the jury, and thejury has spoken. joining me live from new york is our north america correspondent nada tawfik. you have been covering this since the very beginning, just tell us, what is the scene right now outside the courthouse?- right now outside the courthouse? ~ , ., , courthouse? well, you still have the — courthouse? well, you still have the world's _ courthouse? well, you still have the world's media - courthouse? well, you still- have the world's media gathered here, reflecting on this verdict, updating viewers essentially are and what happens next, because we are certainly in unprecedented

political and legal territory. but as the sun sets, the park opposite the court is emptied out, police officers are starting to clear the scene, and life in lower manhattan is starting to return to normal. we hear that there are some people add trump tower gathered to protest there, but that's really where the attention is starting to focus, that's where donald trump is tonight, that's where he will hold a press conference tomorrow, there are certainly more to say after spending a night absorbing the fact that he is now the first former president to be a convicted felon. it former president to be a convicted felon.- convicted felon. it will hepefully _ convicted felon. it will hopefully remain - convicted felon. it will hopefully remain so . convicted felon. it willl hopefully remain so for convicted felon. it will- hopefully remain so for the next few weeks butjuly the 11th will be the data we know that donald trump will be expected back in court for sentencing, just walk us through what will likely happen next. . . �* ,

next. yeah, that's right. donald _ next. yeah, that's right. donald trump _ next. yeah, that's right. donald trump will - next. yeah, that's right. donald trump will be . next. yeah, that's right. i donald trump will be here next. yeah, that's right. - donald trump will be here in new york again for sentencing, just days before he is officially nominated for the republican party at their convention injuly. and what we expect is for thejudge convention injuly. and what we expect is for the judge to take a lot of factors into consideration. a first—time offender, this is a non—violent crime, and so many legal experts assume that prison is unlikely here, that he would probably face probation, fines, but certainly not the type of fines we've seen him hit with in his civil cases. an donald trump will also be appealing this. i mean, let's not forget that his legal team doesn't want this to be the last word on this case. any appeals process could take months, so certainly would not wrap up

before the election. but nevertheless, that sentencing, it'll be very interesting to see what the judge takes into consideration, and if he takes those ten violations of the gag order into consideration, because donald trump was threatened with jail if he didn't stop talking about the witnesses and jurors in this case, that wright did have a deterrent effect but nevertheless he did violate that gag order. to nevertheless he did violate that gag order.— nevertheless he did violate that gag order. nevertheless he did violate that .a. order. ., . , that gag order. to have been so ve lona that gag order. to have been so very long days and _ that gag order. to have been so very long days and the - that gag order. to have been so very long days and the strong, i very long days and the strong, it is common for some six weeks, donald trump has had to be in the quarter for every one of those days. —— in the courtroom. what do you make of the way that the former president has reacted throughout the trial, and the way reacted today and that verdict was read out in court? you know, it's been really a sight to behold to see donald trump being forced to sit quietly in a courtroom like a regular criminal defendant, a

man who foreign officials used to host in their countries, the man who held the highest office in the nation, an donald trump would always come out of the courtroom, remain defiant, say he would be a fighter and in the human before the verdict was read, before we knew there was read, before we knew there was a verdict, he was jovial, laughing with his lawyers, he seemed to feel as though the jury seemed to feel as though the jury was going to go home for the day, but when that verdict was read, he sat expressionless, then he stood and stared forward, so certainly for donald trump to see him have to go through that, one can honestly purchase of in that position, nobody wants to be found to be a convicted felon, but donald trump is someone who came out of that courtroom and repeated a lot of the rhetoric we've heard time and again that this was notjust an attack on him but on his supporters. now he is not going to be forced to

stay in that courtroom day after day, hourafter stay in that courtroom day after day, hour after hour, we are likely going to see donald trump go on full attack mode. i expect he will attack everyone who he feels has wronged him, who he feels has wronged him, who hasn't shown him support during this trial, and donald trump will make this something that he mentions in every campaign speech from now until november. campaign speech from now until november-— november. and of course throughout _ november. and of course throughout the _ november. and of course throughout the trial, - november. and of course throughout the trial, that| throughout the trial, that campaign is for the most part put on hold, we are expecting the trial to be a big part of that and i will start up again. thank you so much for all your reporting throughout this entire process in new york. thank you very much. we have plenty of other reaction coming into night on the verdict. michael cohen, trump's former attorney and fixer, who testified as the prosecution's key witness, said thursday marked "an important day for accountability and the rule of law." mr trump's allies also responded, including us house speaker mikejohnson,

writing on x... "today is a shameful day in american history. democrats cheered as they convicted the leader of the opposing party on ridiculous charges, predicated on the testimony of a disbarred, convicted felon. this was a purely political exercise, not a legal one." while former maryland governor and senate candidate larry hogan called for calm, urging all americans to "respect the verdict and the legal process" ahead of the announcement. we can get reaction tonight from our panel. with me is marcus childress, formerjanuary 6th committee congressional investigator, and jessica roth and joe moreno, former federal prosecutors. welcome to you all, thank you for being him. marcus, we will

start with you, what was your reaction to this guilty verdict, notjust a guilty verdict, notjust a guilty verdict but this was handed down on all 3a counts, wasn't it, by thejury? it down on all 34 counts, wasn't it, by the jury?— it, by the “ury? it was, i think it, by thejury? it was, i think what _ it, by thejury? it was, i think what the - it, by thejury? it was, i think what the da - it, by thejury? it was, i think what the da said i it, by thejury? it was, i| think what the da said it it, by thejury? it was, i- think what the da said it was pretty important, we were just doing ourjobs, that's where the prosecution and the government should look at criminal cases, it is not something to be celebrated, it is a pretty solemn day to see a former president convicted, but it's a great day to see our institutions doing what they're supposed to do which is to hold everyone accountable to the law. my immediate reaction was happy to see our institution holding up. there have been attacks on our institutions, whether it be the ability of congress to certify notion or states to make a decision on an election and now in our judicial system we see a tax on it for the past year or so, so unhappy our institutions are holding up, and the 12 impartialjurors were able to go on and make a decision after

hearing evidence from the prosecution, and make a ruling in a way that seems like it is business as usual.— business as usual. jessica roth, business as usual. jessica roth. also _ business as usual. jessica roth, also with _ business as usual. jessica roth, also with us, - business as usual. jessica roth, also with us, four. business as usual. jessical roth, also with us, four -- business as usual. jessica - roth, also with us, four -- my roth, also with us, four —— my formerfederal roth, also with us, four —— my former federal prosecutor, what we are constantly, what was your reaction when the verdict was read by thejury? i your reaction when the verdict was read by the jury?- was read by the “ury? i agree, today was h was read by the “ury? i agree, today was a — was read by thejury? i agree, today was a historic _ was read by thejury? i agree, today was a historic day - was read by thejury? i agree, today was a historic day and i was read by thejury? i agree, today was a historic day and a | today was a historic day and a sober— today was a historic day and a sober day~ _ today was a historic day and a sober day. i was gratified to see — sober day. i was gratified to see that _ sober day. i was gratified to see that the criminaljustice system _ see that the criminaljustice system worked in an orderly fashion _ system worked in an orderly fashion and i felt it was remarkable how quickly the jurors — remarkable how quickly the jurors returned a unanimous verdict — jurors returned a unanimous verdict of— jurors returned a unanimous verdict of guilty on all 34 counts _ verdict of guilty on all 34 counts. but it was apparent that— counts. but it was apparent that they didn't rush, in my opinion, _ that they didn't rush, in my opinion, and that it two days of deliberations and critically, they asked to have testimony read back to them and to get— testimony read back to them and to get clarification of some of the jury— to get clarification of some of the jury instructions. the testimony they asked for and the particular instructions of law that _ the particular instructions of law that they asked to have read — law that they asked to have read back in my mind showed that— read back in my mind showed that they— read back in my mind showed that they really were honed in on some — that they really were honed in on some of the critical issues in the — on some of the critical issues in the case, they wanted to hear— in the case, they wanted to hear again the testimony of david —

hear again the testimony of david pecker, which essentially was the — david pecker, which essentially was the start of the prosecution's case, and the start— prosecution's case, and the start of— prosecution's case, and the start of the narrative about the scheme with michael cohen and donald trump to catch and kill stories were negative for trump — kill stories were negative for trump in _ kill stories were negative for trump in the lead up to the november 2016 election. david pecker— november 2016 election. david pecker corroborated michael cohen's _ pecker corroborated michael cohen's testimony about that scheme _ cohen's testimony about that scheme. damned —— and david pecker— scheme. damned —— and david pecker had _ scheme. damned —— and david pecker had no bias against donald _ pecker had no bias against donald trump, he had no axe to grind _ donald trump, he had no axe to grind with— donald trump, he had no axe to grind with him. the jury asked for instructions about accomplice liability which is the legal mechanism by which donald — the legal mechanism by which donald trump can be held accountable by thisjury donald trump can be held accountable by this jury for the falsification of the business records of the trump organisation, even though he personally did not necessarily faisifv— personally did not necessarily falsify each and every one of those — falsify each and every one of those records. that said to me that— those records. that said to me that the — those records. that said to me that the jury was really focused on what the issues were in the _ focused on what the issues were in the case — focused on what the issues were in the case and they took their 'ob in the case and they took their job verv— in the case and they took their job very seriously. joe in the case and they took their job very seriously.— job very seriously. joe moreno is with us. _ job very seriously. joe moreno is with us, former _ job very seriously. joe moreno is with us, former federal - is with us, former federal prosecutor as well, just reflecting on whatjessica said, what did you make of the way these cases were laid out

tjy way these cases were laid out by the prosecution, by the defence? do you think the prosecution played cards right and the defence simply in the end felt the evidence was too strong to try to defend? i end felt the evidence was too strong to try to defend?- strong to try to defend? i will echo the sentiment _ strong to try to defend? i will echo the sentiment of- strong to try to defend? i will echo the sentiment of my - strong to try to defend? i will echo the sentiment of my fellow guests— echo the sentiment of my fellow guests and — echo the sentiment of my fellow guests and respecting _ echo the sentiment of my fellow guests and respecting the - echo the sentiment of my fellow guests and respecting the rule l guests and respecting the rule of law— guests and respecting the rule of law and _ guests and respecting the rule of law and i_ guests and respecting the rule of law and i will— guests and respecting the rule of law and i will respect - guests and respecting the rule of law and i will respect the i of law and i will respect the fact— of law and i will respect the fact that _ of law and i will respect the fact that the _ of law and i will respect the fact that the jury— of law and i will respect the fact that the jury did - of law and i will respect the fact that the jury did its - of law and i will respect the| fact that the jury did its job. but i — fact that the jury did its job. but i maintain _ fact that the jury did its job. but i maintain this- fact that the jury did its job. but i maintain this is- fact that the jury did its job. but i maintain this is a - but i maintain this is a nonsensical— but i maintain this is a nonsensical case. - but i maintain this is a nonsensical case. i- but i maintain this is a - nonsensical case. i believe this— nonsensical case. i believe this was— nonsensical case. i believe this was absolutely- nonsensical case. i believe this was absolutely not - nonsensical case. i believel this was absolutely not just doing — this was absolutely not just doing alvin— this was absolutely not just doing alvin bragg's - this was absolutely not just doing alvin bragg'sjob, - this was absolutely not just doing alvin bragg'sjob, he| this was absolutely not just . doing alvin bragg'sjob, he ran the national— doing alvin bragg'sjob, he ran the national prosecuting - doing alvin bragg'sjob, he ran. the national prosecuting donald trump _ the national prosecuting donald trump for— the national prosecuting donald trump for something, _ the national prosecuting donald trump for something, they - trump for something, they settie _ trump for something, they settle this _ trump for something, they settle this case _ trump for something, they settle this case for - trump for something, they settle this case for six - trump for something, theyl settle this case for six years and — settle this case for six years and they— settle this case for six years and they launched - settle this case for six years and they launched it - settle this case for six years and they launched it just - settle this case for six years and they launched itjust inl and they launched itjust in time — and they launched itjust in time for— and they launched itjust in time for this— and they launched itjust in time for this year's - and they launched itjust in. time for this year's election. the — time for this year's election. the entire _ time for this year's election. the entire theory _ time for this year's election. the entire theory of - time for this year's election. the entire theory of the - time for this year's election. | the entire theory of the case was — the entire theory of the case was incredibly— the entire theory of the case was incredibly creative, - the entire theory of the case l was incredibly creative, there bar was incredibly creative, there har was— was incredibly creative, there bar was hidden and to - was incredibly creative, therel bar was hidden and to literally closing — bar was hidden and to literally closing arguments _ bar was hidden and to literally closing arguments and - bar was hidden and to literally closing arguments and the - bar was hidden and to literally. closing arguments and the judge twisted — closing arguments and the judge twisted himself— closing arguments and the judge twisted himself into _ closing arguments and the judge twisted himself into knots - closing arguments and the judge twisted himself into knots in - twisted himself into knots in order— twisted himself into knots in order to _ twisted himself into knots in order to assist _ twisted himself into knots in order to assist the _ order to assist the prosecution. - order to assist the prosecution. so. order to assist the prosecution. so i. order to assist the - prosecution. so i believe order to assist the _ prosecution. so i believe this case — prosecution. so i believe this case is — prosecution. so i believe this case is replete _ prosecution. so i believe this case is replete with - prosecution. so i believe this case is replete with error, . prosecution. so i believe this case is replete with error, i. case is replete with error, i do believe _ case is replete with error, i do believe it— case is replete with error, i do believe it will— case is replete with error, i do believe it will be - case is replete with error, i. do believe it will be reversed on appeal— do believe it will be reversed on appeal and _ do believe it will be reversed

on appealand i— do believe it will be reversed on appeal and i think - do believe it will be reversed on appeal and i think the - on appeal and i think the entire _ on appeal and i think the entire thing _ on appeal and i think the entire thing is _ on appeal and i think the entire thing is a - on appeal and i think the | entire thing is a travesty. marcus. _ entire thing is a travesty. marcus, what— entire thing is a travesty. marcus, what do - entire thing is a travesty. marcus, what do you - entire thing is a travesty. i marcus, what do you make entire thing is a travesty. - marcus, what do you make of whatjoe moreno said? i marcus, what do you make of what joe moreno said? i clearly disauree. what joe moreno said? i clearly disagree- 12 — what joe moreno said? i clearly disagree. 12 jurors _ what joe moreno said? i clearly disagree. 12 jurors also - disagree. 12jurors also disagree. 12 jurors also disagree with that. there is a lot of documentary evidence the prosecution put forward. i view this as a pretty classic white collar case where you have clear payments made from a foreign president cohen who was made to fix and kill a story leading up to the election forced i want to say, thought the narrative of the prosecution about why the records were falsified, i thought it was pretty important and a lot of folks thought it might have been a stretch but they clearly did not think it was. the stories were killed, they were taken off the air because of the election and we had testimony that after the access hollywood takes were aired, the trump campaign was in panic mode and that's what precipitated and led to these payments. i thought the prosecution later in their opening statement, it came through in every witness testimony and in the documents, there was corroboration, thought the jury instructions

were pretty standard and i thought the jurors were very deliberate in asking about certain instructions, as we heard earlier, but testimony being read back, and i think it was pretty standard white collar case. the only thing that wasn't standard about it, which is to defend it but otherwise it was pretty standard.— otherwise it was pretty standard. , , ., standard. jessica, we heard from joe — standard. jessica, we heard from joe moreno _ standard. jessica, we heard from joe moreno saying - standard. jessica, we heard from joe moreno saying he | standard. jessica, we heard i from joe moreno saying he felt from joe moreno saying he felt this case would be overturned on appeal, can you walk us through what you expect might come next week? we are pretty certain that the will be appealed by donald trump. it appealed by donald trump. it will absolutely be appealed. he will absolutely be appealed. he will he — will absolutely be appealed. he will be sentenced and he will appeal— will be sentenced and he will appeal the conviction and the sentence, whatever it is, and he will— sentence, whatever it is, and he will take his first appeal to the _ he will take his first appeal to the intermediate court in the state of new york, he has appeal— the state of new york, he has appeal is— the state of new york, he has appeal is right there so they have — appeal is right there so they have to _ appeal is right there so they have to consider it. and depending on what happens there. — depending on what happens there. if— depending on what happens there, if they were to reverse

it, there, if they were to reverse it. it — there, if they were to reverse it, it would go back to the trial— it, it would go back to the trial court and that could be potentially a new trial. if they— potentially a new trial. if they upheld the conviction and sentence, then he could seek further— sentence, then he could seek further appeal in the highest court — further appeal in the highest court of— further appeal in the highest court of new york state, which is the — court of new york state, which is the new york court of appeals, but that is not as of right — appeals, but that is not as of right he _ appeals, but that is not as of right. he would have to be granted _ right. he would have to be granted an appeal there. do you think he has _ granted an appeal there. do you think he has grounds _ granted an appeal there. do you think he has grounds for- granted an appeal there. do you think he has grounds for an - think he has grounds for an appeal, other legal grounds that president trump's lawyers could bring that would have any strong legal basis? i could bring that would have any strong legal basis?— strong legal basis? i think there are _ strong legal basis? i think there are legal _ strong legal basis? i think there are legal questions | strong legal basis? i think- there are legal questions that there are legal questions that the appellant courts would take very seriously and those would include — very seriously and those would include this use of the new yort— include this use of the new york election law, the conspiracy statute that makes it a crime _ conspiracy statute that makes it a crime to conspire with others _ it a crime to conspire with others to— it a crime to conspire with others to promote an election through— others to promote an election through our lawful means, and that being used as a felony that— that being used as a felony that essentially elevates what would — that essentially elevates what would otherwise be the misdemeanour of falsification of business records to a felony itseif~ —

of business records to a felony itself i— of business records to a felony itself. i think the courts would _ itself. i think the courts would look seriously at the use of that — would look seriously at the use of that statute which is in and of that statute which is in and of itself — of that statute which is in and of itself a _ of that statute which is in and of itself a misdemeanour and the fact— of itself a misdemeanour and the fact that statute was used to incorporate other provisions of law — to incorporate other provisions of law including federal election law, as the unlawful means— election law, as the unlawful means pursued by the conspiracy. that is a novel use of the — conspiracy. that is a novel use of the statute, so i'm sure that — of the statute, so i'm sure that the _ of the statute, so i'm sure that the appellant courts would look that the appellant courts would iook very— that the appellant courts would look very seriously at whether that was — look very seriously at whether that was legally permissible. i don't — that was legally permissible. i don't believe it has been done before — don't believe it has been done before. there may also be some evidentiary issues that the courts— evidentiary issues that the courts would look seriously at, including — courts would look seriously at, including the testimony by stormy— including the testimony by stormy daniels that included some — stormy daniels that included some very salacious details about— some very salacious details about her encounter with donald trumo — about her encounter with donald trumo i— about her encounter with donald trump. i don't think those ultimately would prevail on appeal. _ ultimately would prevail on appeal, primarily because donald _ appeal, primarily because donald trump did not object in a timely— donald trump did not object in a timely manner when she was testifying — a timely manner when she was testifying to them, but i think those — testifying to them, but i think those two areas would be the primary— those two areas would be the primary grounds for the appeal. joe moreno, i know you don't

think that this case will continue, you think the appeal might be successful, but c does not, 34 accounts, each one carrying a potential fine or up to five years in prison, i do believe the cap here for the total amount of time that could be served is 20 years. what do you expect? to think we will see a former president behind bars what would that mean for the country and for donald trump? the country and for donald trum . ? ~ �* �* ., the country and for donald trum . ? ~ . �* ., ., , the country and for donald trum-? ~ . �* ., ., trump? when alvin bragg was a letter, i trump? when alvin bragg was a letter. i say _ trump? when alvin bragg was a letter, i say this _ trump? when alvin bragg was a letter, i say this as _ trump? when alvin bragg was a letter, i say this as a _ trump? when alvin bragg was a letter, i say this as a former- letter, i say this as a former new— letter, i say this as a former new yorker— letter, i say this as a former new yorker myself, - letter, i say this as a former new yorker myself, he - letter, i say this as a former| new yorker myself, he went through— new yorker myself, he went through a _ new yorker myself, he went through a litany _ new yorker myself, he went through a litany of _ new yorker myself, he went through a litany of other- new yorker myself, he went l through a litany of other cases that he — through a litany of other cases that he refused _ through a litany of other cases that he refused to _ through a litany of other cases that he refused to prosecute, i that he refused to prosecute, so the — that he refused to prosecute, so the idea _ that he refused to prosecute, so the idea that _ that he refused to prosecute, so the idea that now- that he refused to prosecute, so the idea that now he - that he refused to prosecute, | so the idea that now he would opt to— so the idea that now he would opt to send _ so the idea that now he would opt to send a _ so the idea that now he would opt to send a first—time - opt to send a first—time offender— opt to send a first—time offender to _ opt to send a first—time offender to jail- opt to send a first—time offender to jail for- opt to send a first—time offender to jail for a - offender to jail for a nonviolent - offender to jail for a nonviolent crime, . offender to jail for a - nonviolent crime, normally i would — nonviolent crime, normally i would say _ nonviolent crime, normally i would say that's _ nonviolent crime, normally i would say that's absolutely. would say that's absolutely ridiculous, _ would say that's absolutely ridiculous, but _ would say that's absolutely ridiculous, but this - would say that's absolutely ridiculous, but this whole i ridiculous, but this whole trial— ridiculous, but this whole trial has— ridiculous, but this whole trial has been— ridiculous, but this whole trial has been ridiculous i ridiculous, but this whole i trial has been ridiculous so i fully— trial has been ridiculous so i fully exoect _ trial has been ridiculous so i fully expect they— trial has been ridiculous so i fully expect they will- trial has been ridiculous so i fully expect they will shoot. fully expect they will shoot forjaii_ fully expect they will shoot forjailtime... _ fully expect they will shoot forjail time. . ._ forjailtime... but it will not be — forjailtime... but it will not be in _ forjailtime... but it will not be in the _ forjailtime... but it will not be in the hands - forjailtime... but it will not be in the hands of i forjailtime... but it will. not be in the hands of alvin bragg, this will be in the hands of thejudge. bragg, this will be in the hands of the judge. hands of the 'udge. people advocated _ hands of the judge. people advocated for _ hands of the judge. people advocated for it, _ hands of the judge. people advocated for it, both - hands of the judge. people | advocated for it, both sides will advocate _ advocated for it, both sides will advocate for— advocated for it, both sides will advocate for their-

will advocate for their positions _ will advocate for their positions so - will advocate for their positions so alvin - will advocate for their. positions so alvin bragg will advocate for their- positions so alvin bragg has a huge — positions so alvin bragg has a huge role _ positions so alvin bragg has a huge role and _ positions so alvin bragg has a huge role and how— positions so alvin bragg has a huge role and how much- positions so alvin bragg has a huge role and how much he . huge role and how much he pushes _ huge role and how much he pushes for— huge role and how much he pushes for what _ huge role and how much he pushes for what the - huge role and how much he l pushes for what the sentence should — pushes for what the sentence should he _ pushes for what the sentence should be. so _ pushes for what the sentence should be. so it— pushes for what the sentence should be. so it absolutely. should be. so it absolutely will he _ should be. so it absolutely will he on _ should be. so it absolutely will be on his— should be. so it absolutely will be on his hands- should be. so it absolutely will be on his hands as - should be. so it absolutely will be on his hands as farl should be. so it absolutely. will be on his hands as far as a contributor. _ will be on his hands as far as a contributor. but— will be on his hands as far as a contributor. but yes, - will be on his hands as far as a contributor. but yes, the l a contributor. but yes, the judge _ a contributor. but yes, the judge will— a contributor. but yes, the judge will rule _ a contributor. but yes, the judge will rule on- a contributor. but yes, the judge will rule on it, - a contributor. but yes, the| judge will rule on it, again, think— judge will rule on it, again, think it's _ judge will rule on it, again, think it's been _ judge will rule on it, again, think it's been shameful. judge will rule on it, again, i think it's been shameful how far the — think it's been shameful how far the judge _ think it's been shameful how far the judge has _ think it's been shameful how far the judge has gone - think it's been shameful how far the judge has gone to. think it's been shameful how. far the judge has gone to help the prosecution _ far the judge has gone to help the prosecution team - far the judge has gone to help the prosecution team and - far the judge has gone to help the prosecution team and i. far the judge has gone to help . the prosecution team and i have to say— the prosecution team and i have to say respectfully, _ the prosecution team and i have to say respectfully, there - the prosecution team and i have to say respectfully, there is - to say respectfully, there is nothing _ to say respectfully, there is nothing standard _ to say respectfully, there is nothing standard about this case — nothing standard about this case the _ nothing standard about this case. the fact _ nothing standard about this case. the fact that - nothing standard about this case. the fact that they - case. the fact that they allowed _ case. the fact that they allowed the _ case. the fact that they allowed the jurors - case. the fact that they allowed the jurors to . case. the fact that they - allowed the jurors to choose one — allowed the jurors to choose one of— allowed the jurors to choose one of three _ allowed the jurors to choose one of three different - allowed the jurors to choose | one of three different crimes in order— one of three different crimes in order to _ one of three different crimes in order to elevate _ one of three different crimes in order to elevate this - one of three different crimes in order to elevate this to . one of three different crimesl in order to elevate this to the felony. — in order to elevate this to the felony. one _ in order to elevate this to the felony. one of— in order to elevate this to the felony, one of which, - in order to elevate this to the felony, one of which, the - in order to elevate this to the felony, one of which, the tax| felony, one of which, the tax crime — felony, one of which, the tax crime, wasn't _ felony, one of which, the tax crime, wasn't even _ felony, one of which, the tax| crime, wasn't even discussed during — crime, wasn't even discussed during the _ crime, wasn't even discussed during the trial, _ crime, wasn't even discussed during the trial, think- crime, wasn't even discussed during the trial, think it - crime, wasn't even discussed during the trial, think it is . during the trial, think it is absurd _ during the trial, think it is absurd there _ during the trial, think it is absurd there is— during the trial, think it is absurd there is nothing. absurd there is nothing standard _ absurd there is nothing standard about- absurd there is nothing standard about this - absurd there is nothing . standard about this case. absurd there is nothing - standard about this case. we can tive standard about this case. can give marcus a chance to respond now. i can give marcus a chance to respond now.— can give marcus a chance to respond now. i want to pick it back on the — respond now. i want to pick it back on the judge, _ respond now. i want to pick it back on the judge, he - respond now. i want to pick it back on the judge, he is - respond now. i want to pick it back on the judge, he is the i back on the judge, he is the person who will make the ruling. it's important that we both know, we all know that the prosecutor will advocate for sentencing which might be jail time, i think the violations of

the gag orders will claim to the gag orders will claim to the recommendations. i think the recommendations. i think the lack of remorse we are seeing post—trial answer social media ryanair will play into the same arguments. in the defence i'm sure will point out everything thatjoe just mentioned, first—time offender, white—collar crime, so i think thatis white—collar crime, so i think that is what the judge will be weighing, but i wouldn't say confinement is out of the question although i think it would be pretty difficult. these are big questions to weigh on. you are someone who has worked in the january six committee, which also involves similar issues. what do you think it would mean, if we did see some sort ofjail sentence forformer president? see some sort of jail sentence for former president?- see some sort of jail sentence for former president? well, i'm or for the _ for former president? well, i'm or for the accountability. - for former president? well, i'm or for the accountability. what i or for the accountability. what really comes into is the facts of this case, the fact that aggravating circumstances that happen in 2016, what has happened as the trial has played out, that is what the court should be considering, there should be considering that it there should be considering thatitis there should be considering that it is a former president. that's important for allowing

the american people to have confidence in the system of what the former president has had to go through and what dozens of other americans go through every day. what the court has done so far is being very careful to treat the former president with respect. —— thousands of other americans. i expect nothing less from thejudge. americans. i expect nothing less from the judge. filtrate americans. i expect nothing less from the judge. less from the 'udge. we have seen the less from the judge. we have seen the judge _ less from the judge. we have seen the judge throughout i less from the judge. we have i seen the judge throughout this case having to make several difficult rulings, he has seemed to give donald trump a fair amount seemed to give donald trump a fairamount of seemed to give donald trump a fair amount of leeway when it comes to what he's been posting on social media for example bust ofjessica, if you could put yourself in the judge's shoes, july 11 will be a big day, there will be the sentencing, there will be some arguments as well about an appeal, but if you were in his shoes, how do you think he will handle such a monumental day of sentencing involving a former president? i sentencing involving a former president?— president? i think you handle it methodically _ president? i think you handle it methodically and _ it methodically and dispassionately and think that's— dispassionately and think that's what we are seeing throughout this trial. one of

the reasons why there is this adjournment of several weeks between the verdict and sentencing is for the parties to make _ sentencing is for the parties to make submissions to the court — to make submissions to the court of— to make submissions to the court of what they think the sentence should be and why under— sentence should be and why under the law, given the facts of this— under the law, given the facts of this individual, and also for the _ of this individual, and also for the judge to get the benefit of input from the probation office of the court which — probation office of the court which would have the opportunity to interview the defendant and gather facts and bring _ defendant and gather facts and bring it— defendant and gather facts and bring it to the attention of the judge, bring it to the attention of thejudge, so bring it to the attention of the judge, so there bring it to the attention of thejudge, so there is bring it to the attention of the judge, so there is this pause _ the judge, so there is this pause in _ the judge, so there is this pause in which there will be information gathered and presented to the judge and he will have — presented to the judge and he will have the opportunity to consider— will have the opportunity to consider those submissions and take _ consider those submissions and take all— consider those submissions and take all the facts and circumstances into account in deciding _ circumstances into account in deciding what he thinks is an appropriate sentence. he does have _ appropriate sentence. he does have a — appropriate sentence. he does have a great deal of discussion here _ have a great deal of discussion here as — have a great deal of discussion here as has been mentioned about— here as has been mentioned about what that sentence can and should be. he will take all of that— and should be. he will take all of that into account as well as the defendant's conduct during this trial, —

the defendant's conduct during this trial, notjust the defendant's conduct during this trial, not just the contract that gave rise to these _ contract that gave rise to these charges of which he now stands — these charges of which he now stands convicted. of these charges of which he now stands convicted.— stands convicted. of course there will — stands convicted. of course there will be _ stands convicted. of course there will be plenty - stands convicted. of course there will be plenty of- there will be plenty of political fallout as well, it is very likely that dermo will be running for president in november as a convicted felon. —— donald trump will be running. iwant —— donald trump will be running. i want to thank our panel, marcus childress, panel, marcus child ress, jessica panel, marcus childress, jessica roth and joe moreno. thanks to you all. be sure to follow all our coverage of this developing story on our live page. we have updates from all of our reporters and correspondents on the ground as well as our team right here in the newsroom and of course we will have plenty more coverage right here on bbc news, so stay with us. more coming up at the top of the hour. hello there. today, we've seen a mixture of sunshine and showers, a familiar mix, but fewer showers are mostly focused on

south—eastern parts of england. 0ther eastern areas of england, though, seeing a spell of rain just for a while. that may well tend to move away temporarily. and it is going to be turning drier over the next few days as high pressure noses in from the atlantic, but we've still got that northerly wind overnight. it will bring more cloud to eastern parts of england and we'll see a bit more rain arriving later on in the night as well. further west, though, we're going to have clearer skies and lighter winds, a few short lived mist and fog patches by the end of the night and a little bit cooler where we have the clearer skies. temperatures in scotland could be down to six oi’ seven degrees. still some cloud, though, coming in on that northerly breeze for eastern england into the midlands and may well bring with it some rain or some showers. those becoming confined to the south—east of england in the afternoon. other areas may brighten up a bit, but it's further west and further north that will have the best of the sunshine, light winds as well — a very pleasant day. if anything, it's going to be a bit warmer than today. so we'll see temperatures in the sunshine getting up to 20 or 21 celsius. again, a bit coolerfor some eastern areas of england,

perhaps as it will be for saturday. there's our area of high pressure. the winds are falling lighter. even across eastern parts of england, still a northerly breeze, so maybe one or two showers here. not very many. many places will be dry, and again, we've got the sunnier skies closer to the high to the north and west of the uk, and those temperatures again reaching 20 or 21 celsius, a little bit cooler around some eastern parts of england. but temperatures are going to rise here the second half of the weekend — a change of fortunes to come. the high pressure is never quite making it to the uk. it's getting squeezed on sunday and all this cloud is coming in from the atlantic around the top of the high that will be working its way into much of scotland, northern ireland. eventually bring a little rain into the far north—west, but we've still got some sunshine for england and wales and a sunnier day with lighter winds across east anglia and the south—east means it's going to be warmer here as well. temperatures are going to peak at 22 or 23 degrees. still quite warm in the sunshine for eastern scotland, cooler in western scotland with the cloud.

and things are going to change a bit as we head into next week. there's some rain in the forecast mainly for northern areas of the uk. further south, it's looking generally dry still and, if anything, still quite warm as well.

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