to account for the being held to account for the mistakes of his predecessors, of liz truss and or asjohn says, teresa mae and david cameron. truth about the future, but he's aware it's quite hard to get near him. we the future, but he's aware it's quite hard to get near him. we saw a similar line — quite hard to get near him. we saw a similar line from _ quite hard to get near him. we saw a similar line from him _ quite hard to get near him. we saw a similar line from him in _ quite hard to get near him. we saw a similar line from him in the - quite hard to get near him. we saw a similar line from him in the debate . similar line from him in the debate last week as well, didn't we, neck, where he wanted people to look at the future. let's drill down to some of the things he said to you. we saw towards the end of that interview quite a heated discussion over tax and a bit of a preview there about what we might hear on taxi in the conservative manifesto which is due in a few hours from now, i guess you could say. what's your analysis of that? he says there will be for the tax cuts but there's not much wiggle room is dark, when it comes to public finances.— public finances. there certainly will be a promise _ public finances. there certainly will be a promise of— public finances. there certainly will be a promise of more - public finances. there certainly will be a promise of more tax l public finances. there certainly i will be a promise of more tax cuts tomorrow, i expect it to be on

national insurance though, i don't know that for certain. the prime minister has dismissed to those in his own party who think for example that he should promise to scrap inheritance tax and that will come on top of a series of national insurance cuts that have already been made, which he argues is helping the average worker and not helping the average worker and not helping pensioners. he argues it actually helps business because it's an incentive for them to take on more workers, for people to work harder as a result. that undoubtedly will be part of his pitch, and you can see he is unrepentant, he is defiant in the face of people criticising his calculations about labour tax increases. —— labour tax increases. let's be clear about any party, not forjust increases. let's be clear about any party, not for just two years increases. let's be clear about any party, not forjust two years or one or two decades, but i found an example from 1955 is actually calculated the impact of what they say their opponents will do and then put a number on it. this is routine stuff. and mr sunak made a mistake,

it's by implying in the debate, the number that he keeps repeating came from the treasury. it didn't. some of the costings underlying it did come from the treasury but the big number didn't. he does think that is the best way of saying to people after a crisis, look, at least we, conservatives, are trying to kind of squeeze the pressure on it, trying to get your taxes down while labour won't. ., . ~' to get your taxes down while labour won't. ., ., ~ ., , .,~ , to get your taxes down while labour won't. ., ., ~ ., , ., ~ , won't. you talk about mistakes. most --eole i won't. you talk about mistakes. most peeple i spoke _ won't. you talk about mistakes. most peeple i spoke to _ won't. you talk about mistakes. most people i spoke to at _ won't. you talk about mistakes. most people i spoke to at the _ won't. you talk about mistakes. most people i spoke to at the weekend - people i spoke to at the weekend wanted to talk about what happened at d—day. you put that photo up right at the start of the interview, highlighted the fact that he left early, you described him as bunking d—day, didn't you come in that? what did you make of his response to that? ~ ., �* , did you make of his response to that? . ., �*,, ~ , did you make of his response to that? ~ , �*, ., did you make of his response to that? ~ , 2 ., ., that? what's striking is he's had to chance his that? what's striking is he's had to change his response, _ that? what's striking is he's had to change his response, so _ that? what's striking is he's had to change his response, so that - that? what's striking is he's had to change his response, so that his i change his response, so that his first response when the row broke out was yes, to say it was a mistake and yes to say it was, to give it an apology. but then today, this morning and then in my interview on

panorama just now, he went further, didn't he, and said, effectively pleaded for forgiveness. didn't he, and said, effectively pleaded forforgiveness. people didn't he, and said, effectively pleaded for forgiveness. people find it within themselves to forgive me and that suggests that he knew, simply saying it was a mistake, simply saying it was a mistake, simply apologising wasn't good enough. i did think of pushing him on why he made the mistake of exactly what he was thinking when he thought of coming back, but he didn't think it would produce much. his problem is that not only is this a gift to his opponents, it's a gift in particular to the person who is competing with him for right wing votes, votes on the right of politics, nigel farage. he's only just emerged as a candidate or party leader and has ruthlessly exploited that d—day mistake for his own advantage. now nigel farage has done it in a pretty controversial way, he hinted by talking of a man who wasn't a patriot and didn't understand, his words, our culture.

he hinted at the fact that because mr sunak is of indian origin that because he's a british asian, he somehow didn't get the importance of d—day to the country as a whole. mr faraj is no fool, he didn't actually say that, but he was hinting at it. what's striking to me as rishi sunak knows that, too, but he doesn't want to get in a public spat with nigel farage. why? that's where he thinks nigel farage wants to be, at the centre of the public debate, deliberately taking a row and getting in the headlines. rishi sunak would rather turn the other cheek and take the blow rather than giving nigel farage what he wants. one more thing to discuss, lots of policies that will matter to people aside from the question of personality of course, nick. he discussed the nhs there, you ask him about the record when it comes to waiting lists, also talked about immigration which of course is a big

issue in this election. but also he was quite frank on the conservative party's record when it comes to housing. party's record when it comes to housina. ., , party's record when it comes to housina. .,, ., , housing. there was only time left in the interview. _ housing. there was only time left in the interview, really, _ housing. there was only time left in the interview, really, for— housing. there was only time left in the interview, really, for one - the interview, really, for one question on that. but i was struck by how simply he answered the question. i said by how simply he answered the question. isaid it by how simply he answered the question. i said it got more difficult under the conservatives to buy a house, own your own home, and people find themselves living with mum and dad into their 30s. maybe that's the lesson for me, he simply said yes before adding that he wanted to do something about it. once again, he thinks he has some answers to these problems. he will set out tomorrow how he is planning to stem duty for first—time buyers, to stem duty for first—time buyers, to make it easierfor people in the south of england where prices are higher to buy that house with out that tax. he'll talk about building more houses, but what he knows is people will point to the record, that over time, not as many houses

have been billed as the conservatives hoped for and as a result the dream that tory�*s use to talk about, the dream of phone ownership has become a very distant dream indeed for many people. indeed. nick robinson, thank you very much for giving us your thoughts on that interview and of course you will be interviewing all the major seven parties to the course of the coming weeks, what is it, 24 course of the coming weeks, what is it, 2a days left he said? 2&1 course of the coming weeks, what is it, 24 days left he said?— it, 24 days left he said? 24 days, ou it, 24 days left he said? 24 days, you yeah- — it, 24 days left he said? 24 days, you yeah. unless _ it, 24 days left he said? 24 days, you yeah. unless you _ it, 24 days left he said? 24 days, you yeah. unless you are - it, 24 days left he said? 24 days, you yeah. unless you are waiting | it, 24 days left he said? 24 days, i you yeah. unless you are waiting for the labour leader, i can confirm or maybe even reveal we will be talking to the labour leader this coming friday, this friday.— friday, this friday. friday night date with nick _ friday, this friday. friday night date with nick robinson, - friday, this friday. friday night date with nick robinson, we'lll friday, this friday. friday night - date with nick robinson, we'll keep it in our diary. thank you so much, nick. well, let's dissect and digest that interview with our panel — and a reminder, the other six main party leaders here in the uk will also be interviewed and we'll air those through the course of the campaign.

sir keir starmer�*s interview will be on friday. but first, let's hear some of the key moments from the interview. see, a lot of people looking at him and you, they think — these conservatives — that he's a kind of sunday roast with all the trimmings and you're a quinoa salad. well, i think the policies are what matter. the substance is what matters, nick. so let's. .. i know we're going to get into it, but you're asking me about personalities. and i... i'm asking you about nigel farage, and people have noticed you don't want to talk about him. so let's talk about policy. no, no, no, nick. it's not that i'm not willing. i'm willing to talk about everything here. but the simple issue here is a vote for anyone else, including nigel farage's party... and i would make the same point about anyone's party, right? it's ultimately a vote that makes it more likely that keir starmer is in power. your tory press releases here — a promise of national service, couple of billion there, a promise for a tax cut for pensioners, a promise of a tax cut for parents. more apprenticeships, more police officers, endless promises. every single one of those policies that you've just been through is fully funded and costed, as is explained in every single one of those press releases.

as indeed, when we set out our manifesto tomorrow, people will get to see all the details behind it even further. and tomorrow you'll promise more tax cuts. we will have a manifesto tomorrow that builds on all the things that you've just gone through that we've already announced in this campaign that, yes, does continue to cut people's taxes, because i believe in a country where people's hard work is rewarded. joining me now is rosa prince, deputy uk editor at politico, journalist and author matthew syed and conor matchett, political editor of the scottish sun. and the conor, let's come to you first. on theissue conor, let's come to you first. on the issue of the d—day bunking as nick robinson described it, what did you make of rishi sunak�*s response

there? he said, "i hope people find it in their hearts to forgive me.". i think what it shows is how much this has cut through with voters. when the incident happened last week, we all knew that it was a relatively major moment in this campaign and the conservative party knew very quickly that this was a major problem for the prime minister. the images as we can see now, speakfor minister. the images as we can see now, speak for themselves. minister. the images as we can see now, speakfor themselves. and he's the only one who isn't there. and i think the response last week was firmly kind of passing the buck on a pre—election agreement where it is today, he seems to have realised he needs to apologise and he needs to apologise sincerely and in a genuine way, for people to forgive him for it, that's what he is begging for, and that's what he's asking for people to do. do and that's what he's asking for peeple to de— and that's what he's asking for people to do. do you think that a mission new. _ people to do. do you think that a mission now, that _ people to do. do you think that a mission now, that plea _ people to do. do you think that a mission now, that plea for - mission now, that plea for forgiveness, is it enough to close the chapter on it, the conservative party is about to launch its

manifesto, that certainly is what mr sunak wants to focus on now. he very much wants — sunak wants to focus on now. he very much wants to _ sunak wants to focus on now. he very much wants to move _ sunak wants to focus on now. he very much wants to move on. _ sunak wants to focus on now. he very much wants to move on. i _ sunak wants to focus on now. he very much wants to move on. i worried - sunak wants to focus on now. he very much wants to move on. i worried for| much wants to move on. i worried for him that_ much wants to move on. i worried for him that is— much wants to move on. i worried for him that is not— much wants to move on. i worried for him that is not going to do the trick — him that is not going to do the trick the _ him that is not going to do the trick. the problem with what happened with d—day was that it just showed _ happened with d—day was that it just showed a _ happened with d—day was that it just showed a lack of empathy and emotional connection to the electorate and therefore if your response — electorate and therefore if your response to that is to kind of repeat — response to that is to kind of repeat your prepared lines, so he has this— repeat your prepared lines, so he has this line that he said twice in nick's _ has this line that he said twice in nick's interview and he said it earlier— nick's interview and he said it earlier today on the campaign trail, i earlier today on the campaign trail, i hope _ earlier today on the campaign trail, i hope people find it in their hearts— i hope people find it in their hearts to _ i hope people find it in their hearts to forgive me, if you're just repeating — hearts to forgive me, if you're just repeating that line rather than sort of almost — repeating that line rather than sort of almost speaking from the heart, sort of— of almost speaking from the heart, sort of being quite direct and saying — sort of being quite direct and saying quite freshly how you feel, then it _ saying quite freshly how you feel, then it comes across as wooden. and ithink— then it comes across as wooden. and i think voters — then it comes across as wooden. and i think voters will sense that lack of connection sol i think voters will sense that lack of connection so i don't think anyone — of connection so i don't think anyone who watched that panorama programme will feel differently about— programme will feel differently about the d—day tobacco.

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those policies. we'll do that in a moment. i'll bring connor back in though on that broader point. matthew sort of touched on it in his perspective about the last 14 years, thatis perspective about the last 14 years, that is something that nick robinson asked rishi sunak about the record of the conservative government, but we've heard notjust in that interview but even in the debate last week from rishi sunak who says consistently that it's about the future and the promises that he can offer. is that enough convince people given that his party is so far behind in the polls? to bring in a scottish context, _ far behind in the polls? to bring in a scottish context, the _ far behind in the polls? to bring in a scottish context, the uk - far behind in the polls? to bring in a scottish context, the uk has - a scottish context, the uk has had 14 years of conservative rule and the snp has been in charge for 17 years in scotland, both parties, regardless of what people think of them, are suffering from the same thing, which is that fundamentally they can't defend their record. and they can't defend their record. and they can't defend their record. and they can't look forward without any sort of confidence without the sort of questioning that nick robinson

put to rishi sunak which is, well, you promised all of this before and not only have you promised all of this before but you failed on delivering all of this before. see you in and put in a situation where politicians who are generally lacking in trust from the public and a following brexit and following the pandemic, are asking voters to put their trust in them again despite their trust in them again despite the quite clear record of the last 15, 20 years. it is a the quite clear record of the last 15,20 years. it is a huge the quite clear record of the last 15, 20 years. it is a huge problem for rishi sunak given how much he put on those five pledges, not all of which he's met and also nick, i thought, the best bit of questioning and there was going, well, what about rwanda? look ahead at rwanda. you could have done this, you could have waited but you didn't. and called the election then. and the prime ministers didn't have an answer that because there isn't an answer that because there isn't an answer to that. it'sjust answer that because there isn't an answer to that. it's just the fact of the matter is that he called an election in order to win five more years rather than actually doing

what he promised in the first place, and that's a problem. qm. what he promised in the first place, and that's a problem.— and that's a problem. 0k, connor, matthew, and that's a problem. 0k, connor, matthew. rosa. — and that's a problem. 0k, connor, matthew, rosa, we _ and that's a problem. 0k, connor, matthew, rosa, we will— and that's a problem. 0k, connor, matthew, rosa, we will be - and that's a problem. 0k, connor, matthew, rosa, we will be back i and that's a problem. 0k, connor, matthew, rosa, we will be back to discuss more in a second. let's have another look at some more of the key moments from the interview. the prime minister was keen to talk about the future, but nick robinson grilled the conservative leader on his parties record over the past 14 years. many people are forced, even in their 30s, to live at home with mum and dad. they simply can't afford the rent, let alone afford to buy a house. having your own home has got harder under a conservative government, hasn't it? it has got harder. and i want to make sure that it's easier. and what we will do is notjust build homes in the right places and do that in a way that is sensitive to local communities, but make sure that we support young people into greatjobs so they can save for that deposit. and i'm going to go back to tax because it is important. no, no. you're talking about people who like you have the money who,

like you, have the money to buy a home. most young people and i want everyone to deposit, they're not worrying about stamp duty, actually. they don't want another tax cut. they can't afford to leave the home of mum and dad. no, actually, when i speak to people, it is the deposit. nick, that is the biggest challenge because many people earn enough to cover a mortgage payment. but the struggle is saving up for a deposit that has always, over the last few years been the number one challenge. waiting lists haven'tjust gone up under rishi sunak. they went up under liz truss. they went up under borisjohnson. they went up under theresa may. they went up under david cameron. conservative prime ministers for 14 years, long before covid, long before strikes, have put nhs waiting lists up. the nhs has undeniably been under pressure for a while. that was exacerbated by what happened in the pandemic. i think most reasonable people can see that. but this election is about the future. it's where do we go from here. and as i said, we're investing record sums in the nhs, recruiting

and training more doctors and nurses and doing things innovatively. for example, expanding the range of services that people can go and see their pharmacist for. and i'm the son of a pharmacist and a gp, so it's something i grew up with. you say the flights will go to rwanda. you say they'll go in just a few weeks' time. you had the opportunity to prove it. you could have said to everybody, "here are the flights. "people have gone to rwanda. "here's the deterrent. "the numbers are falling." you didn't, you cut and run. you have the election before and now we have to take it on trust. well, no, because as i said, we got the numbers down by a third last year. that had never happened before. that's. .. how many people have gone to rwanda in the three years since you announced that you would do this? because it's taken time to get this through parliament, because it's taken time to get this through parliament, because we've been frustrated. no, no. yes. and this election is about the future. that's rishi sunak being grilled by nick robinson on three key issues — housing, the nhs and on immigration.

matthew, i'll bring you in, you are keen to talk about the issues at stake in this election. you heard mr sunak being asked about housing, thatis sunak being asked about housing, that is a huge issue in this campaign, perhaps one that is not talked about enough. it’s campaign, perhaps one that is not talked about enough.— talked about enough. it's very important — talked about enough. it's very important. we _ talked about enough. it's very important. we need _ talked about enough. it's very important. we need to - talked about enough. it's veryj important. we need to reform talked about enough. it's very - important. we need to reform uk planning — important. we need to reform uk planning laws, notjust so we can no more _ planning laws, notjust so we can no more houses — planning laws, notjust so we can no more houses but more wires, more grids, _ more houses but more wires, more grids, the _ more houses but more wires, more grids, the connective tissues that are so_ grids, the connective tissues that are so important for driving growth. to be _ are so important for driving growth. to be frank. — are so important for driving growth. to be frank, we've not been able to do that _ to be frank, we've not been able to do that it's — to be frank, we've not been able to do that. it's as if the nation wishes _ do that. it's as if the nation wishes to— do that. it's as if the nation wishes to have more of these things but it— wishes to have more of these things but it is— wishes to have more of these things but it is continually vetoed by local— but it is continually vetoed by local concerns. and until the british— local concerns. and until the british public is willing to vote for a _ british public is willing to vote for a party that is going to streamline and transform planning and the _ streamline and transform planning and the nature of the state then that is— and the nature of the state then that is going to act as a massive drug _ that is going to act as a massive drug on— that is going to act as a massive drug on loads. if you look elsewhere in the _ drug on loads. if you look elsewhere in the world, — drug on loads. if you look elsewhere in the world, china, more autocratic. india, more democratic,

theyare _ autocratic. india, more democratic, they are building at an incredibly fast pace — they are building at an incredibly fast pace. leveraging opportunities provided _ fast pace. leveraging opportunities provided by it, bit coin mining, not particularly — provided by it, bit coin mining, not particularly big fan of cyber currencies, but they are getting on and doing — currencies, but they are getting on and doing the job and britain at the moment— and doing the job and britain at the moment is— and doing the job and britain at the moment is snookered by its own insecurities and neuroses. we need to wake _ insecurities and neuroses. we need to wake up— insecurities and neuroses. we need to wake up to what we need to do and if we do _ to wake up to what we need to do and if we do do _ to wake up to what we need to do and if we do do it. — to wake up to what we need to do and if we do do it, i think we can create — if we do do it, i think we can create faster growth.- if we do do it, i think we can create faster growth. let's bring rosa in on _ create faster growth. let's bring rosa in on that, _ create faster growth. let's bring rosa in on that, because - create faster growth. let's bring rosa in on that, because rosa, | create faster growth. let's bring - rosa in on that, because rosa, rishi sunak they are saying that the biggest challenge wasn't necessarily the monthly mortgage payments but people getting a deposit in the first place. i mean the truth is, is for first—time buyers it's first place. i mean the truth is, is forfirst—time buyers it's really difficult, isn't it, and this current climate to get on the property letter? current climate to get on the preperty letter?— current climate to get on the --roe letter? . �*, . . property letter? yeah, it's created a vicious circle _ property letter? yeah, it's created a vicious circle because _ property letter? yeah, it's created a vicious circle because if- property letter? yeah, it's created a vicious circle because if you're i a vicious circle because if you're having to pay more and more for rent then you're struggling to build that nest egg to get that deposit. and so it's increasingly difficult for people to achieve that. i think you are right and matthew is right, the

housing is kind of the policy that really hasn't been aired enough, not just in this campaign but in the last few years. the voters consistently say that this is something that they are concerned about. it's also feeds into concerns about. it's also feeds into concerns about immigration, people talk about about immigration, people talk about a lack of public services, lack of housing and because they're not getting those things they it feels like the rise of people like mr nigel farage. people have found that it's notjust to general reporters but very much voters that are worried about housing, conservative candidates, young tori to talk about housing so it was great to see nick when he pushed rishi sunak on it and interesting that he didn't have much of an answer on it, he was prepared tojust say yes of an answer on it, he was prepared to just say yes you're right, let's move on. we're going to build. without saying how precisely are going to get around that intractable planning issue. it’s

going to get around that intractable planning issue-— planning issue. it's quite an omission. _ planning issue. it's quite an omission, that. _ planning issue. it's quite an omission, that. connor, - planning issue. it's quite anj omission, that. connor, i'm planning issue. it's quite an - omission, that. connor, i'm going to bring you in. we had a clip there were rishi sunak was asked about rwanda, the fact that no planes have yet taken off and even about the timing of him calling election, why didn't he wait until this planes are taken off, what you make of that? i taken off, what you make of that? i bought a house about two weeks ago. congratulations — bought a house about two weeks ago. congratulations.— congratulations. thank you. but as a young professional, _ congratulations. thank you. but as a young professional, i _ congratulations. thank you. but as a young professional, i wasn't - congratulations. thank you. but as a young professional, i wasn't able - congratulations. thank you. but as a young professional, i wasn't able to l young professional, i wasn't able to do young professional, iwasn't able to do that— young professional, i wasn't able to do that without _ young professional, i wasn't able to do that without significant - young professional, i wasn't able to do that without significant gifting i do that without significant gifting for my— do that without significant gifting for my parents _ do that without significant gifting for my parents. i've _ do that without significant gifting for my parents. i've been- do that without significant gifting for my parents. i've been in- do that without significant gifting for my parents. i've been in the i for my parents. i've been in the world _ for my parents. i've been in the world of— for my parents. i've been in the world of work— for my parents. i've been in the world of work since _ for my parents. i've been in the world of work since the - for my parents. i've been in the world of work since the age - for my parents. i've been in the . world of work since the age of 22, i'm world of work since the age of 22, im in— world of work since the age of 22, im in a _ world of work since the age of 22, i'm in a pretty— world of work since the age of 22, i'm in a pretty good _ world of work since the age of 22, i'm in a pretty good job _ world of work since the age of 22, i'm in a pretty good job and - world of work since the age of 22, i'm in a pretty good job and i- world of work since the age of 22,| i'm in a pretty good job and i have been _ i'm in a pretty good job and i have been able — i'm in a pretty good job and i have been able to— i'm in a pretty good job and i have been able to pay. _ i'm in a pretty good job and i have been able to pay, save _ i'm in a pretty good job and i have been able to pay, save it- i'm in a pretty good job and i have been able to pay, save it for- been able to pay, save it for a deposit — been able to pay, save it for a deposit and _ been able to pay, save it for a deposit and because - been able to pay, save it for a deposit and because of- been able to pay, save it for a deposit and because of the i been able to pay, save it for a i deposit and because of the cost been able to pay, save it for a - deposit and because of the cost of rent in _ deposit and because of the cost of rent in edinburgh, _ deposit and because of the cost of rent in edinburgh, granted - deposit and because of the cost of rent in edinburgh, granted it's- deposit and because of the cost of rent in edinburgh, granted it's ani rent in edinburgh, granted it's an expensive — rent in edinburgh, granted it's an expensive city, _ rent in edinburgh, granted it's an expensive city, but _ rent in edinburgh, granted it's an expensive city, but to _ rent in edinburgh, granted it's an expensive city, but to put- rent in edinburgh, granted it's an expensive city, but to put it - rent in edinburgh, granted it's an expensive city, but to put it in i expensive city, but to put it in people's — expensive city, but to put it in people's perspective, - expensive city, but to put it in people's perspective, that - expensive city, but to put it in people's perspective, that is, | expensive city, but to put it in . people's perspective, that is, you know, _ people's perspective, that is, you know. people _ people's perspective, that is, you know, people like _ people's perspective, that is, you know, people like me _ people's perspective, that is, you know, people like me in- people's perspective, that is, you know, people like me in the - people's perspective, that is, you know, people like me in the past| know, people like me in the past probably— know, people like me in the past probably would've _ know, people like me in the past probably would've ended - know, people like me in the past probably would've ended up - know, people like me in the past. probably would've ended up voting conservative — probably would've ended up voting conservative and _ probably would've ended up voting conservative and this _ probably would've ended up voting conservative and this entire - conservative and this entire generation— conservative and this entire generation of— conservative and this entire generation of people - conservative and this entire generation of people aged i conservative and this entire - generation of people aged 25—40 who 'ust generation of people aged 25—40 who

just do— generation of people aged 25—40 who just do not— generation of people aged 25—40 who just do not believe _ generation of people aged 25—40 who just do not believe that _ generation of people aged 25—40 who just do not believe that buying - generation of people aged 25—40 who just do not believe that buying a - just do not believe that buying a house _ just do not believe that buying a house is— just do not believe that buying a house is a — just do not believe that buying a house is a feasible _ just do not believe that buying a house is a feasible option, - just do not believe that buying a house is a feasible option, and i house is a feasible option, and that's— house is a feasible option, and that's a — house is a feasible option, and that's a big _ house is a feasible option, and that's a big problem _ house is a feasible option, and that's a big problem for- house is a feasible option, and that's a big problem for the . that's a big problem for the conservatives— that's a big problem for the conservatives going - that's a big problem for the i conservatives going forward. that's a big problem for the - conservatives going forward. and when _ conservatives going forward. and when it— conservatives going forward. and when it comes _ conservatives going forward. and when it comes to _ conservatives going forward. and when it comes to the _ conservatives going forward. and when it comes to the housing - conservatives going forward. and . when it comes to the housing policy, and there _ when it comes to the housing policy, and there is— when it comes to the housing policy, and there is one _ when it comes to the housing policy, and there is one that— when it comes to the housing policy, and there is one that labour- when it comes to the housing policy, and there is one that labour are - and there is one that labour are right to — and there is one that labour are right to probably— and there is one that labour are right to probably focus - and there is one that labour are right to probably focus on - and there is one that labour arej right to probably focus on going forward — right to probably focus on going forward because _ right to probably focus on going forward because it _ right to probably focus on going forward because it will- right to probably focus on going forward because it will win - right to probably focus on going forward because it will win the i forward because it will win the vote — forward because it will win the vote and _ forward because it will win the vote and on— forward because it will win the vote. and on the _ forward because it will win the vote. and on the rwanda - forward because it will win the. vote. and on the rwanda point, vou're _ vote. and on the rwanda point, you're absolutely _ vote. and on the rwanda point, you're absolutely right. - vote. and on the rwanda point, you're absolutely right. it's - vote. and on the rwanda point, you're absolutely right. it's a i you're absolutely right. it's a question— you're absolutely right. it's a question that _ you're absolutely right. it's a question that rishi _ you're absolutely right. it's a question that rishi sunak - you're absolutely right. it's a question that rishi sunak is| you're absolutely right. it's a - question that rishi sunak is going to have _ question that rishi sunak is going to have to— question that rishi sunak is going to have to answer— question that rishi sunak is going to have to answer throughout - question that rishi sunak is going to have to answer throughout his| to have to answer throughout his campaign, — to have to answer throughout his campaign, which— to have to answer throughout his campaign, which is _ to have to answer throughout his campaign, which is why- to have to answer throughout his campaign, which is why was - campaign, which is why was something. _ campaign, which is why was something. a _ campaign, which is why was something, a flagship- campaign, which is why was| something, a flagship policy campaign, which is why was - something, a flagship policy like rwanda, — something, a flagship policy like rwanda, something _ something, a flagship policy like rwanda, something the - something, a flagship policy like rwanda, something the likes . something, a flagship policy like rwanda, something the likes of| something, a flagship policy like - rwanda, something the likes of nigel farage _ rwanda, something the likes of nigel farage talk— rwanda, something the likes of nigel farage talk about _ rwanda, something the likes of nigel farage talk about week _ rwanda, something the likes of nigel farage talk about week in _ rwanda, something the likes of nigel farage talk about week in week- rwanda, something the likes of nigel farage talk about week in week out, i farage talk about week in week out, immigration — farage talk about week in week out, immigration is — farage talk about week in week out, immigration is still— farage talk about week in week out, immigration is still a _ farage talk about week in week out, immigration is still a salient - farage talk about week in week out, immigration is still a salient issue i immigration is still a salient issue pa rticula rlv — immigration is still a salient issue particularly among _ immigration is still a salient issue particularly among english - immigration is still a salient issue particularly among english voters| immigration is still a salient issue l particularly among english voters in the south — particularly among english voters in the south and _ particularly among english voters in the south. and it's— particularly among english voters in the south. and it's something - particularly among english voters in the south. and it's something thati the south. and it's something that you would — the south. and it's something that you would have _ the south. and it's something that you would have thought _ the south. and it's something that you would have thought would - the south. and it's something thati you would have thought would have been an _ you would have thought would have been an easy — you would have thought would have been an easy win _ you would have thought would have been an easy win for— you would have thought would have been an easy win for him _ you would have thought would have been an easy win for him has - you would have thought would have been an easy win for him has he - you would have thought would have i been an easy win for him has he just waited a _ been an easy win for him has he just waited a few— been an easy win for him has he just waited a few weeks _ been an easy win for him has he just waited a few weeks before _ been an easy win for him has he just waited a few weeks before calling i waited a few weeks before calling election. — waited a few weeks before calling election. but— waited a few weeks before calling election, but as _ waited a few weeks before calling election, but as i _ waited a few weeks before calling election, but as i said _ waited a few weeks before calling election, but as i said earlier, - waited a few weeks before calling election, but as i said earlier, he| election, but as i said earlier, he is clearly— election, but as i said earlier, he is clearly hoping _ election, but as i said earlier, he is clearly hoping that _ election, but as i said earlier, he is clearly hoping that people - election, but as i said earlier, he is clearly hoping that people will| is clearly hoping that people will trust _ is clearly hoping that people will trust him — is clearly hoping that people will trust him to— is clearly hoping that people will trust him to deliver— is clearly hoping that people will trust him to deliver and - is clearly hoping that people will i trust him to deliver and potentially he is also — trust him to deliver and potentially he is also hoping _ trust him to deliver and potentially he is also hoping that _ trust him to deliver and potentially he is also hoping that people - trust him to deliver and potentially he is also hoping that people will. he is also hoping that people will fear he is also hoping that people will tear the — he is also hoping that people will fear the labour— he is also hoping that people will fear the labour party's _ he is also hoping that people will fear the labour party's inability. he is also hoping that people will| fear the labour party's inability to follow _ fear the labour party's inability to follow through _ fear the labour party's inability to follow through with _ fear the labour party's inability to follow through with potentially . fear the labour party's inability to follow through with potentially a i follow through with potentially a policy _ follow through with potentially a policy that — follow through with potentially a policy that they _ follow through with potentially a policy that they might _ follow through with potentially a policy that they might not - follow through with potentially a policy that they might not like. i follow through with potentially a l policy that they might not like. 0k policy that they might not like. connor, i've only got 30 seconds

with each of you left before we have to close this hour. 50 i want to ask you, really, for your main final take away on that interview, i'll start with you, rosa. the clock starts now for 30 seconds. i start with you, rosa. the clock starts now for 30 seconds. i thought he still looked _ starts now for 30 seconds. i thought he still looked quite _ starts now for 30 seconds. i thought he still looked quite uncomfortable, | he still looked quite uncomfortable, he's had a really tough weekend and he's had a really tough weekend and he wants to go on to the front foot, but it wasn't much smiling from rishi sunak. he didn't look like he was enjoying the interview or indeed enjoying the election campaign. {lilia enjoying the election campaign. 0k, thank ou enjoying the election campaign. 0k, thank you very much for that. matthew, what's your 32nd hot take before we go? i matthew, what's your 32nd hot take before we go?— before we go? i 'ust don't think any conservative — before we go? i just don't think any conservative leader _ before we go? i just don't think any conservative leader has _ before we go? i just don't think any conservative leader has the - conservative leader has the corrected solution for the country. they— corrected solution for the country. they had — corrected solution for the country. they had thatcher in the 80s who i think— they had thatcher in the 80s who i think did _ they had thatcher in the 80s who i think did it— they had thatcher in the 80s who i think did it overall a good job with some _ think did it overall a good job with some problems, the last 14 years i think— some problems, the last 14 years i think they— some problems, the last 14 years i think they have been all over the place _ think they have been all over the place and — think they have been all over the place and haven't yet found out what they really— place and haven't yet found out what they really stand for and the big question— they really stand for and the big question is the fight for the solar for conservative party that will occur — for conservative party that will occur after they lose the general election — occur after they lose the general election. gf occur after they lose the general election. .., , occur after they lose the general election. _, , ., �* occur after they lose the general election. , ~ ., election. of course we don't know what will happen _ election. of course we don't know what will happen until _ election. of course we don't know what will happen until the - election. of course we don't know what will happen until the 4th - election. of course we don't know what will happen until the 4th of. what will happen until the 4th of

july. connor, what's your 32nd hot take? i july. connor, what's your 32nd hot take? ~ . , . july. connor, what's your 32nd hot take? ~ ., . july. connor, what's your 32nd hot take? ~ . . , take? i think it was a good example of politicians _ take? i think it was a good example of politicians struggling _ take? i think it was a good example of politicians struggling about - of politicians struggling about rishi — of politicians struggling about rishi sunak's _ of politicians struggling about rishi sunak's policy— of politicians struggling about rishi sunak's policy he - of politicians struggling about rishi sunak's policy he faces. | of politicians struggling about. rishi sunak's policy he faces. it's a difficult — rishi sunak's policy he faces. it's a difficult election _ rishi sunak's policy he faces. it's a difficult election for— rishi sunak's policy he faces. it's a difficult election for him, - rishi sunak's policy he faces. it's a difficult election for him, he's. a difficult election for him, he's clearly— a difficult election for him, he's clearly gambling _ a difficult election for him, he's clearly gambling in _ a difficult election for him, he's clearly gambling in hope - a difficult election for him, he's clearly gambling in hope of- a difficult election for him, he's- clearly gambling in hope of winning and setting — clearly gambling in hope of winning and setting fear— clearly gambling in hope of winning and setting fear against _ clearly gambling in hope of winning and setting fear against potentially| and setting fear against potentially and setting fear against potentially a different — and setting fear against potentially a different future _ and setting fear against potentially a different future for— and setting fear against potentially a different future for the _ and setting fear against potentially a different future for the uk- a different future for the uk regardless _ a different future for the uk regardless which _ a different future for the uk regardless which way - a different future for the uk| regardless which way people a different future for the uk- regardless which way people vote, i think that's — regardless which way people vote, i think that's what _ regardless which way people vote, i think that's what were _ regardless which way people vote, i think that's what were going - regardless which way people vote, i think that's what were going to - regardless which way people vote, i think that's what were going to end | think that's what were going to end ”p think that's what were going to end up with _ think that's what were going to end up with as — think that's what were going to end u- with. r think that's what were going to end u- with. a think that's what were going to end uwith. a up with. as nick robinson was sa in: , up with. as nick robinson was saying. 24 _ up with. as nick robinson was saying. 24 days _ up with. as nick robinson was saying, 24 days to _ up with. as nick robinson was saying, 24 days to go - up with. as nick robinson was saying, 24 days to go until - up with. as nick robinson was saying, 24 days to go until the election, it continues to throw up all kinds of interesting points and the manifesto for the conservatives will be launched tomorrow. connor, matthew, and rosa, thank you to all of you for sharing your insights and thoughts on that interview. and if you want to see more details on that, here in the uk you can watch it back if you like on the bbc iplayer, there's plenty more analysis if you're watching around the world on the bbc news website and as nick was saying, the leader

of the labour party will be interviewed on friday by nick, so you can watch that there is well, and he will be speaking to all seven leaders throughout the campaign. you're watching bbc news, i'm regina if hello there, good evening. you'll have noticed that it's feeling rather chilly for this time of year. now, today, a wet early start, followed by variable amounts of clouds and sunny spells, but also some showers. and some of the best of the weather was across the south west of england and western wales, but it's more of the same again tomorrow. it's still feeling cold for this point injune. some more sunshine, but also some more showers to come in the forecast. and we've still got that brisk and chilly northerly to north westerly wind blowing, too. and it's that that's ushering down this colder air from the north marked in blue here, particularly blustery again for north sea facing coast, but the winds lighter than they were earlier on today. and the winds will start to lighten overnight tonight. again, a good scattering of showers for eastern coast and also down through the liverpool bay area, too. its cold start to the day tomorrow for this moment in the year,

temperatures for many back to mid single figures, maybe even one or two degrees celsius only in some of the shelter glands of scotland. and tomorrow, another day of sunshine and showers or two degrees celsius only in some of the sheltered glands of scotland. of the sheltered glens of scotland. and tomorrow, another day of sunshine and showers with that cold northerly wind blowing, too. but fewer showers this time across parts of scotland. still one or two isolated showers, and it's still rather windy across the northern isles, down through northern scotland and for these eastern coastal areas as well. more showers — they become more frequent as we head down further south across england, a few showers perhaps too, for northern ireland, but temperatures disappointingly low for the time of year. into wednesday, high pressure starts to build in. so it's dry air for most of us, but still some more showers across the south east of england, in particular. further north and west, it is a drier story, and temperatures will rise by a degree or so, and the winds will be lighter. but then big changes happen on thursday. we draw in more of a south—westerly wind. we draw in more of a south—westerly wind. we start to see atlantic systems approach from the west.

so it's a mostly dry start to the day on thursday, but the cloud is going to be thickening from the west. and eventually we'll be seeing this band of rain sweep further eastwards, followed on by some showers, of course. so turning wetter, windier, particularly for irish sea coasts. but the temperatures will start to rise a little, 13—18 degrees celsius as we head through thursday. and you'll notice that temperatures recover back to the seasonal average as we go through the course of the weekend. but it is going to be rather wet and windy at times. until then, still chilly for the time of year. bye— bye.

live from london, this is bbc news. rishi sunak has said the conservative manifesto, which is to be launched tomorrow, will feature further tax cuts, in an interview with the bbc. the un security council votes for a ceasefire proposal for gaza put forward by the us presidentjoe biden. the liberal democrats launch their manifesto, with the focus on the nhs and social care. the party is promising to spend an extra £9 billion. and, initial autopsy results on the body of television presenter michael mosley, who died on the greek island of symi, show he died of natural causes.

hello, i'm lauren taylor. rishi sunak has said the conservative manifesto — which is to be launched tomorrow — will feature further tax cuts. speaking to nick robinson in a special edition of panorama, the prime minister said he aimed to fund the cuts by improving productivity in the public sector. we have had endless promises, i've got your tory press releases, promise of national service, a couple of billion, promise of tax cut for pensioners, promise of a tax cut for pensioners, promise of a tax cut for pensioners, promise of a tax cut for parents, more apprenticeships, more police officers, endless promises. more and more money from the conservatives. have you found the magic money tree? no, every single one of those policies you've just been through is fully funded and costed, as is explained in every one of those press releases, as indeed when we've set out our manifesto tomorrow, people will be able to see all the details behind it even further. and tomorrow you will promise more tax cuts? we will have a manifesto tomorrow that builds on all the things you've just gone

through, that we've already