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hello, you're watching the context on bbc news. things have not always been easy and we have not got everything right. but we are the only party in this election with the big ideas to make our country a better place to live. the last 18 months you've tried everything to try and revive conservative fortunes, and not much appears to have worked. could we rename this document today your " last chance saloon"? what we saw this morning was a desperate wish list of unfunded promises from a weak prime minister. joining me is:anna mihailova —deputy political editor at the mail on sunday. and joe twyman, a pollster — and the co—founder of deltapoll.
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and shortly, paul hutcheon — political editor at the daily record. he's just been listening to the scottish leaders debate and so will be joining us shortly. first, the latest headlines. president biden�*s son, hunter, has been found guilty on all three charges in his federal gun crime trial. the jury in delaware found that he'd lied about his drug use on a form while buying a weapon in twenty— eighteen. while buying a weapon in 2018. it's the first criminal prosecution of the child of a sitting us president. hamas has given its formal response to the latest peace plan for gaza. the group says it has a positive view of the three—phase proposal but wants several guarantees. these include a commitment to a permanent ceasefire and the complete withdrawal of israeli forces from the territory.
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and we will have all the latest reaction to the scottish leaders debate. leaders of the five main parties have spent the last hour making their pitches to voters. as you probably know by now, july the 4th is the date of the uk general election. and for those of you follow formula one, you'll probably also know that july fourth is the start of the uk grand prix. that of course takes place at silverstone race circuit in northamptonshire — and it was there that rishi sunak launched the conservatives�* election manifesto today. as with all manifestos, it was packed with promises, including on tax, housing and immigration. so let's go through some of the main takeaways. on tax — a pledge to reduce national insurance a further 2p in the pound cut plus the abolition of the self—employed rate. with housing a huge
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concern in this election, the conservatives are promising help forfirst time buyers — they'll abolish stamp duty on homes up to £425,000, plus a new help to buy scheme. the party also says it will halve migration and have regular flights going to rwanda as part of its plan to deport some of those entering the uk illegally. with more on what was in the manifesto, here's our political editor chris mason with his analysis. halfway through this election race, it's the moment for the cardboard boxes. within them, bundles of promises not always kept that set out a party's blueprint for the next five years. so the manifesto is here, so is the cabinet, then the prime minister. music, applause, and ovations from party supporters, yes, but also this — a candid acknowledgement rishi sunak about how you may feel about him and the conservatives. i'm not blind to the fact that
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people are frustrated with our party and frustrated with me. things have not always been easy, and we have not got everything right. but we are the only party in this election with big ideas to make our country a better place to live. a central theme of this manifesto is tax cuts, including a promise of another 2p cut in national insurance. by 2027, we will have halved national insurance to 6% — that is a tax cut, my friends, worth £1,300 to the average worker. rishi sunak praised the enterprise and risk—taking of the self—employed, and said this. in the next parliament, we will scrap entirely the main rate of self—employed national insurance. and, having acknowledged on bbc panorama last night that it's become harder to buy a home in recent
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years, the prime minister said he wanted to make it easier. for the first—time buyers, purchasing a home up £425,000, we will abolish stamp duty entirely. stamp duty is a tax on buying a home in england and northern ireland. next, what about the plan to send some migrants rwanda? some migrants to rwanda? some conservatives say it's time the uk left the european convention on human rights — or echr — to make this easier. but mr sunak stopped short of saying that. if we are forced to choose between our security and the jurisdiction of a foreign court, including the echr, we will always choose our nation's security. for much of the last 18 months, you have tried everything to try and revive conservative fortunes, and not much appears to have worked. could we rename this document today your last—chance saloon?
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well, chris, i've been very clear when i got thisjob, that we were in for a very difficult time of the country. if you want a secure future, if you want lower taxes and if you want your pensions protected, more sensible approach to net zero, and you want your borders secure, vote conservative at this election. and there ended perhaps this man's last big set piece moment to change his fortunes. time, then, to scuttle through the crowds and talk to some cabinet ministers. what do you make of that? i think this is a really exciting manifesto for the future, and what i love about it is that it addresses every stage of our lives. if this is the game—changer, why are you standing down? me? i'm an old war horse that's been put out to grass because we need a new generation to support the prime minister in the future. this is a fudge—a—rama on the echr, isn't it? the safety of rwanda act makes it clear that -
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if there is a contradiction _ between an adjudication in a foreign court and our ability i to protect our borders, we protect our borders. are you going to win? this is absolutely in our grasp. i know we are behind in the polls... i notice you're not saying yes. it's an election, and i can't - predict the outcome of an election, that's not myjob. the outcome of the election is yourjob at home. the cases the different parties are making are becoming clearer. chris mason, bbc news, at silverstone. well, the conservatives are adamant their sums add up, but after a significant tax raising parliament, they're now trying to convince voters that things will change. however with finances stretched, how will they pay for any tax cuts. 0ur economics editor faisal islam explains. the manifesto is a 20 billion a year change to tax and spending designed to communicate really one thing the conservatives want voters —
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to trust them, that taxes can be lowered after an increase in tax and the size of government since the pandemic. let's take a look at how they say it adds up. that further 2% cut to national insurance. essentially that's a tax on work, i%. next april, another 1% in 2027, adding up to a £10 billion giveaway, then a smaller cut from the abolition of self employed national insurance. and the same again for some state pensioners tax bills and there are more smaller cuts. now over here is the funding for those two crackdowns essentially two crackdowns essentially on tax avoidance and welfare, saving a total of £18 billion a year. let's just take that £12 billion on welfare. the conservatives describe an agenda for dealing with the challenge, not going ahead with a massive post—pandemic rise in benefits for working households. could you raise that money? yes, but it's not a detailed plan. we don't know the specific policies. and so those affected, whereas we do know that over there for the tax cuts. so a total £17 billion tax cuts
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with the biggest element cuts to national insurance, the tax on workers worth £450 a year by 2027, balanced by what the conservatives assert they can raise from that £18 billion double crackdown. the other big change is a 6 billion a year increase in defence spending to get it up to 2.5% target funded by tens of thousands fewer civil servants and reversing the that which would reverse the post—pandemic increases and the diversion of research and development spending into defence. all of the money to pay from that comes from quite uncertain things — tax avoidance, cutting civil service jobs, efficiencies in quangos, cutting welfare spending without definite plans. so we've got definite promises of goodies, of giveaways with very uncertain ways of actually funding those promises. now, all this doesn't include some already announced policies of similar size.
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a bumper income tax hike from frozen thresholds, implied real cuts to some government departments, too. this manifesto is basically asking voters to trust that the conservatives can, will and want to shrink the welfare bill and the size of government in order to afford specific tax cuts in order to afford specific tax cuts, or rather to give back some of the recent tax rises. let's speak to our panel now — paul hutcheon is the political editor at the daily record. anna mikhailova is deputy political editor at the mail on sunday. and joe twyman is a pollster — and the co—founder of deltapoll. anna, one right up says the prime minister sought to present himself as the tax—cutting heir of margaret thatcher and nigel lawson. what did you make that assessment? that’s you make that assessment? that's certainly how— you make that assessment? that's certainly how he _ you make that assessment? that's certainly how he describes - you make that assessment? that's| certainly how he describes himself, whether_ certainly how he describes himself, whether or— certainly how he describes himself, whether or not voters will be convinces _ whether or not voters will be convinces another matter. effectively, they are currently trying — effectively, they are currently trying to _ effectively, they are currently
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trying to create low taxes and cutting — trying to create low taxes and cutting taxes is the dividing line between — cutting taxes is the dividing line between them and labour. the problem with that _ between them and labour. the problem with that is _ between them and labour. the problem with that is that his parliament is obviously— with that is that his parliament is obviously in the tax burden rights are record — obviously in the tax burden rights are record high and even the tax cuts _ are record high and even the tax cuts that— are record high and even the tax cuts that chris mason has just listed — cuts that chris mason has just listed that we saw unveiled in the plan promised today, even that doesn't — plan promised today, even that doesn't particularly cut the tax burden — doesn't particularly cut the tax burden. rishi sunak was challenged on this— burden. rishi sunak was challenged on this and — burden. rishi sunak was challenged on this and he seemed to say in his answer— on this and he seemed to say in his answer that— on this and he seemed to say in his answer that the tax burden would start to _ answer that the tax burden would start to creep down, but independent analysis— start to creep down, but independent analysis is— start to creep down, but independent analysis is suggested isn't the case — analysis is suggested isn't the case. whoever comes and it sounds like taxes _ case. whoever comes and it sounds like taxes are going to be pretty high _ like taxes are going to be pretty high and — like taxes are going to be pretty high. and whether or not voters will be convinced by his offerings today remains _ be convinced by his offerings today remains to — be convinced by his offerings today remains to be seen.— remains to be seen. paul, let's bring you _ remains to be seen. paul, let's bring you end- _ remains to be seen. paul, let's bring you end. we _ remains to be seen. paul, let's bring you end. we saw- remains to be seen. paul, let's bring you end. we saw in - remains to be seen. paul, let's bring you end. we saw in that. remains to be seen. paul, let's - bring you end. we saw in that piece from faisal islam just then, funding from faisal islam just then, funding from these tax cuts come from one of the experts in that report said
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around certain things, tax avoidance, cracking down on that. hello paul? {3h avoidance, cracking down on that. hello paul?— avoidance, cracking down on that. hello paul? oh i'm sorry, i missed the question- _ hello paul? oh i'm sorry, i missed the question. no, _ hello paul? oh i'm sorry, i missed the question. no, i— hello paul? oh i'm sorry, i missed the question. no, i was _ hello paul? oh i'm sorry, i missed the question. no, i was making . hello paul? oh i'm sorry, i missed the question. no, i was making a i the question. no, i was making a statement _ the question. no, i was making a statement but _ the question. no, i was making a statement but i _ the question. no, i was making a statement but i thought - the question. no, i was making a statement but i thought you - the question. no, i was making a. statement but i thought you would pick up. let me ask it in a question, what do you think about that? the concern about where this money will come from? you saw there in faisal islam's report there were the conservatives say that money will fund these tax cuts, but up with an expert in his report there said that some of those things are more unreliable sources, things like promise to crack down on tax avoidance for example. so do you think this is something that will work with mark i think that the issue the conservatives face with their tax and spending proposals is pretty similar to the problem that jeremy corbyn faced back in 2019. if you take some individual policies in isolation you'll probably find some
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degree of support for them amongst the electorate. but when you are not perceived have any credibility, when you are perceived to have squandered any credibility, that really undermines policy offering that you're making in the manifesto. i think that is the central challenge that the tories have got in the selection, that voters are thinking about what has preceded this election over the last four or five years, ratherthan election over the last four or five years, rather than the promises that they are making in the future. as to take tax, for instance, it's easy to say that you're going to cut national insurance, but people know that the tax burden is the highest it's been since i think 1948, and the tories promised to cut immigration, yet voters know that net migration is at the highest level it's ever been. so it's the credibility gap that conservatives are struggling to bridge, as much as
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should reduce taxes and cut - just 14, one in seven people said we. should reduce taxes and cut spending on public— should reduce taxes and cut spending on public services. _ should reduce taxes and cut spending on public services. that _ should reduce taxes and cut spending on public services. that rises - should reduce taxes and cut spending on public services. that rises to - on public services. that rises to 17% for— on public services. that rises to 17% for conservative _ on public services. that rises to 17% for conservative voters. - on public services. that rises to 17% for conservative voters. by| on public services. that rises to l 17% for conservative voters. by no means _ 17% for conservative voters. by no means are — 17% for conservative voters. by no means are overwhelmingly - 17% for conservative voters. by noi means are overwhelmingly popular with that _ means are overwhelmingly popular with that group _ means are overwhelmingly popular with that group either, _ means are overwhelmingly popular with that group either, and - 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continue to trail behind labour. joe, thank you very much. and | continue to trail behind labour. | joe, thank you very much. and i should add that we did get a response from the labour party, too. to the conservative manifesto, labour describing those national insurance cut as the most expensive
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panic attack in history. warning that they say not being properly funded. we'll have more discussions on the manifesto, so do stay with us, but for now, around the world and across the uk, this is bbc news.
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the value of any manifesto is, of course, all in the eyes of the beholder. what will voters make of it, especially in the conservative heartlands? we've been gauging views in the constituency of aldershot in the south east of england. aldershot is widely seen as the home of the british army. usually solid tory territory, it was comfortably held by the party at the last election, but now labour has high hopes of taking the seat, after success in the may local elections. 0ur correspondent danjohnson has spent the day in the town. this is a military town with a conservative tradition. but all sort of things in aldershot are changing, and political loyalties
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are shifting, too. so much so that labour could now have a chance here in a seat that's been conservative for over 100 years. so, will tory election manifesto promises make much difference? iam interested, definitely, yes. i've reached the age i am now, 63, i've always been a socialist, i've started warming towards the tories. ijust know i'm not going to vote conservative. whatever they say in their manifesto — can i ask how and why? ijust don't really think it's going very well at the moment, and i think we need a change. i'd love to get on i the property ladder. renting's not great, so having my own place be lovely, yeah. - would that sway your vote? probably, yeah, actually, - because it's within my interests. so, who should serve? david's only ever voted for a conservative government. security also means the security of knowing you will have dignity in retirement.
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so, the promise of a tax cut for pensioners — do you like the sound that, david? i am blessed with enough that it won't make a significant difference to me, but for many it would be a good help, yes. are you any more likely to vote for rishi sunak this time, having heard what he's had to say? not more likely at this stage. i have to hear what others offer, and mull over the real meaning of what rishi sunak is saying, before deciding. a growing town means gps under pressure — and this one's still uncertain. i'm really pleased that he's still planning to put the vaping ban in place. what do you want to hear? i want to hear investment in primary care. we're the gatekeepers for the nhs, we keep costs down and make things effective. and we're on the doorsteps for patients to reach us. and one more doctor at the surgery will make such a difference. sharon is living with parkinson's and wants to be heard. make our streets safe, and make our roads safe
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and the potholes filled in. all the little things that are making our country look untidy. there's been nobody strong enough, in my opinion, in the conservatives to govern our country. so will you vote labour this time? yes — or reform, can't decide. decisions to make. danjohnson, bbc news, in aldershot. paul, anna and joe are still with me. going to start with you, joe, because you deal with polls on a daily basis. what did you make of what those voters they are told my colleague, dan? it’s what those voters they are told my colleague, dan?— colleague, dan? it's broadly reflective — colleague, dan? it's broadly reflective of _ colleague, dan? it's broadly reflective of the _ colleague, dan? it's broadly reflective of the kind - colleague, dan? it's broadly reflective of the kind of- colleague, dan? it's broadly- reflective of the kind of responses that we _ reflective of the kind of responses that we are — reflective of the kind of responses that we are seeing _ reflective of the kind of responses that we are seeing in _ reflective of the kind of responses that we are seeing in actual- reflective of the kind of responses i that we are seeing in actual surveys of people's— that we are seeing in actual surveys of people's views _ that we are seeing in actual surveys of people's views on _ that we are seeing in actual surveys of people's views on the _ that we are seeing in actual surveys of people's views on the election. l of people's views on the election. the way— of people's views on the election. the way to— of people's views on the election. the way to think _ of people's views on the election. the way to think about _ of people's views on the election. | the way to think about manifestos is, firstly, — the way to think about manifestos is, firstly, they— the way to think about manifestos is, firstly, they are _ the way to think about manifestos is, firstly, they are finishing - the way to think about manifestos is, firstly, they are finishing only. is, firstly, they are finishing only a few— is, firstly, they are finishing only a few people _ is, firstly, they are finishing only a few people out _ is, firstly, they are finishing only a few people out there _ is, firstly, they are finishing only a few people out there that - is, firstly, they are finishing only a few people out there that are i a few people out there that are getting — a few people out there that are getting copies _ a few people out there that are getting copies of _ a few people out there that are getting copies of each - a few people out there that are getting copies of each of - a few people out there that are getting copies of each of the i getting copies of each of the parties —
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look at the restaurant and if the restaurant — look at the restaurant and if the restaurant doesn't _ look at the restaurant and if the restaurant doesn't look - look at the restaurant and if the restaurant doesn't look great i look at the restaurant and if the i restaurant doesn't look great and look at the restaurant and if the . restaurant doesn't look great and if the head _ restaurant doesn't look great and if the head chef— restaurant doesn't look great and if the head chef has _ restaurant doesn't look great and if the head chef has been _ restaurant doesn't look great and if the head chef has been spilling - restaurant doesn't look great and ifi the head chef has been spilling soup everywhere — the head chef has been spilling soup everywhere and _ the head chef has been spilling soup everywhere and the _ the head chef has been spilling soup everywhere and the other— the head chef has been spilling soup everywhere and the other people - everywhere and the other people working — everywhere and the other people working there _ everywhere and the other people working there have _ everywhere and the other people working there have been- everywhere and the other people working there have been fightingj working there have been fighting each other— working there have been fighting each other a _ working there have been fighting each other a lot, _ working there have been fighting each other a lot, you _ working there have been fighting each other a lot, you might - working there have been fighting l each other a lot, you might choose to eat _ each other a lot, you might choose to eat elsewhere. _ each other a lot, you might choose to eat elsewhere.— to eat elsewhere. while, what an analo: , to eat elsewhere. while, what an analogy. joe- _ to eat elsewhere. while, what an analogy. joe- i— to eat elsewhere. while, what an analogy, joe. i don't _ to eat elsewhere. while, what an analogy, joe. i don't know - to eat elsewhere. while, what an analogy, joe. i don't know if - to eat elsewhere. while, what anj analogy, joe. i don't know if i can follow up from that. anna, i'm going to bring you in. in the report we saw voter they are talking about
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concerns when it comes to housing. today, the conservatives are promising help for first—time buyers, they'll abolish stamp duty on homes up to 400 than £25,000 —— £425,000. do you think that will go some way in alleviating the concerns that many of your readers have when it comes to getting on the property letter? i it comes to getting on the property letter? . . ., letter? i mean, it might come up with the biggest _ letter? i mean, it might come up with the biggest thing _ letter? i mean, it might come up with the biggest thing missing i letter? i mean, it might come up| with the biggest thing missing and it is anything serious about house—building which i think anyone would _ house—building which i think anyone would look— house—building which i think anyone would look at the housing crisis and how house — would look at the housing crisis and how house prices have risen over the last few _ how house prices have risen over the last few decades, they know it's the biggest _ last few decades, they know it's the biggest problem. there was very little _ biggest problem. there was very little focus from rishi sunak's speech— little focus from rishi sunak's speech at all on building houses and it's not— speech at all on building houses and it's not exactly somewhere where the conservatives have a good record. so ithink— conservatives have a good record. so i think labour seems to be, will also _ i think labour seems to be, will also see — i think labour seems to be, will also see their manifesto two days but from — also see their manifesto two days but from the trail so far they seem
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to be _ but from the trail so far they seem to be focusing a bit more on reform and planning, things they will try to get— and planning, things they will try to get more building happening but that is— to get more building happening but that is the key. i mean, helped by all these — that is the key. i mean, helped by all these schemes, they have helped people _ all these schemes, they have helped people and obviously extension is welcome — people and obviously extension is welcome but ultimately these are all, welcome but ultimately these are all. you _ welcome but ultimately these are all, you know, these are things that in some _ all, you know, these are things that in some ways feel house prices, they don't _ in some ways feel house prices, they don't actually make it easier overall~ _ don't actually make it easier overall. �* . don't actually make it easier overall. �* , , ., ., overall. i'll bring you in now, paul overall. i'll bring you in now, paul, because _ overall. i'll bring you in now, paul, because another - overall. i'll bring you in now, paul, because another thing | overall. i'll bring you in now, - paul, because another thing that was mentioned at that manifesto launch, was a reiteration again of rishi sunak�*s pledge to send some asylum—seekers coming to the uk to rwanda. it's a reiteration of something that has yet to happen, but do you think that will still hold currency with some of the more loyal conservative voters, such as some of them we saw in dan's piece
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there? �* ,., ' some of them we saw in dan's piece there? ~ ' ., , ., ., ., there? about 12 months ago i thought that the rwanda _ there? about 12 months ago i thought that the rwanda scheme _ there? about 12 months ago i thought that the rwanda scheme and - there? about 12 months ago i thought that the rwanda scheme and small i that the rwanda scheme and small boats issues was going to be one of the central issues in the election. i thought it was going to be something that the conservatives would exploit to their advantage. now that in full swing in the campaign, i do think that immigration and asylum will still be dominant issues, but i think it will be what the iced against the conservatives and their record will be used against them. because as i said in the previous answer, the conservative side in 2019 that they would get brexit done and it would cut immigration. they did the first bit but the second bit is very much a work in progress because net migration is at record levels. and i think in this selection, you can see some of the key waters are that the red line voters, they voted for brexit, they feel totally betrayed
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by the sunak government and they are falling into the arms of the populism of nigel farage and so i think that although i thought immigration would benefit conservatives, it turned out to be the exact opposite. immigration will divide the right wing and we will see labour win more seats than it would have otherwise. i’zre see labour win more seats than it would have otherwise.— see labour win more seats than it would have otherwise. i've only got 30 seconds — would have otherwise. i've only got 30 seconds but _ would have otherwise. i've only got 30 seconds but i _ would have otherwise. i've only got 30 seconds but i want _ would have otherwise. i've only got 30 seconds but i want to _ would have otherwise. i've only got 30 seconds but i want to ask - would have otherwise. i've only got 30 seconds but i want to ask joe i would have otherwise. i've only gotj 30 seconds but i want to ask joe on 30 seconds but i want to askjoe on that, what do you think polling is the weakest concern aside from the cost of living? the the weakest concern aside from the cost of living?— cost of living? the nhs, that is true of all _ cost of living? the nhs, that is true of all voting _ cost of living? the nhs, that is true of all voting groups - cost of living? the nhs, that is true of all voting groups with i cost of living? the nhs, that is. true of all voting groups with the exception — true of all voting groups with the exception of _ true of all voting groups with the exception of reform _ true of all voting groups with the exception of reform supporters. i true of all voting groups with the i exception of reform supporters. paul is absolutely — exception of reform supporters. paul is absolutely right, _ exception of reform supporters. paul is absolutely right, this _ exception of reform supporters. paul is absolutely right, this could - exception of reform supporters. paul is absolutely right, this could be i exception of reform supporters. paul is absolutely right, this could be a i is absolutely right, this could be a cleavage — is absolutely right, this could be a cleavage for — is absolutely right, this could be a cleavage for the _ is absolutely right, this could be a cleavage for the right, _ is absolutely right, this could be a cleavage for the right, but- is absolutely right, this could be a cleavage for the right, but it's i cleavage for the right, but it's unlikely— cleavage for the right, but it's unlikely to _ cleavage for the right, but it's unlikely to affect _ cleavage for the right, but it's unlikely to affect the - cleavage for the right, but it's unlikely to affect the left i cleavage for the right, but it's unlikely to affect the left in i cleavage for the right, but it'si unlikely to affect the left in the same _ unlikely to affect the left in the same way _ unlikely to affect the left in the same way-— unlikely to affect the left in the samewa. . ~ . same way. 0k, thank you so much. paul same way. 0k, thank you so much. paul. anna. — same way. 0k, thank you so much. paul, anna, and _ same way. 0k, thank you so much. paul, anna, and joe, _ same way. 0k, thank you so much. paul, anna, and joe, we'll- same way. 0k, thank you so much. paul, anna, and joe, we'll be i paul, anna, and joe, we'll be discussing the scottish leaders debate in a short while as well. there's plenty more by the way on the conservatives manifesto launch on the bbc news website. we're running a live page that has plenty
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more and analysis. to stay with us, this is the contacts. hello there, good evening. well, it's been another day of sunny spells with some showers. blustery, chilly northwesterly winds blowing towards north sea—facing coasts once again. the air is cold for the time of year certainly, but it still feels pleasantly warm — the best of the sunshine, the sun just as strong as it is everyjune. and there'll be more in the way of sunshine probably tomorrow — the driest—looking day of the week. not completely dry, still a few showers around, and certainly a chilly start to the day. now we've got high pressure building in from the west, killing off a lot of those showers. and the winds will be a lot lighter — and they're falling lighter overnight tonight. now, it's likely to be just as cold tonight as it was last night, when some of our temperatures drop back to low single figures. there will be some clear spells developing, a lot of dry weather around. widely, we'll see 5—9 celsius — but as i said, in some
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of the rural sheltered spots, temperatures will be a lot lower than this. so, it's a cold start to wednesday morning, but once again, quite a bit of early sunshine around. variable amounts of cloud, and the cloud will tend to build through the day. most of the showers will be across eastern areas of england, further north and west, then it should be largely dry, perhaps 1—2 very isolated showers. lighter winds, but temperatures still disappointingly low for the time of year, just 12—17 celsius. now, as we look into thursday, we start to see a few changes. so it's already a wet start to the day across northern ireland — this rain will be pushing eastwards across wales, pushing through into central areas of england, eventually reaching northern scotland and possibly south—east england, but not until we get to the end of the afternoon. brisk winds up through irish sea coasts, but it's milder, particularly out towards the north and the west there, with temperatures rising back up into the mid—teens in celsius. low pressure remains very much in charge, too, as we head through friday and the weekend.
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so, there'll be showers, there'll be longer spells of rain around at times, and brisk south—westerly winds blowing. but the air will be milder — it will be especially milder by night as well, with temperatures rising by day, back up to the seasonal average. won't be raining all the time, there'll also be some sunny spells around, and it will feel pleasantly warm in the best of the sunshine, of course, but some unsettled, milder weather as we head through the second half of this week. bye—bye for now.
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i'm rajini vaidyanathan. what uk party has the greenest agenda of all? as the campaign continues, our climate editor takes a look at that. let's turn to the uk election, and the second televisted debate between the leaders of political parties in scotland has just ended. in an hour long show, the studio audience in glasgow put questions to the snp�*s first minister of scotland john swinney, douglas ross from the scottish conservatives, anas sarwar from scottish labour,
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lorna slater from the scottish greens and alex cole—hamilton from the scottish lib dems.

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