cool as it has been. hello, i'm ben thompson. you're watching the context on bbc news. we will not raise tax on working people. that means no tax rises for income tax, national insurance, for vat. our manifesto comes out tomorrow. it is a very forward looking manifesto. but there is nothing in our manifesto that requires us to raise tax. tax cuts for people at every stage of their life. for people in work, for people who are setting up small businesses and self—employed, for those young people want to buy their first home, for pensioners and for families, because i believe people should keep more of their hard earned money now that we're a position to do so having restored economic stability. on the panel tonight, journalist and author jenny kleeman, john manley — politics correspondent for the irish news, and chris morris — ceo of full fact.

first, the latest headlines: at least nine people have been killed in a russian missile attack in the southern ukrainian city of kryvyi rih. president biden and ukraine's president zelensky will sign a new security agreement on thursday during a meeting on the sidelines of the g7 summit in italy. the us secretary of state has said that the us and other mediators will work to bridge the gaps between hamas and israel over the latest gaza ceasefire proposal. antony blinken said that some of the changes requested by hamas "were workable". a group of russian naval vessels has arrived in the cuban capital, havana, in what's widely seen as a show of force amid tensions with the west over the war in ukraine. the port is just 160 kilometres from a us naval air station in florida. hungary says it won't take part in nato—led efforts to provide

security assistance for kyiv — but will not block them either. the position was announced by hungarian prime minister, viktor orban at a press conference with the head of nato, jens stoltenberg. we're halfway there. it's three weeks since a general election was called in the uk and three weeks tomorrow, voters will go to the polls. over the past 90 minutes, prime minister rishi sunak and rival sir keir starmer have been quizzed by the political editor of sky news as well as members of the public. live now to grimsby and our political correspondent hannah miller is in the spin room, where analysis of what has been said over the last 90 minutes is already well under way. hannah, we have heard now from both leaders, the spin is well under way, what are they telling you about who came out of this better? we

what are they telling you about who came out of this better?— came out of this better? we have “ust came out of this better? we have 'ust heard came out of this better? we have just heard from _ came out of this better? we have just heard from rishi _ came out of this better? we have just heard from rishi sunak, - came out of this better? we have i just heard from rishi sunak, he was quizzed over his five pledges that he made when he initially took office, growing economy, having inflation, reducing that cutting weightiness, and stopping the boats, weightiness, and stopping the boats, we can get reacted to his performance straightaway with garrett davis, treasury minister, what have you made of you heard? it what have you made of you heard? it was a good night, notjust part rishi _ was a good night, notjust part rishi sunak to set out the clear difference with keir starmer, but interesting for the british public to see _ interesting for the british public to see what we have seen in the british_ to see what we have seen in the british commons is keir starmer's inability— british commons is keir starmer's inability to— british commons is keir starmer's inability to answer a question, i find it_ inability to answer a question, i find it frustrating to watch that, but an — find it frustrating to watch that, but an interesting contrast emerged in the _ but an interesting contrast emerged in the last_ but an interesting contrast emerged in the last bit where keir starmer said he _ in the last bit where keir starmer said he would never use his family members — said he would never use his family members use primary health care, yet he emerged _ members use primary health care, yet he emerged that he has private health— he emerged that he has private health care. he he emerged that he has private health care-— he emerged that he has private health care. ., _ ., health care. he not quite say that, health care. he not quite say that, he said that _ health care. he not quite say that, he said that he _ health care. he not quite say that, he said that he has _ health care. he not quite say that, he said that he has an _ health care. he not quite say that, he said that he has an nhs - he said that he has an nhs dentist for his children, and that he has

paid for dental treatment himself, it's not quite the same. he paid for dental treatment himself, it's not quite the same.— it's not quite the same. he was clear in the _ it's not quite the same. he was clear in the last _ it's not quite the same. he was clear in the last debate - it's not quite the same. he was clear in the last debate that. it's not quite the same. he was clear in the last debate that he| clear in the last debate that he would — clear in the last debate that he would not use private health care for his— would not use private health care for his family, and he has said tonight— for his family, and he has said tonight he _ for his family, and he has said tonight he has paid for private health— tonight he has paid for private health care, sol tonight he has paid for private health care, so i think there's a bit of— health care, so i think there's a bit of a — health care, so i think there's a bit of a difference there, and you never— bit of a difference there, and you never quite — bit of a difference there, and you never quite know which keir starmer you are _ never quite know which keir starmer you are going to get. we heard stuff about _ you are going to get. we heard stuff about him _ you are going to get. we heard stuff about him running on a clear manifesto _ about him running on a clear manifesto in 2017 and tried again in 2019 to _ manifesto in 2017 and tried again in 2019 to make jeremy corbyn prime minister— 2019 to make jeremy corbyn prime minister for a second time, and we heard _ minister for a second time, and we heard tonight he did not wantjeremy corbyn _ heard tonight he did not wantjeremy corbyn to— heard tonight he did not wantjeremy corbyn to be prime minister, so we do this— corbyn to be prime minister, so we do this hot— corbyn to be prime minister, so we do this not know, but we see a prime minister— do this not know, but we see a prime minister in _ do this not know, but we see a prime minister in rishi sunak who has a clear— minister in rishi sunak who has a clear blah, — minister in rishi sunak who has a clear plan, a prime minister for 18 months. _ clear plan, a prime minister for 18 months, already has cut national insurance — months, already has cut national insurance twice and was ticketed again— insurance twice and was ticketed again and — insurance twice and was ticketed again and abolish national insurance for anybody self—employed, that is a clear difference, where keir starmer could _ clear difference, where keir starmer could not— clear difference, where keir starmer could not answer a question about tacticiahs — could not answer a question about tacticians that he is not going to put uo — tacticians that he is not going to ut u -. �* , ~ , tacticians that he is not going to hutu, , .,~' tacticians that he is not going to --utu. �*, ,, ,., ,, ., put up. let's keep talking about rishi sunak. _ put up. let's keep talking about rishi sunak, because _ put up. let's keep talking about rishi sunak, because he - put up. let's keep talking about rishi sunak, because he is- put up. let's keep talking about rishi sunak, because he is still| rishi sunak, because he is still being dogged by questions over partygate and dd, as it were you you

that your party is lost so much trust amongst the public, the audience here, and the general public, over those issues, that it would be impossible to rebuild that before an election?— before an election? people want delive , before an election? people want delivery. they — before an election? people want delivery, they want _ before an election? people want delivery, they want to _ before an election? people want delivery, they want to feel - before an election? people want i delivery, they want to feel better, an economy that is growing, inflation _ an economy that is growing, inflation done, crime reduced, they want _ inflation done, crime reduced, they want to— inflation done, crime reduced, they want to see — inflation done, crime reduced, they want to see that happening in a government that has a plan for the future _ government that has a plan for the future. they don't want to vote, i don't _ future. they don't want to vote, i don't think. — future. they don't want to vote, i don't think, for something they do not know— don't think, for something they do not know they will get. so when it comes— not know they will get. so when it comes to — not know they will get. so when it comes to the 4th ofjuly, they would have a _ comes to the 4th ofjuly, they would have a clear— comes to the 4th ofjuly, they would have a clear choice, rishi sunak, was beeh — have a clear choice, rishi sunak, was been prime minister for 18 months — was been prime minister for 18 months and significantly cut taxes and will— months and significantly cut taxes and will continue to do that, or keir— and will continue to do that, or keir starmer, who has made it clear tonight— keir starmer, who has made it clear tonight there are a number of taxes he cannot— tonight there are a number of taxes he cannot without putting up. we heard he cannot without putting up. heard some he cannot without putting up. - heard some of your colleagues today that the labour might have a majority, do you believe the conservatives can win that election still? ~ . ., conservatives can win that election still? . . ., , conservatives can win that election still? . , ., conservatives can win that election still? ~ , ., , , still? we can see tonight why rishi sunak should _ still? we can see tonight why rishi sunak should remain _ still? we can see tonight why rishi sunak should remain our— still? we can see tonight why rishi i sunak should remain our premise are

and why— sunak should remain our premise are and why keir— sunak should remain our premise are and why keir starmer cannot answer a course _ and why keir starmer cannot answer a course in _ and why keir starmer cannot answer a course in about what he would do in government. course in about what he would do in government-— government. what would be a good result in this _ government. what would be a good result in this general _ government. what would be a good result in this general election - government. what would be a good result in this general election for. result in this general election for you? result in this general election for ou? ~ ., ., ., you? we need to remain a conservative _ you? we need to remain a conservative government | you? we need to remain a i conservative government so you? we need to remain a - conservative government so you can keep reducing taxation on family, we do not _ keep reducing taxation on family, we do not want — keep reducing taxation on family, we do not want to see families burden with another £2000 of taxation. that claim is been — with another £2000 of taxation. trust claim is been massively disputed, will talk deliberate certainly, we know the assumptions around it, assumptions bite special advisers, it is a figure that has been disputed, and the labour party would dispute, and we will talk to them now as well. {lit dispute, and we will talk to them now as well-— dispute, and we will talk to them now as well. of course the labour pa will now as well. of course the labour party will disputed, _ now as well. of course the labour party will disputed, it _ now as well. of course the labour party will disputed, it is _ now as well. of course the labour party will disputed, it is treasury. party will disputed, it is treasury costing. — party will disputed, it is treasury costing, carson's on the labour party— costing, carson's on the labour party as — costing, carson's on the labour party as well, on the basis of assumptions that the conservative party _ assumptions that the conservative party have — assumptions that the conservative party have made.— party have made. thank you very much. party have made. thank you very much- this _ party have made. thank you very much. this is _ party have made. thank you very much. this is absolutely - party have made. thank you very much. this is absolutely really i much. this is absolutely really important- _ much. this is absolutely really important- it— much. this is absolutely really important. it is _ much. this is absolutely really important. it is very _ much. this is absolutely really important. it is very clear, - important. it is very clear, undelivered government, your taxes will go _ undelivered government, your taxes will go up _ undelivered government, your taxes will go up by £2000. it is absolutely clear, and keir starmer could _ absolutely clear, and keir starmer could not— absolutely clear, and keir starmer could not rule out putting up various — could not rule out putting up various taxes tonight. he was all

over— various taxes tonight. he was all over the — various taxes tonight. he was all over the place, when it comes to boiling _ over the place, when it comes to polling date, we would look carefully about who they want to be my minister, whether they want your taxes _ my minister, whether they want your taxes to— my minister, whether they want your taxes to go— my minister, whether they want your taxes to go up or down. let�*s my minister, whether they want your taxes to go up or down.— taxes to go up or down. let's put some of that — taxes to go up or down. let's put some of that to _ taxes to go up or down. let's put some of that to the _ taxes to go up or down. let's put some of that to the labour- taxes to go up or down. let's put| some of that to the labour party, gareth davies, thanks forjoining us, and a second we would have louise haigh, the transport secretary, she is here with us now, first of all, what do to make of it keir starmer�*s performance tonight? he got into stride when it came to the interaction with the audience, he was _ the interaction with the audience, he was confident and you saw the audience — he was confident and you saw the audience want to him increasingly, and elect _ audience want to him increasingly, and elect the answer when he was asked _ and elect the answer when he was asked about his greatest fear, when he spoke _ asked about his greatest fear, when he spoke his family and what he might— he spoke his family and what he might mean for his children, and i have _ might mean for his children, and i have spoken to him about that personally many times, it is something that keeps him up that personally many times, it is something that keeps them overnight, and it showed the measure of the man _ and it showed the measure of the man it— and it showed the measure of the man, ., ., and it showed the measure of the man. ., ., ., ~ man. it also said he had talked about jeremy _ man. it also said he had talked about jeremy corbyn _ man. it also said he had talked about jeremy corbyn being - man. it also said he had talked about jeremy corbyn being a i man. it also said he had talked . about jeremy corbyn being a great aboutjeremy corbyn being a great time minister, because of the time he did not think the labour party would wind. he gives some explanation of that, but too many

people, it might sound usually disingenuous. keir people, it might sound usually disingenuous.— people, it might sound usually disingenuous. keir starmer and i have camping — disingenuous. keir starmer and i have camping for— disingenuous. keir starmer and i have camping for the _ disingenuous. keir starmer and i have camping for the labour- disingenuous. keir starmer and i l have camping for the labour party disingenuous. keir starmer and i - have camping for the labour party in many— have camping for the labour party in many elections, we make no apologies for once _ many elections, we make no apologies for once great labour candidates to si-n for once great labour candidates to sign up _ for once great labour candidates to sign up for— for once great labour candidates to sign up for the party would be living — sign up for the party would be living that stands for the values, stands _ living that stands for the values, stands stands for the valleys on the basis _ stands stands for the valleys on the basis it— stands stands for the valleys on the basis it was— stands stands for the valleys on the basis it was formed in 100 years ago. _ basis it was formed in 100 years ago. but — basis it was formed in 100 years ago. but in _ basis it was formed in 100 years ago, but in the manifesto we would put ago, but in the manifesto we would but to— ago, but in the manifesto we would but to the _ ago, but in the manifesto we would put to the people in 2019, it was roundly— put to the people in 2019, it was roundly rejected and as was said in the debate, rather than putting all her fingers the debate, rather than putting all herfingers in our ears the debate, rather than putting all her fingers in our ears and seeing the voters— her fingers in our ears and seeing the voters got it wrong, we listened to what _ the voters got it wrong, we listened to what they said and keir starmer has changed the labour party which led us _ has changed the labour party which led us to— has changed the labour party which led us to the point we can publish it manifesto tomorrow we hope the people _ it manifesto tomorrow we hope the people would accept that we can deliver— people would accept that we can deliver on— people would accept that we can deliver on my and would be fully funded _ deliver on my and would be fully funded and costed, but was still deliberate radical change in peoples lives and _ deliberate radical change in peoples lives and tackle the massive changes —— challenges for the country. you -- challenges for the country. you make it clear— -- challenges for the country. you make it clear that _ —— challenges for the country. 7m. make it clear that when the manifesto comes out tomorrow you will not be rescinded to try to camp

and many pop charges of said may child poverty worse, is that a position you are comfortable with western mark what? mil position you are comfortable with western mark what?— position you are comfortable with western mark what? all of us want to see child poverty _ western mark what? all of us want to see child poverty eradicated - western mark what? all of us want to see child poverty eradicated and - western mark what? all of us want to see child poverty eradicated and i - see child poverty eradicated and i voted _ see child poverty eradicated and i voted against the two child benefit cap voted against the two child benefit cab when — voted against the two child benefit cap when it was introduced, but there _ cap when it was introduced, but there are — cap when it was introduced, but there are really tough choices at this election and keir starmer has said we _ this election and keir starmer has said we would put forward and and antichild _ said we would put forward and and antichild poverty and strategy, we will have — antichild poverty and strategy, we will have that as a defining missive of the _ will have that as a defining missive of the next — will have that as a defining missive of the next labour government to get rid of— of the next labour government to get rid of child _ of the next labour government to get rid of child poverty, but we have to -et rid of child poverty, but we have to get the _ rid of child poverty, but we have to get the economy going, and that is part of— get the economy going, and that is part of our— get the economy going, and that is part of our strategy, to get the economy— part of our strategy, to get the economy going, so we can bring in more _ economy going, so we can bring in more revenue to our public services and improve — more revenue to our public services and improve living standards right across _ and improve living standards right across the — and improve living standards right across the country for everyone. thank _ across the country for everyone. thank you — across the country for everyone. thank you forjoining us, so the spending is under way, well under way for everyone after that event tonight with rishi sunak and keir starmer. the parties will be hoping that some of those answers get clipped and shared on social media, you already heard them taking the

fight to each other, and we will see by the time we get to tomorrow morning, which messages are the ones that voters really hear and that really come through.— that voters really hear and that really come through. thank you, hannah, really come through. thank you, hannah. we _ really come through. thank you, hannah, we will— really come through. thank you, hannah, we will talk— really come through. thank you, hannah, we will talk to - really come through. thank you, hannah, we will talk to a - really come through. thank you, hannah, we will talk to a bit - really come through. thank you, i hannah, we will talk to a bit later, hannah, we will talk to a bit later, hannah miller in grimsby. let's talk about some of those with the pennant tonight. joining me on the panel tonight the freelance journalist and authorjenny kleeman, john manley — politics correspondent for the irish news, and chris morris — formely the bbc reality check editor, now ceo of full fact. i want to start with you, chris, you're watching all of that, me your sense of, it's really hard at this stage, three weeks and, who lends the bigger blow, but his tough questions, especially from the audience, and those of the questions that will resonate with people watching. i that will resonate with people watchinu. ., , , watching. i thought the best questions — watching. i thought the best questions or _ watching. i thought the best questions or keir— watching. i thought the best questions or keir starmer. watching. i thought the best i questions or keir starmer from watching. i thought the best - questions or keir starmer from the audience was if you say you are not good to put up taxes, how would you find your plans? and he did not answer directly, he spoke about various priorities, including simple things like fixing potholes, which

might be at remission and of previous promises, but he did not go to the heart of the issue for both major parties, are the been honest about the economic challenges facing the country with mark and keir starmer character was tested a bit, he was asked whether he was a political robot, and to be honest he get that's gave a robotic answer, and at the same time he came across as a fundamentally decent guy committed to public service, and perhaps given the state of the opinion polls, that is as much as he needed to achieve. find opinion polls, that is as much as he needed to achieve.— needed to achieve. and that's a oint in needed to achieve. and that's a point in all _ needed to achieve. and that's a point in all of _ needed to achieve. and that's a point in all of this, _ needed to achieve. and that's a point in all of this, john, - needed to achieve. and that's a point in all of this, john, the i point in all of this, john, the allegation that keir starmer was boring and stiff, actually, right now, given what is happening in dublin street of the past two years, isn't that what they want, some were in politics? isn't that what they want, some were in olitics? , , , , isn't that what they want, some were in olitics? , , , ., ., in politics? very possibly, although the electorate _ in politics? very possibly, although the electorate likes _ in politics? very possibly, although the electorate likes a _ in politics? very possibly, although the electorate likes a bit _ in politics? very possibly, although the electorate likes a bit of- the electorate likes a bit of charisma, it is debatable whether keir starmer has much of that. i

think— keir starmer has much of that. i think the — keir starmer has much of that. i think the stuff that chris referred to about — think the stuff that chris referred to about the taxes is, you know, there _ to about the taxes is, you know, there is— to about the taxes is, you know, there is still— to about the taxes is, you know, there is still a little of ambiguity there _ there is still a little of ambiguity there in— there is still a little of ambiguity there in how they will raise funds, and i'm _ there in how they will raise funds, and i'm disappointed, personally, that they— and i'm disappointed, personally, that they have not been more aggressive with their tax policy, perhaps— aggressive with their tax policy, perhaps we would see a little more in the _ perhaps we would see a little more in the manifesto. we are talking about— in the manifesto. we are talking about income on tax, national insurance. _ about income on tax, national insurance, and several working people. — insurance, and several working people. so _ insurance, and several working people, so perhaps we'll see the rich targeted a bit more tomorrow. yes, _ rich targeted a bit more tomorrow. yes. and _ rich targeted a bit more tomorrow. yes, and jenny, rich targeted a bit more tomorrow. yes, andjenny, i guess rich targeted a bit more tomorrow. yes, and jenny, i guess at the point, we don't have the liver manifesto right now, so going into this, keir starmerwas manifesto right now, so going into this, keir starmer was already on the back foot, because unless you would give details about things like tax and spending on his own, with the wait until tomorrow to get it, but there's not much else he can add, is there?— add, is there? certainly the indication — add, is there? certainly the indication we _ add, is there? certainly the indication we got _ add, is there? certainly the indication we got today - add, is there? certainly the indication we got today is i add, is there? certainly the i indication we got today is that add, is there? certainly the - indication we got today is that he is intending — indication we got today is that he is intending to— indication we got today is that he is intending to be _ indication we got today is that he is intending to be finding - is intending to be finding everything _ is intending to be finding everything through- is intending to be finding. everything through growth, is intending to be finding _ everything through growth, because he said _ everything through growth, because he said he _ everything through growth, because he said he would _ everything through growth, because he said he would not— everything through growth, because he said he would not increase - everything through growth, because he said he would not increase in - he said he would not increase in context. — he said he would not increase in context, national— he said he would not increase in context, national insurance - he said he would not increase in context, national insurance or. he said he would not increase in . context, national insurance or vat, and was _ context, national insurance or vat, and was put — context, national insurance or vat, and was put on _ context, national insurance or vat, and was put on this _ context, national insurance or vat, and was put on this what _ context, national insurance or vat, and was put on this what about - and was put on this what about whether— and was put on this what about whether or not _ and was put on this what about

whether or not there _ and was put on this what about whether or not there be fewerl and was put on this what about - whether or not there be fewer taxes, he said _ whether or not there be fewer taxes, he said no— whether or not there be fewer taxes, he said no but— whether or not there be fewer taxes, he said no but he _ whether or not there be fewer taxes, he said no but he seems— whether or not there be fewer taxes, he said no but he seems to - whether or not there be fewer taxes, he said no but he seems to be - he said no but he seems to be going a liz he said no but he seems to be going a liz truss— he said no but he seems to be going a liz truss line — he said no but he seems to be going a liz truss line of we _ he said no but he seems to be going a liz truss line of we are _ he said no but he seems to be going a liz truss line of we are going - he said no but he seems to be going a liz truss line of we are going to. a liz truss line of we are going to achieve _ a liz truss line of we are going to achieve this — a liz truss line of we are going to achieve this all— a liz truss line of we are going to achieve this all through _ a liz truss line of we are going to achieve this all through growth. i | achieve this all through growth. i think. _ achieve this all through growth. i think. in— achieve this all through growth. i think, in terms _ achieve this all through growth. i think, in terms of— achieve this all through growth. i think, in terms of it _ achieve this all through growth. i think, in terms of it being - 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them getting to answer at length. they got put on the spot quite - them getting to answer at length. they got put on the spot quite a i they got put on the spot quite a lot, both — they got put on the spot quite a lot, both of— they got put on the spot quite a lot, both of them, _ they got put on the spot quite a lot, both of them, starmer- they got put on the spot quite a lot, both of them, starmer wasl lot, both of them, starmer was really— lot, both of them, starmer was really put — lot, both of them, starmer was really put on _ lot, both of them, starmer was really put on the _ lot, both of them, starmer was really put on the spot _ lot, both of them, starmer was really put on the spot about. really put on the spot about distress _ really put on the spot about distress trustworthiness - really put on the spot abouti distress trustworthiness right really put on the spot about - distress trustworthiness right at the beginning. _ distress trustworthiness right at the beginning, being _ distress trustworthiness right at the beginning, being asked - distress trustworthiness right at the beginning, being asked to i the beginning, being asked to account— the beginning, being asked to account for— the beginning, being asked to account for the _ the beginning, being asked to account for the fact _ the beginning, being asked to account for the fact that - the beginning, being asked to account for the fact that he i the beginning, being asked to. account for the fact that he had said he — account for the fact that he had said he thought _ account for the fact that he had said he thoughtjeremy- account for the fact that he had said he thought jeremy corbynl account for the fact that he had - said he thought jeremy corbyn would be a good _ said he thought jeremy corbyn would be a good prime _ said he thought jeremy corbyn would be a good prime minister, _ said he thought jeremy corbyn would be a good prime minister, and - said he thought jeremy corbyn would be a good prime minister, and he - be a good prime minister, and he couldn't— be a good prime minister, and he couldn't really— be a good prime minister, and he couldn't really answer— be a good prime minister, and he couldn't really answer that - couldn't really answer that property. _ couldn't really answer that property. and _ couldn't really answer that property. and i— couldn't really answer that properly, and i think- couldn't really answer that properly, and i think that. couldn't really answer that i properly, and i think that was couldn't really answer that - properly, and i think that was the most _ properly, and i think that was the most revealing _ properly, and i think that was the most revealing thing, _ properly, and i think that was the most revealing thing, he - properly, and i think that was the most revealing thing, he got - properly, and i think that was the most revealing thing, he got to. properly, and i think that was the - most revealing thing, he got to show his human _ most revealing thing, he got to show his human side, _ most revealing thing, he got to show his human side, seen _ most revealing thing, he got to show his human side, seen his— most revealing thing, he got to show his human side, seen his biggest- his human side, seen his biggest fear was — his human side, seen his biggest fear was the _ his human side, seen his biggest fear was the impact _ his human side, seen his biggest fear was the impact this - his human side, seen his biggest fear was the impact this would i his human side, seen his biggest. fear was the impact this would have was on _ fear was the impact this would have was on his— fear was the impact this would have was on his children, _ fear was the impact this would have was on his children, and _ fear was the impact this would have was on his children, and that- fear was the impact this would have was on his children, and that did . was on his children, and that did show— was on his children, and that did show a _ was on his children, and that did show a bit — was on his children, and that did show a bit of— was on his children, and that did show a bit of personality, - was on his children, and that did show a bit of personality, whichl was on his children, and that did| show a bit of personality, which i think— show a bit of personality, which i think will— show a bit of personality, which i think will endear— show a bit of personality, which i think will endear him _ show a bit of personality, which i think will endear him to - show a bit of personality, which i think will endear him to viewers. j think will endear him to viewers. and that's — think will endear him to viewers. and that's a _ think will endear him to viewers. and that's a thing _ think will endear him to viewers. and that's a thing all _ think will endear him to viewers. and that's a thing all of - think will endear him to viewers. and that's a thing all of these i think will endear him to viewers. and that's a thing all of these tv events are about them and try to meet the more human, i guess, and chris, it is been so interested in hearing some of the comments, because we heard them in previous televised events, rishi sunak seen

one of the things he was deprived of as a kid was sky tv, he went with that, and i spoke about some of the things that make you more human, but also the audience kind of laughed and groans that these things, keir starmer talking about is to make her father once again, trying to make him a man of the people, and also true of rishi sunak, who mentions his pharmacist parents and talking about what you want to eat or likes to eat. he about what you want to eat or likes to eat. ., , ., about what you want to eat or likes to eat. ., ,., .,, about what you want to eat or likes to eat. ., .,, ., about what you want to eat or likes to eat. ., ,., .,, ., ,~' ., to eat. he also was asked what might make people — to eat. he also was asked what might make people like _ to eat. he also was asked what might make people like him _ to eat. he also was asked what might make people like him more _ to eat. he also was asked what might make people like him more again, . to eat. he also was asked what might make people like him more again, as| make people like him more again, as beth, the presenter put, and what he came up with, i don't have as good a diet as people think i do, i like eating twigs and horrible, and the problem in the debate is he is running on a record throughout the election that many people do not like, a record that goes back 1a years, so for example, he was asked and puts on this what about the fact that net migration into this country over the last three years has been far higher than a net migration in the three years leading up to the brexit referendum, and all he could

say was it has not been great but i have a bold plan to turn it around. the trouble for him is the record is a record doesn't matter how many variables are to quizzes he eats, he will struggle to give another chance from people,. it’s will struggle to give another chance from people”— from people,. it's noticeable in all of this that — from people,. it's noticeable in all of this that you _ from people,. it's noticeable in all of this that you talked _ from people,. it's noticeable in all of this that you talked about - of this that you talked about himself rather than the party as a whole are the conservatives of the whole, we will talk some more in the moment, but for now all of you thank you for being independent for tonight. around the world and across the uk, this is bbc news.

an independent scotland would focus on raising revenue rather than resorting to austerity. that was the message from the first minister, who was speaking on the bbc�*s panorama programme. john swinney rejected the idea that austerity could be required and also said that english voters were turning against the conservatives and that scottish voters needed to put snp mps back in westminster in order to give them a voice.

england is going to vote against the conservatives. it's plain — it's absolutely clear. you've spent 20 years telling people they've got to have independence because england always votes for the tories! well, listen, england's going to vote against the tories. it's absolutely crystal—clear. so people in scotland have got to decide who's going to protect them at westminster, and the snp will do it. as talk to the panel, and john, a reminder of the importance that parties would play, or the focus right now on labour and the conservatives, but the balance of power is shifting. talk to me about what is happening where you are, sinn fein not doing too much of the lily by the unders those european elections at the weekend, is that a precursor to westminster with a mark to explain what is going on. me precursor to westminster with a mark to explain what is going on.— to explain what is going on. we had that european _ to explain what is going on. we had that european and _ to explain what is going on. we had that european and government - that european and government elections — that european and government elections in the republican of nash the republic of ireland last friday, and content is still going on, and it is expected to go on until friday of this— it is expected to go on until friday of this week, before we get the

final results. sinn fein, who are pulling — final results. sinn fein, who are pulling very well there in the year, and the _ pulling very well there in the year, and the leaders was earmarked to be the next _ and the leaders was earmarked to be the next tee the average per minister. _ the next tee the average per minister, but in recent months, there _ minister, but in recent months, there vote — minister, but in recent months, there vote has collapsed and it could _ there vote has collapsed and it could upset the polls, and they came away with _ could upset the polls, and they came away with half their target, the targeted — away with half their target, the targeted 200 seats in the local 0verman — targeted 200 seats in the local 0verman election, commemorate with overman election, commemorate with roughly— 0verman election, commemorate with roughly half of that, and that the moments — roughly half of that, and that the moments they have one mep, and it is just where _ moments they have one mep, and it is just where they started a month so disappointing result for sinn fein in the _ disappointing result for sinn fein in the republic number the question is whether— in the republic number the question is whether it translate north of the border— is whether it translate north of the border where sinn fein is looking for what — border where sinn fein is looking for what we call it hetrick, it is already— for what we call it hetrick, it is already out pulled the dup in 2022 is a similar— already out pulled the dup in 2022 is a similar election and out pulled them _ is a similar election and out pulled them in _ is a similar election and out pulled them in 2023 local government election. — them in 2023 local government election, so they're basically looking — election, so they're basically looking to become number one at once mr — looking to become number one at once

mr - two. _ looking to become number one at once mr — two, with a better performance in the _ mr — two, with a better performance in the republic affect that? i don't think— in the republic affect that? i don't think so _ in the republic affect that? i don't think so i— in the republic affect that? i don't think so. i think people in northern ireland _ think so. i think people in northern ireland are — think so. i think people in northern ireland are very stuck in their ways — ireland are very stuck in their ways the _ ireland are very stuck in their ways. the republican of ireland and them _ ways. the republican of ireland and them moment is very fragmented, volatile. _ them moment is very fragmented, volatile, but that is not the case in the _ volatile, but that is not the case in the north, i think every likelihood that sinn fein will emerge _ likelihood that sinn fein will emerge onjuly five as likelihood that sinn fein will emerge on july five as top dog likelihood that sinn fein will emerge onjuly five as top dog in northern— emerge onjuly five as top dog in northern ireland. emerge on july five as top dog in northern ireland.— emerge on july five as top dog in northern ireland. jenny, i'm taken b what northern ireland. jenny, i'm taken by what the _ northern ireland. jenny, i'm taken by what the snp _ northern ireland. jenny, i'm taken by what the snp said _ northern ireland. jenny, i'm taken by what the snp said there - northern ireland. jenny, i'm taken by what the snp said there about. by what the snp said there about austerity not being the answer, raise taxes, it would avoid spending cuts, highertaxes, highertax cuts, higher taxes, higher tax rates, cuts, highertaxes, highertax rates, mean that you can close that fiscal gap. is there a danger in all of this that the voters are confused? all the argument there between the labour party and the conservative party about who would raise taxes more and how that is an awful thing to do, we are told, and the snp is seen raise taxes because thatis the snp is seen raise taxes because that is the answer. is there an element where voters do not understand what is going on and just break it down for them in more

simple ways? i break it down for them in more simple ways?— break it down for them in more simple ways? i don't think voters are confused, _ simple ways? i don't think voters are confused, they _ simple ways? i don't think voters are confused, they don't - simple ways? i don't think voters are confused, they don't trust - are confused, they don't trust politicians. _ are confused, they don't trust politicians, the _ are confused, they don't trust politicians, the polls - are confused, they don't trust politicians, the polls of - are confused, they don't trust politicians, the polls of todayl are confused, they don't trust - politicians, the polls of today had sirjohn_ politicians, the polls of today had sirjohn curtis _ politicians, the polls of today had sirjohn curtis talking _ politicians, the polls of today had sirjohn curtis talking about - politicians, the polls of today had sirjohn curtis talking about this, | sirjohn curtis talking about this, voters _ sirjohn curtis talking about this, voters do — sirjohn curtis talking about this, voters do not _ sirjohn curtis talking about this, voters do not trust _ sirjohn curtis talking about this, voters do not trust the _ sirjohn curtis talking about this, voters do not trust the numbersl sirjohn curtis talking about this, - voters do not trust the numbers that come _ voters do not trust the numbers that come out _ voters do not trust the numbers that come out of— voters do not trust the numbers that come out of politicians _ voters do not trust the numbers that come out of politicians modes, - come out of politicians modes, whenever— come out of politicians modes, whenever rishi _ come out of politicians modes, whenever rishi sunak- come out of politicians modes, whenever rishi sunak accusing j come out of politicians modes, - whenever rishi sunak accusing keir starmer— whenever rishi sunak accusing keir starmer of— whenever rishi sunak accusing keir starmer of putting _ whenever rishi sunak accusing keir starmer of putting up— whenever rishi sunak accusing keir starmer of putting up taxes - whenever rishi sunak accusing keir starmer of putting up taxes by- whenever rishi sunak accusing keir. starmer of putting up taxes by £2000 for working _ starmer of putting up taxes by £2000 for working families, _ starmer of putting up taxes by £2000 for working families, and _ starmer of putting up taxes by £2000 for working families, and then- starmer of putting up taxes by £2000 for working families, and then the - for working families, and then the labour— for working families, and then the labour party— for working families, and then the labour party hit _ for working families, and then the labour party hit back _ for working families, and then the labour party hit back with - for working families, and then the labour party hit back with an - for working families, and then thej labour party hit back with an even higher— labour party hit back with an even higher figure. _ labour party hit back with an even higherfigure, and _ labour party hit back with an even higher figure, and then— labour party hit back with an even higher figure, and then you - labour party hit back with an even higher figure, and then you have i higher figure, and then you have john swinney _ higher figure, and then you have john swinney saying _ higher figure, and then you have john swinney saying that - higher figure, and then you have john swinney saying that cuts i higher figure, and then you havel john swinney saying that cuts are going _ john swinney saying that cuts are going to — john swinney saying that cuts are going to come. _ john swinney saying that cuts are going to come, they— john swinney saying that cuts are going to come, they probably - john swinney saying that cuts are i going to come, they probably don't believe _ going to come, they probably don't believe any— going to come, they probably don't believe any of _ going to come, they probably don't believe any of this _ going to come, they probably don't believe any of this because - going to come, they probably don't believe any of this because it - going to come, they probably don't believe any of this because it all. believe any of this because it all 'ust believe any of this because it all just becomes _ believe any of this because it all just becomes numbers- believe any of this because it all just becomes numbers being. believe any of this because it all- just becomes numbers being thrown around. _ just becomes numbers being thrown around. and — just becomes numbers being thrown around. and poll— just becomes numbers being thrown around, and poll after— just becomes numbers being thrown around, and poll after poll— just becomes numbers being thrown around, and poll after poll has - around, and poll after poll has shown — around, and poll after poll has shown that _ around, and poll after poll has shown that the _ around, and poll after poll has shown that the moment - around, and poll after poll has shown that the moment the i around, and poll after poll has - shown that the moment the public are not crying _ shown that the moment the public are not crying out — shown that the moment the public are not crying out for _ shown that the moment the public are not crying out for tax _ shown that the moment the public are not crying out for tax cuts. _ shown that the moment the public are not crying out for tax cuts. they - not crying out for tax cuts. they understand _ not crying out for tax cuts. they understand that _ not crying out for tax cuts. they understand that public - not crying out for tax cuts. they understand that public servicesl not crying out for tax cuts. they i understand that public services are under— understand that public services are under direct— understand that public services are under direct situation— understand that public services are under direct situation and - understand that public services are under direct situation and they - understand that public services are. under direct situation and they know that money— under direct situation and they know that money needs _ under direct situation and they know that money needs to _ under direct situation and they know that money needs to be _ under direct situation and they know that money needs to be spent- under direct situation and they know that money needs to be spent on. that money needs to be spent on public— that money needs to be spent on public services. _ that money needs to be spent on public services. the _ that money needs to be spent on public services. the issue - that money needs to be spent on public services. the issue is - that money needs to be spent on public services. the issue is that| public services. the issue is that both parties— public services. the issue is that both parties are _ public services. the issue is that both parties are claiming - public services. the issue is that both parties are claiming they. public services. the issue is that. both parties are claiming they can find that— both parties are claiming they can find that money— both parties are claiming they can find that money through - find that money through growth, which _ find that money through growth, which is — find that money through growth, which is quite _ find that money through growth, which is quite a _ find that money through growth, which is quite a nebulous- find that money through growth, which is quite a nebulous thing i find that money through growth, i which is quite a nebulous thing and impossible to — which is quite a nebulous thing and impossible to disprove _ which is quite a nebulous thing and impossible to disprove at -

which is quite a nebulous thing and impossible to disprove at this - impossible to disprove at this stage. — impossible to disprove at this stage. so— impossible to disprove at this stage. so it's _ impossible to disprove at this stage, so it's not _ impossible to disprove at this stage, so it's not about- impossible to disprove at this stage, so it's not about the i impossible to disprove at this - stage, so it's not about the public being _ stage, so it's not about the public being confusing. _ stage, so it's not about the public being confusing, i— stage, so it's not about the public being confusing, i think— stage, so it's not about the public being confusing, i think they- being confusing, i think they understand _ being confusing, i think they understand that _ being confusing, i think they understand that money - being confusing, i think they. understand that money needs to being confusing, i think they- understand that money needs to be spent _ understand that money needs to be spent much — understand that money needs to be spent much they— understand that money needs to be spent much theyjust _ understand that money needs to be spent much theyjust don't - understand that money needs to be spent much theyjust don't pay - spent much theyjust don't pay attention— spent much theyjust don't pay attention to _ spent much theyjust don't pay attention to the _ spent much theyjust don't pay attention to the numbers - spent much theyjust don't pay i attention to the numbers because they don't— attention to the numbers because they don't trust _ attention to the numbers because they don't trust the _ attention to the numbers because they don't trust the politicians - they don't trust the politicians were — they don't trust the politicians were giving _ they don't trust the politicians were giving them _ they don't trust the politicians were giving them to _ they don't trust the politicians were giving them to them. - they don't trust the politicians were giving them to them. it. they don't trust the politicians were giving them to them. it took about polls. _ were giving them to them. it took about polls. we — were giving them to them. it took about polls, we set _ were giving them to them. it took about polls, we set a _ were giving them to them. it took about polls, we set a new- were giving them to them. it took about polls, we set a new one - were giving them to them. it took. about polls, we set a new one based on that sky news leaders special unaware as they took questions from the sky news presenter as of the audience, nearly two thirds of voters think sir keir starmer perform better than rishi sunak, thatis perform better than rishi sunak, that is according to a sky news you got for the, which at 36% said rishi sunak one, so two thirds of thinking keir starmer one to about 64%, and i think it's all the boys down to whether this is enough to change anything, because we heard today super majority quite a lot, extremely this is relevant. it is extremely this is relevant. it is interesting _ extremely this is relevant. it is interesting when _ extremely this is relevant. it 3 interesting when other parties, particularly area party and government starts to warn that the

opposition could have such a big majority that they will not be opposition in parliament to hold them to account. i think that his rights, to be honest, and it is important in any democracy to have a strong opposition, but in the end it's up to parties to prove the desire of peoples votes, and one way to do that is to be honest and transparent with them about your policies. i'm going back to thejohn swinney remarks, one problem for an organisation like for the fact in a election, you cannot fact check the future, and you get to a situation where one party scene this will happen and another say no, all you can do is try to add some context and allow people to make good choices, and whatjohn swinney was doing was frantic create clear water between him and the labour party in scotland, saying they would raise your taxes because he's not, because that his real battle and not the conservatives.— that his real battle and not the conservatives. , ., ,, ., conservatives. this talk about some ofthe conservatives. this talk about some of the detail— conservatives. this talk about some of the detail will _ conservatives. this talk about some of the detail will hear _ conservatives. this talk about some of the detail will hear tomorrow, . of the detail will hear tomorrow, regarding the manifesto of the labour party,. this time tomorrow, we will be picking over the manifesto of the labour party.

the liberal democrats presented theirs on monday and have today further outlined details to replace the water industry watchdog, ofwat, with what they call a "tough new regulator" for england and wales, if they're elected. party leader sir ed davey said the clean water authority would be given new powers to reform the industry, with firms required to publish data on the amount of sewage they dump into rivers. sir ed launched the policy on a visit to an outdoor adventure centre in warwickshire and, not for the fist time during this campaign, it didn't take too long for him to personally test the quality of the water. let's talk to the panel once again, and jenny, i wonder what all of these tv moments are for, because messing with the liberal democrats are doing their they seem to be having great fun on the campaign trail, does that genuinely bring in a new audience, younger people are they looking at this and thinking is they looking at this and thinking is the politics they want or is it a gimmick? i the politics they want or is it a rimmick? ~ the politics they want or is it a gimmick?— the politics they want or is it a rimmick? ,, �* , ., a ., gimmick? i think it's a gimmick and it works, gimmick? i think it's a gimmick and it works. it — gimmick? i think it's a gimmick and it works. it is _ gimmick? i think it's a gimmick and it works, it is cutting _ gimmick? i think it's a gimmick and it works, it is cutting through, - gimmick? i think it's a gimmick and it works, it is cutting through, we i it works, it is cutting through, we know— it works, it is cutting through, we know what— it works, it is cutting through, we know what their— it works, it is cutting through, we know what their standing - it works, it is cutting through, we know what their standing for - it works, it is cutting through, we know what their standing for in i

know what their standing for in front— know what their standing for in front of— know what their standing for in front of clean _ know what their standing for in front of clean water, _ know what their standing for in front of clean water, they - know what their standing for in front of clean water, they put i know what their standing for in i front of clean water, they put that on the _ front of clean water, they put that on the front — front of clean water, they put that on the front of— front of clean water, they put that on the front of their _ front of clean water, they put that on the front of their camping, - front of clean water, they put that on the front of their camping, and sir ed— on the front of their camping, and sir ed davey's _ on the front of their camping, and sir ed davey's campaign _ on the front of their camping, and sir ed davey's campaign video - on the front of their camping, and . sir ed davey's campaign video where he talks— sir ed davey's campaign video where he talks about — sir ed davey's campaign video where he talks about his _ sir ed davey's campaign video where he talks about his son _ sir ed davey's campaign video where he talks about his son and _ sir ed davey's campaign video where he talks about his son and be - sir ed davey's campaign video where he talks about his son and be not. he talks about his son and be not care for— he talks about his son and be not care for him. _ he talks about his son and be not care for him, it _ he talks about his son and be not care for him, it went— he talks about his son and be not care for him, it went viral- he talks about his son and be not care for him, it went viral earlierl care for him, it went viral earlier this week. — care for him, it went viral earlier this week, which _ care for him, it went viral earlier this week, which was _ care for him, it went viral earlier this week, which was different i care for him, it went viral earlierj this week, which was different in tone _ this week, which was different in tone but— this week, which was different in tone but as — this week, which was different in tone but as citizens _ this week, which was different in tone but as citizens of— this week, which was different in tone but as citizens of here - this week, which was different in tone but as citizens of here is . this week, which was different in tone but as citizens of here is a i tone but as citizens of here is a leader— tone but as citizens of here is a leader with _ tone but as citizens of here is a leader with personality. - tone but as citizens of here is a leader with personality. we - tone but as citizens of here is a i leader with personality. we know what _ leader with personality. we know what he — leader with personality. we know what he stands _ leader with personality. we know what he stands for, _ leader with personality. we know what he stands for, and - leader with personality. we know what he stands for, and we - leader with personality. we know what he stands for, and we know| leader with personality. we know. what he stands for, and we know we have no— what he stands for, and we know we have no chance _ what he stands for, and we know we have no chance of _ what he stands for, and we know we have no chance of becoming - have no chance of becoming prime minister. _ have no chance of becoming prime minister. but— have no chance of becoming prime minister, but it— have no chance of becoming prime minister, but it is— have no chance of becoming prime minister, but it is refreshing - have no chance of becoming prime minister, but it is refreshing whenl minister, but it is refreshing when you have — minister, but it is refreshing when you have in — minister, but it is refreshing when you have in rishi _ minister, but it is refreshing when you have in rishi sunak— minister, but it is refreshing when you have in rishi sunak and - minister, but it is refreshing when you have in rishi sunak and keiri you have in rishi sunak and keir starmer. — you have in rishi sunak and keir starmer. two _ you have in rishi sunak and keir starmer, two people _ you have in rishi sunak and keir starmer, two people who - you have in rishi sunak and keir starmer, two people who are i starmer, two people who are desperately— starmer, two people who are desperately trying _ starmer, two people who are desperately trying to - starmer, two people who are desperately trying to avoid . starmer, two people who are - desperately trying to avoid showing any personality— desperately trying to avoid showing any personality if— desperately trying to avoid showing any personality if they _ desperately trying to avoid showing any personality if they have - desperately trying to avoid showing any personality if they have it, - desperately trying to avoid showing any personality if they have it, and | any personality if they have it, and also being — any personality if they have it, and also being very— any personality if they have it, and also being very big _ any personality if they have it, and also being very big on— any personality if they have it, and also being very big on what- any personality if they have it, and also being very big on what they i also being very big on what they stand _ also being very big on what they stand for. — also being very big on what they stand for. you _ also being very big on what they stand for, you have _ also being very big on what they stand for, you have a _ also being very big on what they stand for, you have a leader- stand for, you have a leader here who is— stand for, you have a leader here who is very— stand for, you have a leader here who is very clear— stand for, you have a leader here who is very clear on _ stand for, you have a leader here who is very clear on who - stand for, you have a leader here who is very clear on who he - stand for, you have a leader here who is very clear on who he is, l who is very clear on who he is, and two key— who is very clear on who he is, and two key policies. _ who is very clear on who he is, and two key policies, we _ who is very clear on who he is, and two key policies, we know- who is very clear on who he is, and two key policies, we know what - two key policies, we know what there — two key policies, we know what there he — two key policies, we know what there he is— two key policies, we know what there. he is really— two key policies, we know what there. he is really serious- two key policies, we know what| there. he is really serious plans two key policies, we know what i there. he is really serious plans to meet _ there. he is really serious plans to meet the — there. he is really serious plans to meet the water _ there. he is really serious plans to meet the water industry _ there. he is really serious plans to. meet the water industry accountable, and also _ meet the water industry accountable, and also for— meet the water industry accountable, and also for social— meet the water industry accountable, and also for social care, _ meet the water industry accountable, and also for social care, so _ meet the water industry accountable, and also for social care, so in - and also for social care, so in that respect _ and also for social care, so in that respect it's— and also for social care, so in that respect it's a _ and also for social care, so in that respect it's a great _ and also for social care, so in that respect it's a great success. - and also for social care, so in that respect it's a great success. 50, i respect it's a great success. so, john, respect it's a great success. so, john. there's — respect it's a great success. so, john. there's a _ respect it's a great success. john, there's a feeling of voter apathy in all of this given the chaos we have seen in downing street over recent years, i wonder whether

voters are engaged in up in this election to really care, or as touched upon, need just don't trust politicians. brute touched upon, need 'ust don't trust oliticians. ~ ~. . , politicians. we will find it on july four and see _ politicians. we will find it on july four and see what _ politicians. we will find it on july four and see what the _ politicians. we will find it on july four and see what the turnout i politicians. we will find it on july| four and see what the turnout is, politicians. we will find it on july i four and see what the turnout is, i would _ four and see what the turnout is, i would not — four and see what the turnout is, i would not expect a significantly hi-h would not expect a significantly high turnout in britain in particular. just going back to ed davey's — particular. just going back to ed davey's campaign, it is interesting, ithink— davey's campaign, it is interesting, i think i_ davey's campaign, it is interesting, i think i would be on a few manifesto lunches in the coming weeks. — manifesto lunches in the coming weeks, and i would like to see something a bit different from that that engages the media rather than the usual— that engages the media rather than the usual traits and staged press engagement they have. so, yes, is debatable — engagement they have. so, yes, is debatable whether it actually makes a difference to peoples voting habits. — a difference to peoples voting habits, but perhaps it makes the campaign — habits, but perhaps it makes the campaign it is limit more interesting.— campaign it is limit more interestinr. . ., ., ~' campaign it is limit more interestinr. , ., interesting. yes, we will look at some of those _ interesting. yes, we will look at some of those moments - interesting. yes, we will look at some of those moments in - interesting. yes, we will look at some of those moments in the. interesting. yes, we will look at - some of those moments in the next 30 minutes and also some new clips from that 0&a minutes and also some new clips from that q&a session with the leaders of the labour and conservative party. stay with us here on bbc.

hello. it's been another day of below average temperatures across most parts of the uk. with that, we've seen a fair amount of cloud, but also a fair amount of dry weather. this cool air mass, though, is set to be replaced by something that — on the face of it — looks a little bit warmer, a change in wind direction. but with that, we see this frontal system pushing in from the west. that will bring some heavy rain and some quite brisk winds. and i think by virtue of the cloud, the rain, the strong winds, it will still feel rather cool for many of us. but, actually, through tonight, it is going to be decidedly chilly where we keep these clear skies overhead. we'll see a few mist and fog patches here and there, cloud and rain then spreading into parts of northern ireland, perhaps the far west of wales, the west of cornwall, by the end of the night here, turning a little bit milder. but where we keep those clear skies, decidedly chilly to start thursday morning. some parts of scotland out in the countryside

starting their day around 2—3 celsius, but with some sunshine. however, this band of cloud and rain will be spreading in across western areas, becoming quite slow moving, actually. so the rain heavy and persistent across the southwest of england and wales, 20—30 millimetres of rain possible. and around some western coasts, gusts of wind of 50 miles per hour or more. quite unusual for this time of year. that rain spreading across the isle of man into north west england, affecting northern ireland, southwestern and central parts of scotland. eastern england holding onto some mostly dry conditions. northern scotland holding on to a little bit of sunshine. temperatures here actually a little bit higher than they have been. we could see highs of 17 degrees. now, through thursday night into friday, that band of rain will continue to drive its way and northwards lingering, i think across northern parts of scotland for the first part of friday morning and then to the south of that, well, it is a mix of sunny spells and showers. the showers quite plentiful, actually. there'll be lots of them. some will be heavy, some will be thundery. temperatures a little bit higher

than they have been, 13—19 degrees, but that's still a touch below the seasonal average. what about the weekend? well, low pressure will remain in charge of the scene. so that is going to bring showers or longer spells of rain. the showers on saturday will be quite widespread. some of them will be on the heavy side. by sunday, the showers perhaps focusing across the north of the uk, something a little bit drierfurther south, not quite as cool as it has been.

hello, i'm ben thompson. you're watching the context on bbc news. rishi sunak and sir keir starmer have both insisted they would not raise taxes for working people as they answered election questions in front of a live television audience. for the green party, its election manifesto includes pledges to invest tens of billions of pounds in public services and clean energy. funding would come from increased taxes on higher earners and the wealthy. the parties�* co—leaders said the greens represented "real change" and would "invest to mend broken britain". co—leader carla denyer spelled out the greens' priorities.