here's chris fawkes. that opening match looks a dry between scotland and germany over in munich. ourweather between scotland and germany over in munich. our weather can't be said the same. today we have seen cloud and outbreaks of rain and it has been cool. temperatures four or 5 degrees before average, average is 20 at this time of year but for northernmost areas of scotland, it was quite sunny. this area of low pressure that has been bringing cloud and rain and cold weather for most of the uk will continue northwards. it is a weather system that we will get bored of because it will be with us through friday, saturday, still even into monday. an unsettled weather pattern, stuck in a rut. 0vernight tonight we have rain clearing away from eastern england but a wet night for scotland, the heaviest rainfall in northern scotland, showers to western parts of the uk and longer

spells of rain in northern ireland. temperature is about ten to 12 degrees. tomorrow, for northern scotland we have persistent rain, some brisk winds and it will be a cool day, 12 or 13 degrees. away from that, probably a dry start but it won't stay that way. showers in the west moved eastwards. some heavy with hale and thunder and our temperatures continue to be below average for the time of year, average for the time of year, average is 17 to 2ajune. the weekend, more of the same. the same area of low pressure. a few changes, eastern scotland sees heavier rain, the wind is not as strong across northern scotland and sir keir starmer says labour's manifesto is a serious plan for government. is it ambitious enough for you?

and it has just finished, the latest seven—way election debate on itv where labour's angela rayner attacks on all sides on tax and migration. welcome to newsnight, live with insight and interviews. let me introduce you to our panel this evening. the political editor of the liverpool echo, liam thorp, and headteacher katherine birbalsingh, who is the former chair of the social mobility commision and who runs the highest achieving school in england according to government figures. welcome to you. later we'll talk live to labour's darrenjones about their manifesto out today. is it enough for you? first to nick who's in salford

where the second seven—way debate has just finished. nick, what are people saying in the spin room? well, i have seen three members of the shadow cabinet saying what you expect them to say, witches didn't angela rayner do a marvellousjob? i have not seen a single full member of the cabinet saying what a marvellous job penny mordaunt did. i have seen andrew mitchell the deputy foreign secretary saying that, but he is not a full member of the cabinet, and the other one speaking up cabinet, and the other one speaking up for penny mordaunt is david davis, the former cabinet minister. 0ne tory source said to me they think cabinet ministers have taken to the hills because they are so worried about the way the conservative election campaign is going. this debate tonight was a bit of a trot around the familiar. there were fiery exchanges, but quite of them looked tired i thought. the interesting moment was when the candidates were able to ask one

question to one of the candidates. interestingly, four turned on angela rayner. he got the impression that at least all the people in that hole have a pretty clear idea which way this election is going. three put questions to penny mordaunt. interestingly, nigel farage and his question to penny mordaunt said, why should i believe a word of what you say because of your broken promises on immigration? penny mordaunt said to him, well, you are a labour enabler and if you vote for nigel farage you get keir starmer. he said, oh, no, we havejust overtaken you in the polls, so if you vote conservative, you get labour. your -a is conservative, you get labour. your party is committed _ conservative, you get labour. your party is committed to _ conservative, you get labour. your party is committed to continuing with £18 — party is committed to continuing with £18 billion worth of public sectorm — with £18 billion worth of public sector... don't shake your head, this is_ sector... don't shake your head, this is hot— sector... don't shake your head, this is not my words, this is the rfs~ _ this is not my words, this is the rfs~ they— this is not my words, this is the rfs. they say the labour party and the conservative party are £18 billion — the conservative party are £18 billion worth of public sector cuts, how witi— billion worth of public sector cuts, how will that help public sector services? — how will that help public sector services? at how will that help public sector services? �* ., ., .,

services? at the moment we have had reall oor services? at the moment we have had really poor growth _ services? at the moment we have had really poor growth in _ services? at the moment we have had really poor growth in this _ services? at the moment we have had really poor growth in this country - really poor growth in this country and we will not be able to tax our way out of the disaster situation we are in. but what we are going to do is we are going to have a growth strategy with an industrial strategy and a school strategy which will enable us to grow the economy to pay for our public services. we can't tax our way out of this, we have got the highest tax burden... tax our way out of this, we have got the highest tax burden. . ._ the highest tax burden... every black hole _ the highest tax burden... every black hole of _ the highest tax burden... every black hole of 38.5 _ the highest tax burden... every black hole of 38.5 billion. - the highest tax burden... every black hole of 38.5 billion. you i the highest tax burden... every - black hole of 38.5 billion. you want to talk about _ black hole of 38.5 billion. you want to talk about black _ black hole of 38.5 billion. you want to talk about black holes. - black hole of 38.5 billion. you want to talk about black holes. labour'sl to talk about black holes. labour's manifesto was _ to talk about black holes. labour's manifesto was published - to talk about black holes. labour's manifesto was published today, i to talk about black holes. labour's i manifesto was published today, 38.5 bitiion— manifesto was published today, 38.5 billion is— manifesto was published today, 38.5 billion is the — manifesto was published today, 38.5 billion is the tax _ manifesto was published today, 38.5 billion is the tax gap _ manifesto was published today, 38.5 billion is the tax gap in— manifesto was published today, 38.5 billion is the tax gap in their- billion is the tax gap in their plans — billion is the tax gap in their plans. public— billion is the tax gap in their plans. public spending - billion is the tax gap in their plans. public spending is- billion is the tax gap in their. plans. public spending is going billion is the tax gap in their- plans. public spending is going to have to _ plans. public spending is going to have to go — plans. public spending is going to have to go up. _ plans. public spending is going to have to go up, that— plans. public spending is going to have to go up, that is the - have to go up, that is the demand. the only way— have to go up, that is the demand. the only way they— have to go up, that is the demand. the only way they are _ have to go up, that is the demand. the only way they are going - have to go up, that is the demand. the only way they are going to - have to go up, that is the demand. the only way they are going to be i the only way they are going to be able to— the only way they are going to be able to do— the only way they are going to be able to do that _ the only way they are going to be able to do that is _ the only way they are going to be able to do that is to _ the only way they are going to be able to do that is to raise - the only way they are going to be able to do that is to raise taxes. i able to do that is to raise taxes. nick, _ able to do that is to raise taxes. nick, you — able to do that is to raise taxes. nick, you mentioned _ able to do that is to raise taxes. nick, you mentioned one - able to do that is to raise taxes. nick, you mentioned one of- able to do that is to raise taxes. nick, you mentioned one of the| able to do that is to raise taxes. - nick, you mentioned one of the polls and what nigel farage had said, but there have been a number of polls out today, talk our audience through them. hello, nick, can you hear me?

no. 0h, them. hello, nick, can you hear me? no. oh, dear, that is a shame. apologies, we will sort out the technicals. goodness me, it was all going so well, thank you liam for sitting on the sofa. what did you think? it sitting on the sofa. what did you think? , , ., , ., , think? it seems to be all guns really turned _ think? it seems to be all guns really turned on _ think? it seems to be all guns really turned on angela - think? it seems to be all guns| really turned on angela rayner think? it seems to be all guns - really turned on angela rayner and that tells you everyone thinks she will be the next deputy prime minister and be at the heart of government. the conservatives have not been listened to, they are a bit of a relevance in this debate, so shouting from the sidelines about the tax figure they keep coming back with because they don't have anything else to say on terms of their record. angela rayner had a tough night at times and she was being attacked by the greens, the snp, the lib dems, who, with respect, have more licence to say everything they want to do, but it was typical of her to defend the child poverty issue. that is something labour will struggle with.

i don't think she will be to bother coming out of this debate looking like everyone else will have a go at her because that is what happens when you are in government. what her because that is what happens when you are in government. what do ou think? when you are in government. what do you think? i — when you are in government. what do you think? i was _ when you are in government. what do you think? i was fascinated _ when you are in government. what do you think? i was fascinated by - when you are in government. what do you think? i was fascinated by the - you think? i was fascinated by the oll that you think? i was fascinated by the poll that said _ you think? i was fascinated by the poll that said reform _ you think? i was fascinated by the poll that said reform uk - you think? i was fascinated by the poll that said reform uk had - poll that said reform uk had overtaken the conservatives which seem _ overtaken the conservatives which seem to _ overtaken the conservatives which seem to be an impossibility. nick was auoin seem to be an impossibility. nick was going to _ seem to be an impossibility. nick was going to tell— seem to be an impossibility. nick was going to tell us, _ seem to be an impossibility. id ta; was going to tell us, there are three polls out today and one says they are 1% ahead of the conservatives and another one says they are 1% behind. all the caveats, they are 1% behind. all the caveats, the only poll that counts, etc, etc. how do you respond to that? thea;t the only poll that counts, etc, etc. how do you respond to that? they are talkin: how do you respond to that? they are talking about — how do you respond to that? they are talking about that _ how do you respond to that? they are talking about that and _ how do you respond to that? they are talking about that and it _ how do you respond to that? they are talking about that and it is _ talking about that and it is extraordinary. and also nick said the cabinet members are running for hills~ _ the cabinet members are running for hills~ it _ the cabinet members are running for hills~ it is _ the cabinet members are running for hills~ it is an— the cabinet members are running for hills. it is an example of really poor— hills. it is an example of really poor leadership. in any organisation when _ poor leadership. in any organisation when the _ poor leadership. in any organisation when the leader at the top is somewhat hollow, everything else. art. somewhat hollow, everything else. art~ i_ somewhat hollow, everything else. art ifeel— somewhat hollow, everything else. art. ifeela bit somewhat hollow, everything else. art. i feel a bit sorry for the conservative mps because of what has happened _ conservative mps because of what has happened to them. are conservative mps because of what has happened to them.— happened to them. are you saying rishi sunak _

happened to them. are you saying rishi sunak is _ happened to them. are you saying rishi sunak is hollow? _ happened to them. are you saying rishi sunak is hollow? yes, - happened to them. are you saying rishi sunak is hollow? yes, i - happened to them. are you saying rishi sunak is hollow? yes, i am i rishi sunak is hollow? yes, i am sa in: rishi sunak is hollow? yes, i am saying that- _ rishi sunak is hollow? yes, i am saying that. why? _ rishi sunak is hollow? yes, i am saying that. why? he _ rishi sunak is hollow? yes, i am saying that. why? he doesn't . rishi sunak is hollow? yes, i am - saying that. why? he doesn't believe in an hina. saying that. why? he doesn't believe in anything- what— saying that. why? he doesn't believe in anything. what evidence _ saying that. why? he doesn't believe in anything. what evidence have - saying that. why? he doesn't believe in anything. what evidence have you | in anything. what evidence have you got? in anything. what evidence have you not? , ., , , in anything. what evidence have you not? , , . , got? the dj nonsense. why did he leave? why _ got? the dj nonsense. why did he leave? why doesn't _ got? the dj nonsense. why did he leave? why doesn't he _ got? the dj nonsense. why did he leave? why doesn't he believe - got? the dj nonsense. why did he leave? why doesn't he believe in i leave? why doesn't he believe in d-day? — leave? why doesn't he believe in d-day? i— leave? why doesn't he believe in d—day? i think some people think it is a in _ d—day? i think some people think it is a in this— d—day? i think some people think it is a in this country. he says so but his actions— is a in this country. he says so but his actions say otherwise. why is there _ his actions say otherwise. why is there nothing inside him? iwouldn't leave _ there nothing inside him? iwouldn't leave because i believe in d—day. even _ leave because i believe in d—day. even if— leave because i believe in d—day. even if i — leave because i believe in d—day. even if i didn't, i would be too embarrassed. i find very odd. with the lack of — embarrassed. i find very odd. with the lack of cabinet _ embarrassed. i find very odd. tn the lack of cabinet ministers, you can barely find a cabinet minister to go on the broadcast rounds to defend him. i don't want to be associated with what is going to be associated with what is going to be a cataclysmic result. whatever is left of the conservative party on july the 4th, and we know the machinations are already under way on who will lead the tories next, i

don't think they want to be associated with a historically bad defeat, that is why you are not seeing them on the broadcast rounds. they are done, they are defeated, it is over, they know that. this they are done, they are defeated, it is over, they know that.— is over, they know that. as you say, when it comes _ is over, they know that. as you say, when it comes to _ is over, they know that. as you say, when it comes to leadership - is over, they know that. as you say, when it comes to leadership and - is over, they know that. as you say, | when it comes to leadership and you are a team, whatever battle you are fighting, whether losing or otherwise, are you not supposed to stick it out until the fat lady sings? stick it out until the fat lady sins? . . stick it out until the fat lady sins? . , stick it out until the fat lady sins? , , , ., , sings? yes, but the book starts with the leader- — sings? yes, but the book starts with the leader- lt _ sings? yes, but the book starts with the leader. it is _ sings? yes, but the book starts with the leader. it is a _ sings? yes, but the book starts with the leader. it is a fascinating - sings? yes, but the book starts with the leader. it is a fascinating view. the leader. it is a fascinating view that we _ the leader. it is a fascinating view that we have now of what happens to an organisation when the leadership fails _ an organisation when the leadership fails it _ an organisation when the leadership fails. it would happen in any school. _ fails. it would happen in any school, any business. it isjust really— school, any business. it isjust really sad _ school, any business. it isjust really sad to see it happening to the conservative party.- really sad to see it happening to the conservative party. yes, it is a decimation- _ the conservative party. yes, it is a decimation. we _ the conservative party. yes, it is a decimation. we don't _ the conservative party. yes, it is a decimation. we don't know - the conservative party. yes, it is a decimation. we don't know what l the conservative party. yes, it is a l decimation. we don't know what the conservative party is going to look like afterjuly the 4th and it was interesting to see nigel farage today almost pitching himself as the potential opposition leader. he today almost pitching himself as the potential opposition leader.- potential opposition leader. he said on the radio — potential opposition leader. he said on the radio this _ potential opposition leader. he said on the radio this morning _ potential opposition leader. he said

on the radio this morning on - potential opposition leader. he said on the radio this morning on lbc. potential opposition leader. he said | on the radio this morning on lbc and he said he would be very happy to lead some kind of reformed, centre—right party. lead some kind of reformed, centre-right party.— lead some kind of reformed, centre-right party. there are conservatives _ centre-right party. there are conservatives who _ centre-right party. there are conservatives who agree - centre-right party. there are | conservatives who agree with centre-right party. there are - conservatives who agree with him. you saw tonight penny mordaunt found it very difficult to combat the nigel farage element. as katherine says, that polling that you have seen, which would have been mind—boggling a couple of years ago, is remarkable. he says much more about the tory party than the growth of reform uk. it shows that from both sides they are a toxic brand now and what happens next to the tory party would be absolutely fascinating. tory party would be absolutely fascinating-— tory party would be absolutely fascinatina. . , ., fascinating. interesting when you think it is said _ fascinating. interesting when you think it is said that _ fascinating. interesting when you think it is said that one _ fascinating. interesting when you think it is said that one of- fascinating. interesting when you think it is said that one of the - think it is said that one of the reasons rishi sunak called a snap election was so that reform uk could not get its ducks in a row and look at what it has done.— not get its ducks in a row and look at what it has done. look at what it has done in — at what it has done. look at what it has done in a _ at what it has done. look at what it has done in a short _ at what it has done. look at what it has done in a short period - at what it has done. look at what it has done in a short period of - at what it has done. look at what it has done in a short period of time. | what would labour do if they form the next government? they tried to answer that with their manifesto, which was out today. there were no surprises, which sir keir starmer said he was unapologetic about.

iam not i am not going to do what rishi sunak did, which was to offer things that are not unfunded. people have had too much of that, they are fed up had too much of that, they are fed up of that, this is a serious plan, carefully thought through, not pulling rabbits out of a hat, not pantomime, we have had that. i am running to be prime minister, not to running to be prime minister, not to run a circus. we'll talk live to darrenjones, their shadow chief secretary to the treasury, in a few minutes. first, ben is here. he does policy and analysis and economics. welcome back to newsnight. what do labour's tax and spending plans look like? this labour manifesto has one single title. _ this labour manifesto has one single title. which _ this labour manifesto has one single title. which was _ this labour manifesto has one single title, which was changeable - this labour manifesto has one single title, which was changeable —— - title, which was changeable —— change — title, which was changeable —— change but— title, which was changeable —— change but a _ title, which was changeable —— change. but a more _ title, which was changeable —— change. but a more fitting - title, which was changeable ——| change. but a more fitting title would — change. but a more fitting title would have _ change. but a more fitting title would have been— change. but a more fitting title would have been no— change. but a more fitting title would have been no change. i change. but a more fitting title - would have been no change. there is about— would have been no change. there is about e7 _ would have been no change. there is about £7 billion _ would have been no change. there is about £7 billion of— would have been no change. there is about £7 billion of extra _ would have been no change. there is about £7 billion of extra taxes. - about £7 billion of extra taxes. they— about £7 billion of extra taxes. they are — about £7 billion of extra taxes. they are taking _ about £7 billion of extra taxes. they are taking in _ about £7 billion of extra taxes. they are taking in a _ about £7 billion of extra taxes. they are taking in a similar- about £7 billion of extra taxes. - they are taking in a similar amount of extra _ they are taking in a similar amount of extra spending _ they are taking in a similar amount of extra spending but _ they are taking in a similar amount of extra spending but that - they are taking in a similar amount of extra spending but that is - they are taking in a similar amount of extra spending but that is pretty| of extra spending but that is pretty small— of extra spending but that is pretty small beer— of extra spending but that is pretty small beer in — of extra spending but that is pretty small beer in economic— of extra spending but that is pretty small beer in economic terms. - of extra spending but that is pretty small beer in economic terms. byi of extra spending but that is pretty. small beer in economic terms. by my calculations— small beer in economic terms. by my calculations it —

small beer in economic terms. by my calculations it adds _ small beer in economic terms. by my calculations it adds up _ small beer in economic terms. by my calculations it adds up to _ small beer in economic terms. by my calculations it adds up to 0.2% - small beer in economic terms. by my calculations it adds up to 0.2% of - calculations it adds up to 0.2% of gdp _ calculations it adds up to 0.2% of gdp i_ calculations it adds up to 0.2% of gdp ithink— calculations it adds up to 0.2% of gdp ithinkwe— calculations it adds up to 0.2% of gdp. i think we can— calculations it adds up to 0.2% of gdp. i think we can see - calculations it adds up to 0.2% of gdp. i think we can see a - calculations it adds up to 0.2% of gdp. i think we can see a chart. gdp. i think we can see a chart which — gdp. i think we can see a chart which really _ gdp. i think we can see a chart which really puts _ gdp. i think we can see a chart which really puts that - gdp. i think we can see a chart which really puts that in - which really puts that in perspective _ which really puts that in perspective in _ which really puts that in perspective in respect l which really puts that in| perspective in respect of which really puts that in - perspective in respect of the which really puts that in _ perspective in respect of the other political— perspective in respect of the other political parties. _ perspective in respect of the other political parties. there _ perspective in respect of the other political parties. there you - perspective in respect of the other political parties. there you have . political parties. there you have the conservative _ political parties. there you have the conservative with _ political parties. there you have the conservative with tax - political parties. there you have the conservative with tax cuts . the conservative with tax cuts amounting _ the conservative with tax cuts amounting to _ the conservative with tax cuts amounting to 0.6%_ the conservative with tax cuts amounting to 0.6% of- the conservative with tax cuts amounting to 0.6% of gdp. the conservative with tax cutsi amounting to 0.6% of gdp and the conservative with tax cuts - amounting to 0.6% of gdp and the lib dems— amounting to 0.6% of gdp and the lib demsfrom— amounting to 0.6% of gdp and the lib dems from spending _ amounting to 0.6% of gdp and the lib dems from spending rises. _ amounting to 0.6% of gdp and the lib dems from spending rises. labour- amounting to 0.6% of gdp and the lib dems from spending rises. labour is l dems from spending rises. labour is smaller— dems from spending rises. labour is smaller than — dems from spending rises. labour is smaller than that, _ dems from spending rises. labour is smaller than that, but _ dems from spending rises. labour is smaller than that, but what - dems from spending rises. labour is smaller than that, but what puts - smaller than that, but what puts this into — smaller than that, but what puts this into perspective _ smaller than that, but what puts this into perspective is _ smaller than that, but what puts this into perspective is if- smaller than that, but what puts this into perspective is if you - this into perspective is if you compare _ this into perspective is if you compare it _ this into perspective is if you compare it to— this into perspective is if you compare it to the _ this into perspective is if you compare it to the 2017 - this into perspective is if you compare it to the 2017 and l this into perspective is if you i compare it to the 2017 and 2019 labour— compare it to the 2017 and 2019 labour party— compare it to the 2017 and 2019 labour party manifesto - compare it to the 2017 and 2019 - labour party manifesto commitments. you can— labour party manifesto commitments. you can see _ labour party manifesto commitments. you can see much, _ labour party manifesto commitments. you can see much, much _ labour party manifesto commitments. you can see much, much higher. - labour party manifesto commitments. | you can see much, much higher. those were jeremy— you can see much, much higher. those were jeremy corbyn's _ you can see much, much higher. those were jeremy corbyn's plans. _ you can see much, much higher. those were jeremy corbyn's plans. in - were jeremy corbyn's plans. in fairness. — were jeremy corbyn's plans. in fairness, labour— were jeremy corbyn's plans. in fairness, labour does - were jeremy corbyn's plans. in fairness, labour does have - were jeremy corbyn's plans. in fairness, labour does have a l were jeremy corbyn's plans. in i fairness, labour does have a plan to were jeremy corbyn's plans. in fairness, labour does have a plan to spend were jeremy corbyn's plans. in fairness, labour does have a plan to spend more were jeremy corbyn's plans. in fairness, labour does have a plan to spend more on were jeremy corbyn's plans. in fairness, labour does have a plan to spend more on capital were jeremy corbyn's plans. in fairness, labour does have a plan to spend more on capital spendin-, were jeremy corbyn's plans. in fairness, labour does have a plan to spend more on capital spendin-, a spend more on capital spending, a bit more _ spend more on capital spending, a bit more investment. _ spend more on capital spending, a bit more investment. that- spend more on capital spending, a bit more investment. that shouldl bit more investment. that should help with — bit more investment. that should help with the _ bit more investment. that should help with the industrial _ bit more investment. that should help with the industrial strategy i bit more investment. that shouldi help with the industrial strategy as well. but— help with the industrial strategy as well. but really— help with the industrial strategy as well. but really there _ help with the industrial strategy as well. but really there is _ help with the industrial strategy as well. but really there is nothing i help with the industrial strategy as well. but really there is nothing in| well. but really there is nothing in this manifesto— well. but really there is nothing in this manifesto that _ well. but really there is nothing in this manifesto that people - well. but really there is nothing in this manifesto that people are i this manifesto that people are seeing — this manifesto that people are seeing which _ this manifesto that people are seeing which will— this manifesto that people are seeing which will really - this manifesto that people are seeing which will really movei this manifesto that people are i seeing which will really move the dial on _ seeing which will really move the dial on growth. _ seeing which will really move the dial on growth. growth— seeing which will really move the dial on growth. growth matters. dial on growth. growth matters because — dial on growth. growth matters because the _ dial on growth. growth matters because the manner— dial on growth. growth matters because the manner —— - dial on growth. growth matters. because the manner —— manifesto pledges _ because the manner —— manifesto pledges the — because the manner —— manifesto pledges the fastest _ because the manner —— manifesto pledges the fastest growth - because the manner —— manifesto pledges the fastest growth in i because the manner —— manifesto pledges the fastest growth in the i pledges the fastest growth in the g7. pledges the fastest growth in the 67. there — pledges the fastest growth in the 67. there is _ pledges the fastest growth in the 67. there is a _ pledges the fastest growth in the g7. there is a lot— pledges the fastest growth in the g7. there is a lot of— pledges the fastest growth in the g7. there is a lot of scepticism i g7. there is a lot of scepticism among — g7. there is a lot of scepticism among economists _ g7. there is a lot of scepticism among economists that - g7. there is a lot of scepticism among economists that this i g7. there is a lot of scepticism - among economists that this manifesto itself will— among economists that this manifesto itself will deliver— among economists that this manifesto itself will deliver that. _

among economists that this manifesto itself will deliver that. itihaii _ among economists that this manifesto itself will deliver that.— itself will deliver that. what can ou tell itself will deliver that. what can you tell us _ itself will deliver that. what can you tell us about _ itself will deliver that. what can you tell us about what - itself will deliver that. what can you tell us about what it - itself will deliver that. what can you tell us about what it says i itself will deliver that. what can i you tell us about what it says about child poverty? it is you tell us about what it says about child poverty?— child poverty? it is in there and it sa s it is child poverty? it is in there and it says it is a _ child poverty? it is in there and it says it is a problem _ child poverty? it is in there and it says it is a problem and - child poverty? it is in there and it says it is a problem and it - child poverty? it is in there and it says it is a problem and it has i child poverty? it is in there and it says it is a problem and it has a l says it is a problem and it has a strategy. — says it is a problem and it has a strategy. but _ says it is a problem and it has a strategy. but it— says it is a problem and it has a strategy, but it is— says it is a problem and it has a strategy, but it is pretty- says it is a problem and it has a strategy, but it is pretty thin. says it is a problem and it has a strategy, but it is pretty thin in| strategy, but it is pretty thin in terms — strategy, but it is pretty thin in terms of— strategy, but it is pretty thin in terms of flashing _ strategy, but it is pretty thin in terms of flashing at _ strategy, but it is pretty thin in terms of flashing at that - strategy, but it is pretty thin in. terms of flashing at that strategy. it is terms of flashing at that strategy. it is silent — terms of flashing at that strategy. it is silent on _ terms of flashing at that strategy. it is silent on the _ terms of flashing at that strategy. it is silent on the key— terms of flashing at that strategy. it is silent on the key question i terms of flashing at that strategy. it is silent on the key question ofi it is silent on the key question of the two — it is silent on the key question of the two child _ it is silent on the key question of the two child limit _ it is silent on the key question of the two child limit on— it is silent on the key question of the two child limit on people i the two child limit on people claiming _ the two child limit on people claiming benefits. _ the two child limit on people claiming benefits. an - the two child limit on people - claiming benefits. an extraordinary statistic— claiming benefits. an extraordinary statistic from — claiming benefits. an extraordinary statistic from the _ claiming benefits. an extraordinary statistic from the resolution - statistic from the resolution foundation. _ statistic from the resolution foundation, which— statistic from the resolution foundation, which is- statistic from the resolution foundation, which is the i statistic from the resolution i foundation, which is the estimate that large — foundation, which is the estimate that large families _ foundation, which is the estimate that large families of _ foundation, which is the estimate that large families of three - foundation, which is the estimate that large families of three or- foundation, which is the estimate i that large families of three or more children. _ that large families of three or more children. by— that large families of three or more children, by the _ that large families of three or more children, by the end _ that large families of three or more children, by the end of— that large families of three or more children, by the end of this - that large families of three or more children, by the end of this decadel children, by the end of this decade on current— children, by the end of this decade on current trends, _ children, by the end of this decade on current trends, a _ children, by the end of this decade on current trends, a majority- children, by the end of this decade on current trends, a majority of. on current trends, a majority of those. — on current trends, a majority of those. more _ on current trends, a majority of those, more than _ on current trends, a majority of those, more than 50%, - on current trends, a majority of those, more than 50%, would i on current trends, a majority of. those, more than 50%, would be on current trends, a majority of- those, more than 50%, would be in relative _ those, more than 50%, would be in relative poverty. _ those, more than 50%, would be in relative poverty. again _ those, more than 50%, would be in relative poverty. again a _ those, more than 50%, would be in relative poverty. again a lot- those, more than 50%, would be in relative poverty. again a lot of- relative poverty. again a lot of scepticism _ relative poverty. again a lot of scepticism that _ relative poverty. again a lot of scepticism that there - relative poverty. again a lot of scepticism that there is - relative poverty. again a lot of. scepticism that there is anything relative poverty. again a lot of- scepticism that there is anything in this manifesto— scepticism that there is anything in this manifesto that _ scepticism that there is anything in this manifesto that will _ scepticism that there is anything in this manifesto that will change i scepticism that there is anything in| this manifesto that will change that trajectory. — this manifesto that will change that tra'ecto . . ~' , ., this manifesto that will change that tra'ecto . ., ,, , ., , . trajectory. thank you very much, ben. let's speak to darren jones. hello, mrjones. hello, good evening- _ hello, mrjones. hello, good evening- l — hello, mrjones. hello, good evening. i am _ hello, mrjones. hello, good evening. i am so _ hello, mrjones. hello, good evening. i am so glad - hello, mrjones. hello, good evening. i am so glad that i hello, mrjones. hello, good. evening. i am so glad that you hello, mrjones. hello, good i evening. i am so glad that you can hear me. evening. i am so glad that you can hear me- you _ evening. i am so glad that you can hear me. you say _ evening. i am so glad that you can hear me. you say that _ evening. i am so glad that you can hear me. you say that britain i evening. i am so glad that you can hear me. you say that britain is i hear me. you say that britain is broken and that you have the answers

if people vote for you. as ben has pointed out and as pauljohnson from the institute for fiscal studies said today, the numbers in your costings are extraordinarily small. are you sure you're manifesto meets the moment?— the moment? yes, because this is a manifesto for _ the moment? yes, because this is a manifesto for change _ the moment? yes, because this is a manifesto for change that _ the moment? yes, because this is a manifesto for change that we i the moment? yes, because this is a manifesto for change that we in i the moment? yes, because this is a manifesto for change that we in the | manifesto for change that we in the labour party are ready to deliver. people vote for the change onjuly the 4th, as we had from angela rayner this evening, but also keir starmer at the launch of the manifesto today, all of our policies are fully funded and costed. but we are fully funded and costed. but we are inheriting a complete car crash from the conservatives after 11l years of failure. the economy is in the worst position it will be for any incoming government since the second world war and we have to reflect that reality as we take our first six steps to inject capital into our front line public services and do the hard yards and getting growth back into the economy and thatis growth back into the economy and that is what our manifesto is today, a plan for growth. bud

that is what our manifesto is today, a plan for growth-— a plan for growth. and also the tax take and do _ a plan for growth. and also the tax take and do you — a plan for growth. and also the tax take and do you if _ a plan for growth. and also the tax take and do you if you _ a plan for growth. and also the tax take and do you if you went - a plan for growth. and also the tax take and do you if you went will i a plan for growth. and also the tax take and do you if you went will be j take and do you if you went will be the highest it has ever been. are you comfortable with that? itrefoil. the highest it has ever been. are you comfortable with that? well, we know the tax — you comfortable with that? well, we know the tax burden _ you comfortable with that? well, we know the tax burden is _ you comfortable with that? well, we know the tax burden is the _ you comfortable with that? well, we know the tax burden is the highest l know the tax burden is the highest it has been for 70 years under the conservatives. bud it has been for 70 years under the conservatives.— conservatives. and it would be hi . her conservatives. and it would be higher under— conservatives. and it would be higher under you _ conservatives. and it would be higher under you if _ conservatives. and it would be higher under you if you - conservatives. and it would be higher under you if you win. i conservatives. and it would be i higher under you if you win. you are riaht to higher under you if you win. you are right to point _ higher under you if you win. you are right to point to _ higher under you if you win. you are right to point to the _ higher under you if you win. you are right to point to the fact _ higher under you if you win. you are right to point to the fact that - higher under you if you win. you are right to point to the fact that the i right to point to the fact that the tax threshold that we inherit, we want that the tax burden to come down on working people, but we have to do that in a fully funded, sustainable way, otherwise you end “p sustainable way, otherwise you end up in a position as we did with liz truss and we will do with the conservatives if they win the election, where your unfunded promises lead to market chaos and an impact on family finances. if you take the conservative manifesto, we know there is a direct link to interest rates, we know that because people are experiencing it as a consequence of liz truss, and we are not willing to make that risk with family finances at this election. you are comfortable with it being

the highest tax take ever if you getting? the highest tax take ever if you ttettin ? ., ., 4' ., getting? look, we inherit the world as we find it — getting? look, we inherit the world as we find it and _ getting? look, we inherit the world as we find it and we _ getting? look, we inherit the world as we find it and we want _ getting? look, we inherit the world as we find it and we want the i getting? look, we inherit the world as we find it and we want the tax i as we find it and we want the tax burden to come down and we are making that commitment not to have headline rates of national insurance or vat, headline rates of national insurance orvat, but headline rates of national insurance or vat, but the tax burden as a fraction of the size of the economy, and because the economy has shrunk, the tax burden is higher and that is why our plan for growth is so important because we want success backin important because we want success back in the economy with an economy thatis back in the economy with an economy that is safe, but also better family finances across the country. 30% of all children, 30% of all children in the uk are in poverty. and you quote those figures in your manifesto. but then there is no plan. what is the point of a labour manifesto without a plan to combat child poverty?— child poverty? look, child poverty is a tragedy _

child poverty? look, child poverty is a tragedy for — child poverty? look, child poverty is a tragedy for the _ child poverty? look, child poverty is a tragedy for the country, i child poverty? look, child poverty is a tragedy for the country, but l is a tragedy for the country, but also for every child and every family affected. and i know how difficult that is having grown—up in those circumstances. you difficult that is having grown-up in those circumstances.— difficult that is having grown-up in those circumstances. you would think there would — those circumstances. you would think there would be _ those circumstances. you would think there would be a _ those circumstances. you would think there would be a plan _ those circumstances. you would think there would be a plan manifesto. i there would be a plan manifesto. that's why we have set out in our manifesto today a number of initial measures which have a direct impact on family finances. free breakfast club at school, enhanced childcare for parents who want to get to work, the banning of section 21 no—fault evictions forfamilies the banning of section 21 no—fault evictions for families kicked the banning of section 21 no—fault evictions forfamilies kicked out the banning of section 21 no—fault evictions for families kicked out a private rental accommodation which often spirals families into poverty situations. and a commitment to bring together government to bring together a child poverty strategy for it to meet the needs of families across the country. cali for it to meet the needs of families across the country.— across the country. can you pause there? so — across the country. can you pause there? so a — across the country. can you pause there? so a commitment, - across the country. can you pause there? so a commitment, right? i across the country. can you pause i there? so a commitment, right? you are going to make these kids in poverty wait for your economic growth, which may not come? trio. poverty wait for your economic growth, which may not come? no, the free breakfast — growth, which may not come? no, the free breakfast clubs, _ growth, which may not come? no, the free breakfast clubs, the _ growth, which may not come? no, the

free breakfast clubs, the ban - growth, which may not come? no, the free breakfast clubs, the ban on i free breakfast clubs, the ban on section 21 evictions, the measures announced in ourfirst section 21 evictions, the measures announced in our first six steps will be immediately implemented if labour wins the election injuly 4th, labour wins the election injuly llth, they are fully funded and costed in the way set out in our manifesto today. we recognise they offer steps, we call them that, we want to do with the structure issues this country is facing so people can feel the benefit of change from labour if we win onjuly llth. halal labour if we win on july 4th. how many children — labour if we win on july 4th. how many children will— labour if we win on july 4th. how many children will free _ labour if we win on july 4th. how many children will free breakfast clubs left out of poverty?- many children will free breakfast clubs left out of poverty? well, we know for example _ clubs left out of poverty? well, we know for example that _ clubs left out of poverty? well, we know for example that many i clubs left out of poverty? well, we i know for example that many children are coming to school hungry. that is unacceptable for them and also for their education. 50 that's why we will make sure the free breakfast clubs are available in every primary school across the country for children that want to access them. how many will it left out of child poverty? how many will it left out of child ove ? , . ,, , poverty? the breakfast clubs will be available to all— poverty? the breakfast clubs will be available to all children _ poverty? the breakfast clubs will be available to all children who - poverty? the breakfast clubs will be available to all children who go - poverty? the breakfast clubs will be available to all children who go to i available to all children who go to school, so they can access them if they wish to do so. find school, so they can access them if they wish to do so.— they wish to do so. and how many will it left out —

they wish to do so. and how many will it left out of _ they wish to do so. and how many will it left out of child poverty? . will it left out of child poverty? well, it depends on how you look at family finances. there is a package of measures in the manifesto today that will support families, especially those in vulnerable work with our new deal for working people. with our new deal for working peole. ., ., �* with our new deal for working peole. ., ~ ., ., with our new deal for working peole. ., ., �* ~ ., ., with our new deal for working peole. ., ., �* ~' ., ., ., people. you don't know, do you? you don't know — people. you don't know, do you? you don't know let _ people. you don't know, do you? you don't know. let me _ people. you don't know, do you? you don't know. let me tell _ people. you don't know, do you? you don't know. let me tell you _ people. you don't know, do you? you don't know. let me tell you what - people. you don't know, do you? you don't know. let me tell you what the | don't know. let me tell you what the resolution foundation said, sorry. the resolution foundation, which used to be run by one of your own labour candidates, children in families of three or more children now make a majority of the total number of children in poverty. they say abolishing the two child benefit limit would take 490,000 children out of poverty. that is an 11% reduction in child poverty overnight. you even have suella braverman calling for the cap to be abolished. and nigel farage, it would seem, on the itv debate tonight. yet you, labour, won't promise to do that.—

tonight. yet you, labour, won't promise to do that. that is because the difference _ promise to do that. that is because the difference between _ promise to do that. that is because the difference between the - the difference between the conservatives and reform and labour, our policies are fully funded and fully costed, that has to be what people expect from any party trying to form the government at this election. would i like the economy to be in a better position? of course. would i like a labour government coming to a country with plenty of tax revenues to spend on all the things we would like to do in labour? 0f all the things we would like to do in labour? of course i would. the fact is we will inherit the worst financial situation any party has inherited since the second world war, we have to do the hard yards to turn that around and we'd have got those six steps we want to get started with immediately, but it will take time to turn the country around. ithink will take time to turn the country around. i think people at home recognise we cannotjust click our finger and change that immediately on day one. our plan for change today in our manifesto sets out how we will do that. i’m today in our manifesto sets out how we will do that.— we will do that. i'm sure voters do reco . nise we will do that. i'm sure voters do recognise that _ we will do that. i'm sure voters do recognise that and _ we will do that. i'm sure voters do recognise that and they _ we will do that. i'm sure voters do recognise that and they may - we will do that. i'm sure voters do recognise that and they may also l recognise that and they may also recognise that and they may also recognise you are making a choice. you could fully fund and fully cost lifting the two child benefit cap and you are making a choice not to

do that. ., �* , , �* do that. that's right, isn't it? well, do that. that's right, isn't it? well. these _ do that. that's right, isn't it? well, these are _ do that. that's right, isn't it? well, these are trade-offs. i do that. that's right, isn't it? i well, these are trade-offs. we do that. that's right, isn't it? - well, these are trade-offs. we made well, these are trade—offs. we made the commitment not to increase taxes because the tax burden is already too high in people as a consequence of the conservative record in government. that means there is not additional revenue to pay for some of our additional priorities. these are the trade—offs any party has to make if they want to be in government. what you do know you will have from a labour government because it is on the pages of our manifesto today, we have a credible plan for change with growth and wealth creation anchored in it that means that with time, we will be able to bring money to working families across the country in the way we have talked about this evening. you either get to vote for that change onjuly 4th offer more chaos from the conservatives which has had a direct impact on family finances and well—being to such a detrimental level over these last few years. that's why change is important at this election, even if it will be difficult to rebuild britain after 14 years of failure from the tories. britain after14 years of failure from the tories.— britain after 14 years of failure from the tories. thank you for talkin: from the tories. thank you for talking to _ from the tories. thank you for talking to our _ from the tories. thank you for talking to our audience - from the tories. thank you for talking to our audience and . from the tories. thank you for - talking to our audience and coping

with the delays on the line, we appreciate it, thank you. liam thorp katharine birbalsingh. you our political editor of the liverpool echo. —— and katharine birbalsingh. you talk to people across merseyside all the time. what will they think of this manifesto and will it be enough? of this manifesto and will it be enou~h? ., ., �* ~' of this manifesto and will it be enou~h? ., ., �* ~ , enough? no, i don't think it will be enou:h enough? no, i don't think it will be enough for — enough? no, i don't think it will be enough for the _ enough? no, i don't think it will be enough for the people _ enough? no, i don't think it will be enough for the people of— enough? no, i don't think it will be i enough for the people of merseyside. i think it will be enough to get labour elected, we'll know that, it is what happens next that people will be concerned about. i am pleased you pushed so hard on the child poverty issue. in parts of merseyside, more than two in three kids are living in poverty right now. more than two and three? in the worst parts. i was speaking to a doctor at alder hay the other day who is also a professor of public health and he says a government can decide what level of child poverty at once, it is that simple. you click your fingers overnight and scrap the two child benefit —— limit and take half a million kids out poverty and that will be such a frustration to people, a labour government coming in and not choosing to do that. i understand

the caution and wanting to be seen as fiscally responsible. but it is a choice, of course it is a choice. darrenjones choice, of course it is a choice. darren jones says choice, of course it is a choice. darrenjones says it is a trade—off, what could be more of a trade—off and a priority than getting kids out of poverty? it is the long—term effects that has on their health and their lives, their brain development, all of that stuff. when children cannot eat, they don't develop in the way they should and opportunities in life forever held back because of that. what opportunities in life forever held back because of that.— opportunities in life forever held back because of that. what is your exoerience? _ back because of that. what is your experience? you _ back because of that. what is your experience? you deal— back because of that. what is your experience? you deal with - back because of that. what is your| experience? you deal with primary and secondary school children. ihla. experience? you deal with primary and secondary school children. ha. i and secondary school children. no, i auree and secondary school children. no, i aaree with and secondary school children. no, i agree with liam. _ and secondary school children. no, i agree with liam. what _ and secondary school children. no, i agree with liam. what i _ and secondary school children. no, i agree with liam. what i find - and secondary school children. no, i agree with liam. what i find odd about— agree with liam. what i find odd about the — agree with liam. what i find odd about the idea of free breakfast clubs _ about the idea of free breakfast clubs is— about the idea of free breakfast clubs is that free breakfast for everyone _ clubs is that free breakfast for everyone i don't really understand. i understand free breakfast for a free school meals child, but why spend _ free school meals child, but why spend the — free school meals child, but why spend the money giving wealthy shield _ spend the money giving wealthy shield free breakfast when of course, — shield free breakfast when of course, they most certainly don't need _ course, they most certainly don't need it? — course, they most certainly don't need it? -- — course, they most certainly don't need it? —— wealthy child. i don't really— need it? —— wealthy child. i don't really understand the thinking. the arr ument really understand the thinking. argument is really understand the thinking. tue: argument is often really understand the thinking. tte:

argument is often it really understand the thinking. "tt2 argument is often it is really understand the thinking. tt2 argument is often it is more expensive or more difficult if you start to means test, where as if it is universal, you know those most in need will get it along with the wealthy ones.— need will get it along with the wealthy ones. need will get it along with the wealth ones. ~ , ., , ., wealthy ones. why would it be more exoensive? — wealthy ones. why would it be more exoensive? we _ wealthy ones. why would it be more expensive? we already _ wealthy ones. why would it be more expensive? we already know - wealthy ones. why would it be more expensive? we already know who i wealthy ones. why would it be more | expensive? we already know who the free school_ expensive? we already know who the free school meal children are because _ free school meal children are because they get breakfast and then you charge the ones coming injust as is_ you charge the ones coming injust as is the _ you charge the ones coming injust as is the case with breakfast. i don't — as is the case with breakfast. i don't really understand it. i worry a hit _ don't really understand it. i worry a bit about— don't really understand it. i worry a bit about what labour are saying sometimes. perhaps with that, it has not necessarily been thought through. not necessarily been thought throu~h. . , not necessarily been thought throu~h. ., , , not necessarily been thought throu~h. .,, , ., through. has there been enough attention on _ through. has there been enough attention on education _ through. has there been enough attention on education in - through. has there been enough attention on education in this . attention on education in this election campaign for you so far? no, not at all. i never know if it is the _ no, not at all. i never know if it is the fault _ no, not at all. i never know if it is the fault of politicians or the uuhtio — is the fault of politicians or the public. what i mean is people always say education is not a vote winner and i_ say education is not a vote winner and i don't — say education is not a vote winner and i don't understand why. it was for ton)! blair— and i don't understand why. it was for tony blair in _ and i don't understand why. it was for tony blair in 1997. _ and i don't understand why. it was for tony blair in 1997. yes, - for tony blair in 1997. yes, perhaps. — for tony blair in 1997. yes, perhaps. he _ for tony blair in 1997. yes, perhaps, he certainly - for tony blair in 1997. yes, perhaps, he certainly did i for tony blair in 1997. yes, i perhaps, he certainly did talk for tony blair in 1997. yes, perhaps, he certainly did talk about it. i perhaps, he certainly did talk about it i don't _ perhaps, he certainly did talk about it. i don't understand, children are the future — it. i don't understand, children are the future of any country, they are the future of any country, they are the most _ the future of any country, they are the most important, they should be

the most important, they should be the most _ the most important, they should be the most important, they should be the most important people in our families, — the most important people in our families, they should be the most important — families, they should be the most important people to our politicians and therefore, schools are everything. because schools enable social— everything. because schools enable social mobility, they bring children together~ — social mobility, they bring children together. it enables multiculturalism to succeed, it enables— multiculturalism to succeed, it enables a _ multiculturalism to succeed, it enables a country to come together under— enables a country to come together under one _ enables a country to come together under one umbrella with a curriculum, teaching your children, forming _ curriculum, teaching your children, forming your children into kind, decent — forming your children into kind, decent people, who can be part of the future — decent people, who can be part of the future workforce and succeed. i don't _ the future workforce and succeed. i don't understand why we don't talk more _ don't understand why we don't talk more about education. 0ne don't understand why we don't talk more about education. one of my worries— more about education. one of my worries about labour again is that the big _ worries about labour again is that the big think they are talking about is vat— the big think they are talking about is vat on _ the big think they are talking about is vat on private schools. and while ithink— is vat on private schools. and while i think there — is vat on private schools. and while i think there is an intellectual argument about whether or not they should _ argument about whether or not they should have that advantage with the vat, should have that advantage with the vat. it _ should have that advantage with the vat. it is— should have that advantage with the vat, it is going to bring in 1.6 billion— vat, it is going to bring in 1.6 billion on— vat, it is going to bring in 1.6 billion on the 116 billion that we

spend _ billion on the 116 billion that we spend on— billion on the 116 billion that we spend on education. it is tiny. it is a drop— spend on education. it is tiny. it is a drop in— spend on education. it is tiny. it is a drop in the ocean. again, like with— is a drop in the ocean. again, like with the _ is a drop in the ocean. again, like with the free breakfast clubs, i am thinking, _ with the free breakfast clubs, i am thinking, what on earth is going on? econonric— thinking, what on earth is going on? economic growth is what keir starmer really focused on today. he says it will come, he keeps saying to journalists, i think we can do it really quickly and i can pull the levers of planning reform on day one. how long has he got to get growth to fund schools, hospitals, etc? he growth to fund schools, hospitals, etc? . , growth to fund schools, hospitals, etc? ., , ., ., ., . growth to fund schools, hospitals, etc? ., ., ., . ~ ., etc? he has no time at all. we know what is coming _ etc? he has no time at all. we know what is coming down _ etc? he has no time at all. we know what is coming down the _ etc? he has no time at all. we know what is coming down the track - what is coming down the track in terms of what is baked into the economy as it stands in terms of more severe cuts to unprotected departments. i spend a lot of my time covering local government, it is in the biggest crisis you have ever seen, councils are going bust all the time, councils are just about hanging on, they are a shell of theirformer selves. about hanging on, they are a shell of their former selves. local governing cannot take any more cuts, the justice system cannot, governing cannot take any more cuts, thejustice system cannot, it governing cannot take any more cuts, the justice system cannot, it is governing cannot take any more cuts, thejustice system cannot, it is in a complete mess. if this growth that keeps getting spoken about and we hope that labour will do that, if it doesn't materialise, what is the next option? they have ruled out tax

rises, so it is spending cuts. well, some tax rises. they have been cagey about others. from my position, keir starmer was clear today and said, no austerity. we have seen what austerity. we have seen what austerity has gone to liverpool, it has been devastating, it cannot happen again, so we need to know what the plan b is. this happen again, so we need to know what the plan b is.— what the plan b is. as political editor of the _ what the plan b is. as political editor of the liverpool - what the plan b is. as political editor of the liverpool echo, l what the plan b is. as political. editor of the liverpool echo, can i ask about the hills below which labour have promised in their manifesto? forthose labour have promised in their manifesto? for those who want to learn more, what does it mean? it is essentiall learn more, what does it mean? te 3 essentially trying to level the playing fields so what the hillsborough families went through for three decades doesn't happen to otherfamilies —— the hillsborough law. when there is a massive injustice and tragedy, it is remarkable we need this, but one of the main laws as public officials should tell the truth. you might look at me and say, do we need to make that legally mandated? we do because we have seen from the hillsborough disaster the lies and obfuscation and the smears put upon those families, the post office inquiry, infected blood. in all

these cases, there is a running theme. grenfell. the nuclear test veterans. the establishment closes ranks and punches down on ordinary people who are just unlucky enough to be caught up in such a terrible tragedy. to be caught up in such a terrible traced . ., ., ~' to be caught up in such a terrible traced. ., ., ~ , , . tragedy. you work in the public sector, would _ tragedy. you work in the public sector, would you _ tragedy. you work in the public sector, would you back- tragedy. you work in the public sector, would you back this - tragedy. you work in the public. sector, would you back this law? yes, i agree with what you are saying — yes, i agree with what you are saying. ordinary people need the support— saying. ordinary people need the support of their government and the laws need _ support of their government and the laws need to help them. and support of their government and the laws need to help them.— support of their government and the laws need to help them. and this is, we are obviously _ laws need to help them. and this is, we are obviously very _ laws need to help them. and this is, we are obviously very pleased - laws need to help them. and this is, we are obviously very pleased keiri we are obviously very pleased keir starmer is committed to this. the catlike echo have pushed him on this time and time again and it is in the manifesto, they should go big on this. if keir starmer says he is in service of working people and is on your side, this changes the dynamic in the country. the establishment is no longer all—powerful, people have a fighting chance and we don't see the same injustices we have seen shamefully throughout the history of this country. shamefully throughout the history of this count . . ~ shamefully throughout the history of this count . ., ,, , ., shamefully throughout the history of this country-— this country. thank you for the moment- _ plaid cymru also launched their manifesto today. let's hear from them, and some of the other parties, in that seven—way debate on itv tonight.

and i don't know if the lib dems agree with tuition fees or not. they've got quite a record in that regard. laughter i'm sure you can elaborate upon it for all of us. on the question of tuition fees, we were punished for that. that's democracy. i get that, but... do you still believe in free tuition, though? as i say, on the point of tuition fees, we were punished for that, right? and what we would do... well, what's your position now? what's your policy now? in 2015, when we were out of coalition, the thing that the conservatives did on their own is they removed maintenance grants — the grants that were there for the poorest students, to give them a shot at going to university — and we have said that we would put those back in place. but when it comes to education, we will not take lessons... so you still... so you still believe in tuition fees? ..from the snp... you still believe that people should have tens of thousands of pounds of debt? ok. ..because under your watch, schools have fallen down the international rankings rapidly. mass migration is making us poorer. you'll hear, "0h, gdp's going up". well, of course it is, i there are more people. gdp per capita, our relative wealth, has declined - for the last six consecutive quarters and these are... i i hear nigel talking a lot about... ..facts. i hear nigel farage...

facts! ..talking about dependence. facts! the problem that we have in higher education now. is that changes in visa requirements means that family members aren't able to come and study, to accompany students to welsh universities. good! — that is causing major problems... ..in terms of revenue for our higher education... you shouldn't bring your mum. if you come to university in britain, you can't- bring your mum, can you? i mean, come on! laughter the rich are getting richer, but the poor are getting poorer. we think it's time to bring fairness back into our economy, by asking the billionaires and the multimillionaires to pay a bit more and introducing a £15 minimum wage. that was a little earlier. this is tomorrow's front pages. the daily telegraph. reform overtakes the tories for the first time. the daily mail. what is labour not telling us about tax hikes? the times, conspiracy of silence on cuts and higher taxes. that is certainly what the institute for fiscal studies is suggesting about the two main parties. the mirror. we will give the nation hope, a pledge to boost

the nation hope, a pledge to boost the economy and build a brighter future