hundreds of thousands of fans descend on munich for euro 2024 — the four—week festival of football kicks off tonight with germany versus scotland. with less than three weeks to go until the general election, the parties trade blows over immigration and taxes in the latest tv debate. sewage may have been illegally discharged 6,000 times by english water companies in one year, a bbc investigation finds. and seeing double — an asian elephant in central thailand gives birth to a rare set of twins — taking everyone by surprise hello, i'm annita mcveigh. all wall. hello, i'm annita mcveigh. welcome to the programme, we're beginning this

morning with football. everyone might want a break from politics! and the countdown is on to kick—off of the first match at the euro 2024 football championships this evening, when hosts germany take on scotland at 8pm. the scottish side have been taking part infinaltraining preparations ahead of the game in munich, where they've been joined by tens of thousands of fans. here's jane dougall. all ages, all walks of life. one common passion. # we are the famous tartan army and we're here in germany.# the tartan army has taken over munich, some calling it scotoberfest. # no scotland, no party.# most don't have tickets for the match against germany, but the party is for the whole family. if we are going to get germany in any game, you want them in the first game. they are going to be nervous. it's their home tournament and we are the underdogs, we've got nothing to lose. unfortunately, i've not got a ticket. i've got a few of my mates here.

but, you know, it's one of those things, i'm happy to be here. 0ne fan, craig ferguson, walked all the way from glasgow to munich for a men's mental health charity and had high hopes scotland would also take great strides in the tournament. if we win, i did promise i would walk back. more than 200,000 scotland fans are expected at the tournament, planning to be the 12th man. like the support, we couldn't do it without them. they have pushed us over the line at times, and we hope they enjoy themselves over the next 10—11 days, because, you know, if we can perform, we'll give them plenty to shout about. and if we can do that, then, hopefully, they can stay in germany that little bit longer. and they have all travelled for this. the euros begin here at the allianz arena. scotland couldn't have asked for a higher profile match, taking on the hosts germany in their back yard and in the opening game. commentator: scotland go two in front. _ a win over spain en route to qualify

for their second consecutive euros has given scotland the confidence to defeat anyone. i think we should all be proud that we are here. hopefully, at the end of this tournament, we are proud that we have achieved something a little bit more — something a little bit more special in regards to scottish football. a win or even a draw may be a pipe dream, but it's not the dog in the fight, it's the fight in the dog. jane dougall, bbc news, munich. we canjoin we can join another band we canjoin another band of we can join another band of scottish fans now. steve snedker is a scotland fan who's made the journey to munich. he has gone with his family, his partner lauren and three children including six—year—old callum, looking very smart! including six-year-old callum, looking very smart!— including six-year-old callum, looking very smart! good morning. callum, you _ looking very smart! good morning. callum, you look _ looking very smart! good morning. callum, you look very _ looking very smart! good morning. callum, you look very excited - looking very smart! good morning. callum, you look very excited to i looking very smart! good morning. | callum, you look very excited to be on television and very excited to be in germany for the game. how excited are you on a scale of one to ten? how excited on a scale of one to

ten? , ~ how excited on a scale of one to ten?_ thanks - how excited on a scale of one to ten?_ thanks for i ten? very excited. thanks for talkin: ten? very excited. thanks for talking to _ ten? very excited. thanks for talking to us _ ten? very excited. thanks for talking to us this _ ten? very excited. thanks for talking to us this morning. i ten? very excited. thanks for. talking to us this morning. how ten? very excited. thanks for- talking to us this morning. how are you feeling?— talking to us this morning. how are you feeling? feeling good, excited. it's aood you feeling? feeling good, excited. it's good to — you feeling? feeling good, excited. it's good to be _ you feeling? feeling good, excited. it's good to be here, _ you feeling? feeling good, excited. it's good to be here, we've - you feeling? feeling good, excited. it's good to be here, we've been i it's good to be here, we've been here a few days and it's been building up nicely. really excited to get this going, hopefully. henge to get this going, hopefully. have ou been to get this going, hopefully. have you been to _ to get this going, hopefully. have you been to germany _ to get this going, hopefully. have you been to germany before? to get this going, hopefully. have l you been to germany before? many ears auo. you been to germany before? many years ago- i — you been to germany before? many years ago- i was _ you been to germany before? many years ago- i was a _ you been to germany before? many years ago. i was a lot _ you been to germany before? many years ago. i was a lot younger. i years ago. i was a lot younger. first time in quite a while. it's been brilliant, the people of germany, the hospitality has been fantastic. didn't expect to see so many scottish fans here as well. we were in munich yesterday. what many scottish fans here as well. we were in munich yesterday.— were in munich yesterday. what did callum 'ust were in munich yesterday. what did callum just say? — were in munich yesterday. what did callum just say? can _ were in munich yesterday. what did callum just say? can your _ were in munich yesterday. what did callum just say? can your daddy i were in munich yesterday. what did | callum just say? can your daddy tell us. callum 'ust say? can your daddy tell us. , callum 'ust say? can your daddy tell us, , callum 'ust say? can your daddy tell us. , , , ., callum 'ust say? can your daddy tell us. , _., callum 'ust say? can your daddy tell us. he 'ust said, my shoe has fallen off! a

us. he just said, my shoe has fallen off! a great — us. he just said, my shoe has fallen off! a great reception _ us. he just said, my shoe has fallen off! a great reception from - us. he just said, my shoe has fallen off! a great reception from the i off! a great reception from the german people. _ off! a great reception from the german people. tell _ off! a great reception from the german people. tell our i off! a great reception from the i german people. tell our viewers about how you got to germany because you have been part of a convoy of people. you have been part of a convoy of --eole. ., ., ., ., , cam er people. yeah, in motorhomes. camper vans. two motorhomes _ people. yeah, in motorhomes. camper vans. two motorhomes left _ people. yeah, in motorhomes. camper vans. two motorhomes left last - vans. two motorhomes left last sunda . vans. two motorhomes left last sunday- it _ vans. two motorhomes left last sunday. it was _ vans. two motorhomes left last sunday. it was ourselves i vans. two motorhomes left last sunday. it was ourselves and i sunday. it was ourselves and lauren's mum and her partner keith. it has been eventful! we had smoke coming out of one of the motorhomes within 20 minutes of leaving dunfermline. we carried on and made it to germany. keith's motorhome lost fifth gear. it has all been worth it to get here. but lost fifth gear. it has all been worth it to get here.- lost fifth gear. it has all been worth it to get here. but you have not there worth it to get here. but you have got there and _ worth it to get here. but you have got there and we _ worth it to get here. but you have got there and we are _ worth it to get here. but you have got there and we are showing i worth it to get here. but you have i got there and we are showing viewers some pictures from the trip. what an adventure and what a memory to create, especially for the children. yeah, that was the main thing, it was about the children and the memories. the last time scotland were in a european championships i

was 16. i didn't go. i have waited pretty much my whole life to go. we wanted to give this opportunity to our kids to soak it up. we have had so many comments from scotland fans are saying to enjoy it, you don't know how lucky you are and we are grateful to be here. find know how lucky you are and we are grateful to be here.— grateful to be here. and what have the children _ grateful to be here. and what have the children been _ grateful to be here. and what have the children been saying _ grateful to be here. and what have the children been saying about i grateful to be here. and what have the children been saying about alll the children been saying about all of this? , ., , , the children been saying about all of this? , . , , ., of this? they are buzzing, they are soakin: it of this? they are buzzing, they are soaking it in. _ of this? they are buzzing, they are soaking it in, soaking _ of this? they are buzzing, they are soaking it in, soaking it _ of this? they are buzzing, they are soaking it in, soaking it all- of this? they are buzzing, they are soaking it in, soaking it all up. i soaking it in, soaking it all up. just really excited. we are big football fans so to see the scotland fans singing yesterday in munich, thousands of them singing in the street, it was brilliant, absolutely spine tingling, amazing. do street, it was brilliant, absolutely spine tingling, amazing.— street, it was brilliant, absolutely spine tingling, amazing. do you have tickets for the _ spine tingling, amazing. do you have tickets for the game _ spine tingling, amazing. do you have tickets for the game tonight? - spine tingling, amazing. do you have tickets for the game tonight? not i tickets for the game tonight? not not tickets tickets for the game tonight? inrii got tickets for tonight but we have tickets for the next two games so we will be going to cologne after this and then stuttgart. we have tickets for those two, but not for tonight. we'll try to get into the olympic park today. i’m we'll try to get into the olympic park today-—

park today. i'm sure that will be amazinu. park today. i'm sure that will be amazing- how — park today. i'm sure that will be amazing. how are _ park today. i'm sure that will be amazing. how are you _ park today. i'm sure that will be amazing. how are you feeling i park today. i'm sure that will be i amazing. how are you feeling about scotland boss �*s chances tonight? always optimistic! 0bviously germany are germany, a fantastic football team with amazing players. but scotland, on their day, we showed it on the qualifiers against spain, we can match anyone. hopefully we can get something, a draw, anything we would take. but against germany, we don't expect to win but you have to be hope. full of hopejust don't expect to win but you have to be hope. full of hope just now. don't expect to win but you have to be hope. full of hopejust now. i be hope. full of hope just now. i hope the rest of the trip is amazing for you and the family. thank you to callum as well and enjoy it tonight. i hope the motorhomes work. the gears are ok, there is no smoke coming from the exhaust etc. steve, a scotland fan in munich, thank you. no worries, thank you. and a reminder that as the games get under way — including england's first match against serbia on sunday — you can follow live developments

on the bbc sport app and website. let's turn to the general election campaign — and with less than three weeks until polling day the prime minister rishi sunak has said he's "still fighting for every vote". last night senior figures from the seven biggest parties took part in the latest live debate, hosted by itv. among them was nigel farage, who's been buoyed by a yougov opinion poll, which puts his reform uk party in second place — ahead of the conservatives for the first time. mr farage told the bbc he believed that reform would win seats at the election but he couldn't say how many. here's our political correspondent helen catt. familiar faces with familiar pitches. hi, i'm angela rayner, labour's deputy leader, and we have a real chance to turn the page and have change in britain. good evening, i'm penny mordaunt. i'm going to be talking to you about which of your taxes the conservatives will cut. labour will be trying not to talk about the ones they're going to put up.

but reform's nigel farage had a new claim. just before we came on air, we overtook the conservatives in the national opinion polls. we are now the opposition to labour. his claim was based on a poll for yougov, which put them one percentage point ahead of the tories for the first time. psychologically, that is significant, but it is within the margin of error and more polls would be needed to suggest a definite trend. what is clear, though, is that labour is still polling far ahead of both. and in this debate, it was noticeable that angela rayner faced more attacks than previously. angela, which of your party's i u—turns are you most proud of — the ditching of the 28 billion- climate investment plan, keeping the cruel two—child benefit cap, or one of the others? _ what i'm not proud of is that we've had 1a years of the tories and the crashing of the economy. plaid cymru pushed back on labour's choice not to lift the cap, too. and labour is refusing to. again, i ask what's happened to labour? well, again, we've said that we'd have action on child poverty, but we will not...

but you won't lift the two—child limit — a conservative policy that you are determined to press ahead with, even though it damages some of our poorest families. we will not...we will not do unfunded spending commitments. the snp questioned the future of spending under labour, while criticising the tories' handling of the economy. we've had 1a years of austerity, then we've had the damage of brexit and what that's done to the economy, the shrinking of the economy, the £40 billion worth of tax receipts which have disappeared out of the economy. and while the conservatives' penny mordaunt had one consistent accusation she wanted to level at her opponents... a vote for any other party will increase your taxes. higher taxes, higher taxes, higher taxes, higher taxes, higher taxes. what are you on about? the lib dems' daisy cooper said it was the tories that had put them up and added more costs. but the fact is that the cost—of—living crisis has been made so much worse by the mini—budget, which blew a hole in the public finances and made people's rent and mortgages

go absolutely sky high. and people have felt that hit and they are still trying to recover now. no post—show handshakes, this time. with less than three weeks to go, the gloves are off. helen catt, bbc news. 5 live has invited the leaders of the seven main parties to answer your questions directly before polling day. right now, the leader of reform uk, nigel farage, is taking your calls on nicky campbell's programme. we'lljoin them later this hour but you can watch the whole thing live on the bbc iplayer and the bbc news website, or listen on bbc sounds. if you've got a question to ask, you can join the conversation by texting 85058 or call or whatsapp 08085 909 693. live now to our deputy political editor, vicky young, who's in puglia at the g7 summit — which the prime

minister is attending. i know rishi sunak has responded off—camera to the latest opinion poll. what has he had to say? off-camera to the latest opinion poll. what has he had to say? that's riaht, the poll. what has he had to say? that's right, the prime _ poll. what has he had to say? that's right, the prime minister— poll. what has he had to say? that's right, the prime minister spoke i poll. what has he had to say? “trust�*s right, the prime minister spoke to journalists this morning, and off—camera briefing, which he often does at these kind of summits. we asked him about that opinion poll. he said if it was replicated onjuly the 4th it he said if it was replicated onjuly the 11th it would mean that sir keir starmer would be in downing street. and he said it would mean a blank check for labour. he said of course he hasn't given up on the election, he hasn't given up on the election, he is fighting for every single vote, you would expect him to say that. he was pressed on whether he needed to change his election strategy because he has come up with policies, on immigration for example, on pensions, all the kinds of things he would have hoped that those thinking of voting for reform, it might have appealed to them, but it might have appealed to them, but it doesn't appear, if the opinion

polls are right, that that is the case. he says only two people could be prime minister, he or sir keir starmer, and he is trying to say to those people thinking of voting for reform, if you vote for them, it means labour goes into government. and the defence secretary has warned of a super majority for labour. that is not a phrase rishi sunak has decided to repeat. he says he is focused on the election and carrying on to win every vote and is saying we are only halfway through and there is a long way to go. he has had a bit of respite from the campaign trail here at the g7, mixing with other world leaders. they have been talking a lot about ukraine, they have signed off a $50 billion loan to ukraine for its military and for reconstruction. they also announced new sanctions on russia. it's interesting looking at all the photos of the world leaders, rishi sunak is not the only one

struggling with popularity. a lot of them face some real electoral challenges and may be something they have been speaking about when they have been speaking about when they have those private moments over dinner. w' have those private moments over dinner. w ., have those private moments over dinner. a ., ., have those private moments over dinner. ., ., ., ~ dinner. vicki young in puglia, thank ou. most of the major politial parties have now published their manifesto priorities for the next five years, if they win the election. the prime minister rishi sunak says the public deserves the security of a government with a clear plan, whereas labour leader sir keir starmer, says his party would deliver plan for growth. bbc verify�*s nick eardley has been taking a closer look at what the parties are offering. yes, hello. we have the labour and conservative manifestos now. so let me talk you through some of the similarities and some of the differences in their pledges to win you over. let's start with the conservatives — a manifesto that revolved around tax cuts, £17 billion of them. cuts to national insurance, tax breaks for pensioners, tax breaks for first—time homebuyers. but other big spending commitments in there too.

a pledge to spend more cash on defence and to fund that national service for 18—year—olds plan. there's a lot more in there, but these are some of the big spending pledges and overall it comes to £17.7 billion. to raise the money, the conservatives are promising a big cut to welfare spending. some experts are sceptical that they can achieve this 12 billion. and they are promising to crack down on tax avoidance. again, that 6 billion figure is a bit uncertain. but the key thing you need to know about the conservatives is they are promising tax cuts and to reduce the welfare bill to fund them. so how does that compare with labour? well, the short answer is labour are making fewer pledges. here are some of the key promises — cash to fund more nhs appointments, a green prosperity plan, more teachers and teacher training. again, there are other pledges in there, these are just some of the most expensive ones. but the spending is a lot less than the conservatives.

it's 9.5 billion, about 8 billion less. nevertheless, labour need to find a way to pay for it. and here's their plan. like the tories, clamping down on tax avoidance, they also say they're going to raise some taxes like vat on private schools and they'll borrow some money to invest in green energy. by the way, both parties are planning to move some cash around to fund some of their priorities, too. but the key thing you need to know about labour is that they are being cautious — limited spending plans and some tax increases to pay for them. so that's the two manifestos. but what about the big picture for the economy? we've spoken recently about the level of tax in the uk going up a lot. and under both the conservatives' and labour manifestos, tax as a share of the economy will keep going up. you can see it there. add all of the manifesto plans together and you get this. the blue line is the conservatives, the red line is labour. the black line is how things

are forecast at the moment. but tax as a whole is due to go up as a percentage of the economy under all of those plans, according to the institute for fiscal studies. it's up to you whether you think that's a good or a bad thing, of course. another thing the parties have in common is what they are promising not to do. have a look there. no increase in income tax, no increase in national insurance, no increase in vat, no increase in corporation tax, no to extra borrowing. and all of these pledges could leave them pretty stuck if they want to raise more cash for spending in the next parliament. and that's led to warnings about this — a conspiracy of silence on the difficulties they could face. that's from the institute for fiscal studies again. so there are still questions about what cuts

there could be in some spending departments if the economy doesn't grow. there is a lot more about all of this on the bbc news website, about what other parties are offering as well, but hopefully here some useful context that will help you analyse what the conservatives and labour are offering. nick eardley. throughout the election, we're keeping a close eye on key constituencies. today, our reporters are in two battleground seats. 0ur political reporter ben parker is at portman road stadium in the constituency of ipswich. and further north in scotland our senior news reporter catriona renton is in airdrie town centre. good morning to you both. let's begin in airdrie and shotts, the constituency, what are the key issues there?— constituency, what are the key issues there? �* ., ,, ., , , issues there? airdrie and shotts is a constituency _ issues there? airdrie and shotts is a constituency that _ issues there? airdrie and shotts is a constituency that is _ issues there? airdrie and shotts is a constituency that is a _ issues there? airdrie and shotts is a constituency that is a new i

a constituency that is a new constituency because of the boundary changes. this is the sort of area that labour is trying to take back if they are to make those gains in scotland we have been hearing about in the polling. this was a seat that until 2015, when there was a seismic move to the snp, it was a traditional labour heartland. this is an area where the parties, the key battleground is between the labour party and the snp. i have been speaking to people in the constituency asking about the cake keyissues constituency asking about the cake key issues on their minds. the cost of living, everyone i spoke to mentioned the cost of living saying that bills are too high and they are having to cut back on other things because of the amount of money they are playing on mortgages and the general cost of food and all sorts of things, impacting all of us every single day. the health service is another thing that has been a number one issues in all the constituencies

i have been around during the election. health is a devolved matter in scotland but when you think about funding and finance, all roads effectively lead back to westminster because of where the block grant comes from. that's a very important issue for the parties when they talk about the things that matter to people on the ground here. there are some undecided people i spoke to yesterday who don't know where to place their vote. 0thers where to place their vote. others have said they are so disengaged that they don't trust politicians. we were hearing about that earlier in the week and they say they will not be voting. there are things up for grabs here. this is the sort of seat which at the moment is a notionally snp seat. however, if the swings are in the realms of what we're talking about, then this might back to the labour party. aha, we're talking about, then this might back to the labour party.— back to the labour party. a similar auestion back to the labour party. a similar question to — back to the labour party. a similar question to ben. _ back to the labour party. a similar question to ben. you _ back to the labour party. a similar question to ben. you have - back to the labour party. a similar question to ben. you have been i question to ben. you have been chatting to voters in the campaign so far so what have they been

telling you are the most important issues for them?— telling you are the most important issues for them? good morning. you mentioned portman _ issues for them? good morning. you mentioned portman road, _ issues for them? good morning. you mentioned portman road, which i issues for them? good morning. you mentioned portman road, which hasj mentioned portman road, which has been a _ mentioned portman road, which has been a bright spark for ipswich over the last— been a bright spark for ipswich over the last couple of years as ipswich town _ the last couple of years as ipswich town secured back—to—back promotions. a few hundred metres further— promotions. a few hundred metres further towards the town centre, thrat's— further towards the town centre, that's one — further towards the town centre, that's one of the big issues voters care about, — that's one of the big issues voters care about, the state of it, particularly around shopping with an awful lot _ particularly around shopping with an awful lot of empty shops in the centre — awful lot of empty shops in the centre of— awful lot of empty shops in the centre of ipswich, particularly some department stores, when many of them have been_ department stores, when many of them have been closed down in recent years _ have been closed down in recent years it — have been closed down in recent years it has been difficult to fill them — years it has been difficult to fill them. you are seeing lots of empty shops— them. you are seeing lots of empty shops on— them. you are seeing lots of empty shops on the high street and people really— shops on the high street and people really care _ shops on the high street and people really care about that. other issues voters _ really care about that. other issues voters are — really care about that. other issues voters are interested in, crime, particularly _ voters are interested in, crime, particularly shoplifting. and county lines drug — particularly shoplifting. and county lines drug dealing, where drug gangs send people up from london, birmingham and manchester, those bigger— birmingham and manchester, those bigger cities, towns ipswich, often involving _ bigger cities, towns ipswich, often involving young people in drug dealing — involving young people in drug dealing and sometimes it can involve serious _ dealing and sometimes it can involve serious violent incidents. immigration is a hot topic in

luswich _ immigration is a hot topic in ipswich. the town voted to leave in the eu _ ipswich. the town voted to leave in the eu referendum. 0ne ipswich. the town voted to leave in the eu referendum. one of the most prominent _ the eu referendum. one of the most prominent hotels in ipswich was used to home _ prominent hotels in ipswich was used to home asylum seekers, sparking protests— to home asylum seekers, sparking protests and counter protests with tensions _ protests and counter protests with tensions running high. 0ne protests and counter protests with tensions running high. one other issue _ tensions running high. one other issue i_ tensions running high. one other issue i would mention is transport. we orwell— issue i would mention is transport. we 0rwell bridge outside ipswich connects— we 0rwell bridge outside ipswich connects the port of felixstowe with the rest _ connects the port of felixstowe with the rest of _ connects the port of felixstowe with the rest of the country. when that bridge _ the rest of the country. when that bridge closes because of high window accidents. _ bridge closes because of high window accidents, all of the traffic gets pushed — accidents, all of the traffic gets pushed through the centre of ipswich including _ pushed through the centre of ipswich including thousands of lorries and extra _ including thousands of lorries and extra cars — including thousands of lorries and extra cars and the roads can't take it in the _ extra cars and the roads can't take it in the town grinds to a halt. those — it in the town grinds to a halt. those are _ it in the town grinds to a halt. those are some of the big issues people _ those are some of the big issues people at— those are some of the big issues people at a nips which are talking to me _ people at a nips which are talking to me about. people at a nips which are talking to me about-— to me about. time for a quick question _ to me about. time for a quick question for _ to me about. time for a quick question for both _ to me about. time for a quick question for both of - to me about. time for a quick question for both of you. i to me about. time for a quick question for both of you. -- l to me about. time for a quick- question for both of you. -- people question for both of you. —— people in ipswich are talking about. have voters had much contact from the campaigns with people knocking on their doors and so forth? i{finite campaigns with people knocking on their doors and so forth?— their doors and so forth? quite an interesting _ their doors and so forth? quite an interesting point. _ their doors and so forth? quite an interesting point. a _ their doors and so forth? quite an interesting point. a lot _ their doors and so forth? quite an interesting point. a lot of- their doors and so forth? quite an interesting point. a lot of people |

interesting point. a lot of people have said to me they haven't had much communication at all from any of the parties. that was one of the issues coming up when i talked to people on the streets yesterday. i suppose today in scotland you will not hear much about electioneering anyway because there is the big football match tonight with germany. i think that's where everybody�*s mind is at the moment. aha, i think that's where everybody's mind is at the moment.- mind is at the moment. a little distraction- _ mind is at the moment. a little distraction. absolutely, - mind is at the moment. a little distraction. absolutely, a i mind is at the moment. a little distraction. absolutely, a huge| distraction. absolutely, a huge distraction. _ distraction. absolutely, a huge distraction. we _ distraction. absolutely, a huge distraction. we were _ distraction. absolutely, a huge i distraction. we were commenting on how quiet the streets and roads were this morning because i think people's mines are probably elsewhere today rather than on the election trail. 0n elsewhere today rather than on the election trail. on a serious note, a lot of people have said they haven't been getting much communication from any party. that might be something the parties can take note of and start capping on some more doors. ben, to what extent do you think the people you have been talking to are engaged with this campaign or are you getting a sense of apathy or a

sense people might not bother to vote? ., �* , ., sense people might not bother to vote? . �*, ., ., , sense people might not bother to vote? . �*, . ., , , vote? that's a really interesting oint. i vote? that's a really interesting point- i was _ vote? that's a really interesting point. i was speaking _ vote? that's a really interesting point. i was speaking to - vote? that's a really interesting point. i was speaking to some l vote? that's a really interesting i point. i was speaking to some young people _ point. i was speaking to some young people a _ point. i was speaking to some young people a couple of days ago and they said that _ people a couple of days ago and they said that word apathetic. they feel some _ said that word apathetic. they feel some politicians don't actually care what they— some politicians don't actually care what they think, they are targeting much _ what they think, they are targeting much older photos. so if they don't care about — much older photos. so if they don't care about young people why would they go _ care about young people why would they go out and vote? that was their message _ they go out and vote? that was their message. 0n the campaigning of parties _ message. 0n the campaigning of parties in — message. 0n the campaigning of parties in town, this is a key target — parties in town, this is a key target for— parties in town, this is a key target for the labour party who have been out _ target for the labour party who have been out an— target for the labour party who have been out an awful lot. they want to try to _ been out an awful lot. they want to try to take — been out an awful lot. they want to try to take this seat the conservatives took from them in 2019 so they— conservatives took from them in 2019 so they have been out campaigning a lot here _ so they have been out campaigning a lot here in _ so they have been out campaigning a lot here in ipswich. i would say lot here in ipswich. ! would say apathetic— lot here in ipswich. i would say apathetic is a fairly good word to describe — apathetic is a fairly good word to describe how some voters are feeling here _ describe how some voters are feeling here but _ describe how some voters are feeling here. but others are very galvanised, this is an important election— galvanised, this is an important election for them for those issues i mentioned — election for them for those issues i mentioned a moment ago.- election for them for those issues i mentioned a moment ago. thank you to ben parker mentioned a moment ago. thank you to iden parker in — mentioned a moment ago. thank you to ben parker in ipswich _ mentioned a moment ago. thank you to ben parker in ipswich and _ mentioned a moment ago. thank you to ben parker in ipswich and catriona i

ben parker in ipswich and catriona renton in airdrie and shotts. and a reminder, nick robinson continues his series of interviews with the party leaders. he'll be joined by the labour party leader keir starmer tonight on panorama at 7:30pm on bbc 0ne,bbc iplayer, and here on bbc news. we will be speaking to nick robinson later in the programme. the bbc has found there may have been thousands of illegal sewage spills by english water companies in 2022. analysis of weather data and details of spills reported to regulators has identified when raw sewage was released in dry weather, in breach of regulations. here's our environment correspondentjonah fisher. every year, the water companies release a summary of how often they spill raw sewage. they're big numbers, but you can't work out from them whether the spills

were permitted or not. if there's been lots of rain or melting snow, spilling raw sewage can be legal, as it stops the system being overwhelmed and sewage backing up into our homes. but the law is very clear. spills that take place when it hasn't rained are a breach of the water company's permits. when an overflow operates on a dry day, there's less water in the river and that sort of sewage component becomes bigger. and then that's when we have problems with ammonia, with dissolved oxygen, what have you. so it actually causes problems for wildlife. which is why they're illegal? absolutely, yeah, absolutely. to pinpoint possible dry spills, the bbc developed a methodology which uses rainfall data from the met office to indicate if spills could have taken place when the weather was dry. we then asked all of england's water companies to provide us details of exactly when and where they spilled in 2022 — a famously hot and dry year.

we have a big bbc investigation. last year, three companies gave us their data. and we revealed 388 possible dry spills. six companies refused the bbc�*s request, giving a variety of reasons, including citing the fact that they're under criminal investigation — an explanation which the regulators reject. we don't think it's good. we think it corrodes public trust in the industry. customers have paid for these monitors and paid for the data. therefore, i think companies should share that. why are they refusing to share it with us? you'll have to ask them. so we did. why did so many of the water companies refuse to give us the data from 2022? it does rather give the impression that they have something to hide. i disagree. why would they withhold it? so all of that data is available

in real time on their websites. it's not — not from 2022. i will correct you there. and all of the data is submitted to the regulator, who analyses data and make the determination. yes, the regulator gave us the data because the water companies wouldn't. it is for every individual company to explain the basis on which it distributes the data. we are the most transparent industry in the world when it comes to water. in the end, the environment agency stepped in and gave the bbc the compa ny�*s data. our analysis increases the total of possible dry spills in 2022 to nearly 6,000, with those possible spills lasting more than 29,000 hours. are you surprised at the scale of this? i would like to say i'm surprised. i'm not surprised. these networks haven't been invested in for decades. that investment needs to take place. the water company said the bbc�*s methodology was flawed. they also said many of the possible

spills we identified were in fact equipment malfunctions. the data is not sufficient to draw the conclusions regarding whether a spill was dry or wet. regardless, though, we don't want to see any spill of sewage, whether it's dry or wet, into our waterways. water companies must, from this year, publish information about their spills as they happen, and more investigators, like gavin here in essex, are being recruited by the environment agency. data has made us aware of the scale of the sewage problem. the question now is how we fix it. jonah fisher, bbc news. as we mentioned, over on radio 5 live right now my colleague nicky campbell is putting your questions to reform uk leader nigel farage. if you want to get in touch, here are the details for you. but, for now, let's listen in.

we welcome viewers on bbc television and bbc news. we are halfway through and bbc news. we are halfway through a session with nigel farage. james is making the point, just make it quickly again, james, about where we get the workers from a full social care, hgv drivers, for construction, all of the professions that we are looking at the moment, where we need to get those people and we don't have time to train them properly. what do you want to say?- have time to train them properly. what do you want to say? well, yes, exactly that- — what do you want to say? well, yes, exactly that. there _ what do you want to say? well, yes, exactly that. there is _ what do you want to say? well, yes, exactly that. there is a _ what do you want to say? well, yes, exactly that. there is a massive i exactly that. there is a massive list, _ exactly that. there is a massive list. i_ exactly that. there is a massive list. ican't— exactly that. there is a massive list, i can't go through them all. all list, ican't go through them all. all of— list, i can't go through them all. all of these massive gaps in the workforce. we need people to fill them _ workforce. we need people to fill them. since brexit, lots of people have _ them. since brexit, lots of people have gone — them. since brexit, lots of people have gone back to europe and loads of roles— have gone back to europe and loads of roles are — have gone back to europe and loads of roles are not being filled. all of roles are not being filled. all of the _ of roles are not being filled. all of the services, social care, hospitality, construction, they have not got _

not got enough people to fill those roles _ not got enough people to fill those roles the — not got enough people to fill those roles. the economy is suffering. james _ roles. the economy is suffering. james said — roles. the economy is suffering. james said quite a bit before you joined us on the television which was interesting. very much appreciated. i'm going to another call that follows the point. good morninu. call that follows the point. good morning- all— call that follows the point. good morning. all yours. _ call that follows the point. good morning. all yours. my - call that follows the point. good j morning. all yours. my question call that follows the point. good i morning. all yours. my question to niel morning. all yours. my question to nigel farage _ morning. all yours. my question to nigel farage is _ morning. all yours. my question to nigel farage is why _ morning. all yours. my question to nigel farage is why are _ morning. all yours. my question to nigel farage is why are none i morning. all yours. my question to nigel farage is why are none of i morning. all yours. my question to | nigel farage is why are none of the political— nigel farage is why are none of the political parties _ nigel farage is why are none of the political parties talking _ nigel farage is why are none of the political parties talking about - nigel farage is why are none of the political parties talking about the i political parties talking about the positives — political parties talking about the positives of — political parties talking about the positives of net _ political parties talking about the positives of net migration? - political parties talking about the i positives of net migration? because not all— positives of net migration? because not all net _ positives of net migration? because not all net migration _ positives of net migration? because not all net migration is— positives of net migration? because not all net migration is a _ not all net migration is a liability _ not all net migration is a liability i_ not all net migration is a liability. i am _ not all net migration is a liability. i am a - not all net migration is a i liability. i am a professional, not all net migration is a - liability. lam a professional, i came — liability. lam a professional, i came 19 — liability. lam a professional, i came 19 years _ liability. lam a professional, i came 19 years ago, _ liability. lam a professional, i came 19 years ago, helped i liability. lam a professional, i came 19 years ago, helped inl came 19 years ago, helped in creating _ came 19 years ago, helped in creating jobs. _ came 19 years ago, helped in creating jobs, made - came 19 years ago, helped in creating jobs, made the - came 19 years ago, helped in i creating jobs, made the economy millions— creating jobs, made the economy millions and _ creating jobs, made the economy millions and paid _ creating jobs, made the economy millions and paid vat. _ creating jobs, made the economy millions and paid vat. why - creating jobs, made the economy millions and paid vat. why are i creating jobs, made the economy. millions and paid vat. why are none of the _ millions and paid vat. why are none of the political— millions and paid vat. why are none of the political parties _ millions and paid vat. why are none of the political parties giving - millions and paid vat. why are none of the political parties giving the i of the political parties giving the figure _ of the political parties giving the figure of— of the political parties giving the figure of people _ of the political parties giving the figure of people as _ of the political parties giving the figure of people as part - of the political parties giving the figure of people as part of- of the political parties giving the figure of people as part of the i of the political parties giving the i figure of people as part of the net migration— figure of people as part of the net migration that _ figure of people as part of the net migration that are _ figure of people as part of the net migration that are giving - figure of people as part of the net migration that are giving back i figure of people as part of the net migration that are giving back to i migration that are giving back to the society? _ migration that are giving back to the society?— migration that are giving back to the socie ? ., . the society? you have intrigued me, ou have the society? you have intrigued me, you have made _ the society? you have intrigued me, you have made the _ the society? you have intrigued me, you have made the economy - the society? you have intrigued me, i you have made the economy millions? i work in hospitality, the restaurants— i work in hospitality, the restaurants i— i work in hospitality, the restaurants i work- i work in hospitality, the restaurants i work for, i i work in hospitality, the i restaurants i work for, the i work in hospitality, the - restaurants i work for, the groups i work in hospitality, the _

restaurants i work for, the groups i work— restaurants i work for, the groups i work for. _ restaurants i work for, the groups i work for. 20%_ restaurants i work for, the groups i work for, 20% vat— restaurants i work for, the groups i work for, 20% vat going _ restaurants i work for, the groups i work for, 20% vat going back- restaurants i work for, the groups i work for, 20% vat going back into| work for, 20% vat going back into the country — work for, 20% vat going back into the country. people _ work for, 20% vat going back into the country. people think- work for, 20% vat going back into the country. people think net - the country. people think net migration— the country. people think net migration is— the country. people think net migration is a _ the country. people think net migration is a liability, - the country. people think net migration is a liability, i- the country. people think netj migration is a liability, i think the country. people think net. migration is a liability, i think i am an— migration is a liability, i think i am an asset _ migration is a liability, i think i am an asset. why _ migration is a liability, i think i am an asset. why are - migration is a liability, i think i am an asset. why are none i migration is a liability, i think i am an asset. why are none ofl migration is a liability, i think i. am an asset. why are none of the political— am an asset. why are none of the political parties _ am an asset. why are none of the political parties raising _ am an asset. why are none of the political parties raising that, - am an asset. why are none of the political parties raising that, thatl political parties raising that, that the net _ political parties raising that, that the net migration— political parties raising that, that the net migration figures, - political parties raising that, that the net migration figures, therel political parties raising that, that. the net migration figures, there are a lot of— the net migration figures, there are a lot of assets _ the net migration figures, there are a lot of assets.— a lot of assets. course you are an asset, a lot of assets. course you are an asset. and _ a lot of assets. course you are an asset, and skilled _ a lot of assets. course you are an asset, and skilled migration i a lot of assets. course you are an asset, and skilled migration can i a lot of assets. course you are an i asset, and skilled migration can be asset, and skilled migration can be a huge asset to the country. but when it comes to un—skilled migration, where people are not paying very much tax at all, they are allowed to bring dependents with them. that might suit the company, particularly for corporations who want to pay people as little as they humanly possibly can, overall that is not a positive for the country. of course there are swings and roundabouts with this. the point i'm making... roundabouts with this. the point i'm makinu... �* ., ., making... don't throw the baby out with the bath _ making... don't throw the baby out with the bath water. _ making... don't throw the baby out with the bath water. where - making... don't throw the baby out with the bath water. where did - making... don't throw the baby out with the bath water. where did you i with the bath water. where did you come from? i with the bath water. where did you come from?— with the bath water. where did you come from? _, ., ., ., come from? i come from india, and i came in 2007- _

come from? i come from india, and i came in 2007. i've _ come from? i come from india, and i came in 2007. i've paid _ come from? i come from india, and i came in 2007. i've paid my - come from? i come from india, and i came in 2007. i've paid my taxes, i come from? i come from india, and i | came in 2007. i've paid my taxes, my partner— came in 2007. i've paid my taxes, my partner helped — came in 2007. i've paid my taxes, my partner helped me. _ came in 2007. i've paid my taxes, my partner helped me, she _ came in 2007. i've paid my taxes, my partner helped me, she came - came in 2007. i've paid my taxes, my partner helped me, she came over, . partner helped me, she came over, she was_ partner helped me, she came over, she was a _ partner helped me, she came over, she was a dependent, _ partner helped me, she came over, she was a dependent, she - partner helped me, she came over, she was a dependent, she has - partner helped me, she came over, . she was a dependent, she has worked with me _ she was a dependent, she has worked with me all— she was a dependent, she has worked with me all these _ she was a dependent, she has worked with me all these years _ she was a dependent, she has worked with me all these years and _ she was a dependent, she has worked with me all these years and paid - she was a dependent, she has worked with me all these years and paid it- with me all these years and paid it back into — with me all these years and paid it back into the — with me all these years and paid it back into the economy. _ with me all these years and paid it back into the economy. it - with me all these years and paid it back into the economy. it is - with me all these years and paid it back into the economy. it isjust. with me all these years and paid it back into the economy. it isjust a| back into the economy. it isjust a very ambiguous _ back into the economy. it isjust a very ambiguous figure _ back into the economy. it isjust a very ambiguous figure that - back into the economy. it isjust a very ambiguous figure that they. back into the economy. it is just a i very ambiguous figure that they give to the _ very ambiguous figure that they give to the public. — very ambiguous figure that they give to the public, saying _ very ambiguous figure that they give to the public, saying that _ very ambiguous figure that they give to the public, saying that net - to the public, saying that net migration— to the public, saying that net migration is— to the public, saying that net migration is quarter- to the public, saying that net migration is quarter of- to the public, saying that net migration is quarter of a - to the public, saying that net - migration is quarter of a million, half a _ migration is quarter of a million, half a million. _ migration is quarter of a million, half a million.— migration is quarter of a million, half a million. penny mordaunt to call ou a half a million. penny mordaunt to call you a labour— half a million. penny mordaunt to call you a labour enabler. - half a million. penny mordaunt to call you a labour enabler. poor. half a million. penny mordaunt to | call you a labour enabler. poor old penny mordaunt. _ call you a labour enabler. poor old penny mordaunt. how _ call you a labour enabler. poor old penny mordaunt. how do - call you a labour enabler. poor old penny mordaunt. how do you - call you a labour enabler. poor old i penny mordaunt. how do you enable --eole like penny mordaunt. how do you enable people like sidart _ penny mordaunt. how do you enable people like sidart to _ penny mordaunt. how do you enable people like sidart to come, - penny mordaunt. how do you enable people like sidart to come, who - penny mordaunt. how do you enable people like sidart to come, who has| people like sidart to come, who has done so much for the country? trier? done so much for the country? very simle, done so much for the country? very simple. what _ done so much for the country? very simple. what we — done so much for the country? very simple, what we are _ done so much for the country? very simple, what we are proposing is that we _ simple, what we are proposing is that we have _ simple, what we are proposing is that we have an _ simple, what we are proposing is that we have an overall - simple, what we are proposing is that we have an overall net - that we have an overall net migration— that we have an overall net migration figure _ that we have an overall net migration figure of - that we have an overall net migration figure of zero. i that we have an overall net - migration figure of zero. which nreans— migration figure of zero. which nreans there _ migration figure of zero. which means there is _ migration figure of zero. which means there is room _ migration figure of zero. which means there is room for- migration figure of zero. which means there is room for lots . migration figure of zero. which l means there is room for lots and lots of— means there is room for lots and lots of sidarts _ means there is room for lots and lots of sidarts to _ means there is room for lots and lots of sidarts to come _ means there is room for lots and lots of sidarts to come every- means there is room for lots and i lots of sidarts to come every year, and roonr — lots of sidarts to come every year, and roonr for— lots of sidarts to come every year, and room for us _ lots of sidarts to come every year, and room for us to _ lots of sidarts to come every year, and room for us to retire - lots of sidarts to come every year, and room for us to retire to- lots of sidarts to come every year, and room for us to retire to spain, i and room for us to retire to spain, io and room for us to retire to spain, 90 work— and room for us to retire to spain, go work in — and room for us to retire to spain, go work in australia _ and room for us to retire to spain, go work in australia for _ and room for us to retire to spain, go work in australia for a - and room for us to retire to spain, go work in australia for a couple . and room for us to retire to spain, | go work in australia for a couple of years— go work in australia for a couple of years or— go work in australia for a couple of years or whatever— go work in australia for a couple of years or whatever it _ go work in australia for a couple of years or whatever it may— go work in australia for a couple of years or whatever it may be. - go work in australia for a couple of years or whatever it may be. not l years or whatever it may be. not everybody _ years or whatever it may be. not everybody can — years or whatever it may be. everybody can retire to years or whatever it may be. itrg�*n everybody can retire to spain years or whatever it may be. everybody can retire to spain or

work in australia. by, everybody can retire to spain or work in australia.— everybody can retire to spain or work in australia. a lot of people do, increasingly. _ work in australia. a lot of people do, increasingly. sadly, - do, increasingly. sadly, increasingly, a lot of our brightest and best are leaving the country are not coming back, but that is a separate debate. sidart, of course we want skilled migration into the country. what we cannot go on doing is having large—scale unskilled migration, with dependents at the same time as millions of our own people are on benefits. under many of them are trapped on benefits. this is a very important point. not everybody on benefits is a scrounger or a sponger, there are many people on benefits who would love to get back to work, but they find they get a low—paid job, and they are better off staying on benefits. our idea is to increase the number at which people start paying income tax to £20,000 per year. people start paying income tax to £20,000 peryear. if people start paying income tax to £20,000 per year. if we get more people who are unemployed back into work, profitably for them, we won't need the same level of unskilled migration. need the same level of unskilled miaration. ,, ., ., ,, need the same level of unskilled

miaration. ,, ., ., ~ , ., , migration. siddarth, thank you very much indeed. _ migration. siddarth, thank you very much indeed, another _ migration. siddarth, thank you very much indeed, another great - migration. siddarth, thank you very much indeed, another great call. i migration. siddarth, thank you very l much indeed, another great call. we have claire coming up. i want to ask you something about your... it is not a manifesto, a prospectus? if you ask people, word association, manifesto, they say lie. i5 you ask people, word association, manifesto, they say lie. is a manifesto, they say lie. is a contract- — manifesto, they say lie. is a contract. on _ manifesto, they say lie. is a contract. on the _ manifesto, they say lie. is a contract. on the climate i manifesto, they say lie. is a contract. on the climate emergency, i'm really into science... share contract. on the climate emergency, i'm really into science. . ._ i'm really into science... are you? sun spots. — i'm really into science. .. are you? sun spots, volcanic— i'm really into science... are you? sun spots, volcanic activity, i i'm really into science... are you? sun spots, volcanic activity, that l sun spots, volcanic activity, that sort of thing?— sun spots, volcanic activity, that sortofthinr? ., ~ ., m~ sort of thing? you know there is 9996 scientific sort of thing? you know there is 99% scientific consensus _ sort of thing? you know there is 99% scientific consensus on _ sort of thing? you know there is 99% scientific consensus on this, - sort of thing? you know there is 99% scientific consensus on this, more i scientific consensus on this, more scientific consensus on this, more scientific consensus on climate change being destructive to the planet that there is on smoking causing cancer, which you may be interested in. lesson, it says on your prospectus, co2 is essential for photosynthesis to enable plant growth. co2 only represents 0.0li% for photosynthesis to enable plant growth. co2 only represents 0.04% of the atmosphere. the average garden greenhouse has three times more. nigel farage, you will have to

change this before you publish it because it is like something you would find on a dodgy american link on youtube. it's absolute scientific hogwash. on youtube. it's absolute scientific hoawash. ~ ., , . ., on youtube. it's absolute scientific hoawash. ., , . ., ., hogwash. what percentage of c02 which is produced _ hogwash. what percentage of c02 which is produced every _ hogwash. what percentage of c02 which is produced every year i hogwash. what percentage of c02 which is produced every year is i which is produced every year is man—made? it which is produced every year is man-made?— which is produced every year is man-made? ., ., man-made? it is a trace gas, for a start. man-made? it is a trace gas, for a start- the — man-made? it is a trace gas, for a start. the most _ man-made? it is a trace gas, for a start. the most harmful— man-made? it is a trace gas, for a start. the most harmful outcome i man-made? it is a trace gas, for a | start. the most harmful outcome of rising co2 on vegetation is climate change itself, drought, heat stress. which would overwhelm any... hang on, that is the science. i know you have been meddling with young earth creationists in america and that kind of stuff. get creationists in america and that kind of stuff.— kind of stuff. get out of it. i'm not kind of stuff. get out of it. i'm rrot having _ kind of stuff. get out of it. i'm rrot having any _ kind of stuff. get out of it. i'm not having any scientific i kind of stuff. get out of it. i'ml not having any scientific debate kind of stuff. get out of it. i'm i not having any scientific debate at all. �* , ., not having any scientific debate at all. �* �* not having any scientific debate at all.�* �* , not having any scientific debate at all. , ., all. but you can't put that, people will laurh all. but you can't put that, people will laugh at _ all. but you can't put that, people will laugh at you. _ all. but you can't put that, people will laugh at you. i _ all. but you can't put that, people will laugh at you. i won't - all. but you can't put that, people will laugh at you. i won't be, i'll. will laugh at you. i won't be, i'll be releasing _ will laugh at you. i won't be, i'll be releasing a _ will laugh at you. i won't be, i'll be releasing a contract - will laugh at you. i won't be, i'll be releasing a contract on i will laugh at you. i won't be, i'll. be releasing a contract on monday. you have taken that out? shall be releasing a contract on monday. you have taken that out?— you have taken that out? all you have seen _ you have taken that out? all you have seen as _ you have taken that out? all you have seen as a _ you have taken that out? all you have seen as a draft. _ you have taken that out? all you have seen as a draft. i'm - you have taken that out? all you have seen as a draft. i'm not i you have taken that out? all you l have seen as a draft. i'm not going to have a debate on science, man produces about 3% of the co2 produced in the world every year.

that is a vital produced in the world every year. that is a vita13%. it is produced in the world every year. that is a vital 396.— that is a vital 396. it is nuts to call c02 a _ that is a vital 396. it is nuts to call c02 a poison. _ that is a vital 396. it is nuts to call c02 a poison. that i that is a vital 396. it is nuts to call c02 a poison. that is i that is a vital 396. it is nuts to call c02 a poison. that is all. that is a vital 396. it is nuts to call c02 a poison. that is all i | call co2 a poison. that is all i will say on the science. what is more important is this. this really is important. net zero is de—industrialising our country. is de—industrialising our country. is not more important than what is happening to the country. listen, 0k, happening to the country. listen, ok, fine. happening to the country. listen, 0k. fine. sent— happening to the country. listen, ok, fine. sent me _ happening to the country. listen, ok, fine. sent me some - happening to the country. listen, i ok, fine. sent me some youtube links! m — ok, fine. sent me some youtube links! i'm not— ok, fine. sent me some youtube links! i'm not arguing _ ok, fine. sent me some youtube links! i'm not arguing the - ok, fine. sent me some youtube| links! i'm not arguing the science, i'm links! i'm not arguing the science, l'm arguing _ links! i'm not arguing the science, l'm arguing the — links! i'm not arguing the science, i'm arguing the impact _ links! i'm not arguing the science, i'm arguing the impact of - links! i'm not arguing the science, i'm arguing the impact of what i links! i'm not arguing the science, i'm arguing the impact of what we i i'm arguing the impact of what we are doing, which is an enormous act of economic self—harm. band are doing, which is an enormous act of economic self-harm.— of economic self-harm. and if we don't do it? _ of economic self-harm. and if we don't do it? we _ of economic self-harm. and if we don't do it? we are _ of economic self-harm. and if we don't do it? we are irrelevant. i of economic self-harm. and if we | don't do it? we are irrelevant. we are rlobal don't do it? we are irrelevant. we are global leaders, _ don't do it? we are irrelevant. we are global leaders, the _ don't do it? we are irrelevant. we i are global leaders, the cutting-edge are global leaders, the cutting—edge of it. are global leaders, the cutting-edge of it. ,.,, , are global leaders, the cutting-edge of it. , ., , of it. there in he posts that they have produced _ of it. there in he posts that they have produced a _ of it. there in he posts that they have produced a billion - of it. there in he posts that they have produced a billion tonnes l of it. there in he posts that they| have produced a billion tonnes of coal. look at china, india, indonesia, with a 250 coal—fired power stations, you realise what we have done has not benefited the

planet at all. we have offshore to the production of steel. thea;t planet at all. we have offshore to the production of steel.— the production of steel. they are lookin: at the production of steel. they are looking at us _ the production of steel. they are looking at us for— the production of steel. they are looking at us for the _ the production of steel. they are looking at us for the leading i looking at us for the leading technology in this country. thea;t looking at us for the leading technology in this country. they are launchin at technology in this country. they are laughing at us- _ technology in this country. they are laughing at us. china _ technology in this country. they are laughing at us. china builds- technology in this country. they are laughing at us. china builds 80 i technology in this country. they are laughing at us. china builds 80 big | laughing at us. china builds 80 big new coal—fired power stations every year. new coal-fired power stations every ear. , w new coal-fired power stations every ear. , all new coal-fired power stations every year-- all i'm _ new coal-fired power stations every year.- all i'm saying i new coal-fired power stations every year.- all i'm saying is, i new coal-fired power stations every year.- all i'm saying is, is i year. give up? all i'm saying is, is it worth those _ year. give up? all i'm saying is, is it worth those committing - year. give up? all i'm saying is, is it worth those committing an i year. give up? all i'm saying is, is it worth those committing an act l year. give up? all i'm saying is, is| it worth those committing an act of self—harm if all we are doing is exporting the co2 production. what exporting the c02 production. what it is worth his _ exporting the c02 production. what it is worth his being _ exporting the c02 production. what it is worth his being at the top table with these people and saying, let's all move together slowly, because if we move together slowly,... because if we move together slowly. . . -_ because if we move together slowl ,... , ., ., ., slowly,... they are not moving! they are not slowly,... they are not moving! they are rrot going — slowly,... they are not moving! they are rrot going to _ slowly,... they are not moving! they are not going to move _ slowly,... they are not moving! they are not going to move if _ slowly,... they are not moving! they are not going to move if we - slowly,... they are not moving! they are not going to move if we do i are not going to move if we do absolutely nothing, they are certainly not going to move. hider;t certainly not going to move. nicky cambell, certainly not going to move. nicky campbell, would _ certainly not going to move. nicky campbell, would you _ certainly not going to move. nicky campbell, would you rather i certainly not going to move. it tag: campbell, would you rather we certainly not going to move. it can campbell, would you rather we import steel made in india or make it ourselves? you want the argument. i'm arguing about the science.

claire, sorry about that little confrontation.— claire, sorry about that little confrontation. ., ., , ., confrontation. you have explored . uite confrontation. you have explored ruite a confrontation. you have explored quite a bit _ confrontation. you have explored quite a bit there. _ confrontation. you have explored quite a bit there. we _ confrontation. you have explored quite a bit there. we can - confrontation. you have explored quite a bit there. we can see i confrontation. you have explored| quite a bit there. we can see now where _ quite a bit there. we can see now where is — quite a bit there. we can see now where is the _ quite a bit there. we can see now where is the farage comes from. oh, reall ? m where is the farage comes from. oh, really? my question _ where is the farage comes from. oh, really? my question is _ where is the farage comes from. oh, really? my question is how _ where is the farage comes from. oh, really? my question is how you i where is the farage comes from. oh, really? my question is how you will. really? my question is how you will hel our really? my question is how you will help our country — really? my question is how you will help our country in _ really? my question is how you will help our country in a _ really? my question is how you will help our country in a climate - help our country in a climate emergency. help our country in a climate emergency-— help our country in a climate emergency. help our country in a climate emeruen . k, , help our country in a climate emeruen k, emergency. something has to be done. we should not — emergency. something has to be done. we should not be _ emergency. something has to be done. we should not be committing _ emergency. something has to be done. we should not be committing an - emergency. something has to be done. we should not be committing an act - we should not be committing an act of mindless self—harm. i repeat the point,, we will be using steel, oil, we will be using gas up until 2050, admitted by every side in the debate, regardless of the scientific debate. it’s debate, regardless of the scientific debate. �* , ., . debate, regardless of the scientific debate. �*, ., ., debate, regardless of the scientific| debate._ hopefully debate. it's not a debate. hopefully it will be in — debate. it's not a debate. hopefully it will be in diminishing _ it will be in diminishing quantities, maybe, maybe not. what i'm saying, it is an act of self—harm to de—industrialise, put massive bills on the poor, when it does not benefit global c02

does not benefit global co2 emissions at all. by the way, i am pro—nuclear. i think that is perhaps the best thing we can do to reduce carbon emissions, to go for nuclear power, which, by the way, gives us not intermittent energy but regular energy. that's all i'm arguing. let's not commit an act of self—harm. let's not commit an act of self-harm.— let's not commit an act of self-harm. ~ , ., , ., self-harm. my argument is that it will be an act _ self-harm. my argument is that it will be an act of— self-harm. my argument is that it will be an act of self-harm - self-harm. my argument is that it will be an act of self-harm if - self-harm. my argument is that it will be an act of self-harm if we l self-harm. my argument is that it | will be an act of self-harm if we do will be an act of self—harm if we do nothing _ will be an act of self—harm if we do nothing it— will be an act of self—harm if we do nothing it is— will be an act of self—harm if we do nothing. it is a challenge, the transition _ nothing. it is a challenge, the transition from fossil fuels to renewables is a challenge. but we -ot renewables is a challenge. but we got to— renewables is a challenge. but we got to push that forward. and to do nothing _ got to push that forward. and to do nothing is _ got to push that forward. and to do nothing is a — got to push that forward. and to do nothing is a case of self—harm. | nothing is a case of self—harm. i tell nothing is a case of self—harm. tell you nothing is a case of self—harm. i tell you what, it is really good that we have discussed this and put it on the table. i wait with great interest to see if you change the contract when you release it on monday. because there are a lot of people who support you who are extremely worried of the state of

our climate. extremely worried of the state of our climate-— our climate. they can be worried about it. the _ our climate. they can be worried about it. the point _ our climate. they can be worried about it. the point i'm _ our climate. they can be worried about it. the point i'm making, i our climate. they can be worried l about it. the point i'm making, we have reduced c02 about it. the point i'm making, we have reduced co2 emissions in this country... hate have reduced c02 emissions in this count ~ . ., ., ., have reduced c02 emissions in this count . ., ., ., ., country... we are going to go to juliet. country... we are going to go to juliet- we — country... we are going to go to juliet. we are — country... we are going to go to juliet. we are going _ country... we are going to go to juliet. we are going to - country... we are going to go to juliet. we are going to move - country... we are going to go to juliet. we are going to move it | country... we are going to go to i juliet. we are going to move it on. juliet. we are going to move it on. could i say some thing else? in one sentence and _ could i say some thing else? in one sentence and then _ could i say some thing else? in one sentence and then i _ could i say some thing else? in one sentence and then i will— could i say some thing else? in one sentence and then i will move - could i say some thing else? in one sentence and then i will move it - could i say some thing else? in one| sentence and then i will move it on. as the planet heats up, the equatorial area, the great band of countries — equatorial area, the great band of countries around the equator, will be uninhabitable. and the migration than around the world will be enormous. than around the world will be enormous— than around the world will be enormous. ., . �* , ., enormous. you ain't seen nothing et. sto enormous. you ain't seen nothing yet- step the _ enormous. you ain't seen nothing yet. stop the ships, _ enormous. you ain't seen nothing yet. stop the ships, that - enormous. you ain't seen nothing yet. stop the ships, that is - enormous. you ain't seen nothing yet. stop the ships, that is what l enormous. you ain't seen nothing | yet. stop the ships, that is what it will be. . , ., yet. stop the ships, that is what it will be. . , . yet. stop the ships, that is what it willbe. . , . , will be. yeah, yeah. if some parts become uninhabitable, _ will be. yeah, yeah. if some parts become uninhabitable, other- will be. yeah, yeah. if some parts| become uninhabitable, other parts might become habitable.— become uninhabitable, other parts might become habitable. species are disa -aearin might become habitable. species are disappearing at _ might become habitable. species are disappearing at an — might become habitable. species are disappearing at an unprecedented . disappearing at an unprecedented rate. ~ �* . . ., disappearing at an unprecedented rate. �* . . . ., rate. we've had climate change for millions of years. _ rate. we've had climate change for millions of years. not _ rate. we've had climate change for millions of years. not of— rate. we've had climate change for millions of years. not of this - millions of years. not of this raidl . millions of years. not of this rapidly- how— millions of years. not of this rapidly. how do _ millions of years. not of this rapidly. how do we - millions of years. not of this rapidly. how do we know? . millions of years. not of this l rapidly. how do we know? our scientific knowledge _ rapidly. how do we know? our scientific knowledge of - rapidly. how do we know? our scientific knowledge of it - rapidly. how do we know? our

scientific knowledge of it is - rapidly. how do we know? our. scientific knowledge of it is very small. �* . scientific knowledge of it is very small. �* , ., scientific knowledge of it is very small. �*, ., ., ., �*, ., small. let's move on to... let's go with danny — small. let's move on to... let's go with danny in _ small. let's move on to... let's go with danny in liverpool. _ small. let's move on to... let's go with danny in liverpool. good - with danny in liverpool. good morning- _ with danny in liverpool. good morning- hi. _ with danny in liverpool. good morning. hi, nigel. _ with danny in liverpool. good morning. hi, nigel. i'd - with danny in liverpool. good morning. hi, nigel. i'djust. with danny in liverpool. good i morning. hi, nigel. i'djust like with danny in liverpool. good morning. hi, nigel. i'djust like to ask, _ morning. hi, nigel. i'djust like to ask, i'm _ morning. hi, nigel. i'djust like to ask, i'm basicallya morning. hi, nigel. i'djust like to ask, i'm basically a transgender person. — ask, i'm basically a transgender person, transgender woman, and ask, i'm basically a transgender person, transgenderwoman, and i'd like to— person, transgenderwoman, and i'd like to know— person, transgenderwoman, and i'd like to know how you would interact with transgender people on a health level. _ with transgender people on a health level. if_ with transgender people on a health level, if you were to become in that position? _ level, if you were to become in that osition? ., . . , . . level, if you were to become in that position?_ leti position? you are a libertarian? let me be absolutely _ position? you are a libertarian? let me be absolutely clear, _ position? you are a libertarian? let me be absolutely clear, in - position? you are a libertarian? let me be absolutely clear, in my - me be absolutely clear, in my political, professional career, i've had transgender people as elected representatives of ukip, and absolutely no problem at all, people should be allowed to be what they want to be, of course. where i might have a debate with you is the idea that a male who has gone through male puberty should be able to compete in a swimming event as a woman, i would say that should not

happen. actually, ithink woman, i would say that should not happen. actually, i think that debate is beginning to be settled. we saw sebastian coe, the olympic international committee has come to that conclusion as well. similarly, dani, whilst we must respect the rights of transgender people and we should, we equally must respect the rights of women, for women only spaces. this whole debate gets very, very heated, there are some good common sense ways out of it. what very heated, there are some good common sense ways out of it. what i would like to — common sense ways out of it. what i would like to add _ common sense ways out of it. what i would like to add to _ common sense ways out of it. what i would like to add to that _ common sense ways out of it. what i would like to add to that is, - common sense ways out of it. what i would like to add to that is, i'm - would like to add to that is, i'm asking — would like to add to that is, i'm asking purely now from a health perspective, right? but the common—sense debates aside for a nronrent, _ common—sense debates aside for a nronrent, a — common—sense debates aside for a moment, a lot of transgender people, you have _ moment, a lot of transgender people, you have to— moment, a lot of transgender people, you have to wait years and years 'ust you have to wait years and years just to _ you have to wait years and years just to he — you have to wait years and years just to be seen by the clinic, to -et just to be seen by the clinic, to get a _ just to be seen by the clinic, to get a diagnosis of gender dysphoria. a lot of— get a diagnosis of gender dysphoria. a lot of politicians don't seem to understand what that entails. from a

purely— understand what that entails. from a purely health perspective, taking viewers _ purely health perspective, taking viewers out of the question, how would _ viewers out of the question, how would you — viewers out of the question, how would you deal with the health side of it? _ would you deal with the health side of it? ~ . . would you deal with the health side of it? . . . of it? well, dani, we have a massive health problem _ of it? well, dani, we have a massive health problem with _ of it? well, dani, we have a massive health problem with huge _ of it? well, dani, we have a massive health problem with huge waiting - health problem with huge waiting times, notjust for people with that condition, but virtually every condition, but virtually every condition you can possibly think of. that question is actually a much broader question about what we are getting for the money that has gone into the health service, and why waiting times have gone up as much as they can. i have some big thoughts on that. haste as they can. i have some big thoughts on that.— as they can. i have some big thoughts on that. we await the contract. thank _ thoughts on that. we await the contract. thank you _ thoughts on that. we await the contract. thank you very - thoughts on that. we await the contract. thank you very much | contract. thank you very much indeed. let's go to kimberley. good morning. indeed. let's go to kimberley. good morninu. indeed. let's go to kimberley. good mornin., ., indeed. let's go to kimberley. good morninu. ., .y morning. good morning, nigel. my ruestion morning. good morning, nigel. my question to — morning. good morning, nigel. my question to you _ morning. good morning, nigel. my question to you was, _ morning. good morning, nigel. my question to you was, what - morning. good morning, nigel. my question to you was, what are - morning. good morning, nigel. my question to you was, what are yourj question to you was, what are your plans— question to you was, what are your plans for— question to you was, what are your plans for the prison service, and in particular— plans for the prison service, and in particular it— plans for the prison service, and in particular it tp sentencing. do you know _ particular it tp sentencing. do you know much — particular it tp sentencing. do you know much about it? | particular it tp sentencing. do you know much about it?— know much about it? i don't know much about _ know much about it? i don't know much about it, _ know much about it? i don't know much about it, i _ know much about it? i don't know much about it, i know— know much about it? i don't know much about it, i know a _ know much about it? i don't know much about it, i know a bit - know much about it? i don't know much about it, i know a bit about| much about it, i know a bit about the prison service because of the number of prison officers who have

e—mailed me in the last couple of years, saying how depressed they are, working in the sector. it would appeara are, working in the sector. it would appear a lot of prisons are falling into victorian disrepair. haste appear a lot of prisons are falling into victorian disrepair.— into victorian disrepair. we need more of them? _ into victorian disrepair. we need more of them? i _ into victorian disrepair. we need more of them? ithink— into victorian disrepair. we need more of them? i think there - into victorian disrepair. we need more of them? i think there is l into victorian disrepair. we need| more of them? i think there is no doubt about _ more of them? i think there is no doubt about it. _ more of them? i think there is no doubt about it. the _ more of them? i think there is no j doubt about it. the imprisonment more of them? i think there is no - doubt about it. the imprisonment for ublic doubt about it. the imprisonment for public protection, _ doubt about it. the imprisonment for public protection, it _ doubt about it. the imprisonment for public protection, it is _ doubt about it. the imprisonment for public protection, it is a _ doubt about it. the imprisonment for public protection, it is a sentence - public protection, it is a sentence added _ public protection, it is a sentence added on — public protection, it is a sentence added on when people get a life sentence. there are thousands of prisoners— sentence. there are thousands of prisoners that are held on and ipp sentence — prisoners that are held on and ipp sentence. it claimant with tony blair, _ sentence. it claimant with tony blair, -- — sentence. it claimant with tony blair, —— came in with tony blair, there _ blair, —— came in with tony blair, there are — blair, —— came in with tony blair, there are people who are sitting there _ there are people who are sitting there with no release date. we need everybody's help. you have not got a clue about— everybody's help. you have not got a clue about this ipp sentencing, they don't _ clue about this ipp sentencing, they don't know— clue about this ipp sentencing, they don't know it exists. there are nearly— don't know it exists. there are nearly 3000 prisoners still inside. 40% haven't ever been released and it is costing — 40% haven't ever been released and it is costing billions.—

it is costing billions. short sentences, _ it is costing billions. short sentences, or _ it is costing billions. short sentences, or people - it is costing billions. short sentences, or people who | it is costing billions. short . sentences, or people who are it is costing billions. short - sentences, or people who are not incarcerated in the first place? some people are sentenced for minor offences— some people are sentenced for minor offences that get a two year sentence and they are still in their ten years— sentence and they are still in their ten years later. sentence and they are still in their ten years later-— sentence and they are still in their ten years later. nobody can claim to know anything _ ten years later. nobody can claim to know anything till _ ten years later. nobody can claim to know anything till it _ ten years later. nobody can claim to know anything till it everything, - know anything till it everything, you have opened your eyes to something. i you have opened your eyes to something-— you have opened your eyes to something._ i i you have opened your eyes to l something._ i will something. i hope i have. iwill look at that. _ something. i hope i have. iwill look at that, thank— something. i hope i have. iwill look at that, thank you. - something. i hope i have. iwill look at that, thank you. what l something. i hope i have. iwill look at that, thank you. what i | something. i hope i have. iwill- look at that, thank you. what i will generally say about crime, you can now go shoplifting, provided unique less than 200 quid of stuff, you're not going to get prosecuted. i understand that, i understand that the prison— the prison service is therefore when you break— the prison service is therefore when you break the law. you're put in prison— you break the law. you're put in prison because you break the law, you get— prison because you break the law, you get a — prison because you break the law, you get a sentence, you served your sentence. — you get a sentence, you served your sentence, you get released, hopefully rehabilitated. rehabilitation is another thing. they— rehabilitation is another thing. they did — rehabilitation is another thing. they did bring new amendments in april this _ they did bring new amendments in april this year, but it's not enough _ april this year, but it's not enough. these amendments have not been made _ enough. these amendments have not been made law. more should be done to provide _ been made law. more should be done to provide more support and progress the release _ to provide more support and progress the release of ipp prisoners stuck

in the _ the release of ipp prisoners stuck in the system. more needs to be done to provide _ in the system. more needs to be done to provide support. | in the system. more needs to be done to provide support-— to provide support. i want to ask ou a to provide support. i want to ask you a question. _ to provide support. i want to ask you a question, because - to provide support. i want to ask you a question, because you - to provide support. i want to ask. you a question, because you know more about this. what percentage do you think of those that go to prison do come out rehabilitated? i you think of those that go to prison do come out rehabilitated?- do come out rehabilitated? i think it is lower than _ do come out rehabilitated? i think it is lower than it _ do come out rehabilitated? i think it is lower than it should _ do come out rehabilitated? i think it is lower than it should be. - do come out rehabilitated? i think it is lower than it should be. i - it is lower than it should be. i think— it is lower than it should be. i think now. _ it is lower than it should be. i think now, the resources are terrible _ think now, the resources are terrible i_ think now, the resources are terrible. i think it needs looking out on — terrible. i think it needs looking out on a — terrible. i think it needs looking out on a massive scale. that needs a reshuffle _ out on a massive scale. that needs a reshuffle as — out on a massive scale. that needs a reshuffle as well as anything else. we know— reshuffle as well as anything else. we know this. interesting. i.�*i we know this. interesting. 1.1 billion is being spent on ipp prisoners. do billion is being spent on ipp prisoners— billion is being spent on ipp risoners. , , prisoners. do you support nigel fara'? i prisoners. do you support nigel farai? i agree _ prisoners. do you support nigel faraj? i agree with _ prisoners. do you support nigel faraj? i agree with a _ prisoners. do you support nigel faraj? i agree with a lot - prisoners. do you support nigel faraj? i agree with a lot of - prisoners. do you support nigelj faraj? i agree with a lot of what prisoners. do you support nigel. faraj? i agree with a lot of what he sa s, faraj? i agree with a lot of what he says. which — faraj? i agree with a lot of what he says. which is _ faraj? i agree with a lot of what he says, which is why _ faraj? i agree with a lot of what he says, which is why i _ faraj? i agree with a lot of what he says, which is why i have _ faraj? i agree with a lot of what he says, which is why i have given - faraj? i agree with a lot of what he j says, which is why i have given this question _ says, which is why i have given this question it's— says, which is why i have given this question. it's important.— says, which is why i have given this

question. it's important. thank you. learn about — question. it's important. thank you. learn about it. _ question. it's important. thank you. learn about it, get _ question. it's important. thank you. learn about it, get in _ question. it's important. thank you. learn about it, get in touch - question. it's important. thank you. learn about it, get in touch with - learn about it, get in touch with me, _ learn about it, get in touch with nae. get— learn about it, get in touch with me, get this number before you leave _ me, get this number before you leave. there are thousands of families— leave. there are thousands of families out there that feel the same _ families out there that feel the same way. families out there that feel the same way-— families out there that feel the same way. families out there that feel the samewa. ,~, ,. same way. everyday is a school day, shau same way. everyday is a school day, shall we put — same way. everyday is a school day, shall we put you _ same way. everyday is a school day, shall we put you in _ same way. everyday is a school day, shall we put you in touch _ shall we put you in touch afterwards?— shall we put you in touch afterwards? ,, ., , , ~ ., , shall we put you in touch afterwards? ,, ., , , ~ ., ., afterwards? she honestly knows a lot about it. chris. _ afterwards? she honestly knows a lot about it. chris, how— afterwards? she honestly knows a lot about it. chris, how are _ afterwards? she honestly knows a lot about it. chris, how are you - afterwards? she honestly knows a lot about it. chris, how are you doing? i about it. chris, how are you doing? i'm rood, about it. chris, how are you doing? i'm good, thanks. _ about it. chris, how are you doing? i'm good, thanks. sorry. _ about it. chris, how are you doing? i'm good, thanks. sorry. thank- about it. chris, how are you doing? i'm good, thanks. sorry. thank you for having _ i'm good, thanks. sorry. thank you for having me on. it i'm good, thanks. sorry. thank you for having me on.— for having me on. it down so you have drifted _ for having me on. it down so you have drifted off, _ for having me on. it down so you have drifted off, it _ for having me on. it down so you have drifted off, it is _ for having me on. it down so you have drifted off, it is fascinating| have drifted off, it is fascinating stuff. ., , , . stuff. no, very interesting, that oint. stuff. no, very interesting, that point- thanks — stuff. no, very interesting, that point. thanks for _ stuff. no, very interesting, that point. thanks for having - stuff. no, very interesting, that point. thanks for having my - stuff. no, very interesting, that| point. thanks for having my call, hello, _ point. thanks for having my call, hello, nigel. ijust wanted to ask a question— hello, nigel. ijust wanted to ask a question about government waste, because _ question about government waste, because the website states that you can make _ because the website states that you can make £91 billion in cuts, based on pretty— can make £91 billion in cuts, based on pretty much waste, and i want to know— on pretty much waste, and i want to know if— on pretty much waste, and i want to know if this — on pretty much waste, and i want to know if this is a realistic number. i would _ know if this is a realistic number. i would question some of the maths within— i would question some of the maths within there. i would just like to ask what— within there. i would just like to ask what waste means. that would mean saving _ ask what waste means. that would mean saving £5 — ask what waste means. that would mean saving £5 and _ ask what waste means. that would mean saving £5 and every - ask what waste means. that would mean saving £5 and every £100, i ask what waste means. that would - mean saving £5 and every £100, some very big cuts, by the way, to

whitehall departments, they will scream and shout and fight against it. of course they will. everybody that works anywhere in the public sector talks about the for a nominal amount of waste. i think this begins in whitehall, where we have this office in whitehall, people only working two or three days a week. they work from home culture. it feels like the civil service runs the government in this country, rather than the other way round. yes, we would have some fairly tough things to say to the civil service about the way that they operate on the ways in which our money is spent. eitherway, it counts the ways in which our money is spent. either way, it counts on a national level, look around the country, the number of local councils going bust as well because they are not managing public money correctly. i they are not managing public money correctl . .., �* they are not managing public money correctl . �* correctly. i can't disagree necessarily _ correctly. i can't disagree necessarily with - correctly. i can't disagree necessarily with the - correctly. i can't disagree l necessarily with the waist, correctly. i can't disagree - necessarily with the waist, 91 billion— necessarily with the waist, 91 billion is— necessarily with the waist, 91 billion is essentially 10%, maybe 8%, billion is essentially 10%, maybe 8%. rough— billion is essentially 10%, maybe 8%, rough maths in my head. if we are talking — 8%, rough maths in my head. if we are talking about huge numbers of

payments — are talking about huge numbers of payments out of the total government spend _ payments out of the total government spend are _ payments out of the total government spend are going to be pension payments, benefit payments, universal credit, the nhs. once you have factored those sort of things in, assuming you're not talking about— in, assuming you're not talking about cutting things like pensions and nhs — about cutting things like pensions and nhs staff, we are not talking about _ and nhs staff, we are not talking about £5 — and nhs staff, we are not talking about £5 in £100, we are talking about— about £5 in £100, we are talking about a — about £5 in £100, we are talking about a big percentage. this is why i wonder. _ about a big percentage. this is why i wonder. in— about a big percentage. this is why i wonder, in terms of the numbers, the concept — i wonder, in terms of the numbers, the concept of waste is not what i'm necessarily— the concept of waste is not what i'm necessarily questioning. it is the concept of waste is not what i'm necessarily questioning.— necessarily questioning. it is a com - lex necessarily questioning. it is a complex issue. _ necessarily questioning. it is a complex issue. because - necessarily questioning. it is a complex issue. because it - necessarily questioning. it is a complex issue. because it is. l necessarily questioning. it is a - complex issue. because it is. easier said than done, _ complex issue. because it is. easier said than done, like _ complex issue. because it is. easier said than done, like when _ complex issue. because it is. easier said than done, like when people i complex issue. because it is. easier| said than done, like when people say they will clampdown on tax avoidance. i they will clampdown on tax avoidance.— they will clampdown on tax avoidance. ~ ., avoidance. i know, as i say, if you o-ened avoidance. i know, as i say, if you opened up — avoidance. i know, as i say, if you opened up an— avoidance. i know, as i say, if you opened up an anonymous - avoidance. i know, as i say, if you opened up an anonymous call - avoidance. i know, as i say, if you| opened up an anonymous call lying avoidance. i know, as i say, if you - opened up an anonymous call lying on your show and asked people in public services, do they say waste, i think you be amazed by the response you got. you be amazed by the response you not. . ~ you be amazed by the response you not. ., ~' , ., you be amazed by the response you not. . ~ , ., , you be amazed by the response you not. . , �*, you be amazed by the response you got. thank you, chris. let's go to allen. a got. thank you, chris. let's go to

allen- a very _ got. thank you, chris. let's go to allen. a very quick _ got. thank you, chris. let's go to allen. a very quick one _ got. thank you, chris. let's go to allen. a very quick one for - got. thank you, chris. let's go to allen. a very quick one for you, l got. thank you, chris. let's go to l allen. a very quick one for you, the debates last night, many people see you as persona non grata, of all of the other party leaders in the debates, who was the friendliest to you? i debates, who was the friendliest to ou? ., , ., ,, you? i found flynn from the snp the most human- _ you? i found flynn from the snp the most human. having _ you? i found flynn from the snp the most human. having a _ you? i found flynn from the snp the most human. having a bit _ you? i found flynn from the snp the most human. having a bit of - you? i found flynn from the snp the most human. having a bit of craic. most human. having a bit of craic with him backstage _ most human. having a bit of craic with him backstage question - most human. having a bit of craic with him backstage question not| most human. having a bit of craicj with him backstage question not i most human. having a bit of craic- with him backstage question not i am sure if ou with him backstage question not i am sure if you went— with him backstage question not i am sure if you went out _ with him backstage question not i an sure if you went out with angela rayner, she would be a lot of fun. he was friendly towards you? how was penny mordaunt towards you? she looked penny mordaunt towards you? ’sia: looked like penny mordaunt towards you? 5ia: looked like a penny mordaunt towards you? 5“ia: looked like a frightened rabbit and did not want to see me, not surprising, given the poles. it is important, you said earlier on that you get a lot of people on the show that love me or hate me. —— the polls. it is important that we get back to why we actually do this. we do this because we can settle things through debate, sometimes heated, and then ultimately a decision gets made at the ballot box and we respect that decision. when i go out

and walk through barnsley market, or wherever i am, and iface and walk through barnsley market, or wherever i am, and i face violence on people throwing things at me, thatis on people throwing things at me, that is not the way that it should be. ., . . , ., , “ that is not the way that it should be. ~ ., be. unacceptable. allen, hello, alan. hi. _ be. unacceptable. allen, hello, alan. hi, there. _ be. unacceptable. allen, hello, alan. hi, there. and _ be. unacceptable. allen, hello, alan. hi, there. and i— be. unacceptable. allen, hello, alan. hi, there. and i live, - be. unacceptable. allen, hello,| alan. hi, there. and i live, now? hi, alan. hi, there. and i live, now? hi. nigel- _ alan. hi, there. and i live, now? hi, nigel. thanks— alan. hi, there. and i live, now? hi, nigel. thanks for— alan. hi, there. and i live, now? hi, nigel. thanks for having - alan. hi, there. and i live, now? hi, nigel. thanks for having me | alan. hi, there. and i live, now? i hi, nigel. thanks for having me on. i want _ hi, nigel. thanks for having me on. i want to— hi, nigel. thanks for having me on. i want to speak for my sister, who can't _ i want to speak for my sister, who can't speak— i want to speak for my sister, who can't speak for herself now, she has enjoyed _ can't speak for herself now, she has enjoyed the — can't speak for herself now, she has enjoyed the best care in the uk for thyroid _ enjoyed the best care in the uk for thyroid cancer. she listens to her debate _ thyroid cancer. she listens to her debate last night, and she is terrified, _ debate last night, and she is terrified, because the care that she received _ terrified, because the care that she received in — terrified, because the care that she received in the local cancer hospital— received in the local cancer hospital was delivered by a majority of non—white uk specialists, now you have views _ of non—white uk specialists, now you have views on immigration, i witnessed _ have views on immigration, i witnessed it when i went to the facility —

witnessed it when i went to the facility with her provocations com you have — facility with her provocations com you have ideas of the immigration of foreigners. _ you have ideas of the immigration of foreigners, and speaking for my sister, — foreigners, and speaking for my sister, she _ foreigners, and speaking for my sister, she is terrified that your ideas _ sister, she is terrified that your ideas will— sister, she is terrified that your ideas will be a wrecking ball to the nhs, _ ideas will be a wrecking ball to the nhs, that— ideas will be a wrecking ball to the nhs, that they are not thought out, not costed, — nhs, that they are not thought out, not costed, what can you say to reassure — not costed, what can you say to reassure her?— not costed, what can you say to reassure her? first things first, i am pleased _ reassure her? first things first, i am pleased that _ reassure her? first things first, i am pleased that she _ reassure her? first things first, i am pleased that she has - reassure her? first things first, i am pleased that she has had - reassure her? first things first, i am pleased that she has had a i reassure her? first things first, i- am pleased that she has had a great cancer care. iwas am pleased that she has had a great cancer care. i was a cancer patient with the nhs and didn't have a great experience, so it sort of depends where you go. what i would say to her is this, i will tell you what is a scandal, the number of people who go through training in the united kingdom, all the way of the consultant level in some cases, who then leave the country and go for better paid jobs in australia or america. i think we tell if i go if we invest a lot of money on public servants, they owe us at least five years of their time. mina; servants, they owe us at least five years of their time.— years of their time. why are they leavin: ? years of their time. why are they leaving? the _ years of their time. why are they leaving? the money _ years of their time. why are they leaving? the money is _ years of their time. why are they leaving? the money is better - leaving? the money is better elsewhere. — leaving? the money is better elsewhere, particularly - leaving? the money is better - elsewhere, particularly australia. if you are a doctor or nurse, the money in australia is almost double what you get yer. i understand their personal view, what you get yer. i understand their personalview, but what you get yer. i understand their personal view, but if we addressed a huge amount of money and people,

they should give time back. that's a fair contract. when it comes to doctors and nurses were taken overseas, very often we take them from countries that are very, very poor countries, where undoubtedly they are needed far more there than they are needed far more there than they are needed far more there than they are here. there is a moral aspect to it. for some reason, even people with three as at a level have been denied places at medical school. ., . �* school. you haven't said anything about how _ school. you haven't said anything about how your _ school. you haven't said anything about how your ideas _ school. you haven't said anything about how your ideas on - school. you haven't said anything - about how your ideas on immigration and foreigners, the idea is that you want _ and foreigners, the idea is that you want to— and foreigners, the idea is that you want to put— and foreigners, the idea is that you want to put forward, how it would not damage the nhs. you want to put forward, how it would not damage the nhs.— want to put forward, how it would not damage the nhs. you are using e'orative not damage the nhs. you are using pejorative terms — not damage the nhs. you are using pejorative terms in _ not damage the nhs. you are using pejorative terms in this _ pejorative terms in this conversation, i am pejorative terms in this conversation, lam not. the pejorative terms in this conversation, i am not. the point i have made already on the show is that we have net migration at around about zero overall, there is still a huge amount of room for people with all sorts of skills come into our country. but my preference, alan, is that we remove the cap that has existed for the number of places open at medical school. goodness

only knows why we have done this. and we start to encourage people to go and learn notjust this... sight how would you encourage them? i don't think it's difficult to encourage people, i think we have been sending them to the wrong place and packing them off in huge numbers. and packing them off in huge numbers-— and packing them off in huge numbers. ., . , ., and packing them off in huge numbers. ., . . numbers. you have said we, you have been off seeing _ numbers. you have said we, you have been off seeing trump, _ numbers. you have said we, you have been off seeing trump, you _ numbers. you have said we, you have been off seeing trump, you have - numbers. you have said we, you have| been off seeing trump, you have seen an opportunity to split the vote and now you _ an opportunity to split the vote and now you are — an opportunity to split the vote and now you are sneaking around... | now you are sneaking around... i want now you are sneaking around... want to train now you are sneaking around... i want to train carpenters, plumbers, nurses, doctors, engineers. you have no idea how — nurses, doctors, engineers. you have no idea how to _ nurses, doctors, engineers. you have no idea how to do _ nurses, doctors, engineers. you have no idea how to do it. _ nurses, doctors, engineers. you have no idea how to do it. how— nurses, doctors, engineers. you have no idea how to do it. how can - nurses, doctors, engineers. you have no idea how to do it. how can people| no idea how to do it. how can people trust you? _ no idea how to do it. how can people trust you? you haven't even got a party, — trust you? you haven't even got a party. you _ trust you? you haven't even got a party, you have a limited country, you have — party, you have a limited country, you have no — party, you have a limited country, you have no interest in the uk. you 'ust you have no interest in the uk. you just want— you have no interest in the uk. you just want to — you have no interest in the uk. you just want to fill your pockets. fill just want to fill your pockets. f ii. my pockets? if i want to fill my pockets, i walk out of the studio and go straight back to gb news and do myjob there. 5m? and go straight back to gb news and do my job there-—

do my 'ob there. stay there, and don't do my job there. stay there, and don't come _ do my job there. stay there, and don't come into _ do my job there. stay there, and don't come into proper— do my job there. stay there, and| don't come into proper grown-up don't come into proper grown—up politics — don't come into proper grown—up politics |�*ll— don't come into proper grown-up olitics. �* , ., , ., , politics. i'll tell you where proper r-rown-u politics. i'll tell you where proper grown-up politics _ politics. i'll tell you where proper grown-up politics has _ politics. i'll tell you where proper grown-up politics has got - politics. i'll tell you where proper grown-up politics has got us, - politics. i'll tell you where proper grown-up politics has got us, to| politics. i'll tell you where proper. grown-up politics has got us, to the grown—up politics has got us, to the state we are in now. bill grown-up politics has got us, to the state we are in now.— state we are in now. all the best our state we are in now. all the best your sister. _ state we are in now. all the best your sister. it — state we are in now. all the best your sister, it is _ state we are in now. all the best your sister, it is brilliant - state we are in now. all the best your sister, it is brilliant she - state we are in now. all the best your sister, it is brilliant she hasj your sister, it is brilliant she has the care that she has from all of the care that she has from all of the amazing stuff. thank you very much indeed. when was the last time you cried? much indeed. when was the last time ou cried? .,, ~' much indeed. when was the last time ou cried? .,, ~ . you cried? oh, gosh. i think quite a lona you cried? oh, gosh. i think quite a long time- — you cried? oh, gosh. i think quite a long time- i— you cried? oh, gosh. i think quite a long time. i have _ you cried? oh, gosh. i think quite a long time. i have quite _ you cried? oh, gosh. i think quite a long time. i have quite a _ you cried? oh, gosh. i think quite a long time. i have quite a long - you cried? oh, gosh. i think quite a long time. i have quite a long time | long time. i have quite a long time ago. long time. i have quite a long time aro. ~ . long time. i have quite a long time an_~ ., ., long time. i have quite a long time ago-_ probably - long time. i have quite a long time ago._ probably going i long time. i have quite a long time i ago._ probably going into ago. what about? probably going into the 'unle ago. what about? probably going into the jungle on — ago. what about? probably going into the jungle on i'm _ ago. what about? probably going into the jungle on i'm a — ago. what about? probably going into the jungle on i'm a celebrity. - ago. what about? probably going into the jungle on i'm a celebrity. let's . the 'ungle on i'm a celebrity. let's io the jungle on i'm a celebrity. let's io with the jungle on i'm a celebrity. let's go with sheila _ the jungle on i'm a celebrity. let's go with sheila in _ the jungle on i'm a celebrity. let's go with sheila in newcastle. hello. hi. . , ., , go with sheila in newcastle. hello. hi. ., , , hi. rhun ap iorwerth is coming up, the leader of— hi. rhun ap iorwerth is coming up, the leader of plaid _ hi. rhun ap iorwerth is coming up, the leader of plaid cymru, - hi. rhun ap iorwerth is coming up, the leader of plaid cymru, any - the leader of plaid cymru, any questions for him? loads of stuff, wants to rejoin a customs union and single market, i will not get a response from nigel farage on that one. he wants to get rid of nuclear, very different to nigel farage, but

you can talk about 20 mph speed zones. loads of stuff with him. but what about your good self, sheila? yes, ijust want what about your good self, sheila? yes, i just want to know what nigel yes, ijust want to know what nigel thinks _ yes, ijust want to know what nigel thinks about the current state retirement pension age. if you're talkini retirement pension age. if you're talking about _ retirement pension age. if you're talking about the _ retirement pension age. if you're talking about the waspi - retirement pension age. if you're talking about the waspi women, j retirement pension age. if you're - talking about the waspi women, they have been given a rotten deal, in theory they were given notice but it was not advertised properly. i think we have to face up to a reality, all of us, if life expectancy continues to go up, the age at which people retire has to go up as well. it's funny, lord field died recently and he was the man who tony blair asked in 1987 to go away and think the unthinkable about retirement ages, and frank field came back, having thought it, and tony blair sacked him. we have done too little, too late on this. don't forget, when the retirement age for men at 65 was brought in, that was in 1908. we have to understand that if we are able we will have to work for

longer. it'sjust able we will have to work for longer. it's just a fact of life. the thing is, when the unemployment, the rate _ the thing is, when the unemployment, the rate is— the thing is, when the unemployment, the rate is apt, all the elderly people — the rate is apt, all the elderly people who are having to work until 66 or— people who are having to work until 66 or 67, _ people who are having to work until 66 or 67, may be longer, because whoever— 66 or 67, may be longer, because whoever gets it might increase that, it will— whoever gets it might increase that, it will release more jobs for younger— it will release more jobs for younger people if the older people could _ younger people if the older people could retire at a younger age. i don't _ could retire at a younger age. i don't agree with men having to work until they— don't agree with men having to work until they are 65, that should have been _ until they are 65, that should have been put _ until they are 65, that should have been put down to 60. we until they are 65, that should have been put down to 60.— until they are 65, that should have been put down to 60. we can't afford it. men been put down to 60. we can't afford it- men and — been put down to 60. we can't afford it. men and women _ been put down to 60. we can't afford it. men and women should _ been put down to 60. we can't afford it. men and women should be - been put down to 60. we can't afford it. men and women should be the - it. men and women should be the same. it. men and women should be the same- that _ it. men and women should be the same. that is _ it. men and women should be the same. that is why _ it. men and women should be the same. that is why i _ it. men and women should be the same. that is why i am _ it. men and women should be the same. that is why i am voting - it. men and women should be the same. that is why i am voting for| same. that is why i am voting for you. _ same. that is why i am voting for you. nigel. — same. that is why i am voting for you, nigel, to get the population down. _ you, nigel, to get the population down. and — you, nigel, to get the population down, and we might be able to afford for the _ down, and we might be able to afford for the people who have contributed for the people who have contributed for 40 _ for the people who have contributed for 40 years into the system, they should _ for 40 years into the system, they should be — for 40 years into the system, they should be able to retire at 60. look. — should be able to retire at 60. look, we can argue about the retirement age, the principle that if you are paid in you should get looked after at some point, of course i agree with you. in france, they are having this amazing debate as to whether they retire at 60 or 62. if you are going to have a life

expectancy of 78, there is a gap. it has been a great focus group. it is time that we say goodbye to viewers on baby television. thank you for watching. very interesting focus group this morning. n on —— on bbc television. live from london.

this is bbc news. bagpipes play. hundreds of thousands of fans descend on munich for euro 2024 — the four—week festival of football kicks off tonight with germany versus scotland. with less than three weeks to go until the general election, parties spar over tax and child benefit in the latest tv debate. a bbc investigation finds that sewage may have been illegally discharged 6,000 times by english water companies in one year. and seeing double — an asian elephant in central thailand gives birth to a rare set of twins, taking everyone by surprise. hello and welcome. we're beginning this morning

with football because the countdown is on to kick—off at euro 2024 this evening, when hosts germany take on scotland. the players have been taking part in final training ahead of the game in munich, where they've been joined by tens of thousands of fans. here's jane dougall. all ages, all walks of life. one common passion. # we are the famous tartan army and we're here in germany.# the tartan army has taken over munich, some calling it scotoberfest. # no scotland, no party.# most don't have tickets for the match against germany, but the party is for the whole family. if we are going to get germany in any game, you want them in the first game. they are going to be nervous. it's their home tournament and we are the underdogs, we've got nothing to lose. unfortunately, i've not got a ticket. i've got a few of my mates here. but, you know, it's one of those things, i'm happy to be here. one fan, craig ferguson, walked all the way from glasgow to munich for a men's mental health charity and had high hopes scotland

would also take great strides in the tournament. if we win, i did promise i would walk back. more than 200,000 scotland fans are expected at the tournament, planning to be the 12th man. like the support, we couldn't do it without them. they have pushed us over the line at times, and we hope they enjoy themselves over the next 10—11 days, because, you know, if we can perform, we'll give them plenty to shout about. and if we can do that, then, hopefully, they can stay in germany that little bit longer. and they have all travelled for this. the euros begin here at the allianz arena. scotland couldn't have asked for a higher profile match, taking on the hosts germany in their back yard and in the opening game. commentator: scotland go two in front. _ a win over spain en route to qualify for their second consecutive euros has given scotland the confidence to defeat anyone. i think we should all be proud that we are here. hopefully, at the end of this tournament, we are proud that we have achieved something a little bit more —

something a little bit more special in regards to scottish football. a win or even a draw may be a pipe dream, but it's not the dog in the fight, it's the fight in the dog. jane dougall, bbc news, munich. steve snedker and his son callum are two scotland fans who have made the journey to munich, and when i spoke to them earlier, iasked how they were feeling to be out there. feeling good, excited. it's good to be here, we've been here a few days and it's been building up nicely. really excited to get this going, hopefully. have you been to germany before? many years ago. i was a lot younger. first time in quite a while. it's been brilliant, the people of germany, the hospitality has been fantastic. didn't expect to see so many scottish fans here as well. we were in munich yesterday. what did callum just say?

can your daddy tell us. he just said, my shoe has fallen off! a great reception from the german people. tell our viewers about how you got to germany because you have been part of a convoy of people. yeah, in motorhomes. camper vans. two motorhomes left last sunday. it was ourselves and lauren's mum and her partner keith. it has been eventful! we had smoke coming out of one of the motorhomes within 20 minutes of leaving dunfermline. we carried on and made it to germany. keith's motorhome lost fifth gear. it has all been worth it to get here. but you have got there and we are showing viewers some pictures from the trip. what an adventure and what a memory to create,

especially for the children. yeah, that was the main thing, it was about the children and the memories. the last time scotland were in a european championships i was 16. i didn't go. i have waited pretty much my whole life to go. we wanted to give this opportunity to our kids to soak it up. we have had so many comments from scotland fans are saying to enjoy it, you don't know how lucky you are and we are grateful to be here. and what have the children been saying about all of this? they are buzzing, they are soaking it in, soaking it all up. just really excited. we are big football fans so to see the scotland fans singing yesterday in munich, thousands of them singing in the street, it was brilliant, absolutely spine tingling, amazing. do you have tickets for the game tonight? not got tickets for tonight but we have tickets for the next two

games so we will be going to cologne after this and then stuttgart. we have tickets for those two, but not for tonight. we'll try to get into the olympic park today. i'm sure that will be amazing. how are you feeling about scotland's chances tonight? always optimistic! obviously germany are germany, a fantastic football team with amazing players. but scotland, on their day, we showed it on the qualifiers against spain, we can match anyone. hopefully we can get something, a draw, anything we would take. but against germany, we don't expect to win but you have to be hopeful. full of hope just now. two of the huge tartan army in munich for tonight's game, the opening game of the euro 2024

championship. i hope shortly we will be able to speak to bbc 5 live breakfast presenter rick edwards who is in munich for the tournament. let's turn to the general election campaign, and with less than three weeks until polling day the prime minister rishi sunak has said he's "still fighting for every vote". last night senior figures from the seven biggest parties took part in the latest live debate, hosted by itv. among them was nigel farage, who's been buoyed by a yougov opinion poll, which puts his reform uk party in second place — ahead of the conservatives for the first time. mr farage told the bbc he believed that reform would win seats at the election, but he couldn't say how many. here's our political correspondent helen catt. familiar faces with familiar pitches. hi, i'm angela rayner, labour's deputy leader, and we have a real chance to turn the page and have change in britain. good evening, i'm penny mordaunt. i'm going to be talking to you about which of your taxes the conservatives will cut. labour will be trying not to talk about the ones they're going to put up.

but reform's nigel farage had a new claim. just before we came on air, we overtook the conservatives in the national opinion polls. we are now the opposition to labour. his claim was based on a poll for yougov, which put them one percentage point ahead of the tories for the first time. psychologically, that is significant, but it is within the margin of error and more polls would be needed to suggest a definite trend. what is clear, though, is that labour is still polling far ahead of both. and in this debate, it was noticeable that angela rayner faced more attacks than previously. angela, which of your party's . u—turns are you most proud of — the ditching of the 28 billion- climate investment plan, keeping the cruel two—child benefit cap, or one of the others? _ what i'm not proud of is that we've had 14 years of the tories and the crashing of the economy. plaid cymru pushed back on labour's choice not to lift the cap, too. and labour is refusing to. again, i ask what's happened to labour? well, again, we've said that we'd

have action on child poverty, but we will not... but you won't lift the two—child limit — a conservative policy that you are determined to press ahead with, even though it damages some of our poorest families. we will not...we will not do unfunded spending commitments. the snp questioned the future of spending under labour, while criticising the tories' handling of the economy. we've had 14 years of austerity, then we've had the damage of brexit and what that's done to the economy, the shrinking of the economy, the £40 billion worth of tax receipts which have disappeared out of the economy. and while the conservatives' penny mordaunt had one consistent accusation she wanted to level at her opponents... a vote for any other party will increase your taxes. higher taxes, higher taxes, higher taxes, higher taxes, higher taxes. what are you on about? the lib dems' daisy cooper said it was the tories that had put them up and added more costs. but the fact is that the cost—of—living crisis has been made so much worse by the mini—budget, which blew a hole in the public finances

and made people's rent and mortgages go absolutely sky high. and people have felt that hit and they are still trying to recover now. no post—show handshakes, this time. with less than three weeks to go, the gloves are off. helen catt, bbc news. 5 live has invited the leaders of the seven main parties to answer your questions directly before polling day. right now, the leader of plaid cymru, rhun ap iowerth, is taking your calls on nicky campbell's programme. we'lljoin them later this hour but you can watch the whole thing live on the bbc iplayer and the bbc news website, or listen on bbc sounds. if you've got a question to ask, you can join the conversation by texting 85058 or call or whatsapp 08085 909 693. our deputy political editor

vicki young is in puglia at the g7 summit, which the prime minister is attending, and she told us more about his thoughts on the latest yougov poll. the prime minister spoke to journalists this morning, an off—camera briefing, which he often does at these kind of summits. we asked him about that opinion poll. he said if it was replicated onjuly the 4th it would mean that sir keir starmer would be in downing street. and he said it would mean a blank cheque for labour. he said of course he hasn't given up on the election, he is fighting for every single vote, you would expect him to say that. he was pressed on whether he needed to change his election strategy because he has come up with policies, on immigration for example, on pensions, all the kinds of things he would have hoped that those thinking of voting for reform, it might have appealed to them, but it doesn't appear, if the opinion polls are right,

that that is the case. he says only two people could be prime minister, he or sir keir starmer, and he is trying to say to those people thinking of voting for reform, if you vote for them, it means labour goes into government. and the defence secretary has warned of a super majority for labour. that is not a phrase rishi sunak has decided to repeat. he says he is focused on the election and carrying on to win every vote and is saying we are only halfway through and there is a long way to go. he has had a bit of respite from the campaign trail here at the g7, mixing with other world leaders. they have been talking a lot about ukraine, they have signed off a $50 billion loan to ukraine for its military and for reconstruction. they also announced new sanctions on russia. it's interesting looking at all the photos of the world leaders, rishi sunak is not the only one struggling with popularity. a lot of them face some real

electoral challenges and may be something they have been speaking about when they have those private moments over dinner. and if you are interested in the averages in the polls, including last night's yougov poll, head to bbc.co.uk/polltracker for the latest. that pulls together data from individual polling companies to show the latest trends on how people are planning to vote. our political correspondent alicia mccarthy is in westminster. this latest yougov poll, it is interesting but it is just one pole. nonetheless it has the conservative party talking and they are obviously concerned about the impact of reform may have. concerned about the impact of reform ma have. ., �* . , , may have. you're absolutely right. it is of course _ may have. you're absolutely right. it is of course just _ may have. you're absolutely right. it is of course just one _ may have. you're absolutely right. it is of course just one poll - may have. you're absolutely right. it is of course just one poll and - may have. you're absolutely right. it is of course just one poll and is i it is of course just one poll and is within the margin of error. all of

thatis within the margin of error. all of that is the context. but of course it is something conservatives will be very concerned about. we have had a treasury minister out and about this morning saying much the same things we heard from vicki young from the prime minister, about how there are only two people who could be in number ten after this election and about how that choice is between keir starmer and rishi sunak and all about the importance, as the conservatives see it, of not giving keir starmer a blank cheque. there is concern and a bit of psychological concern, as helen was saying. we will get more from the conservatives this morning as we have laura trott, a treasury minister, out and about giving a news conference. she is due to talk about the conservatives' response to the labour manifesto we got yesterday but she will be asked more questions about this poll. teii yesterday but she will be asked more questions about this poll.— questions about this poll. tell us a bit about what _ questions about this poll. tell us a bit about what the _ questions about this poll. tell us a bit about what the other _ questions about this poll. tell us a bit about what the other main - bit about what the other main parties are up to today. it is quite a busy day- _ parties are up to today. it is quite

a busy day- we — parties are up to today. it is quite a busy day. we have _ parties are up to today. it is quite a busy day. we have already - parties are up to today. it is quite a busy day. we have already had| a busy day. we have already had labour up and about doing things, rachel reeves the shadow chancellor, and the shadow business and energy secretaryjonathan reynolds were secretary jonathan reynolds were talking secretaryjonathan reynolds were talking to business leaders. they were talking on the back of their manifesto launch yesterday. they were seeing wealth creation was their number one priority and how they were all about growth. they were talking to business leaders about how they want to do that, saying that they see their job about how they want to do that, saying that they see theirjob as unlocking the things that would stop business going. they say growth is really something for businesses and we are here to try to help you make that happen. that has been labour this morning. we also had plaid cymru, their leader appeared a couple of times on the back of their manifesto yesterday, all about getting a fairer funding manifesto yesterday, all about getting a fairerfunding dealfor wales. that's their key pledge, they say this election is all about the cost of living so they have been campaigning on that. the lib dems, we expect to hear from them today. not from sir ed davey, he will not

be falling off anything, jumping into water, all the other things we have seen him doing, but is deputy leader daisy cooper is out and about campaigning on theirfood and farming strategy, about how to improve the nutrition of the nation, how to make sure we get better food and our children and talking about improving and increasing the budget forfarming and farmers. improving and increasing the budget for farming and farmers.— for farming and farmers. alessio mccarthy. _ for farming and farmers. alessio mccarthy. thank— for farming and farmers. alessio mccarthy, thank you. _ as part of the bbc�*s your voice, your vote project — you have been sending in your election questions on a wide range of topics. this includes a number of questions on tactical voting and how it might influence the results. our analysis editor ros atkins has been looking into at this in more detail. you've been sending us your questions and comments on the election. this time we're looking at tactical voting. if you want to get in tpouch the e—mail�*s bbcyourvoice@bbc.co.uk and this is a message from phillip in bedfordshire, who writes... well, the uk has an electoral system

known as first past the post. in each constituency the candidate with the most votes becomes the mp. that system can lead to tactical voting, where a voter chooses a candidate they did not normally support to stop another candidate from winning. people are more likely to vote tactically if they support a party that is coming third in their constituency, and if they really care which of the top two parties in their constituency wins, and if they are relatively indifferent between their preferred party and one of those top two. now, luke in kent asks... well, luke, in the last two elections research shows that turnout in safe seats was similar to turnout in closely contested seats, so people do bother to vote in safe seats. in terms of how many people say they vote tactically, this chart shows us the numbers from previous general elections. in 2019 it was 14%. the next question comes from leanne

in nottinghamshire, who says... now, proportional representation is a system where the make—up of parliament mirrors the national vote. it normally leads to a greater number of smaller parties in parliament and more coalition governments. that vote in 2022 you referred to, leanne, was taken by the labour party conference as a whole, not to labour's leadership. it's currently not labour policy to introduce proportional representation. the conservatives aren't suggesting it either. smaller parties like the lib dems, greens and reform uk, though, do favour a change. under the current system their number of mps doesn't match their percentage of the national vote. in terms of public opinion, well, in a referendum in 2011, voters rejected changing the electoral system to one in which candidates are ranked in order of preference. much more recently, a new report about trust in politics has found a record 53% of voters favour

a system that's fairer to smaller parties. finally, sarah in east sussex asks that we look at the impact of tactical voting. well, analysts say that both in recent local elections and in recent parliamentary by—elections, there was evidence it was happening. either there's been big swings to the liberal democrats, and labour has gone backwards in terms of the share of the vote. or there has been a big swing to labour. either way, it looks as though people are coordinating on whichever of the two parties is best placed to defeat the conservatives. professor fisher says this pattern of tactical voting is likely to be replicated at the general election. replicated at the general election. thank you for all of your questions. if you've got one for us, please do let us know. we can return to football in the build—up to the kick off tonight in

the euro 2024 championship. let's speak to 5 live host rick edwards, who's in munich gearing up for a busy euros. how are you and how was the show this morning? it how are you and how was the show this morning?— this morning? it was terrific, actually- _ this morning? it was terrific, actually. the _ this morning? it was terrific, actually. the excitement - this morning? it was terrific, actually. the excitement is l this morning? it was terrific, - actually. the excitement is really building. there are thousands upon thousands of scotland fans in munich now. we heard there might be something like 200,000 scotland fans descending on germany, which seemed implausible, but yesterday out in the main square, which we are just a short distance from now in munich, it was heaving. there is only 10,000 tickets allocated to scotland fans. the other 190,000 fans i don't think are fast. they are so excited to be here, the first foreign major tournament in scotland have qualified for in years and they genuinely, i think, qualified for in years and they genuinely, ithink, believe qualified for in years and they genuinely, i think, believe they have a chance of getting out of the group, something they haven't done before. . ., . , ,

before. chatting to a supporter this mornini before. chatting to a supporter this morning who _ before. chatting to a supporter this morning who doesn't _ before. chatting to a supporter this morning who doesn't have - before. chatting to a supporter this morning who doesn't have a - before. chatting to a supporter this morning who doesn't have a ticket| morning who doesn't have a ticket for tonight but is thrilled to be there, be in the fan zone and soak up there, be in the fan zone and soak up the atmosphere, which looks pretty amazing. up the atmosphere, which looks pretty amazing-— pretty amazing. yeah, it is. yesterday _ pretty amazing. yeah, it is. yesterday afternoon - pretty amazing. yeah, it is. yesterday afternoon and i pretty amazing. yeah, it is. i yesterday afternoon and evening, pretty amazing. yeah, it is. - yesterday afternoon and evening, if that's anything to go by, even if you're watching the game on a screen in a pub here or out in one of the squares orfan zones, in a pub here or out in one of the squares or fan zones, it will be electric. bear in mind that munich is a huge footballing city and germany is a nation that loves football so the combination of these very passionate, excitable scotland fans, plus the germany fans, and it being the opening of the tournament, it will be sensational. i being the opening of the tournament, it will be sensational.— it will be sensational. i know you are a connoisseur _ it will be sensational. i know you are a connoisseur of _ it will be sensational. i know you are a connoisseur of the - it will be sensational. i know you are a connoisseur of the game, i it will be sensational. i know you i are a connoisseur of the game, you are a connoisseur of the game, you are not simply their reporting for 5 live. tell us your thoughts on the game tonight and what are the chances for scotland, who are clearly the underdogs but germany might be nervous, hosting this tournament, and they haven't won a big title for a while now, a decade. that's right. speaking to german

fans and german journalists, that's right. speaking to german fans and germanjournalists, the germans are not going into this tournament particularly full of confidence. theirform has been patchy. julian nagelsmann has come in and done an okjob. what patchy. julian nagelsmann has come in and done an ok job. what they need is a big, statement result tonight to spark the campaign and get everyone going. if they don't get everyone going. if they don't get that, you do wonder how this tournament will progress for them and for theirfans and tournament will progress for them and for their fans and the feeling around their camp. i think the pressure is on them. they will massively go into the game tonight as favourites, of course, but the one thing we know about how steve clarke has set up the scotland team, they are hard to play against. they might not have as much a goal threat as you would like but they are difficult to beat, they play with no fear, they have some genuinely top quality players in the middle of the park injohn mcginn and scott

mctominay. i think they will go into this without any fear and believe they could get a result. maybe a win is pushing it too far but a draw would be a terrific result for them and they will believe they can get that tonight. ids, and they will believe they can get that tonight-— that tonight. a final question. i love the feature _ that tonight. a final question. i love the feature you _ that tonight. a final question. i love the feature you have i that tonight. a final question. i love the feature you have each | love the feature you have each morning, you highlight a german phrase or word and ask everyone to go and either a guess orfind out in some way what it means. what was yesterday? it’s some way what it means. what was esterda ? �* . . some way what it means. what was esterda ? �*, . , . . , yesterday? it's a phrase that means the bear is dancing. _ yesterday? it's a phrase that means the bear is dancing. they _ yesterday? it's a phrase that means the bear is dancing. they all- yesterday? it's a phrase that means the bear is dancing. they all quite i the bear is dancing. they all quite idiomatic idiosyncratic phrases. the usage is to say that there the parties happening, the bear is absolutely dancing

here, da steppt der bar. enjoy your here, da steppt der bar. en'oy your da , rick here, da steppt der bar. en'oy your day, rick edwards. i shareholders in the electric carmaker tesla have approved a pay package for the company's chief executive, elon musk, worth up to $56 billion. he still faces a legal challenge to the deal. it was originally blocked by a judge earlier this year because of concerns about mr musk�*s influence over the board. the vote though is not binding, with the court case in delware set to continue. let's get the thoughts of georg ell, former director of western europe at tesla motors, currently ceo of phrase, a language technology firm. one of the interesting things, reading about the voting was that some of the big investors weren't keen on elon musk being awarded this massive pay package, whereas the

smaller investors, those mom—and—pop investors as they say in the us, that were backing it. it’s investors as they say in the us, that were backing it.— investors as they say in the us, that were backing it. it's true to sa that that were backing it. it's true to say that a _ that were backing it. it's true to say that a great _ that were backing it. it's true to say that a great number- that were backing it. it's true to say that a great number of- say that a great number of investors, major investors who all backed their pay package in 2018. overall i think it was 3—1 in favour and they haven't released the percentage backing this time around as far as i know.— as far as i know. what's your view ofthe as far as i know. what's your view of the deal. _ as far as i know. what's your view of the deal, is _ as far as i know. what's your view of the deal, is it _ as far as i know. what's your view of the deal, is it excessive? it i as far as i know. what's your view of the deal, is it excessive? it is i of the deal, is it excessive? it is lame. of the deal, is it excessive? it is [are i of the deal, is it excessive? it is large- i think — of the deal, is it excessive? it is large. i think we _ of the deal, is it excessive? it is large. i think we have _ of the deal, is it excessive? it 3 large. i think we have to go back to 2018 and remember how the deal looked at the time. at the time the market capitalisation was 50 billion and the deal was he would take no salary and no bonus for ten years and only start to acquire stock —based compensation if he doubled the valuation of the business to 100

billion, and then in $50 billion increments after that. at the same time he also had to increase their revenue, specific goals, and results had to be sustained. they couldn't be a mean stock, it couldn't be a run—up and collapse. it had to be a sustained performance over a long period. it was widely commented at the time that it was insane and unachievable and could never be done. it's interesting, with hindsight of course it is a lot of money but even 5 billion, 1 billion would be a lot of money. it's true he has created a huge amount of shareholder value in that period and if you bought the stock in 2018 he has at its peak 16 times the valuation. has at its peak 16 times the valuation-— has at its peak 16 times the valuation. ~ . ., , . ., valuation. what does it mean for elon musk _ valuation. what does it mean for elon musk himself— valuation. what does it mean for elon musk himself and _ valuation. what does it mean for elon musk himself and the i valuation. what does it mean for| elon musk himself and the power valuation. what does it mean for- elon musk himself and the power he can wield? it is elon musk himself and the power he can wield? . . elon musk himself and the power he can wield? , . . . ., can wield? it is a validation. i think if the — can wield? it is a validation. i think if the vote _ can wield? it is a validation. i think if the vote had - can wield? it is a validation. i think if the vote had gone i can wield? it is a validation. i i think if the vote had gone another way there would probably have been

more reflection. clearly the board and shareholders are behind him and customers must be as well because the company is doing quite well. he will need to go back to the courts i suppose and i guess he faces more of a challenge. i think he will have a confidence boost as a result of this vote. . ., confidence boost as a result of this vote. , ., . , . vote. tell us more about why and ex-lain vote. tell us more about why and explain to — vote. tell us more about why and explain to our— vote. tell us more about why and explain to our viewers _ vote. tell us more about why and explain to our viewers why i vote. tell us more about why and explain to our viewers why the i explain to our viewers why the courts are involved.— explain to our viewers why the courts are involved. there was one shareholder _ courts are involved. there was one shareholder who _ courts are involved. there was one shareholder who brought _ courts are involved. there was one shareholder who brought the i courts are involved. there was one shareholder who brought the case. courts are involved. there was one i shareholder who brought the case. i wonder if he had merely doubled the shareholding and taken no payment at all, with the case have been brought. the case seems to me a little retrospective, but one shareholder took him to court, one of many tens of thousands, i guess. thejudge sided. elon of many tens of thousands, i guess. the judge sided. elon musk took great exception to this and wants to move the headquarters of tesla from

delaware into texas and that move was approved by shareholders last night. the story will continue and he will continue to generate headlines. he he will continue to generate headlines.— he will continue to generate headlines. . ., headlines. he always does. former director of western _ headlines. he always does. former director of western europe - headlines. he always does. former director of western europe at i headlines. he always does. formerj director of western europe at tesla motors, thank you for your thoughts. before we go — some good news for you. an asian elephant in central thailand has given birth to a rare set of twins — and caretakers are describing it as a miracle. it hadn't been known that the mother, called chamchuri, was expecting twins, and after giving birth to a male calf last week, staff thought the delivery was done. but while cleaning up the first calf and helping it stand on its feet,

they heard a loud thud and realised that chamchuri had given birth to a female calf. very rare occurrence of an elephant giving to twins. as we mentioned, over on radio 5live right now — my colleague nicky campbell is putting your questions to the leader of plaid cymru, rhun ap iowerth. if you want to get in touch — here are the details for you. but for now, let's listen in. get rid of the stagnation that has been ever so long. the majority out there, i want to take them by the hand, put arm around them, say, come with us on the journey. there was an independent commission on the future of wales that reported recently, led by the former archbishop of canterbury and eminent scientist laura mcallister. there are three viable options for the future of wales, perfectly viable. more devolution, as we are, a federal system, i think the risks with that is just because of the... system, i think the risks with that isjust because of the. . ._ isjust because of the. .. gave us the third one _ isjust because of the. .. gave us the third one in _ isjust because of the. .. gave us the third one in a _ isjust because of the. .. gave us the third one in a second, i i isjust because of the. .. gave us the third one in a second, i have isjust because of the. .. gave us i the third one in a second, i have to do a bit of strictly come dancing by

saying welcome to viewers on bbc one and bbc news, joining us now. we are speaking to the leader of plaid cymru, rhun ap iorwerth, and you are talking about three feasible ways ahead for wales. run them by us again, as we have many more people with us. it again, as we have many more people with us. . . . again, as we have many more people with us. . with us. it was a report commissioned - with us. it was a report commissioned by i with us. it was a report commissioned by the i with us. it was a report i commissioned by the welsh with us. it was a report _ commissioned by the welsh covenant recently, the archbishop of canterbury, rowan williams, and political scientist laura mcallister leading that, huge engagement process across wales. there are three constitutional options which are really viable, take your pick, for the future of wales. a bit more devolution, that could be the next step. federalism, a bit difficult, because of the sheer size of england compared with wales and scotland. the other one is independence. if it is viable. there are risks with it, they said, but with risk from abroad. and, crucially, they say that there are risks with all of these options, and the risk with

where we are at now is more than a risk, it is reality, it is a child poverty. failure to grow that economy. poverty. failure to grow that economy-— poverty. failure to grow that econom . ., . , ., economy. you say in your manifesto that ou economy. you say in your manifesto that you want _ economy. you say in your manifesto that you want to _ economy. you say in your manifesto that you want to rejoin _ economy. you say in your manifesto that you want to rejoin the - economy. you say in your manifesto that you want to rejoin the customs | that you want to rejoin the customs union. is that as an independent wales, or everybody is welcome? what wales, or everybody is welcome? what do ou wales, or everybody is welcome? what do you mean? — wales, or everybody is welcome? what do you mean? after _ wales, or everybody is welcome? “transit do you mean? after brexit, wales, or everybody is welcome? “iei“isgi do you mean? after brexit, i don't want to leave the european union. wales dead. the want to leave the european union. wales dead-— want to leave the european union. wales dead. . . . , ., wales dead. the uk and wales voted to leave, wales dead. the uk and wales voted to leave. we — wales dead. the uk and wales voted to leave, we said, _ wales dead. the uk and wales voted to leave, we said, how _ wales dead. the uk and wales voted to leave, we said, how can _ wales dead. the uk and wales voted to leave, we said, how can we - wales dead. the uk and wales voted to leave, we said, how can we leave | to leave, we said, how can we leave in a way that protects our interests? we proposed then that we should stay in the customs union under single market. i think we have been proved right, that removing ourselves from the world's biggest trading bloc has been a credit he damaging to our economy. we say that still. we believe the uk should join the customs union and the single market, because this is a uk wide election. an independent wales, you know, it will make its own mind up on what its relationship should be with europe. i will say this, and it is true for wales and for the uk as a whole. ifirmly

is true for wales and for the uk as a whole. i firmly believe that we should be building the closest possible relationship with the european union, for reasons of... for social reasons, but largely for economic reasons. we've caused a huge amount of pain to ourselves. you edged back again? it huge amount of pain to ourselves. you edged back again?— you edged back again? it wasn't a vote of if you _ you edged back again? it wasn't a vote of if you want _ you edged back again? it wasn't a vote of if you want a _ you edged back again? it wasn't a vote of if you want a hard - you edged back again? it wasn't a vote of if you want a hard brexit, l vote of if you want a hard brexit, sensible brexit or stay in the eu, we were given a hard brexit by the conservatives. it didn't need to be that way and we can mitigate. iitfufha that way and we can mitigate. who have we got? _ that way and we can mitigate. who have we got? jason. _ that way and we can mitigate. who have we got? jason. there is a nigel coming up, not the one we had earlier on. jason in wrexham, good morning. earlier on. jason in wrexham, good mornini. .., ., earlier on. jason in wrexham, good mornini _ ,., ., ., earlier on. jason in wrexham, good morning-_ what - earlier on. jason in wrexham, good i morning._ what would morning. good morning. what would ou like to morning. good morning. what would you like to say? _ morning. good morning. what would you like to say? i'd _ morning. good morning. what would you like to say? i'd like _ morning. good morning. what would you like to say? i'd like to _ morning. good morning. what would you like to say? i'd like to ask - you like to say? i'd like to ask what policies _ you like to say? i'd like to ask what policies have _ you like to say? i'd like to ask what policies have plaid i you like to say? i'd like to ask what policies have plaid got . you like to say? i'd like to ask} what policies have plaid got in place — what policies have plaid got in place to — what policies have plaid got in place to make sure that people in wales_ place to make sure that people in wales have access to an nhs dentist, and in _

wales have access to an nhs dentist, and in particular what access children_ and in particular what access children have. it and in particular what access children have.— and in particular what access children have. , , i, a, children have. it must be one of the arts of children have. it must be one of the parts of the — children have. it must be one of the parts of the nhs — children have. it must be one of the parts of the nhs which _ children have. it must be one of the parts of the nhs which is _ children have. it must be one of the parts of the nhs which is struggling | parts of the nhs which is struggling most. ifind myself without parts of the nhs which is struggling most. i find myself without a dentist recently, and i have never beenin dentist recently, and i have never been in that situation in my life before. so many people find themselves in that situation. i could afford to find a private dentist because i had to. my worry is for all of those people who can't afford to find a dentist, and they have to pay a lot of money to have dental treatment with that. we are talking in terms of answers the need to properly resource the nhs. public spending cuts on a uk level have hit a people wherever they are in the uk, and it has hit us in wales. the workforce is an important part of this. we only have one dental school still in wales, so we don't have a supply of dentists coming to the system. we need to open a new dental school in bangor, possibly working with aberystwyth as well. we need to

have that supply, but we also need to make sure that within the nhs there is proper resources to look after those people who are currently having to pull their own teeth out. children having to have teeth extracted, and it is down to resource and people.- extracted, and it is down to resource and people. what do you think about _ resource and people. what do you think about that _ resource and people. what do you think about that whole _ resource and people. what do you think about that whole situation, i think about that whole situation, jason? think about that whole situation, jason? , ., , think about that whole situation, jason? , . , , ., jason? yes, that is brilliant, we live in wrexham, _ jason? yes, that is brilliant, we live in wrexham, one _ jason? yes, that is brilliant, we live in wrexham, one of- jason? yes, that is brilliant, we live in wrexham, one of the - jason? yes, that is brilliant, we - live in wrexham, one of the biggest cities _ live in wrexham, one of the biggest cities in _ live in wrexham, one of the biggest cities in north wales, and you can't -et cities in north wales, and you can't get an_ cities in north wales, and you can't get an nhs— cities in north wales, and you can't get an nhs dentist. if you can afford — get an nhs dentist. if you can afford to— get an nhs dentist. if you can afford to pay, that is fine. but we have _ afford to pay, that is fine. but we have to _ afford to pay, that is fine. but we have to travel 40 miles to liverpool, to get an nhs dentist who is willing _ liverpool, to get an nhs dentist who is willing to provide us with nhs treatment. $0 is willing to provide us with nhs treatment-— is willing to provide us with nhs treatment._ i - is willing to provide us with nhs treatment._ i talk - is willing to provide us with nhs l treatment._ i talk about treatment. 40 miles? i talk about the need to _ treatment. 40 miles? i talk about the need to make _ treatment. 40 miles? i talk about the need to make sure _ treatment. 40 miles? i talk about the need to make sure that - treatment. 40 miles? i talk about the need to make sure that we . treatment. 40 miles? i talk about i the need to make sure that we don't allow privatisation to creep into the nhs. i scratch my head sometimes about how we allowed ourselves to get to this stage where, essentially, realistically, dental treatment is not an nhs service. it

is totally privatised.— is totally privatised. absolutely. when i hear _ is totally privatised. absolutely. when i hear wes _ is totally privatised. absolutely. when i hear wes streeting, - is totally privatised. absolutely. when i hear wes streeting, the| when i hear wes streeting, the health secretary for the labour party the labour party, given that ince was over the years, when he talks in such a warm terms about welcoming the private sector. he’s welcoming the private sector. he's talkin: welcoming the private sector. he's talking about _ welcoming the private sector. he's talking about a _ welcoming the private sector. he's talking about a capacity which is urgent and vital.— talking about a capacity which is urgent and vital. there was plenty of rivate urgent and vital. there was plenty of private capacity _ urgent and vital. there was plenty of private capacity in _ urgent and vital. there was plenty of private capacity in dental - urgent and vital. there was plenty i of private capacity in dental health care in my area, which is why i was able to take my pick of however many dentists i wanted to clean my teeth, or treat my teeth. i can clean my own teeth, by the way! but to treat my teeth, somebody who can afford it. i worry about the future direction of the nhs as a whole. are we talking about the rest of the nhs being treated like dentistry? i hear more and more people being told by their gp that they need ophthalmology treatment, but they are told, can you possibly afford to

go private, because i think it would be worth your while paying a few hundred quid, rather than waiting for six months or a yearfor nhs treatment. that worries me deeply. it is good of you to get in contact, jason. thank you very much indeed. you are an emotional man. are you an emotional man? i cry all the time, films, music. and big stuff, too. i asked nigel farage the last time he cried, and he couldn't remember. something that has deeply moved you to tears? ., , ,., to tears? there was something in the ast few to tears? there was something in the past few days. _ to tears? there was something in the past few days, watching _ to tears? there was something in the past few days, watching the - to tears? there was something in the past few days, watching the rob - past few days, watching the rob burrow film. see i'm getting emotional now. thinking about it. i am emotional.— am emotional. that man was incredible. _ am emotional. that man was incredible. it _ am emotional. that man was incredible. it was _ am emotional. that man was incredible. it was incredible. | am emotional. that man was - incredible. it was incredible. not as emotional _ incredible. it was incredible. not as emotional as _ incredible. it was incredible. not as emotional as my _ incredible. it was incredible. not as emotional as my sister, - incredible. it was incredible. not as emotional as my sister, who i incredible. it was incredible. not i as emotional as my sister, who will cry out literally anything. she will give a speech at work and end up crying. but i am very emotional. what move you about rob burrow is?

he epitomised such spirit. we did a phonein he epitomised such spirit. we did a phone in on him. why rob? i he epitomised such spirit. we did a phone in on him. why rob?- phone in on him. why rob? i could 'ust phone in on him. why rob? i could just identify _ phone in on him. why rob? i could just identify with _ phone in on him. why rob? i could just identify with so _ phone in on him. why rob? i could just identify with so much - phone in on him. why rob? i could just identify with so much of- phone in on him. why rob? i could just identify with so much of his . just identify with so much of his life, he had such a beautiful family, such an amazing outlook on his awful situation, and his family were so strong. and there are things in life that give me perspective. that was one of those things that gave me perspective. i am an emotional person. and i think that is a healthy thing. i don't think it's healthy for a politician to extract themselves from those things like emotion that should absolutely take a powerful place in our lives.

but i often find myself feeling emotional in the welsh parliament even,in emotional in the welsh parliament even, in the senedd, if i am talking about issues, the pain that people i represent are going through. yes. i am emotional. but that documentary was immensely powerful. what a beautiful man.— was immensely powerful. what a beautiful man. ezri, in barry. how are ou? beautiful man. ezri, in barry. how are you? i — beautiful man. ezri, in barry. how are you? i am _ beautiful man. ezri, in barry. how are you? i am well, _ beautiful man. ezri, in barry. how are you? i am well, how- beautiful man. ezri, in barry. how are you? i am well, how are - beautiful man. ezri, in barry. how are you? i am well, how are you? | are you? i am well, how are you? it's been — are you? i am well, how are you? it's been a _ are you? i am well, how are you? it's been a busy _ are you? i am well, how are you? it's been a busy morning. - are you? i am well, how are you? it's been a busy morning. but - are you? i am well, how are you? it's been a busy morning. but it's| it's been a busy morning. but it's not about me, it's about you. what would you like to say?— would you like to say? from observation, _ would you like to say? from observation, being - would you like to say? from observation, being in - would you like to say? from| observation, being in wales, would you like to say? from - observation, being in wales, i've seen— observation, being in wales, i've seen a _ observation, being in wales, i've seen a iot— observation, being in wales, i've seen a lot of renewable energy being installed _ seen a lot of renewable energy being installed all over our farmland. when _ installed all over our farmland. when it— installed all over our farmland. when it comes to farmland, the farmland — when it comes to farmland, the farmland needs to be for producing food _ farmland needs to be for producing food my— farmland needs to be for producing food. my fear, and i think it is genuinely— food. my fear, and i think it is

genuinely the case, by literally covering — genuinely the case, by literally covering places like wales with renewable energy, which sounds great, _ renewable energy, which sounds great, we — renewable energy, which sounds great, we are literally shifting the problem — great, we are literally shifting the problem to another part of the planet — problem to another part of the planet if— problem to another part of the planet. if we limit our ability to grow— planet. if we limit our ability to grow food, at home, we are going to have to _ grow food, at home, we are going to have to import it. currently, there are no— have to import it. currently, there are no massive containerships that use purely— are no massive containerships that use purely electric engines. everything isjust going to burn more _ everything isjust going to burn more petroleum products, to shift food from — more petroleum products, to shift food from one part of the planet to another _ food from one part of the planet to another part of the planet. and we need _ another part of the planet. and we need to— another part of the planet. and we need to start looking at this from a very snrart — need to start looking at this from a very smart perspective, and look at better— very smart perspective, and look at better ways — very smart perspective, and look at better ways of deploying energy. you have iust _ better ways of deploying energy. you have just got to look at the city is the towns — have just got to look at the city is the towns. rooftop after rooftop without — the towns. rooftop after rooftop without solar panels on them. the cities _ without solar panels on them. the cities and — without solar panels on them. the cities and towns need to take far more _ cities and towns need to take far more of— cities and towns need to take far more of the responsibility if we are also going — more of the responsibility if we are also going to maintain food

security _ also going to maintain food security. and that is the only way we can— security. and that is the only way we can do— security. and that is the only way we can do it. london, for example, it has— we can do it. london, for example, it has huge — we can do it. london, for example, it has huge amounts of green spaces which _ it has huge amounts of green spaces which are _ it has huge amounts of green spaces which are vitally important for the people _ which are vitally important for the people who live there, for health and well—being, to try and maintain microclimates there. but you could shove _ microclimates there. but you could shove a _ microclimates there. but you could shove a couple of wind farms, wind turbines _ shove a couple of wind farms, wind turbines in — shove a couple of wind farms, wind turbines in hyde park, couldn't you? you are _ turbines in hyde park, couldn't you? you are absolutely right. i held a meeting with one solar farm developer in my constituency recently, and one of the questions that i am constituents asked was, why do it here? why not do it in derelict, industrial sites, why do it here? why not do it in derelict, industrialsites, or brownfield sites. the answer was quite honest, but quite telling. it's cheaper here. it's cheaper for them to put solar on farmland. in them to put solar on farmland. in the same meeting, somebody, i can't remember who it was, asked, give us one advantage to our community of

your solar farm one advantage to our community of your solarfarm being developed here. the answer they gave was less agricultural traffic. less agricultural traffic. less agricultural traffic. less agricultural traffic means fewer people working in agriculture, the loss of the economic elements of agriculture. i have a son who is studying agriculture at university, at harper adams university, my family, my wife's family are farmers. we need to be using our land, as welsh farmers and uk farmers do, as effectively as possible, to grow food. there are so many innovative ways of doing solar and renewable energy, including, as you say, in towns and cities. and you say, in towns and cities. and protecting _ you say, in towns and cities. and protecting biodiversity at the same time? ._ ., �* , protecting biodiversity at the same time? ., �*, .,, protecting biodiversity at the same time? ., �*, , ., , ., . time? ray farmer's 'ob is to protect our time? ray farmer's 'ob is to protect biodiversity. — time? ray farmer's job is to protect our biodiversity, every _ time? ray farmer's job is to protect our biodiversity, every farmer - time? ray farmer's job is to protect our biodiversity, every farmer i - our biodiversity, every farmer i know is deadly serious about doing all they can to protect and nurture nature. ., ., all they can to protect and nurture nature. ., ~' , ., , all they can to protect and nurture nature. ., ,, ,, , . nature. thank you very much indeed. i the love languages _ nature. thank you very much indeed. i the love languages of— nature. thank you very much indeed. i the love languages of these - i the love languages of these islands as well. i had a privileged

situation once, there was an old fellow, two old fellows, one of them spoke gaelic and the old fella was a crofter, and they were speaking to each other like a norwegian and a swede, with slight changes. it says so much about the history of our peoples on the movement of our peoples. i love the welsh line which is well. do you dream in welsh or english? i is well. do you dream in welsh or enilish? ., ., , is well. do you dream in welsh or enilish? . . , ., ., is well. do you dream in welsh or enilish? . ., ., . , english? i am a first language welsh s-eaker, i english? i am a first language welsh speaker. i do — english? i am a first language welsh speaker, i do everything _ english? i am a first language welsh speaker, i do everything in - english? i am a first language welsh speaker, i do everything in welsh. . speaker, i do everything in welsh. luckily my english has come along quite well as well, i guess we are native english speakers too. it is something that means a lot to me, should be able to work, they worked as a broadcaster in two languages, it my broadcasting career, hopefully, being able to work in two languages. another door is opened to another world when you are able to think and converse, and communicate in another language. also, it is a

means to learn more languages. if you have a concept in your mind of what language is, then learning a third or a fourth, my wife speaks fluent french, italian, a little bit of spanish as well. and the factory is bilingual in welsh and english is useful as a starting point. i don't think being able to speak both languages should be the preserve of people who are lucky enough to have welsh as a first language. i think every child in wales should have the right to be given the skills to converse in welsh and english by the time they get to 16. you have to study welsh until you are 16. too many pupils are not able to use welsh by the time they get to 16. imagine if you were studying maths up imagine if you were studying maths up to 16, and you leave school at 16 and you can't do any maths at all, that would be considered to be a massive failure of the education system. so we need to strengthen the education system so that everybody has the right to have those

bilingual skills in wales. speaking mandarin, quids _ bilingual skills in wales. speaking mandarin, quids in, _ bilingual skills in wales. speaking | mandarin, quids in, understanding the nuance of that. we have faisa. i would like to ask why he removed his support— would like to ask why he removed his support for— would like to ask why he removed his support for the candidate standing in cardiff— support for the candidate standing in cardiff south and penarth. thank ou for the in cardiff south and penarth. thank you for the call. _ in cardiff south and penarth. thank you for the call. this _ in cardiff south and penarth. thank you for the call. this was _ in cardiff south and penarth. thank you for the call. this was a - you for the call. this was a decision madejust you for the call. this was a decision made just before the close of nominations.— of nominations. decisions political iarties of nominations. decisions political parties have _ of nominations. decisions political parties have to — of nominations. decisions political parties have to make. _ of nominations. decisions political parties have to make. this - of nominations. decisions political parties have to make. this was . of nominations. decisions political parties have to make. this was in | parties have to make. this was in relation to the activities of an individual on social media, an individual on social media, an individual who i have an enormous amount of respect for, but as politicians, we have to take responsibility.— politicians, we have to take responsibility. it responsibility. will today say? it was in relation _ responsibility. will today say? it was in relation to _ responsibility. will today say? it was in relation to the _ responsibility. will today say? it was in relation to the situation l responsibility. will today say? it| was in relation to the situation in

gaza. ., , , was in relation to the situation in gaza-_ we i was in relation to the situation in gaza. ., , , we did gaza. -- what did they say? we did not believe — gaza. -- what did they say? we did not believe that _ gaza. -- what did they say? we did not believe that some _ gaza. -- what did they say? we did not believe that some of _ gaza. -- what did they say? we did not believe that some of the - not believe that some of the engagements of the individual were in tune with plaid cymru's views. we made the decision very swiftly that we could not endorse the individual. faaiza? sonic mac i think that's a really helpful explanation, from my perspective and other people who may hold pro—palestinian views, and also who are from an ethnic minority and who are from an ethnic minority and from a muslim _ who are from an ethnic minority and from a muslim heritage, we are a disenfranchised community who are often _ disenfranchised community who are often used — disenfranchised community who are often used for photos, abused, then discarded _ often used for photos, abused, then discarded. sometimes it feels like we are _ discarded. sometimes it feels like we are held to an extremely high standard — we are held to an extremely high standard that other people are not. was she _ standard that other people are not. was she given grace, was there a good _ was she given grace, was there a good investigation? it makes me question— good investigation? it makes me question the integrity of plaid cymru — question the integrity of plaid cymru. can you help me understand why i_ cymru. can you help me understand why i can _ cymru. can you help me understand why i can trust you again, and other people _ why i can trust you again, and other people like —

why i can trust you again, and other people like me can trust you and vote for— people like me can trust you and vote for you again? for people like me can trust you and vote for you again?— people like me can trust you and vote for you again? for people who don't know — vote for you again? for people who don't know the _ vote for you again? for people who don't know the situation, _ vote for you again? for people who don't know the situation, let - vote for you again? for people who don't know the situation, let me i don't know the situation, let me explain. this particular individual likes to posts describing hamas as the resistance, and they like to posts from nick griffin, who, given his history of anti—semitism, and he cannot sue me for that, he takes a position on that as well. for different reasons, perhaps, you could argue. i will give you the list of candidates shortly. it is useful that — list of candidates shortly. it is useful that you _ list of candidates shortly. it 3 useful that you summed it up in that way, nicky. as i said, faaiza, i think all of us who are politicians or aspire to be politicians have to expect to be held to the highest standards, or the highest levels of scrutiny. we have to uphold our views as a party. you and i may have

been together in pro—palestinian protests in cardiff, standing up for the rights of palestinian people and arguing the case for leaders in politics in the uk to change their shameful stance of somehow ignoring what is going on in gaza. plaid cymru tabled a motion in parliament last autumn, calling for the ceasefire, assuming we would be getting labour members to support us. and itjust didn't happen because keir starmer, for whatever reason, was too scared of saying what was right in relation to gaza and the tens of thousands of people that have lost their lives. when it comes to candidates in elections, i think most people on this one absolutely understand that, as a party, there was no option. thank ou, as party, there was no option. thank you. as well- _ party, there was no option. thank you, as well. can _ party, there was no option. thank you, as well. can i _ party, there was no option. thank you, as well. can i make - party, there was no option. thank you, as well. can i make one - party, there was no option. thank| you, as well. can i make one quick comment. — you, as well. can i make one quick comment, please? _ you, as well. can i make one quick comment, please? i— you, as well. can i make one quick comment, please? ijust— you, as well. can i make one quick comment, please? ijust wanted i you, as well. can i make one quick| comment, please? ijust wanted to clarify. _ comment, please? ijust wanted to clarify. i— comment, please? ijust wanted to clarify, i absolutely condemn all forms _ clarify, ! absolutely condemn all forms of— clarify, i absolutely condemn all forms of anti—semitism, and i absolutely condemn the horrible,

horrific _ absolutely condemn the horrible, horrific acts of hamas. i wanted to make _ horrific acts of hamas. i wanted to make it _ horrific acts of hamas. i wanted to make it absolutely clear. my question _ make it absolutely clear. my question is about the wider political— question is about the wider political context of the removal of the candidate. thank you very much. thank— the candidate. thank you very much. thank you _ the candidate. thank you very much. thank you very much. cardiff south and penarth, labour is stephen doherty, i know stephen. sorry, i have mispronounced his name. simon irrelevant for microphone uk. the candidates for that particular constituency. what was this toxic culture, on a slightly more negative topic, your former leader resigned over it? this

was a report — former leader resigned over it? this was a report we _ former leader resigned over it? tn 3 was a report we commissioned and it came back, it was painful reading. what was happening? it came back, it was painful reading. what was happening?— came back, it was painful reading. what was happening? it was about a feelini that what was happening? it was about a feeling that somehow _ what was happening? it was about a feeling that somehow we _ what was happening? it was about a feeling that somehow we were - what was happening? it was about a feeling that somehow we were not l feeling that somehow we were not taking seriously our responsibility is to make ourselves as welcoming and safe feeling a party as it could be for women, for others who wanted to engage with us. but they were perhaps not making that decision, for whatever reason. the cbi went through similar things, sporting organisations, other political parties. we did it. and it was painful reading. and the 82 recommendations that were made, things that we should change, procedurally, the attitude within the party, when i put my name forward for the party leadership a year ago, that was the first thing i said, that i was very, very serious about implementing the

recommendations of the project, because it is about making it a party for everybody. here we are a year later, the 82 recommendations have been implement it. but it's not just about ticking them off, one by one, getting to number 82 and then moving them not go on and saying, where were we? i take very, very seriously the ongoing responsibility of making sure that we are a welcoming and opening party. people tell me that things feel different. i want to believe them, but better ask other people. i think have changed. ask other people. i think have chan . ed. , ask other people. i think have chanied. , w' , ask other people. i think have chanied. , «g ask other people. i think have chanied. , ,, changed. very quickly, your sister -a in changed. very quickly, your sister party in scotland. _ changed. very quickly, your sister party in scotland, their— changed. very quickly, your sister party in scotland, their positions i party in scotland, their positions on this and the controversies, in a sentence, where are you on self id? again, i tend to base my politics on respect. the vast majority of women are born in biologicalfemale

bodies, and some feel they have been in the wrong body, a small minority. i believe in supporting and respecting people's choices. we also have to be respectful of other people's concerns. but as with so much, societally, we change and learn. i'm on a learning curve every single day. a woman should have the right to decide the gender that she has. yeah. fir right to decide the gender that she has. yeah. ., , right to decide the gender that she has. yeah._ or _ right to decide the gender that she has. yeah._ or he - right to decide the gender that she has. yeah._ or he has, i right to decide the gender that she | has. yeah._ or he has, or has. yeah. or he has. or he has, or she has. has. yeah. or he has. or he has, or she has- it's — has. yeah. or he has. or he has, or she has- it's a _ has. yeah. or he has. or he has, or she has. it's a very _ has. yeah. or he has. or he has, or she has. it's a very personal - has. yeah. or he has. or he has, or she has. it's a very personal issue. | she has. it's a very personal issue. it's not a political issue. it’s it's not a political issue. it's become _ it's not a political issue. it's become very _ it's not a political issue. it's become very much - it's not a political issue. it's become very much so, hasn't it? with nicola sturgeon, that particular row, we will discuss it again. we had a brilliant caller earlier on, a

trans woman who spoke to nigel farage. i trans woman who spoke to nigel faraie. ., ., trans woman who spoke to nigel faraie, ., ., ., trans woman who spoke to nigel faraie. . ., ., ., , ., farage. i learn a lot from my own children. farage. i learn a lot from my own children- i — farage. i learn a lot from my own children. i discussed _ farage. i learn a lot from my own children. i discussed this - farage. i learn a lot from my own children. i discussed this at - farage. i learn a lot from my own | children. i discussed this at length with them. i learned so much from them. i with them. i learned so much from them. ., . with them. i learned so much from them. . . :: , them. i have children in their 20s, interesting — them. i have children in their 20s, interesting conversations - them. i have children in their 20s, interesting conversations and - interesting conversations and perspectives. nigel, we will speak to you in a second. first, who was it? rees in swansea.— it? rees in swansea. bore da. my iuestion it? rees in swansea. bore da. my question is— it? rees in swansea. bore da. my question is what _ it? rees in swansea. bore da. my question is what are _ it? rees in swansea. bore da. my question is what are your - it? rees in swansea. bore da. my question is what are your views i it? rees in swansea. bore da. my| question is what are your views on assisted _ question is what are your views on assisted dying?— question is what are your views on | assisted dying?_ are assisted dying? bore da, rees. are ou assisted dying? bore da, rees. are you religious? _ assisted dying? bore da, rees. are you religious? yes. _ assisted dying? bore da, rees. are you religious? yes. are _ assisted dying? bore da, rees. are you religious? yes. are you - you religious? yes. are you religious? _ you religious? yes. are you religious? i— you religious? yes. are you religious? i was _ you religious? yes. are you religious? i was brought - you religious? yes. are you religious? i was brought of| you religious? yes. are you - religious? i was brought of going to sunday school. _ religious? i was brought of going to sunday school, and _ religious? i was brought of going to sunday school, and my _ religious? i was brought of going to sunday school, and my father- religious? i was brought of going to sunday school, and my father is - religious? i was brought of going to sunday school, and my father is a l sunday school, and my father is a well—known lay preacher. do sunday school, and my father is a well-known lay preacher.- well-known lay preacher. do you believe in _ well-known lay preacher. do you believe in god? _ well-known lay preacher. do you believe in god? no, _ well-known lay preacher. do you believe in god? no, i've - well-known lay preacher. do you believe in god? no, i've never. believe in god? no, i've never considered _ believe in god? no, i've never considered myself _ believe in god? no, i've never considered myself to - believe in god? no, i've never considered myself to be - believe in god? no, i've never| considered myself to be deeply religious. the values i was taught

are important to me will stop but i am not deeply religious.— am not deeply religious. sorry to rush, it's am not deeply religious. sorry to rush. it's an _ am not deeply religious. sorry to rush, it's an important _ am not deeply religious. sorry to rush, it's an important question, i rush, it's an important question, and more and more on the agenda, there is more and more realistic prospect of things changing. can i find out what your position is, rees? i find out what your position is, rees? . ., find out what your position is, rees? .., , , find out what your position is, rees? .. , , ., find out what your position is, rees? , . . rees? i can see the winds of change are blowing — rees? i can see the winds of change are blowing that _ rees? i can see the winds of change are blowing that way, _ rees? i can see the winds of change are blowing that way, the _ rees? i can see the winds of change are blowing that way, the labour - are blowing that way, the labour party— are blowing that way, the labour party has— are blowing that way, the labour party has said that they are going to introduce assisted dying. i think it is potentially a slippery slope, putting — it is potentially a slippery slope, putting vulnerable people at risk. i think— putting vulnerable people at risk. i think it's _ putting vulnerable people at risk. i think it's important to know what plaid _ think it's important to know what plaid cymru would do, as an opposition party in wales. it�*s plaid cymru would do, as an opposition party in wales. it's all about safeguards. _ opposition party in wales. it's all about safeguards. what - opposition party in wales. it's all about safeguards. what is - opposition party in wales. it's all about safeguards. what is your l about safeguards. what is your instinct to position on this issue? i would make the point to rees, i would not be giving plaid cymru's position on this, think it is a matter of conscience, and i think that's important, my instinct tells me that people should be able to make those choices about how they die. that is my quite strong

instinct, really. at the word that you gave there, safeguards, that is what it is all about, that there can be no abuse. we are talking about an incredibly deep level of safeguarding that is needed. i have been up close to somebody in the last minutes. i was there when my mother passed away. we were able to give my mother the best of care at home and she passed away very, very peacefully after a very short illness. but i know that other people will be facing final days that may not be as restful and peaceful as my mother did, and they would choose, if they could, to be able to plan things a little bit better themselves. on my instinct tells me that, with the right safeguards in place, is something

that we should absolutely pursue. death shall have no dominion. there is a poem. wendy, in merthyr tydfil. hello. irate is a poem. wendy, in merthyr tydfil. hello. ~ ., ., ,, ., hello. we got time for you, we have about three — hello. we got time for you, we have about three minutes, _ hello. we got time for you, we have about three minutes, all— hello. we got time for you, we have about three minutes, all yours. - hello. we got time for you, we have about three minutes, all yours. ok, | about three minutes, all yours. ok, thank you- — about three minutes, all yours. ok, thank you. basically, i wanted to know— thank you. basically, i wanted to know why— thank you. basically, i wanted to know why plaid cymru wants to go back into — know why plaid cymru wants to go back into europe, when it cost so much _ back into europe, when it cost so much money to get out. but back into europe, when it cost so much money to get out.- much money to get out. but it is costini much money to get out. but it is costing us _ much money to get out. but it is costing us a _ much money to get out. but it is costing us a heck— much money to get out. but it is costing us a heck of— much money to get out. but it is costing us a heck of a _ much money to get out. but it is costing us a heck of a lot - much money to get out. but it is costing us a heck of a lot of - much money to get out. but it is i costing us a heck of a lot of money being out. costing us a heck of a lot of money beini out. ., v costing us a heck of a lot of money beini out. . �*, , .,, being out. that's the problem. i have always _ being out. that's the problem. i have always been _ being out. that's the problem. i have always been pro-europe, i i have always been pro—europe, i firmly believe that wales would be best served being in the european union. but that's not on the table now. what is on the table is how we can build ties as close as possible to the european union, in particular in trade. it to the european union, in particular in trade. ., , to the european union, in particular in trade. . , ., ., ,, to the european union, in particular in trade. ., .,~ ., in trade. it was about making our own trade — in trade. it was about making our own trade deals. _ in trade. it was about making our own trade deals. where - in trade. it was about making our own trade deals. where were - in trade. it was about making ouri own trade deals. where were you in trade. it was about making our. own trade deals. where were you on this? a, , ., own trade deals. where were you on

this? , ., ., own trade deals. where were you on this? ~, ., ., , ,., this? basically, i am an pensioner and i was used _ this? basically, i am an pensioner and i was used to _ this? basically, i am an pensioner and i was used to having - this? basically, i am an pensioner and i was used to having the - and i was used to having the commonwealth. but with europe, things— commonwealth. but with europe, things were forced on us, like refugees, _ things were forced on us, like refugees, situations like that, in llanelli. — refugees, situations like that, in llanelli, you know what happened. and haverfordwest, where they took over the _ and haverfordwest, where they took over the old army houses and people have to _ over the old army houses and people have to move, llanelli, the jobs were _ have to move, llanelli, the jobs were lost, — have to move, llanelli, the jobs were lost, things like that. brexit was important to me on the refugee issues _ was important to me on the refugee issues i_ was important to me on the refugee issues. i feel sorry for the ukrainians, i love them and believe in what _ ukrainians, i love them and believe in what they are doing, but, you know. _ in what they are doing, but, you know, people on boats, mainly men, come _ know, people on boats, mainly men, come over— know, people on boats, mainly men, come over and because so much problems— come over and because so much problems in the country now. let me ask rhun ap — problems in the country now. let me ask rhun ap iorwerth, _ problems in the country now. let me ask rhun ap iorwerth, why _ problems in the country now. let me ask rhun ap iorwerth, why are - problems in the country now. let me ask rhun ap iorwerth, why are they i ask rhun ap iorwerth, why are they mainly men?— ask rhun ap iorwerth, why are they mainl men? ., . mainly men? there are so much there that i would — mainly men? there are so much there that i would like _ mainly men? there are so much there that i would like to _ mainly men? there are so much there that i would like to unpick, _ mainly men? there are so much there that i would like to unpick, people - that i would like to unpick, people are going into small boats because they are being driven there by people traffickers and because there

are no safe routes.— are no safe routes. whether it be these trans _ are no safe routes. whether it be these trans issue, _ are no safe routes. whether it be these trans issue, respect - are no safe routes. whether it be these trans issue, respect and i these trans issue, respect and politics, to respect people who say there is too much immigration? irate there is too much immigration? we need to there is too much immigration? - need to listen to people you have genuine concerns about the way, for example, the movement of people is putting pressure on public services. i would argue the pressure on public services now is because of the defunding public services in the 14 years of conservatives. i think there is a very real danger here in portraying the movement of people are something it isn't. and wendy spoke about refugees in fairly negative terms, but in positive terms when it came to people who came from ukraine. and i'm so proud of the actions that wales took in relation to ukraine. my daughter works looking after refugees that came from afghanistan, and it gives

me an immense amount of pride to know that wales has been serious about being that century for people in need. we have international obligations when it comes to refugees. in terms of people, economic migrants, we need to be able to persuade some people, more people, to come to wales, to merthyr tydfil, for some parts of the economy, for health and care, for example. we need to have properly resourced processing facilities, so that people who need to be sent home, if it is safe for them to do so, because they don't meet the threshold for being able to come to the uk, we need to have a properly resourced. but that's the complete mishandling of the whole border issues by the uk government. remember this also, leaving the european union has made it so much more difficult to deal with these issues because of the change in our

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live from london, this is bbc news. rishi sunak in to is fighting for every vote as a parties spar over tax and child benefit in the latest tv debate. tens of thousands of fans descend on munich for euro 2024. it kicks off tonight with germany versus scotland. and seeing double, an asian elephant in central thailand gives birth to a rare set of twins, taking everyone by surprise. thanks forjoining us this morning. we start with a general election campaign and with less than three weeks to go now until polling day, the prime minister rishi sunak has said he is still fighting for every

vote. last night senior figures from the seven biggest parties took part in the latest live debate hosted by itv. halfway through campaigning, the bbc�*s poll tracker shows both the bbc�*s poll tracker shows both the conservatives and labour are slightly down on where they were when the election was called but with so keir starmer�*s party still well ahead. with so keir starmer�*s party still wellahead. meanwhile, with so keir starmer�*s party still well ahead. meanwhile, a single pole from you gap is put nigel farage's reform uk in second place for the first time, one percentage point ahead of the conservatives. our political correspondent has more. familiar faces with familiar pitches _ familiar faces with familiar pitches. high, i'm angela rayner, labours— pitches. high, i'm angela rayner, labour's deputy leader, and we have a real— labour's deputy leader, and we have a real chance to turn the page and have _ a real chance to turn the page and have change in britain. good evening i am teddy modern. _ have change in britain. good evening i am teddy modern. -- _ have change in britain. good evening i am teddy modern. -- penny - i am teddy modern. —— penny mordaunt _ i am teddy modern. —— penny mordaunt i_ i am teddy modern. —— penny mordaunt. i will— i am teddy modern. —— penny mordaunt. i will be _ i am teddy modern. —— penny mordaunt. i will be talking - i am teddy modern. —— penny. mordaunt. i will be talking about which _ mordaunt. i will be talking about which the — mordaunt. i will be talking about which the conservatives - mordaunt. ! will be talking about which the conservatives will- mordaunt. i will be talking about which the conservatives will cut. | which the conservatives will cut. nigel— which the conservatives will cut. nigel farage _ which the conservatives will cut. nigel farage had _ which the conservatives will cut. nigel farage had a _ which the conservatives will cut. nigel farage had a new- which the conservatives will cut. nigel farage had a new claim. i which the conservatives will cut. i nigel farage had a new claim. just pick before we came on air, we

overtook the conservatives in national opinion poll. we are now the opposition to labour. his claim was based on _ the opposition to labour. his claim was based on a _ the opposition to labour. his claim was based on a pole _ the opposition to labour. his claim was based on a pole for— the opposition to labour. his claim was based on a pole for you - the opposition to labour. his claim i was based on a pole for you coverage within one percentage point ahead of the tories for the first time. psychologically, that is significant but it is within the margin of error and more polls will be needed to suggest a definite trend. what is clear is labour is still polling far ahead of both and in this debate it was noticeable that angela rayner faced more attacks than previously. angela, which of your party's u-turns _ angela, which of your party's u—turns are you proud of? the ditching — u—turns are you proud of? the ditching of— u—turns are you proud of? the ditching of the 20 billion climate investment plan, keeping the cruel two child _ investment plan, keeping the cruel two child benefit cap one of the others? — two child benefit cap one of the others? ~ ., �* two child benefit cap one of the others? ~ . �* ., , ., ., , others? what i'm not proud of this we have had _ others? what i'm not proud of this we have had 14 _ others? what i'm not proud of this we have had 14 years _ others? what i'm not proud of this we have had 14 years of— others? what i'm not proud of this we have had 14 years of the - we have had 14 years of the tories and the crushing of the economy. they push back on labour's choice to not lift the cap. they push back on labour's choice to not lift the cap-— not lift the cap. labour is refusing. _ not lift the cap. labour is refusing, what _ not lift the cap. labour is refusing, what had - not lift the cap. labour is - refusing, what had happened to labour? — refusing, what had happened to labour? hie _ refusing, what had happened to labour? ~ ., refusing, what had happened to labour? ~ . ., labour? we have said we will have action on child _ labour? we have said we will have action on child poverty _ labour? we have said we will have action on child poverty but... - labour? we have said we will have action on child poverty but... a - action on child poverty but... a conservative policy you are determined _ conservative policy you are

determined to _ conservative policy you are determined to press - conservative policy you are determined to press aheadj conservative policy you are - determined to press ahead with, conservative policy you are _ determined to press ahead with, even though— determined to press ahead with, even though it _ determined to press ahead with, even though it damages _ determined to press ahead with, even though it damages some _ determined to press ahead with, even though it damages some of— determined to press ahead with, even though it damages some of our- though it damages some of our poorest— though it damages some of our poorest families. _ though it damages some of our poorest families. we _ though it damages some of our poorest families.— though it damages some of our poorest families. we will not do unfunded spending _ poorest families. we will not do i unfunded spending commitments. poorest families. we will not do - unfunded spending commitments. the snp question the future of spending under labour while criticising the tories two handling of the economy. you had 14 years of austerity then we have _ you had 14 years of austerity then we have had the damage brexit, what that has— we have had the damage brexit, what that has done to the economy, the shrinking _ that has done to the economy, the shrinking of— that has done to the economy, the shrinking of the economy, the tax receipts— shrinking of the economy, the tax receipts which disappeared out of the economy. receipts which disappeared out of the economy-— the economy. while the conservatives, - the economy. while the conservatives, penny i the economy. while the - conservatives, penny mordaunt the economy. while the _ conservatives, penny mordaunt had one consistent accusation she wanted to level at opponents... i one consistent accusation she wanted to level at opponents. . ._ to level at opponents... i vote for an to level at opponents. .. i vote for any other— to level at opponents... i vote for any other party — to level at opponents. .. i vote for any other party will— to level at opponents... i vote for any other party will increase - any other party will increase your taxes. highertaxes, higher any other party will increase your taxes. higher taxes, higher taxes, higher taxes, taxes. higher taxes, higher taxes, highertaxes, highertaxes. taxes. higher taxes, higher taxes, higher taxes, higher taxes. the lib dems's higher taxes, higher taxes. the lib dems data _ higher taxes, higher taxes. the lib dems's data cuba _ higher taxes, higher taxes. the lib dems's data cuba said _ higher taxes, higher taxes. the lib dems's data cuba said it _ higher taxes, higher taxes. the lib dems's data cuba said it was - higher taxes, higher taxes. the lib dems's data cuba said it was a - dems's data cuba said it was a tories that had put them up and added more costs. the tories that had put them up and added more costs.— added more costs. the fact is a cost of livini added more costs. the fact is a cost of living crisis _ added more costs. the fact is a cost of living crisis has _ added more costs. the fact is a cost of living crisis has been _ added more costs. the fact is a cost of living crisis has been made - added more costs. the fact is a cost of living crisis has been made so - of living crisis has been made so much _ of living crisis has been made so much worse by the mini budget which blew a _ much worse by the mini budget which blew a hole _ much worse by the mini budget which blew a hole in the public finances and make — blew a hole in the public finances and make peoples rents and mortgages io and make peoples rents and mortgages go sky— and make peoples rents and mortgages go sky high _ and make peoples rents and mortgages go sky high and people felt that hit

and are _ go sky high and people felt that hit and are still trying to recover. no and are still trying to recover. post—show and are still trying to recover. iir> post—show handshakes this time, with less than three weeks ago, the gloves are off. i would deputy political editor is at the g7 summit in italy, which the prime minister is attending. she told us more about how the main parties stand at this stage in the campaign. we asked him about that o-inion in the campaign. we asked him about that opinion poll. _ in the campaign. we asked him about that opinion poll. he _ in the campaign. we asked him about that opinion poll. he did _ in the campaign. we asked him about that opinion poll. he did say - in the campaign. we asked him about that opinion poll. he did say if- in the campaign. we asked him about that opinion poll. he did say if it - that opinion poll. he did say if it was replicated onjuly the 4th it would mean that so keir starmer would mean that so keir starmer would be in downing street and he said it would mean a blank check for labour. he said of course he hasn't given up on the election, is fighting for every single vote, you would expect them to say that. he was pressed on whether we needed to change it election strategy because he has come up with policies on immigration, for example, on pensions, all the kinds of things he

would have hoped those thinking of voting reform might have appealed to them, but of course it doesn't appear the opinion polls are right, if the opinion polls are right, that it's ok. he said only two people can be prime minister, him och keir starmer. trying to say to those people thinking of voting reform, if you do vote for them, it will meet labour goes into government. we've had the defence secretary warning of a super majority for labour. that isn't something or a phrase that rishi sunak has decided to repeat. he said he is still focused on the election and carrying on to win every vote and saying we are only halfway through, there is a long way to go. he has had a bit of respite from the campaign trail here at the g7, mixing with other world leaders, they have been talking a lot about ukraine, they have signed off a $50 billion loan to ukraine for its military and for reconstruction and

they have also announced new sanctions on russia. it is interesting looking at all the photos of the world leaders, rishi sunak is not the only one struggling with popularity. a lot of them face a real electoral challenge. that is something they have been speaking about when they have those private moments over dinner, maybe. iligel moments over dinner, maybe. nigel faraie has moments over dinner, maybe. nigel farage has also _ moments over dinner, maybe. nigel farage has also been _ moments over dinner, maybe. nigel farage has also been speaking this morning. he was asked by nicky campbell about previous comments he had made when he said he admired russia's president vladimir putin. what is it about a murderous dictator that you buy? haifa what is it about a murderous dictator that you buy? how many ears had dictator that you buy? how many years had he _ dictator that you buy? how many years had he been _ dictator that you buy? how many years had he been in _ dictator that you buy? how many years had he been in power? - dictator that you buy? how many years had he been in power? he| dictator that you buy? how many i years had he been in power? he has gone _ years had he been in power? he has gone from _ years had he been in power? he has gone from prime minister to president. he is a clever political operator~ — president. he is a clever political operator. he killsjournalist. i don't— operator. he killsjournalist. i don't like _ operator. he killsjournalist. i don't like him as a human being in any way— don't like him as a human being in any way at— don't like him as a human being in any way at all. you can recognise the fact— any way at all. you can recognise the fact that some people are good at what _ the fact that some people are good at what they do, even if they have evil intent — at what they do, even if they have evil intent. as a public speaker? what _ evil intent. as a public speaker? what do — evil intent. as a public speaker? what do you think? clearly, hypnotic

in a dangerous way. find what do you think? clearly, hypnotic in a dangerous way.— in a dangerous way. and also the fact that you _ in a dangerous way. and also the fact that you think _ in a dangerous way. and also the fact that you think we _ in a dangerous way. and also the fact that you think we should - in a dangerous way. and also the fact that you think we should sit| fact that you think we should sit down and talk to putin. i}i(. fact that you think we should sit down and talk to putin. ok, yes, this war has _ down and talk to putin. ok, yes, this war has been _ down and talk to putin. ok, yes, this war has been going - down and talk to putin. ok, yes, this war has been going on - down and talk to putin. ok, yes, this war has been going on now. down and talk to putin. ok, yes, i this war has been going on now for years _ this war has been going on now for years it _ this war has been going on now for years it is — this war has been going on now for years. it is likely to go on for many— years. it is likely to go on for many more years. we are looking at something _ many more years. we are looking at something like! million casualties between _ something like! million casualties between the two sides. the}r something like1 million casualties between the two sides.— between the two sides. they are fi . htini between the two sides. they are fighting for _ between the two sides. they are fighting for their _ between the two sides. they are fighting for their country, - fighting for their country, patriotic. i fighting for their country, patriotic-— fighting for their country, iatriotic. . ., ., patriotic. i get it, and i am not think we shouldn't _ patriotic. i get it, and i am not think we shouldn't support - patriotic. i get it, and i am not - think we shouldn't support ukraine, not for— think we shouldn't support ukraine, not for one — think we shouldn't support ukraine, not for one minute, but at the end of the _ not for one minute, but at the end of the date — not for one minute, but at the end of the date most wars and in negotiation and i fear if we don't find some — negotiation and i fear if we don't find some way of at least sitting down _ find some way of at least sitting down and — find some way of at least sitting down and talking that we will finish up down and talking that we will finish up with— down and talking that we will finish up with a _ down and talking that we will finish up with a war that goes on for year and years — up with a war that goes on for year and years it— up with a war that goes on for year and ears. up with a war that goes on for year and years— and years. it will involve hooting iiettin and years. it will involve hooting getting ukraine _ and years. it will involve hooting getting ukraine territory. - and years. it will involve hooting getting ukraine territory. i- and years. it will involve hooting getting ukraine territory. i think| getting ukraine territory. i think the will getting ukraine territory. i think they will end — getting ukraine territory. i think they will end up _ getting ukraine territory. i think they will end up with _ getting ukraine territory. i think they will end up with some - getting ukraine territory. i think they will end up with some of i they will end up with some of crimea, — they will end up with some of crimea, and i understand, but it is a bad _ crimea, and i understand, but it is a bad idea — crimea, and i understand, but it is a bad idea to — crimea, and i understand, but it is a bad idea to get people sitting round _ a bad idea to get people sitting round a — a bad idea to get people sitting round a table? if a bad idea to get people sitting round a table?—

round a table? if you had an influence — round a table? if you had an influence in _ round a table? if you had an influence in the _ round a table? if you had an| influence in the conservative round a table? if you had an - influence in the conservative party and a meeting with president lenski, what would you say to president lenski? i what would you say to president lenski? ., _ what would you say to president lenski? ., ., lenski? i would say, though, the west will go _ lenski? i would say, though, the west will go on _ lenski? i would say, though, the west will go on supporting - lenski? i would say, though, the west will go on supporting you i lenski? i would say, though, the i west will go on supporting you but the percentage of young men you are losing _ the percentage of young men you are losing is— the percentage of young men you are losing is so— the percentage of young men you are losing is so bad, isn't it time we at least — losing is so bad, isn't it time we at least try— losing is so bad, isn't it time we at least try to have a negotiation. he couldn't — at least try to have a negotiation. he couldn't say no. nigel farage speaking to nicky campbell. we are reaching the end of another frenetic week of election campaigning. we have seen leaders go head—to—head in debate. our manifestos launched and some intriguing opinion polls published. the bbc news is out and about in the north of england to try to find out. we start with sheffield central, held by labour with a massive majority of more than 27,000 votes in 2019. how are voters feeling this time around? my

colleague, anna foster. welcome to sheffield. i colleague, anna foster. welcome to sheffield. i am — colleague, anna foster. welcome to sheffield. i am here _ colleague, anna foster. welcome to sheffield. i am here because - colleague, anna foster. welcome to sheffield. i am here because this - colleague, anna foster. welcome to sheffield. i am here because this is| sheffield. i am here because this is a sheffield view which is very famous, particularly if you are a snookerfan. the famous, particularly if you are a snooker fan. the crucible theatre in the centre of the city. this is a sheffield central constituency but this is —— we will spend the day around and about to see what is driving the bow, around and about to see what is driving the how, but i want to show you some of sheffield you might not have seen before, because sheffield doc fest is happening, and it is world renowned. film—makers from all over the place to talk about documentaries and art and this is a well—known artist, and he is graffiti in in his own individual way, even dressed in doodles. that is an art installation. this is the wintergarden, far more tropical inside then it is outside here in sheffield this morning. one of the reasons i wanted to bring you here, i live in yorkshire, but across the other side in west yorkshire, were

james vincent is with me. i saw, full credit, i saw one of your pieces on look north, the bbc regional programme for this part of the world and you were doing a report in sheffield and i found it really interesting because we have constituencies like this one with big majorities but you also have constituencies with wafer thin majority. constituencies with wafer thin ma'ori . . , , constituencies with wafer thin ma'ori . , ,, ' majority. absolutely, in sheffield central 2019 _ majority. absolutely, in sheffield central 2019 it _ majority. absolutely, in sheffield central 2019 it was _ majority. absolutely, in sheffield central 2019 it was one _ majority. absolutely, in sheffield central 2019 it was one of - majority. absolutely, in sheffield central 2019 it was one of the - central 2019 it was one of the biggest — central 2019 it was one of the biggest majorities, a labour majority— biggest majorities, a labour majority of 27,000. the boundaries have changed a bit, sheffield central— have changed a bit, sheffield central is had one of the biggest changes — central is had one of the biggest changes. if you look at the figures, if this— changes. if you look at the figures, if this patch— changes. if you look at the figures, if this patch existed in 2019, the majority— if this patch existed in 2019, the majority has gone down to about 20,000, — majority has gone down to about 20,000, still pretty big. you go from _ 20,000, still pretty big. you go from sheffield central to sheffield hallam, _ from sheffield central to sheffield hallam, and that is one of our narrowest— hallam, and that is one of our narrowest majorities. the majority is only— narrowest majorities. the majority is only 712— narrowest majorities. the majority is only 712 out and they think that it is a _ is only 712 out and they think that it is a three—way split because the lib it is a three—way split because the lib dems — it is a three—way split because the lib dems are pushing labour harder,

the conservatives think they have a chance _ the conservatives think they have a chance and — the conservatives think they have a chance and the greens think they have _ chance and the greens think they have a _ chance and the greens think they have a chance there. so that will be interesting — have a chance there. so that will be interesting to watch. we have a bit of everything in yorkshire. and also one thin i of everything in yorkshire. and also one thing i really _ of everything in yorkshire. and also one thing i really loved _ of everything in yorkshire. and also one thing i really loved in _ of everything in yorkshire. and also one thing i really loved in that - one thing i really loved in that piece you made was you found a physical red wall, because people will remember after the last general election that expression, redwall, the red while crumbling. explain, because we are few years and, what that means and what the context is for this election. i that means and what the context is for this election.— for this election. i was kinda iiokin for this election. i was kinda poking fun _ for this election. i was kinda poking fun at _ for this election. i was kinda poking fun at some - for this election. i was kinda | poking fun at some journalist for this election. i was kinda - poking fun at some journalist for calling _ poking fun at some journalist for calling it — poking fun at some journalist for calling it a — poking fun at some journalist for calling it a read well because nobody — calling it a read well because nobody really called it that here, but they— nobody really called it that here, but they were traditional labour seat conservatives won for the first time in _ seat conservatives won for the first time in 2019. if you look at rather valley. _ time in 2019. if you look at rather valley, labour held its seat for ever— valley, labour held its seat for ever and — valley, labour held its seat for ever and the conservatives had never won that _ ever and the conservatives had never won that seat and they did with the handsome — won that seat and they did with the handsome majority in 2019. part of that was— handsome majority in 2019. part of that was a — handsome majority in 2019. part of that was a brexit bow, part of that was a _ that was a brexit bow, part of that was a levelling up vote, all that money— was a levelling up vote, all that money that was promised to the north by boris _ money that was promised to the north by borisjohnson, and don valley money that was promised to the north by boris johnson, and don valley was another— by boris johnson, and don valley was another place that when conservative

for the _ another place that when conservative for the first _ another place that when conservative for the first time ever. doncaster effectively — for the first time ever. doncaster effectively establish the labour party. — effectively establish the labour party, the real workers in doncaster decided _ party, the real workers in doncaster decided they want to group together in turn _ decided they want to group together in turn people down to parliament. that became the labour party. people in doncaster— that became the labour party. people in doncaster turned their back on labour— in doncaster turned their back on labour in — in doncaster turned their back on labour in 2019. so there are some fascinating — labour in 2019. so there are some fascinating battles to watch this time _ fascinating battles to watch this time around. at the conservatives be able to— time around. at the conservatives be able to hang onto their seat will labour— able to hang onto their seat will labour take them back and work on the other— labour take them back and work on the other parties like reform do in some _ the other parties like reform do in some of— the other parties like reform do in some of those areas where they have a chance? _ some of those areas where they have a chance? ~ ., ., , some of those areas where they have achance? . . . , ,, , a chance? what are the big issues in this art of a chance? what are the big issues in this part of the _ a chance? what are the big issues in this part of the country? _ a chance? what are the big issues in this part of the country? this - a chance? what are the big issues in this part of the country? this is - this part of the country? this is obviously classic post—industrial northern city that were built on heavy industry. it is vibrant and brilliant fantastic communities but also places that have issues with unemployment, cost of living, health care. so what will be driving people to vote? i care. so what will be driving people to vote? ., ., care. so what will be driving people to vote? ,, ., ., ,, , to vote? i think all of those issues will be massive _ to vote? i think all of those issues will be massive factors. _ to vote? i think all of those issues will be massive factors. we - to vote? i think all of those issues will be massive factors. we talk i will be massive factors. we talk about _ will be massive factors. we talk about our— will be massive factors. we talk about our north south divide a lot and we _ about our north south divide a lot and we have been doing a lot this year on _ and we have been doing a lot this year on the — and we have been doing a lot this year on the 14th anniversary of the

miners _ year on the 14th anniversary of the miners strike —— 40th anniversary. to see _ miners strike —— 40th anniversary. to see how— miners strike —— 40th anniversary. to see how people feel about how their lives— to see how people feel about how their lives are now. if you talk about — their lives are now. if you talk about levelling up or a north—south divide. _ about levelling up or a north—south divide. one — about levelling up or a north—south divide, one of the fundamental measures— divide, one of the fundamental measures of that is how long you live for— measures of that is how long you live for and — measures of that is how long you live for and how long you live a healthy — live for and how long you live a healthy light for and if you live in a former— healthy light for and if you live in a former coalfield area, you lived very yell— a former coalfield area, you lived very yell less then if you don't. and your— very yell less then if you don't. and your years of healthy life before — and your years of healthy life before you get an illness is sometimes a gap between places here and places— sometimes a gap between places here and places down south is 15 or 20 years _ and places down south is 15 or 20 years so — and places down south is 15 or 20 years. so there are a people getting ill sooner— years. so there are a people getting ill sooner in — years. so there are a people getting ill sooner in this part of the world _ ill sooner in this part of the world. here we want that gap marrow, notjust— world. here we want that gap marrow, notiust in— world. here we want that gap marrow, notjust in terms of income, —— gap narrow. _ notjust in terms of income, —— gap narrow. but— notjust in terms of income, —— gap narrow, but that right to live as long _ narrow, but that right to live as long as — narrow, but that right to live as long as everyone else. that is important _ long as everyone else. that is important for people here, thinking about— important for people here, thinking about the _ important for people here, thinking about the nhs, waiting list but also the stuff— about the nhs, waiting list but also the stuff that councils do the nhs does to—

the stuff that councils do the nhs does to help people live a healthier life. ., ~' does to help people live a healthier life. . ~ ,, .~ , does to help people live a healthier life. ., , , does to help people live a healthier life. . ,, does to help people live a healthier life. . , life. thank you, james. james is bbc two yorkshire _ life. thank you, james. james is bbc two yorkshire political— life. thank you, james. james is bbc two yorkshire political editor. - life. thank you, james. james is bbc two yorkshire political editor. you i two yorkshire political editor. you will see lots his work on look north and the bbc news website. i want to show you the candidates for this particular constituency. it is sheffield central. this is a list of all the candidates standing in this particular seat. you can find those lists for all the constituencies in the uk on the bbc news website as well stop here in yorkshire, i will be here throughout the day so lots more to come from here about how people will be feeling about the election and what the big issues are the people are passionate about and will ultimately decide who they vote for. r ., ., ., will ultimately decide who they vote for. . . ., ,, will ultimately decide who they vote for. r . . ~' i., , will ultimately decide who they vote for. . . ., ,, , . will ultimately decide who they vote for. . ., , . ~ ., for. anna, thank you very much. anna foster. for. anna, thank you very much. anna foster- bbc — for. anna, thank you very much. anna foster. bbc today _ for. anna, thank you very much. anna foster. bbc today programme - for. anna, thank you very much. anna foster. bbc today programme nick. foster. bbc today programme nick robinson has been carrying out a series of interviews with party... parties tonight. that is the

panorama interview with sir keir starmer. it will be broadcast tonight in the wake of his manifesto launch and speak to... labour have already launched the manifesto. i think that it's been carried over from another day. good morning. as you sit down for each of these conversations, and i know that is what you said you want them to become grown—up conversations, what are the key things you are hoping to achieve? to are the key things you are hoping to achieve? ., ., , achieve? to get lighter, not 'ust eat. debates�* achieve? to get lighter, not 'ust eat. debates are i achieve? to get lighter, not 'ust eat. debates are valuable, h achieve? to get lighter, not 'ust eat. debates are valuable, ii achieve? to get lighter, notjust - eat. debates are valuable, i chaired the debate at the last election in 2019. michelle is doing it this time. they get the drama, the heat, the divisions between the parties. what they don't get is a chance of follow—up questions, the chance to really explore over a period of time and demand answers. and i get nearly half an hour with each of these party leaders, the prime minister on monday, i've done that leaders of

the scottish national party and the welsh nationalist party and now it is the leader of the opposition sir keir starmer�*s term. if the polls are right, he is going to be prime minister in three weeks' time, and therefore knowing notjust what the policies he wants to put his shop window hour, but what really goes on in here, what really makes him tick, thatis in here, what really makes him tick, that is something i want to get to the bottom of and how it will affect you, your tax rates, policies for schools and hospitals and immigration are perhaps a figure that he will strike on the world stage. that he will strike on the world staie. �* ,., that he will strike on the world stale, �* ., that he will strike on the world stale, �* , that he will strike on the world stale. �* , ., that he will strike on the world staie. . , .,, stage. also about trying to perhaps ca iture a stage. also about trying to perhaps capture a slightly — stage. also about trying to perhaps capture a slightly unfiltered - capture a slightly unfiltered moment, which is pretty difficult with politicians now, isn't it? because there is so much preparation that goes into any contact with the media. , ., ., , ., ., media. they are nervous at what ha-iens media. they are nervous at what happens at _ media. they are nervous at what happens at any _ media. they are nervous at what happens at any interview- media. they are nervous at what happens at any interview and - media. they are nervous at what - happens at any interview and debate will be watched or listened to by many more people in a clip on social

media. so it makes him very wary of opening up and i hope what you can do in a conversation if you use the conversation, not an interrogation, is try and pull out a bit and the audience can thenjudge is try and pull out a bit and the audience can then judge whether they are getting an answer or not, what is hidden in the wording of the answer that might hint at what they don't want to spell out, what they are actually going to do, and that is a joy of having the time one—on—one, no advisors, no autocue, no mobile phone to consult, no ability to shut off the next question a move to a different person. i said when i interviewed the prime minister, one of the privileges i have, but we as voters have as well, there are plenty of countries around the world where they don't agree to do it, they see it as a risk to be avoided and we know borisjohnson dodged such an

interview with andrew neil when he was doing them and i can now confirm we do have all seven leaders, nigel farage hasjust agreed we do have all seven leaders, nigel farage has just agreed to a day, farage hasjust agreed to a day, we have all seven of the big parties who have agreed to be interviewed at half an hour on panorama. thank who have agreed to be interviewed at half an hour on panorama.— half an hour on panorama. thank you very much- — half an hour on panorama. thank you very much- a — half an hour on panorama. thank you very much. a reminder _ half an hour on panorama. thank you very much. a reminder that - half an hour on panorama. thank you very much. a reminder that nick- very much. a reminder that nick robinson continues his series of interviews tonight, joined by the labour party leader sir keir starmer, that is panorama. if you are interested in the averages in the polls, including last night's you got pole, you can head to the bbc poll tracker for the very latest. fake social media accounts influencing the election? allegations of accounts distorting online conversations are popping up across the web. as part of an undercover voter investigation, i

correspondent has been tracking down people behind social media profiles, posting hundreds of reform uk comments and shejoins posting hundreds of reform uk comments and she joins us now. posting hundreds of reform uk comments and shejoins us now. haste comments and she 'oins us now. have ou been comments and she 'oins us now. have you been spotting — comments and she joins us now. hie: you been spotting comments repeating the same thing popping up on political social media post? are they brave people of fake accounts? i've seen this on my undercover voter feeds, i've seen this on my undercover voterfeeds, the i've seen this on my undercover voter feeds, the undercover voters are 24 fictional people i created based on analysis and they all of online profiles —— my profile. they are based on a different background constituencies and i've been looking at the social media feeds in bridgend. let me tell you about them. we have got ourfirst, gavin, a right—leaning vote in a 60s, 72—year—old welsh nationalist anna lily, who is 18 and it's more into taylor swift in politics. what is interesting is how comments on political posts recommended to gavin

have repeated the phrase without reform, whereas on the other feed, there are comments they are bots are not authentic accounts. i haven't seen comments repeated about this about other party so i identified dozens of accounts that could look vague or inauthentic, for example with an anonymous user name, no picture, no followers or friends, reposting the same phrases are pushing divisive content. this is one. some social media users suggested the account was based abroad or maybe it was a parody. the account told me they are based in the ainsley england area and gave me a british mobile number but didn't answer any of my call. they said they are a genuine account to help and support reform uk but a spokesperson for the party said it wasn't connected to them and they've beenin wasn't connected to them and they've been in touch with social media site about these accounts. i spoke to other real users behind the comments, including martin who wrote this. he told me he is fed up with

mps and once about reform. so what have reform uk said about this? reform told me they are delighted about the organic growth of online support and people wrongly think they must be fake. i spoke to all of the social media company. mehta said doesn't allow users to create fake accounts. tick—tock says it addresses count as interference and x told because it removes accounts that manipulate the conversation. with three weeks to go until polling day, bbc news is on a general election race across the uk. speaking to young voters around the country on the issues they care about most. yesterday they were in a wet and windy uk. today they are in bristol and that is where we join jordan, some pretty dark clouds above you i can say! i hope it stays

dry. set the scene throws and tell us more about the concept behind what you are doing, racing across uk. �* ., , what you are doing, racing across uk. ., , uk. don't 'inx it for us! don't mention — uk. don'tjinx it for us! don't mention the _ uk. don'tjinx it for us! don't mention the dark _ uk. don'tjinx it for us! don't mention the dark clouds. - uk. don'tjinx it for us! don't mention the dark clouds. we l uk. don'tjinx it for us! don't - mention the dark clouds. we have swapped the cornish drizzle for sony bristol, the suspension bridge on day two of the election race. we started in uk yesterday. we have got three weeks until the 4th ofjuly polling day to make it to the top of the country, heading right at the top of scotland and it wouldn't be a proper race across the uk through every single nation, wales and northern ireland as well, talking to voters about issues most important to them. here in bristol today, hopefully it will stay dry. i’m hopefully it will stay dry. i'm kee-tin hopefully it will stay dry. i'm keeping my _ hopefully it will stay dry. i'm keeping my fingers crossed. bristol is a big student city. what have young voters been saying to you so

far? . , ,., , ., , , far? absolutely, two universities in bristol, far? absolutely, two universities in bristol. over— far? absolutely, two universities in bristol, over 40,000 _ far? absolutely, two universities in bristol, over 40,000 students - far? absolutely, two universities in. bristol, over 40,000 students living in the city. it won't come as a surprise to hear the cost of living is one of the big issues here. some telling us they want the next government to scrap tuition fees, thatis government to scrap tuition fees, that is what they want. others say student loans and student debt are too high and they... an interesting take from one girl, penelope, she told us she thinks the cost of living is having a direct effect on great that students are getting. she said that sometimes one or two jobs, they can't revise as much as they want and i'm getting the degree they think they should be getting. she wants more support from the next government for students. another issueis government for students. another issue is climate change. a

17—year—old told us she is considering not having children because of the affected may have on the environment and she she wants the environment and she she wants the next government to take very seriously issues of climate change and the environment. that is some of the views of some of the young people in bristol but as we journey right up through the uk and head to towns and cities, we will be hearing from a of people on their takes on what they want politicians to address. its. what they want politicians to address. �* . ., what they want politicians to address. �* xi ., ., ~' what they want politicians to address. . ., ., . address. a quick look ahead. where next? your — address. a quick look ahead. where next? your guess _ address. a quick look ahead. where next? your guess is _ address. a quick look ahead. where next? your guess is as _ address. a quick look ahead. where next? your guess is as good - address. a quick look ahead. where next? your guess is as good as - address. a quick look ahead. where | next? your guess is as good as mine because that — next? your guess is as good as mine because that catches _ next? your guess is as good as mine because that catches our _ next? your guess is as good as mine | because that catches our checkpoints are being set by the news beat listeners so we are at the mercy of listeners. ., , listeners so we are at the mercy of listeners. . , , ., ., listeners. that is the phone and the challente listeners. that is the phone and the challenge of— listeners. that is the phone and the challenge of this _ listeners. that is the phone and the challenge of this plan. _ listeners. that is the phone and the challenge of this plan. it _ listeners. that is the phone and the challenge of this plan. it is - listeners. that is the phone and the challenge of this plan. it is a - challenge of this plan. it is a great idea. thank you, jordan. there

are an estimated 16 million people in the uk with disabilities so that is a lot of votes up for grabs. the bbc�*s is a lot of votes up for grabs. the bbc�*s access all podcast which focuses on disabilities and mental health has been looking at their major issues that voters with disabilities are talking about ahead of the election. and which issues are a priority for them when deciding how to vote on the 4th of july. speak now to emma, host of the access all podcast. thank you for joining me. you did a call out to listeners about what issues they wanted to talk about and i understand you have had a huge response so what did you hear? shall response so what did you hear? jill sorts of subjects because obviously every issue that is important to people is a disability issue. they wanted to know about housing, lots of people living in inaccessible housing, benefits, employment. a lot of them basically saying that they felt forgotten by all the parties and just not mention at all in

manifestos, debates and really feeling unseen and unheard. that was a lot. we also had people saying they couldn't see themselves in politics, they didn't feel like they were being represented and there has just been some work done done by the disability centre which it says around 4% of people standing at mps are disabled this time, and in population it is nearer to 20%, so it is not representative so people feeling a little bit disappointed about that. i feeling a little bit disappointed about that. t, feeling a little bit disappointed about that. ., , ., ., feeling a little bit disappointed aboutthat. ., ., , about that. i note you have been discussing _ about that. i note you have been discussing the _ about that. i note you have been discussing the issue _ about that. i note you have been discussing the issue of _ about that. i note you have been discussing the issue of access i about that. i note you have been discussing the issue of access to | discussing the issue of access to voting as well. what has come up in those conversations?— those conversations? there is actually quite _ those conversations? there is actually quite a _ those conversations? there is actually quite a lot _ those conversations? there is actually quite a lot of- those conversations? there is| actually quite a lot of different sort of barriers. blind people feel like they can't vote confidently in secret. people have been voting in secret. people have been voting in secret in the uk since 1872 but we did work and in the 2019 election is only 13% of them felt they could do that and that is because they are using a piece of plastic that goes over there by the paper, they have

someone read at the candidates's name on one side and then they have to do is lift the flap thing and put their x in a box and sometimes the plastic moves, sometimes you get a bit outside the box and it is very stressful and upsetting when that happens. then you have the physical access to polling stations. some people not able to go through the manger and another derby lock. then we have spoken to people with learning disabilities. lots of barriers that there are around reading their manifestos. they need an easy read version, a plain english version with pictures it makes it easier to digest. even before they go to the polling booth, they have to register to vote which they have to register to vote which they might need to part with. they also need id, which a lot of disabled people don't have. disabled people are disproportionately affected by poverty, less likely to have a passport or a driving licence and we spoke to mark brooks, a learning disability advocate from

dimension uk, and here is what he had to say. dimension uk, and here is what he had to say-— dimension uk, and here is what he had to say. before last year -- one ofthe had to say. before last year -- one of the issues _ had to say. before last year -- one of the issues most _ had to say. before last year -- one of the issues most people - of the issues most people didn't have _ of the issues most people didn't have a _ of the issues most people didn't have a drivers license, maybe not a passport _ have a drivers license, maybe not a passport and also the other thing that was— passport and also the other thing that was really an issue is people having _ that was really an issue is people having a — that was really an issue is people having a copy of their birth certificate, because a didn't know that they— certificate, because a didn't know that they had one of their parents had got _ that they had one of their parents had got one. | that they had one of their parents had got one-— that they had one of their parents had got one. i know you are hoping to s-eak had got one. i know you are hoping to speak to — had got one. i know you are hoping to speak to someone _ had got one. i know you are hoping to speak to someone from - had got one. i know you are hoping to speak to someone from all- had got one. i know you are hoping to speak to someone from all of. had got one. i know you are hoping| to speak to someone from all of the main parties to put all of these points to them. what sort of responses have you had so far? irate responses have you had so far? we have responses have you had so far? - have reached out to all the parties. i've spoken to one yesterday. we have a few lined up next week. we will put them out in plenty of time for the election so disabled people can listen to each of the parties, each of the disabilities spokespeople, find out what each party is offering for them specifically on the 4th ofjuly. it will be on bbc access all bbc sounds

and in the final couple of weeks before the election. we're really pleased about that and we're hoping all the parties will get involved but if they don't we will have a good look at their policies in any case. ., ., ~' good look at their policies in any case. . ., ~ i. good look at their policies in any case. . . ~' , good look at their policies in any case. . ., ~ ,, , . case. emma, thank you very much, host of the — case. emma, thank you very much, host of the access _ case. emma, thank you very much, host of the access all _ case. emma, thank you very much, host of the access all podcast. i case. emma, thank you very much, | host of the access all podcast. most of the major parties have now published a manifesto, setting out the priorities for the next five years. labour leader said keir starmer said his party will deliver a plan for growth. rishi sunak said the public to serve the security of clear conservative plan. bbc verify been taking a closer look at what the parties are offering. irate been taking a closer look at what the parties are offering.- the parties are offering. we have the parties are offering. we have the labour and _ the parties are offering. we have the labour and conservative i the labour and conservative manifesto is now so let me talk you through some of their similarities and some of the differences in their pledges to win you over. the conservatives, a manifesto that revolves around tax cuts. £17 billion of them, cuts in national insurance, tax breaks for

pensioners, tax breakforfirst insurance, tax breaks for pensioners, tax break for first time home—buyers but other big spending commitments in there too, a pledge to spend more cash on defence, and to spend more cash on defence, and to fund that national service for 18—year—olds plan. there is a lot more in there but these are some of the big spending pledges and overall it comes to £17.7 billion. the money of the conservatives are promising a big cut to welfare spending, some expert sceptical they can achieve this 12 billion. and they are promising to crack down on tax avoidance. again, that is 6 billion figure, a bit uncertain. but the key thing we need to know about the conservatives say they are promising tax cuts and to reduce the welfare bill to fund them. so how does that compare with labour? the short answer is labour are making fewer pledges. here are some of the key promises. cash to fund more nhs appointments, a green prosperity plan, more teachers and teacher training. again, the pledges in

there, these arejust training. again, the pledges in there, these are just some of the most expensive ones but this spending is a lot less in the conservatives, £9.5 billion. about £8 billion less. nevertheless, labour need to find a way to pay for it. here is their plan. like the tories, clamping down on tax avoidance, they also say they will raise taxes like vat on private schools and they will borrow some money to invest in green energy. by the way, both parties are planning to move some cash around to find some of their priorities. but the key thing you need to know about labour is they are being cautious. limited spending plans and some tax increases to pay for them. that is a two manifestos. but what about the big picture for the economy? we spoke about the level of tax going up a lot and under both conservative and labour manifesto tax as a share of the economy will keep on going up, you can see it

there. add all of the manifesto plans together and you get this. the blue line is the conservatives, the red line is labour. the black line is how things are forecast at the moment but tax as a whole is due to go moment but tax as a whole is due to 9° up moment but tax as a whole is due to go up as a percentage of the economy under all of those plans according to the institute for fiscal studies. it's up to you whether you think thatis it's up to you whether you think that is a good or bad thing, of course. another thing that the parties have in common is what they are promising not to do. have a look there. no increase in income tax, no increase in national insurance, inc vat, corporation tax, no two extra borrowing. all of these pledges could leave them pretty stuck if they want to raise more cash for spending in the next parliament. that has led to warnings about this. a conspiracy of silence on the difficulties that they could face.

there are still questions about what cuts they could be in some spending departments if the economy does not grow. there is a lot more about all of this on the bbc news website, about what other parties are offering as well. but hopefully, here, some useful context that will help you analyse what the conservatives and labour are offering. shes conservatives and labour are offerint. �* , conservatives and labour are offerint. a ., “ �*, offering. as part of the bbc's your voice, offering. as part of the bbc's your voice. your— offering. as part of the bbc's your voice, your voter _ offering. as part of the bbc's your voice, your voter project, - offering. as part of the bbc's your voice, your voter project, you i offering. as part of the bbc's your voice, your voter project, you can | voice, your voter project, you can sendin voice, your voter project, you can send in your election questions on a wide range of topics, this includes a number of questions on how tactical voting might influence the results. ouranalysis tactical voting might influence the results. our analysis editor has been looking into this in more detail. you've been sending us your questions and comments on the election, this time on tactical voting, if you want to get in touch, here are the details. this is a message from philip in bedfordshire who writes i want the bbc to explain different voting strategies like

tactical voting. , different voting strategies like tactical voting., the uk has an electoral system which is known as first past the post. in each consistency the candidate with the most votes comes pm. tactical voting is where a candidate will be chosen to stop another candidate from winning. to stop another candidate from winnint. ., , to stop another candidate from winnint. .,, ., ., to stop another candidate from winnint. ., ., ,, , ., winning. people are more likely to vote tactically _ winning. people are more likely to vote tactically if _ winning. people are more likely to vote tactically if they _ winning. people are more likely to vote tactically if they support i winning. people are more likely to vote tactically if they support a i vote tactically if they support a party which is coming third in their constituency and if they really care which of the top two parties in their constituency wins and if they are relatively indifferent to their third party and one of those top two. ., third party and one of those top two. ,, ., ., , two. luke in kent asks how many tteole two. luke in kent asks how many people vote _ two. luke in kent asks how many people vote tactically _ two. luke in kent asks how many people vote tactically or - two. luke in kent asks how many people vote tactically or don't i people vote tactically or don't bother to vote because they live in a safe seat? luke, in the past two elections shows that the turnout in safe seats is similar to turn out in closely contested seat so people do but bother to vote in safe seats. in terms of safe seats, the people to vote tactically, this chart shows the people who vote. in 2019 is 14%

of the next question comes from liana nottinghamshire who says that at the 2022 conference the labour party voted in favour of proportional representation, if they win, will they consider inventing this? proportional representation is a system where they make up parliament mirrors the national vote, it normally leads to a number of smaller parties in government thatis of smaller parties in government that is greater and smaller coalitions. that 2022 referred to was taken by the labour party conference as a whole not labour�*s leadership. it is currently not labour policy to introduce proportional representation, the conservatives aren't suggesting it either. smaller parties, like the liberal democrats, dreams and reform do favour a change. under the current system, their number of mps does not match the percentage of the national vote. does not match the percentage of the nationalvote. in does not match the percentage of the national vote. in terms of public opinion, in a referendum in 2011, voters rejected changing the electoral system to one in which candidates are ranked in order of preference, much more recently, the

new report about trust in politics found that a record 53% of voters favour a system which is fairer to smaller parties. finally, sarah in east sussex asks that we look at the impact of tactical voting. analysts say that in both local elections and parliamentary by—elections there was evidence that it was happening. i think there has been big swings to liberal democrats and labour have gone backwards in terms of the share of the vote. or there has been been a big swing to labour. either way, it looks as though people are coordinating on whichever the two parties is best placed to beat the conservatives.— parties is best placed to beat the conservatives. ., , , , conservatives. professor fisher says this pattern — conservatives. professor fisher says this pattern of _ conservatives. professor fisher says this pattern of tactical— conservatives. professor fisher says this pattern of tactical voting - conservatives. professor fisher says this pattern of tactical voting is i this pattern of tactical voting is likely to be replicated at the general election. thank you for all of your questions, if you have got one for us, please do let us know. the of your questions, if you have got one for us, please do let us know. the details of your questions, if you have got one for us, please do let us know. the details are of your questions, if you have got one for us, please do let us know. the details are here. away from politics and to another sort of countdown. a countdown that is almost over, this evening that the

opening match of euro 2020 foresees hosts germany take on scotland in munich. the players have been taking part in final munich. the players have been taking part infinaltraining munich. the players have been taking part in final training bear and also in the bavarian capital tens of thousands of scotland fans, here is our reporter. all ages, all walks of life, one common passion. the tartan army has taken over munich, some calling it scott tour fest. most don't have tickets for the match against germany but the party is for the whole family. if against germany but the party is for the whole family.— the whole family. if we are going to tet the whole family. if we are going to get germany _ the whole family. if we are going to get germany in _ the whole family. if we are going to get germany in any _ the whole family. if we are going to get germany in any game _ the whole family. if we are going to get germany in any game we i the whole family. if we are going to get germany in any game we want i the whole family. if we are going to i get germany in any game we want them in the first game. they going to be nervous because they are at home and we are the underdogs, we have got nothing to lose.— nothing to lose. unfortunately i've nothing to lose. unfortunately i've not tot a nothing to lose. unfortunately i've not got a ticket _ nothing to lose. unfortunately i've not got a ticket but _ nothing to lose. unfortunately i've not got a ticket but my _ nothing to lose. unfortunately i've not got a ticket but my summer i nothing to lose. unfortunately i've i not got a ticket but my summer may see here _ not got a ticket but my summer may see here and i'mjust not got a ticket but my summer may see here and i'm just happy he not got a ticket but my summer may see here and i'mjust happy be here. one fan. _ see here and i'mjust happy be here. one fan, craig ferguson, walked all the way to glasgow —— from glasgow

to munich for a men's mental health charity and he had high hopes they would also take great strides in the tournament. ii would also take great strides in the tournament-— would also take great strides in the tournament. , ., , tournament. if we win, i did promise i would walk— tournament. if we win, i did promise i would walk back. _ tournament. if we win, i did promise i would walk back. more _ tournament. if we win, i did promise i would walk back. more than - tournament. if we win, i did promise i i would walk back. more than 200,000 scotland fans — i would walk back. more than 200,000 scotland fans are _ i would walk back. more than 200,000 scotland fans are expected _ i would walk back. more than 200,000 scotland fans are expected at _ i would walk back. more than 200,000 scotland fans are expected at the i scotland fans are expected at the tournament is planning to be the 12th man. , , ., 12th man. the support, we could not do it without — 12th man. the support, we could not do it without them _ 12th man. the support, we could not do it without them they _ 12th man. the support, we could not do it without them they have - do it without them they have pushed us over the line at times and we hope they enjoy themselves over the next ten or 11 days because if we can perform the way we can perform, we will give them plenty to shout about and if we can do that then we can sustain generally a little bit longer. can sustain generally a little bit lonter. , ., can sustain generally a little bit lonter. , . ., ., ., longer. they have all travelled for this. the euro _ longer. they have all travelled for this. the euro is _ longer. they have all travelled for this. the euro is beginning - longer. they have all travelled for this. the euro is beginning here. | this. the euro is beginning here. scotland could not have asked for a high—profile match, taking on the host germany in their back yard and in the opening game.— host germany in their back yard and in the opening game. scotland! they to to mac in the opening game. scotland! they go to mac in — in the opening game. scotland! they go to mac in front. _ in the opening game. scotland! they go to mac in front. a _ in the opening game. scotland! they go to mac in front. a win _ in the opening game. scotland! they go to mac in front. a win over- in the opening game. scotland! they go to mac in front. a win over spain | go to mac in front. a win over spain in the route — go to mac in front. a win over spain in the route to _ go to mac in front. a win over spain in the route to qualification - go to mac in front. a win over spain in the route to qualification has i in the route to qualification has given scotland the confidence to beat anyone. i given scotland the confidence to beat anyone-— given scotland the confidence to beat anyone. i think we should all beat anyone. i think we should all be troud beat anyone. i think we should all be proud that _ beat anyone. i think we should all be proud that we _ beat anyone. i think we should all be proud that we are _ beat anyone. i think we should all be proud that we are here. i beat anyone. i think we should all i be proud that we are here. hopefully at the end of this turn meant we will be proud of something we have

achieved a little bit more, a little bit more special in regards to scottish football. its, bit more special in regards to scottish football.— bit more special in regards to scottish football. a win or even a draw may be _ scottish football. a win or even a draw may be a — scottish football. a win or even a draw may be a pipe _ scottish football. a win or even a draw may be a pipe dream i scottish football. a win or even a draw may be a pipe dream but i scottish football. a win or even a draw may be a pipe dream but it| scottish football. a win or even a i draw may be a pipe dream but it is not the dog in the fight, it is a fight in the dog. and bbc five live breakfast rick edwards is in munich for the start of the euros i caught up for the start of the euros i caught up with him earlier to ask how his show went this morning. it up with him earlier to ask how his show went this morning.- show went this morning. it was terrific, show went this morning. it was terrific. the _ show went this morning. it was terrific, the excitement - show went this morning. it was terrific, the excitement is i show went this morning. it was | terrific, the excitement is really building, there are thousands upon thousands of scotland fans here in munich, we had heard that there might be something like 200,000 scotland fans descending on germany. it seemed implausible but yesterday out in the main square which we are just up from now in munich it was heaving. there is only 10,000 tickets allocated to scotland fans, the other 190,000 fans are not first, i don't think. they are so excited to be here, it's the first major tournament that scotland has

qualified for in years and they generally, i think, qualified for in years and they generally, ithink, that qualified for in years and they generally, i think, that they have a chance of getting out of the group which is something they have not done. ., which is something they have not done. . ., ., which is something they have not done. . ., . . which is something they have not done. . ., ., ., , done. chatting to a fan this morning. — done. chatting to a fan this morning, doesn't _ done. chatting to a fan this morning, doesn't have i done. chatting to a fan this morning, doesn't have a i done. chatting to a fan this i morning, doesn't have a ticket for tonight butjust morning, doesn't have a ticket for tonight but just thrilled morning, doesn't have a ticket for tonight butjust thrilled to be there to be in the fan zone and to soak up the atmosphere, which looks pretty amazing. it soak up the atmosphere, which looks pretty amazing-— pretty amazing. it is. yesterday afternoon as — pretty amazing. it is. yesterday afternoon as innings _ pretty amazing. it is. yesterday afternoon as innings by, - pretty amazing. it is. yesterday afternoon as innings by, even i pretty amazing. it is. yesterday afternoon as innings by, even if you're watching a game in a screen on a pub here orjust out in one of the squares or in the fan zones, it's going to be absolutely electric. you gotta bear in mind, munich is a huge footballing city, germany is a nation that loves football, the combination of this very passionate and excitable scotland fans plus the german fans, and it being the opening of the tournament is going to be absolute sensational. tournament is going to be absolute sensational-— sensational. rick, i know you are a connoisseur of the game, you i sensational. rick, i know you are a connoisseur of the game, you are i connoisseur of the game, you are not simply their reporting for five live but tell us your thoughts on the game tonight and what are the chances for scotland, who are

clearly the underdog, but germany may be nervous, hosting this tournament, they have not won a big title for a while, a decade, i think. . �* , ,,, ., ~ ., think. that's right. speaking to german fans _ think. that's right. speaking to german fans and _ think. that's right. speaking to german fans and german i think. that's right. speaking to i german fans and german journalists, the germans are not going into this tournament particularly full of confidence. theirform has been patchy, the manager has come in and done an okjob, what patchy, the manager has come in and done an ok job, what they need is a big result, a statement result tonight to spark the campaign and get everyone going. if they do not get everyone going. if they do not get that, you do wonder how this tournament is going to progress for them and for theirfans, tournament is going to progress for them and for their fans, the feeling around their camp. i do think that the pressure is on, they will massively go into tonight game as favourites, of course but the one thing we know about that how steve clarke has set the scotland team up, they are hard to play against, they might not have as much as goal

threat as you would like but they are difficult to beat. they play with no fear, they've got some genuinely top—quality players in the middle of the park injohn mcginn and scott. they will go into this without any fear, believing that they could get the results. may be a win is pushing it too far but a draw would be a terrific result for them. they will believe they can get that tonight. they will believe they can get that toni t ht. ., they will believe they can get that tonitht. . , ., a tonight. final question, rick, i love the feature _ tonight. final question, rick, i love the feature that _ tonight. final question, rick, i love the feature that you i tonight. final question, rick, i love the feature that you have | tonight. final question, rick, i- love the feature that you have each morning, you highlight a german phrase or word and ask everyone to go and either guess or find phrase or word and ask everyone to go and either guess orfind out in some way what it means. yesterday's was... , , some way what it means. yesterday's was... , ., ., , some way what it means. yesterday's was... , ., ., was... yesterday's word means that the bear is — was... yesterday's word means that the bear is dancing, _ was... yesterday's word means that the bear is dancing, they _ was... yesterday's word means that the bear is dancing, they are - was. .. yesterday's word means that the bear is dancing, they are all- the bear is dancing, they are all quite idiomatic, syncretic phases i

think, but that phrase means the party is happening, the party is starting here. it's absolutely appropriate because there is absolutely dancing here. steve and callum are just _ absolutely dancing here. steve and callum are just two _ absolutely dancing here. steve and callum are just two of— absolutely dancing here. steve and callum are just two of the - absolutely dancing here. steve and i callum are just two of the thousands of scotland fans in the music i spoke to them earlier and asked him how it felt to be there.— how it felt to be there. feeling tood, how it felt to be there. feeling good. feeling _ how it felt to be there. feeling good, feeling excited, - how it felt to be there. feeling good, feeling excited, it i how it felt to be there. feeling good, feeling excited, it is i how it felt to be there. feeling i good, feeling excited, it is good to be here on match day, i've been here a few days and it's been building up nicely and i'm excited to get the score hopefully, hopefully scotland will be successful.— score hopefully, hopefully scotland will be successful. have you been to germany before? _ will be successful. have you been to germany before? many _ will be successful. have you been to germany before? many years i will be successful. have you been to germany before? many years ago, i | germany before? many years ago, i was a lot younger! _ germany before? many years ago, i was a lot younger! it's _ germany before? many years ago, i was a lot younger! it's been - was a lot younger! it's been brilliant, people for germany, it's been fantastic. it's great to see so many scottish fans here, as well. we were in munich yesterday... what many scottish fans here, as well. we were in munich yesterday... what are ou were in munich yesterday... what are you saying. — were in munich yesterday... what are you saying. callum. _ were in munich yesterday... what are you saying, callum, can _ were in munich yesterday... what are you saying, callum, can you - were in munich yesterday... what are you saying, callum, can you daddy i you saying, callum, can you daddy tellers? you are very quiet and you

said something. he tellers? you are very quiet and you said something._ tellers? you are very quiet and you said something. he said his shoe has fallen off! a — said something. he said his shoe has fallen off! a really _ said something. he said his shoe has fallen off! a really great _ said something. he said his shoe has fallen off! a really great reception i fallen off! a really great reception of air from the _ fallen off! a really great reception of air from the german _ fallen off! a really great reception of air from the german people i fallen off! a really great reception | of air from the german people and tell our viewers about how you have got to germany because you have been part of a convoy of people in... yes, in our motorhomes. camper vans, eah? to yes, in our motorhomes. camper vans, yeah? to motorhomes _ yes, in our motorhomes. camper vans, yeah? to motorhomes left _ yes, in our motorhomes. camper vans, yeah? to motorhomes left last - yes, in our motorhomes. camper vans, yeah? to motorhomes left last sunday| yeah? to motorhomes left last sunday ourselves and — yeah? to motorhomes left last sunday ourselves and it's _ yeah? to motorhomes left last sunday ourselves and it's been _ yeah? to motorhomes left last sunday ourselves and it's been eventful, i yeah? to motorhomes left last sunday ourselves and it's been eventful, so i ourselves and it's been eventful, so we had smoke coming out of one of the motorhomes within about 20 minutes of leaving dunfermline, we made it to germany, keith's motorhome lost 50, but it's all been worth it to get here. but motorhome lost 50, but it's all been worth it to get here.— worth it to get here. but you have tot there worth it to get here. but you have got there and _ worth it to get here. but you have got there and we _ worth it to get here. but you have got there and we are _ worth it to get here. but you have got there and we are showing i worth it to get here. but you have i got there and we are showing some worth it to get here. but you have - got there and we are showing some of the pictures of the trip. what an adventure and what a memory to create especially for the children. yes. that was the main thing, it was for the children and the memories.

last time i was 16 and i didn't go, i've been waiting my whole life to go and we just wanted to give this opportunity to the kids, basically, so to go up, we have so many comments from scotland fans, just enjoy it, so here we are, just important to be here. find enjoy it, so here we are, 'ust important to be here. and what have the children — important to be here. and what have the children been _ important to be here. and what have the children been saying _ important to be here. and what have the children been saying about - important to be here. and what have the children been saying about all. the children been saying about all of this? , ., , , of this? they are 'ust buzzing, soakin: of this? they are 'ust buzzing, soaking it h of this? they are 'ust buzzing, soaking it all _ of this? they are 'ust buzzing, soaking it all up, _ of this? they are just buzzing, soaking it all up, just - of this? they are just buzzing, soaking it all up, just really i soaking it all up, just really excited so to see this and the scotland fans singing yesterday, thousands of singing in the streets, it was brilliant.— it was brilliant. absolutely spine tin . linu , it was brilliant. absolutely spine tingling, really. _ it was brilliant. absolutely spine tingling, really. have— it was brilliant. absolutely spine tingling, really. have you - it was brilliant. absolutely spine tingling, really. have you got i tingling, really. have you got tickets for the game tonight? idol tickets for the game tonight? not not tickets tickets for the game tonight? lint got tickets for tonight, we have got tickets for the next two games so we are going up to cologne after this and then to stuttgart, we have got

tickets for those too but we could not get tickets for the night. we are going to be in the fan zone in the olympic park, will try to, anyway! the olympic park, will try to, an a ! ~ , ., �* , anyway! will try to get in. i'm sure it'll be amazing, _ anyway! will try to get in. i'm sure it'll be amazing, just _ anyway! will try to get in. i'm sure it'll be amazing, just a _ anyway! will try to get in. i'm sure it'll be amazing, just a final- it'll be amazing, just a final question, how are you feeling about scotland's chances tonight.- scotland's chances tonight. always o timistic! scotland's chances tonight. always optimistic! germany _ scotland's chances tonight. always optimistic! germany germany, - optimistic! germany germany, fantastic team with amazing players but scotland on their day, we showed it in the qualifiers in spain, we could match anyone so hopefully, we can get something, a draw, anything, but obviously, it is germany, we don't expect to win but you can't lose hope, we field hopejust now. i lose hope, we field hope just now. i hope steve and callum's wishes come true later on. the bbc has found that they have may be thousands of illegal sewage spills by english water companies in 2022. analysis of weather data and details of spells reported to regulators have identified raw sewage has been released in dry weather which is in

breach of regulations. here is our environment correspondent. every year the water companies release a summary of how often they spill raw sewage. they are big numbers but you cannot work out from them whether the spills were committed or not. if there has been lots of rain or melting snow spilling raw sewage can be legal as it stops the system being overwhelmed and sewage being backed up into our homes. the law is very clear, spills that have taken place when it has not rained are a breach of the water company's permits. breach of the water company's ermits. ~ ., ., ., ., , permits. when an overflow operates on a dry day — permits. when an overflow operates on a dry day there — permits. when an overflow operates on a dry day there is _ permits. when an overflow operates on a dry day there is less _ permits. when an overflow operates on a dry day there is less water - permits. when an overflow operates on a dry day there is less water in i on a dry day there is less water in the river and that sewage component becomes bigger and that is when we have problems with ammonia, dissolved oxygen so that causes problems for wildlife.— dissolved oxygen so that causes problems for wildlife. which is why there are legal. _ problems for wildlife. which is why there are legal. absolutely. - problems for wildlife. which is why there are legal. absolutely. to - there are legal. absolutely. to prevent dry spills the bbc developed a methodology which uses rainfall data from the met office to indicate whether spills can taken place when

the weather was dry. we then asked all of england's water company to provide us details of exactly when and where they spills in 2022. a famously hot and dry year. we have a big bbc investigation... last year three companies gave us their data. we revealed 388 possible dry spills. six companies refused at the bbc's request giving a variety of reasons including citing the fact that they are under criminal investigation, an explanation which the regulators reject. we explanation which the regulators re'ect. ~ ., �* ~' explanation which the regulators re'ect. ., �* ~' 3 explanation which the regulators re'ect. ~ �*, reject. we don't think it's good, it corrodes public _ reject. we don't think it's good, it corrodes public trust _ reject. we don't think it's good, it corrodes public trust in _ reject. we don't think it's good, it corrodes public trust in the - corrodes public trust in the industry. customers have paid for these monitors and paid for the data therefore i think that companies should share that data. um? therefore i think that companies should share that data.- therefore i think that companies should share that data. why are they refusin: to should share that data. why are they refusing to share _ should share that data. why are they refusing to share it _ should share that data. why are they refusing to share it with _ should share that data. why are they refusing to share it with us? - should share that data. why are they refusing to share it with us? you - refusing to share it with us? you

will have to _ refusing to share it with us? you will have to ask— refusing to share it with us? yfrl. will have to ask them. refusing to share it with us? you will have to ask them. so - refusing to share it with us? you will have to ask them. so we - refusing to share it with us? you| will have to ask them. so we did. wh did will have to ask them. so we did. why did so _ will have to ask them. so we did. why did so many _ will have to ask them. so we did. why did so many water _ will have to ask them. so we did. | why did so many water companies refused to give us the data from 2022, it does rather give the impression that give something to hide. i disagree. impression that give something to hide. idisagree. so impression that give something to hide. i disagree. so why were they would hold it? all of that data is available on the website not from 2022, i regret you there. the regulators gave us the data because the water companies wouldn't. it is for every individual company to explain — for every individual company to explain the basis on which it distributes the data, we are the most _ distributes the data, we are the most transparent industry in the world _ most transparent industry in the world when it comes to water. in the end, the environment _ world when it comes to water. in the end, the environment agency - world when it comes to water. in the: end, the environment agency stepped in and gave the bbc the company's data. ouranalysis in and gave the bbc the company's data. our analysis increases the total of possible dry spills in 2020 due to nearly 6000. those possible spills lasting more than 29,000 hours. are you surprised at the scale of this? i hours. are you surprised at the scale of this?— hours. are you surprised at the scale of this? i would like to say

i'm surprised — scale of this? i would like to say i'm surprised but _ scale of this? i would like to say i'm surprised but i _ scale of this? i would like to say i'm surprised but i am _ scale of this? i would like to say i'm surprised but i am not - i'm surprised but i am not surprised _ i'm surprised but i am not surprised. these - i'm surprised but i am not| surprised. these networks i'm surprised but i am not - surprised. these networks have not been _ surprised. these networks have not been invested — surprised. these networks have not been invested in— surprised. these networks have not been invested in four— surprised. these networks have not been invested in four decades, - surprised. these networks have not been invested in four decades, thatj been invested in four decades, that inveslmenl— been invested in four decades, that investment needs _ been invested in four decades, that investment needs to _ been invested in four decades, that investment needs to take _ been invested in four decades, that investment needs to take place. . been invested in four decades, thatl investment needs to take place. the water investment needs to take place. water company said the bbc methodology was flawed and said that many of the possible spills we identified were in fact equipment malfunctions. the identified were in fact equipment malfunctions.— malfunctions. the data is not sufficient _ malfunctions. the data is not sufficient to _ malfunctions. the data is not sufficient to draw _ malfunctions. the data is not sufficient to draw the - malfunctions. the data is not - sufficient to draw the conclusions regarding — sufficient to draw the conclusions regarding whether a spill or dry or wet. regardless, we do not want to see any— wet. regardless, we do not want to see any spill of any sewage regardless of dry or wet into our waterways. regardless of dry or wet into our waterways-— regardless of dry or wet into our waterwa s. ~ . , , ., waterways. water companies must from this ear waterways. water companies must from this year publish — waterways. water companies must from this year publish information _ waterways. water companies must from this year publish information about - this year publish information about their spills as they happen. more investigators like gavin here in essex are being recruited by the environment agency. data has made us aware of the scale of the sewage problem. the question now is how we fix it. a look at some of the days other news now. the supermarket chain tesco says that shoppers that

demand for fresh food has helped to push up sales in the last quarter by 3.4% push up sales in the last quarter by 3.li% year—on—year. tesco said the sales of three point... evidence that key consumer confidence was returning to the uk economy. nhs england medical director said that the union of non—prescribed any medication is putting peoples health at risk. drugs like zen pig which is prescribed for obesity and type two diabetes should not be used by people who as he put it want to get beach body ready. doctors have been treating patients with potentially deadly complications linked to using drugs. descended on the vatican, pope invited many famous people to

the vatican. the 87—year—old pontiff who is no stranger to the old joke said that a sense of humour lifts you up. today marks the seventh anniversary of the grenville tower tragedy when a 72 people were killed by a fire that engulfed their west london flat. it was the deadliest blaze in a uk residential building since the second world war. 12 of the victims came from the ethiopian and eritrean communities, half of them children. theirfamilies united in grief have been supporting each other as they continue their fight for justice. other as they continue their fight forjustice. our reporter has been to meet them. every day when the anniversary come is always stress and it adds more sorrow into our loss. they lost their sister in the grenville tower fire as —— as well

as their husband and three children. translation: i describe him as my own brother, he was a wonderful husband for my sister and a very good family unit. they were wonderful children. i miss them. her daughter had been awarded bill gates foundation, she would have been some sort of asset or work valuable for the country. translation: it is difficult to tell about my daughter in words, the same thing as her husband, they were wonderful. ibrahim from eritrea lost his brother and his sister—in—law and three—year—old niece, and a cousin who was visiting also died. he

heled who was visiting also died. he: helped the people, he helped the community, he was very funny, very cheerful, he tried to remove any problems from the family, friends and the community. he was very relaxed, very talented person. band relaxed, very talented person. and now the families have come together, ethiopia and eritrea may have a history of conflict but here in london they are united in their grief and fight for justice. london they are united in their grief and fight forjustice. in london they are united in their grief and fight forjustice. grief and fight for 'ustice. in the early stage h grief and fight for 'ustice. in the early stage of— grief and fight for 'ustice. in the early stage of the — grief and fight forjustice. in the early stage of the fire, - grief and fight forjustice. in the early stage of the fire, we - grief and fight forjustice. in the early stage of the fire, we were | early stage of the fire, we were really _ early stage of the fire, we were really struggling a lot but now this group _ really struggling a lot but now this group makes us together, it makes us to share _ group makes us together, it makes us to share information with one another— to share information with one another and that is really good. his son isaac another and that is really good. son isaac was another and that is really good. h 3 son isaac was lost in the fire and he regularly meets with the others. we get together and it is like a therapx —

we get together and it is like a thera . �* , , , we get together and it is like a thera-. h , , ., therapy. it's the biggest borough and ou therapy. it's the biggest borough and you have _ therapy. it's the biggest borough and you have the _ therapy. it's the biggest borough and you have the lost _ therapy. it's the biggest borough and you have the lost and - therapy. it's the biggest borough and you have the lost and on - therapy. it's the biggest borough and you have the lost and on topj therapy. it's the biggest borough i and you have the lost and on top of that not understanding the system, not understanding what is happening, and you cannot be able to express yourself, how he felt. it is really hard. every anniversary, each year, of course, is difficult for bereaved families and survivors of the fire but this year there is an extra anxiety and hope as in just a few months, the final report of the public inquiry will be published. translation: every day i have an inquiry for the last six years. personally, i hope for some sort of justice. i hope that the inquiry teaches this not to ever happen again but as far as we are concerned we lost ourfamily, again but as far as we are concerned we lost our family, we again but as far as we are concerned we lost ourfamily, we did not again but as far as we are concerned we lost our family, we did not have justice, we are still waiting for

justice. here is the weather. with matt taylor. we continue to search for signs of summer in the forecast but there is still numb just yet. low pressure in charge in the coming days, expect more of the same. more heavy showers around and temperatures will remain rather suppressed for this stage in the year. low pressure, as i mentioned, let's show you why because that low pressure is not moving much at all, it is stuck right over us, here it is on the chart. just moving slowly from west to east on friday and saturday and sunday. low pressure on the charts means low shower clouds building up. cooler and we are not going to shift that yet either. the rest of today, we have already seen showers developing quite ride delete widely some heathery and thundery. north—west wales and parts of north—west england and scotland could dry up a little bit more with fewer showers, could dry up a little bit more with fewershowers, more could dry up a little bit more with fewer showers, more on the way of

persistent rain in the north with scotland breezy and particularly cool but elsewhere certainly away from the sunshine it's going to feel rather cool for this stage injune. rather cool night to come tonight a cool night in fact because we'll see some clear skies around and more in the way of cloud persistent in scotland and a batch of showers working their way across england and wales with some clear spells in between. clear at the moment and temperatures will be down into single figures between one or two so at least a fresh start to the weekend, low pressure by this stage on saturday morning right across us. around the centre where the wind has been lightest, on the edges of it, top and tail of the country some windy conditions especially in the south—east, gusts of wind in excess of a0 miles an hour. longer spells of a0 miles an hour. longer spells of rain thundery for northern england and showers elsewhere rattling through in the breeze, one or two of you will stay dry but always be prepared for those wetter moments. if anything, tomorrow a little bit cooler than today, temperatures down one or 2 degrees on what we are seeing this afternoon. into sunday, we will see

persistent rain from the north of scotland late in the day, work its way southwards into southern scotland or northern ireland and england. this will be a wetter claudia spot, either side with the sunshine around some heavy thundery showers and a lot of sunshine around southern coastal counties later on and temperatures mayjust nudge up a little bit as a gun sunday afternoon. what happens beyond that? if anything, we may see things dry a little bit further southern parts but still the chance of some showers and cool conditions in the forecast.

live from london. this is bbc news. tens of thousands of fans descend on munich for euro 202a, the four week festival of football kicks off tonight with germany versus scotland. , ,, .,~ tonight with germany versus scotland. , ,, ., tonight with germany versus scotland. , ,, scotland. rishi sunak in to is fi . htina scotland. rishi sunak in to is fighting for — scotland. rishi sunak in to is fighting for every _ scotland. rishi sunak in to is fighting for every vote - scotland. rishi sunak in to is fighting for every vote is - scotland. rishi sunak in to is i fighting for every vote is parties part of a child benefit in the latest tv debate. and seeing double — an asian elephant in central thailand gives birth to a rare set of twins — taking everyone by surprise. we begin with football because a countdown is on ahead of kick—off at euro 202a when host germany take on scotland. the players have been taking part in a final training

ahead of the game in munich where they have beenjoined by ahead of the game in munich where they have been joined by tens of thousands of fans. all ages, all walks of life, one common passion. the tartan army has taken over munich,. most don't have tickets for the match against germany but the parties for the whole family. if rare parties for the whole family. if we will get germany _ parties for the whole family. if we will get germany in _ parties for the whole family. if we will get germany in any _ parties for the whole family. if "pr�*éi will get germany in any game, parties for the whole family. if we: will get germany in any game, you want them in the first game. they will be nervous, and we are the underdogs, we have nothing to lose. i don't have a ticket i am here with my male. — i don't have a ticket i am here with my mate, but i am happy to be here. one fan— my mate, but i am happy to be here. one fan walked all the way from glasgow to munich for a men's mental health charity and had high hopes scotland would also take great strides in the tournament. ii rare strides in the tournament. if we

win, i promised _ strides in the tournament. if we win, i promised i— strides in the tournament. if we win, i promised i would - strides in the tournament. if we win, i promised i would walk i strides in the tournament. if we: win, i promised i would walk back. more than 200,000 scotland fans are expected at the tournament, planning to be the 12th man. the expected at the tournament, planning to be the 12th man.— to be the 12th man. the support, we can't do it without _ to be the 12th man. the support, we can't do it without them. _ to be the 12th man. the support, we can't do it without them. we - to be the 12th man. the support, we can't do it without them. we hope i can't do it without them. we hope they enjoy— can't do it without them. we hope they enjoy themselves because if we can perform, we will give him plenty to shout— can perform, we will give him plenty to shout about that and if we can do that we _ to shout about that and if we can do that we can — to shout about that and if we can do that we can stay in germany longer. they have _ that we can stay in germany longer. they have travelled for this. that euros begin here. scotland couldn't have asked for a higher profile match, taking on the hosts germany in their back yard and in the opening game. a win over spain to qualify for their second consecutive euros has given scotland the confidence to defeat anyone. igrate confidence to defeat anyone. we should all confidence to defeat anyone. e should all be proud that we are here. hopefully, at the end of the tournament we are proud that we have achieved something more, something more special in regards to scottish football. abs, more special in regards to scottish football. : :, ., ., :, football. a win or a draw or may be a use

football. a win or a draw or may be a pipe dream. _ football. a win or a draw or may be a pipe dream. but _ football. a win or a draw or may be a pipe dream, but not _ football. a win or a draw or may be a pipe dream, but not the - football. a win or a draw or may be a pipe dream, but not the dog i football. a win or a draw or may be l a pipe dream, but not the dog in the fight, it is the fight in the dog. bbc five live breakfast presenter rick is in unit. —— rick is in munich. i caught up with him earlier and started by asking how his show went this morning. it was terrific, actually. the excitement is really building. there are thousands upon thousands of scotland fans here in munich now. we heard that there might be something like 200,000 scotland fans descending on germany, which seemed implausible, but yesterday out in the main square, which we are just up from now, in munich, it was heaving. there are only 10,000 tickets allocated to scotland fans. the other 190,000 fans i don't think our fussed. they are so excited to be here. it is the first foreign major tournament scotland has qualified for in the years, and they genuinely i think believe they have a chance

of getting out of the group, which is something they haven't done before. yeah, and chatting to a fan this morning who doesn't have a ticket for tonight butjust thrilled to be there, to be in the fan zone and to soak up the atmosphere which looks pretty amazing. yeah, it is. yesterday afternoon, evening is anything to go by, i think even if you are watching the game on a screen in a pub here orjust out in one of the squares are one of the fan zones, it is going to be absolutely electric. you have to bear in mind that munich is a huge footballing city. germany is a nation that loves football. so the combination of these very passionate, excitable scotland fans, plus the germany fans, and it being the opening of the tournament, it is going to be absolutely sensational. rick, i know you are a connoisseur of the game. you are not simply the reporting, but tell us your thoughts on the game tonight. and what are the chances for scotland? they are clearly the underdogs, but germany may be nervous, hosting this tournament, they haven't won a big title for a while now, a decade, i think. yeah, that's right.

speaking to german fans and german journalists, the germans are not going into this tournament particularly full of confidence. theirform has been patchy. julian nagelsmann has come in and done an ok job. what they need is a big result, a statement result tonight to spark the campaign and get everyone going. if they don't get that, you do wonder how this tournament is going to progress for them and for theirfans and the feeling around their camp. so i do think the pressure is on them. they will massively go into tonight's game as favourites, of course, but one thing you know about the way that steve clarke had said this scotland team cup is they are hard to play against. they might not have as much goal threat as he would like, but they are difficult to

beat, they play with no fear, they have got some genuinely players in middle of the park injohn mcginn and scott mctominay and i think they will go into this without any fear and they could get a result. may be a win is pushing it too far, but a maybe a win is pushing it too far, but a draw would be a terrific result for them, and they will believe they can get that tonight. just a final question, rick. i love the feature that you have each morning. you highlight a german phrase or word and ask everyone to go and either guess or find out in some way and what it means. yesterday's was... i am going to try and pronounce it... speaks german. how did i do? tell us what that is. yeah, it means the fair is dancing. they are all idiomatic, idiosyncratic phrases that we have picked. so the usage of that it effectively to say, the party is happening here, it is going off here. so it is absolutely perfect for the atmosphere here in munich, the fair is absolutely dancing here.

rishi sunak says he is still fighting for every vote. last night seniorfigures from the fighting for every vote. last night senior figures from the seven biggest parties took part in the latest live debate hosted by itv. but what impact all of these manifestos, debates and pledges are having and what voters are thinking? we are out across the uk today, in sheffield central held by labour with a massive majority of more than 27,000 votes in 2019 and my colleague anna foster is there. what colleague anna foster is there. what we are really — colleague anna foster is there. what we are really trying _ colleague anna foster is there. what we are really trying to _ colleague anna foster is there. “garnet we are really trying to do in colleague anna foster is there. wisgit we are really trying to do in this election, notjust take you around the country but also dig into those key issues, the cost of living comes up key issues, the cost of living comes up very often, health care, housing but we want to spend a few minutes talking about carers. this is the sheffield carers centre. they are both carers. and the ceo of the centre. we will talk about the

election, voting, what carers really need. kerry, you run this place. it is a last day of carers week. you are a labour party member but you were here speaking in a professional party as a ceo of the centre. what do you need from our politicians to make carers lives easier? igrate do you need from our politicians to make carers lives easier?— make carers lives easier? we need the next prime _ make carers lives easier? we need the next prime minister _ make carers lives easier? we need the next prime minister and - the next prime minister and government to acknowledge and recognise the value of carers. without— recognise the value of carers. without carers the nhs and social care system would collapse. so we want _ care system would collapse. so we want carers — care system would collapse. so we want carers to not be in poverty. we want _ want carers to not be in poverty. we want carers — want carers to not be in poverty. we want carers to not be in poverty. we want carers to have good health and well-being — want carers to have good health and well—being. and we also want carers not to— well—being. and we also want carers not to be _ well—being. and we also want carers not to be pushed to the limit, not to feel_ not to be pushed to the limit, not to feel they are going to have a breakdown because of caring. gk, breakdown because of caring. ok, paul breakdown because of caring. ok, paul, ou breakdown because of caring. ok, paul. you and _ breakdown because of caring. ok, paul, you and deb— breakdown because of caring. oi,

paul, you and deb are both breakdown because of caring. oi paul, you and deb are both carers and it was interesting what kerry said about feeling valued. do you feel that the work you do is valued by politicians at the moment cup, and what could they do to change that for you if not?— and what could they do to change that for you if not? from our point of view, that for you if not? from our point of view. my _ that for you if not? from our point of view. my wife — that for you if not? from our point of view, my wife is _ that for you if not? from our point of view, my wife is in _ that for you if not? from our point of view, my wife is in care - that for you if not? from our point of view, my wife is in care for i of view, my wife is in care for two years. _ of view, my wife is in care for two years. and — of view, my wife is in care for two years. and it— of view, my wife is in care for two years, and it costs _ of view, my wife is in care for two years, and it costs for— of view, my wife is in care for two years, and it costs for that - of view, my wife is in care for two years, and it costs for that care. i years, and it costs for that care. part _ years, and it costs for that care. part of _ years, and it costs for that care. part of the — years, and it costs for that care. part of the reasoning _ years, and it costs for that care. part of the reasoning behind i years, and it costs for that care. i part of the reasoning behind that is because _ part of the reasoning behind that is because the — part of the reasoning behind that is because the local— part of the reasoning behind that is because the local authorities - part of the reasoning behind that is| because the local authorities funded resident _ because the local authorities funded resident of— because the local authorities funded resident of the _ because the local authorities funded resident of the care _ because the local authorities funded resident of the care home _ because the local authorities funded resident of the care home pay- resident of the care home pay substantially— resident of the care home pay substantially less, _ resident of the care home pay substantially less, they- resident of the care home pay substantially less, they don'tl resident of the care home pay- substantially less, they don't even receive _ substantially less, they don't even receive the — substantially less, they don't even receive the full— substantially less, they don't even receive the full amount _ substantially less, they don't even receive the full amount of - substantially less, they don't even receive the full amount of the i substantially less, they don't evenj receive the full amount of the cost of their— receive the full amount of the cost of their care — receive the full amount of the cost of their care. so _ receive the full amount of the cost of their care. so there _ receive the full amount of the cost of their care. so there is _ receive the full amount of the cost of their care. so there is a - receive the full amount of the cost of their care. so there is a major. of their care. so there is a major issue _ of their care. so there is a major issue there — of their care. so there is a major issue there with _ of their care. so there is a major issue there with the _ of their care. so there is a major issue there with the financial i of their care. so there is a majorl issue there with the financial side of it _ issue there with the financial side of it what — issue there with the financial side of it what do _ issue there with the financial side of it. what do | _ issue there with the financial side of it. what do i feel? _ issue there with the financial side of it. what do | feel? |_ issue there with the financial side of it. what do i feel? i feel- issue there with the financial side of it. what do i feel? i feel that. of it. what do i feel? i feel that the government, _ of it. what do i feel? i feel that the government, the _ of it. what do i feel? i feel that the government, the next- of it. what do i feel? i feel that- the government, the next government need to— the government, the next government need to respect — the government, the next government need to respect and _ the government, the next government need to respect and understand - the government, the next government need to respect and understand that i need to respect and understand that this cross _ need to respect and understand that this cross subsidisation _ need to respect and understand that this cross subsidisation is _ need to respect and understand that

this cross subsidisation is not- this cross subsidisation is not realistic _ this cross subsidisation is not realistic i_ this cross subsidisation is not realistic. i pay— this cross subsidisation is not realistic. i pay £275— this cross subsidisation is not realistic. i pay £275 or - this cross subsidisation is not realistic. i pay £275 or more i this cross subsidisation is not. realistic. i pay £275 or more on that— realistic. i pay £275 or more on that local— realistic. i pay £275 or more on that local authority— realistic. i pay £275 or more on that local authority funded i realistic. i pay £275 or more on i that local authority funded people, and where — that local authority funded people, and where do — that local authority funded people, and where do we _ that local authority funded people, and where do we go? _ that local authority funded people, and where do we go? that- that local authority funded people, and where do we go?— that local authority funded people, and where do we go? that would make and where do we go? that would make a difference for _ and where do we go? that would make a difference for you. _ and where do we go? that would make a difference for you. deb, _ and where do we go? that would make a difference for you. deb, tell - and where do we go? that would make a difference for you. deb, tell us, i a difference for you. deb, tell us, when you are hearing all these manifesto promises from the different parties and you are deciding who to vote for, what would really stand out for you as policies for carers outward when your vote? i don't want it to be a one party political— don't want it to be a one party political issue. i would like all the political parties to work together to actually cooperate on this because i think it should be across— this because i think it should be across party think and i endorse what _ across party think and i endorse what my— across party think and i endorse what my colleagues here have said. it is very— what my colleagues here have said. it is very important that we are valued — it is very important that we are valued and it is a mark of... are we a civilised _ valued and it is a mark of... are we a civilised society? if we are, then we would — a civilised society? if we are, then we would care, we care for the people — we would care, we care for the people who need the care, we would

also care _ people who need the care, we would also care for— people who need the care, we would also care for those who are caring for them, — also care for those who are caring for them, we would care for the carers _ for them, we would care for the carers and — for them, we would care for the carers and is not happening and it has not _ carers and is not happening and it has not been happening for a very lon- has not been happening for a very longtime — has not been happening for a very long time. as a carer for 29 years, i have _ long time. as a carer for 29 years, i have felt— long time. as a carer for 29 years, i have felt really burnt out at various — i have felt really burnt out at various stages and i was looking after— various stages and i was looking after my— various stages and i was looking after my husband who was upstairs, couldn't— after my husband who was upstairs, couldn't come down the stairs, i was looking _ couldn't come down the stairs, i was looking after my mother who was downstairs and couldn't do stairs. i was running — downstairs and couldn't do stairs. i was running up and down and running ragged _ was running up and down and running ragged and _ was running up and down and running ragged and i— was running up and down and running ragged and i know that even though i love them _ ragged and i know that even though i love them dearly, i was not able to -ive love them dearly, i was not able to give them — love them dearly, i was not able to give them the proper care that they needed _ give them the proper care that they needed with looking after two of them _ needed with looking after two of them it— needed with looking after two of them. it was absolutely horrible. and i— them. it was absolutely horrible. and i felt— them. it was absolutely horrible. and i felt guilty and at the same time _ and i felt guilty and at the same time i— and i felt guilty and at the same time i felt i shouldn't be. this is how— time i felt i shouldn't be. this is how things _ time i felt i shouldn't be. this is how things are and that i was doing my best _ how things are and that i was doing my best. but in the process i know as a carer— my best. but in the process i know as a carer i — my best. but in the process i know as a carer i was not looking after myself — as a carer i was not looking after myself. and if you can't look after

yourself _ myself. and if you can't look after yourself properly, then how are you looking _ yourself properly, then how are you looking after other people question mark as— looking after other people question mark as a _ looking after other people question mark as a side —— as a society, we have _ mark as a side —— as a society, we have to _ mark as a side —— as a society, we have to change our attitude, our values _ have to change our attitude, our values and — have to change our attitude, our values and all the political parties. _ values and all the political parties, they need to set up and take _ parties, they need to set up and take notice. listen to people who have _ take notice. listen to people who have been— take notice. listen to people who have been doing this for years and like other— have been doing this for years and like other carers, and other members of the _ like other carers, and other members of the public— like other carers, and other members of the public generally, we're fed up of the public generally, we're fed up with— of the public generally, we're fed up with hearing promises that are not kept — up with hearing promises that are not kept and fed up with people ignoring — not kept and fed up with people ignoring carers and thenjust not kept and fed up with people ignoring carers and then just when it is time _ ignoring carers and then just when it is time then throwing us a few things— it is time then throwing us a few things by— it is time then throwing us a few things by they will do this or do that _ things by they will do this or do that but — things by they will do this or do that. but the public are cynical now, _ that. but the public are cynical now. they— that. but the public are cynical now, they cannot politicians. powerful— now, they cannot politicians. powerful messages from everyone here in sheffield about caring and what carers want to see in this election. anna, thank you very much for that. anna, thank you very much for that. anna foster in the sheffield central

constituency. just showing you now on your screens the full list of the candidates standing in that constituency of sheffield central, which you can see now. and three weeks into campaigning, that bbc poll tracker shows both the conservatives and labour slightly down to where they were when the election was called but third keir starmer�*s party still well ahead. on your screens now, you can see that the latest in the series of panorama interviews carried out by nick robinson is happening tonight and thatis robinson is happening tonight and that is with sir keir starmer tonight, as you can see there, at 7:30pm. it is part of our coverage of the election campaign. and now it is time for politics live. at it with jo is time for politics live. at it

withjo coburn.

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