election week three — many manifestos! labour promising wealth and no more political panto. sunak says he'll cut tax while labour will raise it. but it's nigel farage who's burst through this week, taunting the tories. most of the parties�* official plans have been piling up. and we have two party leaders joining us this week. the lib dem's ed davey and rhun ap iorwerth from plaid cymru. and with us in the studio for labour and the conservatives this week, the man who wants to be health secretary, wes streeting and mark harper, who hopes to stay as the tory transport secretary. last time you were here, we asked

the six steps?— the six steps? establish secure border command, _ the six steps? establish secure border command, crackdown . the six steps? establish secure | border command, crackdown on anti-social_ border command, crackdown on anti—social behaviour and train teachers. _ anti—social behaviour and train teachers, can i be forgiven? gur teachers, can i be forgiven? our viewers must — teachers, can i be forgiven? our viewers must have _ teachers, can i be forgiven? oi" viewers must have to decide! teachers, can i be forgiven? our viewers must have to decide! i l teachers, can i be forgiven? our - viewers must have to decide! i think sir keir starmer _ viewers must have to decide! i think sir keir starmer had _ viewers must have to decide! i think sir keir starmer had to _ viewers must have to decide! i think sir keir starmer had to decide, - viewers must have to decide! i think sir keir starmer had to decide, he i sir keir starmer had to decide, he has not _ sir keir starmer had to decide, he has not got — sir keir starmer had to decide, he has not got over it! can sir keir starmer had to decide, he has not got over it!— has not got over it! can you do a sloaan has not got over it! can you do a slogan perfectly _ has not got over it! can you do a slogan perfectly all— has not got over it! can you do a slogan perfectly all your - has not got over it! can you do a slogan perfectly all your five - slogan perfectly all your five pledges? slogan perfectly all your five led . es? s, , slogan perfectly all your five ledaes? l,, , , slogan perfectly all your five ledaes? , , l, pledges? the most useful thing is to do the one that _ pledges? the most useful thing is to do the one that wears _ pledges? the most useful thing is to do the one that wears forgot, - pledges? the most useful thing is to do the one that wears forgot, labour �*s 18 taxes that they are going to raise to close that their black hole and ones they have not ruled out. let's talk about your black hole, liz truss — let's talk about your black hole, liz truss on _ let's talk about your black hole, liz truss on steroids! john curtice will give his 60 seconds on sunday need to know on the polls. standing at just 20%, conservative support is now at its lowest ever in british polling history. match of the day theme. and remember this? why do politicians always want to show how much

they love the beautiful game? and forget 90 minutes, our team at the desk for the next 75 minutes this week. andy burnham, labour mayor of greater manchester. and nadine dorries, former conservative cabinet minister. actor brian cox, backer of scottish independence. morning, morning. we've got so much to squeeze in, we've got a slightly longer programme this week. it's 75 minutes as the election is getting — it's 75 minutes as the election is getting to — it's 75 minutes as the election is getting to its phase. so settle down and let's start with what's making the news as we always do. most of the papers put the first glimpse of the princess of wales on theirfront pages. there she is at the glory of trooping the colour. the prime minister's told

the sunday times his faith is getting him through this tricky campaign. his old friend, robertjenrick, the former immigration minister, says he shares voters' frustrations with his own party. but a vote for nigel farage is for a labour dictatorship. and finally the observer features a warning that both the tories and labour plans for the nhs would leave it strapped for cash. let's start with that. andy, you are health secretary once upon a time. you are one of the politicians who tried to change the social care system which has been really been struggling, ourviewers system which has been really been struggling, our viewers get in touch with it all the time. are you disappointed there is not a big plan for social care reform in the labour manifesto? i’m for social care reform in the labour manifesto?— manifesto? i'm encouraged by the labour manifesto. _ manifesto? i'm encouraged by the labour manifesto. i— manifesto? i'm encouraged by the labour manifesto. i also _ manifesto? i'm encouraged by the labour manifesto. i also think - manifesto? i'm encouraged by the labour manifesto. i also think it i manifesto? i'm encouraged by the labour manifesto. i also think it isi labour manifesto. i also think it is good that ed davey has been talking about care in this campaign. something has to change. we cannot go on like this. i have family experience of this at the moment. the situation where care workers are

coming into the home in the morning, and if something is likely wrong, theyjust ring 999. if you have a social care system like that, in the end it will collapse the nhs. the pressure it is putting on the nhs is huge. i had a plan for social care in 2010. 1&1 huge. i had a plan for social care in 2010. ' , ., , huge. i had a plan for social care in 2010. ' y ., , a, ., huge. i had a plan for social care in 2010._ sadly, - huge. i had a plan for social care| in 2010._ sadly, the in 2010. 14 years ago. sadly, the tories sabotaged _ in 2010. 14 years ago. sadly, the tories sabotaged it _ in 2010. 14 years ago. sadly, the tories sabotaged it with - tories sabotaged it with scaremongering, but, before nadine comes in, so did theresa may and 17. and so did borisjohnson in 2019. yes, and labour were scaremongering and that cannot be defended. wes has and that cannot be defended. wes has a plan for a national care service which is what i was talking about all those years ago, it has got to be a different plan because circumstances has changed but if there is going to be a labour government, i would ask everybody in the new parliament to get behind that plan to fix social care because you cannot but the nhs back on its feet without fixing social care. irate feet without fixing social care. we will talk about that quite a lot this morning because it is something which is missing from the big parties manifestos. we have not

heard from the snp yet, brian, but what have you picked out from the other big manifesto launches this week? ,,. other big manifesto launches this week? ,. ., other big manifesto launches this week? ., ., reall 7 week? same old, same old. really? i think, yeah. — week? same old, same old. really? i think. yeah. we _ week? same old, same old. really? i think, yeah, we are _ week? same old, same old. really? i think, yeah, we are not— week? same old, same old. really? i think, yeah, we are not progressing l think, yeah, we are not progressing in the _ think, yeah, we are not progressing in the way— think, yeah, we are not progressing in the way that we should progress. and we _ in the way that we should progress. and we are — in the way that we should progress. and we are being a little over canny about _ and we are being a little over canny about certain things. i agree with andy— about certain things. i agree with andy about the social care situation, i think we have to really attend _ situation, i think we have to really attend to — situation, i think we have to really attend to that big time. but there isjust_ attend to that big time. but there isjust so— attend to that big time. but there isjust so much attend to that big time. but there is just so much which attend to that big time. but there isjust so much which is very difficult _ isjust so much which is very difficult to — isjust so much which is very difficult to choose out who is who, really _ difficult to choose out who is who, really i_ difficult to choose out who is who, really. i fight. difficult to choose out who is who, really. ifight. my difficult to choose out who is who, really. i fight. my feeling difficult to choose out who is who, really. ifight. my feeling is, we 'ust really. ifight. my feeling is, we just need — really. ifight. my feeling is, we just need to get rid of the present government, that is the most important thing as far as i am concerned. and i think at the moment, _ concerned. and i think at the moment, it's a very... i don't know, i moment, it's a very... idon't know, hust— moment, it's a very... idon't know, ijust wish— moment, it's a very... i don't know, ijust wish i— moment, it's a very... i don't know, ijust wish i could be clearer about what _ ijust wish i could be clearer about what is _ ijust wish i could be clearer about what is going on, and i'm not. i'm not getting — what is going on, and i'm not. i'm not getting a _ what is going on, and i'm not. i'm not getting a sense of what is what and who _ not getting a sense of what is what and who is — not getting a sense of what is what and who is who. i'm getting a sense of who— and who is who. i'm getting a sense of who is— and who is who. i'm getting a sense of who is against and who is, you

know, _ of who is against and who is, you know. but— of who is against and who is, you know, but i'm not getting enough of where _ know, but i'm not getting enough of where we _ know, but i'm not getting enough of where we are supposed to be going. particularly— where we are supposed to be going. particularly in relationship to poverty. _ particularly in relationship to poverty, particularly in relationship to the care of the working — relationship to the care of the working class, and i feel the working _ working class, and i feel the working class, and i feel the working class are systematically being _ working class are systematically being sidestepped for a very long time _ being sidestepped for a very long time. so— being sidestepped for a very long time, ,, ., ., being sidestepped for a very long time. ., ,, ., , time. so what keir starmer put forward has — time. so what keir starmer put forward has not _ time. so what keir starmer put forward has not impressed - time. so what keir starmer put| forward has not impressed you? time. so what keir starmer put. forward has not impressed you? it has to a certain extent, but my main thing _ has to a certain extent, but my main thing is _ has to a certain extent, but my main thing is that— has to a certain extent, but my main thing is that we get rid of this government. that is the most important _ government. that is the most important thing as far as i'm concerned. important thing as far as i'm concerned-— important thing as far as i'm concerned. ., , ., , ., concerned. nadine, your party are struggling. _ concerned. nadine, your party are struggling. you _ concerned. nadine, your party are struggling, you have _ concerned. nadine, your party are struggling, you have been - concerned. nadine, your party are struggling, you have been rude i concerned. nadine, your party are i struggling, you have been rude about rishi sunak on lots of occasions but many of your colleagues are knocking on doors around the country at the moment. tell me that the what set in —— they say that the rot set in under borisjohnson and got worse under borisjohnson and got worse under liz truss, you backed most of them so do you feel some responsibility about how difficult it is for your colleagues in the country? i it is for your colleagues in the count ? , it is for your colleagues in the count ? h, ., it is for your colleagues in the count ? ., , ., country? i say i have been more factual than _ country? i say i have been more factual than rude, _ country? i say i have been more factualthan rude, i— country? i say i have been more factualthan rude, i always - country? i say i have been more factual than rude, i always try . country? i say i have been more i factual than rude, i always try not to he _ factual than rude, i always try not to be rude — factual than rude, i always try not to be rude i_ factual than rude, i always try not to be rude. i have _ factual than rude, i always try not to be rude. i have been— factual than rude, i always try not to be rude. i have been factual. factual than rude, i always try notl to be rude. i have been factual but the fact— to be rude. i have been factual but the fact that —

to be rude. i have been factual but the fact that rishi _ to be rude. i have been factual but the fact that rishi sunak— to be rude. i have been factual but the fact that rishi sunak is - to be rude. i have been factual but the fact that rishi sunak is losing i the fact that rishi sunak is losing the fact that rishi sunak is losing the conservative _ the fact that rishi sunak is losing the conservative party— the fact that rishi sunak is losing the conservative party its - the fact that rishi sunak is losing the conservative party its huge . the conservative party its huge majority~ — the conservative party its huge majority~ and _ the conservative party its huge majority. and what _ the conservative party its huge majority. and what i _ the conservative party its huge majority. and what i find, - the conservative party its huge majority. and what i find, and i the conservative party its huge| majority. and what i find, and i the conservative party its huge - majority. and what i find, and i am probably— majority. and what i find, and i am probably on— majority. and what i find, and i am probably on the _ majority. and what i find, and i am probably on the doorstep _ majority. and what i find, and i am probably on the doorstep because i majority. and what i find, and i am i probably on the doorstep because you have a _ probably on the doorstep because you have a full—time _ probably on the doorstep because you have a full—time job _ probably on the doorstep because you have a full—time job here, _ probably on the doorstep because you have a full—time job here, slightly- have a full—time job here, slightly more _ have a full—time job here, slightly more than — have a full—time job here, slightly more than you _ have a full—time job here, slightly more than you are _ have a full—time job here, slightly more than you are at _ have a full—time job here, slightly more than you are at the - more than you are at the moment, what _ more than you are at the moment, what people — more than you are at the moment, what people are _ more than you are at the moment, what people are very— more than you are at the moment, what people are very angry - more than you are at the moment, what people are very angry about i more than you are at the moment, | what people are very angry about is that when_ what people are very angry about is that when conservative _ what people are very angry about is that when conservative mps - what people are very angry about is that when conservative mp5 or - what people are very angry about is that when conservative mp5 or anyl that when conservative mp5 or any mp5 that when conservative mp5 or any mps decide — that when conservative mp5 or any mps decide to _ that when conservative mp5 or any mp5 decide to remove _ that when conservative mp5 or any mp5 decide to remove the - that when conservative mp5 or any mp5 decide to remove the elected | mps decide to remove the elected choice _ mps decide to remove the elected choice of— mps decide to remove the elected choice of the — mps decide to remove the elected choice of the people _ mps decide to remove the elected choice of the people without - mps decide to remove the elected choice of the people without a - choice of the people without a general— choice of the people without a general election, _ choice of the people without a general election, that - choice of the people without a general election, that space . choice of the people without a l general election, that space it, choice of the people without a - general election, that space it, we have _ general election, that space it, we have had _ general election, that space it, we have had two— general election, that space it, we have had two prime _ general election, that space it, we have had two prime ministers - general election, that space it, we have had two prime ministers who| have had two prime ministers who have _ have had two prime ministers who have not— have had two prime ministers who have not been_ have had two prime ministers who have not been elected _ have had two prime ministers who have not been elected by- have had two prime ministers who have not been elected by the - have had two prime ministers who. have not been elected by the people, they will_ have not been elected by the people, they will get — have not been elected by the people, they will get very _ have not been elected by the people, they will get very angry— have not been elected by the people, they will get very angry about - have not been elected by the people, they will get very angry about that. l they will get very angry about that. and they— they will get very angry about that. and they are — they will get very angry about that. and they are. and _ they will get very angry about that. and they are. and it's _ they will get very angry about that. and they are. and it's not - they will get very angry about that. and they are. and it's not so - they will get very angry about that. and they are. and it's not so much| and they are. and it's not so much that they— and they are. and it's not so much that they are — and they are. and it's not so much that they are in— and they are. and it's not so much that they are in love _ and they are. and it's not so much that they are in love with - and they are. and it's not so much that they are in love with labour. and they are. and it's not so much| that they are in love with labour or labour's _ that they are in love with labour or labour's policies, _ that they are in love with labour or labour's policies, but _ that they are in love with labour or labour's policies, but they- that they are in love with labour or labour's policies, but they are - that they are in love with labour or labour's policies, but they are very angry— labour's policies, but they are very angry with — labour's policies, but they are very angry with the _ labour's policies, but they are very angry with the conservative - labour's policies, but they are very angry with the conservative party. angry with the conservative party removing — angry with the conservative party removing boris _ angry with the conservative party removing borisjohnson - angry with the conservative party removing boris johnson who - angry with the conservative party removing boris johnson who wasl angry with the conservative party. removing boris johnson who was the choice _ removing boris johnson who was the choice of— removing boris johnson who was the choice of the — removing boris johnson who was the choice of the people _ removing boris johnson who was the choice of the people and _ removing boris johnson who was the choice of the people and then - choice of the people and then removing _ choice of the people and then removing li2— choice of the people and then removing liz truss _ choice of the people and then removing liz truss and - choice of the people and then removing liz truss and neverl choice of the people and then - removing liz truss and never having a general _ removing liz truss and never having a general election _ removing liz truss and never having a general election. people - removing liz truss and never having a general election. people are - removing liz truss and never having a general election. people are not. a general election. people are not in love _ a general election. people are not in love with — a general election. people are not in love with labour _ a general election. people are not in love with labour but _ a general election. people are not in love with labour but they- a general election. people are not in love with labour but they are l in love with labour but they are very— in love with labour but they are very angry— in love with labour but they are very angry with— in love with labour but they are very angry with the _ in love with labour but they are very angry with the tories. - in love with labour but they are | very angry with the tories. let’s very angry with the tories. let's crack on with _ very angry with the tories. let's crack on with our— very angry with the tories. let's crack on with our interviews. - very angry with the tories.- crack on with our interviews. we will have plenty with you later. what's on your mind, especially during the campaign? email us at kuenssberg@bbc.co.uk or on social use the hashtag

#bbclaurak and we'll hear from you later on. keep your questions for our politicians coming too. there is also lots on the website as we go through the programme. welcome, wes streeting. you have passed the first test, let's see how you get on with the question. gill you get on with the question. fill downhill from here! we have talked a lot about your promises for extra points in the nhs, we want to talk about things we have not had answers on yet. we have just been talking to andy burnham about social care. we have looked through your documents this week, there is nothing in there about raising extra any resource or cash for social care, even though you yourself allowed to grip the immediate crisis, and i am quoting you from 2023. why have you not put forward a big bold offer on such an urgent problem? in forward a big bold offer on such an urgent problem?— urgent problem? in terms of the first step to _ urgent problem? in terms of the first step to will _ urgent problem? in terms of the first step to will take _ urgent problem? in terms of the first step to will take to - urgent problem? in terms of the first step to will take to grip - urgent problem? in terms of the first step to will take to grip the | first step to will take to grip the crisis, there are a few elements.

crucially on workforce, to make sure we can recruit and retain the care workforce that we need, we are going to negotiate britain's first ever fair pay agreement for social care workers, learning from our experience of introducing the first national minimum wage, we will bring together the employers and trade unions, local government, and national government, to negotiate future for pay and career progression for the care workforce. we will make sure we have got consistent national standards in every part of the country. and on funding, i make no bones about the fact that whether it is social care or arrange other things, of course my ambition is to go further but we are dealing with a really difficult set of circumstances, both in terms of public finances but also in terms of public finances but also in terms of family finances, and we have to get onto this issue of notjust the additional financing that is needed but also how you spend the money thatis but also how you spend the money that is going in well. for example, in st mary's in paddington the other day, there was a patient waiting 60 days, fit enough to lead, stopped in

a bed costing thousands of pounds every day, that men —— fit enough to leave and stuck in a bed. we have called budgeted nhs and social care in leeds to give better care for people and better tax payer value. i people and better tax payer value. i want to be really clear, there is no immediate reform of the social care system in a big way and no immediate extra resource for the social care system in your manifesto, that is one of the reasons why we want to talk about it. one of the reasons why we want to talk about it— talk about it. dealing with the late dischar: es talk about it. dealing with the late discharges is _ talk about it. dealing with the late discharges is reform _ talk about it. dealing with the late discharges is reform and - talk about it. dealing with the late discharges is reform and would . talk about it. dealing with the late i discharges is reform and would free up discharges is reform and would free up resources. taking the challenge that andy set forward about the long—term change needed, this is one of those issues where i don't mind saying even in the middle of an election campaign, there is plenty of blame going around, labour, the conservatives, the snp and the liberal democrats have got a lot to blame to take. i wanted to have a different politics and social care

and i accept the challenge that andy has set out which is to after the election, get people together, crucially the people who use care, disabled people in theirfamilies or older people, but also to build a different type of politics.- different type of politics. well, let's. .. different type of politics. well, let's- -- so _ different type of politics. well, let's. .. so the _ different type of politics. well, let's. .. so the plan _ different type of politics. well, let's. .. so the plan we - different type of politics. well, let's. .. so the plan we set - different type of politics. well, let's. .. so the plan we set out| different type of politics. well, i let's. .. so the plan we set out can survive changes _ let's. .. so the plan we set out can survive changes of— let's. .. so the plan we set out can survive changes of government, i survive changes of government, personality and colour.— survive changes of government, personality and colour. let's hear from one of— personality and colour. let's hear from one of them, _ personality and colour. let's hear from one of them, our— personality and colour. let's hear from one of them, our view i personality and colour. let's hear from one of them, our view want| personality and colour. let's hear- from one of them, our view want you to get on with this, they don't want any more talking shops about social care reform, there have been plenty of those, all sorts of attempts get people together over the years but this is about what you would do if you would win. he is a question from ian fisher, one of our viewers. my mother—in—law has been in a care home for seven years this july. to date she's spent £430,000, £7,000 per month currently. she is receiving very good care. i wonder if you think it's fair that all her money down to £23,250 should be spent without any help from the government or council. is that fair? no, and one of the

things that we have committed to is the cap on care costs which is due to come in, i have wanted to give the system the certainty this side of the election of knowing we are not planning to come in and upend that and scrap that. so not planning to come in and upend that and scrap that.— that and scrap that. so to be clear with viewers. _ that and scrap that. so to be clear with viewers, you _ that and scrap that. so to be clear with viewers, you would _ that and scrap that. so to be clear with viewers, you would stick i that and scrap that. so to be clear with viewers, you would stick to i that and scrap that. so to be clear. with viewers, you would stick to the plan that the government has set out that not until october 2025, people would be allowed to keep their own savings and resources up to a limit of £100,000? i savings and resources up to a limit of £100,000?— savings and resources up to a limit of £100,000? i have met with agger deal not, of £100,000? i have met with agger deal not. what _ of £100,000? i have met with agger deal not, what he _ of £100,000? i have met with agger deal not, what he set _ of £100,000? i have met with agger deal not, what he set out _ of £100,000? i have met with agger deal not, what he set out as - of £100,000? i have met with agger deal not, what he set out as a - deal not, what he set out as a framework that can be adjusted when resources allow but that is already there and i'm not interested in tearing things down until we have got something better to put in its place. i'm absolutely committed to building a national care service over the course of a decade, bringing people together from across the political divide, to make sure that as with the broad consensus, obviously different government have different records and let's not understate that, broadly speaking on the nhs, on how we fund our public

services, we might have different policies from election to election, we certainly have different track record on the nhs, but there is a broad consensus. i want to build aduu broad consensus. i want to build adult social care. we have got a lot to answer in terms of the failure of social care, i think the way we can redeem ourselves is to work together with a different type of politics because there are good idea across different parties. 50 because there are good idea across different parties.— different parties. so in the heat of an election _ different parties. so in the heat of an election campaign, _ different parties. so in the heat of an election campaign, of - different parties. so in the heat of an election campaign, of course, i an election campaign, of course, politicians are chucking mud at each other, they are chucking criticisms and claims and counter claims at each other. are you saying today that it each other. are you saying today thatitis each other. are you saying today that it is labour policy to have some kind of independent commission on social care to try to fix this, some kind of royal commission, what are you saying? i some kind of royal commission, what are you saying?— are you saying? i want to actually aet are you saying? i want to actually net the are you saying? i want to actually get the parties — are you saying? i want to actually get the parties around _ are you saying? i want to actually get the parties around the - are you saying? i want to actually get the parties around the table i are you saying? i want to actually i get the parties around the table and say, let's do this together, let's think about how we do this, and let's make sure that we do not let families down that successive governments have. you say about flinging mud in this election campaign and the differences, elections are about choices and it's

important to bring the choice out. i would also agree with what andy was saying about ed davey. i must say i was envious when he was at thorpe park the other day but i think he has done an entire campaign was that really powerful video about his experiences of care. we really powerful video about his experiences of care.— really powerful video about his experiences of care. we are talking to him later- _ experiences of care. we are talking to him later. some _ experiences of care. we are talking to him later. some other— experiences of care. we are talking to him later. some other bodies i experiences of care. we are talking l to him later. some other bodies have aood ideas to him later. some other bodies have good ideas come _ to him later. some other bodies have good ideas come the _ to him later. some other bodies have good ideas come the lib _ to him later. some other bodies have good ideas come the lib dems - to him later. some other bodies have good ideas come the lib dems have i good ideas come the lib dems have good ideas come the lib dems have good ideas, let's work together beyond the heat of the election campaign to do something which has escaped and eluded every single government, whether it has had a labour complexion, conservative, lib dems or snp complexion. you labour complexion, conservative, lib dems or snp complexion.— dems or snp complexion. you have 'ust said dems or snp complexion. you have just said the — dems or snp complexion. you have just said the lib _ dems or snp complexion. you have just said the lib dems _ dems or snp complexion. you have just said the lib dems have - dems or snp complexion. you have just said the lib dems have good i just said the lib dems have good ideas on this, so why does labour not yet have developed a good ideas on this? the problem for some of our viewers is we are very pleased to have you here in this studio, but you have sat in that seat on many occasions over the last 18 months and said, i promise i will come back with a plan for social care. we are going to announce it, i will come back with it, you have said that many times. yet when we get to the point of the manifesto, you have put

it in the too difficult for now box, you are talking about reform over ten years if you are lucky enough to win this time and then looking a second term. you're still offering people a vague, we will talk about it and maybe fix it in the long term. that is maybe not good enough for families like term. that is maybe not good enough forfamilies like ian or term. that is maybe not good enough for families like ian or people watching this morning you have heard you saying, i will try to fix fix. i you saying, i will try to fix fix. i think in being honest with people, building a national care service is work which is a decade in the making. that is honest and that is where the credibility comes from. if we were to introduce our fair pay agreement, that would be transformational in the pit entity to —— in our ability to recruit workforce, putting money in the pockets who are by and large working class women in parts of the country where we have had a low pay economy. how much would it cost? just where we have had a low pay economy. how much would it cost?— how much would it cost? just to finish this point, _ how much would it cost? just to finish this point, i _ how much would it cost? just to finish this point, i make - how much would it cost? just to finish this point, i make no i how much would it cost? just to i finish this point, i make no bones

about the fact that i would would have wanted the matavesi to be more ambitious about social care but you had to answer two fundamental questions to get the policy in the manifesto. can we keep his promise and can the country of audit? if the answer was no, and can the country of audit? if the answerwas no, —— and can the country of audit? if the answer was no, —— can we keep this promise, and can the country afford this promise? if the answer was no, did not go in the manifesto. so people can trust everything a policy which can offer real change to our country. once we get the economy growing which is an essential starting point to the next labour government if we win, we will have more available to invest in public services or put back into people's pockets because if the economy had grown under this government at the same rate it had grown in the last labour government, there would be tens of millions available to put into public services or peoples pockets. into public services or peoples ockets. , ., . ., pockets. there is nothing certain about growth _ pockets. there is nothing certain about growth and _ pockets. there is nothing certain about growth and the _ pockets. there is nothing certain about growth and the last - pockets. there is nothing certain| about growth and the last labour government did not have to deal with

a pandemic and an energy shock. shall a pandemic and an energy shock. all liz a pandemic and an energy shock. fill liz truss and a catastrophic budget and they are going to do all over again. and they are going to do all over aaain. ., ., ., , ., again. your fair pay deal is what ou are again. your fair pay deal is what you are promising _ again. your fair pay deal is what you are promising for— again. your fair pay deal is what you are promising for care i again. your fair pay deal is what i you are promising for care workers. the lib dems say that care workers should be paid £2 above the minimum wage at least, what you think is the minimum care worker should be paid per hour? i minimum care worker should be paid er hour? ~ . minimum care worker should be paid er hour? ~' ., ., ., per hour? i think we have got to neuotiate per hour? i think we have got to negotiate that, _ per hour? i think we have got to negotiate that, as _ per hour? i think we have got to negotiate that, as we _ per hour? i think we have got to negotiate that, as we did - per hour? i think we have got to negotiate that, as we did when i per hour? i think we have got to l negotiate that, as we did when we introduce the first—ever national minimum wage. that is how will approach this. and notjust the minimum play, by the way. i want to care to be regarded as and respected as a profession, because when i have spent time with those care workers, as they are so often called, i see care professionals doing a really tough, really vitaljob that i think should be regarded as a profession so i want to make sure there is real career progression so we can get staff across the nhs and social networking. staff across the nhs and social networking-— staff across the nhs and social networkin.. ., ., ., ., networking. you have made a point about standards _ networking. you have made a point about standards but _ networking. you have made a point about standards but if _ networking. you have made a point about standards but if you - networking. you have made a point about standards but if you win, i networking. you have made a point about standards but if you win, youj about standards but if you win, you will be the health secretary in a

couple of weeks. i think people might hear you say, i want to negotiate and sit down, people want to know what you think. there is a job being advertised for a live—in care assistant at a care home in your constituency and the pay advertised is £94 per day. is your constituency and the pay advertised is £94 per day. is that fair? no, i— advertised is £94 per day. is that fair? no, i doubt— advertised is £94 per day. is that fair? no, i doubt that _ advertised is £94 per day. is that fair? no, | doubt that it- advertised is £94 per day. is that fair? no, i doubt that it is. i advertised is £94 per day. is that fair? no, i doubt that it is. that | fair? no, i doubt that it is. that is why we have put their —— i don't think it is. this is why we have put their pay in our manifesto. this would be a first. that tells you the priority we attach to this. to give people the reassurance, who will be ultimately responsible if labour wins the general election for this? you have got a health and social care secretary who has come from a working—class background, who knows exactly what poverty pay means, and the consequences of it, sat to a deputy prime minister in angela rayner who herself has come through the social care profession. who do you trust more to understand and

recognise the vital work that care workers do? myself and angela rayner or rishi sunak, the most out of touch by minister in history? you can explain _ touch by minister in history? you can explain your _ touch by minister in history? you can explain your back story but you will not tell us how much care workers you think should be paid. like the minimum wage, it has got to be a negotiated settlement, it has to be sustainable and we have got to be do better over time. that is how real change comes about, not with the kind of unfunded gimmicks we have seen in the conservative election campaign which could see people's mortgages go up by £4800 because we have got the mini budget on steroids with tens of billions of unfunded commitments, that is not change you can believe in, that is no change at all. we change you can believe in, that is no change at all.— change you can believe in, that is no change at all. we will be talking to the conservatives _ no change at all. we will be talking to the conservatives in _ no change at all. we will be talking to the conservatives in a _ no change at all. we will be talking to the conservatives in a couple i no change at all. we will be talking to the conservatives in a couple of| to the conservatives in a couple of minutes. if you are health secretary in a couple of weeks, how would you deal with thejunior in a couple of weeks, how would you deal with the junior doctors who are due to go on strike for five days before the election, what you say to them? i before the election, what you say to them? ., ., ., them? i have said today in an interview _ them? i have said today in an interview with _ them? i have said today in an interview with the _ them? i have said today in an interview with the sun - them? i have said today in an interview with the sun on i them? i have said today in an i interview with the sun on sunday, and i have spoken directly to the bmi -- bma, iwant and i have spoken directly to the bmi —— bma, iwant them and i have spoken directly to the bmi —— bma, i want them to all of these strikes. to be honest, this

government is not going to result strikes before polling day. if these strikes before polling day. if these strikes take place, all that will happen is patients will suffer more delayed and cancelled operations and appointments, and junior doctors are going to lose money from their pockets that i know they need because cost of living is difficult so i say, hold off, give change a chance, if there is a labour government on the 5th ofjuly, one of my first calls will be to the junior doctors representatives. and i will be asking the department straightaway to initiate the urgent resumption of talks so we can negotiate an end to these strikes once and for all. this negotiate an end to these strikes once and for all.— once and for all. this all comes down to cash — once and for all. this all comes down to cash and _ once and for all. this all comes down to cash and the _ once and for all. this all comes down to cash and the nuffield i once and for all. this all comes i down to cash and the nuffield trust, a highly respected think tank, has said today that neither your plans nor the conservatives are essentially enough for what the nhs needs and they have calculated that the nhs would be more strapped for cash even though the totals are going up, then during the austerity years. keir starmersays going up, then during the austerity years. keir starmer says they will not be a return to austerity but the nuffield trust says you are offering austerity in the health service,

that doesn't add up.— austerity in the health service, that doesn't add up. what they have not wron: , that doesn't add up. what they have got wrong. and _ that doesn't add up. what they have got wrong. and i _ that doesn't add up. what they have got wrong, and i have _ that doesn't add up. what they have got wrong, and i have a _ that doesn't add up. what they have got wrong, and i have a huge - that doesn't add up. what they have l got wrong, and i have a huge amount of respect for them, is that a manifesto is not a spending review, it is not five years worth of budgets, a manifesto in our case is a fully costed set of promises that we can keep the money is there. the £2 million in the manifesto pays for more appointments every week, doubles the number of scanners, mental health support in every school in the country, mental health workers to cut waiting lists, community health hubs in every community, 700,000 urgent dentistry appointments and i could go on. every one of those promises costed and fully funded, everyone of them real change and a foundation for the recovery of our national health service. . , , , service. that is very interesting, and that is _ service. that is very interesting, and that is significant, _ service. that is very interesting, and that is significant, you i service. that is very interesting, and that is significant, you have| and that is significant, you have just said, the manifesto is a starting point. that means there could be significant extra spending in future years, and potentially, significantly more tax rises to pay for the things that you want to do. the number one priority of a labour

government is to get growth back into our economy. i wish i could, compared to where we are now and 1997, things were bad then but they are catastrophically worse now. we cannot do what the last labour government did, 1p on national insurance to fund the nhs. because working people have been clobbered by the tories and even though they want more nhs investment and police on the street and more teachers in their schools, they are feeling pain at the moment as families. they are cancelling family holidays, worried about how they are going to afford rent, mortgage and bills, worried about theirfuture. so rent, mortgage and bills, worried about their future. so we have rent, mortgage and bills, worried about theirfuture. so we have made fairer choices, closing down on tax avoidance, closing the non—dom loopholes which tories left in for their mates, a real windfall tax on oil and gas giants, sarahjoyce is to fund our promises but we have got to fund our promises but we have got to get back to growth.— to get back to growth. would you rule out putting _ to get back to growth. would you rule out putting up _ to get back to growth. would you rule out putting up council- to get back to growth. would you rule out putting up council tax i to get back to growth. would you rule out putting up council tax or| rule out putting up council tax or revaluing the system? social care, thatis revaluing the system? social care, that is one of the income streams that is one of the income streams that councils rely on, would you do

that? ~ ., that councils rely on, would you do that? . ., ., , that councils rely on, would you do that? ~ ., ., , ., , that? we do not see the tax burden on workin: that? we do not see the tax burden on working people _ that? we do not see the tax burden on working people increase. - that? we do not see the tax burden on working people increase. i i that? we do not see the tax burden on working people increase. i know| on working people increase. i know the conservatives have baked into their plans council tax rises, that is in the government's spending forecast. what rachel wreaths is going to work to do is get growth back into our economy so we can invest in our public services and ease that. invest in our public services and ease that-— invest in our public services and ease that. ., ., . ., , invest in our public services and ease that. ., .. ., , , ease that. -- what rachel wreaths is auoin to ease that. -- what rachel wreaths is going to do- — ease that. -- what rachel wreaths is going to do. would _ ease that. -- what rachel wreaths is going to do. would you _ ease that. -- what rachel wreaths is going to do. would you rule - ease that. -- what rachel wreaths is going to do. would you rule out i going to do. would you rule out increasing —— rachel reeves. would you raise council tax? i am asking you raise council tax? i am asking you about council tax. the current spending plans set out by the conservatives assume a certain rise in council tax over time, would you rule out increasing that even further, and would you rule out a reevaluation of the council tax system that many people think is long overdue? i system that many people think is long overdue?— long overdue? i know the conservatives _ long overdue? i know the conservatives have i long overdue? i know the conservatives have baked long overdue? i know the i conservatives have baked into long overdue? i know the - conservatives have baked into their planned inflation busting increases in council tax, rises in fuel duty and other taxes that will hits working people. it is our ambition

to get our country back to growth so we can invest in public services... you are not ruling it out?- you are not ruling it out? every romise you are not ruling it out? every promise in _ you are not ruling it out? every promise in our— you are not ruling it out? every promise in our manifesto i you are not ruling it out? every promise in our manifesto is i you are not ruling it out? every promise in our manifesto is a l promise in our manifesto is a promise in our manifesto is a promise we can keep and the country can afford and none of those pages in our manifesto requires increases in our manifesto requires increases in council tax or fuel duty or any of the number of taxes the tories are claiming we want to increase but you should ask mark harper because they have not ruled out those tax increases either and it is time to scrutinise the tories because if there is a nightmare on downing street on the 5th ofjuly, they will do what liz truss did on steroids because we have got this manifesto... $5 because we have got this manifesto. . ._ because we have got this manifesto... ~ , i. ., , manifesto... as you have 'ust reminded fl manifesto... as you have 'ust reminded us, i manifesto... as you have 'ust reminded us, iti manifesto... as you have 'ust reminded us, it isi manifesto... as you have 'ust reminded us, it is time i manifesto... as you have just reminded us, it is time to - manifesto... as you have just | reminded us, it is time to talk manifesto... as you have just i reminded us, it is time to talk to mike harper. ailiilur reminded us, it is time to talk to mike harper-— reminded us, it is time to talk to mike harper. our time with you is u -. thank mike harper. our time with you is un- thank you _ mike harper. our time with you is up. thank you for _ mike harper. our time with you is up. thank you for having - mike harper. our time with you is up. thank you for having me. - mike harper. our time with you is l up. thank you for having me. thank ou for up. thank you for having me. thank you for having _ up. thank you for having me. thank you for having a _ up. thank you for having me. thank you for having a discussion - up. thank you for having me. thank you for having a discussion about i you for having a discussion about social care. lots of people at home care about it. how is it all being digested by the public in those all—important polls? one poll last week suggested reform

had nipped ahead of the tories. but how is the overall picture looking? here'sjohn curtice's 60 seconds on sunday. one poll this week stole the headlines. a yougov poll put reform one point ahead of the conservatives. but no other poll reported the same finding, though every poll has reported a fall in the conservative support and nearly all, a narrowing of the conservative lead over reform. so what last week was an average eight point conservative lead over reform has now halved to just four points. and standing atjust 20%, conservative support is now at its lowest ever in british polling history. mr sunak, whose own personal ratings have clearly fallen, must be beginning to doubt his decision to call the election early. not that labour have had it their own way.

like the conservatives, their support is also down by two points. labour are being challenged by the greens, still on 6%, and the liberal democrats, whose vote, up in every poll this week, now stands at 12%. mark harper's one of the conservatives trying to shift that picture. said stubbornly, the conservatives have been behind. he announced tax cuts in your manifesto on tuesday and is not shifting, why is that? you interview with wes streeting was instructed, he has let the cat out of the bag on labour's plans. he confirmed on your show that their manifesto was not the whole story, it was not a programme for government, it was a document to get them through the election campaign. —— he has more spending promises they come which means more taxes, it

means exactly what we have been saying all the way through. what means exactly what we have been saying all the way through. what he said was that _ saying all the way through. what he said was that after _ saying all the way through. what he said was that after a _ saying all the way through. what he said was that after a campaign - saying all the way through. what he said was that after a campaign we l said was that after a campaign we would hope to then have a spending review on future budgets and nobody would say that the conservative manifesto from 2019 is something that you stop to once you made it to number ten, that you stop to once you made it to numberten, but that you stop to once you made it to number ten, but we have done our interview with labour and now we want to talk about your plans. we had the want to talk about your plans. , had the pandemic and a war in ukraine... had the pandemic and a war in ukraine- - -_ had the pandemic and a war in ukraine... ., ., ., ukraine... the ma'or point about labour there. — ukraine... the ma'or point about labour there, but — ukraine... the major point about labour there, but we _ ukraine... the major point about labour there, but we want - ukraine... the major point about labour there, but we want to - ukraine... the major point about| labour there, but we want to talk about your plans. there was a conservative manifesto on tuesday that in another era, announcing billions of pounds in tax cuts could have electrified the campaign, but nothing seems to be shifting. why do you think that is?— you think that is? apart from a small number— you think that is? apart from a small number of— you think that is? apart from a small number of early - you think that is? apart from a small number of early postal l you think that is? apart from a - small number of early postal votes, nobody has actually voted in the selection yet. i know that it has been framed by opinion polls but it is worth not taking voters for granted. we are out campaigning for every vote across the country. that is worth saying. yes, we have set

out a fully costed and fully funded manifesto. we have set out a range of tax cuts for people, national insurance cuts, further national insurance cuts, further national insurance cuts, further national insurance cuts for working people, we will increase the personal allowance for pensioners so that no pensioner pays tax on the basic state pension. under labour, for the first time ever, there will be a retirement tax you have to pay tax on the basic state pension... actually you are suggesting cancelling something that you had brought into government so again i want to focus on what you are saying. want to focus on what you are sa inc. ~ . ~ want to focus on what you are sa in. ~ ., ~ , want to focus on what you are sa in. ~ , ., saying. we will make sure that pensioners _ saying. we will make sure that pensioners don't _ saying. we will make sure that pensioners don't pay _ saying. we will make sure that pensioners don't pay tax - saying. we will make sure that pensioners don't pay tax on . saying. we will make sure that| pensioners don't pay tax on the basic state pension, so that is a very clear choice for people, elections are about choices, tax cuts under the conservatives or tax rises under labour. i think that wes streeting just confirm to you, and he did it on a programme earlier this morning, that is spending he is not talking about, and he is using the manifesto to get them through the manifesto to get them through

the election. you the manifesto to get them through the election-— the election. you are trying to sell to our viewers. — the election. you are trying to sell to our viewers, quite _ the election. you are trying to sell to our viewers, quite legitimately| to our viewers, quite legitimately about their offer but what is interesting about your offer is that when you talk to candidates around the country, or material that people are seeing on their doorsteps and social media, a flavour of what is happening now, your candidate seem to be doing everything they can knock to associate themselves with a national brand. one of them ended up posing with nigel for raj rather than alongside rishi sunak. do you think they are embarrassed by the national tory brand? we think they are embarrassed by the national tory brand?— think they are embarrassed by the national tory brand? we have a very stron: national tory brand? we have a very strong offer — national tory brand? we have a very strong offer to _ national tory brand? we have a very strong offer to set _ national tory brand? we have a very strong offer to set out, _ national tory brand? we have a very strong offer to set out, a _ national tory brand? we have a very strong offer to set out, a strong - strong offer to set out, a strong record, putting a clear choice before people. elections are about choices. if you voted for us in 2019, and you want lower taxes and you want to control migration, if you want to control migration, if you vote for anyone other than the conservatives you will get a labour government with a large majority and a blank cheque to stop it will literally be the opposite of what you want. you raise the question

about taxes, and about, we rule out council tax rises. this is not speculation for us. in wales where there is a labour government and has been one for 25 years, it is currently legislating to revalue council tax and increase council tax bands. ., ., , bands. you have been in charge of 2010 and since _ bands. you have been in charge of 2010 and since then _ bands. you have been in charge of 2010 and since then people - bands. you have been in charge of 2010 and since then people are i 2010 and since then people are paying 51% more in cash terms on council tax. so, to suggest that somehow council tax has not been an issue for our viewers is to tell them something that they wouldn't agree with, and you are forecasts show that council tax is projected to increase in every single one of the next years of government spend that we know about. the forecast is that we know about. the forecast is that it will go up by more than £10 billion in the next five years. conservative councils deliver better services with lower council tax than labour once. the

services with lower council tax than labour once-— labour once. the average band d --roe labour once. the average band d property is— labour once. the average band d property is high _ labour once. the average band d property is high and _ labour once. the average band d property is high and labour- labour once. the average band d i property is high and labour councils but the overall figure is lower in labour councils. louie but the overall figure is lower in labour councils.— but the overall figure is lower in labour councils. we have to always com are labour councils. we have to always compare the _ labour councils. we have to always compare the band _ labour councils. we have to always compare the band d _ labour councils. we have to always compare the band d property i labour councils. we have to always compare the band d property is i labour councils. we have to always i compare the band d property is more consistency. so that you are comparing like with like, apples with apples. i comparing like with like, apples with apples-— comparing like with like, apples with a- les. ., , ., with apples. i want the viewers to understand _ with apples. i want the viewers to understand that _ with apples. i want the viewers to understand that it _ with apples. i want the viewers to understand that it is _ with apples. i want the viewers to understand that it is a _ with apples. i want the viewers to | understand that it is a complicated picture with council tax so that when you make one bold claim on it. i want to come back to this fact about your message to the country. you raised it there. about the message shifting somewhat in the last few days. not necessarily so much to say let's win this, but to say that you should worry about the big labour majority, to stop the other side romping home. big labour majority, to stop the otherside romping home. i big labour majority, to stop the other side romping home. i want to show people one of the adversary have put out social media which actually suggests a massive labour victory. this is conservative party material. and you seem now to be

resorting to just trying to spook people into some kind of massive majority. isn't that an admission of defeat when as you said not a single vote has been cast apart from some go vote has been cast apart from some 9° " vote has been cast apart from some go —— postal votes? it is vote has been cast apart from some go -- postalvotes?_ go -- postal votes? it is to do what ou lead go -- postal votes? it is to do what you lead with _ go -- postal votes? it is to do what you lead with before _ go -- postal votes? it is to do what you lead with before with me i go -- postal votes? it is to do what you lead with before with me just i go -- postal votes? it is to do what you lead with before with me just a | you lead with before with me just a point to the opinion polls. we are saying that if you look at the polls and the people voted the way the polls are suggesting that is what you would get out we are saying to people, is that what you want? i don't think it is what people want. it is about saying to people, if you don't want a labour government with a large majority and you have voted conservative in the past, you need to vote conservative and if you vote for anyone other than a conservative candidate you will get a labour government with a large majority. we are still fighting for every vote. we are saying to people that if the polls were true, and that is what people do come to polling day, that is what you're going to get. that is what you pitch to me at the beginning and the point of me being here making this argument you is

that we are trying to change minds, and i thinkjohn curtice has said before, there are a record number of people at this stage of the election campaign you have not made up their mind, something like 44% of voters are still to finally decide who they are still to finally decide who they are going to vote for. deciding what they will do about the outcome. there are still millions of people, probably many watching this morning, who haven't decided what to do yet. and what they are hearing from you is not here is our positive vision, they are hearing you cannot give the other side everything they want so stick with us, and you are an experienced politician, who like to see themselves as someone who is honest and candid, isn't that something that sounds a bit desperate?— something that sounds a bit desperate? look, the whole conversation _ desperate? look, the whole conversation with _ desperate? look, the whole i conversation with broadcasters is framed around the polls. i agree with what you said there latterly. people have not made their minds up. they are still thinking about what they want to do. we have set out a

clear manifesto, a programme for government properly costed, lots of detail about what we want to do across a range of policies. and this morning wes streeting on your programme and on others has confirmed that their manifesto is actually a document to get them through the election campaign, which is what we have been saying to people. there are a lot of spending commitments they are not being straightforward about, they are not clear about how they are going to pay for it. they are desperate to spend... pay for it. they are desperate to send... ., ., ., ., ., ., spend... you have made a lot of sendin: spend... you have made a lot of spending commitments, - spend... you have made a lot of spending commitments, to i spend... you have made a lot of spending commitments, to be i spend... you have made a lot of i spending commitments, to be funded by tax avoidance. find spending commitments, to be funded by tax avoidance.— by tax avoidance. and welfare reform, by tax avoidance. and welfare reform. mel _ by tax avoidance. and welfare reform, mel stride _ by tax avoidance. and welfare reform, mel stride has- by tax avoidance. and welfare reform, mel stride has set i by tax avoidance. and welfare | reform, mel stride has set out very specific plans about how we're going to do that. find specific plans about how we're going to do that. �* , ., ., to do that. and we spoke to him a lot about that _ to do that. and we spoke to him a lot about that last _ to do that. and we spoke to him a lot about that last week, - to do that. and we spoke to him a| lot about that last week, including also many independent experts pointing out that those kind of savings are often very hard to achieve. i want to ask you about the party to the right of you, nigel farage's reform. in only one poll,

they surpassed you, and others they have been shown to be closing the 93p- have been shown to be closing the gap. but, you started this campaign trying to please some of the voters who might be attracted to reform, with plans for national service, to protect pensions, but they are beating you at your own game. it comes down to what people do in the end. people that are attracted to reform, looking at what they say they are interested in, they want lower taxes and they want to deal with migration. but only two people are going to be prime minister, rishi sunak or keir starmer, keir starmer is not going to cut taxes and he's not going to cut migration, is going to put it up. he has opposed every single measure we are put forward to deal with illegal migration. pare put forward to deal with illegal miaration. . , put forward to deal with illegal miaration. ., , ., migration. are actually some of those voters — migration. are actually some of those voters think _ migration. are actually some of those voters think that - migration. are actually some of those voters think that you i migration. are actually some of| those voters think that you have failed on those areas, and some of your colleagues also point to frustration. robertjenrick, former immigration minister, friend of the

—— rishi sunak, has written in the sunday telegraph, people are going to reform because the tax burden is too high, the criminaljustice system is too soft, and public services are too inefficient. and you have been in charge for 1h years. you have been in charge for 14 ears. , , ., years. let me picked up on the illeual years. let me picked up on the illegal migration _ years. let me picked up on the illegal migration point. - years. let me picked up on the illegal migration point. on i years. let me picked up on the i illegal migration point. on illegal migration, we have reduced the number of people coming here illegally by one third over the last year at a time when it was rising in europe. there is more to do on that. we have got a plan, the rwanda plan is ready to go straight after the election. laboursaid is ready to go straight after the election. labour said they wouldn't even do it if it was working, it has taken time to get it through parliament, it is a clear deterrent to stop the organise trafficking gangs taking people across the channel. legal migration we have said is too high. the prime minister is already taking decisions to reduce it by half, this coming year. we have already seen it reducing by a quarter...

we have already seen it reducing by a quarter- - -— we have already seen it reducing by a auarter... ., ., , a quarter... you have somebody here who was in — a quarter... you have somebody here who was in the _ a quarter... you have somebody here who was in the cabinet _ a quarter... you have somebody here who was in the cabinet recently, i a quarter... you have somebody here who was in the cabinet recently, a i who was in the cabinet recently, a friend of rishi sunak, robert jenrick, writing in a newspaper during an election campaign, that your party's record on things that are important to voters, on crime, public services, immigration, he is writing that that record is not good enough, and he shares the frustration of your natural voters. it is too late, isn't it?— it is too late, isn't it? elections are about _ it is too late, isn't it? elections are about choices _ it is too late, isn't it? elections are about choices and - it is too late, isn't it? elections are about choices and about i it is too late, isn't it? elections| are about choices and about the future. yes, our record is important, i think in many areas the record is very impressive, like on schools, for example, 90% of schools, for example, 90% of schools, good or outstanding, primary school children, the best readers in the world, that is enormously important for their future, but elections are about the future, but elections are about the future and about choices and they are about whether you want to cut taxes, our manifesto has a clear costed plan to do that, labour's is about raising taxes, ours is about cutting migration, legal and

illegal, labour's is not. that is a clear choice for people. and reform voters who want lower taxes and lower migration have to think, is that more likely to happen under the conservatives, or under the labour party? there is a very clear answer. we are the only party likely to deliver that, with a clear plan to do so. ., , ., , , deliver that, with a clear plan to doso. .,, ., , , do so. conservative ministers keep boastin: do so. conservative ministers keep boasting about _ do so. conservative ministers keep boasting about helping _ do so. conservative ministers keep boasting about helping about i do so. conservative ministers keep i boasting about helping about primary school children in england, i hope they're not feeling pressure because they're not feeling pressure because they keep mentioned. talking about your currentjob as transport secretary, high speed rail was designated for england and wales, it was calculated that the bill's population would get some benefit from it. the plaid cymru leader, rhun ap iorwerth, isjoining as later says that even though the project has been cancelled, it is not fair that the money from the cancellation is all being spent in england and he says that wales is owed £4 billion. will they get it?

it was in england and wales project but i don't agree with his characterisation because actually wales is getting it. in our plan that we set out, we have made a clear commitment to spend about £36 billion all being reinvested in transport, some of it is being spent, as andy will no northern powerhouse rail, we may commitments about that but £1 billion will be spent in north wales on electrifying the north wales mainline, something we have committed to, which labour has not. that is going to be a huge game changers for the economy in north wales. but game changers for the economy in north wales-— north wales. but 4 billion is what they believe _ north wales. but 4 billion is what they believe is _ north wales. but 4 billion is what they believe is due. _ north wales. but 4 billion is what they believe is due. it _ north wales. but 4 billion is what they believe is due. it was - north wales. but 4 billion is what they believe is due. it was in i they believe is due. it was in encland they believe is due. it was in england and _ they believe is due. it was in england and wales - they believe is due. it was in england and wales put i they believe is due. it was in england and wales put it, i they believe is due. it was in | england and wales put it, but they believe is due. it was in i england and wales put it, but a big chunk of those savings from the second phase cancellation of hs2 is absolutely being spent in wales and the bass population will get the benefit of it, a clear commitment, only from the conservatives. good to have ou only from the conservatives. good to have you with — only from the conservatives. good to have you with us _ only from the conservatives. good to have you with us in _ only from the conservatives. good to have you with us in the _ only from the conservatives. good to have you with us in the studio. i

only from the conservatives. good to have you with us in the studio. some i have you with us in the studio. some of your colleagues have been wondering during the campaign if people will see more of some of the other very well known cabinet ministers on the campaign trail, or doing interviews, you have done ten what we call media rows during the campaign, we have seen a lot of your colleague mel stride. do you like doing interviews or would you like your colleagues to give your hand? i am to do what i am asked to do. i enjoy the opportunity to go out and explain to people what we are offering the country. why they should vote conservative, the choice to get lower taxes, deal with migration and have a more optimistic and positive future, and i think thatis and positive future, and i think that is a very clear offer and i hope people take that choice on the 4th ofjuly. hope people take that choice on the 4th ofjul . a ~ hope people take that choice on the 4th ofjul . ~ ., , ., ~ i. 4th ofjuly. mark harper, thank you ve much 4th ofjuly. mark harper, thank you very much for— 4th ofjuly. mark harper, thank you very much for coming _ 4th ofjuly. mark harper, thank you very much for coming in _ 4th ofjuly. mark harper, thank you very much for coming in today i 4th ofjuly. mark harper, thank you | very much for coming in today during this very busy time. anyone would think there was an election on! let's see what the panel have to say about that, we spoke about social care, nigel farage, all sorts of

things. andy, what did you think of what wes streeting has to say about social care? it is a long—term promise, if we win we will do something in ten years' time. i was encouraged- _ something in ten years' time. i was encouraged- l— something in ten years' time. i was encouraged. i heard _ something in ten years' time. i —" encouraged. i heard positivity from wes and a lot of scaremongering in the last interview. your interview brought out the character of this election, i heard from wes a national care service within a ten year period which sounds pretty encouraging to me. an immediate pay rise for carers. the situation we are going into is really challenging. i respect mark, and he's a good communicator but this is the flaw in what he was saying, if you want lower taxes and lower migration, the obvious choices conservatives. we have the highest tax burden in living memory and the highest net migration under them so he is argument completely falls apart because of that it is a difficult inheritance for the labour party. the thing that resonates is what ian said. personally i believe

that in the end the only answer is to provide social care on nhs terms, and ask for a contribution from people that is proportionate to their assets stop— people that is proportionate to their assets stop your personal experience _ their assets stop your personal experience that _ their assets stop your personal experience that you _ their assets stop your personal experience that you have i their assets stop your personal i experience that you have referenced a couple of times? my experience that you have referenced a couple of times?— a couple of times? my dad has been auoin a couple of times? my dad has been going through _ a couple of times? my dad has been going through a _ a couple of times? my dad has been going through a situation _ a couple of times? my dad has been going through a situation where - a couple of times? my dad has been going through a situation where we | going through a situation where we have seen the system at close hand and he is in a situation now which is wonderful actually but we have seen the other side of things as well. not the people, the people are brilliant. and wes said this, if anyone says that social care is on skilled i'm going to challenge that. the people who do come in to support in the home are fantastic. it is the system that if anything is slightly wrong, you have to ring 999, or the idea that 15 minute visit get somebody from their pet to an armchair, i'm sorry, that will not work as easily as people say. —— from their bed. this has to change.

but i have to put forward a bigger plan. in the end you have got to see this as one system where people are supported from home to hospital and back again as quickly as possible. 19, do you think that the parties are ducking social care? you are a health minister previously. —— nadim. health minister previously. -- nadim. ~ . , ~ , health minister previously. -- nadim. ., . , nadim. wears -- wes spoke about wantin: nadim. wears -- wes spoke about wanting to — nadim. wears -- wes spoke about wanting to sit _ nadim. wears -- wes spoke about wanting to sit down _ nadim. wears -- wes spoke about wanting to sit down again, - nadim. wears -- wes spoke about wanting to sit down again, and - nadim. wears -- wes spoke about wanting to sit down again, and we| wanting to sit down again, and we had the _ wanting to sit down again, and we had the dilnot review, a huge body of work. _ had the dilnot review, a huge body of work, that was ready to launch any september after boris johnson was removed. it was ready to go. it would _ was removed. it was ready to go. it would have — was removed. it was ready to go. it would have cost {1.1 billion, and then_ would have cost {1.1 billion, and then to — would have cost {1.1 billion, and then to put _ would have cost {1.1 billion, and then to put in pounds and 23—24. it was the _ then to put in pounds and 23—24. it was the first — then to put in pounds and 23—24. it was the first thing rishi sunak cancelled when he became prime minister— cancelled when he became prime minister which was desperately frustrating. i have an 80—year—old mother— frustrating. i have an 80—year—old mother was— frustrating. i have an 80—year—old mother was ill, frustrating. i have an 80—year—old motherwas ill, i frustrating. i have an 80—year—old mother was ill, i have experienced it myself — mother was ill, i have experienced it myself it — mother was ill, i have experienced it myself. it is one of the most important _ it myself. it is one of the most important services, at one of the most _ important services, at one of the most neglected within the whole heatth— most neglected within the whole health sphere of delivery. he took

on the _ health sphere of delivery. he took on the dilnot review and said it was ready— on the dilnot review and said it was ready to _ on the dilnot review and said it was ready to go. — on the dilnot review and said it was ready to go, ready to launch. and david cameron _ ready to go, ready to launch. jifuc david cameron also nearly ready to go, ready to launch. 2:1c david cameron also nearly did ready to go, ready to launch. 2.1c david cameron also nearly did it. ready to go, ready to launch. and| david cameron also nearly did it. i should be no point scoring on this, both sides have failed. but should be no point scoring on this, both sides have failed.— both sides have failed. but this is not 'ust both sides have failed. but this is not just labour _ both sides have failed. but this is notjust labour party _ both sides have failed. but this is notjust labour party voters - both sides have failed. but this is notjust labour party voters can l not just labour party voters can serve _ not just labour party voters can serve the — not just labour party voters can serve the party voters that need social— serve the party voters that need social care. serve the party voters that need social care-— social care. people are getting older, social care. people are getting older. are _ social care. people are getting older, are living _ social care. people are getting older, are living longer, - social care. people are getting older, are living longer, and l social care. people are getting i older, are living longer, and that is not _ older, are living longer, and that is not being _ older, are living longer, and that is not being taken— older, are living longer, and that is not being taken care _ older, are living longer, and that is not being taken care of. - older, are living longer, and that is not being taken care of. my. older, are living longer, and that. is not being taken care of. my main problem. _ is not being taken care of. my main problem. my— is not being taken care of. my main problem. my main— is not being taken care of. my main problem, my main thing is- is not being taken care of. my main problem, my main thing is still- is not being taken care of. my main problem, my main thing is still the| problem, my main thing is still the team _ problem, my main thing is still the team and _ problem, my main thing is still the team and we — problem, my main thing is still the team and we don't— problem, my main thing is still the team and we don't talk— problem, my main thing is still the team and we don't talk about - problem, my main thing is still the| team and we don't talk about which is brexit. _ team and we don't talk about which is brexit. and — team and we don't talk about which is brexit, and why— team and we don't talk about which is brexit, and why we _ team and we don't talk about which is brexit, and why we are _ team and we don't talk about which is brexit, and why we are so- team and we don't talk about whichi is brexit, and why we are so brutal, and i_ is brexit, and why we are so brutal, and i got _ is brexit, and why we are so brutal, and i got some _ is brexit, and why we are so brutal, and i got some figures— is brexit, and why we are so brutal, and i got some figures here - is brexit, and why we are so brutal, and i got some figures here would i and i got some figures here would somebody— and i got some figures here would somebody set _ and i got some figures here would somebody set me _ and i got some figures here would somebody set me which _ and i got some figures here would somebody set me which i'm - and i got some figures here would somebody set me which i'm very. somebody set me which i'm very grateful— somebody set me which i'm very grateful for~ _ somebody set me which i'm very grateful for. brexit _ somebody set me which i'm very grateful for. brexit is _ somebody set me which i'm very grateful for. brexit is costing - somebody set me which i'm very grateful for. brexit is costing the uk economy— grateful for. brexit is costing the uk economy £1_ grateful for. brexit is costing the uk economy £1 billion _ grateful for. brexit is costing the uk economy £1 billion a - grateful for. brexit is costing the uk economy £1 billion a —— - uk economy £1 billion a —— 100 billion— uk economy £1 billion a —— 100 billion a — uk economy £1 billion a —— 100 billion a year~ _ uk economy £1 billion a —— 100 billion a year. and _ uk economy £1 billion a —— 100 billion a year. and we - uk economy £1 billion a —— 100 billion a year. and we are - uk economy £1 billion a —— 100 i billion a year. and we are focusing that reduction— billion a year. and we are focusing that reduction and _ billion a year. and we are focusing that reduction and economic - that reduction and economic productivity _ that reduction and economic productivity because - that reduction and economic productivity because of- that reduction and economic .

productivity because of leaving that reduction and economic - productivity because of leaving the eu, an _ productivity because of leaving the eu, an analysis— productivity because of leaving the eu, an analysis by— productivity because of leaving the eu, an analysis by goldman - productivity because of leaving the eu, an analysis by goldman sachs| eu, an analysis by goldman sachs found _ eu, an analysis by goldman sachs found brexit — eu, an analysis by goldman sachs found brexit is _ eu, an analysis by goldman sachs found brexit is directly— eu, an analysis by goldman sachs| found brexit is directly responsible for the _ found brexit is directly responsible for the uk — found brexit is directly responsible for the uk economy— found brexit is directly responsible for the uk economy growing - found brexit is directly responsible for the uk economy growing 5% i found brexit is directly responsible i for the uk economy growing 5% less since _ for the uk economy growing 5% less since the _ for the uk economy growing 5% less since the vote — for the uk economy growing 5% less since the vote in— for the uk economy growing 5% less since the vote in 2016. _ for the uk economy growing 5% less since the vote in 2016. find - for the uk economy growing 5% less since the vote in 2016.— since the vote in 2016. and what ha--ened since the vote in 2016. and what happened with — happened with the pandemic and the war in ukraine makes it difficult to pull out _ war in ukraine makes it difficult to pull out strong conclusions and economists argue about the effect. but they— economists argue about the effect. but they are located that it is not being mentioned, what would you like to hear a saying, brian? being mentioned, what would you like to heara saying, brian? or being mentioned, what would you like to hear a saying, brian? or in brexit. we talk about lack of cash and money, — we talk about lack of cash and money, i_ we talk about lack of cash and money, i didn't— we talk about lack of cash and money, i didn't realise - we talk about lack of cash and money, i didn't realise that i we talk about lack of cash and i money, i didn't realise that real wages _ money, i didn't realise that real wages are — money, i didn't realise that real wages are expected _ money, i didn't realise that real wages are expected to - money, i didn't realise that real wages are expected to fall - money, i didn't realise that real wages are expected to fall by l money, i didn't realise that real- wages are expected to fall by 1.4%, and its— wages are expected to fall by 1.4%, and it'siust, — wages are expected to fall by 1.4%, and it'siust, it— wages are expected to fall by 1.4%, and it'sjust, it seems— wages are expected to fall by 1.4%, and it'sjust, it seems to _ wages are expected to fall by 1.4%, and it'sjust, it seems to me - wages are expected to fall by 1.4%, and it'sjust, it seems to me that. and it'sjust, it seems to me that we are _ and it'sjust, it seems to me that we are still— and it'sjust, it seems to me that we are still suffering _ and it'sjust, it seems to me that we are still suffering from - and it'sjust, it seems to me that we are still suffering from that. i we are still suffering from that. and we — we are still suffering from that. and we haven't _ we are still suffering from that. and we haven't done _ we are still suffering from that. and we haven't done anything i we are still suffering from that. - and we haven't done anything about it. and we haven't done anything about it so _ and we haven't done anything about it so when — and we haven't done anything about it so when we — and we haven't done anything about it. so when we talk _ and we haven't done anything about it. so when we talk about _ and we haven't done anything about it. so when we talk about other - it. so when we talk about other things. — it. so when we talk about other things. we _ it. so when we talk about other things, we cannot _ it. so when we talk about other things, we cannot really- it. so when we talk about other things, we cannot really talk. it. so when we talk about other things, we cannot really talk in| things, we cannot really talk in terms — things, we cannot really talk in terms of— things, we cannot really talk in terms of where _ things, we cannot really talk in terms of where we _ things, we cannot really talk in terms of where we are - things, we cannot really talk in| terms of where we are because things, we cannot really talk in - terms of where we are because we are suffering _ terms of where we are because we are suffering from — terms of where we are because we are suffering from brexit. _ terms of where we are because we are suffering from brexit. we _ terms of where we are because we are suffering from brexit.—

suffering from brexit. we will talk a bit later about _ suffering from brexit. we will talk a bit later about the _ suffering from brexit. we will talk a bit later about the snp, - suffering from brexit. we will talk a bit later about the snp, you - suffering from brexit. we will talkl a bit later about the snp, you have backed every time, they have not launched their manifesto yet and some of the smaller parties do want to get back into the single market. that has been a feature of some manifesto launches this week. we have been watching all of the events so you don't have to. time to ask, who won the week. rishi sunak was back in the crowds at trooping the colour yesterday. the tories' firm target whenever they're near a microphone is labour and tax. the tories are going harder in that direction trying to forced labour onto that territory under rule out more and more tax rises, but this is what keir starmer always says. across the board for income tax, for national insurance and for vat, there will be no increases. but the green, lib dems and the snp all say the wealthiest should cough up more. john swinney, the first minister proudly in his kilt at the football yesterday, probably the less we mention that the better.

and the moment of the week perhaps, nigel farage revelling as one poll suggested his outfit, reform, was ahead of the conservatives. other polls didn't show this but did show the gap narrowing. nadine, how do you think your conservative colleagues should handle nigel farage?_ conservative colleagues should handle nigel farage? gosh, how could an bod handle nigel farage? gosh, how could anybody handle _ handle nigel farage? gosh, how could anybody handle nigel _ handle nigel farage? gosh, how could anybody handle nigel farage? - handle nigel farage? gosh, how could anybody handle nigel farage? what i anybody handle nigel farage? what really interests me, to be frank, is the differences between what nigel claridge is asking for and saying he wants to do, and the differences between what is in the conservative party principles. you could not put a credit card between them. the only difference i think is that nigel farage is openly campaigning to leave the echr which we are not. what happened, laura, i think it is a fascinating study of what happens in politics. there became a vacuum, and david cameron and borisjohnson

always had in their eye to the right, they were always aware that this day could arrive. and they always kept an eye to the right and embraced policies on both sides of the medical spectrum, in order to keep the right at bay. the minute boris went, a vacuum is created and nigel farage has stepped in and filled it. , ,, .,~ , ., . filled it. rishi sunak is a cupboard -- carried — filled it. rishi sunak is a cupboard -- carried on _ filled it. rishi sunak is a cupboard -- carried on with _ filled it. rishi sunak is a cupboard -- carried on with the _ filled it. rishi sunak is a cupboard -- carried on with the rwanda - filled it. rishi sunak is a cupboard| -- carried on with the rwanda plan —— carried on with the rwanda plan and some of the changes on immigration have been significant. everything else that was going on in the conservative party, infighting, brexit, since 2016 and the eu referendum, the conservative party has been beset by turmoil and problems. and removing two sitting prime ministers really didn't help with any of that. the prime ministers really didn't help with any of that.— prime ministers really didn't help with any of that. the snp manifesto launches next _ with any of that. the snp manifesto launches next week, _ with any of that. the snp manifesto launches next week, you _ with any of that. the snp manifesto launches next week, you are - with any of that. the snp manifesto launches next week, you are a - with any of that. the snp manifesto i launches next week, you are a backer of independence, do you look forward to their manifesto or are you excited about it? i’m to their manifesto or are you excited about it?— to their manifesto or are you excited about it? �* ., , excited about it? i'm not quite sure what is going _ excited about it? i'm not quite sure what is going to _ excited about it? i'm not quite sure what is going to happen. _ excited about it? i'm not quite sure what is going to happen. there - excited about it? i'm not quite sure | what is going to happen. there could be, what is going to happen. there could he, as— what is going to happen. there could he, as plaid — what is going to happen. there could be, as plaid cymru have gone, they

could _ be, as plaid cymru have gone, they could back— be, as plaid cymru have gone, they could back away from the notion of independence. do could back away from the notion of independence-— independence. do you think they have? they _ independence. do you think they have? they have, _ independence. do you think they have? they have, i— independence. do you think they have? they have, i don't - independence. do you think they have? they have, i don't know i independence. do you think they have? they have, i don't know ifi have? they have, i don't know if scotland has _ have? they have, i don't know if scotland has backed _ have? they have, i don't know if scotland has backed off, - have? they have, i don't know if scotland has backed off, but - have? they have, i don't know if scotland has backed off, but it i have? they have, i don't know ifi scotland has backed off, but it is something that worries me. because i still believe _ something that worries me. because i still believe in independence. it's very difficult, because i do believe in independence but i don't believe that we _ in independence but i don't believe that we should not be part of these islands _ that we should not be part of these islands i_ that we should not be part of these islands. i do believe we need a new system _ islands. i do believe we need a new system i_ islands. i do believe we need a new system. i don't believe in the united — system. i don't believe in the united kingdom, i believe that we should _ united kingdom, i believe that we should have a sort of united federation of these islands. each country— federation of these islands. each country should be independent, but come _ country should be independent, but come together, to support the whole, instead _ come together, to support the whole, instead of— come together, to support the whole, instead of things being dictated as we find _ instead of things being dictated as we find in — instead of things being dictated as we find in scotland on our behalf, that we _ we find in scotland on our behalf, that we have a very little say in. the fact — that we have a very little say in. the fact is, _ that we have a very little say in. the fact is, we voted 62% to stay in europe, _ the fact is, we voted 62% to stay in europe, and — the fact is, we voted 62% to stay in europe, and lost out completely. so we had _ europe, and lost out completely. so we had no _ europe, and lost out completely. so we had no voice there.— we had no voice there. talking of that, briefly. _ we had no voice there. talking of that, briefly, and _ we had no voice there. talking of that, briefly, and d, _ we had no voice there. talking of that, briefly, and d, which - we had no voice there. talking of that, briefly, and d, which is- we had no voice there. talking of that, briefly, and d, which is a i that, briefly, and d, which is a silly thing to say to a politician, what you as one of the very powerfully elected mayors in this

country, you said snp wants more of a voice according to them, the snp, what would you hope for from the next committee whether it is, in terms of the mayors? do next committee whether it is, in terms of the mayors?— next committee whether it is, in terms of the mayors? do you want more powers? _ terms of the mayors? do you want more powers? money, _ terms of the mayors? do you want more powers? money, money! - terms of the mayors? do you want more powers? money, money! he| terms of the mayors? do you want - more powers? money, money! he always wants more money! thea;r more powers? money, money! he always wants more money!— wants more money! they have promised a council of the — wants more money! they have promised a council of the nations _ wants more money! they have promised a council of the nations and _ wants more money! they have promised a council of the nations and regions - a council of the nations and regions so straightaway _ a council of the nations and regions so straightaway there _ a council of the nations and regions so straightaway there is _ a council of the nations and regions so straightaway there is a - a council of the nations and regions so straightaway there is a role - a council of the nations and regions so straightaway there is a role for. so straightaway there is a role for elected _ so straightaway there is a role for elected mayors— so straightaway there is a role for elected mayors in— so straightaway there is a role for elected mayors in the _ so straightaway there is a role for elected mayors in the running - so straightaway there is a role for elected mayors in the running of| so straightaway there is a role for. elected mayors in the running of the country _ elected mayors in the running of the country i_ elected mayors in the running of the country i tend — elected mayors in the running of the country. i tend to _ elected mayors in the running of the country. i tend to agree _ elected mayors in the running of the country. i tend to agree not - country. i tend to agree not completely— country. i tend to agree not completely with _ country. i tend to agree not completely with brian - country. i tend to agree not i completely with brian because country. i tend to agree not - completely with brian because i believe — completely with brian because i believe in — completely with brian because i believe in the _ completely with brian because i believe in the uk _ completely with brian because i believe in the uk but _ completely with brian because i believe in the uk but i - completely with brian because i believe in the uk but i think- completely with brian because i believe in the uk but i think we| believe in the uk but i think we need _ believe in the uk but i think we need to— believe in the uk but i think we need to rewire _ believe in the uk but i think we need to rewire the _ believe in the uk but i think we need to rewire the political- believe in the uk but i think we . need to rewire the political system completely — need to rewire the political system completely i— need to rewire the political system completely. i think— need to rewire the political system completely. i think this _ need to rewire the political system completely. i think this election i completely. i think this election could _ completely. i think this election could make _ completely. i think this election could make the _ completely. i think this election could make the case _ completely. i think this election could make the case for- completely. i think this election could make the case for pr. - completely. i think this election could make the case for pr. ii completely. i think this election . could make the case for pr. i don't believe _ could make the case for pr. i don't believe with — could make the case for pr. i don't believe with nigel— could make the case for pr. i don't believe with nigel farage _ could make the case for pr. i don't believe with nigel farage on- believe with nigel farage on anything. _ believe with nigel farage on anything. he _ believe with nigel farage on anything, he wants- believe with nigel farage on anything, he wants to - believe with nigel farage on anything, he wants to get i believe with nigel farage onl anything, he wants to get rid believe with nigel farage on. anything, he wants to get rid of believe with nigel farage on- anything, he wants to get rid of the nhs. _ anything, he wants to get rid of the nhs. one _ anything, he wants to get rid of the nhs. one of— anything, he wants to get rid of the nhs. one of his— anything, he wants to get rid of the nhs, one of his candidacy- anything, he wants to get rid of the nhs, one of his candidacy said - anything, he wants to get rid of the nhs, one of his candidacy said we i nhs, one of his candidacy said we should _ nhs, one of his candidacy said we should have — nhs, one of his candidacy said we should have been _ nhs, one of his candidacy said we should have been neutral- nhs, one of his candidacy said we should have been neutral about i nhs, one of his candidacy said we i should have been neutral about nazi germany. _ should have been neutral about nazi germany. that— should have been neutral about nazi germany. that is— should have been neutral about nazi germany, that is not— should have been neutral about nazi germany, that is not endued - should have been neutral about nazi germany, that is not endued with i should have been neutral about nazil germany, that is not endued with the british— germany, that is not endued with the british people — germany, that is not endued with the british people. however— germany, that is not endued with the british people. however we _ germany, that is not endued with the british people. however we could - germany, that is not endued with thei british people. however we could see something _ british people. however we could see something like — british people. however we could see something like 2015— british people. however we could see something like 2015 here _ british people. however we could see something like 2015 here which - british people. however we could see something like 2015 here which is - something like 2015 here which is lots votes — something like 2015 here which is lots votes for _ something like 2015 here which is lots votes for a _ something like 2015 here which is lots votes for a party, _ something like 2015 here which is lots votes for a party, but - something like 2015 here which is lots votes for a party, but not - something like 2015 here which is i lots votes for a party, but not many seats~ _ lots votes for a party, but not many seats~ you — lots votes for a party, but not many seats~ you have _ lots votes for a party, but not many seats. you have got— lots votes for a party, but not many

seats. you have got to _ lots votes for a party, but not many seats. you have got to put - lots votes for a party, but not many seats. you have got to put party- seats. you have got to put party advantage — seats. you have got to put party advantage aside, _ seats. you have got to put party advantage aside, that _ seats. you have got to put party advantage aside, that is - seats. you have got to put party advantage aside, that is not - seats. you have got to put party- advantage aside, that is not healthy in a democracy _ advantage aside, that is not healthy in a democracy i_ advantage aside, that is not healthy in a democracy. i do— advantage aside, that is not healthy in a democracy. i do agree, - advantage aside, that is not healthy in a democracy. i do agree, we - advantage aside, that is not healthy| in a democracy. i do agree, we need more _ in a democracy. i do agree, we need more devolution _ in a democracy. i do agree, we need more devolution right— in a democracy. i do agree, we need more devolution right across - more devolution right across england _ more devolution right across england. labour— more devolution right across england. labour is _ more devolution right across| england. labour is promising more devolution right across - england. labour is promising that. we need _ england. labour is promising that. we need a — england. labour is promising that. we need a bigger— england. labour is promising that. we need a bigger role. _ england. labour is promising that. we need a bigger role. greater- we need a bigger role. greater manchester— we need a bigger role. greater manchester is _ we need a bigger role. greater manchester is growing - we need a bigger role. greater manchester is growing faster. we need a bigger role. greater. manchester is growing faster than the uk _ manchester is growing faster than the uk economy— manchester is growing faster than the uk economy and _ manchester is growing faster than the uk economy and we _ manchester is growing faster than the uk economy and we have - manchester is growing faster thanl the uk economy and we have been manchester is growing faster than - the uk economy and we have been for a number— the uk economy and we have been for a number of— the uk economy and we have been for a number of years _ the uk economy and we have been for a number of years. find _ the uk economy and we have been for a number of years.— a number of years. and a lot of that, a number of years. and a lot of that. andy. _ a number of years. and a lot of that. andy. is— a number of years. and a lot of that. andy. is it _ a number of years. and a lot of that, andy, is it due _ a number of years. and a lot of that, andy, is it due to - a number of years. and a lot of that, andy, is it due to the - that, andy, is it due to the investment that you have been given by the conservative government. they have invested in levelling up in your region. i did it when i was secretary of state i gave you money. i know that you lot aren't such shrinking violets, i am going to call a halt to this bit of the conversation. brian, you are putting your hand up, i have to give you a shot as you politely put your hand up. i shot as you politely put your hand u . _ ., , shot as you politely put your hand up. i worry about the conservatives. that they are _ up. i worry about the conservatives. that they are not _ up. i worry about the conservatives. that they are not going _ up. i worry about the conservatives. that they are not going to _ up. i worry about the conservatives. that they are not going to be - up. i worry about the conservatives. that they are not going to be a - that they are not going to be a strong enough in position? exactly, but i also think— strong enough in position? exactly, but i also think that _ strong enough in position? exactly, but i also think that nigel _ strong enough in position? exactly, but i also think that nigel farage i but i also think that nigel farage is not _ but i also think that nigel farage is not doing any good at all. he is ruining _ is not doing any good at all. he is ruining that — is not doing any good at all. he is ruining that party. if i was a conservative voter, i would be

worried — conservative voter, i would be worried about what is happening to my party. — worried about what is happening to my party. i— worried about what is happening to my party, i will never be a conservative voter and i would like to state _ conservative voter and i would like to state that first and foremost but i worry— to state that first and foremost but i worry about his influence and i find him — i worry about his influence and i find him slightly fascist, quite friendly — find him slightly fascist, quite friendly. i find him slightly fascist, quite friendl . ., �* ., , find him slightly fascist, quite friendl. ., �* ., , ., friendly. i don't worry about the conservative _ friendly. i don't worry about the conservative party! _ friendly. i don't worry about the conservative party! nigel- friendly. i don't worry about the | conservative party! nigel farage friendly. i don't worry about the i conservative party! nigel farage is not to defend _ conservative party! nigel farage is not to defend himself _ conservative party! nigel farage is not to defend himself from - conservative party! nigel farage is. not to defend himself from anything this week, but we did speak to him last week. my shrinking violets! now, you know that this election is about much more than the big red and blue teams. the yellows are gaining some ground hoping to grab tory seats, the lib dems, promising free personal care for the elderly, more gps, and joining the eu single market. but it's the leader ed davey�*s splashy — sorry — photo—ops that have really been getting attention. oh, here we go. cheering oop!

camera shutter clicks welcome, sir ed, always good to have you with us on the programme. you certainly look like you have been having a great time. without being teahupo face, some of our viewers have got in touch to say they think it looks daft. —— without being too po—faced. one of those is lee castle castleton, who lost his livelihood in the post office horizon scandal. he thinks that your stunts are not the kind of thing that you should be doing. i think, i don't particularly like the buffoonery, i find it very boris—esque, and i don't think there's any need for it. it's really, really, really important that we trust him, and trust is never going to be built by swinging around on groups or paddle boarding in cumbria.

trust is about engaging with the people that need that engagement. do you think you are taking it seriously? mr; do you think you are taking it seriously?— do you think you are taking it seriousl ? g ., ., , ., ., seriously? my heart goes out to lee and all the others _ seriously? my heart goes out to lee and all the others who _ seriously? my heart goes out to lee and all the others who were - seriously? my heart goes out to lee and all the others who were so - seriously? my heart goes out to lee| and all the others who were so badly affected and i am looking forward to giving evidence to the inquiry which i campaigned for to hold people to account. in terms of the things we have been doing, the stunts, the real issue is engaging people and they have done. one of the reasons i am so pleased to be on your programme is to talk about what the liberal democrats are standing for, health and care, that is at the centre of our manifesto, talking about the cost of living, and that is not coming up enough, people are really struggling out there. and we are talking about the environment, we are the ones campaigning about the sewage scandal, against that. i am determined in all the seats we can win across the blue wall against conservatives in the west country and other places, people hear about what the liberal democrats stand for from our local champions because we can make real gains at this

election. can make real gains at this election-— can make real gains at this election. ~ , , ., ~ ., , election. we will speak about this and wes streeting _ election. we will speak about this and wes streeting said _ election. we will speak about this and wes streeting said your- election. we will speak about this and wes streeting said your ideas election. we will speak about this i and wes streeting said your ideas on social care is our good ones. there is a risk, we have heard from lee castleton and we have heard it from other viewers, castleton and we have heard it from otherviewers, people castleton and we have heard it from other viewers, people watch this and they think that they are not taking it seriously and not taking their vote are seriously. we it seriously and not taking their vote are seriously.— it seriously and not taking their vote are seriously. we are taking voters concerned _ vote are seriously. we are taking voters concerned really - vote are seriously. we are taking voters concerned really seriously| voters concerned really seriously which is why we are putting forward all of these policy proposals. whenever we do one of those stunts to engage people, so i showed i am not sure taking myself too seriously, i am taking the voters seriously. we have lots of policy ideas. when i was coming down the slide, we were talking about mental health. ~ , ., ., ., , health. while you are on the slide? the bbc were _ health. while you are on the slide? the bbc were covering _ health. while you are on the slide? the bbc were covering the - health. while you are on the slide? the bbc were covering the policy i health. while you are on the slide? | the bbc were covering the policy as i came down. and i was pleased that they did because it's important, the crisis of mental health and our young people. hundreds of people —— hundreds of thousands of young people waiting for therapy, counselling and support, and what we

have said is, let's make sure there is a qualified mental health professional in every primary school, every secondary school, let's fund that by asking social media giants to pay more, the additional services tax, so we have come forward with a very significant policy. and when i had the baker hat on and i was baking biscuits with school kids, we're talking about free school meals. one of the policies in your manifesto is to have an office for whistle—blowers to have more protection for people who call out bad bosses or bad practices in their workplace or anywhere else. you say it is very important, but lee castleton, who was one of the supposed masters and you were post office minister —— sub—postmasters i do the post office minister when the horizon scandal was unfolding, how can we trust them with your record to do the right thing by whistle—blowers in your garment? because the whistle—blower was key on the horizon scandal. lode was key on the horizon scandal. we

only had it in 2015 from panorama and then— only had it in 2015 from panorama and then in— only had it in 2015 from panorama and then in 2019. this whistle—blowers role from fujitsu, saying _ whistle—blowers role from fujitsu, saying that they had been telling lies, saying that they had been telling lies. he — saying that they had been telling lies, he was crucial. his question is, how lies, he was crucial. his question is. how can _ lies, he was crucial. his question is, how can people _ lies, he was crucial. his question is, how can people trust - lies, he was crucial. his question is, how can people trust you - lies, he was crucial. his question is, how can people trust you to l is, how can people trust you to protect whistle—blowers when we were post office minister, one of the people in charge of the system when concerns were being raised? i know you say you were not told you would have done something about it, but some of the campaigners feel that you did not do enough, you were listening? i you did not do enough, you were listenin: ? . . you did not do enough, you were listenin: ? ., , , you did not do enough, you were listenin. ? ., , , ., , listening? i was listening, i was one of the _ listening? i was listening, i was one of the first _ listening? i was listening, i was one of the first people - listening? i was listening, i was one of the first people to - listening? i was listening, i was one of the first people to meet | listening? iwas listening, iwas- one of the first people to meet alan bates, i took his concerns seriously and put them to the post office and i was probably the only minister who did that in that level of detail. and i would like to dojust like did that in that level of detail. and i would like to do just like the sub—postmasters were lied to do, just like the judges sub—postmasters were lied to do, just like thejudges and sub—postmasters were lied to do, just like the judges and the courts were lied to do. that is where the whistle—blower is so important. we have to change the system, laura. we

have to change the system, laura. we have seen it in the contaminated blood scandal, the hillsborough scandal, you cannot run a system if people are lied to. you need to find a way through that. we have several issues, the whistle—blower protection, and it has been liberal democrats leading on that, the duty of candour to make sure that public servants have tell the truth. there is a whole range of things i would like to see change. when i give evidence to the inquiry which i have campaigned for because i want these people to be held to account, they have imposed the most awful misery on hundreds of people, when we have that inquiry, i am looking forward to give evidence to it.— to give evidence to it. let's talk about your _ to give evidence to it. let's talk about your other _ to give evidence to it. let's talk about your other policies, - to give evidence to it. let's talk about your other policies, you | to give evidence to it. let's talk- about your other policies, you have very movingly major expense of caring for your disabled sonjohn caring for your disabled son john part caring for your disabled sonjohn part your campaign to —— very movingly made your experience of caring for your disabled sonjohn caring for your disabled son john part caring for your disabled sonjohn part of your campaign. you served as

minister between ten and 2015 which made significant cuts to carers, do you regret that now? if made significant cuts to carers, do you regret that now?— you regret that now? if you look back at the _ you regret that now? if you look back at the liberal _ you regret that now? if you look back at the liberal democrat - you regret that now? if you look - back at the liberal democrat record, we produce the care act of 2014 which came from the deal that commission and would have meant that we would have had proper care from 2015 and 60. then the conservative governing alone reneging on their promises, everyone voted for it... the question i am asking is what happened when you were in government and when you were in government, real—time spending on social care fell, there is a lot of evidence that shows that people who have real difficulties in life, struggled enormously as a result of the austerity that was enacted during that period when you were in government. do you regret how far that went? it government. do you regret how far that went? . that went? it is true there were some difficult _ that went? it is true there were some difficult decisions. - that went? it is true there were some difficult decisions. we -

that went? it is true there were - some difficult decisions. we fought the conservatives every day. we managed to get through the care act when we were in government. if that had gone on, 1 million more people would be getting care now. the conservatives did not take that forward. �* . r' conservatives did not take that forward. �* ., i. ., forward. i'm asking you about the decision to _ forward. i'm asking you about the decision to remove _ forward. i'm asking you about the decision to remove some - forward. i'm asking you about the decision to remove some funding | forward. i'm asking you about the - decision to remove some funding from people who believed very strongly that they needed it. you were part of that government, do you regret being part of those decisions? i thought the conservatives very hard. you were that upset about it, you could have resigned, saying you didn't want any part of it. you have talked very movingly and honestly about families who have relatives in care and the situations they are in, many people really struggled with the outcomes of the decisions that were made by the coalition government, do you regret being part of that? , . government, do you regret being part of that? , , ., of that? they were up tough decisions. — of that? they were up tough decisions, that's _ of that? they were up tough decisions, that's clear. - of that? they were up tough decisions, that's clear. but i of that? they were up tough i decisions, that's clear. but we of that? they were up tough - decisions, that's clear. but we were planning for the future to get much more generous care. the 2014 care act was at the heart of that. the

liberal democrats tap into that. i remember debating that in cabinet and pushing it forward. and unfortunately in 2014 —— 15, we thought the conservatives would continue it and they did not. when they were by themselves, the first budget of george osborne, he cuts the welfare spending in one year by £12 billion. we would stop that, we had bought them and we stop them cutting the welfare budget by that huge amount which course you problems and we plan for the future. we are proud that in the manifesto we have now we are taking forward those plans because improving care is right in itself, it's hugely important to help the health service, ijust don't believe you can sort out the health service and rescue it until you sort out social care. and the other thing is which no one is talking about except the liberal democrats, personally because of my personal experience, i was a young carer when my mum was terminally ill and then my grandmother who looked after me after my mum died, i looked after her a bit, then i have my disabled

son, i have a whole lifetime of caring. both my own experience and the experience of millions of other people out there, millions of people, is that the family carers are critical. and what i want to say this election is, if you do not support family carers as well as care workers, you are looking to sort this out. i am absolutely passionate we are going to do that. we have come forward with the most ambitious agenda on it and i'm really excited about it. because we have talked about it, we have had a really strong reaction from people who really think that we get it. to pay for it you are proposing £26 billion of tax rises on big business. are you not worried about the effect that that might have? let me take the effect that that might have? iet me take you through those. or the health and care plan, it is about £9 billion, two big things we are doing. basically taking the tax on banks back to what it was in 2016 under the conservatives. the conservatives have cut taxes on big

banks... ., ~' conservatives have cut taxes on big banks... ., ~ ., banks... you think that the businesses _ banks... you think that the businesses will _ banks... you think that the businesses will not - banks... you think that the businesses will not be - banks... you think that the - businesses will not be affected? the mac and the other bit the capital gains tax is going to be paid by 0.1% of the population, billionaires and multimillionaires, at the moment they pay a lower tax rate on capital gains than the rest of us on income. that is not fair. do you think that you are now to the left of the labour party?— you are now to the left of the labour party? you are now to the left of the labour pa ? ., , �* ., ~ , labour party? reality bloudek is, i am so proud _ labour party? reality bloudek is, i am so proud of _ labour party? reality bloudek is, i am so proud of our _ labour party? reality bloudek is, i am so proud of our manifesto, - labour party? reality bloudek is, i am so proud of our manifesto, and labour party? reality bloudek is, i i am so proud of our manifesto, and i think that the most —— we are liberal democrats. the more that people look at their local liberal democrats, they know that they have a local champion with a strong national boss so i hope that people backis national boss so i hope that people back is on the 4th ofjuly. lode national boss so i hope that people back is on the 4th ofjuly.— back is on the 4th ofjuly. we will see, back is on the 4th ofjuly. we will see. thank— back is on the 4th ofjuly. we will see. thank you — back is on the 4th ofjuly. we will see, thank you for _ back is on the 4th ofjuly. we will see, thank you for coming - back is on the 4th ofjuly. we will see, thank you for coming in. - back is on the 4th ofjuly. we will see, thank you for coming in. we i back is on the 4th ofjuly. we will- see, thank you for coming in. we did not ask you to have a makeover or to put on an outfit, but thank you for coming in to the studio, thank you very much for your time. it is a busy old time in politics.

the leaders debates in the past couple of weeks have given a chance to the smaller parties to show off their wares. including rhun ap iorwerth, the leader of plaid cymru. they won three welsh westminster seats in 2019 and its manifesto wants more public spending, and bigger windfall taxes on energy companies. he's with us now. it is great to have you with us. in 2021, there was a referendum on welsh independence but now you're only offering a consultation, why have you backed off that? it is there on page _ have you backed off that? it is there on page one _ have you backed off that? it 3 there on page one of our manifesto, my firm belief that i have had all my firm belief that i have had all my life that we will not reach our full potential in wales until we have do all of the levers of changing our own hands. i believe it is in the hands of the people of wales, timescale of that but interesting listening to brian cox, we clearly see the world in the same way, i believe in independence but

i'm not an isolation —— isolationist, but an internationalist, i see it about redesigning the uk, in a way that the independent nations would work closely together. if it the independent nations would work closely together.— closely together. if it is what you believe so _ closely together. if it is what you believe so strongly _ closely together. if it is what you believe so strongly why - closely together. if it is what you believe so strongly why not - closely together. if it is what you believe so strongly why not have| closely together. if it is what you i believe so strongly why not have in your manifesto a demand for independence? we hear politicians promising consultations, promising some more chat and they may be a commission and things take time so why back from your clear request or demand for a referendum?- demand for a referendum? there is clearl a demand for a referendum? there is clearly a demand _ demand for a referendum? there is clearly a demand for _ demand for a referendum? there is clearly a demand for a _ demand for a referendum? there is clearly a demand for a referendum l clearly a demand for a referendum because we want to get to that point will be ask the people of wales if they are ready to embrace this. the fascinating thing for me as someone who has believe this all of my life is the direction we have been on in recent years, a third of people, 50% of the younger age group say yes to independence. but it is about getting people curious about what it might mean and answering those questions about the challenges

faced. it was an independent commission government appointed on the constitutional future of wales and it said there were three viable options, more devolution, federalism, difficult given the size of england and the third viable one is independence. it is about getting people excited about what it is. and recognising what the challenges are. do you think you will see it in your lifetime? . do you think you will see it in your lifetime? , ., ., ,., , lifetime? there is no reason why not. do lifetime? there is no reason why not- do you _ lifetime? there is no reason why not. do you think— lifetime? there is no reason why not. do you think it _ lifetime? there is no reason why not. do you think it will - lifetime? there is no reason why not. do you think it will happen i not. do you think it will happen is a different _ not. do you think it will happen is a different question. _ not. do you think it will happen is a different question. it _ not. do you think it will happen is a different question. it is - not. do you think it will happen is a different question. it is up - a different question. it is up to the people _ a different question. it is up to the people of— a different question. it is up to the people of wales. _ a different question. it is up to the people of wales. that - a different question. it is up to l the people of wales. that is the a different question. it is up to - the people of wales. that is the key thing. i do not believe that wales' situation is the best it could be, or that the uk's situation is the best. many people watching this morning whether they are in wales or elsewhere think that something needs to happen in politics in these islands that leads in a different direction. one of the things i think could be valuable for everybody everywhere is to have that redesign, but for now in the selection it is about in this uk context making sure

that wales has that furnace that we deserve. ., ., , ., ., deserve. you have been arguing that wales is owed _ deserve. you have been arguing that wales is owed billions _ deserve. you have been arguing that wales is owed billions of— deserve. you have been arguing that wales is owed billions of pounds - wales is owed billions of pounds because of the cancellation of hsz, your price tag that is 4 billion, we asked mark harper the transport secretary if he would cough up the cash for wales and he said no, what you make of that?— you make of that? they gave it to scotland and _ you make of that? they gave it to scotland and northern _ you make of that? they gave it to scotland and northern ireland. i you make of that? they gave it to | scotland and northern ireland. the way that funding is meant to work, money is given to england then there are consequential is to wales, scotland and northern ireland. this was a project designated an england and wales put it, kpmg did a study saying it would be detrimental to the welsh economy and yet we are paying for it and when spending on hs2 goes up, spending available for rail in wales actually goes down. i don't that situation is just. it needs to be addressed, i think what we could do the £4 billion spent on connectivity wales. you we could do the £4 billion spent on connectivity wales.— we could do the £4 billion spent on connectivity wales. you want to have net zero carbon _

connectivity wales. you want to have net zero carbon emissions _ connectivity wales. you want to have net zero carbon emissions by - connectivity wales. you want to have net zero carbon emissions by 2035. l net zero carbon emissions by 2035. some viewers might think that sounds like a laudable goal back 2035 is extremely stretching. is that realistic? ~ ., ., , , realistic? we have to be setting the bar hi . h realistic? we have to be setting the bar high and — realistic? we have to be setting the bar high and four _ realistic? we have to be setting the bar high and four others _ realistic? we have to be setting the bar high and four others in - realistic? we have to be setting the bar high and four others in wales i bar high and four others in wales given that we are energy—rich, there is an economic element to this as well as policies and aspirations allowing us to reach our environmental obligations. labour in wales agree with us that this should be devolved so that we can make the most of our natural resources. uk labour say no as they say no to other elements, like the division of crime and justice, post—eu funding, labour in wales are being disempowered by uk labour and that is why we need that plaid cymru voice. . ., ., i. is why we need that plaid cymru voice. . ., ., y., ., is why we need that plaid cymru voice. . ., ., i. ., , voice. nice to have you 'oining us on sunday. — voice. nice to have you 'oining us on sunday, thanki voice. nice to have you 'oining us on sunday, thank you i voice. nice to have youjoining us on sunday, thank you for - voice. nice to have youjoining us on sunday, thank you for coming | voice. nice to have you joining us i on sunday, thank you for coming in. as we go along we've been checking the politicians' facts. in fact we do it every week of the year. for labour wes streeting

claimed that the conservatives policies would mean more kids going up policies would mean more kids going up £4800. that figure is not reliable and is based on a series of questionable assumptions about how much tory policies would cost and how they would fund them and it is stretched over five years rather than being an annualfigure. for the tories mark harper said they had reduced the number of people coming to the uk illegally by one third over the last year. it is true that the number of people arriving on small boats fell by one third in 2023. but, overthe past 12 small boats fell by one third in 2023. but, over the past 12 months, the fall has been smaller than that and importantly, so far this year, the number of arrivals is up and it is higher than it has ever been. now, then. the general election is not the only big contest going on this month. with england playing serbia tonight in their first euro's match, we've been wondering what is it with politicians and football? have a look at this.

match of the day theme. yes, andy burnham, that was a somewhat younger andy burnham in that montage. sometimes it is genuine. keir starmer is a proper, german football fan, their argument about that, but sometimes it is a bit cringe. it about that, but sometimes it is a bit crin . e. . about that, but sometimes it is a bit crinue. , ., about that, but sometimes it is a bit crinue. , . bit cringe. it is always the so -o - ular bit cringe. it is always the so popular and _ bit cringe. it is always the so popular and politicians - bit cringe. it is always the so i popular and politicians gravitate towards things that are popular. from my point of view, there is no

posturing when you support everton! this is a time when it is hard at work fighting the unjust points deductions from the premier league. for me, yes, it is kind of a real honour, an everton season ticket holder. i guess that it is because what brings the nation alive. i think rishi sunak will regret the timing of this election. every time there was a knock on the door when there was a knock on the door when there is a big match, people will be saying at pau— saying at pau there are big games cominu saying at pau there are big games coming up. _ saying at pau there are big games coming up. this— saying at pau there are big games coming up, this might _ saying at pau there are big games coming up, this might be - saying at pau there are big games coming up, this might be a - saying at pau there are big games| coming up, this might be a quieter week in terms of the campaign. no we have a common bond, we were in parliament together. my great grandfather was one of the founders of everton football club. find i of everton football club. and i actually had — of everton football club. and i actually had to _ of everton football club. and i actually had to become - of everton football club. and i | actually had to become culture secretary and visit everton to get it because — secretary and visit everton to get it because we had plenty promises from andy — it because we had plenty promises from andy. but andy is right. you

are either. — from andy. but andy is right. you are either, you come from places like andy— are either, you come from places like andy and i do where football is a religion _ like andy and i do where football is a religion or you would be a politician who tries to fake this and look— politician who tries to fake this and look foolish when you don't. it is a game — and look foolish when you don't. it is a game of— and look foolish when you don't. it is a game of two halves.— is a game of two halves. brian, i have to ask. _ is a game of two halves. brian, i have to ask, scotland _ is a game of two halves. brian, i have to ask, scotland had - is a game of two halves. brian, i have to ask, scotland had a i is a game of two halves. brian, i | have to ask, scotland had a night that was very regrettable and sad. if scotland get knocked out will you support england? i if scotland get knocked out will you support england?— support england? i think gareth southuate support england? i think gareth southgate has _ support england? i think gareth southgate has done _ support england? i think gareth southgate has done a _ support england? i think gareth southgate has done a great i support england? i think gareth \ southgate has done a great job. support england? i think gareth - southgate has done a great job. i'm southgate has done a greatjob. i'm really— southgate has done a greatjob. i'm really keen — southgate has done a greatjob. i'm really keen it — southgate has done a greatjob. i'm really keen. it is _ southgate has done a greatjob. i'm really keen. it is the _ southgate has done a greatjob. i'm really keen. it is the one _ southgate has done a greatjob. i'm really keen. it is the one thing - really keen. it is the one thing that_ really keen. it is the one thing that unifies _ really keen. it is the one thing that unifies assess _ really keen. it is the one thing that unifies assess football. i really keen. it is the one thing. that unifies assess football. we really keen. it is the one thing - that unifies assess football. we all love the _ that unifies assess football. we all love the football. _ that unifies assess football. we all love the football. it _ that unifies assess football. we all love the football. it is _ that unifies assess football. we all love the football. it is the - that unifies assess football. we all love the football. it is the great. love the football. it is the great unifying — love the football. it is the great unifying factor. _ love the football. it is the great unifying factor. politics - love the football. it is the great unifying factor. politics would . love the football. it is the greatl unifying factor. politics would be love the football. it is the great i unifying factor. politics would be a lot easier— unifying factor. politics would be a lot easier if— unifying factor. politics would be a lot easier if we _ unifying factor. politics would be a lot easier if we just _ unifying factor. politics would be a lot easier if we just followed - unifying factor. politics would be aj lot easier if we just followed these teams _ lot easier if we just followed these teams. iiti— lot easier if we 'ust followed these teams. . ., , , . teams. of course, the first england match of the _ teams. of course, the first england match of the euros _ teams. of course, the first england match of the euros is _ teams. of course, the first england match of the euros is tonight. - teams. of course, the first england match of the euros is tonight. a - match of the euros is tonight. a final word from the viewers. david and doncaster has written in to say, how can anyone believe that with the current economic situation tax cuts

are possible or realistic? william says 15 years to treat a manifesto for the people and labour are still trying to come up with ideas. sue said the waffle from each and every party about their manifesto is painful to listen to, but humour is paramount in this election. i think we have had some of that from our shrinking violets on the panel! less than three weeks to go until the day when millions of us have the chance to grab a stubby pencil and cast your ballot. postal ballots have started to land on some doormats around the country. from now on as each day dawns, the fight between the parties is only going to become more and more intense. because it matters so much. thanks to all my guests, most of all, thank you to you for watching. and i'll look fowrard to seeing you next sunday, same time, same place.

live from london, this is bbc news. let's get all the action now from the euros. the defending champions italy had a hard—earned 2—1victory over albania. the albanians caused an early shock, making a bit of history by scoring the fastest ever goal in the tournament's history, just 23 seconds into the game. the underdogs had only scored one major tournament goal before saturday. italy were quick to equalise ten minutes later, and followed it up shortly after with a second goal. spain made thier mark with an impressive 3—0 win over croatia in berlin, while switzerland beat hungary 3—1 in cologne. england here will be taking on serbia in gelsenkirchen. we are nsn, close to gelsenkirchen, a lot of

serbia and england fans have been