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naesen germany have shot a man they say was armed with an axe like object and a molotov cocktailjust before hamburg staged its first game of euro 2024 —— police in germany. israel has said it will hold a daily pause of activity along a road in southern gaza to allow more humanitarian aid to enter but insists there is no ceasefire and not in rafah. a peace summit on ukraine closes, with the final declaration committing to ukraine's territorial integrity. recognising all parties are needed to end the war. russia was not invited. prince george, princess charlotte and prince louis posted their first social media post, a tribute to their dad on father's
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day. the shadow health secretary wes streeting has said he would have liked labour to have been more ambitious in its plans for social care in its election manifesto. in an interview this morning, he acknowledged that successive governments of all parties had failed to deal with the problems in the sector. a leading health think tank warned that the nhs is facing its tightest spending for decades and called on all the main parties to be more transparent about that. hannah miller reports. good morning, how are we doing? keir starmer campaigning this weekend, claiming he will get to the nhs back on its feet. but that will require more ambitious treatment, says a leading health think tank as it warns both the conservatives and labour that their current manifesto commitments amount to the tightest spending plans in nhs history. with a lack of social care support, one of the key reasons the nhs is struggling, today labour had to defend why it has not come up
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with a clearer plan for reform. you're still offering people a vague "we'll talk about it, we maybe fix it in the long—term". i think being honest with people that building a national care service is work that is a decade in the making. that is honest and that is where the credibility comes from. i make no bones about the fact of course on social care i would have wanted the manifesto to be more ambitious, but to get policies in the manifesto, you had to run the gauntlet of answering two fundamental questions — can we keep this promise? can the country afford this promise? the conservatives jumped on that to try to claim labour would end up spending more of your money. but their plan to limit social care costs to a maximum of £86,000 has been repeatedly delayed and faces questions about its funding. i think he has let the cat out of the bag a bit about labour's plans. he confirmed both on your show and on one he did earlier that their manifesto was not actually the whole story —
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it was not actually a programme for government, it was to get them through the election campaign. he confirmed that there are more spending promises to come, and that can mean only one thing — it means more taxes. both labour and the conservatives are signed up to a plan to bring in thousands more staff to the nhs, which would require funding to increase significantly to almost £200 billion by 2028. but this is the level of funding they've allocated in their manifestos — around £20 billion less. the nuffield trust says it amounts to tougher spending plans than even during austerity. the liberal democrats have pledged very slightly more, but still way below what is required. the liberal democrat figure does not include their plans for free personal care for those who need it. if you do not support the family carers, as well as the care workers, you are not going to sort this out. and i am absolutely passionate that we will do that. we have come forward with probably
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the most ambitious agenda on it and i'm really excited about it. and because we have talked about it, we have had a really strong reaction from people. politicians from all parties have said they need to work together to address the social care challenge. the question is who voters trust more and whether anyone will deliver. hannah miller, bbc news. the liberal democrats are gaining some ground hoping to grab conservative seats as they promise free personal care for the elderly and more gps and joining the eu single market. but it's the leader ed davey�*s photo ops that have really been getting attention. he's been speaking to laura kuenssberg. in terms of the things we've been doing, the stunts, actually, the real issue is engaging people, and they have done. and one of the reasons i'm so pleased to be on your programme is to talk about what liberal democrats are standing for. we're standing for health and care. we put that at the centre of our manifesto. we're talking about the cost of living, and that's not coming up enough. people are really struggling out there. and we're talking
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about the environment. we're the ones campaigning against the sewage scandal, for example. and i'm determined in all the seats that we can win across the blue wall against many conservatives in the west country and so many other places, people hear about what the democrats stand for from our local champions, because we could make real gains at this election. and we will talk about those policies. and you've already actually had wes streeting say your ideas on social care are good ones, and we will come to that. but isn't there a risk, though? we heard it from lee castleton. we have had emails from some other viewers about this that people watch what you're doing and they think you're not really taking this seriously and perhaps you're not taking them seriously. well, we're taking the voters�* concerns really seriously. that's why we've been putting forward all these policy proposals, and whenever we do one of those stunts to engage people so i show that i'm not taking myself too seriously, i'm taking the voters seriously. we've had lots of policy ideas. so when i was coming down that slide, we were talking about mental health.
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while you were on the slide, talking about mental health? well, actually, the bbc were covering our policy as i came down and i was pleased that they did, because it's really important we've got a crisis, the mental health of our young people. we've got hundreds of thousands of young people waiting for therapies, waiting for counselling, waiting for support. and what we've said is let's make sure there's a qualified mental health professional in every primary school and every secondary school. let's fund that by asking the social media giants to pay more in digital services tax. and so we've come forward with a very, very significant policy. and, you know, when i had the baker's hat on and i was baking biscuits with schoolkids, but we're talking about free school meals. and one of the policies in your manifesto is to have an office for whistle—blowers, to have much more protection for people who call out bad bosses or bad practices in their workplace or wherever else. yes, very important. and you say there it's very important. but lee castleton, who was one of those sub—postmasters and you were a post office minister
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at a time when some of the horizon scandal was unfolding, he wants to know, how can we trust anyone with your record on the post office scandal to do the right thing by whistle—blowers in government? well, because the whistle—blower was key in the horizon scandal, we really only heard it in the panorama programme by bbc in 2015, quite a few years after i left office, and then in 2019 in the high court case, and that whistle—blower from fujitsu and inside fujitsu said actually the post office have been telling lies to subpostmasters, to ministers, to courts and judges. that whistle—blower was crucial, as the itv drama on alan bates showed. his question is how could people trust you to protect whistle—blowers when you were post office minister, one of the people who was in charge of the system when concerns were already being raised? now i know you say you weren't told or you would have done something about it, but some of the campaigners feel that you didn't do enough, that you weren't listening. well, i was listening. actually, i was the first minister to meet alan bates, and i took his issues really seriously.
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in the end. well, the first minister to meet him, and i put his to the post office, and i think i was the only minister who did that in that level of detail. and i was lied to just like the subpostmasters were lied to, just like thejudges and the courts were lied to. and that's why the whistle—blower is so important. we have to change the system. you know, laura, we've seen it in the contaminated blood scandal. we've seen it in the hillsborough scandal. you know, you can't run a system if people are lied to. you know, you need to find a way through that. so we've got several issues, actually — the whistle—blower protection and it's been liberal democrats leading on that, the duty of candour to make sure that public servants have to tell the truth. and there's a whole range of things that i'd like to see changed. and when i give evidence to the inquiry, which i've campaigned for, because i want these people to be held to account, they've imposed the most awful misery on hundreds of people, when we have that inquiry, i'm looking forward to giving evidence to it. let's talk about some of your other policies, then, aand you have very movingly
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made your experience of caring for your disabled son, john, part of your campaign to give more support to carers and really free adult social care was the centrepiece really of your manifesto, wasn't it? but you also served as a minister during the coalition government between 2010 and 2015. it made significant cuts to the support for people in those kinds of situations. do you regret that now? well, actually, if you look back at that record, the liberal democrat record with great liberal democrat ministers, we produced the care act of 2014 that came from the dilnot commission, and it would have meant that we'd have had proper care from 2015, 2016. what happened then? the conservatives alone reneged on their promises, even though there have been a legislation in parliament which everyone have voted for. the question i'm asking is about what happened when you were in government, not what happened after. and when you were in government, real term spending on social care fell. there's a lot of evidence that shows that people who have real difficulties in life struggled enormously as a result
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of the austerity that was enacted during that period when you were in government. do you regret how far it went? well, it's true there were some difficult decisions. we fought the conservatives every day. we managed to get through the care act in when we were in government and if that had gone on, 1 million more people would be getting care now. but the conservatives didn't take that forward. and asking about the decision to remove some funding from people who believe very strongly that they needed it. you were part of that government. do you regret being part of those decisions? i fought the conservatives very hard. you were part of it. you could have resigned, said, "i don't want any part of this".
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i'm asking a straightforward question, you've talked very movingly and i think very honestly about the situation that families where they have relatives who need care find themselves in. many people really struggled with the outcomes of those decisions that were made by the coalition government. do you regret being part of that? well, there were tough decisions, that's really clear. but what we were doing was planning for the future to get much more generous care. and the 2014 care act was at the heart of that and liberal democrats championed that. i remember debating it in cabinet and pushing that forward. and unfortunately, in 2015 we thought the conservatives would continue that and they didn't, and look what they did after we left office and they were by themselves — the first budget of george osborne, he cut the welfare spending in one year by £12 billion. now, we had stopped that, we had fought them and we'd stopped them cutting the welfare budget by that huge amount, which really caused huge problems. and we'd planned for the future. and i'm really proud that actually in our manifesto now we're taking forward some of those plans, both because improving care is right in itself, it's hugely important to help the health service. ijust don't believe you can sort out the health service and rescue
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it unless you sort out social care. and here's the other thing which no—one is talking about except for the liberal democrats, and it's partly because of my personal experience and i was a young carer when my mum was terminally ill. then when my grandmother, who looked after me after my mum died, i looked after her a bit and then i have my disabled son, so i've got a whole lifetime of caring and both my own experience and the experience of millions of people out there, millions of people, is that the family carers are critical. and what i want to say at this election is if you don't support the family carers as well as the care workers, you're not going to sort this out. and i am absolutely passion that we're going to do that. we've come forward with probably the most ambitious agenda on it. i'm really excited about it. and you know, because we've talked about it, we've had a really strong reaction from people who really think that we get who really think that we get it. and to pay for it you're proposing more than £26 billion of tax rises on big business. are you not worried about the effect that that might have? well, let me take you through those.
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0n the health and care plan, it's about £9 billion. and there are two big things that we're doing for that. we're basically taking the tax on banks back to what it was in 2016 under the conservatives. the conservatives have cut taxes on their big banks. you think those businesses can take it? we're short of time. you think the business won't be affected? they took it in 2016. and the other bit, the capital gains tax is going to be paid by the 0.10, 0.1% of the population who basically the billionaires are multimillionaires because at the moment they're paying a lower tax rate on their capital gains than the rest of us on our income. that's not fair. do you think you're now to the left of the labour party to the left of the labour party? we're the liberal democrats. and i'm so proud of our manifesto. we think we can beat lots of conservatives, some snp. and i think the more people look at our manifesto on health and care,
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on ending the sewage scandal and the cost of living, the more they look at their local liberal democrat, they know they get a local champion with a big, strong national voice. so i hope people back us on 4th ofjuly. the televised leaders debates in the past couple of weeks have given a chance to the leaders of some of the smaller parties to flash their wares, rhun ap iorwerth, the leader of plaid cymru. his party has three out of forty welsh westminster seats and its manifesto wants more public spending, and bigger windfall taxes on energy companies. he's been speaking to laura kuennsberg. in 2021, you stood for a referendum on welsh independence, but now you're only offering a consultation. so why have you backed off that haven't backed off at all? i was listening to brian cox speaking earlier. it's right there on page one of our manifesto. you're my firm belief that i've had all my life that wales won't reach its potential until we have all those levers of change in our own hands. i believe it's in the hands of the people of wales what the timescale is for that. but interestingly, listening to brian cox, he was talking...
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we clearly see the world in the same way. i believe in independence, but i'm not an isolationist in any way. i'm an internationalist and i see welsh independence as part of the redesigning of the uk, where as independent nations then would work very, very closely together. but this isn't an independence election. this is about getting fair play for wales in the here and now. but it's what you believe so strongly, though, why not have in your manifesto actually a demand for a referendum? because a consultation, we hear it often from politicians in the studio on sunday mornings, promising a consultation is promising some more chat and then maybe a commission and then things take time. why back off from your clear request, demand perhaps, for a referendum again? again, well, there is clearly a demand implicit for a referendum, because we want to get to that point where we ask the people of wales if they are ready to embrace this. the fascinating thing for me as somebody who's believed this all my life is the direction that we've been on in recent years. we're now regularly a third of people, 50% of the younger age group say yes to independence, but it's about getting more people curious in what it might mean and answering those questions about the challenges that we face.
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there was an independent commission recently, government appointed, on the constitutional future of wales that said there are three viable options for us more devolution, perhaps federalism — bit difficult, i think, given the size of england. and the third viable one is independence, so it's viable, we can do it. it's about getting people excited about what it is. and that of course means recognising what the challenges are too. do you think you'll see it in your lifetime? there's no reason why not. that wasn't my question. do you think it will happen is a different question. there's no reason why not. and it can. and it's up to the people of wales. that's the key thing here. i don't believe that wales�* situation now is the best it could be. i don't think the uk's situation now is the best it could be. i think many people watching this, this morning, whether they're in wales or elsewhere, thinks that something needs to happen in politics in these islands that leads in a different direction. one of the things that i think could be very valuable for everybody, wherever they are, is to have that redesign. but for now, in this election, it's about in this uk context making sure that wales has that fairness
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that we deserve. you have been arguing that wales is old because hs2 was cancelled. we asked the transport secretary if he would pony up cash and he said no, that you run. would pony up cash and he said no, that you run-— would pony up cash and he said no, that you rum— that you run. they give it to scotland, — that you run. they give it to scotland, and _ that you run. they give it to scotland, and northern - that you run. they give it to - scotland, and northern ireland. the way funding is meant to work, if money is given to england, there are consequentials to wales, scotland and northern ireland. this is a project, and england and wales project, and england and wales project, even though there is not a centimetre of track in wales. kpmg said it would be detrimental to the welsh economy, yet we are paying for it. spending on h —— as spending on hs2 goes up, spending in wales goes down. i do not think that is a just situation also needs to be addressed and imagine what we could do with that for a bleep account for connectivity prevails. in your manifesto — connectivity prevails. in your manifesto you _ connectivity prevails. in your manifesto you say _ connectivity prevails. in your manifesto you say you - connectivity prevails. in your - manifesto you say you won't have net zero carbon emissions by 2025 ——
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2035, but that is extremely stretching. is it is? i 2035, but that is extremely stretching. is it is?- 2035, but that is extremely stretching. is it is? i think we have stretching. is it is? ithink we have to be — stretching. is it is? ithink we have to be setting _ stretching. is it is? ithink we have to be setting the - stretching. is it is? ithink we have to be setting the bar - stretching. is it is? i think we - have to be setting the bar high. for us in wales in particular, given that we are energy rich, there is an economic element to this as well as policies and aspirations that allow us to reach our environmental obligations. now, labour in wales agree with those that the crown estate should be devolved so we can make the most of our natural resources. you labour say no, just as they say no to other elements. labour in wales are being this powered by uk labour, that is why we need at the plaid cymru voice. 0ur pollsterjohn curtice tells us in 60 seconds how the overall picture is looking for the main parties on the polls. 0ne poll this week stole the headlines. a yougov poll put reform one point ahead of the conservatives. but no other poll reported the same
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finding, though every poll has reported a fall in the conservative support and nearly all, a narrowing of the conservative lead over reform. so what last week was an average eight point conservative lead over reform has now halved to just four points. and standing atjust 20%, conservative support is now at its lowest ever in british polling history. mr sunak, whose own personal ratings have clearly fallen, must be beginning to doubt his decision to call the election early. not that labour have had it their own way. like the conservatives, their support is also down by two points. labour are being challenged by the greens, still on 6%, and the liberal democrats, whose vote, up in every poll this week, now stands at 12%.
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john curtice, r pulls eur. —— our polls guru. an update, the owner of a cow hit by the police on thursday night in surrey told the police it was a sorry sight. rab night in surrey told the police it was a sorry sight.— night in surrey told the police it was a sorry sight. rob who had a farmstead. _ was a sorry sight. rob who had a farmstead, watching _ was a sorry sight. rob who had a farmstead, watching the - was a sorry sight. rob who had a | farmstead, watching the footage, was a sorry sight. rob who had a - farmstead, watching the footage, you can see some here, of the incident was painful viewing and it should have been cancelled different manner. —— handled. the cow had escaped on friday and was later hit twice by a police car on raleigh roadin twice by a police car on raleigh road in filton later that evening. england's footballers are making final preparations for their first match at euro 24 in germany this evening, against serbia. the manager, gareth southgate, has said his players will need to be "exceptional" to progress beyond the group stage. john watson reports from essen where thousands of england fans have gathered.
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a quiet morning for fans, kick—starting the day in essen as england prepare to open their tournament. we were in the irish bars and then went over to the fan park for one of the games, which was good. there were a lot of spanish and croatians there for the game, as well, so a really good atmosphere. it has been friendly, so far, but there has been criticism of some english fans for anti—german chanting ahead of the game. someone tried to start. we were like, come on, boys. like, we have been told — like just don't do it, there are so many more chants to have rather than that one. the match has been classed as high risk by uefa. 40,000 england fans are expected here and up to 10,000 serbian supporters to cheer on their team. manager gareth southgate and his squad have left their training base to head to gelsenkirchen, where they have played before, losing to portugal in the quarterfinals of the world cup 18 years ago. but this is a very different england team — among the favourites to lift the title this time. in past tournaments we have done a lot of things well and we have
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made the country proud and we have had good tournaments, but, ultimately, we are here to win it and there will be nothing better for us and the nation itself if we do that. gareth southgate has said his side will need to be exceptional to get out of the group. tournament football is crazy, so we need everything to go our way. there are going to be hard times where we all need to stay together and dig deep. and if all that comes together, they have a great chance. there is a huge amount of belief amongst the players and the fans. their first test begins tonight. when you think of blackpool, you probably see roller—coasters, fish and chips, sticks of rock — and of course blackpool tower — but it's also been a spiritual home for generations of dance lovers. over the next month, the seaside town is becoming a self—proclaimed �*capital of dance' with pop—up performances, classes, workshops and shows.
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phil cunliffe went to find out more. welcome to showtown for the launch of the uk's capital of dance! maybe it's the lancashire sea air or the rhythm of the tide — blackpool and dancing go hand in hand. the title uk's capital of dance is one that organisers of the new festival have bestowed on themselves, but perhaps with good reason. blackpool's got an unrivalled heritage in dance, from the days of the victorian dance trains used that to bring hundreds of people to dance on central pier, through to the big band era, emperor's ballroom, the tower ballroom, then we had the heyday of variety. disco, northern soul, superclubs and now we have strictly. where else could you possibly launch a festival like this? the idea of the festival is to create a dance and movement version of the edinburgh fringe across multiple locations, inside and outdoors. there'll be dozens of live shows, community events and street dancing, like this. we're going to be doing some
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performances, workshops, djing. an opportunity for people to get involved and learn a little bit more about breakdance, because that's in the olympics now, so people are really interested in seeing what the culture's all about. so we're going to bring that element to it and a really good vibe. music: swan lake. or if you prefer a more chilled—out vibe, there are taster classes for those who want to give ballet a go. the festival aims to cater for people of all ages. archive: up north, they make - for blackpool, and blackpool's made for a champion time, whatever the weather. blackpool attracts more than 20 million visitors a year. there are already dozens of free events, so is there room in the calendar for something else? the thing that a month—long festival brings is a reason stay over, so it's notjust arriving in, engaging and then going back home again — come over, come and stay with us, come and experience everything else that we've got to offer in blackpool, but come because of dance. we are the uk's most popular seaside resort but we need to keep giving
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people reasons to come. of course, the resort has never taken itself too seriously. this cabaret bar featuring burlesque drag shows is running a drag queen workshop. people come and theyjust can't believe it when they see how professional the dance is. and blackpool's so associated with it, i always say it's like the las vegas of dance. it's like las vegas on heat, really, it's brilliant. i've never had reason to worry about dancing in high heels but i know someone who has — cece d'vyne from funny girls. hello. hello, phil. you're going to be giving tips on how to dance in these as part of the festival, aren't you? i am, yes. i'm going to be doing a class on 29thjune, which will be a full class for a range of abilities and ages, with our dancing in heels class. i'm just waiting for you to pop on a leotard, phil, and we'll be cracking on for our first lesson today. you might have to wait a long time for that, i'm afraid! ready? five, six, seven, eight — walk, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight.
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how was that? you're a natural! marks out of ten? three. three! i'll take that, to be honest. so the invitation is there to pull on your dancing shoes, even if, like me, you've got two left feet. phil cunliffe, bbc news. you're a natural, you're a natural! there is none that we end this hour. —— it is on that. now it's time for a look at the weather with elizabeth rizzini. hello there, good afternoon. for many of us, it is a bit drier and a little warmer than it was yesterday. the wind not quite so strong towards the south. still some more showers around, mostly out towards the east. some of those heavy and thundery, such as this beautiful cumulonimbus cloud, as captured by weather watcher in suffolk. but lots of sunny spells, too. still the chance of some heavy, persistent rain towards the north. and that band of rain has been sinking southwards from northern central scotland into southern scotland and northern england,
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taking a lot of cloud with it as we head through the afternoon. brightening up somewhat across northern central areas of scotland, some showers, remaining rather cloudy, though, across northern ireland. sunshine and showers for the rest of england and wales. most of those showers out towards the east tending to be drier towards the south. we could see highs here of 20 celsius. but along with the best of the sunshine, of course, today comes some high or very high pollen levels. as we head through this evening and overnight, that band of cloud and showery rain continues to weaken. it pushes further southwards, some clear skies towards the north of that. showers for eastern scotland, cloudy for northern ireland, clear spells, too, towards the south of that band of cloud. and where we see the clearer skies, temperatures are likely to drop back into single figures, so locally, quite a chilly start to the day tomorrow. and then on monday, our area of low pressure is pulling out into the north sea. still some showers for eastern areas of scotland down through north—east england too. in fact, the chance of an isolated shower almost anywhere. remaining cloudy across northern ireland.
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temperatures where we see the best of the sunshine and again, it should be largely dry out towards the south of england, could get into the low 20s celsius. but it's across southeast england where we could start the day on tuesday with some outbreaks of rain and some more cloud that will gradually clear away again. some showers developing, particularly towards eastern areas as we head through the afternoon on tuesday. it's really quite cold across the north of scotland with quite a brisk northerly wind blowing here. so temperatures remaining on the cool side, still the low 20s towards the south. and then high pressure starts to build in from the southwest, from the azores as we head through the middle of the week. always the threat of a bit of rain out towards the southeast and perhaps a bit more cloud here. and then another weather front sinks down from the northwest later, but generally, for most, a bit drier and a little warmer, so a bit more like summer. bye— bye.
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police in hamburg in germany have shot and severely injured a person who was wielding an axe and head of today's euro 2024 match. —— ahead of today's euro 2024 match. —— ahead of today's euro 2024 match. a peace summit on ukraine closes with the final declaration committing to ukraine's territorial integrity. israel announces an hour—long pause in military activity along a road in southern gaza but not in the city of rafah. and princes george and louis, and princess charlotte pay a father's day tribute to prince william in a post on social media. hello, i'm rajini vaidyanathan. police in the german city of hamburg have shot and severely injured a person who threatened them with an axe near a fan zone for dutch supporters ahead of today's euro 2024 match between poland and the netherlands. these pictures show a man wielding an axe, being confronted by police. they use pepper spray, and then fire several shots.

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